The debates thread

[Spurtacular]

Nah, but I bet you'll spend an hour whining about it.

You don't know all those names. You were googling your ass off to randomly cry about it. :lol

[Bogie]

Realizing the media is full of pathological liars is one of the first steps before deciding to vote for Trump.


Imagine how dumb and scared you are.

facts are still facts.

[baseline bum]

You don't know all those names. You were googling your ass off to randomly cry about it. :lol

I googled Crusius. The others were easy to remember.

[Spurtacular]

I don't know how Trump could be considered anything but an elitist. He's just an outwardly racist elitist, which is enough for the white nationalist right I guess. LOL hearing dixie bitch for years about LA and New York elites who think they're so much better than them and then they elect and idolize one.

Trump's not like the common people like Scranton Joe, amirite?

[baseline bum]

Trump's not like the common people like Scranton Joe, amirite?

I'm bored talking with you. Go find someone else.

[Spurtacular]

Also, independents always swing right. Because you have the Wild Cobras of the world who call themselves independents. The honest brokers too. :lol

If only he was libertarian like you and would swing left all the time. :lmao

[boutons_deux]

Rule Change for Second Debate Forbids Trump from Attending

WASHINGTON —In a rule change announced on Thursday, the Commission on Presidential Debates said that Donald J. Trump will not be permitted to attend the second debate.

“We took a look at the first debate and decided that we needed to tweak the format a bit,” Harland Dorrinson, a spokesperson for the commission, said.

“We think this rule change fixes everything.”

Anticipating criticism that

a debate must have at least two participants, the spokesperson said,

“There will be, if you count the moderator.”

To enforce the rule change, the commission will post a photo of Trump at security,

but Dorrinson said that he hoped that such a measure would not be necessary.

“If President Trump is listening,

we are asking him to stand back,

but don’t stand by,”

he said.

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/rule-change-for-second-debate-forbids-trump-from-attending

[Spurtacular]

The thing is, Romney's base didn't even turn out for him. Obama lost independents to Romney, he just had a huge Dem turnout advantage. Paul Ryan was far right on the issues that uneducated whites aren't far right on (i.e., privatizing medicare). As you said smart Republicans don't move to the right on medicare to generate turnout, they just wait until they get elected to gut Medicare. The way you turn out the Republican base is with far right stances about immigrants, minorities and abortions while pretending you want to keep things like medicare and pre-existing condition protections.

The Romney/Ryan ticket didn't have the requisite amount of unadulterated stupidity/hatred the way Trump and GWB did. Even though Trump and GWB are both elitist trust fund babies they don't/didn't act like it so the rubes didn't care. Romney and Ryan were both elitists and they each wore it all over their face.

Paul Ryan was never going to privatize medicare. That had no effect on anything.
He was talking a game when repubs were fighting Obamacare, but he had no conviction for that kind of thing as a VP nominee.
I've heard the base didn't show up enough for Romney; and I'll always wonder to what extent that could be true.
But ballot box stuffing is what killed him. You had black urban precincts with 98 percent turnout. That's a scam, dude.

[Spurminator]

Nah, killing babies by pulling their limbs off is noble.

I'm sure you're very interested in an honest discussion about medical procedures during abortions that occur after the 12 week period, but the other options are less safe for the mother, so doctors recommend dilation and evacuation instead.

I do think it's noble to leave these decisions to doctors and their patients instead of politicians and evangelists, and you would probably agree if you were honest with yourself. But such is life in the MAGA cult, if you're going to side with the radical Christians' political ideology you might as well talk like one.

See you in church.

[Will Hunting]

I don't know how Trump could be considered anything but an elitist. He's just an outwardly racist elitist, which is enough for the white nationalist right I guess. LOL hearing dixie bitch for years about LA and New York elites who think they're so much better than them and then they elect and idolize one.

Also, independents always swing right. Because you have the Wild Cobras of the world who call themselves independents. The honest brokers too. :lol
He's no different than GWB though. GWB was born in the greater NY area (New Haven, CT) while his supporters thought he was some kind of rugged Texas cattle rancher because he sounded stupid. Uneducated white Republicans think being stupid and saying racist shit means you're not an elitist even though Northeastern elitists say some of the most racist shit you'll ever hear :lol

IIRC Republican turnout was way down in 2012. There were also evangelicals who stayed home because they didn't like Mitt being a devout mormon (yet they had no problem with DJT being an amoral adulterer who follows no religion :lol).

[Spurtacular]

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1311724425428062215?s=20

Agree. Chris Wallace out of all people making that demand.

"Invisible moderator"

And then Joe jumping on his back. F*ck that 2 on 1 sh**. Whenever they do that, Trump needs to stop and ask who's he debating and who's moderating?

[Will Hunting]

But ballot box stuffing is what killed him. You had black urban precincts with 98 percent turnout. That's a scam, dude.
Which ones? Be specific.

[baseline bum]

He's no different than GWB though. GWB was born in the greater NY area (New Haven, CT) while his supporters thought he was some kind of rugged Texas cattle rancher because he sounded stupid. Uneducated white Republicans think being stupid and saying racist shit means you're not an elitist even though Northeastern elitists say some of the most racist shit you'll ever hear :lol

IIRC Republican turnout was way down in 2012. There were also evangelicals who stayed home because they didn't like Mitt being a devout mormon (yet they had no problem with DJT being an amoral adulterer who follows no religion :lol).

Bush pretended to play cowboy and spent seemingly most of his presidency pre-9/11 clearing brush at the ranch, but Trump has always been the stereotypical rich New York asshole. The exact kind of coastal elite flyover state Americans bitch and whine about running the nation constantly. It's just funnier with Trump since he never even tried to hide it.

[Will Hunting]

Bush pretended to play cowboy and spent seemingly most of his presidency pre-9/11 clearing brush at the ranch, but Trump has always been the stereotypical rich New York asshole. The exact kind of coastal elite flyover state Americans bitch and whine about running the nation constantly. It's just funnier with Trump since he never even tried to hide it.
Yeah but The Apprentice made him Middle America's favorite coastal flyover state elitist. The rubes were mesmerized by the way he "took care of business!" because they've never seen a New York fast-talking snake oil salesman up close.

[Isitjustme?]

The thing is, Romney's base didn't even turn out for him. Obama lost independents to Romney, he just had a huge Dem turnout advantage. Paul Ryan was far right on the issues that uneducated whites aren't far right on (i.e., privatizing medicare). As you said smart Republicans don't move to the right on medicare to generate turnout, they just wait until they get elected to gut Medicare. The way you turn out the Republican base is with far right stances about immigrants, minorities and abortions while pretending you want to keep things like medicare and pre-existing condition protections.

The Romney/Ryan ticket didn't have the requisite amount of unadulterated stupidity/hatred the way Trump and GWB did. Even though Trump and GWB are both elitist trust fund babies they don't/didn't act like it so the rubes didn't care. Romney and Ryan were both elitists and they each wore it all over their face.
Obama was also a way stronger candidate than Hillary. Doubt Trump beats Obama but I could see Romney beating Hillary. Romney should have sat out 2012 and waited until 2016 maybe he could have cleared the field and beaten Trump 1 on 1. Although Cruz and especially Kasich seemed like they would never drop out but maybe Kasich and Rubio would have backed Romney

[Spurtacular]

Which ones? Be specific.

There were a lot in Cleveland that were 90-95ish. And IIRC, they are precincts historically way below 50 percent.

Baltimore, Philly other places I"m sure you could find other similar fishiness.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1311775211038011394?s=20

Are you a low information voter?

[Will Hunting]

There were a lot in Cleveland that were 90-95ish. And IIRC, they are precincts historically way below 50 percent.

Baltimore, Philly other places I"m sure you could find other similar fishiness.
:lol what about Chicago too? If you're just going to rattle off cities with high black populations without providing any source or specifics, you might as well include the Chicago boogeyman.

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1311775211038011394?s=20

Are you a low information voter?Why was he so mealy mouthed and passive yesterday?

Explain.

[ElNono]

Yeah but The Apprentice made him Middle America's favorite coastal flyover state elitist. The rubes were mesmerized by the way he "took care of business!" because they've never seen a New York fast-talking snake oil salesman up close.

Anybody that has lived in the big apple knows con man like Dennison are dime a dozen over there :lol

[Spurtacular]

:lol what about Chicago too? If you're just going to rattle off cities with high black populations without providing any source or specifics, you might as well include the Chicago boogeyman.

I gave you a guide based on what I saw at the time. You're just attacking the messenger and lashing out. Chicago doesn't matter. Illinois is not a swing state. Though I wouldn't discount that it's consistently blue b/c ballot box stuffing is a way of life there.

[ChumpDumper]

I gave you a guide based on what I saw at the time. You're just attacking the messenger and lashing out. Chicago doesn't matter. Illinois is not a swing state.derp's Guide to Made Up Conspiracy Theories

[Will Hunting]

I gave you a guide based on what I saw at the time. You're just attacking the messenger and lashing out. Chicago doesn't matter. Illinois is not a swing state.
You're not the messenger, you haven't provided any sources or specifics. Sorry, but I'm not going to believe in an election conspiracy just because you say so.

:lmao "Illinois is not a swing state" as if that went into your thought process. You said Baltimore. Is Maryland a swing state?

[Spurminator]

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1311775211038011394?s=20

Are you a low information voter?

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Is Scott Adams a low information voter?

[Will Hunting]

:lmao Gaythan

[Spurtacular]

Chris

Yea, this is damning. These lefties are pathological.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_ilHJOkY4k

[ChumpDumper]

1311735674161131520Shut up and draw, amirite?

[Spurtacular]

You're not the messenger, you haven't provided any sources or specifics. Sorry, but I'm not going to believe in an election conspiracy just because you say so.

:lmao "Illinois is not a swing state" as if that went into your thought process. You said Baltimore. Is Maryland a swing state?

You asked me a question and I answered it. You're goalpost moving to sources.
I gave you the info for which you can research it if you care. You don't care to research it. That's fine.

[Will Hunting]

You asked me a question and I answered it. You're goalpost moving to sources.
I gave you the info for which you can research it if you care. You don't care to research it. That's fine.
Is Maryland a swing state? You said Baltimore.

[benefactor]

Yeah but The Apprentice made him Middle America's favorite coastal flyover state elitist. The rubes were mesmerized by the way he "took care of business!" because they've never seen a New York fast-talking snake oil salesman up close.
Sure they have. They see one every Sunday when they go to church. Now that guy is president and just like their favorite snake oil salesman preacher they will never see any wrong in him.

[ChumpDumper]

You asked me a question and I answered it. You're goalpost moving to sources.
I gave you the info for which you can research it if you care. You don't care to research it. That's fine.:lol you made it up, derp.

[Spurtacular]

Is Maryland a swing state? You said Baltimore.

It was considered a swing state in the lead-up to the election.

But at this point you're really arguing in the weeds. Check out what I said about Cleveland and if I'm somehow wrong, let me know.

[ChumpDumper]

It was considered a swing state in the lead-up to the election.

But at this point you're really arguing in the weeds. Check out what I said about Cleveland and if I'm somehow wrong, let me know.:lmao verify muh bullshit claim for me

You're such a weak little girl, derp.

[Will Hunting]

It was considered a swing state in the lead-up to the election.
:lmao Obama won it by 26 points, the same margin as 4 years prior. The Dem nominee has won Maryland by 13 points or more in every election since 1988. No one considered it a swing state, you're just making stuff.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao Obama won it by 26 points, the same margin as 4 years prior. The Dem nominee has won Maryland by 13 points or more in every election since 1988. No one considered it a swing state, you're just making stuff.

There were polls showing it in play. I call that a swing state regardless of the final tally.

And yea, winning by double digits when polls show it in play just supports my contention that ballot box stuffing / pay for play, etc. is happening.

[Will Hunting]

There were polls showing it in play. I call that a swing state regardless of the final tally.

And yea, winning by double digits when polls show it in play just supports my contention that ballot box stuffing / pay for play, etc. is happening.
:lol literally every poll had Obama up by 19 points or more

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/md/maryland_romney_vs_obama-3218.html#polls

https://i.ibb.co/sWXsZLv/Derp-Is-Retarded.jpg

:lmao "polls showed it in play"

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao derp making shit up to distract from the other shit he made up

[Chris]

Chris

Yea, this is damning. These lefties are pathological.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_ilHJOkY4k

Hid dad was on the Epstein logs

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1311809232996499457?s=20

This seems reasonable.

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1311809232996499457?s=20

This seems reasonable.:tu

[Will Hunting]

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1311809232996499457?s=20

This seems reasonable.
Trump's campaign agreed to the moderators. If you're pissed about this choice you can blame Trump for hiring an unqualified campaign manager who was focused on siphoning campaign money for his personal use and neglected to do stuff like vet potential debate moderators.

[Nathan89]

1311735674161131520

Is Scott Adams a low information voter?

Seems stupid to ask if the person that set the standard for my question is a low information voter.

Your tweet is irrelevant. Not because of the following tweet. It's just irrelevant.

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1311777995183460353?s=20

[ChumpDumper]

Seems stupid to ask if the person that set the standard for my question is a low information voter.

Your tweet is irrelevant. Not because of the following tweet. It's just irrelevant.

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1311777995183460353?s=20:lmao Adams got bullied into voting for Trump.

:lol white male grievance

[Ef-man]

It was considered a swing state in the lead-up to the election.

But at this point you're really arguing in the weeds. Check out what I said about Cleveland and if I'm somehow wrong, let me know.

Nope, pants on fire.

[Will Hunting]

:lmao more Trump supporter gaslighting

:cry you liberals did this :cry

[Chris]

:lmao Adams got bullied into voting for Trump.

:lol white male grievance

^racist

[Spurtacular]

Hid dad was on the Epstein logs

Not surprised. Can you say conflict of interest?

[ChumpDumper]

^racistYou have grievances, Qhris.

[Spurtacular]

:lol literally every poll had Obama up by 19 points or more

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/md/maryland_romney_vs_obama-3218.html#polls

https://i.ibb.co/sWXsZLv/Derp-Is-Retarded.jpg

:lmao "polls showed it in play"


At the end, it went from in-play to blue, polsters allege. You'll find early polls much tighter.

But again, we're just doing weeds b/c you want to run from my original contention.

[ChumpDumper]

At the end, it went from in-play to blue, polsters allege. You'll find early polls much tighter.

But again, we're just doing weeds b/c you want to run from my original contention.
:rollin derp just buries himself in his lies

[Spurminator]

Seems stupid to ask if the person that set the standard for my question is a low information voter.

Your tweet is irrelevant. Not because of the following tweet. It's just irrelevant.

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1311777995183460353?s=20

Seems like he stated his case pretty clearly in the video. Trump was an idiot for answering the question the way he did. The fact that he's a sensitive little pussy whose conviction can be altered by random people on social media doesn't change the fact that he previously argued that Trump stance on white supremacists is enough to lose his support.

You have less conviction than the Dilbert guy. :lmao

[Will Hunting]

At the end, it went from in-play to blue, polsters allege. You'll find early polls much tighter.

But again, we're just doing weeds b/c you want to run from my original contention.
Earlier polls? I included a poll from May of 2012 with Obama up 23. Romney hadn't even won the nomination yet :lmao

:lmao "just doing weeds." Conspiracy theories are all about being in the weeds. If you actually had convictions about this theory, you'd be in the weeds too.

[ducks]

Trump campaign calls out second debate moderator who interned for Biden, worked for Ted Kennedy
He previously tweeted an op-ed titled "No, Not Trump, Not Ever."

[Will Hunting]

Trump campaign calls out second debate moderator who interned for Biden, worked for Ted Kennedy
He previously tweeted an op-ed titled "No, Not Trump, Not Ever."


Trump's campaign agreed to the moderators. If you're pissed about this choice you can blame Trump for hiring an unqualified campaign manager who was focused on siphoning campaign money for his personal use and neglected to do stuff like vet potential debate moderators.

[ChumpDumper]

Trump campaign calls out second debate moderator who interned for Biden, worked for Ted Kennedy
He previously tweeted an op-ed titled "No, Not Trump, Not Ever.":lol they didn't even vet the debate moderators

[Spurminator]

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1311809232996499457?s=20

This seems reasonable.

Basically every reasonable person was against Trump winning the election. Even on the conservative side. You lost Will, Noonan, Frum, and every other intelligent conservative when you put Trump up for the election.

Unless you want a debate on OAN, you're probably not going to get a moderator who has never expressed any apprehension over Donald Trump being the president of the United States.

You can be a reluctant Republican voter, but it's not possible to be an outright Donald Trump fan unless you're either a sociopath or a moron.

[Will Hunting]

:lol they didn't even vet the debate moderators
:lol it's ironic because Derp wants me to do his homework for him on his conspiracy theory while Trump apparently thinks the Biden campaign should have done Trump's homework while Parscale was out using campaign money to pay his consulting firm

[ChumpDumper]

:lol it's ironic because Derp wants me to do his homework for him on his conspiracy theory while Trump apparently thinks the Biden campaign should have done Trump's homework while Parscale was out using campaign money to pay his consulting firm:lol"The Party of Personal Responsibility"

[Spurtacular]

Earlier polls? I included a poll from May of 2012 with Obama up 23. Romney hadn't even won the nomination yet :lmao

:lmao "just doing weeds." Conspiracy theories are all about being in the weeds. If you actually had convictions about this theory, you'd be in the weeds too.

I recall polls showing it in play. RCP cherry picked only five polls. And frankly, the ballot box stuffing in places like Baltimore is an open secret and the polls that RCP chooses to include knows this and accounts accordingly.

But again, we're still doing weeds b/c you want to avoid my original contention.

[Chris]

You have grievances, Qhris.

also sexist

[Spurtacular]

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1311809232996499457?s=20

This seems reasonable.

By working, do they mean endorsing/advocating? Employment? Volunteering for his campaign?

[Spurtacular]

Trump's campaign agreed to the moderators. If you're pissed about this choice you can blame Trump for hiring an unqualified campaign manager who was focused on siphoning campaign money for his personal use and neglected to do stuff like vet potential debate moderators.

That's a piss-poor excuse for not independently having standards / walls of separation.

[spurraider21]

I recall polls showing it in play. RCP cherry picked only five polls. And frankly, the ballot box stuffing in places like Baltimore is an open secret and the polls that RCP chooses to include knows this and accounts accordingly.

But again, we're still doing weeds b/c you want to avoid my original contention.
your recollection has never been a reliable tool

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/odonnell_r/status/1311827566794342401?s=20

I love witnessing the growth of distrust in media in real time.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/WayneDupreeShow/status/1311652515964911617?s=20

Well at least some people are waking up to mountain of lies being pushed by the left and the propaganda outlets.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1311685923097260034?s=19
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1311731462589292544?s=19

[Will Hunting]

That's a piss-poor excuse for not independently having standards / walls of separation.
I'm not the one making excuses, Trump's campaign is. Time for his campaign to stop expecting moderator vetting welfare and to pull itself up by its bootstraps.

[Will Hunting]

https://twitter.com/WayneDupreeShow/status/1311652515964911617?s=20

Well at least some people are waking up to mountain of lies being pushed by the left and the propaganda outlets.
:lmao "this black ohio female"

Hey everyone! In case you didn't know, Trump got an endorsement from a black lady today!

[Spurminator]

That's the third or fourth time someone from the MAGA cult in this forum has posted about Rep. Kennedy endorsing Trump.

It's like they have a token fetish.

[Will Hunting]

:lmao wait, this women isn't even in the U.S. house, she's in the Ohio State legislature, and Trump supporters are flaunting her endorsement?

[Spurminator]

:lmao wait, this women isn't even in the U.S. house, she's in the Ohio State legislature, and Trump supporters are flaunting her endorsement?

And she's not even running for re-election, the state Democrats have basically been giving her a cold shoulder for 2 years.

Gosh, wonder why she might turn on her party?

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s640x640/120701376_10224534382535914_3269610442551896805_n. jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=-v4UNHqtgtcAX_xGoJS&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&tp=7&oh=de5f229d708e177e3989fb0072d80572&oe=5F9DAAC9

[Will Hunting]

That's the third or fourth time someone from the MAGA cult in this forum has posted about Rep. Kennedy endorsing Trump.

It's like they have a token fetish.
As I've said - Trump doesn't have guys like Tim Scott speaking at his convention to get the black vote, he knows that's not happening. He does it so his supporters can convince themselves the candidate they're voting for isn't racist.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/CassandraRules/status/1311830566178873345?s=20

Big tech is a threat to our country.

[Will Hunting]

https://twitter.com/CassandraRules/status/1311830566178873345?s=20

Big tech is a threat to our country.
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FlimsyAchingAxolotl-size_restricted.gif

[Spurminator]

Can't defend himself? Does he have some condition where his only form of communication is twitter.com?

[Spurminator]

I'd be willing to bet Nathan has gotten just as many suspensions for bot like behavior on Twitter as Chris.

[Will Hunting]

Can't defend himself? Does he have some condition where his only form of communication is twitter.com?
He has two forms of communication:

1) twitter.com
2) showing up to left wing Portland rallies and having his goons beat the shit out of scrawny white liberals who pose no threat

[Spurminator]

He has two forms of communication:

1) twitter.com
2) showing up to left wing Portland rallies and having his goons beat the shit out of scrawny white liberals who pose no threat

So Nathan supports violent radicals.

Can't say I'm surprised.

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/CassandraRules/status/1311830566178873345?s=20:tu

[Will Hunting]

So Nathan supports violent radicals.

Can't say I'm surprised.
Here's a good video about the Proud Boys.

Don't take my word for how violent they are, just wait for the part where Gavin Mcinnes speaks.

1311758065448910853

1311762704432943104

"We will kill you, that's the Proud Boys in a nutshell"

[ChumpDumper]

:lol their founder isn't even American and he showed off a buttplug inside himself during a live webcast to own the libs.

So sad.

[Spurtacular]

https://twitter.com/odonnell_r/status/1311827566794342401?s=20

I love witnessing the growth of distrust in media in real time.

Social media has destroyed the corporate media forever.

[Ef-man]

:lol their founder isn't even American and he showed off a buttplug inside himself during a live webcast to own the libs.

So sad.

No wonder derp likes the proud boys and their alpha male ways. :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

No wonder derp likes the proud boys and their alpha male ways. :lmaoderp, Qhris, Nathan, Frosty....all bow down to their buttplug king!

[Spurminator]

Back to the debates, what are the guesses on how many people are actually going to tune in for number two after the shit show that was the first debate?

[Will Hunting]

Back to the debates, what are the guesses on how many people are actually going to tune in for number two after the shit show that was the first debate?
I think there's a 1 in 4 chance (and that might be conservative) Trump cancels the remaining debates and uses :cryrule changes:cry as an excuse. That's what he's clearly softening the ground for right now.

[Spurtacular]

Looked into it some, Will Hunting. Not sure you even care. You seemed intent on lashing out about stuff.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2012/nov/21/chain-email/emails-blog-posts-claim-mitt-romney-got-zero-votes/


Romney won 72 of Ohio's 88 counties, including two that no Republican had won since 1972.

But yet...


Obama's margin of victory was provided by Democratic strongholds like Cuyahoga County. In some areas, his tally was so lopsided that the numbers caused disbelief.


"Mitt Romney received exactly zero votes in at least 12 Cuyahoga County precincts," one email said. Others made similar claims, citing 9 or 21 or some other number of precincts, depending on the source.

The emails and postings variously described the numbers as "strange," "disturbing," "bizarre," "alarming" and "unprecedented," and some questioned whether the figures indicated impropriety.


PolitiFact Ohio started with the unofficial returns posted by the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections for the county's 1,077 precincts.

The table shows that Romney received no votes in 17 precincts in Cleveland. Romney also was shut out in one precinct in East Cleveland. That's 18 total precincts in Cuyahoga County where Romney received no votes.

Romney got just one vote in each of 20 precincts in Cleveland, two precincts in East Cleveland and two precincts in Warrensville Heights. And he got just two votes in each of 28 other precincts in Cleveland, East Cleveland and Highland Hills.


"The vote, incredibly, was unanimous in Obama's favor in nine Cleveland precincts." (Because third-party candidates received votes in the eight other Cleveland precincts where Romney received none, those weren't unanimous.)


In his checks around the state, Exner found lopsided tallies for Obama in other urban areas, including precincts with no votes for Romney in Cincinnati (Hamilton County) and Dayton (Montgomery County).


CBS News took note of the shutout precincts in Cuyahoga County while reporting that Romney also received no votes in 59 voting divisions in Philadelphia.

[diego]

Here's a good video about the Proud Boys.

Don't take my word for how violent they are, just wait for the part where Gavin Mcinnes speaks.

1311758065448910853

1311762704432943104

"We will kill you, that's the Proud Boys in a nutshell"

deported, as in back to england? ahmad would be deported to guantanamo, i wonder how many poor fucks are still there, whats left of them anyway...

the shitshow in the US isnt funny anymore, I cant even bring myself to laugh. turns out orwell was an optimist

[Spurtacular]

"Joe Biden didn't have a knockout punch last night. He didn't even have a jab. Why? Because he doesn't have a policy that's going to actually help people's lives."

-- Jimmy Dore


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFB1LDUajZc

[ducks]

Second Presidential Debate Has Moderator Who Was Intern for Biden

This seems fair

[Will Hunting]

Second Presidential Debate Has Moderator Who Was Intern for Biden

This seems fair
You retards never stop complaining. Trump's campaign agreed to these moderators.

[spurraider21]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjSySW-XsAE6jLN?format=jpg&name=large

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[spurraider21]

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[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/eScarry/status/1311854275337822210?s=20

Our lovely first lady recognizes the left as the absolute lunatics they are.

[ChumpDumper]

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjSsc9nWsAAChoh?format=jpg&name=900x900

TRUMP LOST THE FAR RIGHT

[Will Hunting]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjSsc9nWsAAChoh?format=jpg&name=900x900
:lmao

[spurraider21]

“I’ve said it many times, let me be clear again, I condemn the KKK. I condemn all white supremacists. I condemn the Proud Boys," Trump told host Sean Hannity. "I don’t know much about the Proud Boys, almost nothing, but I condemn that.”

https://www.axios.com/trump-condemn-proud-boys-fox-417ad2b1-6579-4551-b2e6-bd9aaf51c735.html

[Will Hunting]

“I’ve said it many times, let me be clear again, I condemn the KKK. I condemn all white supremacists. I condemn the Proud Boys," Trump told host Sean Hannity. "I don’t know much about the Proud Boys, almost nothing, but I condemn that.”

https://www.axios.com/trump-condemn-proud-boys-fox-417ad2b1-6579-4551-b2e6-bd9aaf51c735.html
At this point he should have just stuck to his guns :lol, he let this story fester for 48 hours before dispositively condemning them.

[Reck]

It’s like pulling teeth with that guy. 2 days too late.

[Spurminator]

Our lovely first lady

Seriously you've never touched a boob.

[Spurtacular]

You retards never stop complaining. Trump's campaign agreed to these moderators.

Again. The Presidential Debates Committee is beholden to the American people and not just Trump.
Their lack of standards is not good.

[Will Hunting]

Also why do this on a late night show with Hannity? If you're going to condemn white supremacists after all the media pressure, do it during a press conference where all of your media enemies are there to see.

(just to be clear I'm not saying he didn't condemn them, that statement is exactly what I said he should have said, it's just bizarre how he went about it)

[Spurtacular]

Seriously you've never touched a boob.

I'd ballpark it at one in three chumpettes have sucked dick. :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Again. The Presidential Debates Committee is beholden to the American people and not just Trump.
Their lack of standards is not good.:lol you just shat on Trump's lack of standards for agreeing to the moderator

[Nathan89]

https://youtu.be/NdK4xAg4hxk

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao still trying to push the Hunter nothingburger

Stick to muh grievance.

[Bogie]

I'd ballpark it at one in three chumpettes have sucked dick. :lmao

look at the homophobia

i can’t believe Joey has not woken up just to come here and tell you what a piece of shit you are, derp

[Bogie]

https://youtu.be/NdK4xAg4hxk


cool, now do the trump children

[Will Hunting]

I used to think Jimmy Dore was a genuine left winger who just hated the Democratic Party like I did, but he's gone full blown Tulsitard hyping up every right wing boogeyman just to take a swipe at Democrats. Pretty soon he'll do a show about how mail-in ballots are fraudulent.

[Spurtacular]

I used to think Jimmy Dore was a genuine left winger who just hated the Democratic Party like I did, but he's gone full blown Tulsitard hyping up every right wing boogeyman just to take a swipe at Democrats. Pretty soon he'll do a show about how mail-in ballots are fraudulent.

Yea, he doesn't swallow the corporate BS like you choose to do. Well not all of it anyways.

[Will Hunting]

Yea, he doesn't swallow the corporate BS like you choose to do. Well not all of it anyways.
:lol says the guy who thinks Charles Koch has a constitutional right to buy elections :lol

[Spurtacular]

:lol says the guy who thinks Charles Koch has a constitutional right to buy elections :lol

If you can cite something in the Constitution that says people can't donate whatever amount, I'd like to see that.

[Will Hunting]

If you can cite something in the Constitution that says people can't donate whatever amount, I'd like to see that.
The constitutions doesn't expressly prohibit it or provide it as a freedom. The right wing "originalist" SCOTUS justices decided to strike legislation limiting PAC donations by expanding the meaning of protected, 1st amendment speech to include the non-expressive action of a corporation spending money.

[Spurtacular]

The constitutions doesn't expressly prohibit it or provide it as a freedom. The right wing "originalist" SCOTUS justices decided to strike legislation limiting PAC donations by expanding the meaning of protected, 1st amendment speech to include the non-expressive action of a corporation spending money.

I have to agree with that decision. I don't want govt. telling people how to spend their money.

As it is, big government and big money are going hand and hand. But there are things such as term limits, tighter regulations on campaign funds, open transparency of money in this digital age, etc. which can be done to keep the process more honest though.

[Will Hunting]

I have to agree with that decision. I don't want govt. telling people how to spend their money.

As it is, big government and big money are going hand and hand. But there are things such as term limits, tighter regulations on campaign funds, open transparency of money in this digital age, etc. which can be done to keep the process more honest though.
The decision completely ignores what an "originalist" is supposed to be - someone who construes the constitution as narrowly as possible and leaves legislation to the legislatures. Antonin Scalia and his ilk are originalists when it benefits them but then they become activist judges when it's left wing legislation they're looking to strike down.

Look at how much campaign spending has gone up since Citizens United. It was bad before but it's gotten exponentially worse. Kennedy's decision was also made on the faulty conclusion that PAC money was "independent" of the candidates and thus wouldn't corrupt them. I don't think the conclusion that PAC money would be "independent" of the candidate is a decision someone smart enough to be on the supreme court could ever reach in good faith. Furthermore, Kennedy assumed that there would be complete transparency as to where the money came from but his ruling actually led to billions in dark money being spent.

[Spurtacular]

The decision completely ignores what an "originalist" is supposed to be - someone who construes the constitution as narrowly as possible and leaves legislation to the legislatures. Antonin Scalia and his ilk are originalists when it benefits them but then they become activist judges when it's left wing legislation they're looking to strike down.

Look at how much campaign spending has gone up since Citizens United. It was bad before but it's gotten exponentially worse. Kennedy's decision was also made on the faulty conclusion that PAC money was "independent" of the candidates and thus wouldn't corrupt them. I don't think the conclusion that PAC money would be "independent" of the candidate is a decision someone smart enough to be on the supreme court could ever reach in good faith. Furthermore, Kennedy assumed that there would be complete transparency as to where the money came from but his ruling actually led to billions in dark money being spent.


There's nothing in the Constitution that says campaign contributions should be capped. That's as originalist as it gets.

[baseline bum]

Seriously you've never touched a boob.

Does every time in the shower tho

[Will Hunting]

There's nothing in the Constitution that says campaign contributions should be capped. That's as originalist as it gets.
That's not how the law works. There can be separate legislation that limits campaign contributions as long as said separate legislation isn't unconstitutional. The fact that it's expressly not written in the constitution doesn't mean it's unconstitutional.

Originalist means you construe the constitution as literally and narrowly as possible (i.e., "speech" is literally speech and that's it) when legislation is being challenged in court. It doesn't mean you wipe legislation as unconstitutional if it's not expressly written in the constitution.

[Spurtacular]

That's not how the law works. There can be separate legislation that limits campaign contributions as long as said separate legislation isn't unconstitutional. The fact that it's expressly not written in the constitution doesn't mean it's unconstitutional.

Originalist means you construe the constitution as literally and narrowly as possible (i.e., "speech" is literally speech and that's it) when legislation is being challenged in court. It doesn't mean you wipe legislation as unconstitutional if it's not expressly written in the constitution.

Glad SCOTUS got this one right :tu

[spurraider21]

I have to agree with that decision. I don't want govt. telling people how to spend their money.

As it is, big government and big money are going hand and hand. But there are things such as term limits, tighter regulations on campaign funds, open transparency of money in this digital age, etc. which can be done to keep the process more honest though.
so you're ok with activist judges as long as you agree with the outcome :lol

[spurraider21]

That's not how the law works. There can be separate legislation that limits campaign contributions as long as said separate legislation isn't unconstitutional. The fact that it's expressly not written in the constitution doesn't mean it's unconstitutional.

Originalist means you construe the constitution as literally and narrowly as possible (i.e., "speech" is literally speech and that's it) when legislation is being challenged in court. It doesn't mean you wipe legislation as unconstitutional if it's not expressly written in the constitution.
thats like saying you cant make murder illegal because the constitution doesnt say anything about murder :lol

[Will Hunting]

thats like saying you cant make murder illegal because the constitution doesnt say anything about murder :lol
I don't think he understands the very basic relationship (and difference) between the constitution and standard legislation that needs a simple majority vote :lol

[Spurtacular]

so you're ok with activist judges as long as you agree with the outcome :lol

I'm okay with Constitutional judges. There was nothing in the Constitution that said caps on campaign contributions is unconstitutional.

Don't try to make me out to be the subversive, pathological lite.

[Spurtacular]

thats like saying you cant make murder illegal because the constitution doesnt say anything about murder :lol

Actually, the Constitution does say murder is unconstitutional, dip shit.

[spurraider21]

I'm okay with Constitutional judges. There was nothing in the Constitution that said caps on campaign contributions is unconstitutional.

Don't try to make me out to be the subversive, pathological lite.
:lmao exactly

and then the supreme court decided that caps on campaign contributions ARE unconstitutional

[spurraider21]

Actually, the Constitution does say murder is unconstitutional, dip shit.
nope

[Will Hunting]

There was nothing in the Constitution that said caps on campaign contributions is unconstitutional.
Right, so an "originalist" justice who's hellbent on interpreting the constitution literally shouldn't arrive at the decision that caps on campaign contributions are unconstitutional.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao exactly

and then the supreme court decided that caps on campaign contributions ARE unconstitutional

Because it's an affront to Free Speech.

[spurraider21]

Right, so an "originalist" justice who's hellbent on interpreting the constitution literally shouldn't arrive at the decision that caps on campaign contributions are unconstitutional.
broken clock tbh :lol

[spurraider21]

Because it's an affront to Free Speech.


There was nothing in the Constitution that said caps on campaign contributions is unconstitutional.
choose one meme

[Spurtacular]

choose one meme

Free Speech is the First Amendment, Lite.

[spurraider21]

Free Speech is the First Amendment, Lite.
but nothing in the constitution said that caps on campaign contributions are unconstitutional

activist judge

[Spurtacular]

but nothing in the constitution said that caps on campaign contributions are unconstitutional

activist judge

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

[spurraider21]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
corporate money = speech :lmao

[Spurtacular]

corporate money = speech :lmao

If we're talking corporate donations, that's gray area. But for individuals, people should not be told by govt. how to spend their money.

[spurraider21]

If we're talking corporate donations, that's gray area. But for individuals, people should not be told by govt. how to spend their money.
citizens united was specifically about corporations, not people

[Will Hunting]

If we're talking corporate donations, that's gray area. But for individuals, people should not be told by govt. how to spend their money.
So me fraudulently transferring money in order to make it so a creditor can't go after it is me expressing free speech?

[Spurtacular]

citizens united was specifically about corporations, not people

I wouldn't say it's not about people. This all involves people.

[Will Hunting]

I wouldn't say it's not about people. This all involves people.
What do you mean to you wouldn't say it's not about people? The Citizens United ruling was specifically addressing a law that dealt with corporate donations.

[Spurtacular]

So me fraudulently transferring money in order to make it so a creditor can't go after it is me expressing free speech?

You have a right to speech, not to commit monetary fraud.

[spurraider21]

I wouldn't say it's not about people. This all involves people.
:lmao what are you even going on about

the legal issue decided in the citizen's united case was about campaign expenditures by corporations

at no point in that case did they make a ruling about individual campaign expenditures

[Will Hunting]

You have a right to speech, not to commit monetary fraud.
What the fuck is monetary fraud? I'm talking about fraudulent transfer.

If spending money however I want to = free speech, then fraudulent transfer is 1st amendment protected activity.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao what are you even going on about

the legal issue decided in the citizen's united case was about campaign expenditures by corporations

at no point in that case did they make a ruling about individual campaign expenditures


In the case, No. 08-205 (https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/558/08-205/), 558 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Supreme_Court_cases,_volume_ 558) U.S. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Reports) 310 (https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/558/310/) (2010), the non-profit organization (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonprofit_organization) Citizens United (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_(organization)) wanted to air a film critical of Hillary Clinton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton) and to advertise the film during television broadcasts, which was a violation of the 2002 Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipartisan_Campaign_Reform_Act), commonly known as the McCain–Feingold Act or "BCRA" (pronounced "bik-ruh").[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC#cite_note-LiptakJan2010-4) Section 203 of BCRA defined an "electioneering communication" as a broadcast, cable, or satellite communication that mentioned a candidate within 60 days of a general election or 30 days of a primary, and prohibited such expenditures by corporations and unions. The United States District Court for the District of Columbia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_District_Court_for_the_District_of_C olumbia) held that §203 of BCRA applied and prohibited Citizens United from advertising the film Hillary: The Movie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary:_The_Movie) in broadcasts or paying to have it shown on television within 30 days of the 2008 Democratic primaries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)_presidential_prim aries,_2008).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC#cite_note-Cornell-1)[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC#cite_note-Liptak2009-5) The Supreme Court reversed this decision, striking down those provisions of BCRA that prohibited corporations (including nonprofit corporations) and unions from making independent expenditures for "electioneering communications".[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC#cite_note-LiptakJan2010-4) The majority decision overruled Austin v. Michigan Chamber of Commerce (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_v._Michigan_Chamber_of_Commerce) (1990) and partially overruled McConnell v. Federal Election Commission (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McConnell_v._Federal_Election_Commission) (2003).[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC#cite_note-Hasen2010-6) The Court, however, upheld requirements for public disclosure by sponsors of advertisements (BCRA §201 and §311). The case did not involve the federal ban on direct contributions from corporations or unions to candidate campaigns or political parties, which remain illegal in races for federal office.[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC#cite_note-Carney2010-7)

Okay.

So, what exactly is your problem with that, Lite?

[Spurtacular]

What the fuck is monetary fraud? I'm talking about fraudulent transfer.

If spending money however I want to = free speech, then fraudulent transfer is 1st amendment protected activity.

Sure, your own money. You don't have a right to commit theft or whatever the fuck you're talking about.

[clambake]

Multi derp posting incoming.

[Spurtacular]

BTW, Hillary cried so much about the Citizens United case that I'm thinking it has to be about the best decision in SCOTUS history. :lmao

That was seriously like her number one beef. And then you read about how people we're blocked from airing her shit within X days of voting and you're like, yea that's some evil shit. No wonder that psycopath was so fucking butthurt. :lmao

[spurraider21]

Okay.

So, what exactly is your problem with that, Lite?
you cant stay on a single point.

a couple of posts ago, you said you dont want the government telling people what to do with their money, but you acknowledged that corporate money is different, and at least a gray area.

i'm telling you that citizens united dealt exclusively with how corporations can spend on campaign expenditures and now you're saying you have no problem with that. what happened to the gray area?

or are you just starting from the default position that citizens united was good, and as you learn shit about it, you end up having to convince yourself that it is good?

[Will Hunting]

Sure, your own money. You don't have a right to commit theft or whatever the fuck you're talking about.
I'm talking about fraudulent transfer, not theft or conversion. Every state has a uniform fraudulent transfer statute that restricts how people who owe creditors money are allowed to spend/transfer assets. I guess those are all unconstitutional.

[Spurtacular]

you cant stay on a single point.

a couple of posts ago, you said you dont want the government telling people what to do with their money, but you acknowledged that corporate money is different, and at least a gray area.

i'm telling you that citizens united dealt exclusively with how corporations can spend on campaign expenditures and now you're saying you have no problem with that. what happened to the gray area?

or are you just starting from the default position that citizens united was good, and as you learn shit about it, you end up having to convince yourself that it is good?

Just want to understand what exactly you're even crying about. Far as I can tell it's just a matter of #AlwaysWithHer. :lol

[Will Hunting]

or are you just starting from the default position that citizens united was good, and as you learn shit about it, you end up having to convince yourself that it is good?
Seeing that he just looked it up on wikipedia for the first time and cited a basic overview of the case presented and not the actual SCOTUS ruling, I'll go with this^

[Spurtacular]

I'm talking about fraudulent transfer, not theft or conversion. Every state has a uniform fraudulent transfer statute that restricts how people who owe creditors money are allowed to spend/transfer assets. I guess those are all unconstitutional.

I haven't advocated for fraud. You've went loony.

[Spurtacular]

BTW, Hillary cried so much about the Citizens United case that I'm thinking it has to be about the best decision in SCOTUS history. :lmao

That was seriously like her number one beef. And then you read about how people we're blocked from airing her shit within X days of voting and you're like, yea that's some evil shit. No wonder that psycopath was so fucking butthurt. :lmao

[Will Hunting]

I haven't advocated for fraud. You've went loony.
Fraudulent transfer isn't fraud. Do you know what fraudulent transfer is?

[spurraider21]

or are you just starting from the default position that citizens united was good, and as you learn shit about it, you end up having to convince yourself that it is good?


BTW, Hillary cried so much about the Citizens United case that I'm thinking it has to be about the best decision in SCOTUS history. :lmao
yep

[Spurtacular]

yep

You don't want to talk about how you're #AlwaysWithHer on this?

I guess you feel some shame. It happens.

[Spurtacular]

Seeing that he just looked it up on wikipedia for the first time and cited a basic overview of the case presented and not the actual SCOTUS ruling, I'll go with this^

My fault for starting out in the weeds (sort of). Decided to go see what really has you and Lite so bothered.
Wouldn't ya know, it's some #AlwaysWithHer sh**. :lmao


:lol Chris They're still pretty butthurt about Citizens United bitch slapping Hillary.

[spurraider21]

My fault for starting out in the weeds (sort of). Decided to go see what really has you and Lite so bothered.
Wouldn't ya know, it's some #AlwaysWithHer sh**. :lmao


:lol Chris (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1656) They're still pretty butthurt about Citizens United bitch slapping Hillary.
:lol all your principles about judicial activism, constitutionalism, gray areas when re: corporate campaign financing went out the window because of muh hillary

hillary derangement syndrome

[Spurtacular]

:lol all your principles about judicial activism, constitutionalism, gray areas when re: corporate campaign financing went out the window because of muh hillary

hillary derangement syndrome

That's retarded. I said from the start that I wasn't against the caps from the very outset and I never went against it (when will brought it up). And you didn't even say it was not about that but expenditures til later, so not sure where the disconnect is and it really doesn't even matter now; but fuck your dishonest assessment, Lite. You don't get to say I'm flip flopping when I said all along I'm for free speech and not having govt. tell people how to spend their money.

Bringing it back to the matter at hand, tell us why you're so butthurt about Citizens United bitch slapping Hillary.

[Chris]

My fault for starting out in the weeds (sort of). Decided to go see what really has you and Lite so bothered.
Wouldn't ya know, it's some #AlwaysWithHer sh**. :lmao


:lol Chris They're still pretty butthurt about Citizens United bitch slapping Hillary.

ClintonCartel4Lyfe
Media4Lyfe

:lol

[Spurtacular]

ClintonCartel4Lyfe
Media4Lyfe

:lol

Can you imagine needing to hang on so tightly to that?
Brainwashing works. Lite is a lawyer and should know better. Will strikes me as pretty smart and should know better.
I understand it with these lesser than gimpy chumpettes. Soy boys can't be held to a high account.

[Chris]

Can you imagine needing to hang on so tightly to that?
Brainwashing works. Lite is a lawyer and should know better. Will strikes me as pretty smart and should know better.
I understand it with these lesser than gimpy chumpettes. Soy boys can't be held to a high account.

It's pride, and admitting you're wrong. Something neither are capable of. Also admitting to yourself that Media and the DNC duped you for so many years. A religous person can easily overcome things like pride and cynicism, but we know both are lacking faith along with integrity. You can only pray they overcome their obstacles tbh

[Spurtacular]

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[Spurtacular]

The Right Wire Report (https://www.rightwirereport.com/) highlights:


Biden refuses to say he will not support packing the courts or abolishing the Filibuster rule. Even VP Harris could not spin (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/09/29/watch-kamala-harris-attempts-to-do-damage-control-following-the-first-presidential-debate-n2577195) that for Joe positively.
Biden accuses (https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-tells-trump-to-shut-up-calls-him-racist-clown-not-presidential-chris-wallace-runs-interference-for-biden) Trump of being Unpresidential while simultaneously telling the President of the United States to “shut up man’, You are the worse president the United States ever had”. You are a clown”, You are a liar’, “You are racist,” and “Putin’s Puppy.”
Biden pushed conspiracy theories all night, none of which have been documented as verified: Russian Bounties on U.S. Soldiers, Charlottesville good people hoax, Trump did not push Xi to investigate what happened with the virus, Antifa does not exist as an organization, Trump disparaged military, and Hunter Biden’s financial issues raised in Senate report have all been debunked somehow. Read specifics here. (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2020/09/30/one-twitter-thread-that-tracked-joe-bidens-peddling-of-liberal-media-conspiracy-n2577193)
Joe Biden showed up to debate for 90 minutes, and while he did have a few gaffes, he did not exhibit alarming signs of cognitive decline as he has been showing on the campaign trail.
Biden would shut down the economy again as a response to the pandemic, raise taxes (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/reaganmccarthy/2020/09/29/biden-lies-about-tax-cuts-n2577187) by $4 trillion and increase regulations, and support a mask mandate. Trump would not do all of the above.
Biden does not trust the vaccine the Trump administration delivers. Trump has developed Operation Warp Speed (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-trump-leading-generation-effort-ensure-americans-access-covid-19-vaccine/) and worked with five major drug companies and scientists to deliver a safe vaccine alternative asap. His administration has the military on stand by to provide delivery and support logistics to the states for those who wish to be vaccinated when the vaccine comes online.
Biden declares, “I am the Democrat Party Right Now!”
Biden does an about-face and denounces (https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/09/29/joe-biden-ditches-bernie-bros-debate-denounces-medicare-for-all-defund-police-green-new-deal/) Medicare for all, defund the police, and the AOC’s Green Deal. Bernie’s Manifesto? Bueller?
Biden confirms (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/29/joe-biden-no-coal-oil-plants-america/) no more coal or oil plants in America. Trump reaffirms all of the above, including renewable energy with clean water and air standards.
Biden’s Green energy plan will cost trillions and crush (https://www.americanexperiment.org/2020/07/bidens-new-energy-plan-is-terrible/) the economic engine.
Biden will enter U.S.back into the Paris Climate Accords.
Biden claimed a 1.4% GDP (https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/09/29/fact-check-biden-says-obama-biden-left-trump-a-booming-economy-and-trump-caused-a-recession/) was leaving Trump a booming economy.
Biden did not know the actual number (https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2020/09/29/fact-check-joe-biden-falsely-claims-15-percent-drop-in-violent-crime-on-his-watch/) that violent crime dropped under his tenure as Vice President. He stated 15% and 17% when it was 9.7%. Or that prior to falling, the rate went up as high as 20% during their term. By 2018 violent crime rates had fallen dramatically since 2016 and continued to fall (https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/preliminary-analysis-2018-fbi-uniform-crime-report) during Trump’s term until the Floyd Protests, Black Live Matters, and defund the police. Lawless mobs rioting and Democrat leadership in cities taking law enforcement resources and labeling police as enemies had resulted in huge spikes (https://dailycaller.com/2020/07/06/violence-cities-protests-george-floyd-rayshard-brooks-riots/) in crime.
Biden supports Critical Race Theory indoctrination (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/29/fact-check-chris-wallace-falsely-claimed-trump-is-ending-racial-sensitivity-training/). Wallace “confuses” CRT with sensitivity training, falsely claiming Trump has ended all sensitivity training.

[spurraider21]

That's retarded. I said from the start that I wasn't against the caps from the very outset and I never went against it (when will brought it up). And you didn't even say it was not about that but expenditures til later, so not sure where the disconnect is and it really doesn't even matter now; but fuck your dishonest assessment, Lite. You don't get to say I'm flip flopping when I said all along I'm for free speech and not having govt. tell people how to spend their money.

Bringing it back to the matter at hand, tell us why you're so butthurt about Citizens United bitch slapping Hillary.


If we're talking corporate donations, that's gray area. But for individuals, people should not be told by govt. how to spend their money.
you clearly had reservations about corporate donations, as opposed to individual ones where i acknowledge you never expressed any desire for caps

[boutons_deux]

ByeDon should withdraw from the last 2 "debates", refuse to submit himself to crippling, non-stop interruptions, verbal abuse, insults, possible covid10 infection from toxic, super-spreader Trash.

[Spurtacular]

you clearly had reservations about corporate donations, as opposed to individual ones where i acknowledge you never expressed any desire for caps

SMH. Desperately looking for cracks.

Yea, I don't consider corporations people in the way that Romney and Obama support. But people with Constitutional rights do operate in corporate settings. That layer can theoretically muddy the waters. You're trying to play gotcha for me simply showing restraint. That's just sad.

[spurraider21]

SMH. Desperately looking for cracks.

Yea, I don't consider corporations people in the way that Romney and Obama support. But people with Constitutional rights do operate in corporate settings. That layer can theoretically muddy the waters. You're trying to play gotcha for me simply showing restraint. That's just sad.
but this isn't about people within corporations making political contributions, this is the corporation itself doing it. so while the directors and officers of a corporation can individually make campaign contributions (1st amendment)... citizens united determined that the corporate entity itself could be making unlimited political contributions to PACs and whatnot.

[Spurtacular]

but this isn't about people within corporations making political contributions, this is the corporation itself doing it. so while the directors and officers of a corporation can individually make campaign contributions (1st amendment)... citizens united determined that the corporate entity itself could be making unlimited political contributions to PACs and whatnot.

And what do you find wrong about corporations making political contributions?

[Spurtacular]

:lol This gonna trigger Chumpettes

Chris (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1656) Watch between 4:35-4:45 Solid mockery :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxTRYzqoNqU

[spurraider21]

:lmao for months and months on end... TRUMP IS GOING TO DESTROY BIDEN, HE DOESNT EVEN KNOW WHERE HE IS

days leading up to the debate... Biden is on the Captain America super soldier serum, and he has a hidden earpiece like the Avengers!

day of the debate... but but biden is requesting to appear virtually! and he wants breaks every 30 minutes!

after the debate... biden was wearing a wire! chris wallace stopped letting trump interrupt. SO unfair!

[Spurtacular]

:lmao for months and months on end... TRUMP IS GOING TO DESTROY BIDEN, HE DOESNT EVEN KNOW WHERE HE IS

days leading up to the debate... Biden is on the Captain America super soldier serum, and he has a hidden earpiece like the Avengers!

day of the debate... but but biden is requesting to appear virtually! and he wants breaks every 30 minutes!

after the debate... biden was wearing a wire! chris wallace stopped letting trump interrupt. SO unfair!

All this rant. Pretty much everyone has said it was something of a win for Biden to be alert as he was during the debate and to not get totally crushed.

Trump knocked Biden to the canvas a few times. But he was able to hang on for a decision that didn't go his way.

That's performing way above expectations.

[diego]

And what do you find wrong about corporations making political contributions?

You are such a pathetic little shill. Go cry about big money some more faggot


Ps: I'm not going to bother to spell the insult out so you can pretend to understand it

[ElNono]

:lmao for months and months on end... TRUMP IS GOING TO DESTROY BIDEN, HE DOESNT EVEN KNOW WHERE HE IS

days leading up to the debate... Biden is on the Captain America super soldier serum, and he has a hidden earpiece like the Avengers!

day of the debate... but but biden is requesting to appear virtually! and he wants breaks every 30 minutes!

after the debate... biden was wearing a wire! chris wallace stopped letting trump interrupt. SO unfair!

:lol

[boutons_deux]

Visual Evidence From the First Debate Supports Speculation About Trump Suffering Strokes

Something was making Trump’s podium shake, which was evident from a shimmy of the microphone.

As we continued to observe the President, the microphone on his podium continued to oscillate at times and fall still at others.

Trump was unsteady on his feet and that his podium shook because he was gripping too hard to support himself.

But, as I reviewed the video, a different pattern emerged —


5:35 Biden and Trump enter from off stage, equidistant starting points at stage right and left,

with Biden reaching his podium well before a kinda shambling Trump

who firmly grasps his podium with both hands when he finally shuffles up to it.

6:05 Trump’s tiny hands continue to firmly grip both sides of the podium.

6:16 Joe Biden is organizing his notes and standing without support.

6:36 The moment Trump starts talking in response to Chris Wallace’s first question, he is gripping the podium with both hands as the microphone begins to shimmy back and forth.

6;46 Trump releases the podium for just a few seconds to make a gesture with each hand, but then grasps the podium against which then starts shaking again.

7:00 As Trump eases into his prepared defenses of his Amy Coney Barrett SCOTUS nomination, the shaking subsides.

10:07 As Joe Biden responds on Trump’s rush to confirm Trumps SCOTUS nominee, Trump launches his first interruption of Biden, to lie about how many Americans have preexisting conditions, and the moment the camera cuts over to Trump. His podium is already shaking as he grips it with both hands.

10:12 Trump releases his podium to gesture, but the podium starts shaking again, as seen in the shimmy of the microphone, as soon as Trump grabs it again with both of his tiny Hands.

10:52 Trump gestures with his left hand, as he grasps the podium with his right, causing it to gently shake again.

12:14 As Trump gestures with his right hand, while grasping the podium only with his left hand, the podium does not shake, but, simultaneously, Trump lists to his right side after having previously remained steadily upright.

12:35 The instant Trump grasps the podium with his right hand again, the microphone resumes shimmying from the shaking podium. As he releases his right hand to gesture again, the shaking of the podium stops.


Essential tremor, which Trump might now suffer after previous ischemic episodes, is directly relevant to the current President’s fitness for office.

the health frailties of Donald John Trump add just one more layer to the enormously tall cake of the current President’s disqualifications.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/10/1/1982320/-Visual-Evidence-From-the-First-Debate-Supports-Speculation-About-Trump-Suffering-Strokes

https://www.google.com/search?q=Essential+tremor&oq=Essential+tremor&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[Bogie]

That's retarded. I said from the start that I wasn't against the caps from the very outset and I never went against it (when will brought it up). And you didn't even say it was not about that but expenditures til later, so not sure where the disconnect is and it really doesn't even matter now; but fuck your dishonest assessment, Lite. You don't get to say I'm flip flopping when I said all along I'm for free speech and not having govt. tell people how to spend their money.

Bringing it back to the matter at hand, tell us why you're so butthurt about Citizens United bitch slapping Hillary.


this is dumb even for you.

How would you not understand this with all those legal classes you took at devry?

And you always default to begging for help from one of the other deficients when you’re getting shit on over and over.

[Will Hunting]

:lol wait, Derp claims to have taken law class?

[Winehole23]

Seeing that he just looked it up on wikipedia for the first time and cited a basic overview of the case presented and not the actual SCOTUS ruling, I'll go with this^

(Background for posters actually curious about Citizens United)

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-205.pdf
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144851

[Winehole23]

:lol wait, Derp claims to have taken law class?Yep
.

[Spurtacular]

You are such a pathetic little shill. Go cry about big money some more faggot


Ps: I'm not going to bother to spell the insult out so you can pretend to understand it

#AlwaysWithHer tears. :lol

[Spurtacular]

https://i.imgflip.com/4gwix1.jpg

[koriwhat]

https://i.imgflip.com/4gwix1.jpg

:lmao

[Spurminator]

Trump should have to take a drug test before the next debate.

[spurraider21]

wallace was letting trump take over every question to biden :lol... he was too soft on trump if anything.

if he looked anti trump because of the interruptions its because trump was literally unhinged the entire time and couldnt shut the fuck up when it was biden's designated time. wallace should have cut trump off 2-3x more than he did tbh, he was too soft

[Dirks_Finale]

https://i.imgflip.com/4gwix1.jpg

:lol

[Will Hunting]

wallace was letting trump take over every question to biden :lol... he was too soft on trump if anything.

if he looked anti trump because of the interruptions its because trump was literally unhinged the entire time and couldnt shut the fuck up when it was biden's designated time. wallace should have cut trump off 2-3x more than he did tbh, he was too soft
That’s how Republicans handle everything.

Act like a wild animal or take a ridiculous stance, then cry :cry liberal bias :cry when they’re criticized for refusing to budge from their radical right wing views.

[spurraider21]

That’s how Republicans handle everything.

Act like a wild animal or take a ridiculous stance, then cry :cry liberal bias :cry when they’re criticized for refusing to budge from their radical right wing views.
like when the legion of boom would commit PI every other play basically daring the refs to throw flags every third down :lol

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/120217432_10224478306209020_7814653040198938705_o. jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=843cd7&_nc_ohc=IZa757hCe5sAX8JNEAh&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&tp=7&oh=81fd0f2e097ed389afd1b2d4262aec68&oe=5F9DD5E6

[velik_m]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un9x-DjTMT0

[FrostKing]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/120217432_10224478306209020_7814653040198938705_o. jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=843cd7&_nc_ohc=IZa757hCe5sAX8JNEAh&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&tp=7&oh=81fd0f2e097ed389afd1b2d4262aec68&oe=5F9DD5E6
Fat bearded white trash

Guarantee he's a kneeler

[Reck]

Fat bearded white trash

Guarantee he's a kneeler

You just described your typical Trump supporter.

[koriwhat]

Fat bearded white trash

Guarantee he's a kneeler

what gave it away? the man boobs? :lmao

[koriwhat]

You just described your typical Trump supporter.

lmao the delusions of retard reck... i have quite a bit of clientele of all types of characters and those that are trumpers don't fit that description whatsoever. i'm sure they exist out there but none of my clients fit that description.

you have no life experience and talk strictly out of your ass reck. it's so blatantly obvious too. a lot of yall do this tbh.

[Reck]

lmao the delusions of retard reck... i have quite a bit of clientele of all types of characters and those that are trumpers don't fit that description whatsoever. i'm sure they exist out there but none of my clients fit that description.

you have no life experience and talk strictly out of your ass reck. it's so blatantly obvious too. a lot of yall do this tbh.

Google. Use it, crackhead.

[koriwhat]

Google. Use it, crackhead.

google what retard reck? i can find the same white trash neckbeards on the left so what's your point exactly?

you want to call me a crackhead because you're a dipshit that thinks he's got the upper hand. you don't bud and you know it. the same demo you're claiming are nothing but trumpers can be found on the left too and especially within the "bernie bros" camp but also straight ticket dem. now lets discuss the obese multicolored femnazis on the left. hahaha

[Winehole23]

citizens united was specifically about corporations, not people(Minor point, Citizens United lifted contribution caps for labor unions too).

[Reck]

Biden doing an extra town hall before the second debate while Trump rage tweets. :tu

Tonight at 8:

https://youtu.be/5xTNKVqsLKoHe

[rmt]

That’s how Republicans handle everything.

Act like a wild animal or take a ridiculous stance, then cry :cry liberal bias :cry when they’re criticized for refusing to budge from their radical right wing views.

Aren't most of these the views of our parents, grandparents and great-grandparents? And isn't it the liberal view that's different, "progress"ive

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lib·er·al
/ˈlib(ə)rəl/

adjective
1.
open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.

[Will Hunting]

Aren't most of these the views of our parents, grandparents and great-grandparents? And isn't it the liberal view that's different, "progress"ive

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lib·er·al
/ˈlib(ə)rəl/

adjective
1.
open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.
By this logic being pro-slavery isn't a radical view since it would just be doing what our great-great-great-great-grandparents wanted.

[Spurminator]

My grandparents didn't believe people should marry outside of their race. "Traditional values" is a selective and meaningless fetish.

[Will Hunting]

My grandparents didn't believe people should marry outside of their race. "Traditional values" is a selective and meaningless fetish.
:lol same. My grandma told me that if I ever married a black woman she would take me out of her will. I'd consider "traditional values" to be very radical vs. where society is today.

[boutons_deux]

Gay men overwhelm Twitter taking back #ProudBoys and it is glorious

https://images.dailykos.com/images/864637/story_image/GettyImages-997680544.jpg?1601834863


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https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/10/4/1983433/-Gay-men-overwhelm-Twitter-taking-back-ProudBoys-and-it-is-glorious?detail=emaildkre

[rmt]

By this logic being pro-slavery isn't a radical view since it would just be doing what our great-great-great-great-grandparents wanted.

Careful with those words: you could be speaking to a descendant of a slave - don't you know, according to some on this board, I'm BLACK :-)

For once on this board, I'd like to have a conversation that doesn't end in race/slavery. Will be back later - my lunch hour is ovah.

[spurraider21]

Careful with those words: you could be speaking to a descendant of a slave - don't you know, according to some on this board, I'm BLACK :-)

For once on this board, I'd like to have a conversation that doesn't end in race/slavery. Will be back later - my lunch hour is ovah.
no need to be careful with anything. he's right. appealing to tradition would have been a great justification against abolition

[Will Hunting]

Careful with those words: you could be speaking to a descendant of a slave - don't you know, according to some on this board, I'm BLACK :-)

For once on this board, I'd like to have a conversation that doesn't end in race/slavery. Will be back later - my lunch hour is ovah.
Convenient way to avoid addressing the argument I just made (and no, I'm not talking about your lunch break).

[koriwhat]

Convenient way to avoid addressing the argument I just made (and no, I'm not talking about your lunch break).

you white knighting for the black community is hilarious considering how blatantly racist you are racistWill.

[Will Hunting]

you white knighting for the black community is hilarious considering how blatantly racist you are racistWill.
:lol I triggered Joey so badly and I don’t even know how

[Reck]

Biden working that crowd well.

[Reck]

1313937641805496320 (https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1313937641805496320?s=21)

:lol Biden reliving old glory while dick slapping Paul Ryan.

[koriwhat]

Biden working that crowd well.

the crowd full of biden supporters, with prior tv appearances, claiming to be independents? :lmao

[Reck]

the crowd full of biden supporters, with prior tv appearances, claiming to be independents? :lmao

:lol You saw his entire town hall

[koriwhat]

:lol You saw his entire town hall

why would i waste my time on that garbage? i saw enough just like past town halls where the same tactic was used only to claim otherwise on MSM news outlets. it's the same ol' tune with the left.

[AaronY]

Yeah buddy..

1313966277875183616

[Spurtacular]

Yeah buddy..

1313966277875183616

So Biden who has never been popular ever before is suddenly popular?

What did it?

The dementia?

The rape allegations?

The increased exposure on his lies?

The increased exposure on his molestation past?

Giving the finger to the far left?

Surely the fact that nobody comes to his events is just a fluke, right?

[Reck]

Yeah buddy..

1313966277875183616

You must be riding on dex higher than Trump, eh Aaron?

You were team Biden from the word god. :tu

[Will Hunting]

Yeah buddy..

1313966277875183616
He's won a lot of progressives over. I'm not just supporting him because I hate Trump, I think his platform is a very fair compromise between the moderate left and progressive left.

[Reck]

That divider looks fairly weak. If someone has the virus, they’ll get it from one another.

[hater]

Anybody that thinks Kamala will have a great night is in for a rude awakening :lmao

She sucks. Animatronics Mike Penis will have a very shitty opponent

[RD2191]

:downspin:

[Will Hunting]

What the fuck is wrong with Mike Penis's eye?

[GB20]

What the fuck is wrong with Mike Penis's eye?
Could be corona.

[JamStone]

Lmao Kamala’s facial expressions already so meme-able

[Will Hunting]

Could be corona.
Could be pinkeye from his truck stop bathroom lover.

[hater]

What the fuck is wrong with Mike Penis's eye?

T1000 after a dead ey3 golf club hit

[hater]

Lmao Kamala’s facial expressions already so meme-able

Has it ever looked non memeable?

[hater]

:lmao the white house

Theyre like the pirates of the caribbean at this point :lol

https://twitter.com/jenstilmanydots/status/1314011368563990528?s=19

[Reck]

Animatronics Mike Penis

:lmao

This guy is so fucking boring. How can anyone lose to that? No way

[Monostradamus]

:lmao this mountain of bullshit Pence is building is going to top Everest before this is over.

[Reck]

Pence is dunking on himself.

:lmao We respect the American people by lying and letting them all die.

[Monostradamus]

Also why can’t any of these moderators show even the slightest bit of backbone?

[tholdren]

LololoolIllolloollo

[spurraider21]

Kamala doing a much better job than Biden re not getting interrupted

[RD2191]

Pence is dunking on himself.

:lmao We respect the American people by lying and letting them all die.
:lol

[tholdren]

Bwahzhayuayahahhayaysyysyssysys
The debatez

[Spurtacular]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/16c70e194b4eec813a03fdd203a84c44/tumblr_nqfei1PCLB1s5v0leo1_400.gifv

[JamStone]

:lmao this mountain of bullshit Pence is building is going to top Everest before this is over.

Tbh Trump packed Pence’s climbing gear, and it’s two toothpicks and dental floss.

[Will Hunting]

No one is buying the calm and kind evangelical act from Mike Penis anymore.

[Spurtacular]

Also why can’t any of these moderators show even the slightest bit of backbone?

Not enough soy in their diet, amirite?

[spurraider21]

:lmao pence completely ignoring the question

[Spurtacular]

No one is buying the calm and kind evangelical act from Mike Penis anymore.

But they're buying Joe and Kamal's acts?

[Monostradamus]

This message is hidden because Spurtacular is on your ignore list (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/profile.php?do=ignorelist).
:lmao replying to me yet again

[tholdren]

Democrats should be hiding harris. She's worse than Biden

[Will Hunting]

But they're buying Joe and Kamal's acts?
Those acts didn't get 215k people killed.

[Monostradamus]

Kamala isn’t doing herself any favors with the “child of a poverty stricken coal miner” act, I gotta think at this point all of America does a united eyeroll at this bullshit.

[tholdren]

Those acts didn't get 215k people killed.

Can't stop old age

[spurraider21]

Kamala isn’t doing herself any favors with the “child of a poverty stricken coal miner” act, I gotta think at this point all of America does a united eyeroll at this bullshit.
she completely dodged the same question pence did, wtf :lol

[Will Hunting]

Mike Penis lobbed a few gopher balls at Kamala that she completely whiffed on.

[Trainwreck2100]

Neither of these tools answering the fucking questions now

[Reck]

Yeah like Trump is going to willingly release his medical records. Lol

[JamStone]

Nice token compliments of the historic nature of Harris’ selection by Penis.

He’s drowning and trying throw himself a lifesaver.