Democratic National Convention Thread

[ElNono]

Didn't watch, but I suspect there was nothing about the platform, and the plans for combating covid if he's elected?

[ChumpDumper]

You already been kill shot; so, you're derpsperately making it about me.:lmao thief derp declares victory after using dead babies as a semen shield.

[hater]

Didn't watch, but I suspect there was nothing about the platform, and the plans for combating covid if he's elected?

:lmao unless they do forced quarantines or shutdown regions there is no plan but to pretend to care and pray for a vaccine or immunity.

And if they actually promise those they might as well throw the election as no american will vote for that :lmao

We are fucked and unfuckable

[ChumpDumper]

I told you the other day that in my multiple encounters with law enforcement during this "pandemic" I have not worn a mask.

Geez, you're a faggot.:lmao that's not a store.

Do you wear a mask to the store like a good boy?

Yes or no.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao thief derp declares victory after using dead babies as a semen shield.

You thiefed derp in the first place.

:lmao Cherp pretending he has high ground.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao that's not a store.

Do you wear a mask to the store like a good boy?

Yes or no.

Don't act like you would ever have the balls to do civil disobedience like I've done.

You're a beta NPC, derp.

[ChumpDumper]

You thiefed derp in the first place.I never pretended I coined the term and will give credit to whomever started it.

Will you give credit to the person who coined "derpsperate" and "derpnial" to describe you?

Yes or no.

[ChumpDumper]

Don't act like you would ever have the balls to do civil disobedience like I've done.

You're a beta NPC, derp.omega NPC derp folds

[ducks]

Promising not to kill another 180k americans is a good start tbqh

Oh biden is stoping abortion ?
Or the gang killings
You know the black on blacks

[ChumpDumper]

Oh biden is stoping abortion ?
Or the gang killings
You know the black on blacksTrump didn't do shit to stop either of them so don't try to act like you care now.

[Spurtacular]

I never pretended I coined the term and will give credit to whomever started it.

Will you give credit to the person who coined "derpsperate" and "derpnial" to describe you?

Yes or no.

You doing derivatives of insults is something you saw me do already.

You want credit for mirroring my tactics. :lmao

[ducks]

https://twitter.com/CronkiteSays/status/1295149143342698504?s=20

[ducks]

Bill Scher BILLscher
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Michael Moore, just now on MSNBC, said he was “shocked” that Biden didn’t “swing to the right” and pick Susan Rice, and instead “swung to the left” and picked Kamala Harris.

[Spurtacular]

omega NPC derp folds


Don't act like you would ever have the balls to do civil disobedience like I've done.

[Spurtacular]

Bill Scher BILL (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=13753)scher
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Michael Moore, just now on MSNBC, said he was “shocked” that Biden didn’t “swing to the right” and pick Susan Rice, and instead “swung to the left” and picked Kamala Harris.

Sad when the party is too left for Michael Moore. :lmao

[ElNono]

:lmao unless they do forced quarantines or shutdown regions there is no plan but to pretend to care and pray for a vaccine or immunity.

And if they actually promise those they might as well throw the election as no american will vote for that :lmao

We are fucked and unfuckable

At least promising coordination for testing and contact tracing between states and the federal government would be a good start, tbh...

[Spurtacular]

:lmao unless they do forced quarantines or shutdown regions there is no plan but to pretend to care and pray for a vaccine or immunity.

And if they actually promise those they might as well throw the election as no american will vote for that :lmao

We are fucked and unfuckable

He's back to being up chumpettes' buttholes already.

TheGreatYacht

[ChumpDumper]

You doing derivatives of insults is something you saw me do already.

You want credit for mirroring my tactics. :lmaoWill you give credit to the person who coined "derpsperate" and "derpnial" to describe you?

Yes or no.

[ChumpDumper]

:cryGive examples of your civil disobedience.

[ducks]

Hey
@NYGovCuomo
did Donald Trump make you keep schools open as long as you did? Did Trump make you keep the subways open w/o cleaning them? Did Trump make you say "fear is worse than the virus" 3/19? Did he tell you to force nursing homes to accept Covid patients 3/25?

[Spurtacular]

Give examples of your civil disobedience.

Already did. Stop leg humping.

[clambake]

No woman ever derp

[clambake]

No chance at ever having a woman derp

[ChumpDumper]

Already did. Stop leg humping.derp folds

You haven't done shit, tough guy.:lol

[Spurtacular]

derp folds

You haven't done shit, tough guy.:lol

I did civil disobedience against law enforcement.

You can't even acknowledge what I've said multiple times now.

:lmao Your fake narrative went to shit is why.

[ChumpDumper]

I did civil disobedience against law enforcement. :lol were you outside?

[Spurtacular]

https://i.insider.com/5f3b39b0650894001d07205f?width=1100&format=jpeg&auto=webp

Fat ass senior citizen dies.
Headliner whore: Trump's a murderer.

Democrats are pathetic pieces of shit.

[FrostKing]

So how's the party?

[Spurtacular]

This whore really played up her dad's diabetes / old age death.

https://www.tampabay.com/resizer/PdjjLfBVeTOvCwbIjGqskKZVLIY=/1140x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/tbt/PIBXQ43SGZBUNCZBBAFZF5J2WI.jpg

[ElNono]

This whore really played up her dad's diabetes / old age death.

https://www.tampabay.com/resizer/PdjjLfBVeTOvCwbIjGqskKZVLIY=/1140x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/tbt/PIBXQ43SGZBUNCZBBAFZF5J2WI.jpg

Now multiply by 160,000

[Spurtacular]

Now multiply by 160,000

And we get deaths like we do any other year.

[ElNono]

And we get deaths like we do any other year.

+160,000

[Spurtacular]

+160,000

Do you have 'actual deaths' stats that back that up?

[ElNono]

Do you have 'actual deaths' stats that back that up?

Plenty of sources, which you know already:

https://www.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map

Now sure why you keep trying to die on this hill, tbh... it is what it is...

[FrostKing]

Plenty of sources, which you know already:

https://www.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map

Now sure why you keep trying to die on this hill, tbh... it is what it is...
What is 160K in reference to?

[Spurtacular]

Plenty of sources, which you know already:

https://www.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map

Now sure why you keep trying to die on this hill, tbh... it is what it is...

I'm not disputing that there are fake numbers out there FFS.

Do you have any stats to show the overall actual death rate is rising?

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not disputing that there are fake numbers out there FFS.

Do you have any stats to show the overall actual death rate is rising?Knock yourself out then come back with your derpnial.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

[FrostKing]

Knock yourself out then come back with your derpnial.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
Hello friend. All is well? Boner before November, good for you.

[ChumpDumper]

Hello friend. All is well? Boner before November, good for you.I already predicted a Trump win. I wish he hadn't been such a failure but there he is.

[Spurtacular]

Knock yourself out then come back with your derpnial.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

I already went over how that's smoke and mirrors math in Midnight Gulp's cry thread(s).

[ChumpDumper]

I already went over how that's smoke and mirrors math in Midnight Gulp's cry thread(s).OK, post your real numbers and "go over" how they're really the really real numbers.

[FrostKing]

I already predicted a Trump win. I wish he hadn't been such a failure but there he is.
I always believed in you. Recently led by understandable frustration. We are on the same side, you know.

[ChumpDumper]

I always believed in you. Recently led by understandable frustration. We are on the same side, you know.No.

[Will Hunting]

So what triggered Derps meltdown over the last 4 pages? Did seeing Black First Lady make him go crazy?

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/hsBq57Z/ch032-018-DHP-v001-58bae0515f9b58af5ccf84df.jpg

Today's white democrat

[ducks]

The Biden mistake within the mistake is his silence on the crime and violence epidemic. The fact that nearly all these cities are run by Democrats puts a special obligation on Biden and his party to find solutions.



But you can’t solve a problem you don’t acknowledge, and the failure to address the urban bloodshed is a major miss.

If that pattern continues all week, Dems will have given Trump a major opening. Count on him hammer it home until November.

[Spurs Homer]

The Biden mistake within the mistake is his silence on the crime and violence epidemic. The fact that nearly all these cities are run by Democrats puts a special obligation on Biden and his party to find solutions.



But you can’t solve a problem you don’t acknowledge, and the failure to address the urban bloodshed is a major miss.

If that pattern continues all week, Dems will have given Trump a major opening. Count on him hammer it home until November.


happening under trumps watch

country falling apart= failed leadership

right now

[Ef-man]

happening under trumps watch

country falling apart= failed leadership

right now

But Hillary’s emails, the dearh panels, my guns, Biden can hurt God, my porn stars?

[ducks]

happening under trumps watch

country falling apart= failed leadership

right nowtrump will help
Democracts stay out of our cities

[Spurs Homer]

trump will help
Democracts stay out of our cities


too late cities completely left to rot and cities completely destroyed (according to Fox news)

all under trumps watch- failure of leadership


when obama was president- I would step outside my house and the air was clean, birds were happily flying, neighbors were courteous and helpful, the economy was booming, planet was safe...


i watched fox news this week and was afraid to step outside-
but i did....


Looked like the apocalypse unleashed...

smoke, destruction, protesters, 170k dead americans, refridgerated trucks with dead bodies outside overrun hospitals,neighbors look menacing- wearing red hats and carrying long guns, hate everywhere, birds flew the fuck to canada....


failure of leadership!

[Trill Clinton]

Bernie and Michelle killed it. Flawless performance from them two.

[hater]

Bernie and Michelle killed it. Flawless performance from them two.

Premature ejac by dnc imo

They will erase any gains by having the Kkklintons back on stage :lmao

[Trill Clinton]

The Biden mistake within the mistake is his silence on the crime and violence epidemic. The fact that nearly all these cities are run by Democrats puts a special obligation on Biden and his party to find solutions.



But you can’t solve a problem you don’t acknowledge, and the failure to address the urban bloodshed is a major miss.

If that pattern continues all week, Dems will have given Trump a major opening. Count on him hammer it home until November.

Why haven't the Republicans solved the poverty/ unemployment problem? The poorest states are red states.

[Will Hunting]

Premature ejac by dnc imo

They will erase any gains by having the Kkklintons back on stage :lmao
Bill Clinton’s convention speech in 2016 was horrible, he spent all his time trying to humanize Shillary and it came off as forced, but prior to that his convention speeches were legendary. Hopefully they told him to take the gloves off and go after Trump in his speech.

Meanwhile with Hillary I don’t see any positive outlook. It would be best if her speech was an apology about how running an awful campaign and losing to Trump is her biggest regret, but god knows her ego won’t ever allow for that. I’m sure it’ll be her telling voters they made a mistake in 2016 and that they shouldn’t do it again, since with Hillary it’s everyone else’s fault but hers.

[DMC]

Having the Clintons at the rally is a mistake. You either own them or you don't. For the past 4 years they were "Ding" as if they weren't part of the system any longer. Now they are. It just shows that regardless of the face of the VP, the DNC is offering the same product they offered before. Obama isn't walking through that door.

[DMC]

Why haven't the Republicans solved the poverty/ unemployment problem? The poorest states are red states.

States don't eat or need housing. People are poor, not states.

[Will Hunting]

Why haven't the Republicans solved the poverty/ unemployment problem? The poorest states are red states.
I never get a straight answer to this question.

Why is West Virginia dead last in median family income among all 50 states? It’s over 90% white, extremely religious, has a Republican Governor, a Republican super majority at the state legislature level and one of the most deregulated business environments in the country. West Virginia is very much the homogeneous conservative utopia that Republicans think the rest of the country should be, why is it so fucking poor?

[ducks]

Michelle Obama's DNC address fact-checked by AP over 'distorted' immigration talking point

https://www.foxnews.com/media/michelle-obama-dnc-fact-checked-kids-cages

[ducks]

Bernie and Michelle killed it. Flawless performance from them two.

Ap said she was wrong
Was more anti Trump then pro biden
Did not mention Harris at all!

[Will Hunting]

Ap said she was wrong
Was more anti Trump then pro biden
Did not mention Harris at all!
The AP said a 10-15 second soundbye in a 19 minute speech was distorted and misleading.

Anything else from the other 18 minutes and 45 seconds of the speech to fact check, or was that it?

[ducks]

Yep 44 used cages
Where was his wife

[Winehole23]

States don't eat or need housing. People are poor, not states.Too glib by half.

States can't defiicit spend when public emergencies and recessions happen, services have to be cut and employees laid off, which leads to even more poor people and homeless people.

Not helping states in a pandemic/recession is economically brain dead.

[CosmicCowboy]

I never get a straight answer to this question.

Why is West Virginia dead last in median family income among all 50 states? It’s over 90% white, extremely religious, has a Republican Governor, a Republican super majority at the state legislature level and one of the most deregulated business environments in the country. West Virginia is very much the homogeneous conservative utopia that Republicans think the rest of the country should be, why is it so fucking poor?

Have you ever been there? It is remote, with rugged mountains, very little usable land, no airports close and nothing to attract industry. What little they had went offshore in the last 50 years. Coal was once big but has been replaced with natural gas...There just aren't any jobs.

[ducks]

Damm biden and Harris will be connected via video link according to them
It will not be prerecorded
Will biden blow it ?

[hater]

Damm biden and Harris will be connected via video link according to them
It will not be prerecorded
Will biden blow it ?

:lol

[boutons_deux]

If Trash's rage is any indication, Michelle Obama drew blood, right the bone. :lol

A knitter AND a woman humiliating Trash before the public? ouch

Another smart knitter trashed Trash at the WHCD, and Trash never forgot

Knitters busting Trash's mythical balls :lol

====================

I sat next to Donald Trump at the infamous 2011 White House correspondents’ dinner

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/i-sat-next-to-donald-trump-at-the-infamous-2011-white-house-correspondents-dinner/2016/04/27/5cf46b74-0bea-11e6-8ab8-9ad050f76d7d_story.html

[Will Hunting]

Have you ever been there? It is remote, with rugged mountains, very little usable land, no airports close and nothing to attract industry. What little they had went offshore in the last 50 years. Coal was once big but has been replaced with natural gas...There just aren't any jobs.
The question was rhetorical :lol, my overall point was that blaming West Virginia's problems on conservative politicians at the state/local level makes about as much sense as blaming Baltimore or Detroit's problems on liberal politicians at the state/local level. The major problems facing WV/Baltimore/Detroit/etc. (namely a lack of jobs stemming from automation and globalism) weren't caused by policy at the state/local level and can't be fixed by policy at the state/local level.

[Millennial_Messiah]

he's probably going to lose his seat in a few months... maybe getting him exposure is a hail mary swing without much cost investment to help him in that race

exactly

the Dems (actually both sides) should honestly do that with all the swing senate races

[Millennial_Messiah]

The question was rhetorical :lol, my overall point was that blaming West Virginia's problems on conservative politicians at the state/local level makes about as much sense as blaming Baltimore or Detroit's problems on liberal politicians at the state/local level. The major problems facing WV/Baltimore/Detroit/etc. (namely a lack of jobs stemming from automation and globalism) weren't caused by policy at the state/local level and can't be fixed by policy at the state/local level.
We need a more federal-based, unitary America. #AbolishThe10th

[Will Hunting]

exactly

the Dems (actually both sides) should honestly do that with all the swing senate races
It's not a swing senate race. Doug Jones trailed Tuberville 52% to 35% in the most recent poll and 50% to 40% in the poll prior to that. Jones' only shot at keeping the seat was capitalizing on the rift between Sessions and Trump if Sessions won the primary, once Trump's candidate won the primary that race was open and shut.

Regardless, I agree that candidates in winnable races like Cal Cunningham and Sara Gideon should be getting national exposure, if for no reason other than money raising purposes. Gabby Giffords is speaking at the convention which effectively is exposure for Mark Kelly. Hickenlooper is a scumbag so I'm fine with him getting no exposure. If he actually needs a boost from national exposure to win a senate race in Colorado, the Dems might as well burn it all down at that point.

[Trill Clinton]

wow I missed this..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74FvxjiIIfo&feature=emb_logo

terrible...the DNC has to stop with this bullshit.

[johnsmith]

wow I missed this..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74FvxjiIIfo&feature=emb_logo

terrible...the DNC has to stop with this bullshit.

Politics aside, that was hilarious!

[boutons_deux]

A great song, still relevant, from the Viet Nam protest era, but weird rendition. :lol

[ElNono]

I'm not disputing that there are fake numbers out there FFS.

Do you have any stats to show the overall actual death rate is rising?

It's on you to prove they're fake numbers.

And yes, we already had that conversation where aggregate deaths were substantially up, and you fumbled it. Who can forget?

[Reck]

wow I missed this..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74FvxjiIIfo&feature=emb_logo

terrible...the DNC has to stop with this bullshit.


:lmao the DNC courting the derp vote with this extra gay dude up there. :lmao


It cracked me up.

:lmao Still funny af

[hater]

:lmao

https://twitter.com/Woj_Pawelczyk/status/1295659350644621313?s=19

[Reck]

:lmao

https://twitter.com/Woj_Pawelczyk/status/1295659350644621313?s=19

What a weak attempt.

Team red must be desperate.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Regardless, I agree that candidates in winnable races like Cal Cunningham and Sara Gideon should be getting national exposure, if for no reason other than money raising purposes. Gabby Giffords is speaking at the convention which effectively is exposure for Mark Kelly. Hickenlooper is a scumbag so I'm fine with him getting no exposure. If he actually needs a boost from national exposure to win a senate race in Colorado, the Dems might as well burn it all down at that point.
Yeah, Hickenlooper is a scumbag but he's up +10 in the polls, and likewise in the polls for Kelly, so I don't think either of those matter. The Hispanic-majority SW states should be considered the New Blue Wall, long term imo.

[Spurtacular]

It's on you to prove they're fake numbers.

And yes, we already had that conversation where aggregate deaths were substantially up, and you fumbled it. Who can forget?

There's been no conversation about aggregate death being up. It's why you didn't post a link showing so and fell back to smoke and mirrors.

[Trill Clinton]

1295839901037080579


ducks

[hater]

:lmao DNC

https://twitter.com/AZachParkinson/status/1295814434758234112?s=19

[Reck]

Republicans strategy still is that Biden is a super lefty that rivals Bernie. :lmao

Some dude on CNN said Biden was co-opted by AOC and Bernie. Rofl

[Chris]

Reck watches CNN :lmao

[Reck]

Reck watches CNN :lmao

Did you expect me to say Fox News, bot?

You watch Fox News. :lmao

[Will Hunting]

Republicans strategy still is that Biden is a super lefty that rivals Bernie. :lmao

Some dude on CNN said Biden was co-opted by AOC and Bernie. Rofl
Based off who's on the RNC speaker list, it seems pretty clear to me the strategy they're all in on is "Biden has been co-opted by radicals who want to see your neighborhood overrun by BLM rioters. Vote for Trump so scary black men don't show up at your doorstep the way they showed up on the doorstep of this wholesome gun toting Missouri couple."

[GB20]

Reck watches CNN :lmao
Chris watches fuck news, I am sorry fox news:lol

[Spurtacular]

So Democrats are "unified" instead of even considering their final chance to not put the sh** that is Biden/Harris on the table.
Well, what could you expect from cowards who do pre-recorded speeches instead of getting together in person?

:lmao Chumpettes

[ElNono]

There's been no conversation about aggregate death being up. It's why you didn't post a link showing so and fell back to smoke and mirrors.

:lol of course there was... there was a graph that had to be explained to you 10 times until you got it.

I'll be happy to provide a link if you still don't remember.

[Will Hunting]

The DNC co-opting Sherrod Brown's "dignity of work" slogan.

Would have been a lot easier to just pick him as the nominee.

[spurraider21]

The DNC co-opting Sherrod Brown's "dignity of work" slogan.

Would have been a lot easier to just pick him as the nominee.
by which you mean he should have ran and people should have voted for him

[Spurtacular]

Democrats all doing a script read and doing chorale punchlines.

Way to fight against that cult-like image. :lol

[Will Hunting]

by which you mean he should have ran and people should have voted for him
Sure.

He was clearly contemplating running, if the DNC tapped him on the shoulder and said we've got your back if you do run, he definitely would have.

[Spurtacular]

The DNC co-opting Sherrod Brown's "dignity of work" slogan.

Would have been a lot easier to just pick him as the nominee.

White guy doesn't check boxes. This is the state of your party.

[Trainwreck2100]

Today's Clinton and AOC, the repub hate boner will be strong tonight. But I'll still :lol when AOC goes over her 1 minute allowed.

[Will Hunting]

White guy doesn't check boxes. This is the state of your party.
Right, clearly that's why they nominated a white guy.

[Reck]

This intro is too long.

[Will Hunting]

Today's Clinton and AOC, the repub hate boner will be strong tonight. But I'll still :lol when AOC goes over her 1 minute allowed.
It's prerecorded. Not a chance the corporate lobbyists running the DNC would give her the opportunity to go over time, they keep her on a tight leash.

[Spurtacular]

I :lol every time they show morbidly obese black lady.

[Trainwreck2100]

It's prerecorded. Not a chance the corporate lobbyists running the DNC would give her the opportunity to go over time, they keep her on a tight leash.

not tight enough

[Spurtacular]

Right, clearly that's why they nominated a white guy.

They weren't giving it to just any Johnny come lately.

Still needed boxes checked after that.

[Spurtacular]

It's prerecorded. Not a chance the corporate lobbyists running the DNC would give her the opportunity to go over time, they keep her on a tight leash.

It's all coordinated. Makes a mockery of Democracy, tbh.

[Will Hunting]

They weren't giving it to just any Johnny come lately.

Still needed boxes checked after that.
You just said "white guy doesn't check boxes." Are you moving the goalposts?

[Trainwreck2100]

Makes a mockery of Democracy, tbh.

That would be the two party system

[Will Hunting]

Sally Yates is a Democrat carryover from the Obama administration who Trump was going to replace at some point no matter what, I don't know why she's getting promoted as some former Trump ally giving a tell all.

[Spurtacular]

You just said "white guy doesn't check boxes." Are you moving the goalposts?

Biden doesn't check the minority and female boxes.

I don't know why you're arguing this. Biden announced his pick needs to check boxes.

[Reck]

Sally Yates is a Democrat carryover from the Obama administration who Trump was going to replace at some point no matter what, I don't know why she's getting promoted as some former Trump ally giving a tell all.

She can get it.

[Reck]

Biden doesn't check the minority and female boxes.

I don't know why you're arguing this. Biden announced his pick needs to check boxes.

Dude, he's had the black vote and definitely the black female vote under his thumb for quite some time. He clearly checked that box years ago.

[Will Hunting]

Biden doesn't check the minority and female boxes.

I don't know why you're arguing this. Biden announced his pick needs to check boxes.
Are you trying to argue that Sherrod Brown couldn't have been the VP because he's a white male? If so then I agree, but I wasn't talking about Brown as the VP, I was talking about him as a candidate.

[Will Hunting]

You can add the Kennedys to the same list the Clintons are on of Democratic power broker families people are really fucking tired of hearing from.

[DarrinS]

This is like a PBS fundraiser. :lol

[Reck]

This is like a PBS fundraiser. :lol

Tell us more!

[Will Hunting]

Tell us more!
Was really hoping the Democratic National Convention was going to receive the KarrinS stamp of approval. Not sure how Biden can recover from this!

[spurraider21]

They weren't giving it to just any Johnny come lately.

Still needed boxes checked after that.
2nd place finisher was also a white guy :lol

[Will Hunting]

I hope Tom Perez gets mouth cancer.

[Spurtacular]

Dude, he's had the black vote and definitely the black female vote under his thumb for quite some time. He clearly checked that box years ago.

:lol Pretentious white bitches like you think you own the blacks.
:lol Thanks for showing why many are walking away.

[Reck]

Tom Perez is dominican? :lol

Doesn't come off as cool as most of my dominican niggas.

[Spurtacular]

Are you trying to argue that Sherrod Brown couldn't have been the VP because he's a white male? If so then I agree, but I wasn't talking about Brown as the VP, I was talking about him as a candidate.

Yes. Though Sherrod Brown would have made no inroads on president either. Good ideas aren't the order of the day.

[Will Hunting]

Yes. Though Sherrod Brown would have made no inroads on president either. Good ideas aren't the order of the day.
He wouldn’t have made inroads because he lacked name recognition. If the DNC and media were in the tank for him that would have changed.

Im not sure why you think Sherrod Brown has good ideas through, he’s solidly to the left of Biden.

[clambake]

Biden doesn't check the minority and female boxes.

I don't know why you're arguing this. Biden announced his pick needs to check boxes.

Powerful, if you knew anything about women

[Reck]

So AOC speech was to pointlessly nominate Sanders for president?

[Trainwreck2100]

You can add the Kennedys to the same list the Clintons are on of Democratic power broker families people are really fucking tired of hearing from.

I really don't get this, people are tired of hearing from Hillary, but all Bill has done since he left office is cheat on his wife, he's been pretty out of the limelight. The R's are the ones that keep dragging him into the media because of how much they hate his wife

[Will Hunting]

I really don't get this, people are tired of hearing from Hillary, but all Bill has done since he left office is cheat on his wife, he's been pretty out of the limelight. The R's are the ones that keep dragging him into the media because of how much they hate his wife
All he’s done since he left office is speak at every DNC Convention, campaign for his wife, and stupidly criticize Obamacare for gutting shitty insurance policies.

Peope are definitely a lot more tired of Hillary than Bill, but I think all the Epstein shit has worn out Bill’s welcome.

[Will Hunting]

Jesus Christ, did they really need to televise the nomination process for all 50 fucking states.

[Trainwreck2100]

All he’s done since he left office is speak at every DNC Convention, campaign for his wife, and stupidly criticize Obamacare for gutting shitty insurance policies.

Peope are definitely a lot more tired of Hillary than Bill, but I think all the Epstein shit has worn out Bill’s welcome.

of course he's going to speak at every dnc convention, but that's 1 every 4 years, he campaigned for his wife, so he could keep banging bitches.

[Spurtacular]

He wouldn’t have made inroads because he lacked name recognition. If the DNC and media were in the tank for him that would have changed.

Im not sure why you think Sherrod Brown has good ideas through, he’s solidly to the left of Biden.

I assume you think he has good ideas. They don't matter though.

Kopmala said it's immoral to not have medicare for all. That idea didn't matter.

The media doesn't get behind people based on good ideas either.

[Spurtacular]

Powerful, if you knew anything about women

You keep talking like anyone believes you're a lothario.

[Will Hunting]

I assume you think he has good ideas. They don't matter though.

Kopmala said it's immoral to not have medicare for all. That idea didn't matter.

The media doesn't get behind people based on good ideas either.
Ah I see what you’re saying. Sherrod Brown has ideas the media and DNC would have been fine with. He wasn’t a M4A guy and has enough corporate sponsors, but I think progressives would have found him more palatable than Biden m, and he would have definitely done well with midwestern whites. Ohio still loves him even though the state is trending red.

[ElNono]

wtf, that liar Colin Powell is going to talk in this shit? who's next, dubya?

[Will Hunting]

wtf, that liar Colin Powell is going to talk in this shit? who's next, dubya?
Another Republican endorsement that doesn’t matter.

They should be pushing hard for a Romney endorsement. Arizona has a fuck load of Mormons who’ll follow Romney.

[Spurtacular]

wtf, that liar Colin Powell is going to talk in this shit? who's next, dubya?

Colin Powell bad again?

[ElNono]

What's the rest of the lineup? Shepard Smith and Bill O'Reilly? :lmao

[ElNono]

Colin Powell bad again?

Colin Powell was always bad in my book, IMVHO

[ducks]

In just three months, it will be over. The U.S. presidential election, I mean. Not the end of the world. But maybe the end of our nation, as we have known it. No I will not be voting for Biden.... I am not voting for a man. I am not rallying for a personality. I am not pushing a person. At this point, I am voting for one thing and one thing only. I am voting for the principles for which this country has stood since it’s founding. I am voting for Constitutional government. I am voting for a strong and viable military. I am voting for a vibrant economy. I am voting for the right to keep and bear arms. I am voting for the freedom to worship. I am voting for a national recognition of the founding of our nation on Biblical principles. I am voting for the ability for anyone to rise above their circumstances and become successful. I am voting for my children and grandchildren to be able to choose their own path in life, including how and where their children are educated. I am voting for our borders to be open to everyone who enters under our law and closed to everyone who would circumvent or ignore the law. I am voting for the Electoral College to remain in place, so that a few heavily populated liberal centers do not control the elections. I am voting for a Supreme Court that interprets the Constitution rather than rewrites it. I am voting to teach history, with all of it’s warts, not erase it or revise it. I am voting for the sanctity of life from conception to birth and after.
Now, there are some things I am voting against. I am voting against open borders. I am voting against a rampant welfare system that enslaves it’s recipients. I am voting against socialism, in all of it’s forms, including health care, redistribution, reparations, economics, governmental control, pedophilia, and criminal releases, etc. I would rather pay for prison reform then see the criminals released to repeatedly commit the same crimes!
So, although I don’t give blanket approval to everything our President has done or said in the past, I do support him as our president! I am not voting against Joe Biden, but I am voting against every thing that the party backing him and propping him up stands for. It is not the Democratic Party of the past. Three months is all we have. –

[Spurtacular]

Ah I see what you’re saying. Sherrod Brown has ideas the media and DNC would have been fine with. He wasn’t a M4A guy and has enough corporate sponsors, but I think progressives would have found him more palatable than Biden m, and he would have definitely done well with midwestern whites. Ohio still loves him even though the state is trending red.

I would bet the oligarchy likes Trump more than him. So, there's no motivation to get him there based on electability.

[Will Hunting]

I get giving black people face time, but really, you picked a gay black guy to announce who the Maine delegates go to? The Maine 2nd district voters really aren’t going to like that.

[Reck]

Elena is everywhere.

[ElNono]

In just three months, it will be over. The U.S. presidential election, I mean. Not the end of the world. But maybe the end of our nation, as we have known it. No I will not be voting for Biden.... I am not voting for a man. I am not rallying for a personality. I am not pushing a person. At this point, I am voting for one thing and one thing only. I am voting for the principles for which this country has stood since it’s founding. I am voting for Constitutional government. I am voting for a strong and viable military. I am voting for a vibrant economy. I am voting for the right to keep and bear arms. I am voting for the freedom to worship. I am voting for a national recognition of the founding of our nation on Biblical principles. I am voting for the ability for anyone to rise above their circumstances and become successful. I am voting for my children and grandchildren to be able to choose their own path in life, including how and where their children are educated. I am voting for our borders to be open to everyone who enters under our law and closed to everyone who would circumvent or ignore the law. I am voting for the Electoral College to remain in place, so that a few heavily populated liberal centers do not control the elections. I am voting for a Supreme Court that interprets the Constitution rather than rewrites it. I am voting to teach history, with all of it’s warts, not erase it or revise it. I am voting for the sanctity of life from conception to birth and after.
Now, there are some things I am voting against. I am voting against open borders. I am voting against a rampant welfare system that enslaves it’s recipients. I am voting against socialism, in all of it’s forms, including health care, redistribution, reparations, economics, governmental control, pedophilia, and criminal releases, etc. I would rather pay for prison reform then see the criminals released to repeatedly commit the same crimes!
So, although I don’t give blanket approval to everything our President has done or said in the past, I do support him as our president! I am not voting against Joe Biden, but I am voting against every thing that the party backing him and propping him up stands for. It is not the Democratic Party of the past. Three months is all we have. –

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[DMC]

At the end of the day the two sides will close ranks and the in-fighting will fall to party loyalty because bread needs butter. (bend over, I'll butter your fucking muffin)

[clambake]

You keep talking like anyone believes you're a lothario.

Why don’t you come clean?

There is no woman in your life.

Ever

[Spurtacular]

Why don’t you come clean?

There is no woman in your life.

Ever

I think you probably fap a half dozen times a day.

You needn't worry about clean, blake bot.

[Spurtacular]

Did they really need to televise the nomination process for all 50 fucking states.

That's supposed to be the procedural purpose of the convention. But I :lol at all the attention whores looking for their 10 seconds of face time.

[Will Hunting]

I think you probably fap a half dozen times a day.
Wish I had the stamina for that :lol

[clambake]

I think you probably fap a half dozen times a day.

You needn't worry about clean, blake bot.

How many miles on that chairlift van, derp?

[hater]

https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/1295770294880174084?s=19

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/1295770294880174084?s=19

lmao D'Souza should tell Bill what jail looks like, tbh

[DMX7]

lol, Dinesh is so desperate to be relevant. This stuff about Bill Clinton would be breaking news 25 years ago.

[Reck]

lol, Dinesh is so desperate to be relevant. This stuff about Bill Clinton would be breaking news 25 years ago.

Oh no! Clinton has no shot at winning in November now.

[DMX7]

Politics is definitely not a young man's game for either party.

[DMX7]

Oh no! Clinton has no shot at winning in November now.

Yeah, and of course he did win election and re-election with all the dirt on him out there.

[Will Hunting]

As expected, Jill Bidens speech was pretty milquetoast but it’s not detrimental the way other First Lady speeches can be.

[Reck]

As expected, Jill Bidens speech was pretty milquetoast but it’s not detrimental the way other First Lady speeches can be.

Biden’s speech has to be live. If the wife can do it..

It will go a long ways of showing he’s at least alert. Don’t care if he stutters a few times.

[Will Hunting]

Biden’s speech has to be live. If the wife can do it..

It will go a long ways of showing he’s at least alert. Don’t care if he stutters a few times.
He looked a lot better in that appearance with his wife than he did during the primary. 6 months of being in the freezer was a lucky break for him.

[Spurtacular]

Wish I had the stamina for that :lol

Even if it was for the gay porn he faps to? :lol

[DarrinS]

As expected, Jill Bidens speech was pretty milquetoast but it’s not detrimental the way other First Lady speeches can be.

It was great, but then Joe came in...

[clambake]

Oh, you’re back!

Did they get you all cleaned up?

[Spurtacular]

How many miles on that chairlift van, derp?


Oh, you’re back!

Did they get you all cleaned up?

You're moving on to physically handicapped jokes now?

You don't think this stuff out, blake bot.

[ChumpDumper]

You're moving on to physically handicapped jokes now?

You don't think this stuff out, blake bot.:lol You didn't think that post out.

[Will Hunting]

It was great, but then Joe came in...
I don’t see anything wrong with how Joe looked at the end. It was the type of hokie moment people like.

[clambake]

You're moving on to physically handicapped jokes now?

You don't think this stuff out, blake bot.

Chairlift van and no women ever (besides caretakers)

Lash out

[Spurtacular]

Biden’s speech has to be live. If the wife can do it..

It will go a long ways of showing he’s at least alert. Don’t care if he stutters a few times.

:cry If Zombie Rapist can just have a lucid moment :cry

Muhamad! The fucking dementia is no secret at this point, eunuch.
Own your fucking failure. :lmao

[DarrinS]

I don’t see anything wrong with how Joe looked at the end. It was the type of hokie moment people like.

Yeah, I've seen worse from him.

[Spurtacular]

:lol You didn't think that post out.

Derp coming to his blake blow doll's rescue. :lmao

[Reck]

I don’t see anything wrong with how Joe looked at the end. It was the type of hokie moment people like.

Just wait until Melania gives her broken english plagiarized speech and then Trump walks in for a kiss and gets denied live on TV.

Wouldn't be the first time either. Fucking Darrin always nitpicking non issues to whine about.

[hater]

He looked a lot better in that appearance with his wife than he did during the primary. 6 months of being in the freezer was a lucky break for him.

Dementia/ alzheimers don't woeful like that

Yes you have good days. But it's all downhill

[DMX7]

As expected, Jill Bidens speech was pretty milquetoast but it’s not detrimental the way other First Lady speeches can be.

Michelle Obama might be the star of the convention for the DNC.

[hater]

lol, Dinesh is so desperate to be relevant. This stuff about Bill Clinton would be breaking news 25 years ago.

Its relevant today

[Spurtacular]

Just wait until Melania gives her broken english plagiarized speech and then Trump walks in for a kiss and gets denied live on TV.

Wouldn't be the first time either. Fucking Darrin always nitpicking non issues to whine about.

Important stuff. Why worry about UBI and medicare for all when you worry about this gossip.

[Spurtacular]

Michelle Obama might be the star of the convention for the DNC.

Did you get a thrill up your leg?

[DMX7]

Dementia/ alzheimers don't woeful like that

Yes you have good days. But it's all downhill

lol, you don't have good days with alzheimers... It doesn't work like that.

[Spurtacular]

Dementia/ alzheimers don't woeful like that

Yes you have good days. But it's all downhill

Which makes the Dems' / media's complicity with this scheme all the more damning.

We're talking about a guy with a foot in the grave. Sad.

[DMX7]

Did you get a thrill up your leg?

No, weirdo. But even Fox News pundits said it was a strong performance by her.

[Reck]

Dementia/ alzheimers don't woeful like that

Yes you have good days. But it's all downhill

Dude, when you have dementia you dont have good days. It's called a progressive disease for a reason.

[clambake]

Derp coming to his blake blow doll's rescue. :lmao
I don’t know chump

I know you!

[Spurtacular]

No, weirdo. But even Fox News pundits said it was a strong performance by her.

They got the memo to do the token gushing and not give libtards talking points.

Nobody gonna care about her simpleton speak tomorrow.

[Spurtacular]

I don’t know chump

I know you!

???

[Spurtacular]

Dude, when you have dementia you dont have good days. It's called a progressive disease for a reason.

You're talking out of your ass.

It's ebbs and flows; but the trend is downward. Hater done told you.

You can count yourself fortunate that you clearly haven't dealt with any relatives dealing with this affliction.

[DMX7]

They got the memo to do the token gushing and not give libtards talking points.


lol, your stream of consciousness bullshit is all too unoriginal. Think of something interesting to say.

[ChumpDumper]

Derp coming to his blake blow doll's rescue. :lmaoJust pointing out your hypocrisy. You're getting derpfensive.

[Spurtacular]

Just pointing out your hypocrisy. You're getting derpfensive.

You were making a deficient point and running interference.

I didn't know your blake blow doll was that important to you. But :lolK.

[Spurtacular]

lol, your stream of consciousness bullshit is all too unoriginal. Think of something interesting to say.

Don't lash out because the conservatives didn't play into your overlords' hands.

[clambake]

You were making a deficient point and running interference.

I didn't know your blake blow doll was that important to you. But :lolK.

Hey derp, what happens if pictures, name and address are posted here?

[Will Hunting]

Michelle Obama might be the star of the convention for the DNC.
I have a feeling her husband isn’t going to disappoint.

The expectations for Hillary’s speech are so fucking low that I could see it surprise people. If she can make it through a speech without any crying about 2016 where she blames people for why she lost, it’ll be a success.

[ChumpDumper]

You were making a deficient point and running interference.Nope. You did exactly the same thing you accuse him of doing.

You're getting really derpfensive about it. :lolK.

[Reck]

I have a feeling her husband isn’t going to disappoint.

The expectations for Hillary’s speech are so fucking low that I could see it surprise people. If she can make it through a speech without any crying about 2016 where she blames people for why she lost, it’ll be a success.

Shes going to grace us with her patented screech laugh. That’ll give republicans a good hard on

[ChumpDumper]

Shes going to grace us with her patented screech laugh. That’ll give republicans a good hard on
This format is better than her haranguing public speech style. If she makes it too much about herself she'll be rightfully dragged.

[Will Hunting]

Shes going to grace us with her patented screech laugh. That’ll give republicans a good hard on
I actually think it would be productive for all parties if her speech was a mea culpa about running an awful campaign and not doing what it took to prevent the disaster scenario we’re currently in. She’d be able to ride into the sunset with people remembering her having humility.

If her speech is just grumpy Trump bashing it’ll accomplish nothing and potentially be counter productive.

[Spurtacular]

Nope. You did exactly the same thing you accuse him of doing.

You're getting really derpfensive about it. :lolK.

Keep devolving.

Surely your blow doll is safe.

[Spurtacular]

Hey derp, what happens if pictures, name and address are posted here?

Like you plan on posting all your personal sh**?

I wouldn't advise it.

[clambake]

Like you plan on posting all your personal sh**?

I wouldn't advise it.

I could easily post me

What happens if I post you?

[ChumpDumper]

Keep devolving.Keep throwing out ten cent words that have no relevance to the conversation.

:lol you're so insecure

[Spurtacular]

I could easily post me

What happens if I post you?

I don't make that info available.

Are you making threats?

[clambake]

I don't make that info available.

Are you making threats?

Already know the info, derp

[Spurtacular]

Already know the info, derp

No, you don't.

But threatening to dox people is low brow all the same.

[clambake]

Past tense, derp

[Spurtacular]

Past tense, derp

I hope you get the help you clearly need.

[clambake]

I hope you get the help you clearly need.

They may not be able to afford you anymore

I get it

[Spurtacular]

They may not be able to afford you anymore

I get it

You're getting weaker. Better go suckle on chump.

[clambake]

You're getting weaker. Better go suckle on chump.

No women leads you to men.

I’ll remind you later

[Spurtacular]

No women leads you to men.

Sounds like the title of your autobiography.

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okJcX67klds&pp=wgIECgIIAQ%3D%3D

[DMX7]

Ratings don’t matter, people are watching speeches and consuming it through the news and social media like YouTube.

GOP convention will be pretty much the same.

[Will Hunting]

This 30 second bit does a pretty good job succinctly showing how fucking stupid John Kasich's speech was as an attempt to win over Trump voters:

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[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQm2tgGjBHQ

[Spurtacular]

This 30 second bit does a pretty good job succinctly showing how fucking stupid John Kasich's speech was as an attempt to win over Trump voters:

Elm4MQ9QPME

:lol He gives Hillary a run for his money on being driven by butthurt.

I heard McCain's wife might speak or will speak. Dems are desperate.

[hater]

:lmao ma niga AOC came through :lmao

Nominated Bernie :lmao

DNC cannot even control their latinas and they expect to control the country :lmao :lmao

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1295905168744038400?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/Neville215/status/1295909670792712193?s=19

:lmao :lmao

[Will Hunting]

:lol He gives Hillary a run for his money on being driven by butthurt.

I heard McCain's wife might speak or will speak. Dems are desperate.
She narrated a video that I actually think was content people will be receptive to, I'd be very surprised if she's speaking again.

I wouldn't call it desperation, I'd call it tone deafness and groupthink. 63% of Democrats wanted to hear from AOC, 38% wanted to hear from Kasich, but the Clinton-era Democratic Party is convinced milquetoast establishment candidates win elections vs. anti-establishment idealists who drive enthusiasm (btw, Kasich couldn't help himself from getting in a pissing match with AOC, which kinda hurts the "united party" message they're trying to convey). They still don't understand that ORANGE MAN BAD isn't a good enough reason in and of itself for solid liberal voter turnout. Take Jimmy Dore for example - whatever their opinion is of him, he has 790k followers on youtube, most of which are left leaning adults with at least some interest in politics. Would it really be that hard for them to consult Dore on what it would take for him to tell his listeners to vote for Biden? They're just not interested in differing opinions.

The Trump criticism was also dull - we didn't need to hear three different establishment retreads (Clinton, Schumer and Kerry) all repeat the same ORANGE MAN BAD! talking points. The older blue blood Dems who might actually care about what those guys have to say already vote with good turnout, the younger voters who are more fickle have no interest in hearing from Jeffrey Epstein's wingman or the only Dem nominee in the last 30 years who was so milquetoast he couldn't even win the popular vote. Schumer is the highest ranking Dem in the senate so he kinda needs to be a speaker, but neither Kerry nor Clinton should have had a role. The obvious takeaway from 2016 was that it's time for a changing of the guard, and the DNC is fighting that changing of the guard every step of the way.

The best feature from last night was the guy with ALS. If the DNC doesn't want the younger progressive to have a platform, they'd be better off doing more shit like the ALS thing vs. letting the same retreads give the same speech.

[hater]

They should unearth mccains dead body for the convention tbqh

[Will Hunting]

https://twitter.com/Neville215/status/1295909670792712193?s=19

:lmao :lmao
Her speech was a formality dude, not sure if you know this and you're purposefully being obtuse or if you actually think AOC went rogue and endorsed Bernie. Someone had to be the speaker endorsing Bernie as a candidate who received delegates, and they chose her.

It's not Biden fans who are pissed about her speech, it's AOC fans/progressives (like me) who are pissed that they gave John Kasich a 4 minute speech to ramble about "crossroads" (figuratively and literally) but all they gave AOC was a formality speech no one cares about. It would have been less offensive if they didn't give her a speaking role at all instead of making her the token Bernie supporter.

Trump's campaign should start a rumor that AOC refused to give a speech endorsing Biden so they made her a procedural speaker who had no relevance.

[hater]

Disagree

The DNC convention is for pure optics.

AOC a known Biden/Shillarytard hater endorsing Bernie in this shitshow is horrible optics :lol

[Will Hunting]

They should unearth mccains dead body for the convention tbqh
A McCain endorsement would actually help in a pivotal swing state (Arizona) so the DNC retards wouldn't be interested. They prefer GOP endorsements that are pointless and do nothing but piss off progressive voters.

The GOP endorsements they got on Monday were really important though - a silicon valley billionaire, the former governor of NJ, and an ex-GOP congresswoman from NY. Ensuring Biden wins California, New York and New Jersey by at least 25% instead of just 20% while only further painting the Dems as the party of coastal elitists will go a long way towards helping him win the electoral college :rolleyes

[Will Hunting]

Disagree

The DNC convention is for pure optics.

AOC a known Biden/Shillarytard hater endorsing Bernie in this shitshow is horrible optics :lol
Uh, that's essentially what I said.

[Reck]

Does Hater even try?

0/10

[hater]

Uh, that's essentially what I said.

Americans can barely chew gum and walk and you expect them to understand this? :lol

But dont take my word for it. Just look at twitter. Neither neocon Biden fans nor liberals are happy :lol

https://twitter.com/CoDoJo1/status/1295987717734428674?s=19


:lmao called it

[Reck]

What did you call?

[Will Hunting]

Americans can barely chew gum and walk and you expect them to understand this? :lol

But dont take my word for it. Just look at twitter. Neither neocon Biden fans nor liberals are happy :lol

https://twitter.com/CoDoJo1/status/1295987717734428674?s=19


:lmao called it
I def don't expect moron Americans to understand it :lol (which is why I said Trump should start a rumor that AOC refused to endorse Biden, it would inevitably stick with some people), but I think the progressives who do understand what the procedure is are equally pissed.

We're essentially saying the same thing. They should have had an irrelevant politician no one cares about giving the Bernie endorsement, not one of Tuesday's most anticipated speakers.

[Winehole23]

first three points are accurate, conclusion is plausible

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[hater]

first three points are accurate, the conclusion is plausible

1296073354147856384

Disgusting


They dont deserve to take back the WH

[Winehole23]

Disgusting


They dont deserve to take back the WH^^^ voting for the orange fascist instead

[Will Hunting]

What did you call?
He called it that people would be confused by why AOC gave a speech endorsing Bernie, and the confusion would lead to contention because the average American doesn't understand the nomination process where each candidate who passed the delegate threshold receives an endorsement, even if the race is already decided.

This is especially the case when our mainstream media is retarded and wants to manufacture sensationalism with misleading headlines (see below tweet). Anyone with a political science degree and an IQ above room temperature should have seen this coming by having AOC endorse Bernie.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfwlBHTWAAASE1L.jpg

[Reck]

I def don't expect moron Americans to understand it :lol (which is why I said Trump should start a rumor that AOC refused to endorse Biden, it would inevitably stick with some people), but I think the progressives who do understand what the procedure is are equally pissed.

We're essentially saying the same thing. They should have had an irrelevant politician no one cares about giving the Bernie endorsement, not one of Tuesday's most anticipated speakers.

You're acting like they had a gun pointed at her head. She chose this.

She could have decline the offer and chosen to do an actual personal speech. Bernie did it, Warren is set to do it, etc.

I mean, if you want clarity about this, just follow her twitter.

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The only people mad about this are the trolls. She seems very fine with it.

[Reck]

:lmao ma niga AOC came through :lmao

Nominated Bernie :lmao

DNC cannot even control their latinas and they expect to control the country :lmao :lmao

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1295905168744038400?s=19


He called it that people would be confused by why AOC gave a speech endorsing Bernie

:lol

Unless hater is calling himself a dumb fuck, he didn't call shit. He just posted a tweet as a kneejerk reaction per par.

[hater]

He called it that people would be confused by why AOC gave a speech endorsing Bernie, and the confusion would lead to contention because the average American doesn't understand the nomination process where each candidate who passed the delegate threshold receives an endorsement, even if the race is already decided.

This is especially the case when our mainstream media is retarded and wants to manufacture sensationalism with misleading headlines (see below tweet). Anyone with a political science degree and an IQ above room temperature should have seen this coming by having AOC endorse Bernie.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfwlBHTWAAASE1L.jpg

:tu

Ma niga. We are on the same wavelength

Except I dont understand how you are so easily falling in line behind Biden. DNC is doing same exact formula as 2016. I just dont see how winning like this in 2020 will help true liberals tbqh.

The 2020-2024 presidence is already fucked regardless who wins. And most likely the losing party will take 2024 in a landslide because our economy will be completely fucked.

Falling in line behind neocon DNC is suicide for true lefties

[Will Hunting]

You're acting like they had a gun pointed at her head. She chose this.

She could have decline the offer and chosen to do an actual personal speech. Bernie did it, Warren is set to do it, etc.

I mean, if you want clarity about this, just follow her twitter.

1295957460726030337

1295905494935187456

The only people mad about this are the trolls. She seems very fine with it.

I know it's your reflexive instinct to defend the establishment and blame progressives, but it doesn't make any sense to blame AOC for the role that she was given by the DNC/Biden Campaign. It's not her job to run a clean convention that unites the party, it's the DNC's job and the Biden Campaign's job. She didn't have the option of doing her own personal speech, it was the role they gave her and she did what she was told. It's not her responsibility to consider the political ramifications of the 90 second procedural speech she gave.

The damage has already been done, you have the same groupthink issue where you take for granted how hastily the average American draws conclusions with incomplete information. People from both sides are already pissed about this because of the confusion it created.

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[ChumpDumper]

What did you call?:lmao hater walked back from his AOC WENT ROGUE ON HER PRERECORDED AND DNC REVIEWED MESSAGE to STUPID AMERICANS WILL MAKE THE SAME STUPID MISTAKE I JUST MADE

[Winehole23]

Yep 44 used cages
Where was his wifeFrontline reported on this in 2011:https://www.pbs.org/newshour/arts/a-year-long-investigation-by

NYT ran this Op-Ed while Obama was still President: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/18/opinion/mr-obamas-dubious-detention-centers.html

[Reck]

I know it's your reflexive instinct to defend the establishment and blame progressives, but it doesn't make any sense to blame AOC for the role that she was given by the DNC/Biden Campaign. It's not her job to run a clean convention that unites the party, it's the DNC's job and the Biden Campaign's job. She didn't have the option of doing her own personal speech, it was the role they gave her and she did what she was told. It's not her responsibility to consider the political ramifications of the 90 second procedural speech she gave.

The damage has already been done, you have the same groupthink issue where you take for granted how hastily the average American draws conclusions with incomplete information. People from both sides are already pissed about this because of the confusion it created.

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I dont think you have any room about who's who and which side people are in. That glass house thing.

I knew from the offset this was a non issue. It's something that has been done for years. In 2016 Tulsi did the honors for Bernie.

Trolls like Hater like to post and instigate non issues and then see people in the same party fight each other---like so. You insulting me about being establishment or whatever.

Hater's OP said AOC went rogue...I pointed otherwise, you sided with him and insulted me. lol

[baseline bum]

He called it that people would be confused by why AOC gave a speech endorsing Bernie, and the confusion would lead to contention because the average American doesn't understand the nomination process where each candidate who passed the delegate threshold receives an endorsement, even if the race is already decided.

This is especially the case when our mainstream media is retarded and wants to manufacture sensationalism with misleading headlines (see below tweet). Anyone with a political science degree and an IQ above room temperature should have seen this coming by having AOC endorse Bernie.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfwlBHTWAAASE1L.jpg

God I hate our TV media. All they cover is drama and procedure in politics and whether something will pass instead of why it should or shouldn't pass. I briefly turned on NBC's morning show today and the first thing I hear is that twat Savannah Guthrie asking Biden's wife if it was weird for him to choose Kamala Harris for VP after she attacked him in the debates. Great journalism you cunt, let's try as much as possible to make this election about highschool bullshit.

[Will Hunting]

I dont think you have any room about who's who and which side people are in. That glass house thing.

I knew from the offset this was a non issue. It's something that has been done for years. In 2016 Tulsi did the honors for Bernie.

Trolls like Hater like to post and instigate non issues and then see people in the same party fight each other---like so. You insulting me about being establishment or whatever.

Hater's OP said AOC went rogue...I pointed otherwise, you sided with him and insulted me. lol
I think we're talking past each other.

What (I think) hater said (in a very strange way) is that AOC's speech could be taken out of context to make it look like she went rogue in order to inflame fighting.

My point was that even though you and I know her speech was a non-issue, the average American draws hasty conclusions with incomplete information, and our mainstream media loves to feed sensationalism, case and point being NBC News' ridiculously deceptive tweet about AOC's speech.

Regarding 2016 - it wasn't a big deal because Tulsi was an unknown. There wasn't any anticipation for her speech, and no one gave a shit. AOC is considered by most to be the heir apparent to Bernie as the leader of the progressive left, and the big question mark heading into the convention was whether Biden could unite his moderate supporters with AOC's progressive supporters. This led to a buildup around what AOC was going to say, why she only got a minute, etc., and in reality all she would be doing was completing a formality. The DNC letting all that anticipation build up without any notice her speech would be a nothingburger was incredibly stupid and the tweets in my previous post are an example of the drama they created. There's now a lot of people who think it was an act of defiance from her.

[Will Hunting]

:lmao hater walked back from his AOC WENT ROGUE ON HER PRERECORDED AND DNC REVIEWED MESSAGE to STUPID AMERICANS WILL MAKE THE SAME STUPID MISTAKE I JUST MADE
Might be a case of a broken clock being right twice a day, but I think he has a point on the 2nd part.

[hater]

:tu

Ma niga. We are on the same wavelength

Except I dont understand how you are so easily falling in line behind Biden. DNC is doing same exact formula as 2016. I just dont see how winning like this in 2020 will help true liberals tbqh.

The 2020-2024 presidence is already fucked regardless who wins. And most likely the losing party will take 2024 in a landslide because our economy will be completely fucked.

Falling in line behind neocon DNC is suicide for true lefties

Still waiting on your thoughts on this nig

[ChumpDumper]

Might be a case of a broken clock being right twice a day, but I think he has a point on the 2nd part.I completely believe many Americans could make the same stupid mistake hater made.

[ChumpDumper]

I had to explain the whole nominating/roll call process to someone who had never watched a convention before. The only downside to not having network types talking in between every portion of the convention is these kinds of explanations.

I thought the travelogue roll call was actually pretty cool and should be adopted going forward. Let the home state of the nominee do it in person to put the nominee over the top after a taped travelogue deferral.

[Will Hunting]

Except I dont understand how you are so easily falling in line behind Biden. DNC is doing same exact formula as 2016. I just dont see how winning like this in 2020 will help true liberals tbqh.

The 2020-2024 presidence is already fucked regardless who wins. And most likely the losing party will take 2024 in a landslide because our economy will be completely fucked.

Falling in line behind neocon DNC is suicide for true lefties
If the Dems can take the senate, then Trump winning this election won't bother me too much, however I'm not confident that Schumer has the fortitude to stonewall everything the way Cocaine Mitch did with Obama (I could see him being stupid and letting a judge nomination go to the floor thinking it didn't have the votes, only for Sinema and Manchin to break from the Dems). I'm concerned for the scenario where Trump wins and keeps the senate. If that happens then RBG gets replaced with another Scalia clone (not to mention how much the lower courts get stacked with more Heritage Foundation judges). Any meaningful reform on healthcare, income inequality, climate change, etc. would get ruled unconstitutional in a scenario where Neil Gorsuch is the swing vote.

You're also too quick to assume Biden losing means Dem primary voters wake up and accept they need to change their strategy in 2024. I could easily see Biden losing, the country devolving into an even bigger shitpile, and in 2024 the DNC says "Well, we need to try even harder to win the middle this time! We should run John Kasich as a Democrat!" and all the braindead primary voters would fall in line after CNN/MSNBC crammed Kasich down their throat as the candidate most "electable." Somehow after 2016 when Hillary lost due to lackluster turnout from the base, the DNC, MSM and most primary voters thought the solution to that would be nominating a Delaware Dixiecrat who graduated law school near the bottom of his class and has no signature achievements as a senator. There's no reason to think that same insanity wouldn't permeate into 2024 if Biden loses.

[hater]

If the Dems can take the senate, then Trump winning this election won't bother me too much, however I'm not confident that Schumer has the fortitude to stonewall everything the way Cocaine Mitch did with Obama (I could see him being stupid and letting a judge nomination go to the floor thinking it didn't have the votes, only for Sinema and Manchin to break from the Dems). I'm concerned for the scenario where Trump wins and keeps the senate. If that happens then RBG gets replaced with another Scalia clone (not to mention how much the lower courts get stacked with more Heritage Foundation judges). Any meaningful reform on healthcare, income inequality, climate change, etc. would get ruled unconstitutional in a scenario where Neil Gorsuch is the swing vote.

You're also too quick to assume Biden losing means Dem primary voters wake up and accept they need to change their strategy in 2024. I could easily see Biden losing, the country devolving into an even bigger shitpile, and in 2024 the DNC says "Well, we need to try even harder to win the middle this time! We should run John Kasich as a Democrat!" and all the braindead primary voters would fall in line after CNN/MSNBC crammed Kasich down their throat as the candidate most "electable." Somehow after 2016 when Hillary lost due to lackluster turnout from the base, the DNC, MSM and most primary voters thought the solution to that would be nominating a Delaware Dixiecrat who graduated law school near the bottom of his class and has no signature achievements as a senator. There's no reason to think that same insanity wouldn't permeate into 2024 if Biden loses.

If liberals dont wake up after another trump win then they deserve eternal slavery. If th3y blame the usual suspects, russia, green party, minorities, etc then they deserve to be losers for life

[Will Hunting]

If liberals dont wake up after another trump win then they deserve eternal slavery. If th3y blame the usual suspects, russia, green party, minorities, etc then they deserve to be losers for life
I'd argue that even if Biden wins, they should wake up to how flawed the election strategy of running a milquetoast establishment dixiecrat is and relying on "Hey, at least he's not the other guy!" as your best stump speech, but we both know that if Biden wins, the moderate neocon Dems are going to say "Haha Bernie supporters, this proves winning the center is what works! Hope you enjoy getting raped by Blue Cross Blue Shield, because M4A ain't happening now!"

The fact they can't crack an 8-10% lead against someone who's run the country into the ground as swiftly and deliberately as Trump is an indictment of the effectiveness of Biden's campaign. A good candidate would be up 12-15% on Trump right now, and a generational candidate would have 1932 landslide potential running against Trump. We're through 2 days of the convention, and I have yet to hear a coherent and specific plan of action as to how Biden will manage the pandemic beyond "facemask mandate!" (something I'm not even sure is constitutional at the federal level). All I've heard is that Trump has managed it poorly.

[Spurminator]

A good candidate would be up 12-15% on Trump right now, and a generational candidate would have 1932 landslide potential running against Trump.

A candidate would have to be even more conservative than Biden to be up 15 points on Trump. I just don't buy that Biden's lead has anything to do with a lack of voter enthusiasm. Trump is going to be at 40ish% because of Republicans as long as his opponent is a Democrat.

[Reck]

I'd argue that even if Biden wins, they should wake up to how flawed the election strategy of running a milquetoast establishment dixiecrat is and relying on "Hey, at least he's not the other guy!" as your best stump speech, but we both know that if Biden wins, the moderate neocon Dems are going to say "Haha Bernie supporters, this proves winning the center is what works!"

The fact they can't crack an 8-10% lead against someone who's run the country into the ground as swiftly and deliberately as Trump is an indictment of the effectiveness of Biden's campaign. A good candidate would be up 12-15% on Trump right now, and a generational candidate would have 1932 landslide potential running against Trump. We're through 2 days of the convention, and I have yet to hear a coherent and specific plan of action as to how Biden will manage the pandemic beyond "facemask mandate!" (something I'm not even sure is constitutional at the federal level). All I've heard is that Trump has managed it poorly.

This country is more devided than ever before. I've seen the argument that some other candidate would be up 10-15 points on Trump and I just laugh. It is utterly ridiculous to think anyone, Bernie or otherwise would be up 10+ points on average on Trump in this divided and fucked up country.

You're saying anyone else would have the support of 60-65 or even 70% support of the country. What world do you live in to think like that?

In the end, that doesn't even matter because we dont elect presidents that way anyways. You can have a 15 point lead nationally and still lose through the EC.

[Will Hunting]

This country is more devided than ever before. I've seen the argument that some other candidate would be up 10-15 points on Trump and I just laugh. It is utterly ridiculous to think anyone, Bernie or otherwise would be up 10+ points on average on Trump in this divided and fucked up country.

You're saying anyone else would have the support of 60-65 or even 70% support of the country. What world do you live in to think like that?

In the end, that doesn't even matter because we dont elect presidents that way anyways. You can have a 15 point lead nationally and still lose through the EC.
I don't understand your math. A 12-15% lead isn't mutually exclusive with the trailing candidate having 40% of the vote, and it definitely doesn't require having 65-70% of the vote. Major party candidates have always gotten at least 40% of the vote, even in landslide years, this isn't some new phenomenon (Hoover got 39.7% of the popular vote, and Mondale got 40.6%). I'd love to see how a 12-15% lead requires having 60-70% of the vote, must be some interesting arithmetic to get to that conclusion.

Trump being in the low 40% isn't the part that I find unbelievable, Biden being stuck between 48-51% is what's pathetic. If he were at 55%, he'd have the 12-15% lead I'm talking about, and that wouldn't require him winning over any Trumptards. All it would require is him winning the undecided voters + some of the voters who plan to vote 3rd party.

Regarding the EC - not sure if you meant to, but :lol if you're implying the notion that Biden isn't winning the popular vote by more because he's focused on winning the EC. He's wasting money and resources trying to :cry make Texas blue :cry instead of focusing on middle American swing states, and he's parading around GOP endorsements from people in NY, NJ and CA. His campaign seems more focused on running up the score in coastal states than winning middle America.

[FrostKing]

Saw clips of Michelle. She morphed into a racist during lockdown.

Wise move. Carving out a well paid niche for her next career.

[hater]

I'd argue that even if Biden wins, they should wake up to how flawed the election strategy of running a milquetoast establishment dixiecrat is and relying on "Hey, at least he's not the other guy!" as your best stump speech, but we both know that if Biden wins, the moderate neocon Dems are going to say "Haha Bernie supporters, this proves winning the center is what works! Hope you enjoy getting raped by Blue Cross Blue Shield, because M4A ain't happening now!"

The fact they can't crack an 8-10% lead against someone who's run the country into the ground as swiftly and deliberately as Trump is an indictment of the effectiveness of Biden's campaign. A good candidate would be up 12-15% on Trump right now, and a generational candidate would have 1932 landslide potential running against Trump. We're through 2 days of the convention, and I have yet to hear a coherent and specific plan of action as to how Biden will manage the pandemic beyond "facemask mandate!" (something I'm not even sure is constitutional at the federal level). All I've heard is that Trump has managed it poorly.

You dont wake up if your team wins

See spurs after championships and still trotting out same old tired lineup

[hater]

"It’s not normal for a civilization to be dominated by plutocrats and secretive government agencies and to only get offered the choice between two authoritarian corporate warmongers in a pretend election to a position of leadership that is almost entirely fake."

[Will Hunting]

A candidate would have to be even more conservative than Biden to be up 15 points on Trump. I just don't buy that Biden's lead has anything to do with a lack of voter enthusiasm. Trump is going to be at 40ish% because of Republicans as long as his opponent is a Democrat.
Do people not understand how percentages work? Trump being at 40% doesn't preclude Biden from having a 15 point lead.

Trump's net approval is currently around -12% (that's where the fivethirtyeight aggregate currently is). If Biden could simply get the votes of everyone who disapproved of Trump, he'd have the 12-15% lead I'm talking about. Don't you think a capable candidate running against an incumbent should be able to capture the vote of people who disapprove of the incumbent? I really don't think I'm the crazy one for suggesting Trump's deficit against his opponent should match his approval deficit.

Furthermore, the polls show that Trump still has an edge over Biden as to who would best manage the economy, which means that roughly 5% of all voters are people who disapprove of Trump overall but still think Trump is better on the economy than Biden. You can't reasonably attribute this to anything other than shitty campaigning and messaging - the last Republican before Trump left office with double digit unemployment and a tumbling economy, and it's where Trump currently has the economy. Meanwhile, the last two Democrats left office with unemployment below 5% and a growing economy. People think Republicans are better at handling the economy because they're better at talking about the economy than Dems are.

[Reck]

I don't understand your math. A 12-15% lead isn't mutually exclusive with the trailing candidate having 40% of the vote, and it definitely doesn't require having 65-70% of the vote. Major party candidates have always gotten at least 40% of the vote, even in landslide years, this isn't some new phenomenon (Hoover got 39.7% of the popular vote, and Mondale got 40.6%). I'd love to see how a 12-15% lead requires having 60-70% of the vote, must be some interesting arithmetic to get to that conclusion.

Trump being in the low 40% isn't the part that I find unbelievable, Biden being stuck between 48-51% is what's pathetic. If he were at 55%, he'd have the 12-15% lead I'm talking about, and that wouldn't require him winning over any Trumptards. All it would require is him winning the undecided voters + some of the voters who plan to vote 3rd party.

Regarding the EC - not sure if you meant to, but :lol if you're implying the notion that Biden isn't winning the popular vote by more because he's focused on winning the EC. He's wasting money and resources trying to :cry make Texas blue :cry instead of focusing on middle American swing states, and he's parading around GOP endorsements from people in NY, NJ and CA. His campaign seems more focused on running up the score in coastal states than winning middle America.

You're kind of forgetting the part where this country is massively divided and the kind of support you're talking about only comes if you have willingly and bipartisan voters who dont just vote for their idols no matter what.

I just find it peculiar you're having a fit about Biden already having a majority of support. 50-51 is already good enough when the other guy is meddling in the low to mid 40s.

I'd be estatic over that. It could be worse.

Regarding the electoral college, I'm merely pointing out that that's how you win here. Irrespective of where either of these candidates are campaigning.

[Spurminator]

Do people not understand how percentages work? Trump being at 40% doesn't preclude Biden from having a 15 point lead.

You also understand that there is almost always "undecided" voters and 3rd party? I'd have to look at a lot of prior polls but I'd be surprised if there's ever been a poll where the top two candidates poll at a sum of much greater than 90% of respondents.


Trump's net approval is currently around -12% (that's where the fivethirtyeight aggregate currently is). If Biden could simply get the votes of everyone who disapproved of Trump, he'd have the 12-15% lead I'm talking about. Don't you think a capable candidate running against an incumbent should be able to capture the vote of people who disapprove of the incumbent? I really don't think I'm the crazy one for suggesting Trump's deficit against his opponent should match his approval deficit.

Think about the difficulty of what you're suggesting. Even with Trump's ridiculously high approval among Republicans, there are still 10-20% of Republicans who don't approve. Do you really expect 100% of those Republicans to vote for the Democrat candidate? You have to factor in a likelihood that people who express disapproval will still vote for him. You also have to factor in people who are Republican but don't identify themselves as such. They may be embarrassed by Trump and embarrassed to call themselves Republican, but they're still going to vote for Trump because they hate Democrats.


Furthermore, the polls show that Trump still has an edge over Biden as to who would best manage the economy, which means that roughly 5% of all voters are people who disapprove of Trump overall but still think Trump is better on the economy than Biden. You can't reasonably attribute this to anything other than shitty campaigning and messaging - the last Republican before Trump left office with double digit unemployment and a tumbling economy, and it's where Trump currently has the economy. Meanwhile, the last two Democrats left office with unemployment below 5% and a growing economy. People think Republicans are better at handling the economy because they're better at talking about the economy than Dems are.

That's a historical problem for Democrats. It's a problem of perception that can't be corrected overnight, and probably the only way it gets corrected that quickly is if we had nominated someone like Mike Bloomberg, which obviously hurts in a lot of other areas. You can nominate someone to the left of Biden who's good at talking about the economy, but as long as they have that :cry socialism :cry stigma, It's going to be hard to overcome. But Democrats definitely need to do more to correct that perception in the long run.

[Will Hunting]

You're kind of forgetting the part where this country is massively divided and the kind of support you're talking about only comes if you have willingly and bipartisan voters who dont just vote for their idols no matter what.

I just find it peculiar you're having a fit about Biden already having a majority of support. 50-51 is already good enough when the other guy is meddling in the low to mid 40s.

I'd be estatic over that. It could be worse.

Regarding the electoral college, I'm merely pointing out that that's how you win here. Irrespective of where either of these candidates are campaigning.
You can keep parroting "massively divided" all you want, it doesn't address the numbers. Trump's net approval rating is currently -12%. What is it about this country's massive divide that renders Biden incapable of simply capturing all of the voters who current disapprove of Trump's job performance? I have a hard time believing the 52-55% of voters who disapprove Trump are people who vote for Trump because he's their idol, seems more likely they're people looking for a reason to vote Trump out.

My point regarding Biden is that him winning doesn't mean he was a great or even good candidate, since I know if he wins we're going to hear about it in 2024 about how the recipe for success is milquetoast centrists. Since the end of June, Trump has gained in the polls on Biden, meaning there have been people who have gone from undecided to Trump or from Biden to Trump. That's not a symptom of people blindly supporting Trump, it's a symptom of Biden making a historically low amount of public appearances as a major party candidate and leaving a vacuum that's been filled by negative ads about Biden.

I wouldn't be ecstatic over Biden winning in the low 50s. This is the problem I have with your mentality, it's completely focused on just being able to win the White House, not on being able to actually get stuff done. Just having a Dem in the oval office isn't the finish line. If Biden wins and the GOP keeps the senate, you can write off the next 4 years, and Biden never gets to pick RBG's replacement. Even if Biden wins and the Dems only have a 51-49 majority, it's slightly better, but Sinema and Manchin have already said they're not going nuclear on the filibuster, so they don't have a real majority on most legislation. Biden being a middling chode who gets the bare minimum vs. being a guy who wins by 12-15% and creates a downballot effect is what puts the Georgia, Montana, Iowa, Kansas and South Carolina senate races in play.

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/1296111162581553152

[hater]

https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/1296111162581553152

Sure but Trump speaks so score tied :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/1296111162581553152Don't forget they taught you what a miserable failure your president is.:tu

[Will Hunting]

You also understand that there is almost always "undecided" voters and 3rd party? I'd have to look at a lot of prior polls but I'd be surprised if there's ever been a poll where the top two candidates poll at a sum of much greater than 90% of respondents.
I'd argue that a high volume of undecided voters are a symptom of the party that's supposed to be advocating for the working class (most voters) having no clear identity beyond saying REPUBLICANS BAD! If you're an undecided low information voter who just watched the convention for the last two days, you've been given nothing to go off in terms of what Biden stands for. All you've been told is that (1) Biden is a decent man and (2) ORANGE MAN BAD! There's no effort by Dems to win undecided voters. They might get away with it this time since Trump can't use the "Try me out, what have you got to lose?" line again.

Lets also not ignore that people who don't vote are the biggest block of adults out there. There's nothing about Joe Biden that's going to inspire a disaffected millennial who's never voted before, lives at home and hates life, to register to vote.


Think about the difficulty of what you're suggesting. Even with Trump's ridiculously high approval among Republicans, there are still 10-20% of Republicans who don't approve. Do you really expect 100% of those Republicans to vote for the Democrat candidate? You have to factor in a likelihood that people who express disapproval will still vote for him. You also have to factor in people who are Republican but don't identify themselves as such. They may be embarrassed by Trump and embarrassed to call themselves Republican, but they're still going to vote for Trump because they hate Democrats.
Right, and there's some Democrats who tell pollsters they approve of Trump, and there's plenty of independents who don't feel strongly either way. Point being, a 12% lead on DJT really isn't that unrealistic.


That's a historical problem for Democrats. It's a problem of perception that can't be corrected overnight, and probably the only way it gets corrected that quickly is if we had nominated someone like Mike Bloomberg, which obviously hurts in a lot of other areas. You can nominate someone to the left of Biden who's good at talking about the economy, but as long as they have that :cry socialism :cry stigma, It's going to be hard to overcome. But Democrats definitely need to do more to correct that perception in the long run.
My issue is that I think they know how to address it but don't want to because they don't the train to run too far off the track in terms of Dem voters wanting shit like a 70% tax rate or M4A. The DNC appears to make a concerted effort to keep its base as far to the right as possible on economic issues.

One other easy way to lessen it would be to stop talking about gay marriage, giving illegals free shit, and trannies. When Elizabeth Warren goes on a rant about how we need to pay for transgender prison inmates to have sex changes (that actually happened if you don't remember), she doesn't come off as someone who's particularly keen at making sure Joe Sixpack can feed his family. The two have nothing to do with each other, but a lot of people (including me) think it's really weird how much disproportionate time Democrats spend talking about gay marriage and trannies getting government-financed sex changes while they spend as little time as possible talking about the economy.

10 years ago I thought Republicans were weird for constantly fear mongering about how legalizing gay marriage will lead to people fucking their dog, now I think Democrats are equally weird for constantly bringing up something that Republicans don't even talk about anymore.