Democratic National Convention Thread

[Chris]

Yeah, I think it's creepy. I've never been shy about saying that.

I appreciate your honesty here tbh :tu

[Winehole23]

I appreciate your honesty here tbh :tuHad you been paying attention,you might already have noticed. :tu

[cool cat]

It offends me as much as this one offends you:

https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2019/07/trump-epstein.jpg

You mean a terrible photoshopped picture :rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2019/07/donald-ivanka-harley-104969172.jpg
https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2019/07/epstein-2005-getty.jpg

[Chris]

You mean a terrible photoshopped picture :rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2019/07/donald-ivanka-harley-104969172.jpg
https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2019/07/epstein-2005-getty.jpg

looool

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2019/07/donald-ivanka-harley-104969172.jpg
Holy shit that's creepy as fuck!

Also snopes good now.:tu

[Chris]

Holy shit that's creepy as fuck!

Also snopes good now.:tu

That's his daughter you sick fuck.

[ChumpDumper]

That's his daughter you sick fuck.That's what makes it creepy as fuck.

Disgusting!

[Chris]

That's what makes it creepy as fuck.

Disgusting!

Just because your parents never showed you any affection, doesn't make it creepy.

Maybe you should have bathed more often.

Disgusting!

[ChumpDumper]

Just because your parents never showed you any affection, doesn't make it creepy.There's affection and there's creepy pedo groping.

Fucking pedo.

You love a fucking pedo you sick piece of shit.

[Chris]

There's affection and there's creepy pedo groping.

Fucking pedo.

You love a fucking pedo you sick piece of shit.

I don't see any groping.

I'm sorry this is happening to you.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't see any groping.

I'm sorry this is happening to you.I'm sorry you were abused and are now identifying with the pedos.

You need help.

You want to enable pedos.

Stop.

[Chris]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DenseFlusteredCoqui-size_restricted.gif

^I see groping here.

[ChumpDumper]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DenseFlusteredCoqui-size_restricted.gif

^I see groping here.Now you want to project your pedophilia onto other people. Quit sexualizing little girls, pervert Chris.

[Chris]

Now you want to project your pedophilia onto other people. Quit sexualizing little girls, pervert Chris.

^this is you folding

You hate to see it.

[Chris]

I can post more of those.

There's a bunch.

[Dirks_Finale]

So weak.

Even the derp could do better.

Need more time?

:lol

VERY triggered :lol

[Dirks_Finale]

Let's be real...for him, the speech was an A-...that's only because the bar for him is so incredibly low that just remembering his current location and the office for which he is running is a total win :lol


Biden had a rough night.


https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1296667716611342336?s=19


Yikes.

[Will Hunting]

Let's be real...for him, the speech was an A-...that's only because the bar for him is so incredibly low that just remembering his current location and the office for which he is running is a total win :lol
Pretty stupid for Trump to lower the bar for him so much by painting the picture of him as a total idiot who can’t complete sentences. Hillary made the same mistake 4 years ago with Trump.

[Dirks_Finale]

Was slow Joe's DNC speech better than Barack Obama's ?


?

Good lord Trump supporters are having a rough night.

[Trill Clinton]

Biden did a great job last night.

[Dirks_Finale]

Depends on the debates. Trump is counting on them. Dems would be wise to lock Joe in the basement and just tell him they've been canceled this election cycle.


Pretty stupid for Trump to lower the bar for him so much by painting the picture of him as a total idiot who can’t complete sentences. Hillary made the same mistake 4 years ago with Trump.

[boutons_deux]

Biden did a great job last night.

even rightwingnutjobs in the rightwing hate media said so.

[hater]

Pretty stupid for Trump to lower the bar for him so much by painting the picture of him as a total idiot who can’t complete sentences. Hillary made the same mistake 4 years ago with Trump.

Agree

Maybe Biden was playing idiot for Trump to do this at times.

Dont get me wrong I believe Biden is mentally incapacitated to be president but maybe hes not totally mentally gone as he often displays

[Will Hunting]

Depends on the debates. Trump is counting on them. Dems would be wise to lock Joe in the basement and just tell him they've been canceled this election cycle.
I don’t think Biden could get away with doing that, it would feed Trumps narrative way too much.

Trump needs to be careful though. Incumbents not taking the 1st debate seriously is a trend in recent years. Obama got smoked by Romney in the first 2012 debate and had to make up ground, same with Bush and Kerry. Biden’s lost a step since his 2012 debate with Ryan but he’s going to be better in a 1 on 1 debate than he was in the group debates.

[Dirks_Finale]

Yeah and the first Bush impatiently looking at his watch while debating Clinton in a townhall setting was also a bad look

I actually think that with the virus and everything that is going on this year, there are enough smoke screens that Biden could get by without debating. If he does, they could pump him up with enough Vit B12 that he could possibly still have a decent debate :lol


I don’t think Biden could get away with doing that, it would feed Trumps narrative way too much.

Trump needs to be careful though. Incumbents not taking the 1st debate seriously is a trend in recent years. Obama got smoked by Romney in the first 2012 debate and had to make up ground, same with Bush and Kerry. Biden’s lost a step since his 2012 debate with Ryan but he’s going to be better in a 1 on 1 debate than he was in the group debates.

[Spurtacular]

I don’t think Biden could get away with doing that, it would feed Trumps narrative way too much.

Trump's narrative or reality's narrative?

[Will Hunting]

Trump's narrative or reality's narrative?
For purposes of this discussion, doesn’t really matter.

[Spurtacular]

For purposes of this discussion, doesn’t really matter.

You're not gonna face it 'til it's a done deal.

[Will Hunting]

:lol Chumpettes not gonna admit what's what 'til it's too late.
You know my opinion about Joe. Sorry that I prefer him over the candidate who ran the country into the ground and is actively trying to sabotage the election.

[Spurtacular]

You know my opinion about Joe. Sorry that I prefer him over the candidate who ran the country into the ground and is actively trying to sabotage the election.

Country was quite prosperous up until Operation Fake Pandemic.

Dat TDS, bro.

[Will Hunting]

Country was quite prosperous up until Operation Fake Pandemic.

Dat TDS, bro.
No it wasn’t. Low unemployment and high stock prices aren’t the sole indicators of a good economy. All of Trump’s tax cuts went towards stock buy backs, nothing trickled down or paid for itself like Republicans always say they will. It’s also been his mission to gut protections for pre existing conditions since the day he took office, which would fuck over multiple relatives of mine and close friends.

Sorry you view Trump’s handling of the pandemic as a nothingburger. Most people don’t have the luxury of calling something fake every time it gets in the way of their agenda. Pandemic or no pandemic there was no way i was ever voting for Trump though.

[hater]

No it wasn’t. Low unemployment and high stock prices aren’t the sole indicators of a good economy. All of Trump’s tax cuts went towards stock buy backs, nothing trickled down or paid for itself like Republicans always say they will. It’s also been his mission to gut protections for pre existing conditions since the day he took office, which would fuck over multiple relatives of mine and close friends.

Sorry you view Trump’s handling of the pandemic as a nothingburger. Most people don’t have the luxury of calling something fake every time it gets in the way of their agenda. Pandemic or no pandemic there was no way i was ever voting for Trump though.

Agree but look at other countries. Europe. Their economy is fucked as well due to pandemic.

You make it seem like all these economic hardships are on Trump.its a fucking pandemic. 90% of it would still happen regardless. Maybe 10% is due to trump. And im talking economy. Deaths, sure trump has killed most due to his stupidity but economy wise it was mostly the pandemic

[Will Hunting]

Agree but look at other countries. Europe. Their economy is fucked as well due to pandemic.

You make it seem like all these economic hardships are on Trump.its a fucking pandemic. 90% of it would still happen regardless. Maybe 10% is due to trump. And im talking economy. Deaths, sure trump has killed most due to his stupidity but economy wise it was mostly the pandemic
Like I already said, the notion that Trump had created “the greatest economy ever!” Before the pandemic is ridiculous. 2018 was the first year in American history that billionaires had a lower effective tax rate than working class Americans. That’s completely due to Trump tax cuts. Before the pandemic 75% of America lived paycheck to paycheck and had no savings. The fact that America was fully employed making $15 an hour working at Target while billionaires were getting rich due to high stock prices doesn’t mean a good economy.

From March to April, US unemployment rose from 4.4% to 14.7%. In Germany it rose from 5.5% to 5.8% during that time, not to mention how much more Germany provides to unemployed workers in terms of safety nets. Since the pandemic began, billionaire wealth has grown in this country by over half a trillion dollars, while wealth for the bottom 99.9% has been destroyed. That’s not happening in Europe - only in Trump’s America is the COVID-19 pandemic leading to a huge transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich.

[hater]

Like I already said, the notion that Trump had created “the greatest economy ever!” Before the pandemic is ridiculous. 2018 was the first year in American history that billionaires had a lower effective tax rate than working class Americans. That’s completely due to Trump tax cuts. Before the pandemic 75% of America lived paycheck to paycheck and had no savings. The fact that America was fully employed making $15 an hour working at Target while billionaires were getting rich due to high stock prices doesn’t mean a good economy.

From March to April, US unemployment rose from 4.4% to 14.7%. In Germany it rose from 5.5% to 5.8% during that time, not to mention how much more Germany provides to unemployed workers in terms of safety nets. Since the pandemic began, billionaire wealth has grown in this country by over half a trillion dollars, while wealth for the bottom 99.9% has been destroyed. That’s not happening in Europe - only in Trump’s America is the COVID-19 pandemic leading to a huge transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich.

I agree but US economy performance going by stock market was not a Trump invetion. It was adopted long ago. Also the wealth disparity was not a Trump invention wealth disparity was going wrong way since 9bama, Bush, Clinton.

So its not fair to say Trump broke the economy. He did continue the farce and helped his billionaire friends yes. But Obama did too.

[Reck]

The fact you still have the usual suspect seething 10 hours later tells you everything.

[Winehole23]

So its not fair to say Trump broke the economy. Oh but it absolutely is. No other rich country suffered a GDP drop like we did, ditto mass unemployment. Trump's bad leadership plunged us into depression and made the USA the global epicenter of the pandemic.

The epidemic and our incompetent government response are present tense and ongoing and so is the tally of the damage.

[Will Hunting]

I agree but US economy performance going by stock market was not a Trump invetion. It was adopted long ago. Also the wealth disparity was not a Trump invention wealth disparity was going wrong way since 9bama, Bush, Clinton.

So its not fair to say Trump broke the economy. He did continue the farce and helped his billionaire friends yes. But Obama did too.
Trump made it worse. It’s a lazy false equivalence so say “Well Obama didn’t fix income inequality either, it’s a wash!”

Obama raised the cap gains tax on rich people in order to subsidize healthcare for poor people. Trump tried gutting that so he could lower the cap gains tax again, knowing it would kick the sickest and most vulnerable Americans off healthcare. In the last two years of Obama’s presidency, the median household income rose at an annual rate over 4%. The calamity Republicans said would happen if Obama let Bush’s tax cuts expire never did happen - instead the middle class achieved a brief increase in income at a rate we haven’t seen for decades after Obama increased taxes on rich people.

Meanwhile, going from 2017 to 2018 (the first year of Trump’s tax cut), median household income rose by 0.1% (median household income data isn’t available for 2019 yet, which is why I only go to 2018). Trump’s tax cuts were feeding another asset bubble the same way Bush’s tax cuts did in the early 2000s, none of the tax savings was trickling down to the middle class, and the asset bubble would have popped with or without COVID-19 he same way Reagan’s asset bubble and GWB’s asset bubble popped.

Joe Biden isn’t going to fix the wealth gap by any stretch of the imagination, but his platform would reverse a lot of what Trump has done if he can get it through Congress. Increasing the cap gains tax rate to the ordinary tax rate would actually be a big step, more than Obama ever did. If Trump gets re-elected he’s already said he wants to lower the cap gains tax even more. That’s a black and white distinction in terms of critical tax policy - over the next 30 years, income produced by capital will continue to represent a larger portion of total income. The only way to sustain a low cap gains tax rate would be to gut safety net programs over time, Trump’s proposed tax cuts only make that worse.

[boutons_deux]

Pic proves Trash is secretly fighting world-wide pedophilia and Satanic baby-eating, according to QAnon

[Reck]

Trafalgar Group is a right leaning pollster, but either way the Emerson poll is one to take seriously.

We need more data from the state to know if it's close. Keep in mind RCP has Biden up 5.3%, which is better than how Shillary did in MN.

I'm confused with this thinking from Trump supporters. Not sure if it's pure delusion or if this is a new strategy.

Loses state to Hillary...but will win it against Biden based on...protests against police brutality? Kind of crazy.

Also if Minnesota is a replacement for Wisconsin, what good does that do him? He loses Wisconsin so goes Michigan and Pennsylvia. Such desperation.

[hater]

:lmao convention bounce :lol

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1296484002761711619?s=19

[hater]

Lolz

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1294298220525428745?s=19

[Reck]

^Very legit sources.

[Will Hunting]

I'm confused with this thinking from Trump supporters. Not sure if it's pure delusion or if this is a new strategy.

Loses state to Hillary...but will win it against Biden based on...protests against police brutality? Kind of crazy.

Also if Minnesota is a replacement for Wisconsin, what good does that do him? He loses Wisconsin so goes Michigan and Pennsylvia. Such desperation.
Theyre right about MN. If he loses WI, MI and PA but defends every other state/district he won in 2016 and also wins MN, that gets him over 270.

I just think they’re selective with polls. When a poll says Biden is winning, the response is “lol remember 2016!” When the poll shows Trump gaining ground, the response is “Hey, look at this Rasmussen poll! Biden is fucked!”

[Reck]

Theyre right about MN. If he loses WI, MI and PA but defends every other state/district he won in 2016 and also wins MN, that gets him over 270.

I just think they’re selective with polls. When a poll says Biden is winning, the response is “lol remember 2016!” When the poll shows Trump gaining ground, the response is “Hey, look at this Rasmussen poll! Biden is fucked!”

Is not even that.

They're seeing something that's not really there. People aren't going to vote for Trump base on what went on Minneapolis. They see the protests or riots as a game changer. It's a comfort narrative.

[spurraider21]

I'm confused with this thinking from Trump supporters. Not sure if it's pure delusion or if this is a new strategy.

Loses state to Hillary...but will win it against Biden based on...protests against police brutality? Kind of crazy.

Also if Minnesota is a replacement for Wisconsin, what good does that do him? He loses Wisconsin so goes Michigan and Pennsylvia. Such desperation.
thats quite the assumption

[Reck]

Will Hunting Case and point. This nut thinks he can win New York because of high taxes and what has been happening here the last six months.


“Over the last six months what’s happened is insane. It’s insane. So we’re going to try very hard to win New York and that will be the first time — is that since Ronald Reagan, I guess? Since Ronald Reagan,” Trump said.


“I will bring down taxes and I’ll make sure that New York City is a safe place. I mean, this is one of our cherished — this is a cherished diamond of this country. And we can’t let this happen to New York.”



https://nypost.com/2020/08/13/trump-says-were-putting-new-york-in-play-cites-crime-and-taxes/

I'm increasingly seeing trumpers talk about winning very deeply blue states without giving any sort of concrete evidence.

[Will Hunting]

thats quite the assumption
His campaign has pulled its ads in Michigan and Pennsylvania for several weeks now. I don’t think they’re even close to giving up in PA, but if they don’t get a god convention bump imo they might give up on Michigan.

Keep in mind the Wisconsin state legislature has the corrupt Republican super majority that at the last minute reduced polling places in Milwaukee from 160 to 5 in the primary. Imo he’s pinning a lot of hope on Wisconsin being the deciding state, so it makes sense that if he loses Wisconsin he’ll also lose the nearby states where he’s spending less money and where there will be less voter suppression.

[Will Hunting]

Will Hunting (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17032) Case and point. This nut thinks he can win New York because of high taxes and what has been happening here the last six months.



https://nypost.com/2020/08/13/trump-says-were-putting-new-york-in-play-cites-crime-and-taxes/

I'm increasingly seeing trumpers talk about winning very deeply blue states without giving any sort of concrete evidence.
:lmao he fucking increased taxes in New York when he made it so they couldn’t deduct SALT taxes. So fucking delusional.

Ultimately thats what I think costs him in Minnesota. 4th highest state income tax in the country, the upper middle class suburban family in the Minneapolis area has gotten fucked by his tax plan.

When you write a tax code that’s intended to screw blue states, don’t expect to win any of them :lol

EDIT: Lets also not forget how ridiculous it is to campaign on the platform of "Hey, in my first 4 years as president, I created so much economic calamity and racial hostility that crime went way up in your city. Vote for me, because I'm the one who can fix the thing that wasn't a problem until I became president!"

[rmt]

Is not even that.

They're seeing something that's not really there. People aren't going to vote for Trump base on what went on Minneapolis. They see the protests or riots as a game changer. It's a comfort narrative.

You are the one who's making a big deal over a simple comment. The MN polls are trending in the opposite direction (toward Trump) - normally I wouldn't even look at MN. I don't make predictive comments about any state except Florida but that is what I see going on on the ground in a highly Dem area.

[Reck]

I don't make predictive comments about any state except Florida


that is what I see going on on the ground in a highly Dem area.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/787/356/d6f.jpg

[rmt]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/787/356/d6f.jpg

What is that supposed to mean?

[ducks]

CNN's Van Jones admits Dems were going to 'praise' Biden DNC speech 'as long as he didn't embarrass himself'
'We were prepared for it to be a terrible speech,' ex-Obama adviser told Anderson Cooper

[ChumpDumper]

CNN's Van Jones admits Dems were going to 'praise' Biden DNC speech 'as long as he didn't embarrass himself'
'We were prepared for it to be a terrible speech,' ex-Obama adviser told Anderson CooperWhy? It's not like Trump was speaking. We were prepared for a meh speech. We got a good one.

[Reck]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-29I6Ia8Xmc

:lmao

[spurraider21]

:lol

1296510605847924739

[Spurtacular]

No it wasn’t. Low unemployment and high stock prices aren’t the sole indicators of a good economy. All of Trump’s tax cuts went towards stock buy backs, nothing trickled down or paid for itself like Republicans always say they will. It’s also been his mission to gut protections for pre existing conditions since the day he took office, which would fuck over multiple relatives of mine and close friends.

Sorry you view Trump’s handling of the pandemic as a nothingburger. Most people don’t have the luxury of calling something fake every time it gets in the way of their agenda. Pandemic or no pandemic there was no way i was ever voting for Trump though.

You mean like how median income actually shrank in Obana's eight years?

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/natashakorecki/status/1296652610536079363?s=20

:lol

[Will Hunting]

You mean like how median income actually shrank in Obana's eight years?
Fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N

In 2009 (the last GWB budget year), median household income was $58,400. In 2017, Obama’s last budget year, median household income was $62,626.

Here comes a response about how those numbers are made up deep state numbers.

[Nathan89]

CNN's Van Jones admits Dems were going to 'praise' Biden DNC speech 'as long as he didn't embarrass himself'
'We were prepared for it to be a terrible speech,' ex-Obama adviser told Anderson Cooper

At least they are admitting to manipulating the masses now tbh

[Ef-man]

You mean like how median income actually shrank in Obana's eight years?

You mean during the recession Bush left?

[Will Hunting]

You mean during the recession Bush left?
Well yeah the numbers are even better for Obama when you factor in how much he was hampered by Bush’s recession, but even just going off the simple analysis showing median income in Bush’s last budget year vs. median income in Obamas last budget year shows an increase.

[Spurtacular]

Fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N

In 2009 (the last GWB budget year), median household income was $58,400. In 2017, Obama’s last budget year, median household income was $62,626.

Here comes a response about how those numbers are made up deep state numbers.

So it took that year he wasn't even sitting in the White House to finally get above his starting point.

There's no way you find those numbers acceptable. If a Repub let earnings go to sh** for eight years you wouldn't be nice about it.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/natashakorecki/status/1296652610536079363?s=20

:lol

Every single pathetic person in this video will be voting for Biden.

[Blake]

Every single pathetic person in this video will be voting for Biden.

You're really struggling to find sick Twitter burns, huh

[Will Hunting]

So it took that year he wasn't even sitting in the White House to finally get above his starting point.

There's no way you find those numbers acceptable. If a Repub let earnings go to sh** for eight years you wouldn't be nice about it.
:lmao no it didn't, median income in 2016 was also above his starting point. You're grasping at straws now.

Here's an illustration for you:
https://i.ibb.co/HGR0fSy/Median-Income-2.png

:lmao conservative economic growth
https://ibb.co/NWfXdvq

[Spurtacular]

:lmao no it didn't, median income in 2016 was also above his starting point. You're grasping at straws now.

Here's an illustration for you:
https://i.ibb.co/HGR0fSy/Median-Income-2.png

:lmao conservative economic growth
https://ibb.co/NWfXdvq

"Real median income"

:lol Leftists always doing smoke and mirrors with the numbers

https://www.statista.com/statistics/200838/median-household-income-in-the-united-states/

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CljBrHVPpUI

[ChumpDumper]

"Real median income"

:lol Leftists always doing smoke and mirrors with the numbers

https://www.statista.com/statistics/200838/median-household-income-in-the-united-states/Uh, that proves you wrong too.

[Will Hunting]

Uh, that proves you wrong too.
:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CljBrHVPpUIHey, did he revise his video about the GFM Wall?

[Spurtacular]

Uh, that proves you wrong too.

Oh, look; Chump's jumping into someone else's back and forth to go against one of his enemies.

[Spurtacular]

Hey, did he revise his video about the GFM Wall?

I don't keep up with it.
It's real important to you though. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Oh, look; Chump's jumping into someone else's back and forth to go against one of his enemies.I guess I could've waited for him to say you proved yourself wrong, but I figured I might as well accelerate your meltdown process.:tu

[ChumpDumper]

I don't keep up with it.
It's real important to you though. :lolIt's the only video of his I saw.

Looks like the truth isn't important to him or you.:tu

[RandomGuy]

CNN's Van Jones admits Dems were going to 'praise' Biden DNC speech 'as long as he didn't embarrass himself'
'We were prepared for it to be a terrible speech,' ex-Obama adviser told Anderson Cooper

Moron Trump did a lot of favors to Biden for setting the bar so low, that all he had to do was not mess up.

As it is, he crushed it. It was fun to watch. Personable, warm, determined and competent.

Everything Trump is not. Cry some salty tears for me...

[Ef-man]

Uh, that proves you wrong too.

:lol

[RandomGuy]

Every single pathetic person in this video will be voting for Biden.

:cry People vote for the guy I don't like. :cry

Snowflake.

[Nathan89]

You're really struggling to find sick Twitter burns, huh

That's my comment buddy. Not influenced by anything else tbh

[Will Hunting]

Here ya go Derp, using your numbers.

Spoiler alert, you're still fucking retarded :lmao

https://i.ibb.co/d2xZJZS/Median-Income-3.png

[Nathan89]

:cry People vote for the guy I don't like. :cry

Snowflake.

Don't worry. I'm not going to attack them like the left does to anyone with a hat, sign, or dissenting opinion.

[Spurtacular]

It's the only video of his I saw.

Looks like the truth isn't important to him or you.:tu

I'm sorry that really set you off.

[ChumpDumper]

Here ya go Derp, using your numbers.

Spoiler alert, you're still fucking retarded :lmao

https://i.ibb.co/d2xZJZS/Median-Income-3.png:rollin

[Will Hunting]

Before Derp tries to say I fudged the numbers:

https://i.ibb.co/vHY1BvV/Median-Income-4.png

[Spurtacular]

Here ya go Derp, using your numbers.

Spoiler alert, you're still fucking retarded :lmao

https://i.ibb.co/d2xZJZS/Median-Income-3.png

Draw a line from 2008 to 2016. Nothing to brag about.

It would've looked like Dubya's numbers if the military meddling hadn't transitioned from full invasions to drone strikes, air strike, covert ops. So, there's a win for ya.

[ChumpDumper]

Draw a line from 2008 to 2016. Nothing to brag about.

It would've looked like Dubya's numbers if the military meddling hadn't transitioned from full invasions to drone strikes, air strike, covert ops. So, there's a win for ya.You were wrong.

You can't talk your way out of it.

[Will Hunting]

Draw a line from 2008 to 2016. Nothing to brag about.

It would've looked like Dubya's numbers if the military meddling hadn't transitioned from full invasions to drone strikes. So, there's a win for ya.

1) It's still an increase though, which proves your original statement wrong. Do you admit your original statement about median income decreasing under Obama was wrong, or are you moving the goal posts again?
2) The line from 2008 to 2016 would still be better than the median income growth shown by your party of choice, so in that sense it's absolutely something to brag about (that'll be especially true when we see median income growth for Trump's 1st term :lmao)
3) 2017 was Obama's budget year. It was his policy, negotiating with congress, tax plan, etc., that went into the country's 2017 budget. You don't get to reassign credit for that fiscal year just because it helps your argument.

[Spurtacular]

1) It's still an increase though, which proves your original statement wrong. Do you admit your original statement about median income decreasing under Obama was wrong, or are you moving the goal posts again?
2) The line from 2008 to 2016 would still be better than the median income growth shown by your party of choice, so in that sense it's absolutely something to brag about (that'll be especially true when we see median income growth for Trump's 1st term :lmao)
3) 2017 was Obama's budget year. It was his policy, negotiating with congress, tax plan, etc., that went into the country's 2017 budget. You don't get to reassign credit for that fiscal year just because it helps your argument.

Sure, I was off by a year. Median income went up the last two years of Obama. I had rounded down the last year. Giving him 2017 is a bit weak, but if you want to see it that way, that's fine.

A $2000 dip from 2009 to 2014 is godawful. That should never be something we just accept and make excuses for.

If you want to give Obama credit for not totally fucking it up the final few years to try and set up Hillary with something, then :lolK.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao still litigating

[Will Hunting]

Sure, I was off by a year. Median income went up the last two years of Obama.
No, you were off by two years. 2015 median income was still higher than 2008/2009.


Giving him 2017 is a bit weak, but if you want to see it that way, that's fine.
It's not really, a president's last budget year is always the year he leaves office. 2017 was his tax plan and his budget. Trump's oligarch tax plan didn't take effect until 2018, he shouldn't get to use Obama's 2017 growth to inflate the averages for his abortion of a 1st term.


A $2000 dip from 2009 to 2014 is godawful. That should never be something we just accept and make excuses for.
What should he have done differently? Be specific. Don't say pass a bigger stimulus package, he wanted to do that and McConnell filibustered it. I think he should have said fuck you to McConnell and used the nuclear option.


If you want to give Obama credit for not totally fucking it up the final few years to try and set up Hillary with something, then :lolK.
I'm giving Obama credit for being better than conservatives are at generating income growth for working class Americans. That's it. The fact conservatives set the bar so low by destroying the income levels of middle class Americans isn't Obama's fault.

[Reck]

Derp is actually winning by losing.

The more you engage him the more he'll post like a maniac.

[GB20]

Here ya go Derp, using your numbers.

Spoiler alert, you're still fucking retarded :lmao

https://i.ibb.co/d2xZJZS/Median-Income-3.png
I am telling you man. Trump’s supporter are fucking retarded.

[Will Hunting]

Here is an updated graph with added commentary so the simple folks can more easily understand:

https://i.ibb.co/PG13jx2/Median-Income-5.png

[Ef-man]

Like Trump dumping and distancing from Steve Bannon, I found out that the forum’s conservative super-friends have stopped returning derps PMs and will no longer respond to his beacon calls for halp.

[Spurtacular]

It's not really, a president's last budget year is always the year he leaves office. 2017 was his tax plan and his budget. Trump's oligarch tax plan didn't take effect until 2018, he shouldn't get to use Obama's 2017 growth to inflate the averages for his abortion of a 1st term.

Policies have immediate effects. I have no doubt that you heard the line about slow moving parts that we all did in public education factory.

[Will Hunting]

Policies have immediate effects. I have no doubt that you heard the line about slow moving parts that we all did in public education factory.
:lol selectively responding to only that part of my post.

What policies did Trump put in place to contribute to the 2017 income growth? He spent most of his time in 2017 tripping over his dick trying to repeal Obamacare, and once it got cock blocked he moved on to cutting taxes for rich people in 2018. Neither one had any impact on the income growth in 2017.

[Spurtacular]

What should he have done differently? Be specific. Don't say pass a bigger stimulus package, he wanted to do that and McConnell filibustered it. I think he should have said fuck you to McConnell and used the nuclear option.

The crony capitalism didn't work. Come to terms.

[Spurtacular]

I'm giving Obama credit for being better than conservatives are at generating income growth for working class Americans. That's it. The fact conservatives set the bar so low by destroying the income levels of middle class Americans isn't Obama's fault.

Well, you get what you pay for. If you can live with five years of regression, they'll gladly give it to you.

[Will Hunting]

The crony capitalism didn't work. Come to terms.
I never said it did, I asked you what he should have done differently and you can't provide an answer. I already provided one - he should have gone nuclear on the McConnell filibuster with a huge stimulus package and paid for it by taxing rich people.

Crony capitalism is capitalism. The goal in capitalism is to maximize profits, if you can do that by lobbying and influencing a government that's been hamstrung by conservative deregulation, you're going to since it's in the best interest of your shareholders. If you hate crony capitalism then you hate capitalism.

[Will Hunting]

Well, you get what you pay for. If you can live with five years of regression, they'll gladly give it to you.
The alternative is perpetual regression. You're being disingenuous pretending that I ever said the economic recovery was great. If the conservatives offered me a candidate whose policy would improve the life of median Americans more than the democrats' policy does, I'd vote for that conservative.

[Spurtacular]

The alternative is perpetual regression.

Not really. Prosperity has a historical upward trend.

[Ef-man]

Not really. Prosperity has a historical upward trend.

Unless there is Republican president, per your information.

[Will Hunting]

Not really. Prosperity has a historical upward trend.
Not when conservatives are president :lol

[Ef-man]

Not when conservatives are president :lol

Jinx

[Ef-man]

Derp, the gift that keeps on giving.

[Spurtacular]

Not when conservatives are president :lol

Obama's first five years were not conservative at all.

[Will Hunting]

Obama's first five years were not conservative at all.
They absolutely were. Tax cuts central. Once Obama said fuck you to McConnell and let the conservative Bush tax cuts expire, median income skyrocketed.

What about GHWB and GWB? Were they not conservative either :lmao

[Spurtacular]

What about GHWB and GWB? Were they not conservative either :lmao

Bush I raised taxes. Bush II was not financially conservative whatsoever. So, no. Clinton has a case for being more conservative than them.

[Will Hunting]

Bush I raised taxes. Bush II was not financially conservative whatsoever. So, no. Clinton has a case for being more conservative than them.
:lol so you're basically just redefining who's conservative and liberal based off whether incomes grew or decreased during their presidency

[Ef-man]

:lol so you're basically just redefining who's conservative and liberal based off whether incomes grew or decreased during their presidency

The old moving goal posts shtick.

He even said bin Laden was a CIA asset to argue Obama was bad for ordering his take down.

Say anything troll.

But get mightily spanked anyways.

[Spurtacular]

:lol so you're basically just redefining who's conservative and liberal based off whether incomes grew or decreased during their presidency

Conservative measures tend to foster prosperity.

[Winehole23]

another comprehensive beclowning.

it is amazing how often Spurtacular wormholes become flamboyant self owns.

[DMX7]

Conservative measures tend to foster prosperity.

lol, spoken during the middle of the worst recession since the great depression.

[Will Hunting]

Conservative measures tend to foster prosperity.
That's fortune cookie wisdom. You've provided no evidence of it. Certainly voting for the conservative presidential candidate doesn't foster prosperity.

[Spurtacular]

That's fortune cookie wisdom. You've provided no evidence of it. Certainly voting for the conservative presidential candidate doesn't foster prosperity.

Adam Smith. Wealth Of Nations.

[Will Hunting]

Adam Smith. Wealth Of Nations.
Yeah that's an author and a book, not an argument. It's flimsy economic theory from before the industrial revolution and digital age that doesn't contemplate the ramifications labor being replaced by capital over time.

Do you have any empirical evidence from the last 100 years where a society has had a prosperous middle class through conservative trickle down economics?

You conservatives really do fall apart quickly when asked to present an argument with evidence.

[Spurtacular]

Yeah that's an author and a book, not an argument. It's flimsy economic theory from before the industrial revolution and digital age that doesn't contemplate the ramifications labor being replaced by capital over time.

Do you have any empirical evidence from the last 100 years where a society has had a prosperous middle class through conservative trickle down economics?

You conservatives really do fall apart quickly when asked to present an argument with evidence.

It was gold when it was published; it's gold now. Easily the most cited book on economics.

[Spurtacular]

lol, spoken during the middle of the worst recession since the great depression.

The Great Depression; that ERA OF LIBERAL OPPRESSION.

[Will Hunting]

It was gold when it was published; it's gold now. Easily the most cited book on economics.
Yeah, I agree it's cited by rich people who need to appeal to an authority to justify their low taxes.

Still waiting for actual empirical evidence.

[Ef-man]

And like a cheap suit, derp folds.

Math, figures, statistics, all liberal hoax.

1+1 does not equal 2

[Spurtacular]

Yeah, I agree it's cited by rich people who need to appeal to an authority to justify their low taxes.

Still waiting for actual empirical evidence.

I've yet to see the system that stops people from getting filthy rich.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1296964682658578439?s=19

lmao

[Reck]

The bot comes in to distract with some of his usual nonsense.

lol plagiarism.

[ElNono]

Adam Smith. Wealth Of Nations.


It was gold when it was published; it's gold now. Easily the most cited book on economics.

It's probably one of the oldest economic books on capitalism, and was certainly very popular in it's heyday... stopped being relevant more or less about 150 years ago (which is not bad, it had a solid run for a century).

It's still a good read to get the basics of a capitalist economy. It just hasn't aged well considering how the economy has transformed, especially after the industrial revolution.

[ElNono]

Conservative measures tend to foster prosperity.

This is pure dogma... as such, it will be left unexplained.

[Will Hunting]

This is pure dogma... as such, it will be left unexplained.
All conservative economic theory is fortune cookie dogma that's never backed up by evidence.

"Conservatism fostures prosperity!"

"A rising tide lifts all the boats!"

[ChumpDumper]

Conservative measures tend to foster prosperity.They just led to our current depression.

[Spurtacular]

It's probably one of the oldest economic books on capitalism, and was certainly very popular in it's heyday... stopped being relevant more or less about 150 years ago (which is not bad, it had a solid run for a century).

It's still a good read to get the basics of a capitalist economy. It just hasn't aged well considering how the economy has transformed, especially after the industrial revolution.

I didn't know Chumpettes were taught the narrative that The Industrial Revolution somehow canceled out Adam Smith's wise words.

But :lol at learning this from you and Will.

[Will Hunting]

I didn't know Chumpettes were taught the narrative that The Industrial Revolution somehow canceled out Adam Smith's wise words.

But :lol at learning this from you and Will.
Empirical evidence definitely cancels out words.

You still haven't provided any empirical evidence.

[ChumpDumper]

I didn't know Chumpettes were taught the narrative that The Industrial Revolution somehow canceled out Adam Smith's wise words.

But :lol at learning this from you and Will.You're really quite put out when others are more knowledgeable than you.

[Spurtacular]

This is pure dogma... as such, it will be left unexplained.

:lol "dogma"

No, shutting down economies because healthy people might catch a cold is pure dogma.

TheGreatYacht

[Spurtacular]

You're really quite put out when others are more knowledgeable than you.

BlakeBlaker

Let's be honest, we may call them Chumpettes after you. But you're just not top of the heap. :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

BlakeBlaker

Let's be honest, we may call them Chumpettes after you. But you're just not top of the heap. :lmaoLet's be honest. No one gives a shit about the hierarchy of your enemies list.

And none of that has anything to do with your insecurity.

[Ef-man]

:lol "dogma"

No, shutting down economies because healthy people might catch a cold is pure dogma.

TheGreatYacht

TGY - halp me, halp me!!!

Preach plandemic, preach, halp me, halp me!

Am drowning here without you or facts, halp me, halp me!

Lord Trump, I promise to not wear masks, I promise to watch OAN religiously, and I promise to drink clorox bleach if you halp me!

Oh woe is me.

#save.me.super-friends

:lmao

[Ef-man]

BlakeBlaker

Let's be honest, we may call them Chumpettes after you. But you're just not top of the heap. :lmao

KarrinS: Pick me, pick me!

[ChumpDumper]

KarrinS: Pick me, pick me!It's insane how much Blake damaged this dude.

[Will Hunting]

It's insane how much Blake damaged this dude.
What is it that Blake did to him to make him think everyone he argues with is Blake?

[ElNono]

All conservative economic theory is fortune cookie dogma that's never backed up by evidence.

"Conservatism fostures prosperity!"

"A rising tide lifts all the boats!"

Not all of it, but a solid part of it.

[Will Hunting]

Not all of it, but a solid part of it.
The part that concerns how the middle class/poor benefit from conservative economic policy is definitely all dogma.

[ChumpDumper]

What is it that Blake did to him to make him think everyone he argues with is Blake?I really don't know. All I know is if you clown derp once, you're on his enemies list for life and he'll cry out for you in the night.

It's so weird.

[DarrinS]

All conservative economic theory is fortune cookie dogma that's never backed up by evidence.

"Conservatism fostures prosperity!"

"A rising tide lifts all the boats!"


Isn't that JFK?

[ElNono]

I didn't know Chumpettes were taught the narrative that The Industrial Revolution somehow canceled out Adam Smith's wise words.

But :lol at learning this from you and Will.

I didn't say it canceled it, I actually said it's still a decent read for the basics in capitalism.

What I said is that concept of an economy changed drastically from the industrial revolution to here, and thus books from the late 1700 clearly fail to reflect modern economic constructs.

It wasn't just the industrial revolution, but also globalization, the move to a fiat economy, the heavy commercialization of non-tangible property, the radical improvements in transport and technology, etc.

[Ef-man]

It's insane how much Blake damaged this dude.

Maybe because Blake told him, “derp, I am your father. I forgot to go to the pharmacy and 9 months later, boom, there you are.”

[DMX7]

The Great Depression; that ERA OF LIBERAL OPPRESSION.

The Great Depression started under Hoover (conservative) and ended under FDR (liberal). Get educated.

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe because Blake told him, “derp, I am your father. I forgot to go to the pharmacy and 9 months later, boom, there you are.”derp does seem to have daddy issues....

[Ef-man]

And on cue...

KarrinS: Derp, pick me, pick me!

[ElNono]

:lol "dogma"

No, shutting down economies because healthy people might catch a cold is pure dogma.

TheGreatYacht

No, actually, that's science, which is what you're laughing at.

This isn't the first pandemic we face either, even if you were not born for the last big one.

Also not the first time the economy ends up shambles during a pandemic, shut down economy or not.

[ElNono]

It's insane how much Blake damaged this dude.

Not sure what caused it, but Blake is so far up his ass is ridiculous. He's even dedicated multiple threads to him...

[Ef-man]

derp does seem to have daddy issues....

:lmao

Think his mama beat him up for using wire coat hangers too ?

[Will Hunting]

Isn't that JFK?
He used it in the context of a public works project, so no, definitely not how he used it.

[ElNono]

The part that concerns how the middle class/poor benefit from conservative economic policy is definitely all dogma.

Trickle down, especially in modern times, definitely is.

Now, the business cycle, money supply, deficits and inflation, etc... that's much more debatable...

[Ef-man]

He used it in the context of a public works project, so no, definitely not how he used it.

And with your comments, you have dashed KarrinS’ hope of ever joining derp’s super-friends.

Oh the humanity.

[Spurtacular]

The Great Depression started under Hoover (conservative) and ended under FDR (liberal). Get educated.

I am educated. That's why I know that a sh** president like FDR couldn't get the same GDP in 1933 that Americans enjoyed in 1924.

There's nobody that historically equals that inferiority. NOBODY.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao

Think his mama beat him up for using wire coat hangers too ?To be fair, they fucked up derp's dresses.

https://www.metroweekly.com/articles/attachments/2012-02-23_feature_story_7086_6996.jpg

Oh snap-- that's why he goes on and on about trannies.

[Ef-man]

To be fair, they fucked up derp's dresses.

https://www.metroweekly.com/articles/attachments/2012-02-23_feature_story_7086_6996.jpg

Oh snap-- that's why he goes on and on about trannies.

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

I am educated. That's why I know that a sh** president like FDR couldn't get the same GDP in 1933 that Americans enjoyed in 1924.:lolHe wasn't even president until March.

What were you expecting?

[Will Hunting]

:lolHe wasn't even president until March.

What were you expecting?
He doesn't understand how budgets and policy works. 1933 would have been a year where budgets and policy were still largely controlled by Hoover.

[ChumpDumper]

He doesn't understand how budgets and policy works. 1933 would have been a year where budgets and policy were still largely controlled by Hoover.And you just explained this to him a couple hours ago.:lmao

[Ef-man]

I am educated. That's why I know that a sh** president like FDR couldn't get the same GDP in 1933 that Americans enjoyed in 1924.

There's nobody that historically equals that inferiority. NOBODY.

Oh lord, here we go again.

Great depression president, guess which political party?

[Will Hunting]

Oh lord, here we go again.

Great depression president, guess which political party?
I think Derp is one of those conservatives who think FDR became president in 1933 and somehow caused the 1929 Great Depression.

[Spurtacular]

:lolHe wasn't even president until March.

What were you expecting?

I wouldn't expect much. Two years later, GDP was still below pre-crash GDP.

[ElNono]

I think Derp is one of those conservatives who think FDR became president in 1933 and somehow caused the 1929 Great Depression.

If there were airports during the Revolutionary War, anything can happen, tbh

[Ef-man]

I think Derp is one of those conservatives who think FDR became president in 1933 and somehow caused the 1929 Great Depression.

Yup, and Obama was president responsible for 9/11.

Dang those educated conservatives.

[Spurtacular]

He doesn't understand how budgets and policy works. 1933 would have been a year where budgets and policy were still largely controlled by Hoover.

I think Chumpettes are people who think govt. doesn't initiate calamities to orchestrate large-scale swindles.

[ChumpDumper]

I wouldn't expect much. Two years later, GDP was still below pre-crash GDP.That's how depressions work.

[ChumpDumper]

I think Chumpettes are people who think govt. doesn't initiate calamities to orchestrate large-scale swindles.What's your Great Depression conspiracy theory?

I bet it involves your folding.

[Will Hunting]

I wouldn't expect much. Two years later, GDP was still below pre-crash GDP.
https://fortunly.com/statistics/us-gdp-by-year-guide/#gref

In 1934, 1935 and 1936, GDP grew 10.8%, 8.9% and 12.9%, respectively, after 4 consecutive years of decline with Mr. austerity Herbert Hoover as president :lmao

[Ef-man]

I think Chumpettes are people who think govt. doesn't initiate calamities to orchestrate large-scale swindles.

Please, dont think too much. My sides hurt from laughter.

:lmao

[Spurtacular]

https://fortunly.com/statistics/us-gdp-by-year-guide/#gref

In 1934, 1935 and 1936, GDP grew 10.8%, 8.9% and 12.9%, respectively, after 4 consecutive years of decline with Mr. austerity Herbert Hoover as president :lmao

How did this not stop the Depression from returning in 37 and 38 (-3.3 % GDP)?

[Ef-man]

Keep goggling derp, keep goggling.

You have not reached bottom yet.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao derp's single-person economy theory.

[Ef-man]

Polio was a plandemic too and FDR was milking it to get more votes?

[Will Hunting]

How did this not stop the Depression from returning in 37 and 38 (-3.3 % GDP)?
FDR fucked up and started to scale back a lot of the New Deal spending in 1937 thinking the country was ready for it.

[ElNono]

:lmao derp's single-person economy theory.

I don't know that is funny... and it's certainly not rare either. This is one reason why rich people get richer, tbh...

[Ef-man]

FDR fucked up and started to scale back a lot of the New Deal spending in 1937 thinking the country was ready for it.

Dont help the derp with facts!

Dont listen derp. FDR was antifa and he did not support the good people in Germany at the time.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't know that is funny... and it's certainly not rare either. This is one reason why rich people get richer, tbh...I was speaking more than one person is the only thing that can possibly influence the economy of the US.

[Spurtacular]

FDR fucked up and started to scale back a lot of the New Deal spending in 1937 thinking the country was ready for it.

Nothing to do with the 36 tax hikes, huh?

Convenient.

[Will Hunting]

Nothing to do with the 36 tax hikes, huh?

Convenient.
Nope, nothing to do with that. History has proven that hiking taxes on your oligarch overlords strengthens the economy. That's why Clinton did it in 1993 and Obama let tax cuts expire in 2013.

[ElNono]

Biggest economic expansion and prosperity in this country was post-WWII, with taxes way up there, and a debt/GDP ratio north of 50%...

[Ef-man]

Nope, nothing to do with that. History has proven that hiking taxes on your oligarch overlords strengthens the economy. That's why Clinton did it in 1993 and Obama let tax cuts expire in 2013.

Please, let the derp dig some more, no more facts.

I have family in hysterics with derp digging.

Great entertainment during the “plandemic.”

[ElNono]

Nope, nothing to do with that. History has proven that hiking taxes on your oligarch overlords strengthens the economy. That's why Clinton did it in 1993 and Obama let tax cuts expire in 2013.

Shhh... I mean, we're on the gravy train now, don't wake people up...

[Spurtacular]

Nope, nothing to do with that. History has proven that hiking taxes on your oligarch overlords strengthens the economy. That's why Clinton did it in 1993 and Obama let tax cuts expire in 2013.

History proves it as long as we're willing to overlook that little great depression in 37 and 38 and who knows what else. :lol

[Will Hunting]

who knows what else.
You clearly don't, otherwise you'd be using them as examples.

[Spurtacular]

Biggest economic expansion and prosperity in this country was post-WWII, in spite of taxes way up there, and a debt/GDP ratio north of 50%...

FIFY

[Spurtacular]

You clearly don't, otherwise you'd be using them as examples.

:lmao As if ignoring a depression is not enough?

[ChumpDumper]

History proves it as long as we're willing to overlook that little great depression in 37 and 38 and who knows what else. :lol
You ignored the numbers you posted yourself.

[Ef-man]

How did this not stop the Depression from returning in 37 and 38 (-3.3 % GDP)?

Self-goal and who knows what.

[Ef-man]

You ignored the numbers you posted yourself.

Jinx

[Will Hunting]

:lmao As if ignoring a depression is not enough?
I didn't ignore it. I already gave an explanation.

I've provided a lot more than 1 example of economic prosperity immediately following tax increases and economic calamity following tax cuts.

The highest tax rate pre-depression was 25% in 1929. Why did the economy crash if tax rates were so low? Also, why did GDP go up from 1934-1937 even though top tax rate went up to 63%? Wouldn't an increase from 25% to 63% crater the economy?

Do you want me to make another chart to explain it better? I’m always willing to help the less intelligent.

[ElNono]

FIFY

How could it be in spite? According to conservative dogma taxes are an integral part of the economy. Either job killing or job creators.

I also forgot to mention strong unions during that period.

[Ef-man]

Goggle more derp

Tells us how the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor and how we did not quit.

(Note: This is in reference to movie “Animal House” should you google it and want to prove a point to save your dignity as an educated person.)

[Ef-man]

Will he fold or say “nyet” like trump and ask for Russian assistance or who knows what else?

[Spurtacular]

How could it be in spite? According to conservative dogma taxes are an integral part of the economy. Either job killing or job creators.

I also forgot to mention strong unions during that period.

That's liberal dogma, son. You're getting confused.

[Ef-man]

That's liberal dogma, son. You're getting confused.

And like that, the goal posts change. Magic.

[Will Hunting]

That's liberal dogma, son.

No dogma here son:

https://i.ibb.co/PG13jx2/Median-Income-5.png

[Spurtacular]

No dogma here son:

https://i.ibb.co/PG13jx2/Median-Income-5.png


I thought the two multi-trillion dollar wars were responsible for the Dubya's weak numbers. I wish you guys would make up your minds. :lol

[Will Hunting]

I thought the two multi-trillion dollar wars were responsible for the Dubya's weak numbers. I wish you guys would make up your minds. :lol
Where did I say anything about the Iraq War in this thread? Pretty sure I said all along that tax cuts and deregulation were the cause of his weak numbers.

[Spurtacular]

Let's be honest. No one gives a shit about the hierarchy of your enemies list.

And none of that has anything to do with your insecurity.

:lmao You're so low in the pecking order.
:lmao NPC fuming.

[Spurtacular]

Where did I say anything about the Iraq War in this thread? Pretty sure I said all along that tax cuts and deregulation were the cause of his weak numbers.

Oh, so you think those numbers wouldn't have been no better without the wars, let alone 911?

[Ef-man]

Where did I say anything about the Iraq War in this thread? Pretty sure I said all along that tax cuts and deregulation were the cause of his weak numbers.

derp: But, but, but the liberals, the liberals are bad, bad.

[Will Hunting]

Oh, so you think those numbers wouldn't have been no better without the wars, let alone 911?
No, I don’t. I think the wars were stupid for a number of other reasons, but I don’t understand whatever you’re trying to argue here.

[Spurtacular]

No, I don’t. I think the wars were stupid for a number of other reasons, but I don’t understand whatever you’re trying to argue here.

Then you don't understand even the simplest of economic concepts such as opportunity cost.

You're kind of embarrassing yourself (further) at this point.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao You're so low in the pecking order.
:lmao NPC fuming.:lmao admitting you have an enemies list on a message board.
:lmao you're insane, derp.

[Will Hunting]

Then you don't understand even the simplest of economic concepts such as opportunity cost.

You're kind of embarrassing yourself (further) at this point.
Another vague declaration of victory without any arguments or evidence.

[Spurtacular]

Another vague declaration of victory without any arguments or evidence.

Spending money on death and destruction is supposed to be better than the alternatives?

Hard stuff, Will.

[Will Hunting]

Spending money on death and destruction is supposed to be better than the alternatives?

Hard stuff, Will.
What alternatives? They put the wars on the ol government credit card and deficit spent to finance the wars.. It’s not like the money used in Iraq would have gone somewhere else, they just wouldn’t have spent it.

[Ef-man]

No, I don’t. I think the wars were stupid for a number of other reasons, but I don’t understand whatever you’re trying to argue here.

No even the super-friends understand him but it is just a conservative thing that they not ostracize him.

[Spurtacular]

What alternatives? They put the wars on the ol government credit card and deficit spent to finance the wars.. It’s not like the money used in Iraq would have gone somewhere else, they just wouldn’t have spent it.

Yea, buying on credit can't hurt anything, amirite?

:lol Is Will short for Willful?

:lmao Willfully ignoring basic economic principles.

[Ef-man]

Spending money on death and destruction is supposed to be better than the alternatives?

Hard stuff, Will.

Alternative facts, perhaps?

[Will Hunting]

Yea, buying on credit can't hurt anything, amirite?

:lol Is Will short for Willful?

:lmao Willfully ignoring basic economic principles.
So explain it to me, how did the War in Iraq contribute to the financial crisis?

[Spurtacular]

So explain it to me, how did the War in Iraq contribute to the financial crisis?

The financial crisis is more rooted in other corruption than the wars. That said, this isn't an argument that 9/11 and the wars didn't hurt the bottom line.
I should think they did.

[Ef-man]

So explain it to me, how did the War in Iraq contribute to the financial crisis?

:lol

Waiting for derp to self-goal, it does not get better than this!

Am dying of laugher here...

[Will Hunting]

The financial crisis is more rooted in other corruption than the wars.
:lmao

[Ef-man]

The financial crisis is more rooted in other corruption than the wars. That said, this isn't an argument that 9/11 and the wars didn't hurt the bottom line.
I should think they did.

Mix credits with debits, add wars and corruption, Bob’s your uncle, like magic, there you are.

Any easier or does he have to BS some more?

He can dance all night and move the goal posts if you want?

[Ef-man]

:lmao

Jinx

[ElNono]

That's liberal dogma, son. You're getting confused.

lol no. You were bitching about taxes just 10 posts above this one.

[Ef-man]

Super-friends, halp, halp, i see you logged on TGY, your name is on bottom of screen, halp me, halp me.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao

You think the housing crisis and big bank failures were about the wars and nothing else?

Going full blake is never a good look, son. Compose yourself.

It's okay though. I think you're just rattled. You're not a twat like others on here.

[ElNono]

So explain it to me, how did the War in Iraq contribute to the financial crisis?

This is the problem with dogma, once confronted with actual facts, it's run for the hills, grab whatever excuse and throw it out there.

Let me tell you what he really means: "I have no idea, but I won't admit to it"

[Ef-man]

lol no. You were bitching about taxes just 10 posts above this one.

Derp: take some liberals, some dogma, taxes, Bob’s your uncle, and there you are, confused.

Any easier or does he have to BS some more?

He can dance all night and move the goal posts if you want?

[Ef-man]

This is the problem with dogma, once confronted with actual facts, it's run for the hills, grab whatever excuse and throw it out there.

Let me tell you what he really means: "I have no idea, but I won't admit to it"

Jinx

[ChumpDumper]

blake
:lol derp, you're obsessed.

[ElNono]

You think the housing crisis and big bank failures were about the wars and nothing else?

Going full blake is never a good look, son. Compose yourself.

It's okay though. I think you're just rattled. You're not a twat like others on here.

You brought up the wars yourself ITT to deflect dubya's poor numbers, and now you're saying the wars were not the main factor.

Sort your thoughts, then string them together...

[Ef-man]

:lol derp, you're obsessed.

Them alternate facts, a hell of a drug.



:lol

[Will Hunting]

You think the housing crisis and big bank failures were about the wars and nothing else?.
I already said they had little to nothing to do with the wars. My :lmao was at you contradicting yourself after your original stance was gibberish about the wars and opportunity cost.

[Will Hunting]

You brought up the wars yourself ITT to deflect dubya's poor numbers, and now you're saying the wars were not the main factor.

Sort your thoughts, then string them together...
:lmao I’ve never seen a bigger example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect than Derp.

[ChumpDumper]

Sort your thoughts, then string them together...https://media.giphy.com/media/iD6Xk8BfSdqtwRVTWa/giphy.gif

[Ef-man]

:lmao I’ve never seen a bigger example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect than Derp.

Can you draw a chart for derp on this? You know, for the less intelligent.

[Spurtacular]

I already said they had little to nothing to do with the wars. My :lmao was at you contradicting yourself after your original stance was gibberish about the wars and opportunity cost.

I've made no contradictions there. Get a hold of yourself.

[Will Hunting]

Can you draw a chart for derp on this? You know, for the less intelligent.
I already drew him a chart for this time period. He still hasn’t told me if he wants one for the 30s/40s.

[Will Hunting]

Oh, so you think those numbers wouldn't have been no better without the wars, let alone 911?


Spending money on death and destruction is supposed to be better than the alternatives?


The financial crisis is more rooted in other corruption than the wars.
Here’s your contradiction Derp.

[Spurtacular]

You brought up the wars yourself ITT to deflect dubya's poor numbers, and now you're saying the wars were not the main factor.

Sort your thoughts, then string them together...

You're intentionally being vague in your recap.

I've said 911 and wars contributed to bad economic numbers? I doubt you disagree.
You're just jumping in desperate for a pretend w. Hard day at work?
It's the weekend though; plenty of time for you to get desperate, son. Save some humiliation for later.

[Spurtacular]

You brought up the wars yourself ITT to deflect dubya's poor numbers [overall economy], and now you're saying the wars were not the main factor [later economic crisis].

Yes, that's what I'm saying. It somehow doesn't sound crazy when the full context is included. Again, cheap recaps only reflect poorly on you.

[Spurtacular]

Here’s your contradiction Derp.

That's not a contradiction just because you want to make leaps.

An underwhelming economy doesn't have to directly lead to a gigantic financial crisis, obviously.

[Ef-man]

I already drew him a chart for this time period. He still hasn’t told me if he wants one for the 30s/40s.

Yes but obviously it did not work.

Use crayons with stick figures, simple word captions (e.g., good, bad), no numbers like for two year olds, but simpler.

[Spurtacular]

Yes but obviously it did not work.

Use crayons with stick figures, simple word captions (e.g., good, bad), no numbers like for two year olds, but simpler.

I honestly stopped paying much attention to your butt licker posts. But feel free to keep massaging my ankles.

[baseline bum]

https://fortunly.com/statistics/us-gdp-by-year-guide/#gref

In 1934, 1935 and 1936, GDP grew 10.8%, 8.9% and 12.9%, respectively, after 4 consecutive years of decline with Mr. austerity Herbert Hoover as president :lmao

https://thebasketballsociety.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/pniw21.gif

[ElNono]

You're intentionally being vague in your recap.

I've said 911 and wars contributed to bad economic numbers? I doubt you disagree.
You're just jumping in desperate for a pretend w. Hard day at work?
It's the weekend though; plenty of time for you to get desperate, son. Save some humiliation for later.

The problem is that you just don't know what you're talking about.

Dubya's first term was actually fairly good economically (as seen in the chart Will posted above), and that was with 9/11 happening and the wars going on.

What did dubya's economy in was the subprime mortgage crisis, which frankly pre-dated his government, but he did nothing to control.

[Ef-man]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. It somehow doesn't sound crazy when the full context is included. Again, cheap recaps only reflect poorly on you.

See Nono, any fool can understand this. Derp does and it reflects poorly on you for not being a fool.

TRY HARDER (caps for emphasis).

[ElNono]

There was a big drop in GDP in 2001 (dot com bursted, was still a positive GDP growth), if that's what you're asking... but from 2001 to 2004, the economy grew from 1% to almost 4%.

EDIT: what recap did I miss? The posts are still here and the previous page.

[Ef-man]

Am dying here.

Family does not believe me when I tell them derp comments.

Comedic self-goal.

(Added self and - before goal. Laughing and typing is hard.)

[ElNono]

Am dying here.

Family does not believe me when I tell them derp comments.

Comedic goal.

Look, I know you're having a good time, but everybody makes mistakes, tbh, it is what it is

[ElNono]

Anyways, I'm binge-watching this Dark series on Netflix... they really went to shit on Season 3... I'll catch up with the convo here later...

[Spurtacular]

Am dying here.

Family does not believe me when I tell them derp comments.

Comedic self-goal.

(Added self and - before goal. Laughing and typing is hard.)

I imagine they say whatever they have to say to shut you up and get you back on your play toy and stop bothering them. :lmao

[DMX7]

https://thebasketballsociety.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/pniw21.gif

Oh what a perfect metaphor. Spurtacular is definitely the Chris Dudley of Spurstalk. Always getting dunked on badly.

[Slob]

I imagine they say whatever they have to say to shut you up and get you back on your play toy and stop bothering them. :lmao

https://media1.tenor.com/images/66e497c19dc88e71bf99daaf198284da/tenor.gif?itemid=5011214

[ChumpDumper]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/66e497c19dc88e71bf99daaf198284da/tenor.gif?itemid=5011214You can tell when you've broken derp. He has to get his own alts to help.

[Spurtacular]

You can tell when you've broken derp. He has to get his own alts to help.

:lol Comforting your personal butt licker.

[Winehole23]

How did this not stop the Depression from returning in 37 and 38 (-3.3 % GDP)?FDR cut spending too soon.

[Spurtacular]

FDR cut spending too soon.

People like you never dig into the real history.

[ChumpDumper]

People like you never dig into the real history.What's the real history?

Drop det knowledge you're so proud of you fold every time you're asked for it.