The debates thread

[Trainwreck2100]

Fine with me. Let Trump spend the next 2 weeks talking about how Biden wants to lower carbon emissions and phase out our beloved oil industry. The election can be a referendum on whether the country believes climate change is real.

45% of the country don't believe the coronavirus is real

[Will Hunting]

Then you'd think a Tesla would be the most sold vehicle in the US, rather than Ford trucks
The market certainly thinks Tesla is going to be eating into a big chunk of Ford's market share over the next 10 years.

[DarrinS]

You mist be extra drunk tonight if you think this was a solid point :lmao

English please

[Reck]

Is that what he said?

Complete with a smirk. Just for your pleasure.

[Trill Clinton]

Is that what he said?

Yes

[DarrinS]

45% of the country don't believe the coronavirus is real

Link?

[DarrinS]

Yes

No he didn't

[Will Hunting]

Ford has a $33 billion market cap and Tesla has a $400 billion market cap. Not a whole lot of people are betting that Ford is going to be more popular than Tesla over the long term :lol

[Reck]

Trump was so flustered he forgot to bring up court packing again.

[Spurtacular]

Reck (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14412)

Yea, watching one clip after another of Biden saying he'll ban fracking.

Each time, no caveat of on federal grounds.

I'm guessing there's one out there that Joe is pointing to and dishonestly attributing his position to it.

But overall, he consistently said he was against fracking before he decided he wasn't against banning it to try and win Pennsylvania.

[pgardn]

Then you'd think a Tesla would be the most sold vehicle in the US, rather than Ford trucks

Electric will overtake gas powered cars.
just a matter of time.
it will happen in my lifetime for sure.

[Chris]

:lmao :lmao :lmao

Here come the Twitter polls


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gotheem

[Will Hunting]

gotheem
That wasn't a twitter poll, try again :lol

[Spurtacular]

:lol the only people ITT who support oil are you, snakeboy and Karrin. All full blown MAGAtards. No one outside the Fox News/OAN bubble fawns over the oil industry the way you do.

Of course I support oil. We all use oil.

[Ef-man]

That wasn't a twitter poll, try again :lol

:lmao

Gotheem

[Reck]

Reck (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14412)

Yea, watching one clip after another of Biden saying he'll ban fracking.

Each time, no caveat of on federal grounds.

I'm guessing there's one out there that Joe is pointing to and dishonestly attributing his position to it.

But overall, he consistently said he was against fracking before he decided he wasn't against banning it to try and win Pennsylvania.

So basically a wash. Next contention point...

[DarrinS]

Electric will overtake gas powered cars.
just a matter of time.
it will happen in my lifetime for sure.


Can't wait to see how the California electric grid handles it.

[pgardn]

Reck (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14412)

Yea, watching one clip after another of Biden saying he'll ban fracking.

Each time, no caveat of on federal grounds.

I'm guessing there's one out there that Joe is pointing to and dishonestly attributing his position to it.

But overall, he consistently said he was against fracking before he decided he wasn't against banning it to try and win Pennsylvania.

Biden has already used this tActic

He won’t ban fracking on the whole.
No fn way.

[Trainwreck2100]

always funny when Luntz realizes his "undecided" voters are clearly decided

[Reck]

always funny when Luntz realizes his "undecided" voters are clearly decided

What are these thirsty fuckers saying?

[Trill Clinton]

No he didn't

Yes he did.

[Nathan89]

Reck (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14412)

Yea, watching one clip after another of Biden saying he'll ban fracking.

Each time, no caveat of on federal grounds.

I'm guessing there's one out there that Joe is pointing to and dishonestly attributing his position to it.

But overall, he consistently said he was against fracking before he decided he wasn't against banning it to try and win Pennsylvania.

There is one but general perception on that issue won't change because of it. He and his VP which will likely be president have already made statements on it.

[Will Hunting]

The people who think fracking jobs are sacred already vote Republican up and down the ballot. Biden didn't lose any voters by what he said, and he wouldn't have gained any voters by saying he's pro-fracking. He would have just pissed his base off.

[Spurminator]

gotheem

Poor stupid Qhris.

[DarrinS]

Yes he did.

I watched it. You lie.

[Trainwreck2100]

What are these thirsty fuckers saying?

Joe Biden didn't talk about his laptop, Joe Biden is a liar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xie2wCbrxGY

[Spurtacular]

oh well that changes everything.

You magnanimously give Biden credit for not being brain dead like you thought.
You have earned the respect of the board with your fairness. Sure thing.

Now go sit down.

:lol

Look I'd love to have called it a KO. And if I was at Chumpette level, I would.
But I have to call it how it is. Trump knocked Biden to the canvas a couple times
and landed a couple other equilibrium rattling blows. But he did not shred him
like I'd prefer. He especially wasted the Hunter Biden issue (though the moderator
ran interference there). And Biden got a couple okay shots too. Of course, you'd think
he might considering he surely had the subject matter in advance.

[pgardn]

Can't wait to see how the California electric grid handles it.

it’s easily done.
they just have to sort out how effed up their semipublic companies work

It’s more of a bureaucratic nightmare
Cables can be laid in the ground
it’s the same way with the oil industry and pipeline, a lot got done, more could be done if needed

[DarrinS]

The people who think fracking jobs are sacred already vote Republican up and down the ballot. Biden didn't lose any voters by what he said, and he wouldn't have gained any voters by saying he's pro-fracking. He would have just pissed his base off.


That thing you used to type this post: petroleum based

[Nathan89]

Electric will overtake gas powered cars.
just a matter of time.
it will happen in my lifetime for sure.

Definitely.

[Trill Clinton]

I watched it. You lie.

What did he say?

[Will Hunting]

That thing you used to type this post: petroleum based
:lmao what the fuck are you talking about

[pgardn]

:lol

Look I'd love to have called it a KO. And if I was at Chumpette level, I would.
But I have to call it how it is. Trump knocked Biden to the canvas a couple times
and landed a couple other equilibrium rattling blows. But he did not shred him
like I'd prefer. He especially wasted the Hunter Biden issue (though the moderator
ran interference there). And Biden got a couple okay shots too. Of course, you'd think
he might considering he surely had the subject matter in advance.

The hunter Biden issue is a fucking farce.
do you want your candidate to go down hard? you keep up with that and see what happens when they look into Donald Junior and Jared and Trump himself

[Reck]

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Interesting thread.

Trump actually lost favorability (-3) and biden gained 3. :lol

[Spurtacular]

The people who think fracking jobs are sacred already vote Republican up and down the ballot. Biden didn't lose any voters by what he said, and he wouldn't have gained any voters by saying he's pro-fracking. He would have just pissed his base off.

The math isn't on your side on this. The 180 is glaring. The Harris/Biden campaign in clear damage control mode.

[pgardn]

:lmao what the fuck are you talking about

probably plastics.

because San Antonio now has a good amount of wind power a little nuclear and a little solar

Texas absolutely is crushing it on wind power

[Will Hunting]

https://thenib.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/mister-gotcha-vs-the-green-new-deal-2-58c.jpg
:lmao

[Nathan89]

Nobody is saving shit with windmills and solar.

[DarrinS]

What did he say?


Not this



Trump saying it's good that 500 kids are separated from their parents should be all over the news in the morning.

[Spurtacular]

So basically a wash. Next contention point...

It's not a wash. Biden lied.

This is actually sad because he knew it was coming and that's the best his handlers could come up with.

[Winehole23]

Nobody is saving shit with windmills and solar.They're used because they're economically competitive, believe it or not.

[Trill Clinton]

Not this

What did you hear?

[weebo]

Reck (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14412)

Yea, watching one clip after another of Biden saying he'll ban fracking.

Each time, no caveat of on federal grounds.

I'm guessing there's one out there that Joe is pointing to and dishonestly attributing his position to it.

But overall, he consistently said he was against fracking before he decided he wasn't against banning it to try and win Pennsylvania.

:lol Still thinking the average American gives a frack about big oil

[FrostKing]

https://thenib.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/mister-gotcha-vs-the-green-new-deal-2-58c.jpg
Accurate

Trans freak with the sign. No blacks around unless it's a rally to ass kiss them.

[baseline bum]

Electric will overtake gas powered cars.
just a matter of time.
it will happen in my lifetime for sure.

Confident in your chances against The White House Virus?

[Trill Clinton]

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Even worse. Got dayum.

[Will Hunting]

Who is this bitch? Is there any reason she has inside info on the Trumps?

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[Reck]

Joe Biden didn't talk about his laptop, Joe Biden is a liar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xie2wCbrxGY

:lmao

That fat lady talking about molesting children.....and not caring about it. :lmao

[Spurtacular]

I haven't watched, but I'm told the moderator only allowed 30 seconds of discussion regarding Hunter.

I'd have to rewatch. In a certain context that could be true. But it was maybe but a eight to twelve minute window overall, the China/Russia stuff; but it was enough. I think Trump could've done a better job of making the case that the Bidens were running a mob-style family business to enrich themselves while compromising hard-working Americans' welfare.

[pgardn]

Nobody is saving shit with windmills and solar.

Windmills...

Do you know what a mill is?

[baseline bum]

probably plastics.

because San Antonio now has a good amount of wind power a little nuclear and a little solar

Texas absolutely is crushing it on wind power

Look at all our dead birbs tho

[ElNono]

https://thenib.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/mister-gotcha-vs-the-green-new-deal-2-58c.jpg

:lol

Reminds me when Darrin threw a fit because Obama was phasing out incandescent lightbulbs... turns out the world didn't end and the economy didn't tank.

[Trainwreck2100]

wtf one of these people just brought up molesting children

[pgardn]

Confident in your chances against The White House Virus?

Actually Yes.
But my dad and grandparents.... no.
They won’t get the Trump treatment.

[Spurtacular]

Damn, I was talking to Chumpettes at the time and missed it...

"Who built the cages, Joe? Who built the cages, Joe?"

Damn, Trump definitely knocked Biden to the canvas on that one.

[Spurtacular]

The hunter Biden issue is a fucking farce.
do you want your candidate to go down hard? you keep up with that and see what happens when they look into Donald Junior and Jared and Trump himself

Echo chamber position.

[Trainwreck2100]

:lmao

That fat lady talking about molesting children.....and not caring about it. :lmao

i had to fucking rewind that shit and make sure that's what was said

[SnakeBoy]

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[pgardn]

Look at all our dead birbs tho

God that argument and us exhaling CO2 (mono got that one) are just mind numbing stupid.

Plastics are a problem but they can be made both recyclable and biodegradable.

[Trill Clinton]

Trump definitely said “go ahead” to the moderator and not “good” to Biden’s point about the kids.

I just went back to listen and he did say go ahead.

[Spurtacular]

:lol Still thinking the average American gives a frack about big oil

It's clear to me that both campaigns realize it's a significant issue for Pennsylvanians.

[Will Hunting]

Yeah I tried watching these Luntz retards but can't do it. None of these people are undecided voters.

[pgardn]

Echo chamber position.

Go with it and die with it then dumbass.
Its laughable when Trumps relatives are or were on US GOVERNMENT PAYROLL.

[Spurtacular]

https://twitter.com/someknew/status/1319480053311258624?s=21

Very clearly says “go ahead” and not “good”. Trump did enough to bury himself tonight, no need to push a falsehood here.

There's a strong need clearly; or the left wouldn't do this stuff all the time. :lol

[Trainwreck2100]

No, he said no multiple times you fucking idiots

[Reck]

Yeah I tried watching these Luntz retards but can't do it. None of these people are undecided voters.

I lost a few IQ points.

These trumpsters want to talk about Hunter's Laptop so bad.

[Spurtacular]

Go with it and die with it then dumbass.
Its laughable when Trumps relatives are or were on US GOVERNMENT PAYROLL.

Equating the two situations is desperate.

[Spurtacular]

This message is hidden because Spurtacular is on your ignore list (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/profile.php?do=ignorelist).

https://i.imgur.com/Bay4ScE.gif

[weebo]

It's clear to me that both campaigns realize it's a significant issue for Pennsylvanians.

If the oil industry is so important to America, it really makes you wonder why Trump let oil prices collapse...

[Trainwreck2100]

Yeah I tried watching these Luntz retards but can't do it. None of these people are undecided voters.

Luntz got catfished hard

[pgardn]

Equating the two situations is desperate.

You are right.

Biden did not hire his son.


Idiot.

[Will Hunting]

It's not just that they're in no way undecided voters, they're all just so fucking stupid.

[Spurtacular]

If the oil industry is so important to America, it really makes you wonder why Trump let oil prices collapse...

What are you talking about? We're now a net exporter of oil and not a net importer.
He could've did things to make rich people richer at the expense of consumers, sure.
He did what voters wanted. Sort of the point at the end of the day, no?

[Nathan89]

Damn, I was talking to Chumpettes at the time and missed it...

"Who built the cages, Joe? Who built the cages, Joe?"

Damn, Trump definitely knocked Biden to the canvas on that one.

One of the best moments of the fight tbh

[Trainwreck2100]

It's not just that they're in no way undecided voters, they're all just so fucking stupid.
Honestly these are the people that give faces to the board morons here. Our country is full of these fucking idiots

[Reck]

It's not just that they're in no way undecided voters, they're all just so fucking stupid.

CNN's undecidetards on who won the debate:

Trump: No hands raised
Biden: 9 Hands raised (out of 17)

Still waiting on their who won poll.

[Will Hunting]

CNN has 11 "undecided" voters they're interviewing.

None say Trump won the debate, 9 say Biden won, and 2 said it was a draw. Yeah, that wasn't staged at all...not a fucking chance 11 random, truly undecided voters are that monolithic in agreeing on who won a debate.

[DarrinS]

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:lmao

[Spurtacular]

You are right.

Biden did not hire his son.


Idiot.

Yea, he did it all in darkness. :lol

[DarrinS]

CNN has 11 "undecided" voters they're interviewing.

None say Trump won the debate, 9 say Biden won, and 2 said it was a draw. Yeah, that wasn't staged at all...not a fucking chance 11 random, truly undecided voters are that monolithic in agreeing on who won a debate.

Seems legit

[Reck]

CNN's undecidetards on who won the debate:

Trump: No hands raised
Biden: 9 Hands raised (out of 17)

Still waiting on their who won poll.

53% say Biden won the debate according to fake news CNN.

[Spurtacular]

One of the best moments of the fight tbh

Damn. No telling how many Hispanic / progressive sympathizers Joe lost on that one.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOns7sumNUE

[Spurtacular]

53% say Biden won the debate according to fake news CNN.

They got hammered on their last fake debate poll so badly that they toned it down this time. :lol

[Reck]

Biden renaming of the Proud boys into the Poor Boys stuck. :lmao

[vy65]

I’m obviously voting Biden, and think he won the debate, but anyone who thinks the bit about oil was a net positive is absolutely kidding themselves

[weebo]

What are you talking about? We're now a net exporter of oil and not a net importer.
He could've did things to make rich people richer at the expense of consumers, sure.
He did what voters wanted. Sort of the point at the end of the day, no?



Fracking has yet to turn a profit:
https://www.investors.com/n...

It will never turn a profit at less than 90 dollars a barrel:
https://www.investopedia.co...

And BP says we have already passed peak oil consumption:
https://www.bp.com/en/globa...

Oil is a dying industry...experts agree ...its non renewable and not sustainable...renewable energy will create more jobs

[Reck]

They got hammered on their last fake debate poll so badly that they toned it down this time. :lol

No it was about right. Trump got such shitty marks that he actually improved this time.

[Reck]

I’m obviously voting Biden, and think he won the debate, but anyone who thinks the bit about oil was a net positive is absolutely kidding themselves

Is also not a negative.

[Will Hunting]

:lol 87% of the country is against oil subsidies, and Trump was bragging about them. Like I said, echo chamber.

[pgardn]

What are you talking about? We're now a net exporter of oil and not a net importer.
He could've did things to make rich people richer at the expense of consumers, sure.
He did what voters wanted. Sort of the point at the end of the day, no?

We we’re headed that way. Fracking started significant advances under Obama.
Trump just help get more land. Some unneeded imo. We did pass to net exporters under Trump but the oil industry was already well underway. Actually the bust that just occurred with gas prices just helped make fracking more efficient. Tough on jobs though, this efficiency through better technology.

[Will Hunting]

I’m obviously voting Biden, and think he won the debate, but anyone who thinks the bit about oil was a net positive is absolutely kidding themselves
Yeah, now Joe is going to lose all those staunch Democrats in Midland-Odessa :rolleyes

[Spurtacular]

Fracking has yet to turn a profit:
https://www.investors.com/n...

Did you think I wouldn't check the link?

This isn't about fracking. :lol

[Reck]

Did you think I wouldn't check the link?

This isn't about fracking. :lol

What is it about?

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/KyleKulinski/status/1319459805556334592?s=20

This why the debate doesn't help Trump and why perception is the biggest factor. The debate is really only source material for journalists and everyone knows they are shielding Biden.

[Spurtacular]

We we’re headed that way. Fracking started significant advances under Obama.
Trump just help get more land. Some unneeded imo. We did pass to net exporters under Trump but the oil industry was already well underway. Actually the bust that just occurred with gas prices just helped make fracking more efficient. Tough on jobs though, this efficiency through better technology.

Obama was forced to open it up or be a one-term president. He has/had taken adverse actions against American oil production.

[DarrinS]

:lol 87% of the country is against oil subsidies, and Trump was bragging about them. Like I said, echo chamber.

Subsidies are one thing. Phasing out, another.

[Spurtacular]

What is it about?

Why are you asking?

Click on the random link for yourself, tranny.

[Reck]

Subsidies are one thing. Phasing out, another.

Cant be done in 4 years. Or 8.

Biden will croak and long be dead for decades before it is actually phased out.

[Will Hunting]

Subsidies are one thing. Phasing out, another.
Which voters does Biden lose by saying he wants to phase oil out? Voters who think oil is vital and clean energy is the devil already vote Republican.

[pgardn]

Yea, he did it all in darkness. :lol

Links dumbass?

And you see in darkness because you are blind?
Nah, just incredibly stupid.
Go get the TSA fail.

[Reck]

Why are you asking?

Click on the random link for yourself, tranny.

I'm not turning adblock off for that.

[Will Hunting]

:lmao oh great, now Biden's campaign is back tracking and saying Biden doesn't want to phase oil out, just oil subsidies.

I take back everything I said, what a pussy.

[DarrinS]

Cant be done in 4 years. Or 8.

Biden will croak and long be dead for decades before it is actually phased out.

He's right at average life expectancy.

[pgardn]

Which voters does Biden lose by saying he wants to phase oil out? Voters who think oil is vital and clean energy is the devil already vote Republican.

Very few because it’s on its way to much less significance. But it has taken smog and people choking themselves with their city air. The bigger picture is climate change which Trumptards can’t handle because it’s a little more subtle. (No direct lung and breathing problems)

[Reck]

:lmao oh great, now Biden's campaign is back tracking and saying Biden doesn't want to phase oil out, just oil subsidies.

I take back everything I said, what a pussy.

Probably worried about his chances in Texas. Texas is that close.

[DarrinS]

:lmao oh great, now Biden's campaign is back tracking and saying Biden doesn't want to phase oil out, just oil subsidies.

I take back everything I said, what a pussy.


No one is phasing out oil, even if they say they will.

[Will Hunting]

Yeah, these polls all align with how voters were already at. This debate didn't do much either way.

[DarrinS]

Probably worried about his chances in Texas. Texas is that close.

No. :lol

[pgardn]

Petroleum will not be completely phased out in any of our lifetimes.
Too many engines need it. We can’t put people 100s of people in electric powered airplanes as an example. Big engines require petroleum. Cars... it’s on its way out. Quicker than we think.

[Reck]

No. :lol

Trump will still win it.

How close do you expect Texas to end up being?

[Will Hunting]

Probably worried about his chances in Texas. Texas is that close.
Oh yeah, I'm sure a voter in Texas who thinks the oil industry is very important will vote for Biden after he said he was going to phase oil out now. After all, his campaign staff made a statement afterwards back pedaling!

[Trainwreck2100]

"I hate that you can't have a political conversation without being called a name"

Hmm I wonder whose side she's on

[Reck]

Oh yeah, I'm sure a voter in Texas who thinks the oil industry is very important will vote for Biden after he said he was going to phase oil out now. After all, his campaign staff made a statement afterwards back pedaling!

:lol

Biden is not trying to get the hardcore Texans like Darrin. He is looking to turn out the young voters and hispanics.

[Will Hunting]

:lol

Biden is not trying to get the hardcore Texans like Darrin. He is looking to turn out the young voters and hispanics.
:lmao you think young voters and hispanics in Texas want a candidate who's pro-fossil fuels?

[RD2191]

:lol

Biden is not trying to get the hardcore Texans like Darrin. He is looking to turn out the young voters and hispanics.
A shitload of young Hispanic Texans work in oil tbh. :lol

[Trainwreck2100]

Oh yeah, I'm sure a voter in Texas who thinks the oil industry is very important will vote for Biden after he said he was going to phase oil out now. After all, his campaign staff made a statement afterwards back pedaling!
It was always going to get back peddled it was unnecessary

[Trainwreck2100]

:lmao you think young voters and hispanics in Texas want a candidate who's pro-fossil fuels?
you are overrating the youths and the hispanics

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1319475261503660037?s=20

[Will Hunting]

It was always going to get back peddled it was unnecessary
I don't understand this mentality of what's "necessary" or not. It's like you're scared that Joe Biden might take a position that deviates too much from the bland centrist establishment. Should he only propose raising the minimum wage from $7.25 to $7.50 since anything else is "unnecessary"?

[Spurtacular]

I'm not turning adblock off for that.

It's just a regular link. I don't know what adblock has to do with it.

But it was some sh** on jet stocks. Didn't really read it.

Maybe I should have. They're probably value stocks long term in this economy.

[Trainwreck2100]

I don't understand this mentality of what's "necessary" or not. It's like you're scared that Joe Biden might take a position that deviates too much from the bland centrist establishment. Should he only propose raising the minimum wage from $7.25 to $7.50 since anything else is "unnecessary"?

Yes I'm scared as fuck this moron's going to lose

[pgardn]

Oh yeah, I'm sure a voter in Texas who thinks the oil industry is very important will vote for Biden after he said he was going to phase oil out now. After all, his campaign staff made a statement afterwards back pedaling!

Only four countries (US is one, go figure) have more wind power than Texas ( way ahead in US). Abbott has actually done a good job with this but probably won’t tout it because it’s too clean. The stuff we now have under construction will put Texas way out ahead. And the red team is doing a good jog of gridding it all up, but you won’t hear about it.

[Will Hunting]

If we're being honest people in Pennsylvania obsessed with keeping their fracking jobs are uneducated and lazy welfare queens. They're scared of their cheese getting moved so they want taxpayer oil subsidies that are required for their jobs to survive to remain in place.

[Will Hunting]

Yes I'm scared as fuck this moron's going to lose
So he should go the Hillary route and remain as centrist as possible?

[DarrinS]

:lol

Biden is not trying to get the hardcore Texans like Darrin. He is looking to turn out the young voters and hispanics.


Highest compliment tbh

[Trainwreck2100]

So he should go the Hillary route and remain as centrist as possible?


he's already one of the most left candidates in terms of policy, he's running on a public option for fuck sake. If Obama ran on a public option he'd lose for being a fucking socialist

[Will Hunting]

he's already one of the most left candidates in terms of policy, he's running on a public option for fuck safe. If Obama ran on a public option they'd call him a fucking socialist
So he should shift to the right on other stuff? Oil is all good and climate change is no big deal?

[baseline bum]

A shitload of young Hispanic Texans work in oil tbh. :lol

Yeah but mojados can't vote

[Reck]

Trainwreck getting hit with tds. :lol

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ8pBBAn8Y8

Biden lying his ass off. Millions lost their private insurance plans.

Millions more had their rates jacked up / plans butchered.

This dude is pathological.

[pgardn]

Trainwreck getting hit with tds. :lol

Im with him.
Remove the tumor, then we can discuss chemo.

[Will Hunting]

:lol polling says Biden did better on climate change than any other topic, and his retarded campaign thought he needed to back off his stance on climate change after the debate because it might piss off Republican voters who worship the oil industry. The :cry we can't be too different from the Republicans :cry mindset is nauseating.

[RD2191]

Yeah but mojados can't vote
:lol

[Trainwreck2100]

So he should shift to the right on other stuff? Oil is all good and climate change is no big deal?

Not saying you're going to phase out oil is not saying oil won't be phased out, it will be phased out just because we'll use less. His climate policy phases out oil his energy policy phases out oil, just shut the fuck up and do it

[Spurtacular]

This is funny in light of Joe throwing Bernie under the bus tonight.

:lmao Dude is still an all-time cuck.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwNMW9RFGy0

[Will Hunting]

Not saying you're going to phase out oil is not saying oil won't be phased out, it will be phased out just because we'll use less. His climate policy phases out oil his energy policy phases out oil, just shut the fuck up and do it
:cry shut the fuck up about how you want to cut pollution and address climate change, you don't want to make yourself too distinguishable from the Republicans :cry

[Spurtacular]

:lol polling says Biden did better on climate change than any other topic, and his retarded campaign thought he needed to back off his stance on climate change after the debate because it might piss off Republican voters who worship the oil industry. The :cry we can't be too different from the Republicans :cry mindset is nauseating.

What polls?

Hard for me to see it. All's he did was suck off (heavily subsidized) wind and solar industry and get shat on on fracking.

[Will Hunting]

What polls?

Hard for me to see it. All's he did was suck off (heavily subsidized) wind and solar industry and get shat on on fracking.
You think polls are a hoax so there's no reason to try having a legitimate discussion about this with you.

[Trainwreck2100]

:cry shut the fuck up about how you want to cut pollution and address climate change, you don't want to make yourself too distinguishable from the Republicans :cry

he's already talked about climate change and his climate policies. saying he's phasing out oil ain't bringing new voters in, it'll only lose voters

[Will Hunting]

he's already talked about climate change and his climate policies. saying he's phasing out oil ain't bringing new voters in, it'll only lose voters
It's absolutely bringing progressive young voters in. Biden's centrist stance on fracking is one of the biggest things progressives can't stand about him.

What voters is he losing? Do you think the people in Northeast PA who are lazy and have fracking jobs they don't want to lose are voting for him :lol

[Trainwreck2100]

It's absolutely bringing progressive young voters in. Biden's centrist stance on fracking is one of the biggest things progressives can't stand about him.

What voters is he losing? Do you think the people in Northeast PA with fracking jobs are voting for him :lol

fuck depending on those morons, how did hoping they'd show up to the polls work out for Bernie?

[Will Hunting]

fuck depending on those morons, how did hoping they'd show up to the polls work out for Bernie?
You're still dodging my question because you don't have the faintest idea of any voters he actually loses. You're just programmed to think phasing oil out is an :cryextreme:cry idea.

[Reck]

he's already talked about climate change and his climate policies. saying he's phasing out oil ain't bringing new voters in, it'll only lose voters


It's absolutely bringing progressive young voters in. Biden's centrist stance on fracking is one of the biggest things progressives can't stand about him.

What voters is he losing? Do you think the people in Northeast PA who are lazy and have fracking jobs they don't want to lose are voting for him :lol

I mean if the fat lady who brought up child porn and didn't care in that Frank Luntz focus group is voting for Biden...in PA then I dont think this matters at all. :lol

[gambit1990]

i've seen a ton of biden signs in texas tbh.

[Winehole23]

Trump knows he is despised.

1319488167062441986

[Spurtacular]

You think polls are a hoax so there's no reason to try having a legitimate discussion about this with you.

Doesn't mean I take no interest in them.

But I get if you want to take your ball and go home. You're in a huff a lot lately.

I'll say this, the fact that you're citing climate change as Biden's best performance metric only supports my point.
It was not his best by any means and yet it's called the best because they need to push the narrative about how important it is.
Polls is just how they manufacture consent.

[Trainwreck2100]

You're still dodging my question because you don't have the faintest idea of any voters he actually loses. You're just programmed to think phasing oil out is an :cryextreme:cry idea.

Fuck off, the voters he loses are the idiots, and this country is loaded with fucking idiots.

[Trainwreck2100]

I mean if the fat lady who brought up child porn and didn't care in that Frank Luntz focus group is voting for Biden...in PA then I dont think this matters at all. :lol

that entire FG was voting Trump

[Will Hunting]

Fuck off, the voters he loses are the idiots, and this country is loaded with fucking idiots.
:lmao "the idiots"

That's very specific! It's so obvious you don't have the faintest idea of any voters he actually loses, you're just sure he does because corporate news networks like CNN say so.

[Trainwreck2100]

:lmao "the idiots"

That's very specific!

will it cost him votes? yes or no?

[Reck]

Doesn't mean I take no interest in them.

But I get if you want to take your ball and go home. You're in a huff a lot lately.

I'll say this, the fact that you're citing climate change as Biden's best performance metric only supports my point.
It was not his best by any means and yet it's called the best because they need to push the narrative about how important it is.
Polls is just how they manufacture consent.

What have we been talking about for the last hour? :lol go to sleep, you're sleep deprived.

[Will Hunting]

will it cost him votes? yes or no?
Nope. Not at all.

[Trainwreck2100]

Nope. Not at all.

i disagree

[Will Hunting]

i disagree
Yet you can't provide any specifics with respect to the voters he actually loses :lol

[Trainwreck2100]

Yet you can't provide any specifics with respect to the voters he actually loses :lol

you can't provide proof he won't

[Reck]

will it cost him votes? yes or no?

In the thousands? No.

Not in any significant way that will tilt an election. But I guess we'll see polls from here until election day and ultimately on election night.

This is not a seismic shift.

[Will Hunting]

you can't provide proof he won't
I also can't provide proof that unicorns don't exist. :lmao pretending it's my burden to prove the negative

[Spurtacular]

Chris

Okay, I must've been had Chumpettes blabbing too much in my ear and missed some of the stuff.
Trump actually did a pretty good job of bitch slapping Biden on the Russia/Ukraine/China family business stuff.
He just didn't twist the knife on the Hunter stuff so much. Mercy kill I guess.

[gambit1990]

biden is polling as good as you could want in texas for a democrat.

[Trainwreck2100]

I also can't provide proof that unicorns don't exist. :lmao pretending it's my burden to prove the negative
You say it won't cost him votes that's not the negative. It's the negative of my claim, but it's still your claim. Sure I introduced the argument but you have as much proof that it won't cost him votes as I do that it will. your argument is literally "you said this prove it", fuck you i ain't got to prove shit, you're so confident i'm wrong back up your claim i'm wrong. Oh wait you won't because you can't but that's okay because ":lol I don't have too :lol"

[Will Hunting]

You say it won't cost him votes that's not the negative. It's the negative of my claim, but it's still your claim. Sure I introduced the argument but you have as much proof that it won't cost him votes as I do that it will. your argument is literally "you said this prove it", fuck you i ain't got to prove shit, you're so confident i'm wrong back up your claim i'm wrong. Oh wait you won't because you can't but that's okay because ":lol I don't have too :lol"
I didn't ask you to prove anything. I asked you to just name a specific group of voters you think Biden loses and after dodging the question 3 times you reply with :cryidiots:cry. We didn't even get to the proof part, you never made a claim specific to certain voters :lol

Regardless, "X event won't happen" is the negative, and "X event will happen" is the positive. I'm not sure how you could try to argue otherwise.

[Spurtacular]

In the thousands? No.

Not in any significant way that will tilt an election. But I guess we'll see polls from here until election day and ultimately on election night.

This is not a seismic shift.

Somehow, Biden never loses a significant number of voters on his stupid sh**.

Funny how that works.

[gambit1990]

i really have no idea if trumpism has grown or lessened... or if it's pretty much the same size.

[FrostKing]

If we're being honest people in Pennsylvania obsessed with keeping their fracking jobs are uneducated and lazy welfare queens. They're scared of their cheese getting moved so they want taxpayer oil subsidies that are required for their jobs to survive to remain in place.
One cannot be selfish bout their job and yet welfare lover.

[Will Hunting]

Somehow, Biden never loses a significant number of voters on his stupid sh**.

Funny how that works.
Not sure who's saying that.

He's absolutely losing some black voters because of the crime bill. A lot of them are going to be non-votes vs. votes for Trump, but he's absolutely losing voters over it, particularly young black men.

He's also losing voters for being pro Iraq war.

I could go on.

[Will Hunting]

One cannot be selfish bout their job and yet welfare lover.
When your job requires government welfare in order to exist, sure they can. What a retarded fortune cookie-like statement.

[Trainwreck2100]

I didn't ask you to prove anything. I asked you to just name a specific group of voters you think Biden loses and after dodging the question 3 times you reply with :cryidiots:cry. We didn't even get to the proof part, you never made a claim specific to certain voters :lol

Regardless, "X event won't happen" is the negative, and "X event will happen" is the positive. I'm not sure how you could try to argue otherwise.
Is it incorrect to say that people who vote for Trump are idiots? If you agree with that statement, then any vote Biden loses will be to an idiot.
You said you can't prove a negative, negatives can be proven just as easy as positives.

[gambit1990]

https://twitter.com/politics_polls/status/1319497720244162560?s=21

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/1319480022747336704?s=20

[Will Hunting]

Is it incorrect to say that people who vote for Trump are idiots? If you agree with that statement, then any vote Biden loses will be to an idiot.
You said you can't prove a negative, negatives can be proven just as easy as positives.
You're just speaking in philosophical gibberish now.

Sure, any voter Biden loses to Trump is an idiot. What does that have to do with whether or not he actually loses voters for saying he's going to phase oil out?

Another post where you can't explain what voters Biden loses for saying he wants to phase oil out.

[Trainwreck2100]

https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/1319480022747336704?s=20

you should watch the focus group, you'll feel real good about yourself after

[Trainwreck2100]

You're just speaking in philosophical gibberish now.

Sure, any voter Biden loses to Trump is an idiot. What does that have to do with whether or not he actually loses voters for saying he's going to phase oil out?

Another post where you can't explain what voters Biden loses for saying he wants to phase oil out.

I already told you I'm not telling you what voters he's losing, if you can give me proof he won't lose voters I'll walk it back.

I believe he will lose voters by that statement, Biden's campaign seemed to have that same sentiment especially because they walked it back.

[Will Hunting]

I already told you I'm not telling you what voters he's losing, if you can give me proof he won't lose voters I'll walk it back.

I believe he will lose voters by that statement, Biden's campaign seemed to have that same sentiment especially because they walked it back.
:lol my proof is that you can't tell me what voters he's losing.

Do you believe in god? You're confusion about burden of proof makes me think you're a bible thumper who believes in a magical man in the sky.

[Trainwreck2100]

:lol my proof is that you can't tell me what voters he's losing.

Do you believe in god? You're confusion about burden of proof makes me think you're a bible thumper who believes in a magical man in the sky.

You disagree with me I welcome your disagreement, kindly provide proof that he's not losing voters.

You bring up bible thumper, fine then, when bible thumpers say God made everything, atheists don't say prove it, they say "bing bang morons"

In this case I'll be the bible thumper kindly give me your version of the big bang.

[Will Hunting]

You disagree with me I welcome your disagreement, kindly provide proof that he's not losing voters.

You bring up bible thumper, fine then, when bible thumpers say God made everything, atheists don't say prove it, they say "bing bang morons"

In this case I'll be the bible thumper kindly give me your version of the big bang.
:lol atheists say prove it all the time

I've already given you my version. Anyone who holds oil near and dear to their heart is already voting for Trump. The majority of Pennsylvania supports a fracking ban according to polls, and the people who don't are already right wing.

I didn't even ask you for proof, I just asked for the voters you thought he'd lose. I never said PROVE IT the way you're saying it now.

[Trainwreck2100]

:lol atheists say prove it all the time

I've already given you my version. Anyone who holds oil near and dear to their heart is already voting for Trump. The majority of Pennsylvania supports a fracking ban according to polls, and the people who don't are already right wing.

I didn't even ask you for proof, I just asked for the voters you thought he'd lose. I never said PROVE IT the way you're saying it now.

I told you the group, but apparently it wasn't specific enough for you. It will cost him votes, will it be enough to move the needle, probably not, but the fact that it will when it was unnecessary was stupid.

[Spurtacular]

Not sure who's saying that.

He's absolutely losing some black voters because of the crime bill. A lot of them are going to be non-votes vs. votes for Trump, but he's absolutely losing voters over it, particularly young black men.

He's also losing voters for being pro Iraq war.

I could go on.

I was speaking to reck mainly on campaign missteps.

Biden will have lost votes on his warhawk history. But the media has played it down, so I don't know if that's hurting him as much as it is helping Trump's base to be energized to not get back to that sh**.

I agree that Biden is in serious trouble with the black vote. In 2016, Trump told them what do they have to lose? He then delivered with record low black unemployment, opportunity zones, $500 billion investment plan, funds to black colleges, first step act reprieving blacks that Biden's crime bill threw into prison and threw away the key. It took most of his first term for this reality to bloom; but Trump is going to get blacks in unprecedented numbers. And the evolution of social media has aided that. Truth not so easily hidden from blacks. They're learning that Democrats have used the empty promise ploy over and over and taken them for granted.

[Will Hunting]

I'm not telling you what voters he's losing


I told you the group
Pick a lane.

[Trainwreck2100]

Pick a lane.

I told you idiots that's all your getting, if it's not satisfactory, i don't give a shit

[Spurtacular]

:lol Biden bragging about his $800 billion relief bill not being enough and firefighters and the like being fired.

[Spurtacular]

https://twitter.com/politics_polls/status/1319497720244162560?s=21

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ek_SndSXIAEN4Zk?format=jpg&name=medium

[Spurtacular]

https://twitter.com/politics_polls/status/1319497720244162560?s=21

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ek_Ru-OXUAMaBiy?format=jpg&name=small

[Spurtacular]

https://twitter.com/politics_polls/status/1319497720244162560?s=21

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ek_Ks3OUcAAcaqy?format=jpg&name=small

[Spurtacular]

https://twitter.com/politics_polls/status/1319497720244162560?s=21

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ek_KbPQUYAAVKSP?format=jpg&name=small

[Spurtacular]

https://twitter.com/politics_polls/status/1319497720244162560?s=21

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ek_KKYdVcAEyEpa?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ek_JyqLVkAAZVVS?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ek-_MfyVkAA5JG9?format=jpg&name=small

[IronMexican]

Pick a lane.

Who won tonights debate, scrah?

Went fishing and then wartched the end of SNF

[FrostKing]

Who won tonights debate, scrah?

Went fishing and then wartched the end of SNF
Watched CNN after. In their opinion Trump was not concrete on what he will do in the 2nd term and too much talking about "Breitbart news"

[ChumpDumper]

lol derp

[Chris]

Chris

Okay, I must've been had Chumpettes blabbing too much in my ear and missed some of the stuff.
Trump actually did a pretty good job of bitch slapping Biden on the Russia/Ukraine/China family business stuff.
He just didn't twist the knife on the Hunter stuff so much. Mercy kill I guess.

:tu

[Reck]

I told you the group, but apparently it wasn't specific enough for you. It will cost him votes, will it be enough to move the needle, probably not, but the fact that it will when it was unnecessary was stupid.

So I watched the clip of the whole exchange and I have decided it’s not a big deal at all.

He said he would transition from it rather than what is been circulated around conservative Twitter that he wants to magically stop it. I think Trump talking over him while he was saying it and then making something out of it took from what Biden was actually saying.

He even said “He always takes things out of context.” So you and Will Hunting are both wrong.

His campaign is not really backtracking from this point. Give it a second, close watch and see.

[Reck]

I was speaking to reck mainly on campaign missteps.

Biden will have lost votes on his warhawk history. But the media has played it down, so I don't know if that's hurting him as much as it is helping Trump's base to be energized to not get back to that sh**.

I agree that Biden is in serious trouble with the black vote. In 2016, Trump told them what do they have to lose? He then delivered with record low black unemployment, opportunity zones, $500 billion investment plan, funds to black colleges, first step act reprieving blacks that Biden's crime bill threw into prison and threw away the key. It took most of his first term for this reality to bloom; but Trump is going to get blacks in unprecedented numbers. And the evolution of social media has aided that. Truth not so easily hidden from blacks. They're learning that Democrats have used the empty promise ploy over and over and taken them for granted.

:lol Serious trouble.

He’s going to get over 90 to 94% of them. This is like saying Trump’s in trouble with his maga base. They’re not more going to vote for Biden in the high percentile than blacks are for Trump.

Its a given.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1319475698214576128?s=19

Joe wanted to go home :lol

[Chris]

https://i.ibb.co/GQN82yV/IMG-20201023-011910.jpg

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1319499003810238464?s=19

Trump at the end :lol

[Reck]

https://i.ibb.co/GQN82yV/IMG-20201023-011910.jpg

What is this shit? Fox News online poll? Lol

[Chris]

Chris

Okay, I must've been had Chumpettes blabbing too much in my ear and missed some of the stuff.
Trump actually did a pretty good job of bitch slapping Biden on the Russia/Ukraine/China family business stuff.
He just didn't twist the knife on the Hunter stuff so much. Mercy kill I guess.

full mashup here bruv: (6min)

jmmuZZ8sUjY

[FrostKing]

Trump didn't win but Biden lost

[Chris]

What is this shit? Fox News online poll? Lol

the link is at the top right Simple Reck :tu

[Reck]

the link is at the top right Simple Reck :tu

So online poll confirm. Move along

[Will Hunting]

Who won tonights debate, scrah?

Went fishing and then wartched the end of SNF
Not gonna change the outcome of the election, it was your average debate. The one thing it might do is help Republicans in down ballot races who were worried about Trump after the first debate.

[Chris]

So online poll confirm. Move along

^bot-like behavior detected

[hater]

Trump was supposed to destroy Joe with the laptop thingy. The fact that all he can say is about oil industry means he missed his chance and Joe survived. Good night for Joe regardless.

[Blake]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ek_KKYdVcAEyEpa?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ek_JyqLVkAAZVVS?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ek-_MfyVkAA5JG9?format=jpg&name=small

Lol sup Joel

[Blake]

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1319499003810238464?s=19

Trump at the end :lol

Trumpers think that oil is an infinite resource

[pgardn]

NBA sports site wants a score on a judged Olympic expressive dance contest.
Good luck.

But post your favorite totally slanted polling anyway.

They spar over issues where people are already concretely stuck in place or don’t really care because they are attracted to a vindictive persona (red team here)

[vy65]

Trumpers think that oil is an infinite resource

It matters to some people. I get WH saying people won’t be swayed or bothered by the statement, but that’s accurate in only so many places. In Texas, what does a millenial working for Hunt Petroleum or TransCanada think of Biden? Large swaths of people aren’t going to like what Biden said, and even if most of those people weren’t voting Biden, why say it? To galvanize people in NY and California? When Texas could be in play? Seems like a really stupid maneouver to me

[pgardn]

Unfortunately fracking takes a lot more manpower than putting up and connecting wind turbines.

[boutons_deux]

Trumpers think that oil is an infinite resource

The BigOil propaganda machine, like the Capitalist propaganda machine, dumbs down, indoctrinates people into believe their self-serving shit

The environment has become a major issue, left and right, and BigOil, the Carbon economy, is the roadblock to slowing down, not reversing, not stopping, the climate catastrophe

[Blake]

It matters to some people. I get WH saying people won’t be swayed or bothered by the statement, but that’s accurate in only so many places. In Texas, what does a millenial working for Hunt Petroleum or TransCanada think of Biden? Large swaths of people aren’t going to like what Biden said, and even if most of those people weren’t voting Biden, why say it? To galvanize people in NY and California? When Texas could be in play? Seems like a really stupid maneouver to me

Biden should have extrapolated on the word "transition" for sure because Texans are really that stupid to believe it means "OH NOES HE GONNA SHUT DOWN MUH DERRICK TOMORROW"

[boutons_deux]

Unfortunately fracking takes a lot more manpower than putting up and connecting wind turbines.

fracking has huge external costs, human and environmental, not paid by the fucking frackers.

[JamStone]

It matters to some people. I get WH saying people won’t be swayed or bothered by the statement, but that’s accurate in only so many places. In Texas, what does a millenial working for Hunt Petroleum or TransCanada think of Biden? Large swaths of people aren’t going to like what Biden said, and even if most of those people weren’t voting Biden, why say it? To galvanize people in NY and California? When Texas could be in play? Seems like a really stupid maneouver to me

How you view the oil industry comments depends greatly on whether you, your livelihood, and your pocket are directly affected by the oil industry. The idea of transitioning to a cleaner renewable energy has been around since the hippies. It’s gained bigger traction over the last couple decades really because of how clearly fucked up the environment is. Maybe not universally, but most people at least acknowledge that the transition towards cleaner renewable energy and away from fossil fuels is a necessary inevitability and not some unrealistic ideal.

The reason for him saying it is because it’s a candid, honest response to the question. It’s reality. That it might offend some and solidify some votes against him in a certain voting block that were likely voting against him anyway is collateral damage that’s real but likely not as impactful as some may think or suggest. It definitely hurts him in Texas. And whether he had a real shot at Texas anyway, I don’t know. But big picture map, it probably doesn’t significantly change anywhere else, not even Pennsylvania.

[RandomGuy]

Not gonna change the outcome of the election, it was your average debate. The one thing it might do is help Republicans in down ballot races who were worried about Trump after the first debate.

Pretty much. Trump was unable to talk to people outside his own base, but didn't act like a complete ass this time.

He didn't lose, but he didn't really win either, and he needed to.

Not one single policy proposal all night. I tuned out the last 20 minutes or so, but I doubt he suddenly grew a policy repertoire.

Biden could have done a LOT better. Made me wish Buttigieg was there, Pete would have chopped hapless Trump into teeny peices.

[RandomGuy]

Unfortunately fracking takes a lot more manpower than putting up and connecting wind turbines.

Does it really though?

Be interesting to see what the actual answer is, per Mwh.

[boutons_deux]

Unfortunately fracking takes a lot more manpower than putting up and connecting wind turbines.

show your analysis

[boutons_deux]

New Research Shows Fracking and Petrochemicals Create Fewer Pennsylvania Jobs than Clean Energy

While early backers of the $6 billion project predicted it would create between 10,000 and 20,000 jobs,

the facility will only employ 600 workers.

Factoring in the massive $1.6 billion tax break granted to the company — the largest in Pennsylvania history– means

the state is essentially paying $2.75 million to create each job at the plant.

The Food & Water Watch research (https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/insight/cracked-case-green-jobs-over-petrochemicals-pennsylvania) estimates that a similar level of investment in wind and solar manufacturing would create over 16,000 jobs.

https://yubanet.com/enviro/new-research-shows-fracking-and-petrochemicals-create-fewer-pennsylvania-jobs-than-clean-energy/

Before the pandemic and Trash's job-killing tariff on panels, solar employed 100Ks more than dying coal.

[Rummpd]

CNN post op poll was about 50% Biden and 39% Trump or so. For Trump, factoring in CNN involved, that is a relative win but he needed Biden to make a mistake and he did not make an obvious one but the oil comment could hurt a little. Election will likely be close in battlegrounds, but Biden likely wins without a court battle but we will see.

[lefty]

:lol Polls

[RandomGuy]

New Research Shows Fracking and Petrochemicals Create Fewer Pennsylvania Jobs than Clean Energy

While early backers of the $6 billion project predicted it would create between 10,000 and 20,000 jobs,

the facility will only employ 600 workers.

Factoring in the massive $1.6 billion tax break granted to the company — the largest in Pennsylvania history– means

the state is essentially paying $2.75 million to create each job at the plant.

The Food & Water Watch research (https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/insight/cracked-case-green-jobs-over-petrochemicals-pennsylvania) estimates that a similar level of investment in wind and solar manufacturing would create over 16,000 jobs.

https://yubanet.com/enviro/new-research-shows-fracking-and-petrochemicals-create-fewer-pennsylvania-jobs-than-clean-energy/

Before the pandemic and Trash's job-killing tariff on panels, solar employed 100Ks more than dying coal.




... and there you go. Data.

https://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120823005940/memoryalpha/en/images/9/9f/Data_with_pipe.jpg

[RandomGuy]

:lol Polls

the only polls that really matter at this point are the ones with the voting machines.

[Spurtacular]

Megyn ain't bleeding out of her wherever now. :lol

1319467519820922881

[Spurtacular]

:lol Serious trouble.

He’s going to get over 90 to 94% of them. This is like saying Trump’s in trouble with his maga base. They’re not more going to vote for Biden in the high percentile than blacks are for Trump.

Its a given.

:lol You need to get out of your bubble, seriously.

:cry But blacks are chained to the Dem planyation. Always have been, always will be. :cry

Do you only watch MSDNC and CNN to really still believe this?

[Spurtacular]

1319467098582753286

[Spurtacular]

Trump was supposed to destroy Joe with the laptop thingy. The fact that all he can say is about oil industry means he missed his chance and Joe survived. Good night for Joe regardless.

Trump was supposed to drive a tank over Biden. Instead, he let Joe drown in a pond.

I mean, 270 plus either way.

Sure, we were really rooting for the former. It would've been more epic. :lol

[boutons_deux]

CNN post op poll was about 50% Biden and 39% Trump or so. For Trump, factoring in CNN involved, that is a relative win but he needed Biden to make a mistake and he did not make an obvious one but the oil comment could hurt a little. Election will likely be close in battlegrounds, but Biden likely wins without a court battle but we will see.

imo, some of the better analyses:

Biden wasn't crushed, held his own, "was all that he needed to do" (as long-time polling leader for 18 months)

Trash LIED, LIED, LIED, which is his main skill and attraction to his minority base, beyond which he has no appeal and is LOSER

iow, the debate exposed nothing new, affirmed the status quo.

"undecideds" could decide after the "debate"? G M A F B.

"undecideds"? :lol

[Spurtacular]

full mashup here bruv: (6min)

jmmuZZ8sUjY

Joe's silence / his willingness to pass off his corruption on Russia is telling.
Americans not going to vote for the corruption.

[Spurtacular]

the only polls that really matter at this point are the ones with the voting machines.

Joe had to miraculously win this to have a shot at taking the belt from Trump, and that didn't happen.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FlimsyAchingAxolotl-small.gif

[vy65]

How you view the oil industry comments depends greatly on whether you, your livelihood, and your pocket are directly affected by the oil industry. The idea of transitioning to a cleaner renewable energy has been around since the hippies. It’s gained bigger traction over the last couple decades really because of how clearly fucked up the environment is. Maybe not universally, but most people at least acknowledge that the transition towards cleaner renewable energy and away from fossil fuels is a necessary inevitability and not some unrealistic ideal.

The reason for him saying it is because it’s a candid, honest response to the question. It’s reality. That it might offend some and solidify some votes against him in a certain voting block that were likely voting against him anyway is collateral damage that’s real but likely not as impactful as some may think or suggest. It definitely hurts him in Texas. And whether he had a real shot at Texas anyway, I don’t know. But big picture map, it probably doesn’t significantly change anywhere else, not even Pennsylvania.

Well put. Biden very likely had internal data showing that he wasn't winning Texas and/or has PA in the bag, so there's no real downside to the comments. Obviously, we're not privy to that info.

[CosmicCowboy]

I thought the debate was pretty much a draw which means Biden won. All he had to do was look like he didn't have dementia. It would have been a landslide win if he hadn't said he was getting rid of carbon fuels completely. Of course, he backtracked later.

[pgardn]

fracking has huge external costs, human and environmental, not paid by the fucking frackers.

Yes it does.
But look how many workers were ready for Trump to send them back into the coal mines.

Where has his coal mining plan gone I wonder.
Did it follow Health Care into the oblivion of never had a plan.

[Spurtacular]

Well put. Biden very likely had internal data showing that he wasn't winning Texas and/or has PA in the bag, so there's no real downside to the comments. Obviously, we're not privy to that info.

:lol No.

They wouldn't have sent Obama out to Philly to speak to ones of people if that's what their data said.

https://img.ifunny.co/images/251170d744318bae20afa108b44d07723760d5442d74c5235f 9b9ba94dcf51f3_1.jpg

[pgardn]

:lol No.

They wouldn't have sent Obama out to Philly to speak to ones of people if that's what their data said.

https://img.ifunny.co/images/251170d744318bae20afa108b44d07723760d5442d74c5235f 9b9ba94dcf51f3_1.jpg

Versus a clown of a president who already has fcked things up...

[Reck]

Biden never had a shot at Texas :lol will you guys please stop with that delusion?

:lol

When was the last time he campaigned there?

[Spurtacular]

Versus a clown of a president who already has fcked things up...

:cry Muh zombie points :cry

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/1319642173843755008?s=21

oh the irony det Rudy G backfire thread :lol

Lawdy!

[Reck]

1319625215249436673 (https://twitter.com/michaelwinship/status/1319625215249436673?s=21)

:lmao derp get your money back.

[Blake]

oh the irony det Rudy G backfire thread :lol

Lawdy!

Christian Chris with nothing but love but for Rudy

[benefactor]

1319625215249436673 (https://twitter.com/michaelwinship/status/1319625215249436673?s=21)

:lmao derp get your money back.
:lol

[Chris]

nypost good now

[Chris]

Christian Chris with nothing but love but for Rudy

Do you hate him Atheist Blake?

[Spurtacular]

Yeeeeaapp. I called this out in an earlier post.
Joe Biden has no problem boldface lying to the electorate.

1319456337064005632

[Spurtacular]

https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/059/113/404/original/c58cfb38de7ad2c8.jpeg?1603460325

[Chris]

https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/059/113/404/original/c58cfb38de7ad2c8.jpeg?1603460325

lol

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1319645092379041792?s=19

killshot Spurtacular

[Spurtacular]

https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1319645092379041792?s=19

killshot Spurtacular (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49615)

Joe Biden is so damn pathological that it's not even funny.
And he's special ed on top of it all.

[Spurtacular]

:cry But CNN poll :cry

:lmao

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ek_P9VJWAAER7vW?format=jpg&name=medium

[Reck]

:cry But CNN poll :cry

:lmao

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ek_P9VJWAAER7vW?format=jpg&name=medium

Dude, this is a twitter poll. lol

[Spurminator]

Bots don't vote, derp.

If you think Twitter polls are more meaningful than scientific polls, you're retarded.

I don't think you're that retarded. I think you're just coping.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1319457507618836481?s=19

[RandomGuy]

Biden never had a shot at Texas :lol will you guys please stop with that delusion?

Don't think anyone seriously believes it will happen. Not too unlike a Trump presidency... heh.

[Spurtacular]

Dude, this is a twitter poll. lol

:cry It's a conspiracy :cry
:cry All the conservatives are flooding liberal Twitter and uh muh stacking the deck :cry

:lol