Jakob Poeltl is finalizing a three-year, near $27M deal to return to San Antonio

[spurraider21]

10 blocks over the last 4 games, I think it's safe to say he's thawing tbh.
i just wonder if he'll ever be able to keep the fouls down. because otherwise if he plays at the level we've seen last 2-3 games, that second unit should continue to roll, not to mention when we get White back up and running

[Mugen]

i just wonder if he'll ever be able to keep the fouls down. because otherwise if he plays at the level we've seen last 2-3 games, that second unit should continue to roll, not to mention when we get White back up and running

That's definitely the biggest concern with him tbh. He'll always be soft as shit in the paint so the ship has sailed on fixing that.

I'm inclined to think the fouls is just a reps thing where he tries to do too much in a bench role and he becomes more accustomed once he's starter with starter mins. But that was a problem for him during the bubble as well.

[spurraider21]

That's definitely the biggest concern with him tbh. He'll always be soft as shit in the paint so the ship has sailed on fixing that.

I'm inclined to think the fouls is just a reps thing where he tries to do too much in a bench role and he becomes more accustomed once he's starter with starter mins. But that was a problem for him during the bubble as well.
if anything the fouling tells me he's at least trying to be physical

[RC_Drunkford]

Glad the turtle is getting back to playing his game. Still would like for him to fix that freethrow %

[KingKev]

Sell high!!

[DAF86]

Sell high!!

We already bought low.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Sell high!!

You’d have to be high to sell now. Look at how the team performs when he is on the court.

[ragas]

Poeltl-Interview with the Austrian Press Agency (APA) about CoV, his role, his performance and the Spurs going forward.


Pöltl is preparing for a new CoV break

The coronavirus pandemic has already shaken up the schedule of the new season of the National Basketball Association (NBA). Despite a strict security concept, 15 games had to be canceled in the first four weeks. Jakob Pöltl is therefore preparing for another complete game stop. His great hope for a "normal" operation is widespread vaccination.

"If there are too many diseases in society, or if it no longer makes sense in terms of sport, you definitely have to consider what the alternatives are," Pöltl is quoted in the APA. All teams are affected to a similar extent by failures and postponements, but the Viennese already locates a certain “competitive distortion”.

Due to infections and close contacts, several clubs recently did not have the required eight ready-to-use players. In addition, the league has already tightened the hygiene measures. "We only spend the time in the hotel or in the hall, otherwise there is a curfew," said Pöltl before a guest appearance of his San Antonio Spurs at the Golden State Warriors. "We are in self-isolation, there are stricter mask requirements." The protection may only be removed for eating, in your own rooms and on the playing field.

The preparation for the games is therefore monotonous and not ideal, but what must be, must be, according to the Viennese. "Of course I can imagine better conditions, but I can live with them," said Pöltl about the ongoing match. "As long as it is not dangerous or too distorting of competition, I have no problem with it." The NBA professional also has hopes for a nationwide vaccination: "Hopefully it will come soon and increasingly for everyone."

Pöltl relies on constant growth
In terms of sport, Pöltl was finally on the upswing at the beginning of January after what it said was a "hangover". In the last two games, the 25-year-old scored double digits and received great praise for his defensive performance. “These are normal ups and downs,” said Pöltl, who after his three-year extension at the Spurs will initially have to line up behind center veteran LaMarcus Aldridge. However, the 35-year-old's contract expires at the end of the season.


Pöltl emphasized that he had no problem with his playing minutes, so far just under 20 per game. "If I consistently perform, play defense and play my role offensively, the minutes will go up over time." He wants to keep expanding his role. But primarily it is about winning games. And that's what the Spurs are doing so far. With eight wins from 14 games, the Texans are on a play-off spot that many would not have thought they would have expected at the start of the season.

“I don't want to interpret too much. We played good basketball against a couple of strong opponents, you can build on that, but we haven't achieved anything yet, ”said Pöltl. The way to the desired goal of the knockout round, which was missed for the first time last season after 22 years of continuous participation, is still a long way. "We still have to give a lot more gas if we want to be in the play-offs at the end of the season."

[spurraider21]

what does he want to expand his role to?

[Seventyniner]

what does he want to expand his role to?

Starter, most likely. imo Poeltl is fine being the 5th option when he's on the floor, but if the Spurs really did promise him a chance at starting as part of getting him to agree to his contract, it's hard to imagine keeping Aldridge past this year.

[rankingtear]

Gobert level rim protection at a quarter of the price. This overpaid bum.

[venitian navigator]

Starter, most likely. imo Poeltl is fine being the 5th option when he's on the floor, but if the Spurs really did promise him a chance at starting as part of getting him to agree to his contract, it's hard to imagine keeping Aldridge past this year.

I think the opposite. LMA will be 36 next year and while he's still an offensive weapon he has become a clear defensive liability...with little to none hope to improve that much in that department. So, Imho, if he's not willing at all cost go be back in Portland, it will be in his best interest to accept a more limited role in a supposedly winning team like our team could be in the next future.

[tbdog]

At this point, he probably should start and then get LMA touches in the second unit.

[Light]

At this point, he probably should start and then get LMA touches in the second unit.

Would look closer to the bubble lineup, tbh.

[Kurgan]

Gobert level rim protection at a quarter of the price. This overpaid bum.

You get what you pay for. He doesn't rebound or finish anywhere near Gobert's level. And he's so foul prone that it's impossible to play him Gobert's kind of minutes. Jakob has never had a season above 20 mpg while Gobert's been a 30 mpg player his entire career.

[rankingtear]

You get what you pay for. He doesn't rebound or finish anywhere near Gobert's level. And he's so foul prone that it's impossible to play him Gobert's kind of minutes. Jakob has never had a season above 20 mpg while Gobert's been a 30 mpg player his entire career.

Exactly especially if you have no other rim protector.

[John B]

Chip has got to work with him as Poeltl has ZERO confidence on his free throws, especially with Aldridge’s defense in the milk box. Poeltl hits those free throws and dunk those layups, we have ourselves a very good team. That’s the bottomline and it all hangs on Poeltl sinking that ball.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Chip has got to work with him as Poeltl has ZERO confidence on his free throws, especially with Aldridge’s defense in the milk box. Poeltl hits those free throws and dunk those layups, we have ourselves a very good team. That’s the bottomline and it all hangs on Poeltl sinking that ball.

Man, way to bring me down.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

It's more mental with his free throw shooting, although his mechanics do look terrible. Still, he was close to 55-60% from the line in college and his first couple of NBA seasons. No reason he can't get back to that %, which would be fine.

[John B]

Man, way to bring me down.
It’s true though. Poeltl has the rim protection, the rebound. And Spurs won with Aldridge scoring 5 against a quality team. All other things given, Poeltl hitting those is a game changer imo

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He's at 23% right now. On pace to crush the all-time worst FT % of 30% by Ben Wallace.

Means he's unplayable late in games. Assuming he's not already in foul trouble. His defense is nice. Outside of that he's a complete liability, offensively. Even within 5 feet, he's likely not to finish. And teams are absolutely gonna start fouling him when he's on the floor at the end of quarters.

Imagine expecting 9M/yr when you can't put yourself in a fucking gym in the midst of a pandemic to at least improve your form so your shot looks better. He's absolutely regressed there. An NBA PLAYER should never be below 40%, let alone 25%. Pathetic.

[rankingtear]

He's at 23% right now. On pace to crush the all-time worst FT % of 30% by Ben Wallace.

Means he's unplayable late in games. Assuming he's not already in foul trouble. His defense is nice. Outside of that he's a complete liability, offensively. Even within 5 feet, he's likely not to finish. And teams are absolutely gonna start fouling him when he's on the floor at the end of quarters.

Imagine expecting 9M/yr when you can't put yourself in a fucking gym in the midst of a pandemic to at least improve your form so your shot looks better. He's absolutely regressed there. An NBA PLAYER should never be below 40%, let alone 25%. Pathetic.

Relax the free throws are just at 1.2 attempts per game. Every other game he shoots 2 free throws. He's at 70% at the rim this season. He shoots so few free throws that the percentage would be closer to career 50% than 23% with more attempts.

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Relax the free throws are just at 1.2 attempts per game. Every other game he shoots 2 free throws. He's at 70% at the rim this season.

Last night was the first time Hack-a-Jak was employed. Won't be the last. I think he's **airballed** 4 FTs already, *this year*, 19 games into the season. Kobe said he never airballed a FT *in his life.*

And yes, he's at 70% mostly on layups. His percentage drops drastically for every 12 inches he moves out.

In fact, he basically doesn't take shots beyond 4 feet out. Teams can double off of him. And he's an offensive liability that will increasingly be exposed as his minutes increase. There's a reason the Spurs are 0-4 with him in the starting lineup.

[mookie2001]

Yeah I was about to say he’s the worst FT shooter of all time. Bring in Chris Dudley as his personal coach good god

[rankingtear]

Last night was the first time Hack-a-Jak was employed. Won't be the last. I think he's **airballed** 4 FTs already, *this year*, 19 games into the season. Kobe said he never airballed a FT *in his life.*

And yes, he's at 70% mostly on layups. His percentage drops drastically for every 12 inches he moves out.

In fact, he basically doesn't take shots beyond 4 feet out. Teams can double off of him. And he's an offensive liability that will increasingly be exposed as his minutes increase. There's a reason the Spurs are 0-4 with him in the starting lineup.

If he's such a liability why did the nuggets try to take him out of the game.

Poeltl + Aldridge > Poeltl + Eubanks.

[KingKev]

Yeah I was about to say he’s the worst FT shooter of all time. Bring in Chris Dudley as his personal coach good god

he is the new Bryn Forbes. Thankfully he can’t stay in the game for more than 20 minutes without getting in foul trouble. Watching him makes me miss Matt Bonner.

[R. DeMurre]

Poeltl is the least of San Antonio's problems, in my opinion-- and honestly, not even a problem at all. He makes an average salary, and consistently posts incredible advanced stats with a second unit that is the main reason the Spurs have a winning record... he's basically the Bruce Bowen of a team that doesn't have a Timmy or a Manu.

[Chinook]

If he's such a liability who did the nuggets try to take him out of the game.

Poeltl + Aldrich > Poeltl + Eubanks.

They weren't trying to take him out, per se. They were trying to get SA to waste possessions. Right now, SA can expect to get like .48 points per possession when Poeltl is shooting FTs. There's not a defense in the world that will get better PPP than that. I don't think they minded that SA would take Poeltl out, since they seemed to have a good handle on LMA. But the goal was to waste that chance for the Spurs.

That said, Poeltl isn't useless away from the rim. His passing is a plus from that range, and the Spurs should probably give him more short-rolls to let him make decisions from the high post. It wouldn't be as effective as it could be if Poe where a threat, but it's a nice change-up to him fully rolling every time.

[KobesAchilles]

Relax the free throws are just at 1.2 attempts per game. Every other game he shoots 2 free throws. He's at 70% at the rim this season. He shoots so few free throws that the percentage would be closer to career 50% than 23% with more attempts.
Lol relax at shooting 23% free throws? What kinda bull shit is this? So you just randomly double his free throw percentage based on what exactly? I feel like if he shot more free throws his percentage would go up. Ok in that case Poetl should shoot more outside jumpers since that’s all it takes to become adequate. There is no defending 23% ever. EVER.

He’s barely playing 20 minutes a game and his defense is usually pretty good (not like DPOY like most people act like he is). But if he’s hacked, how tf is he gonna stay on the floor? Malone used the strategy bc he rather LMA no defense guard his best player than Poetl. And Poetl, knowing he had to stay on the floor, responded with an air ball. That’s being a shitty teammate that you can’t count on tbh.

[KobesAchilles]

For perspective on those saying his free throws aren’t a big deal. He has to make 14 in a row to get up to 50%. However, he only has to miss 2 in a row to be at 20%. Which percentage seems more plausible?

And this isn’t to hate on Jakob, bc he is a wonderful 18 minute a game guy. But this is more for anybody who says he should be a starter or play 30 something minutes. You just can’t suck that much offensively and be that big of a minute player. This isn’t 2005 anymore. Defense isn’t played anymore. You gotta adjust to the new rules. Offense is what wins.

[Dejounte]

For perspective on those saying his free throws aren’t a big deal. He has to make 14 in a row to get up to 50%. However, he only has to miss 2 in a row to be at 20%. Which percentage seems more plausible?

And this isn’t to hate on Jakob, bc he is a wonderful 18 minute a game guy. But this is more for anybody who says he should be a starter or play 30 something minutes. You just can’t suck that much offensively and be that big of a minute player. This isn’t 2005 anymore. Defense isn’t played anymore. You gotta adjust to the new rules. Offense is what wins.

"defense isn't played anymore"

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LMA: "I like this guy!"

[rankingtear]

Lol relax at shooting 23% free throws? What kinda bull shit is this? So you just randomly double his free throw percentage based on what exactly? I feel like if he shot more free throws his percentage would go up. Ok in that case Poetl should shoot more outside jumpers since that’s all it takes to become adequate. There is no defending 23% ever. EVER.

He’s barely playing 20 minutes a game and his defense is usually pretty good (not like DPOY like most people act like he is). But if he’s hacked, how tf is he gonna stay on the floor? Malone used the strategy bc he rather LMA no defense guard his best player than Poetl. And Poetl, knowing he had to stay on the floor, responded with an air ball. That’s being a shitty teammate that you can’t count on tbh.

Yes. Statistically it would be closer to his career average.

And to the point of offset of Jakob not being able to close quarters there was a rule change in the 2016-2017 season.

Away-from-the-ball fouls now award the fouled team a free throw and possession of the ball in the final 2 minutes of each quarter, extended from the prior rule affecting only the final 2 minutes of the 4th quarter.

[rankingtear]

For perspective on those saying his free throws aren’t a big deal. He has to make 14 in a row to get up to 50%. However, he only has to miss 2 in a row to be at 20%. Which percentage seems more plausible?

And this isn’t to hate on Jakob, bc he is a wonderful 18 minute a game guy. But this is more for anybody who says he should be a starter or play 30 something minutes. You just can’t suck that much offensively and be that big of a minute player. This isn’t 2005 anymore. Defense isn’t played anymore. You gotta adjust to the new rules. Offense is what wins.

Ok this got out of hand.

[Dejounte]

"defense isn't played anymore"

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/45/a0/a9/45a0a9d4b21beb58074a25e3420f3a60.jpg

LMA: "I like this guy!"

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Bryn: "I agree Lamarcus. I like this guy. Defense isn't being played anymore. The Spurs would never replace me because of that. No way."

[KobesAchilles]

Ok this got out of hand.
League average of points per game is 111 Dejounte. Silver changed all the rules to benefit offense the same way Goodell did in the NFL. Prior to these last few seasons, you had to go back to 1972 to get a season that was at 111 points per game.

[Dejounte]

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Bryn: "I agree Lamarcus. I like this guy. Defense isn't being played anymore. The Spurs would never replace me because of that. No way."

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Popovich: "Hold on, guys. This is the same guy who claimed he has my direct line and said that we finally listened to him on how to handle Dejounte. THEN he claimed he was just being sarcastic and forgot the blue font. Don't trust this guy. He sounds like he's full of shit.

...

...

Wait a second, did he just back his argument by saying the league average for points is higher so therefore defense isn't being played and doesn't matter anymore???"

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[KobesAchilles]

Yes. Statistically it would be closer to his career average.

And to the point of offset of Jakob not being able to close quarters there was a rule change in the 2016-2017 season.

Away-from-the-ball fouls now award the fouled team a free throw and possession of the ball in the final 2 minutes of each quarter, extended from the prior rule affecting only the final 2 minutes of the 4th quarter.


His free throw percentage this year has nothing to do with his past. At least I was able to admit I was wrong about DJ. You can’t do the same when it comes to Poetl. Just admit that 23% is something that none of us should relax on. That he is more likely to miss two in a row than make 14 in a row. Like ur seriously so scared to admit that ur wrong that you just said a player that has made 5 free throws all year (and missed 18) is more likely to make 14 in a row than miss 2 in a row. I will bet you that he misses 2 in a row before he makes 14 in a row.

[KobesAchilles]

https://uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/gregg-popovich.jpg

Popovich: "Hold on, guys. This is the same guy who claimed he has my direct line and said that we finally listened to him on how to handle Dejounte. THEN he claimed he was just being sarcastic and forgot the blue font. Don't trust this guy. He sounds like he's full of shit.

...

...

Wait a second, did he just back his argument by saying the league average for points is higher so therefore defense isn't being played and doesn't matter anymore???"

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False DJ. I never said defense doesn’t matter. I said it isn’t being played anymore. There’s a difference. Name a great defensive team today. Every contender scores a shit ton of points and their defense is shaky.

[couchman]

Poeltl has been good in his role for the last few weeks.
I do think he needs to address the FT issue if he is ever to get more minutes.
What is more embarrassing, shooting 22% FTs or shooting them underhanded? I think he needs to try underhanded.

[KobesAchilles]

Still waiting for that great defensive team Dejounte. Still waiting for that bet ranktear. Easy to shit talk earlier. Now... crickets

[Dejounte]

Still waiting for that great defensive team Dejounte. Still waiting for that bet ranktear. Easy to shit talk earlier. Now... crickets

You literally gave me 10 minutes to respond and you're saying crickets?

The problem is you keep comparing today's defense with yesterday's defense.

It's all relative.

The best defensive teams today stand out among other NBA teams. That's just a simple fact.

If you have league pass, all you have to do is check out the top 10 teams in defense today and see how much of a joy it is to watch a team that can make stops. The Bucks are an example. The Jazz and the Lakers are others.

Teams that are in the top 10 in defense still win championships. Fact.

[Dejounte]

Like someone said,

Poetl is the least of the team's concerns right now.

The team is suffering from unreliable offense from its starting SG and unreliable defense from its starting C.

Surprisingly, Keldon is holding his own at the PF spot.

So if we are to look at holes to fill, those are the spots we should be whining about.

Not a player who's being paid bench money playing a bench role.

Earlier in the season, Poetl deserved all the bashing. He's stepped up on defense since and he's been superb at it.


Edit:

The unreliable offense from the SG position will be fixed tonight by White.

Edit #2:

It could also be fixed by starting Vassell.

[NASpurs]

Man, can you imagine starting Vassell and then coming with a bench of Mills, Lonnie, White, Gay and Poeltl? Nuts.

[rankingtear]

His free throw percentage this year has nothing to do with his past. At least I was able to admit I was wrong about DJ. You can’t do the same when it comes to Poetl. Just admit that 23% is something that none of us should relax on. That he is more likely to miss two in a row than make 14 in a row. Like ur seriously so scared to admit that ur wrong that you just said a player that has made 5 free throws all year (and missed 18) is more likely to make 14 in a row than miss 2 in a row. I will bet you that he misses 2 in a row before he makes 14 in a row.


It does, we are only 19 games in. He is shooting 50% on 279 attempts before this season and 23% on 24 attempts. Not even 1/4 his attempts per season. Statistically it should be closer to 50% than 20%. Nobody is guarding him on those attempts, the form didn't seem to change. There is no way to know if its mental.

I don't know what to tell you, i still believe it would be closer to his career average.

[KobesAchilles]

It does, we are only 19 games in. He is shooting 50% on 279 attempts before this season and 23% on 24 attempts. Not even 1/4 his attempts per season. Statistically it should be closer to 50% than 20%. Nobody is guarding him on those attempts, the form didn't seem to change. There is no way to know if its mental.

I don't know what to tell you, i still believe it would be closer to his career average.
There’s more than just saying it’s mental stuff though. Did he work on free throws during the off-season? Did he get his contract and like a lot of other players just mail it in during the off-season. From what I can tell, he hasn’t added one thing to his game this year from previous years. Did he pout bc Pop told him his role was going to be the same and just say eff it, I’m going to just do what I always do and get by.

I don’t know the answers but it’s not always as simple as saying well it’s mental. If the dude was in the gym working on his free throws during the off-season, he would be able to sink them this year when many teams don’t even have fans or if they do it’s less than a fourth of capacity.

[KobesAchilles]

Like someone said,

Poetl is the least of the team's concerns right now.

The team is suffering from unreliable offense from its starting SG and unreliable defense from its starting C.

Surprisingly, Keldon is holding his own at the PF spot.

So if we are to look at holes to fill, those are the spots we should be whining about.

Not a player who's being paid bench money playing a bench role.

Earlier in the season, Poetl deserved all the bashing. He's stepped up on defense since and he's been superb at it.


Edit:

The unreliable offense from the SG position will be fixed tonight by White.

Edit #2:

It could also be fixed by starting Vassell.
But Poetl is a problem and ur not even addressing it. LMA is trash on D this year (I think everyone can agree to this). Would t it be nice to have a reliable big man that can legitimately take away his minutes? Wouldn’t that solve a lot of issues? Like if Poetl could give us 12 and 8 and 65% from free throws, and play 35 minutes a game. Does this not fix one of the problems you are talking about. It totally would. But he is so inept on one side of the ball that he is no longer a possible solution to our problem.

Like I said, I wish we could combine the two players into one instead of playing two flawed ones

[KobesAchilles]

You literally gave me 10 minutes to respond and you're saying crickets?

The problem is you keep comparing today's defense with yesterday's defense.

It's all relative.

The best defensive teams today stand out among other NBA teams. That's just a simple fact.

If you have league pass, all you have to do is check out the top 10 teams in defense today and see how much of a joy it is to watch a team that can make stops. The Bucks are an example. The Jazz and the Lakers are others.

Teams that are in the top 10 in defense still win championships. Fact.
Yes it is all relative. But would any of the teams in the past 3 years be comparable to the 99 Spurs? The 03 Spurs? The 04 Pistons? The 08 Celtics? No they don’t compare at all bc they are way shittier. I don’t think we will see an all time great defense anymore. It just isn’t allowed.

I remember in college I got the highest grade on my government test in the class and it was an 88. That’s not a great grade by any stretch of the imagination and it sure as hell didn’t mean I was a great student. But comparable to my peers, my test was the best. That’s how I think of today’s defense. Yes they are at the top but teams are getting 88s on tests and I’m supposed to feel impressed when I’ve seen other teams of yesteryear get 100’s

[Dejounte]

But Poetl is a problem and ur not even addressing it. LMA is trash on D this year (I think everyone can agree to this). Would t it be nice to have a reliable big man that can legitimately take away his minutes? Wouldn’t that solve a lot of issues? Like if Poetl could give us 12 and 8 and 65% from free throws, and play 35 minutes a game. Does this not fix one of the problems you are talking about. It totally would. But he is so inept on one side of the ball that he is no longer a possible solution to our problem.

Like I said, I wish we could combine the two players into one instead of playing two flawed ones

How did I not address it? I literally said he's the least of the team's concerns. Meaning.... he IS a concern, but the LEAST.

LMA is being paid $24 mil and providing very little and yet you're complaining MORE about the guy being paid $9 mil.

There's no logic there.

[ragas]

he is the new Bryn Forbes. Thankfully he can’t stay in the game for more than 20 minutes without getting in foul trouble. Watching him makes me miss Matt Bonner.

He has 2.1 fouls/game, 3.7 fouls/36 minutes.

[KobesAchilles]

How did I not address it? I literally said he's the least of the team's concerns. Meaning.... he IS a concern, but the LEAST.

LMA is being paid $24 mil and providing very little and yet you're complaining MORE about the guy being paid $9 mil.

There's no logic there.
I mean I can start a thread about LMA if you like but he has led the team to the playoffs and got us to the WCF twice either as 1A or the B. Poetl hasn’t really done much for the franchise.

Also fairly or unfairly I look at Poetl as part of our future going forward so I’m going to be harder on the guy who is going to play for next year. Also it’s a pet peeve of mine for players to air ball open easy shots.

[Dejounte]

I mean I can start a thread about LMA if you like but he has led the team to the playoffs and got us to the WCF twice either as 1A or the B. Poetl hasn’t really done much for the franchise.

Also fairly or unfairly I look at Poetl as part of our future going forward so I’m going to be harder on the guy who is going to play for next year. Also it’s a pet peeve of mine for players to air ball open easy shots.

I don't care what Aldridge has done for us in the past. Why does that matter now? How is that productive going forward? "Thank you Aldridge for all the stuff you've done years ago, I won't look at how bad you are in the present"??? Such a weird point to bring up.

Again, Poetl's future with us has such a low risk negative impact on the team given that he's being paid bench money. Who cares if he is part of the team as long as he is playing as good as an average bench piece (which he is playing that well)?

Focusing on the future and how Poetl fits into it is pointless. We also both know how bad you are at predicting the future. This offseason is going to be a wild one and there will be so many directions the Spurs can go if they want to upgrade the center position because of the fact they've positioned themselves to be flexible.

[Dejounte]

I mean I can start a thread about LMA if you like but he has led the team to the playoffs and got us to the WCF twice either as 1A or the B. Poetl hasn’t really done much for the franchise.

Also fairly or unfairly I look at Poetl as part of our future going forward so I’m going to be harder on the guy who is going to play for next year. Also it’s a pet peeve of mine for players to air ball open easy shots.

Also,

Literally the first report that came out this season about possible Spurs moves for the upcoming offseason was about a player who can play C (Dinos Mitoglou). So there you go, the Spurs are likely thinking about upgrading the C position.

Why worry about such trivial matters?

[KobesAchilles]

I don't care what Aldridge has done for us in the past. Why does that matter now? How is that productive going forward? "Thank you Aldridge for all the stuff you've done years ago, I won't look at how bad you are in the present"??? Such a weird point to bring up.

Again, Poetl's future with us has such a low risk negative impact on the team given that he's being paid bench money. Who cares if he is part of the team as long as he is playing as good as an average bench piece (which he is playing that well)?

Focusing on the future and how Poetl fits into it is pointless. We also both know how bad you are at predicting the future. This offseason is going to be a wild one and there will be so many directions the Spurs can go if they want to upgrade the center position because of the fact they've positioned themselves to be flexible.
I mean last year I said that Pop would start Bryn. Not play white and DJ together and we would miss the playoffs. All 3 happened.

This year I said Poetl would only play 20 minutes a game and be a bench player at best.
DJ was gonna suck with the starters and we should trade him (totally wrong about that)
I thought we were gonna miss the playoffs initially but after conversing with you/ and seeing our schedule I changed my mind to us having home court advantage. I believe I said we were gonna get the 2 seed.

But I think you are talking about my take that we had the worst future out of all the teams in our division. And I stand by that. This year notwithstanding, I believe that the rest of the teams are better suited going forward. Except for the Rockets which I just didn’t believe that they would trade Harden. I certainly wouldn’t have. Even if he is a cancer. But 3 teams have their stars and we still need ours.

Also LMA doing stuff for us has a big reason for my lack of criticism for him. I didn’t expect him to really play defense at age 35 anyways. Maybe you did? We didn’t sign him to an extension (but when we picked up his option I did complain about GM Wrong at the time). But he atleast has some equity in the fan relationship bank that he can suck and I’m not gonna flip out too much over it. Jakob has no such equity with me. If I have to see another air ball free throw or air ball 2 footer for the next 3 years I’m gonna lose it.

[Ice009]

Do you guys think Aldridge would be able to play at least a bit better defense if he lost weight? I don't understand why he didn't lose weight if he was told that he's going to be taking more threes and playing out on the perimeter. It doesn't make sense for him to come in overweight like he's going to be playing in the post with the offense running through him in the post. Really egregious on Lamarcus' behalf to not consider losing weight which might have helped his game more this season, especially when he's looking for his next contract. Being more mobile on both offense and defense is what he needed. I wanted to keep him, but now I have no problem trading him during the season as he's too much of a liability.

[SpursDynasty85]

Do you guys think Aldridge would be able to play at least a bit better defense if he lost weight? I don't understand why he didn't lose weight if he was told that he's going to be taking more threes and playing out on the perimeter. It doesn't make sense for him to come in overweight like he's going to be playing in the post with the offense running through him in the post. Really egregious on Lamarcus' behalf to not consider losing weight might have helped his game more this season, especially when he's looking for his next contract. Being more mobile on both offense and defense is what he needed. I wanted to keep him, but now I have now problem trading him during the season as he's too much of a liability.

if you look at him now he looks fine. He is what he is. There are still post up centers in the league and he has to box out and defend them. Losing weight won’t make him a perimeter defender or threat.

[KobesAchilles]

Do you guys think Aldridge would be able to play at least a bit better defense if he lost weight? I don't understand why he didn't lose weight if he was told that he's going to be taking more threes and playing out on the perimeter. It doesn't make sense for him to come in overweight like he's going to be playing in the post with the offense running through him in the post. Really egregious on Lamarcus' behalf to not consider losing weight might have helped his game more this season, especially when he's looking for his next contract. Being more mobile on both offense and defense is what he needed. I wanted to keep him, but now I have now problem trading him during the season as he's too much of a liability.
LMA does seem to be checked out this season. I think he sees his championship window as officially being over combined with us missing the playoffs last year and it really affected him mentally. I’m not even sure the dude wants to be here. There may have been a talk between him and Pop to get him out of here and that’s where all the Golden St rumors started, but since it didn’t happen, he kinda has checked out. I am disappointed in him too. Like how many times do I have to see him jump and raise his hand up to “defend” a player that he is 15 feet away from. That shit is ridiculous and I hope Pop chews his ass out every time in film session for it.

[timtonymanu]

LMA does seem to be checked out this season. I think he sees his championship window as officially being over combined with us missing the playoffs last year and it really affected him mentally. I’m not even sure the dude wants to be here. There may have been a talk between him and Pop to get him out of here and that’s where all the Golden St rumors started, but since it didn’t happen, he kinda has checked out. I am disappointed in him too. Like how many times do I have to see him jump and raise his hand up to “defend” a player that he is 15 feet away from. That shit is ridiculous and I hope Pop chews his ass out every time in film session for it.

Wouldn’t be surprising for such a regular season player/career loser. Always been a lazy bum.

[TDMVPDPOY]

i wonder why the spurms didnt get involve in that multi trade for harden, get allen as a defensive centre and get rid of lma...means more touches to go around for the wing players, then trade DD for BB

[ragas]

Again Poeltl was the problem and a liablility out there. No offense and Spurs don‘t need his overrated defense. I’m surprised he didn’t get in foul trouble. At least he only played 18 minutes. Trade him! There‘s so much more they could get for 9 mill/year.

[Ice009]

Soft, soft, soft! is about all I can say about this guy. Wherever you are Rasho, I am sorry for calling you soft back in the day. You look like Ben Wallace in comparison to this guy. Also, thanks for being able to hit a free throw - something this guy can't do despite there not being any fans out there. Absolutely shocking how bad he's looked at the free throw line as there hasn't even been any added pressure from a packed house of fans to heckle and yell at him.

[jbspurs]

Again Poeltl was the problem and a liablility out there. No offense and Spurs don‘t need his overrated defense. I’m surprised he didn’t get in foul trouble. At least he only played 18 minutes. Trade him! There‘s so much more they could get for 9 mill/year.


:pctoss

[rankingtear]

Bryn Forbes exits the team suddenly nobody likes defense.

[ragas]

You get what you pay for. He doesn't rebound or finish anywhere near Gobert's level. And he's so foul prone that it's impossible to play him Gobert's kind of minutes. Jakob has never had a season above 20 mpg while Gobert's been a 30 mpg player his entire carder.

How did Gobert against Jokic? He was played off the floor!

[Sugus]

Not to necro this thread, but has my guy spurraider21 been keeping up with Andre "better than Poeltl" Drummond lately?

My guy's been "balling out" the last 7 games: he's lead the Cavs to a 2-8 as the perfect tank commander. He's having a whopping 34% usage rate (good for 7th highest in the entire NBA), with a ghastly 47%TS, awful metrics of 98 ORtg/110 DRtg, and averaging 17 points on 16 FGA. Also shooting a terrific 43%... From 2. Not to mention more TOs than assists.

Please, tell me more about his rebounds and how the Spurs sorely need his production, and how he'd be such a better fit on the Spurs than Jakob... I'll wait :lol

[spurraider21]

Not to necro this thread, but has my guy spurraider21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31905) been keeping up with Andre "better than Poeltl" Drummond lately?

My guy's been "balling out" the last 7 games: he's lead the Cavs to a 2-8 as the perfect tank commander. He's having a whopping 34% usage rate (good for 7th highest in the entire NBA), with a ghastly 47%TS, awful metrics of 98 ORtg/110 DRtg, and averaging 17 points on 16 FGA. Also shooting a terrific 43%... From 2. Not to mention more TOs than assists.

Please, tell me more about his rebounds and how the Spurs sorely need his production, and how he'd be such a better fit on the Spurs than Jakob... I'll wait :lol
Drummond is absolutely better than Poeltl. But no i wouldn’t want him as my first option. But yes, interesting time to necro the thread after Poeltl has played his best ball.

[r0drig0lac]

https://twitter.com/N_Magaro/status/1358503366180147206

[Sugus]

Drummond is absolutely better than Poeltl. But no i wouldn’t want him as my first option. But yes, interesting time to necro the thread after Poeltl has played his best ball.

Drummond being better than Poeltl was never the argument, and you know it - I was being tongue-in-cheek. Of course you wouldn't want him as a first option, nor a second, nor third one... I wouldn't want him on the team at all :wakeup. Nice to see you're waking up to reality. And btw, I didn't necro it because Poeltl was playing well (which he has), but because Drummond was playing historically badly, same as he's always played.

[John B]

https://twitter.com/N_Magaro/status/1358503366180147206
If he can make those FT’s he’s perfect

[cjw]

https://twitter.com/N_Magaro/status/1358503366180147206

He won’t get it as he’s not on the floor for enough minutes, but he’s been playing at an All Defense team level this year. When he’s not a complete zero on offense, he’s a great piece out there.

But when he’s not hitting FT and looks lost out there offensively...

[spurraider21]

Drummond being better than Poeltl was never the argument, and you know it - I was being tongue-in-cheek. Of course you wouldn't want him as a first option, nor a second, nor third one... I wouldn't want him on the team at all :wakeup. Nice to see you're waking up to reality. And btw, I didn't necro it because Poeltl was playing well (which he has), but because Drummond was playing historically badly, same as he's always played.
that was my argument all along. check the quotes

[John B]

His FT is fixable imo. He has the form. Just needs to see those get in more

[Dejounte]

If Poetl is able to sustain being a top defensive big man in the league, I could care less about his offense. Makes it less holes on the roster to fill.

The offense can come from the four other positions and you take what you can get from Poetl as a bonus. Honestly, he's improving on pick and rolls so there's potential here.

[C-Dub]

He's improving on pick-n-rolls because D. White is back and has a knack for finding the roll or pop man. The only other player on the Spurs (that get significant playing time) that can somewhat set Poeltl up for an easy bucket rolling t the basket is Patty, and not to his own fault, he is to short too always complete the play.

[The Truth #6]

If Poetl is able to sustain being a top defensive big man in the league, I could care less about his offense. Makes it less holes on the roster to fill.

The offense can come from the four other positions and you take what you can get from Poetl as a bonus. Honestly, he's improving on pick and rolls so there's potential here.

I agree. He needs to fit in and help the other players score by setting picks and moving the ball. Put another way, he isn’t a black hole, which we have plenty of already.

[Sugus]

that was my argument all along. check the quotes

You're wrong.


Poeltl could score 0 points the entirety of this season, and I still wouldn't want any part of Drummond, tbh :wakeup

This was my original comment, to which you started extrapolating "how could you rather have Poeltl when Drummond is so much better?!". You then went on a lot of tangents such as "but would you rather have Poeltl at his contract, or Drummond at Poeltl's???" which aren't related to my point at all. But as I imagined, Poeltl scored (almost) 0 points last game, and still had a much better impact on the game than Drummond could've had - I would've much rather have him out there with this Spurs team than Drummond taking up shots all game long, stunting teammates and throwing games away.

Anyways. Here's to hoping Jakob keeps hitting clutch FT's.

[spurraider21]

You're wrong.



This was my original comment, to which you started extrapolating "how could you rather have Poeltl when Drummond is so much better?!". You then went on a lot of tangents such as "but would you rather have Poeltl at his contract, or Drummond at Poeltl's???" which aren't related to my point at all. But as I imagined, Poeltl scored (almost) 0 points last game, and still had a much better impact on the game than Drummond could've had - I would've much rather have him out there with this Spurs team than Drummond taking up shots all game long, stunting teammates and throwing games away.

Anyways. Here's to hoping Jakob keeps hitting clutch FT's.
:tu

[Sugus]

He's improving on pick-n-rolls because D. White is back and has a knack for finding the roll or pop man. The only other player on the Spurs (that get significant playing time) that can somewhat set Poeltl up for an easy bucket rolling t the basket is Patty, and not to his own fault, he is to short too always complete the play.

:cry:cry:cry b-but there's no way Poeltl would improve his game by having one of the best PnR ballhandlers in the league, who he has great chemistry with, back from injury!!! :cry:cry:cry

[TD 21]

NBA.com/Stats | Players Defensive Impact (https://www.nba.com/stats/players/defensive-impact/?Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=DEF_RIM_FG_PCT&dir=-1&CF=GP*GE*10:DEF_RIM_FGA*GE*5)

[DAF86]

14, 11 and I didn't check but probably a +/- of around +50 like every game. The AusTrain :worthy:

[cjw]

A lot of people eating crow. I had my doubts but he looks worth this contract and it’ll be a bargain if he can shoot even 50% from the line.

[rankingtear]

Third spur featured on Lowe's 10 things this year. Not good but percentages are trending up during LA absence.

8. It's time to talk about Jakob Poeltl (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3134908/jakob-poeltl)'s free throw shootingPoeltl has intuitive feel on both ends. He's a willing screener, and smart passer. The San Antonio Spurs (https://www.espn.com.au/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs) have been massively better with Poeltl in place of LaMarcus Aldridge (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2983/lamarcus-aldridge), though it's unclear how much of that would hold up if they swapped roles full-time.
San Antonio's defense -- quietly up to ninth in points allowed per possession -- would improve. Aldridge has lost mobility and most of whatever bounce he had left. Meanwhile, opponents are shooting 41% at the rim with Poeltl nearby -- lowest among all rotation players challenging at least two such shots per game, according to NBA.com.
But, umm, Poeltl is 10-of-35 (28.6%) on free throws. Seems like a problem. He hit 46.5% last season, and has been trending down since draining 59% in 2017-18.
Related: Poeltl averages 2.4 free throw attempts per 36 minutes -- very low for a big who lives near the basket and ranks among the league's most voracious offensive rebounders.. Poeltl settles for push shots when one dribble -- or one power jump -- would take him to the rim. Poeltl has a decent floater, but that's a low-efficiency shot for all but a handful of players.
This is an intractable problem unless Poeltl improves his stroke. We have seen some Hack-a-Jak, and teams will resort to it if the Spurs play meaningful games.

[KobesAchilles]

Third spur featured on Lowe's 10 things this year. Not good but percentages are trending up during LA absence.

8. It's time to talk about Jakob Poeltl (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3134908/jakob-poeltl)'s free throw shooting

Poeltl has intuitive feel on both ends. He's a willing screener, and smart passer. The San Antonio Spurs (https://www.espn.com.au/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs) have been massively better with Poeltl in place of LaMarcus Aldridge (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2983/lamarcus-aldridge), though it's unclear how much of that would hold up if they swapped roles full-time.
San Antonio's defense -- quietly up to ninth in points allowed per possession -- would improve. Aldridge has lost mobility and most of whatever bounce he had left. Meanwhile, opponents are shooting 41% at the rim with Poeltl nearby -- lowest among all rotation players challenging at least two such shots per game, according to NBA.com.
But, umm, Poeltl is 10-of-35 (28.6%) on free throws. Seems like a problem. He hit 46.5% last season, and has been trending down since draining 59% in 2017-18.
Related: Poeltl averages 2.4 free throw attempts per 36 minutes -- very low for a big who lives near the basket and ranks among the league's most voracious offensive rebounders.. Poeltl settles for push shots when one dribble -- or one power jump -- would take him to the rim. Poeltl has a decent floater, but that's a low-efficiency shot for all but a handful of players.
This is an intractable problem unless Poeltl improves his stroke. We have seen some Hack-a-Jak, and teams will resort to it if the Spurs play meaningful games.

He is filling into his role as a back up big perfectly. There are holes in his game that he needs to fix offensively, finishing over people, he can be passive when he is 3 feet from the basket, and 28% free throw shooting I believe would be a record. He won't ever make it to 50% this year (I have doubts of him reaching 45%), but if he could learn to hit 1 of 2 from here on out that would be nice.

That said as long as he brings this constant effort on defense and offensive rebounding then he is a great guy to play 20 minutes a game. I'm not sure this team will have the scorers necessary for him to be a starter going forward (next year and beyond). But after a brutal start to a season, he has turned up the effort and intensity and I love what I see.

[cd98]

We are better off with Poeltl starting and playing a lot of minutes if our goal is to be the 8th seed. That would be a mistake. Spurs should start LMA and play the hell out of him so we can get in the lottery.

[Dejounte]

Jakob Poeltl is reminding me of Rudy Gobert.

Gobert has little to no offensive game to speak of.

He's currently leading the best team in the NBA right now along with Mitchell.

"But you need bigs who can shoot 3s!"

[spurs1990]

Really need to eat my crow...was way too quick to go off on him after 10 games. His defense is so good

[FkLA]

Never doubted my nigga Yak.

People were focusing on stupid shit like his FTs or him not being skilled enough on offense instead of what a monster he is on defense. He's a terror.

[Ice009]

Well, to be fair, he was fouling a lot on defense and I didn't think he'd be able to stay on the court. I don't think I ever said he sucked on defense, but I also didn't think he could stay on the court long enough to show it. I was thinking foul trouble could be a big issue with him staying on the court to play defense.

I am definitely eating some crow right now as he's starting to now play great. His free throws are still a valid concern going forward, because I do wonder if teams will go to hack-a-Yak in any meaningful games. He's going to have to learn to hit them at a respectable clip.

[Spursfanfromafar]

I like this. Poeltl is more valuable than any of you naysayers think and he *is* part of the rebuilding core for me. Its a contract that we will look back in the future and appreciate it more, I am sure.

Lets say ..except for the free throw %age, Poeltl is playing to his contract & more.

[rankingtear]

Well, to be fair, he was fouling a lot on defense and I didn't think he'd be able to stay on the court. I don't think I ever said he sucked on defense, but I also didn't think he could stay on the court long enough to show it. I was thinking foul trouble could be a big issue with him staying on the court to play defense.

I am definitely eating some crow right now as he's starting to now play great. His free throws are still a valid concern going forward, because I do wonder if teams will go to hack-a-Yak in any meaningful games. He's going to have to learn to hit them at a respectable clip.

He was a starter in the Denver series, i don't see it becoming that big of a problem. White losing confidence in his jumper was more of a turning point. Any of Keldon, DJ and White losing confidence in their jumper in a series is more of a problem than Jakob's free throw.

[Truckules]

Well, to be fair, he was fouling a lot on defense and I didn't think he'd be able to stay on the court. I don't think I ever said he sucked on defense, but I also didn't think he could stay on the court long enough to show it. I was thinking foul trouble could be a big issue with him staying on the court to play defense.

I am definitely eating some crow right now as he's starting to now play great. His free throws are still a valid concern going forward, because I do wonder if teams will go to hack-a-Yak in any meaningful games. He's going to have to learn to hit them at a respectable clip.

His free throws are an extremely minor concern as he rarely ever shoots free throws. He's only getting to the line 1.4 times per game. If he were to improve his free throw percentage to 75 percent, he'd only improve his overall points per game by 0.65 points. Also, hack-a-blank has kind of fallen out of favor in the league. The rule changes back in 2016 helped cause this but also the change in play style over the past few years has made intentional fouling less useful. You can't push the pace and generate secondary breaks off free throws so hack-a-Jak hurts the other teams' offense as much as it hurts the Spurs'. Additionally, the average margin of victory continues to climb due to 3 pt shooting, leading to fewer games being decided on free throws.

[Seventyniner]

His free throws are an extremely minor concern as he rarely ever shoots free throws. He's only getting to the line 1.4 times per game. If he were to improve his free throw percentage to 75 percent, he'd only improve his overall points per game by 0.65 points. Also, hack-a-blank has kind of fallen out of favor in the league. The rule changes back in 2016 helped cause this but also the change in play style over the past few years has made intentional fouling less useful. You can't push the pace and generate secondary breaks off free throws so hack-a-Jak hurts the other teams' offense as much as it hurts the Spurs'. Additionally, the average margin of victory continues to climb due to 3 pt shooting, leading to fewer games being decided on free throws.

Good points. Poeltl saves far more points on the defensive end than he gives up by being an awful FT shooter. Sometimes you just have to take the bad with the good, especially when the good outweighs the bad by this much.

It's certainly frustrating to have a key player be so bad at such a basic part of the game, but everyone has their flaws. There are plenty of rim protecting 5s throughout league history that have been bad FT shooters (and given Poeltl's low volume, as you correctly point out, there really isn't much difference between 28% and 50%) but have managed to make a net positive impact.

[RC_Drunkford]

Jakob Poeltl is reminding me of Rudy Gobert.

Gobert has little to no offensive game to speak of.

He's currently leading the best team in the NBA right now along with Mitchell.

"But you need bigs who can shoot 3s!"

you definitely need a 3-point shooting big if you are starting DeRozan, Keldon Johnson and Murray. None of them are consistent enough from 3. Just wait when teams go zone

[Sugus]

Drummond is absolutely better than Poeltl. But no i wouldn’t want him as my first option. But yes, interesting time to necro the thread after Poeltl has played his best ball.

Second necro, I've been off the forum for a bit, and came back to yet more juicy "Andre "Better Than Poeltl" Drummond" news;

I've seen this video posted already in some other thread (was it my guy Dejounte? Maybe), but it's just way too good to not be posted here:

Andre Drummond is the WORST high usage offensive player in the league and it's not close.

https://streamable.com/gaj2eb

Better yet, the video surfaces on the new context of the Cavs - the mother fucking Cavaliers - forcefully sitting out Drummond because he's just too awful of a player even for their low fucking standards :lol, then reportedly not even being able to start trade talks with any other team, because no one in their right mind wants this fucking bum :lmao

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1361341860661366784
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1361344503618142210

Meanwhile, the Spurs, before COVID hit them, were firing on all cylinders after LMA's mysterious injury propelled Jakob to a starting role, and the offense/defense could adjust to his continuous presence. Statistically one of, if not the, best player on the Spurs due to his contributions to both ends - whilst Andre "Better Than Poeltl" Drummond is being benched, on purpose, by one of the worst teams in the league, just because he's so fucking detrimental to their game :lmao

I don't think I'll ever get tired of dunking this over your head, spurraider21. At least not until you admit you were just boxscore-watching Drummond when you made your original comments. There's no way you could've been that deluded, whilst also having watched him play.... Right? :lol

[spurraider21]

Second necro, I've been off the forum for a bit, and came back to yet more juicy "Andre "Better Than Poeltl" Drummond" news;

I've seen this video posted already in some other thread (was it my guy Dejounte (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51342)? Maybe), but it's just way too good to not be posted here:

Andre Drummond is the WORST high usage offensive player in the league and it's not close.

https://streamable.com/gaj2eb

Better yet, the video surfaces on the new context of the Cavs - the mother fucking Cavaliers - forcefully sitting out Drummond because he's just too awful of a player even for their low fucking standards :lol, then reportedly not even being able to start trade talks with any other team, because no one in their right mind wants this fucking bum :lmao

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1361341860661366784
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1361344503618142210

Meanwhile, the Spurs, before COVID hit them, were firing on all cylinders after LMA's mysterious injury propelled Jakob to a starting role, and the offense/defense could adjust to his continuous presence. Statistically one of, if not the, best player on the Spurs due to his contributions to both ends - whilst Andre "Better Than Poeltl" Drummond is being benched, on purpose, by one of the worst teams in the league, just because he's so fucking detrimental to their game :lmao

I don't think I'll ever get tired of dunking this over your head, spurraider21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31905). At least not until you admit you were just boxscore-watching Drummond when you made your original comments. There's no way you could've been that deluded, whilst also having watched him play.... Right? :lol
i never said i wanted him as a high usage offensive player, though, nor would he be on the spurs. the reason he cant find trade suitors is because his salary is quite high, and i already said in those discussions that i dont think there exists a trade that makes sense for the spurs to land drummond due in large part to that fact.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Agree with Sugus. Despite of the slow start Jakob deserves credit for the way he's turned his season around. A lot of posters here were salivating not only over Drummond and his empty stats, but also over the likes of Harry Giles and Aron Baynes, who are objectively much worse players. #justiceforjakob

[BackHome]

Give him and Spurs credit but to be honest we have been playing crappy teams lately and some without Key players. Will see how we really are when we start playing playoff type teams.

The thing with Poodle is that if we’re ever in the playoffs he won’t be able to play at key times cause you know they going to foul him all night long.

[3&D_TBH]

Hard no on drummond. He is a turnover machine and a terrible decision maker. Not to mention his terrible touch around the rim. Spurs won't touch him imo

[Sugus]

i never said i wanted him as a high usage offensive player, though

I know, and that's the part where I have to wonder whether you'd ever watched Drummond play before we had our initial discussion :lmao. The very fatal flaw that Drummond has, that has plagued him his whole career and probably will until his retirement (and plagued many such players, notably Melo), is a failure to recognize the limits of their ability, and incorporate themselves into an offense, instead of trying to be the offense. The same way you couldn't tell Melo not to hog the ball or take every last shot, you can't simply tell Drummond "oh, just lower your usage!" and limit him to rebounds and catching lobs. He's going to post up, shoot hooks, fadeaways, face-dribble into the paint, and shoot all those low-percentage shots that make him such a shitty player. That's exactly the reason he hasn't worked out on any team - and the reason I made my original statement, which holds ever-so-true:


Poeltl could score 0 points the entirety of this season, and I still wouldn't want any part of Drummond, tbh :wakeup



the reason he cant find trade suitors is because his salary is quite high, and i already said in those discussions that i dont think there exists a trade that makes sense for the spurs to land drummond due in large part to that fact.

False.

He's an expiring, and isn't even such a wildly big salary that a team who truly desired him couldn't accommodate him in a trade (hell, the cupboard-stripped-bare Nets were able to trade for a much higher salary in Harden because they wanted him enough to mortgage their future). The true reason he "can't find suitors" (read: the Cavs can't find any gullible team that'll take him off their hands without shipping out an asset to get rid of him) is because he's an awful, awful, awful player. The fact that no team is even inquiring about his price (and "his price" was literally a second-round pick or something like that, the last time he was traded :lmao) is a true testament to how shit Andre Drummond is as a modern NBA basketball player.


Again, you can admit you were absolutely wrong... Or have me bumping this thread every time Poeltl has a dominant defensive performance :lol

[spurraider21]

I know, and that's the part where I have to wonder whether you'd ever watched Drummond play before we had our initial discussion :lmao. The very fatal flaw that Drummond has, that has plagued him his whole career and probably will until his retirement (and plagued many such players, notably Melo), is a failure to recognize the limits of their ability, and incorporate themselves into an offense, instead of trying to be the offense. The same way you couldn't tell Melo not to hog the ball or take every last shot, you can't simply tell Drummond "oh, just lower your usage!" and limit him to rebounds and catching lobs. He's going to post up, shoot hooks, fadeaways, face-dribble into the paint, and shoot all those low-percentage shots that make him such a shitty player. That's exactly the reason he hasn't worked out on any team - and the reason I made my original statement, which holds ever-so-true:






False.

He's an expiring, and isn't even such a wildly big salary that a team who truly desired him couldn't accommodate him in a trade (hell, the cupboard-stripped-bare Nets were able to trade for a much higher salary in Harden because they wanted him enough to mortgage their future). The true reason he "can't find suitors" (read: the Cavs can't find any gullible team that'll take him off their hands without shipping out an asset to get rid of him) is because he's an awful, awful, awful player. The fact that no team is even inquiring about his price (and "his price" was literally a second-round pick or something like that, the last time he was traded :lmao) is a true testament to how shit Andre Drummond is as a modern NBA basketball player.


Again, you can admit you were absolutely wrong... Or have me bumping this thread every time Poeltl has a dominant defensive performance :lol
you can feel free to bump whatever you want. you were the one who kept waffling about your position. every time i said you think Poeltl is a better player than Drummond, you denied it :lol

my position is and was clear. i thought that, in a vacuum (ie not considering salary), that Drummond is a better player than Poeltl (by the way, this is a point you agreed with, see my next post). i also never said that i would want Drummond here if he was going to be a high volume offense guy.

ive said plenty of good things about poeltl since he stepped his game up after is lousy start to the season, so im not cheering against him just for more retroactive online Ws

[Sugus]

Agree with Sugus. Despite of the slow start Jakob deserves credit for the way he's turned his season around. A lot of posters here were salivating not only over Drummond and his empty stats, but also over the likes of Harry Giles and Aron Baynes, who are objectively much worse players. #justiceforjakob

Yeah, I'm waiting just a tad bit more (sadly it'll be a longer wait, now with our next games postponed) before I start to actually, truly necro-bump this thread by quoting all the ridiculous naysayers, and posters who were literally complaining about a $9M signing that locked up one of the best defensive centers in the NBA.

:cry :cry But muh shooting bigs!! Poeltl hasn't improved at all!! :cry :cry

[spurraider21]

No, I didn't...... My fucking god. Literally quote me saying "they're functionally the same". I'm absolutely certain I've never strung those words together in this thread. What a stupid ass, you can't even quote me right. Fucks sake. I gotta argue not only against your points, but the fake points you make up for me? Fuck that.

I'll get you clarity: it makes literally no sense to say whether you'd have player A at his salary, or player B at player A's salary. Reality doesn't work like that. Would you rather have LeBron at Poeltl's salary, or....? That's how dumb you sound. Here's the fact: Drummond will NEVER be paid Poeltl salary, because he's an inflated stats player, and like such, he'll demand a paygrade above his production level. Yes, in a vacuum, I'd like to have Drummond on bench big money (and bench big role, tbh, behind a shooting 5), but what the fuck is the point of that discussion if it literally doesn't have a chance to materialize? To be more pragmatic, and say it again: I would rather have Jakob at Jakob's salary, than Drummond at Drummond's salary. Because I can find better uses to that difference in pay, than the on-court impact that both players have (which IS NOT THE SAME!!!! as saying they're "functionally the same", you numbnut).

Can I be any more clear on this? Jakob heard you talking shit, btw... :lol
:lol

[Sugus]

you can feel free to bump whatever you want. you were the one who kept waffling about your position. every time i said you think Poeltl is a better player than Drummond, you denied it :lol

my position is and was clear. i thought that, in a vacuum (ie not considering salary), that Drummond is a better player than Poeltl. i also never said that i would want Drummond here if he was going to be a high volume offense guy.

ive said plenty of good things about poeltl since he stepped his game up after is lousy start to the season, so im not cheering against him just for more retroactive online Ws

You really should go and re-read the convo, my guy, because your goalpost moving is getting out of hand.

Anyways, you're right about one thing - I really failed to acknowledge that the gap between AD and JP's defensive abilities, does make Jakob the better player. I scoffed at you when you first made the moniker, but it's really true, Poeltl is the flat out better player. It's funny because it's a concession of mine, that makes your original point be even worse (how could anyone think Drummond to be better, even despite salary, given his actual games? Seriously, you still haven't told me whether you'd watched him before that discussion, and it's still unclear to me... :lol).

Again, Drummond will never not be high volume offensively, that's exactly what makes him such a shit player. I'm glad you've finally seen the light of Blockob Purtle tho :lol

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Yeah, I'm waiting just a tad bit more (sadly it'll be a longer wait, now with our next games postponed) before I start to actually, truly necro-bump this thread by quoting all the ridiculous naysayers, and posters who were literally complaining about a $9M signing that locked up one of the best defensive centers in the NBA.

:cry :cry But muh shooting bigs!! Poeltl hasn't improved at all!! :cry :cry

Oh just wait for Drummond to be bought out and sign with the Nets, then put up some numbers because no one will bother to guard him on a loaded team and there’ll be people all over the topic again.

[Uriel]

Did we make the right move in getting Poeltl instead of Anunoby?

[Sugus]

Did we make the right move in getting Poeltl instead of Anunoby?

I don't think any reports at the time indicated OG to be available, and considering the low, low position the Spurs were dealing from, it wouldn't surprise me to know the Raptors made him an untouchable in the trade.

Whether the Spurs should've hung up the phone after hearing that has been a topic for much debate in this forum ever since :lol

[Sugus]

:lol

Followed with "what the fuck is the point of that discussion, though", meaning, totally irrelevant.... But hey, gotta grab your W's where you can I guess :lol

E: and to be extremely clear (since you'll just move the goalpost further), I still agree with it - Drummond isn't so lacking in value as to be literally unplayable. He could be a good piece in a bench role, bench pay, bench minutes situation. The point I make (and actually also make immediately after in that quote, not like you bothered to read it :lol) is that there is literally no chance of that situation ever happening, because Drummond is such a headcase, me-first, stupid ass player. It took Melo being literally out of the league for a year or two due to this exact behavior for him to get humbled and get back on the NBA, and I have quite a suspicion that Drummond will soon be on that same path.

So no, I wouldn't want him on the Spurs, like I've been saying all fucking along :lmao

[horseshue]

Did we make the right move in getting Poeltl instead of Anunoby?

No, OG is still better.

[spurraider21]

You really should go and re-read the convo, my guy, because your goalpost moving is getting out of hand.

Anyways, you're right about one thing - I really failed to acknowledge that the gap between AD and JP's defensive abilities, does make Jakob the better player. I scoffed at you when you first made the moniker, but it's really true, Poeltl is the flat out better player. It's funny because it's a concession of mine, that makes your original point be even worse (how could anyone think Drummond to be better, even despite salary, given his actual games? Seriously, you still haven't told me whether you'd watched him before that discussion, and it's still unclear to me... :lol).

Again, Drummond will never not be high volume offensively, that's exactly what makes him such a shit player. I'm glad you've finally seen the light of Blockob Purtle tho :lol
yes, you waited till poeltl's best stretch of his career to conveniently remember that you meant that all along

[Seventyniner]

Did we make the right move in getting Poeltl instead of Anunoby?

Given the makeup of the rest of the roster, it's looking likely. Who would the Spurs be trotting out at the 5 right now if they had OG instead of Poeltl? Eubanks? Gay? A re-signed Zeller? Yuck.

[TD 21]

Did we make the right move in getting Poeltl instead of Anunoby?

"We" didn't have a choice, but Anunoby is more valuable because he's the most desired/scarce archetype in the modern game and the exact one this team has been missing since Scumbag quit, which is 3 and D combo forward.

As underrated as Poeltl is, as a role playing center, it's much easier to find an approximation of him.



Given the makeup of the rest of the roster, it's looking likely. Who would the Spurs be trotting out at the 5 right now if they had OG instead of Poeltl? Eubanks? Gay? A re-signed Zeller? Yuck.

The roster obviously wouldn't look exactly the same had they been able to pry Anunoby instead of Poeltl. It might have altered one of the recent picks, but the most likely outcome is they'd have a placeholder type (think a center version of Lyles) in his stead and utilize more of Gay/Aunoby playing the small ball five.

[Sugus]

yes, you waited till poeltl's best stretch of his career to conveniently remember that you meant that all along

Lol, are you going to move the goalpost every time this thread is bumped? You can check the date of my original comments, Jakob hadn't been playing well at all (matter-of-factly, my original comment was "Jakob could score 0 points the entire season..." because he was just coming off a 0pt game, which he was getting shat over by ST at large, you included :lol). Even then, I still wanted no part of Drummond, a point which you ridiculed, as if Drummond's empty calories rebounds were somehow the missing piece for the struggling Spurs team.

I guess you're conflating things - I did bump this thread the first time after Jakob's good stretch. But all the original comments (now being proven right, but not made with hindsight) were there before that good play. Good try, though.... :lmao

[KobesAchilles]

I’m still worried about his offensive output. He is too inconsistent in this area. He scores 6 points against Memphis then 19 against Minny. Then immediately follows it up with a 2 point game. Then he goes off for 14 against GS and then 4 the next game. His defense has been amazing and well worth the contract in that end. But I’m still iffy on him as a starter going forward if he is going to be chicken one day on offense and feathers the next.

[TD 21]

I’m still worried about his offensive output. He is too inconsistent in this area. He scores 6 points against Memphis then 19 against Minny. Then immediately follows it up with a 2 point game. Then he goes off for 14 against GS and then 4 the next game. His defense has been amazing and well worth the contract in that end. But I’m still iffy on him as a starter going forward if he is going to be chicken one day on offense and feathers the next.

:lmao He's a rim running center, averaging 22.2 mpg, with a 12.8% usage rate.

I'll never understand how one could be a fan of this franchise in particular and still think counting stats (without context) determines value.

[spurraider21]

Lol, are you going to move the goalpost every time this thread is bumped? You can check the date of my original comments, Jakob hadn't been playing well at all (matter-of-factly, my original comment was "Jakob could score 0 points the entire season..." because he was just coming off a 0pt game, which he was getting shat over by ST at large, you included :lol). Even then, I still wanted no part of Drummond, a point which you ridiculed, as if Drummond's empty calories rebounds were somehow the missing piece for the struggling Spurs team.

I guess you're conflating things - I did bump this thread the first time after Jakob's good stretch. But all the original comments (now being proven right, but not made with hindsight) were there before that good play. Good try, though.... :lmao
back then you said you'd rather have drummond at the same pay

suddenly now you realize that all along you meant you'd rather have poeltl at the same pay :lol

[exstatic]

I’m still worried about his offensive output. He is too inconsistent in this area. He scores 6 points against Memphis then 19 against Minny. Then immediately follows it up with a 2 point game. Then he goes off for 14 against GS and then 4 the next game. His defense has been amazing and well worth the contract in that end. But I’m still iffy on him as a starter going forward if he is going to be chicken one day on offense and feathers the next.

We don’t need scoring from Jakob.

[Sugus]

back then you said you'd rather have drummond at the same pay

suddenly now you realize that all along you meant you'd rather have poeltl at the same pay :lol

Sigh, it's literally impossible to discuss with you when you fail to address anything I've written, whilst simultaneously moving the goalpost on every single point.

I'll still bump this thread though, just to clown you a bit, but I don't think you're capable of much more interesting discussion than this...

[r0drig0lac]

Did we make the right move in getting Poeltl instead of Anunoby?

no

[XDT76]

Did we make the right move in getting Poeltl instead of Anunoby?

It's hard to quantify it this way if we got Anunoby who knows how the Spurs will draft these last 2 years and who we will sign for the backup centre. As of now I think we have a good squad which could be improved tremendously with just one or two players.

[spurraider21]

Sigh, it's literally impossible to discuss with you when you fail to address anything I've written, whilst simultaneously moving the goalpost on every single point.

I'll still bump this thread though, just to clown you a bit, but I don't think you're capable of much more interesting discussion than this...
you keep saying this but you seem to change your opinion every post, so its pretty difficult to nail anything down.

[spurraider21]

We don’t need scoring from Jakob.
yep. do people not remember what Tiago's production looked like?

[KobesAchilles]

:lmao He's a rim running center, averaging 22.2 mpg, with a 12.8% usage rate.

I'll never understand how one could be a fan of this franchise in particular and still think counting stats (without context) determines value.
Well context is important buddy. This is in regards to him being our starter for the future. And he would be getting more than 22 minutes a game. This is also when we lose Rudy Gay, LMA, Patty Mills, and potentially DDR. That’s a lot of scoring to lose at once and Jakob is going to have to score more in order to fit going forward. In a perfect world, Lonnie, Derrick, DJ, and KJ will all give us 15-20 a night. But what about the rest of the scoring? Jakob has to pick up some slack on that end.

[KobesAchilles]

yep. do people not remember what Tiago's production looked like?
Yeah but we had Tim, Tony, and Manu to pick up the slack along with Kawhi. I’m talking more for next year when we potentially lose 60 points a game from all our vets. I think Jakob will have to score in order for us to compete going forward. You can think differently, but we need more than just the 4 youngsters. Maybe we settle that with signing Collins or someone else. Idk.

[DAF86]

Well context is important buddy. This is in regards to him being our starter for the future. And he would be getting more than 22 minutes a game. This is also when we lose Rudy Gay, LMA, Patty Mills, and potentially DDR. That’s a lot of scoring to lose at once and Jakob is going to have to score more in order to fit going forward. In a perfect world, Lonnie, Derrick, DJ, and KJ will all give us 15-20 a night. But what about the rest of the scoring? Jakob has to pick up some slack on that end.

When we lose all those guys, the idea is to replace them with guys that can provide similar or even better production. Poeltl is what he is. If PATFO build this team right, Poeltl won't need to suddenly become a 15 ppg player.

[KobesAchilles]

When we lose all those guys, the idea is to replace them with guys that can provide similar or even better production. Poeltl is what he is. If PATFO build this team right, Poeltl won't need to suddenly become a 15 ppg player.
I would settle for 8-10 tbh. 15 seems like a stretch. I’m not sure is I trust PATFO anymore. Especially since I have to depend on GM Wrong to get us back on the right track going forward

[DAF86]

I would settle for 8-10 tbh. 15 seems like a stretch. I’m not sure is I trust PATFO anymore. Especially since I have to depend on GM Wrong to get us back on the right track going forward

Well, that's pretty much what he averages when he gets starter's minutes so he wouldn't be needing to improve anything, just get the minutes.

[KobesAchilles]

Well, that's pretty much what he averages when he gets starter's minutes so he wouldn't be needing to improve anything, just get the minutes.
Lol and we’ve come back full circle. I didn’t randomly choose games in my first post. I chose the games that he started. Like I said, I just want consistency. Not 19 one game and 2 the next and then 14 and then 4

[DAF86]

Lol and we’ve come back full circle. I didn’t randomly choose games in my first post. I chose the games that he started. Like I said, I just want consistency. Not 19 one game and 2 the next and then 14 and then 4

You said you wanted 8/10 ppg from him. Well, he averages that when he gets starter minutes. Actually a bit more. I don't understand the problem :lol

If you want him to score 8/10 pts every game, that's not how basketball works son. DeMar averages 20 ppg, sometimes he scores 30, sometimes he scores 10. It has been like this with every player since the beginning of times, tbh. :lol

[KobesAchilles]

You said you wanted 8/10 ppg from him. Well, he averages that when he gets starter minutes. Actually a bit more. I don't understand the problem :lol

If you want him to score 8/10 pts every game, that's not how basketball works son. DeMar averages 20 ppg, sometimes he scores 30, sometimes he scores 10. It has been like this with every player since the beginning of times, tbh. :lol
Difference with DDR is for the most part I know what I’m getting from him. His 10 points would be Jakobs high average btw so it’s not fair taking that into account. It does make a difference bc Jakob starts from 10 and then gives me 2. Demar starts from 20 but gives me 10. It’s garbage when DDR does it, but atleast he is still giving me double digits

My very first post said I wanted consistency and then you randomly brought up about how I care about stats. Consistency on offense is what I want. Bc idk which Jakob is the real offensive Jakob. Bc it’s like every other game for him. If DDR was giving me 30 one game and 10 the next every other game I would complain about his consistency too btw.

[SpursDynasty85]

We don’t need scoring from Jakob.


yes we do. He needs to punish guys on the pick and roll especially if the big is shaving off him too much.

[DAF86]

Difference with DDR is for the most part I know what I’m getting from him. His 10 points would be Jakobs high average btw so it’s not fair taking that into account. It does make a difference bc Jakob starts from 10 and then gives me 2. Demar starts from 20 but gives me 10. It’s garbage when DDR does it, but atleast he is still giving me double digits

My very first post said I wanted consistency and then you randomly brought up about how I care about stats. Consistency on offense is what I want. Bc idk which Jakob is the real offensive Jakob. Bc it’s like every other game for him. If DDR was giving me 30 one game and 10 the next every other game I would complain about his consistency too btw.

You are the one that brought up stats when you said you wanted 8/10 ppg from him, tbh. And what you are asking from Poeltl is unrealistic. When was the last time you saw a consistent 10 ppg player? 10 ppg role players are all inconsistent by nature because they aren't given the chance to create for themselves. They work with what others create for them. Sometimes they get plenty of looks, sometimes they get none. That's why they give you 15 pts one night and 2 the other.

For real, go back in time and check for any role player you want and try to see if you can find any 10 ppg guy that scored around that much every game.

[DAF86]

Just for reference, I leave here the '05 game logs of arguably the greatest role player in Spurs' history.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bowenbr01/gamelog/2005

[exstatic]

Just for reference, I leave here the '05 game logs of arguably the greatest role player in Spurs' history.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bowenbr01/gamelog/2005

My God! Look at the inconsistency!!

[KobesAchilles]

Just for reference, I leave here the '05 game logs of arguably the greatest role player in Spurs' history.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bowenbr01/gamelog/2005
Bowen never averaged 10 points a game. Ever.

[Dejounte]

Bowen never averaged 10 points a game. Ever.

Did it matter?

[spurraider21]

can we start calling this version Jakob 2.0 the same way we did for Diaw?

[DAF86]

Bowen never averaged 10 points a game. Ever.

And yet, his jersey is hanging from the rafters. Further proof that we don't really need Poeltl to score as much as you are asking.

[KingKev]

can we start calling this version Jakob 2.0 the same way we did for Diaw?

too soon but must admit I was way wrong on him to start the year. Hopefully he keeps this up. Would love to see him start aggressively finishing around the rim with some fire. Sometimes a basket isn’t just 2 points.

[Dejounte]

And yet, his jersey is hanging from the rafters. Further proof that we don't really need Poeltl to score as much as you are asking.

Especially if we get Luka to step up at the 4 position... That's four highly talented scorers who all need their touches. Having Jakob pointlessly get touches to score an arbitrary 10 points is unnecessary.

[Sugus]

Difference with DDR is for the most part I know what I’m getting from him. His 10 points would be Jakobs high average btw so it’s not fair taking that into account. It does make a difference bc Jakob starts from 10 and then gives me 2. Demar starts from 20 but gives me 10. It’s garbage when DDR does it, but atleast he is still giving me double digits

My very first post said I wanted consistency and then you randomly brought up about how I care about stats. Consistency on offense is what I want. Bc idk which Jakob is the real offensive Jakob. Bc it’s like every other game for him. If DDR was giving me 30 one game and 10 the next every other game I would complain about his consistency too btw.

I mean, don't you know what you're getting with Poeltl as well? High-level defense, rim protection, and yes, inconsistent offense. The same way that DD provides you (somewhat) consistent offense, but inconsistent D, and looks engaged on defense one night, and totally clueless the next one, players aren't machines and won't be completely consistent in their production. Definitely agree with DAFfy here. Also lol at "it's gargabe when DDR does it, but atleast he is still giving me double digits", why is the bar for good production suddenly to score two digit points? If we're relying on DDR to score, and he gets 11 points, it's a shit performance no matter what, and it's not significantly worse if he gets you 9 instead of 11.... Weird threshold to have.

I think Jakob can be as consistent on offense as our guards are. Y'all clowned on me (not just me, I wasn't the only one saying this) for saying we should wait until White is back before judging Poeltl's offense, and it's turned out to be, unsurprisingly, a correct take. White is an excellent PnR ballhandler and Jakob feasts as a rolling big, he can score much easily there thanks to his good touch around the rim than if you just dump the ball to him in the high paint and expect him to back someone down, or worse, do a turnaround-floater that he likes so much. I can absolutely see Jakob scoring 8-10 points a night consistently if he's given starter minutes and PnR action - but I also see that number dropping if Dejounte starts taking on more ball-handling action. They just don't have anywhere near the same level of chemistry.

Overall..... I want to see my Spurs playing again, tbqh :depressed

[Dejounte]

I mean, don't you know what you're getting with Poeltl as well? High-level defense, rim protection, and yes, inconsistent offense. The same way that DD provides you (somewhat) consistent offense, but inconsistent D, and looks engaged on defense one night, and totally clueless the next one, players aren't machines and won't be completely consistent in their production. Definitely agree with DAFfy here. Also lol at "it's gargabe when DDR does it, but atleast he is still giving me double digits", why is the bar for good production suddenly to score two digit points? If we're relying on DDR to score, and he gets 11 points, it's a shit performance no matter what, and it's not significantly worse if he gets you 9 instead of 11.... Weird threshold to have.

I think Jakob can be as consistent on offense as our guards are. Y'all clowned on me (not just me, I wasn't the only one saying this) for saying we should wait until White is back before judging Poeltl's offense, and it's turned out to be, unsurprisingly, a correct take. White is an excellent PnR ballhandler and Jakob feasts as a rolling big, he can score much easily there thanks to his good touch around the rim than if you just dump the ball to him in the high paint and expect him to back someone down, or worse, do a turnaround-floater that he likes so much. I can absolutely see Jakob scoring 8-10 points a night consistently if he's given starter minutes and PnR action - but I also see that number dropping if Dejounte starts taking on more ball-handling action. They just don't have anywhere near the same level of chemistry.

Overall..... I want to see my Spurs playing again, tbqh :depressed

I don't think Jakob's increased offensive production was a result of White feeding him necessarily. I think White being back with the team on the court in general and off the court in the locker room, has increased Poetl's confidence on offense. Maybe someone can pull up the stats, but I'm not so sure Poetl's scoring has been on assists by White.

[KobesAchilles]

Did it matter?
Yes it mattered. If the Spurs had more consistent scorers we never would’ve lost to the Lakers in 04. Hell in 05 Parker, Manu, and Tim combined for 98 of our 105 points against Phoenix. They had to go God mode for us to win. When one of the big 3 struggled is when we lost bc we had no other consistent scorers. I mean Tim used to routinely score 40 in the playoffs and lose. Y’all may not remember those days but I do. 40 against the Lakers and we were swept. 40 and 15 in game 7 against Dallas and we lost. If Bowen could make a free throw then they don’t do hack a Bowen and we lose.

The point of him bringing up Bowen makes zero sense bc we don’t have 3 hall of famers anymore. We have zero. We don’t even have an all star. We have a buncha maybe all stars in the future.

[exstatic]

Yes it mattered. If the Spurs had more consistent scorers we never would’ve lost to the Lakers in 04. Hell in 05 Parker, Manu, and Tim combined for 98 of our 105 points against Phoenix. They had to go God mode for us to win. When one of the big 3 struggled is when we lost bc we had no other consistent scorers. I mean Tim used to routinely score 40 in the playoffs and lose. Y’all may not remember those days but I do. 40 against the Lakers and we were swept. 40 and 15 in game 7 against Dallas and we lost. If Bowen could make a free throw then they don’t do hack a Bowen and we lose.

The point of him bringing up Bowen makes zero sense bc we don’t have 3 hall of famers anymore. We have zero. We don’t even have an all star. We have a buncha maybe all stars in the future.

Everyone can’t score 20 points every night. The good thing is, we have like SIX GUYS who can and have. Everyone doesn’t need to score. Some guys have other jobs. Jakob sets world class screens, rebounds like a maniac, and both quarterbacks the defense, and protects the rim.

There are young players who put the ball in the hole pretty well, but do nothing else. I’d rather have someone who does everything else, and maybe doesn’t score so much.

[DAF86]

Yes it mattered. If the Spurs had more consistent scorers we never would’ve lost to the Lakers in 04. Hell in 05 Parker, Manu, and Tim combined for 98 of our 105 points against Phoenix. They had to go God mode for us to win. When one of the big 3 struggled is when we lost bc we had no other consistent scorers. I mean Tim used to routinely score 40 in the playoffs and lose. Y’all may not remember those days but I do. 40 against the Lakers and we were swept. 40 and 15 in game 7 against Dallas and we lost. If Bowen could make a free throw then they don’t do hack a Bowen and we lose.

The point of him bringing up Bowen makes zero sense bc we don’t have 3 hall of famers anymore. We have zero. We don’t even have an all star. We have a buncha maybe all stars in the future.

You don't like Bowen as an example? Ok, name me any 10 ppg role player that puts around 10 pts consistently every night. It can be anyone in history. I'll be waiting.

[Dejounte]

Yes it mattered. If the Spurs had more consistent scorers we never would’ve lost to the Lakers in 04. Hell in 05 Parker, Manu, and Tim combined for 98 of our 105 points against Phoenix. They had to go God mode for us to win. When one of the big 3 struggled is when we lost bc we had no other consistent scorers. I mean Tim used to routinely score 40 in the playoffs and lose. Y’all may not remember those days but I do. 40 against the Lakers and we were swept. 40 and 15 in game 7 against Dallas and we lost. If Bowen could make a free throw then they don’t do hack a Bowen and we lose.

The point of him bringing up Bowen makes zero sense bc we don’t have 3 hall of famers anymore. We have zero. We don’t even have an all star. We have a buncha maybe all stars in the future.

We don't know what our players will become. It's foolish to say we knew what Tony and Manu would become this early in their careers either. That's a cop out argument.

[KobesAchilles]

Everyone can’t score 20 points every night. The good thing is, we have like SIX GUYS who can and have. Everyone doesn’t need to score. Some guys have other jobs. Jakob sets world class screens, rebounds like a maniac, and both quarterbacks the defense, and protects the rim.

There are young players who put the ball in the hole pretty well, but do nothing else. I’d rather have someone who does everything else, and maybe doesn’t score so much.

Shit man the points are just going up and up lol. All I asked is for less games of 2 and 4 points from Jakob and now everyone is saying I’m expecting 15 and now 20 points. We have these scorers now but what about next year was my point. Gay will be gone. LMA. Patty. DDR. That’s 60 points a game just gone next year. Just no more 2 point games please. Especially next year bc we will lose those games

[DAF86]

Shit man the points are just going up and up lol. All I asked is for less games of 2 and 4 points from Jakob and now everyone is saying I’m expecting 15 and now 20 points. We have these scorers now but what about next year was my point. Gay will be gone. LMA. Patty. DDR. That’s 60 points a game just gone next year. Just no more 2 point games please. Especially next year bc we will lose those games

No more 2 pts games, what's the barrier? 4, 6? Just so we know, tbh. :lol

I hate to be a dick (not really :lol) but sometimes you gotta admit when you realize you weren't making a very good point, tbh. I think you realized this but instead of acknowledging it, you are going down with the ship.

[BillMc]

There are young players who put the ball in the hole pretty well, but do nothing else. I’d rather have someone who does everything else, and maybe doesn’t score so much.

Agree. If Jakob can get his FT percentage up before the Spurs again are playing meaningful games (i.e. playoffs, with a serious chance to advance), then that's all I really ask of him. Otherwise, he fits his role well.

[GreekSpursfan]

I was always of the opinion that the most important positions are the 1 and the 5 unless your wings are two-way players. I like some of the things Poetl brings to the table but if we are talking about championship contention we need to see more offensively, a go to post move for example, a solid mid range jumper for some pick n pops when LMA is gone. He needs to add some things if he's our starting 5.

[KobesAchilles]

No more 2 pts games, what's the barrier? 4, 6? Just so we know, tbh. :lol

I hate to be a dick (not really :lol) but sometimes you gotta admit when you realize you weren't making a very good point, tbh. I think you realized this but instead of acknowledging it, you are going down with the ship.

My first post literally said my name parameters but since you don’t know how to fucking read I had to explain it in like 15 posts. In my first post I said I wanted consistency and you went off on this long ass weird tangent where I’m expecting 15 points a game from him. And :lol at bringing up stats in an argument. I don’t like him being good one game offensively and then extremely shitty the next game. Pretty clear stance. I never mentioned a point total until YOU brought it up randomly.

And then you randomly brought up Bruce Bowen when a) it was a different era. b) it was a completely different offense. And c) we had 3 hall of famers in their prime to offset his shitty ass scoring. Also Avery fucking Johnson and Johnny Moore are in the rafters. That doesn’t mean shit anymore when you dilute it like that. But if Bowen could score we wouldn’t have lost in 04 to LA where they triple teamed Tim and he kicked out to shitty shooters and in 06 where Nelson took him out of the game by hacking him and once again he couldn’t shoot worth shit.

[KobesAchilles]

We don't know what our players will become. It's foolish to say we knew what Tony and Manu would become this early in their careers either. That's a cop out argument.
I see you dropped the whole “did it matter?” sarcastic response :lol Bc as a Spurs fan it was annoying af watching Tim get doubled only for Bowen, Turk, Horry, and first year Finley miss every open jumpshot and we lose 2 very winnable series/championships. The fact that Tim only won 4 in his prime is a travesty. We also should have 3peated.

And it’s not a cop out. I mentioned that the youngsters could evolve but for us to be successful next year, I believe Jakob is going to have to step it up offensively. It’s not some grand statement.

[Dejounte]

I see you dropped the whole “did it matter?” sarcastic response :lol Bc as a Spurs fan it was annoying af watching Tim get doubled only for Bowen, Turk, Horry, and first year Finley miss every open jumpshot and we lose 2 very winnable series/championships. The fact that Tim only won 4 in his prime is a travesty. We also should have 3peated.

And it’s not a cop out. I mentioned that the youngsters could evolve but for us to be successful next year, I believe Jakob is going to have to step it up offensively. It’s not some grand statement.

I didn't drop it. We're still on the same topic:

Bowen is comparable to Poetl
You brought up that the team with Bowen had HOFs
I said it's a cop out argument to mention that that team had HOFs when we don't know what our current players will become, so why mention it?

It's literally the same topic.

[The Truth #6]

This thread is confusing but I took the HOF comment not to be about our current players’ ceilings, but a statement that the the Big 3 could put up big scoring numbers—the HOF part is a by product of their statistical greatness. But I will probably regret jumping into this thread. Ha.

[Dejounte]

This thread is confusing but I took the HOF comment not to be about our current players’ ceilings, but a statement that the the Big 3 could put up big scoring numbers—the HOF part is a by product of their statistical greatness. But I will probably regret jumping into this thread. Ha.

Again,

Saying that the big 3 could put up big scoring numbers is moot when we don't know yet if our current players are capable of doing that (even though it's really starting to be convincing that they could).

[buttsR4rebounding]

Lol and we’ve come back full circle. I didn’t randomly choose games in my first post. I chose the games that he started. Like I said, I just want consistency. Not 19 one game and 2 the next and then 14 and then 4

That’s exactly what guys who average 8 to 10 points a game do. The average of the 4 games you cited is 9.75/game. Since he has been starting he is shooting 67% from the floor. What’s not to like?

[DAF86]

My first post literally said my name parameters but since you don’t know how to fucking read I had to explain it in like 15 posts. In my first post I said I wanted consistency and you went off on this long ass weird tangent where I’m expecting 15 points a game from him. And :lol at bringing up stats in an argument. I don’t like him being good one game offensively and then extremely shitty the next game. Pretty clear stance. I never mentioned a point total until YOU brought it up randomly.

And then you randomly brought up Bruce Bowen when a) it was a different era. b) it was a completely different offense. And c) we had 3 hall of famers in their prime to offset his shitty ass scoring. Also Avery fucking Johnson and Johnny Moore are in the rafters. That doesn’t mean shit anymore when you dilute it like that. But if Bowen could score we wouldn’t have lost in 04 to LA where they triple teamed Tim and he kicked out to shitty shooters and in 06 where Nelson took him out of the game by hacking him and once again he couldn’t shoot worth shit.

Two things are clear: 1) you want offensive consistency from Poeltl - 2) you don't ask him to score 15 ppg. You are fine with him scoring 8/10 ppg.

So I have one question for you (which I already made several times but you have yet to answer. Likely because you can't find one): which other 10 ppg role player you know that has "offensive consistency"? You can name any player from any era. You are asking Poeltl to do something that hasn't been done by any other player in history, that's what you need to understand.

[DAF86]

That’s exactly what guys who average 8 to 10 points a game do. The average of the 4 games you cited is 9.75/game. Since he has been starting he is shooting 67% from the floor. What’s not to like?

Exactly. This guy thinks that 10 ppg role players score 10 pts every game. :lol

[KobesAchilles]

I didn't drop it. We're still on the same topic:

Bowen is comparable to Poetl
You brought up that the team with Bowen had HOFs
I said it's a cop out argument to mention that that team had HOFs when we don't know what our current players will become, so why mention it?




It's literally the same topic.
And Bowen's lack of offense hurt us in the playoffs. That's why I said you dropped it. You asked if it mattered and I gave you specific series we lost where it did. Bowen is also not comparable to Poetl bc Bowen guarded the othe rteam's best player. Poetl has never done that successfully. It also isn't a cop out to suggest that none of our players are as good as Tim Duncan. Bowen played with the best PF of all time, a top 5 player all time and probably the best big man defender of all time. Poetl plays with none of those and never will play with a player the same caliber as Tim.

Had Bowen been on any other team (say Miami) he would be out of the league. The Spurs saved his ass bc we had an all time great player. That's why it isn't fair to bring up Bowen and Poetl comps.

I think Poetl is going to have to pick up his scoring next year. We can live this year with his games where he is a nonfactor bc we have alot of offensive players. I don't see us re-signing any of them (and i think Demar will get an offer from us but turn it down). Next year, I don't see us having the same offensive players and he will need to step up his game for us to win.

[KobesAchilles]

Two things are clear: 1) you want offensive consistency from Poeltl - 2) you don't ask him to score 15 ppg. You are fine with him scoring 8/10 ppg.

So I have one question for you (which I already made several times but you have yet to answer. Likely because you can't find one): which other 10 ppg role player you know that has "offensive consistency"? You can name any player from any era. You are asking Poeltl to do something that hasn't been done by any other player in history, that's what you need to understand.

Then I guess I am :lol And I guess that is what every role player. does I mean I would like him to score more of course but I don't think he is capable. I think realistically the best I could ask for him is 10. But next year a lot of our wins are going to come down to if he scores double digits. And that scares the shit out of me. It was like that ridiculous stat where we were like 20-1 when Bonner hit 2 threes in a game (I forgot the exact record). Poetl is going to be that next year. We will be like 15-7 when he scores in the double digits and about the reverse when he doesn't.

[KobesAchilles]

Exactly. This guy thinks that 10 ppg role players score 10 pts every game. :lol
Tbh i thought there range was alot more 6-12 than 2-14.

[Dejounte]

And Bowen's lack of offense hurt us in the playoffs. That's why I said you dropped it. You asked if it mattered and I gave you specific series we lost where it did. Bowen is also not comparable to Poetl bc Bowen guarded the othe rteam's best player. Poetl has never done that successfully. It also isn't a cop out to suggest that none of our players are as good as Tim Duncan. Bowen played with the best PF of all time, a top 5 player all time and probably the best big man defender of all time. Poetl plays with none of those and never will play with a player the same caliber as Tim.

Had Bowen been on any other team (say Miami) he would be out of the league. The Spurs saved his ass bc we had an all time great player. That's why it isn't fair to bring up Bowen and Poetl comps.

I think Poetl is going to have to pick up his scoring next year. We can live this year with his games where he is a nonfactor bc we have alot of offensive players. I don't see us re-signing any of them (and i think Demar will get an offer from us but turn it down). Next year, I don't see us having the same offensive players and he will need to step up his game for us to win.
I typed this shit on my phone so bear with me

1) "Bowen's offense lack of offense hurt us in the playoffs" - Bowen's defense also helped us in the playoffs

2) "Bowen's not comparable to Poetl because he guarded the best player" - well duh, but you can argue Poetl's impact on defense is better than Bowen because he anchors it. Bowen is a shutdown defender and that's a great utility. Having a center be your fucking wall is a better one. The stats back up Poetl's impact.

3) "No one compares to Timmy D" - this is exactly what I meant by cop out. All discussions don't need to end because lord and savior Timmy D trumps everbody. Instead, let's look at offense-deficient centers in the league and ask ourselves if they can succeed? The answer is yes, if you have capable scorers at each of the other four positions.

5) "we wont have the same players next season" - i dont know and neither do you. Conversations fall apart when we make assumptions in the future because there will always be some type of bias on estimating it. Like if you truly believed in your head that all the Spurs do is keep players like Bryn Forbes and do nothing...well, guess what? That didn't end up happening. Just an example. Or how about the other way around and say you believed the Spurs were going to for sure trade up because they did it once in their history... We don't know. No one knows. When we look to the future that way, we say shit like "the Rockets have a better future than the Spurs" and then reality hits us hard and shit hits the fan and Harden gets traded. My point is, it's better to assess the future based on patterns and repeated behavior while allowing the possibility of new behavior to occur. And in this case, it becomes too convoluted to say multiple assumptions (DeMar will turn us down, we're not re-signing our players, we won't have the same offensive players, etc.) that are based on many factors to happen that the discussion becomes dead on arrival.

[exstatic]

Exactly. This guy thinks that 10 ppg role players score 10 pts every game. :lol

It’s like Danny Green being a 40% shooter from beyond the arc. He almost NEVER shoots 2-5 for a game, and in fact, probably the best description of his inconsistency would be to say that he alternates games of 4-5 with games of 0-5, netting a 40% rate. Low usage players are almost never on their averages.

[spurraider21]

You don't like Bowen as an example? Ok, name me any 10 ppg role player that puts around 10 pts consistently every night. It can be anyone in history. I'll be waiting.
yeah, i dont get it.

when the spurs won in 2003, David Robinson averaged 8.5 and 8, and bruce bowen averaged 7. both started

in 2005 nazr mohammed averaged 6 and 6. bowen averaged 8. both started

in 2007, same story with bowen and oberto not being very productive stat wise

in 2015... tiago splitter and danny green were not high scorers.

now, you could argue that in today's NBA, scoring figures are a lot higher and you aren't winning games with final scores of 77-73 anymore, and so you need more production. but frankly, if poodle can play the way he has in recent weeks, i dont see why that isnt sufficient

[Down Under]

I don't think Jakob's increased offensive production was a result of White feeding him necessarily. I think White being back with the team on the court in general and off the court in the locker room, has increased Poetl's confidence on offense. Maybe someone can pull up the stats, but I'm not so sure Poetl's scoring has been on assists by White.
IIRC, the White/Poeltl PnR combo over the past 2 seasons, produces more PPP than any other combo in the NBA.

[XDT76]

Poeltl is probably the eighth option on scoring after DDR, Murray, White, Gay, Mills, KJ, Lonnie and if he is expected to at least score 10pts every game, I wonder how high is the Spurs expected to score every night. In the last 10 games other than Houston, which he shot terribly, he is averaging at least 50% on his shots so its more like he takes what the defense gives him and since he is not a focus on offense and is not a ball handler it is to be expected that his number of attempts varies greatly every game.

[Elementis]

Poeltl is probably the eighth option on scoring after DDR, Murray, White, Gay, Mills, KJ, Lonnie and if he is expected to at least score 10pts every game, I wonder how high is the Spurs expected to score every night. In the last 10 games other than Houston, which he shot terribly, he is averaging at least 50% on his shots so its more like he takes what the defense gives him and since he is not a focus on offense and is not a ball handler it is to be expected that his number of attempts varies greatly every game.

I think this is exactly the point. he's a very efficient scorer (usually), in the sense that him shooting seldom wastes posessions. so how much he scores is a direct outcome of the gravity of the other scorers. he isn't going to get his points on his own. his offense is a by-product of the game flow more than his skills. those 8-10 points he can score with his skills if the others do their job. so what you actually demand is the others to assert their game consistently.
if the others are no threat, then Poeltl won't get his either really, unless he develops that infamous midrange jumper no one is honestly expecting..

but what you do get from him is consistent defense. i think the other players inconsistent defense is a far bigger factor than Poeltl's less consistent offense. look at the variations, and the spread in his points compared to what some others give up compared to their potential, then you see where the real problem is

[Dejounte]

IIRC, the White/Poeltl PnR combo over the past 2 seasons, produces more PPP than any other combo in the NBA.

Thanks. I'm not arguing whether White gives Poetl good looks. Just arguing that it doesn't really appear the case for the recent games where Poetl has increased his scoring. Would love to see the stat + link for that.

[Sugus]

Thanks. I'm not arguing whether White gives Poetl good looks. Just arguing that it doesn't really appear the case for the recent games where Poetl has increased his scoring. Would love to see the stat + link for that.

Ah, that could've been the case. I missed one or two of these last games so I didn't quite catch it all. I still think White absolutely raises Poeltl's scoring ceiling when they share the court though, I just don't know whether the last few games have been an example of it (I'd love to see some stats on this as well).

On a different note, what a shitshow this thread became... Might have to stop bumping it :lol

[TD 21]

Well context is important buddy. This is in regards to him being our starter for the future. And he would be getting more than 22 minutes a game. This is also when we lose Rudy Gay, LMA, Patty Mills, and potentially DDR. That’s a lot of scoring to lose at once and Jakob is going to have to score more in order to fit going forward. In a perfect world, Lonnie, Derrick, DJ, and KJ will all give us 15-20 a night. But what about the rest of the scoring? Jakob has to pick up some slack on that end.

I know, that's why I'm a stickler for providing it.

Due to a combination of relative lack of stamina, offensive limitations and foul prone nature, Poeltl will probably never average more than high 20s mpg.

That's not how it works. When "we" lose those players (this is the 21st ranked offense), a combination of younger players getting more minutes/usage and whoever is brought in to replace them, will sop up the vacated offensive opportunities.

[KobesAchilles]

I know, that's why I'm a stickler for providing it.

Due to a combination of relative lack of stamina, offensive limitations and foul prone nature, Poeltl will probably never average more than high 20s mpg.

That's not how it works. When "we" lose those players (this is the 21st ranked offense), a combination of younger players getting more minutes/usage and whoever is brought in to replace them, will sop up the vacated offensive opportunities.
That’s a lot of trust in PATFO that frankly we shouldn’t have. If we are the 21st offense, Idk what metric you are using, it can get worse

[TD 21]

That’s a lot of trust in PATFO that frankly we shouldn’t have. If we are the 21st offense, Idk what metric you are using, it can get worse

It has nothing to do with trust. It's inevitable that when they leave, good or bad, replacements will be brought in and combine with the youth to eat up the remaining minutes/usage.

It's not like they're literally going to be missing roughly 55 ppg or whatever and the offense is not exactly great to begin with.

[rankingtear]

Starting spot secure and 35 minutes for a "20 minute a game guy".

[buttsR4rebounding]

Since Poeltl became a starter the Spurs are #2 in the league in opponent fg % at 44.2%. For all the crap the front office gets it appears that the DJ contract and Poeltl contracts will be absolute great value for the Spurs. Now with Samanic’s hopeful signs it appears that this front office has been fucking awesome the past 5 years.

[cjw]

If Poeltl learned to shoot FTs at a 60-65% clip and a little more conditioning to get to the high-20s of minutes played, he’d be worth twice as much per year on the open market. Right now, he’s leaving at least one point per game for the team at the line vs. an even below average shooter. Being a bad FT shooter impacts how people defend you - not worried about possibly committing fouls, so tougher to get shots off.

His fouls committed are down around 20% from last year, which is meaningful in staying on the floor.

[buttsR4rebounding]

If Poeltl learned to shoot FTs at a 60-65% clip and a little more conditioning to get to the high-20s of minutes played, he’d be worth twice as much per year on the open market. Right now, he’s leaving at least one point per game for the team at the line vs. an even below average shooter. Being a bad FT shooter impacts how people defend you - not worried about possibly committing fouls, so tougher to get shots off.

His fouls committed are down around 20% from last year, which is meaningful in staying on the floor.

It is actually more like .5 points per game he is leaving at the FT line. (Although I agree improvement here is needed.) Also he is shooting at a 65% clip as a starter (and 61% overall) so evidently he is handling the tougher shots you referred to rather well. He is a wash on offense less than a point difference, but is the highest net defender in the league with an 8 point difference between on and off the floor. Also, since he became a starter he is averaging 30.4 minutes per game. So, if I understand your analysis correctly Poeltl is 1 free throw every other game away from being worth $18 million plus per year. So at a minimum I guess you are agreeing that his contract is a great value as I opined.

[Dejounte]

In six years, we'll be discussing Wiseman vs Poeltl. A discussion we never thought we would be having because nobody thought Poeltl would be as good as he is and Wiseman probably would never be as great on defense as Poeltl.

[buttsR4rebounding]

The defensive potential of an eventual Poeltl, Samanic, KJ, Vassel/White, Murray line up has me salivating. When Samanic and Bates-Diop were on the floor in the 2nd half together the Spurs length (seems almost like an oxymoron) bothered the Knicks big time. They were having major issues trying to pass over the top of the defense and that line up has excellent size.

[RC_Drunkford]

This is a slight overpay but might be a good contract down the stretch. Apparently Jakob was shooting 3s during his workouts. Not that I think he can shoot them but if he improves his offense it would be a good contract down the line. I’d rather lock him up for 3 years than to have him signed for 1 year for cheap and then having to renegotiate next year

great value contract tbh. 8 million per year for your starting C is nothing, Demarre Carroll is still getting paid 6 million and he ain't even on the roster

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/The_BBall_Index/status/1367263520702742532?s=19

Rudy Gobert-lite

[Spursfanfromafar]

https://twitter.com/The_BBall_Index/status/1367263520702742532?s=19

Rudy Gobert-lite

27 million over 3 years vs 205 million over 5 years.

Bang for buck?

[PrimeMinister]

Rudy Gobert age 25 season- 13/11 on 2 blocks a game 30mpg

Jakob as a starter- 9/9 on 2 blocks a game in 28 minutes and seems to be finding his touch and rhythm offensively as the year goes on

If Jak stays healthy and continues on this current trajectory he is getting paid in 2023

[spurraider21]

Jakob 2.0

[Dex]

Rudy Gobert age 25 season- 13/11 on 2 blocks a game 30mpg

Jakob as a starter- 9/9 on 2 blocks a game in 28 minutes and seems to be finding his touch and rhythm offensively as the year goes on

If Jak stays healthy and continues on this current trajectory he is getting paid in 2023

At least he's not getting paid now.

I was skeptical about the contract they threw at him at first, but it's starting to look like a discount if he can maintain his current level of play (especially if he stays a starter).

[exstatic]

I never understood the freakout about this deal, even before he started. It’s less than the fucking MLE, and all of the advanced stats said that what happened with his increased minutes was always going to happen.

[cjw]

It is actually more like .5 points per game he is leaving at the FT line. (Although I agree improvement here is needed.) Also he is shooting at a 65% clip as a starter (and 61% overall) so evidently he is handling the tougher shots you referred to rather well. He is a wash on offense less than a point difference, but is the highest net defender in the league with an 8 point difference between on and off the floor. Also, since he became a starter he is averaging 30.4 minutes per game. So, if I understand your analysis correctly Poeltl is 1 free throw every other game away from being worth $18 million plus per year. So at a minimum I guess you are agreeing that his contract is a great value as I opined.

Yeah. Should have clarified that he’s a bargain at $9 million, and if he were a decent FT shooter he’d be making twice as much per year on the open market. The fact that he’s not limits ability to stay on floor in certain situations. He’s that big of a difference maker on defensive end.

[Dex]

I never understood the freakout about this deal, even before he started. It’s less than the fucking MLE, and all of the advanced stats said that what happened with his increased minutes was always going to happen.

General thinking was that he is outdated for "today's NBA"...and then he started off the season poorly and that just added fuel to the fire.

That said...he has been a difference maker in the last 10-15 games, especially since he broke into the starting rotation. He's never going to be a 20PPG scorer or anything, but if he can keep doing what he is doing, he will be worth every penny.

[The Truth #6]

My initial issue with the contract was that it felt like we were headed to an awkward year, wasted year, actually, by not trading LMA. I didn’t predict that LMA not just be benched but pretty much disappear and pave the way for Yak’s ascendancy.

I love the FO’s emphasis on defense, which is probably a smart style to aspire towards for a small market team that has challenges, like all small market teams, of attracting splashy players. I’m happy to see a well rounded team that actually gets along with each other with no prima donna on the team dominating the ball and cap space.

[TheGreatYacht]

This thread reeks of estrogen :lmao

No Spurs player has ever sucked according to fluffers 1, 2, and 3 ( Dejounte , exstatic , Sugus )

Poeltl is fucking garbage and I have no idea why this thread was bumped like this dude was lighting the league on fire. He had 2 points and 5 boards in the OKC loss and for some reason faggots on here are comparing him to Gobert and Wiseman. Can’t make this shit up. I’d take any big on the Mavs for this lazy stiff

[Dejounte]

This thread reeks of estrogen :lmao

No Spurs player has ever sucked according to fluffers 1, 2, and 3 ( Dejounte , exstatic , Sugus )

Poeltl is fucking garbage and I have no idea why this thread was bumped like this dude was lighting the league on fire. He had 2 points and 5 boards in the OKC loss and for some reason faggots on here are comparing him to Gobert and Wiseman. Can’t make this shit up. I’d take any big on the Mavs for this lazy stiff

The fuck? Don't @ me, you little goober. Get off my dick.

[TheGreatYacht]

The fuck? Don't @ me, you little goober. Get off my dick.
Just regulating the forum retards. Go fanboy over more euro trash prospects that won’t amount to shit like your boy Poku.

Poeltl is garbage. Derrick White won’t save his scrub ass.

[Dejounte]

Just regulating the forum retards. Go fanboy over more euro trash prospects that won’t amount to shit like your boy Poku.

Poeltl is garbage. Derrick White won’t save his scrub ass.

My boy Poku? Lmfao bruh I know this cock is good but hop off already. You're all up on me.

[KobesAchilles]

I mean not to gloat but Poetl has looked like shit the past couple of games. I get called out whenever he has a good game but whenever the dude plays like shit it’s crickets on my call outs...Is he going through a mini slump? It’s possible. Or it’s possible that this is what we are going to get for a good chunk of games

[Ice009]

He's simply not good enough offensively IMO. In a different era, he could have been a much more well regarded player because of his defense, but in this current NBA, he's still a liability on offense. He's just not a closer due to not being good on offense. It's tough to have him out there to close games, and that sucks because his defense is great most of the time. I'm indifferent on him right now. Not sure which way I am leaning.

[rankingtear]

I mean not to gloat but Poetl has looked like shit the past couple of games. I get called out whenever he has a good game but whenever the dude plays like shit it’s crickets on my call outs...Is he going through a mini slump? It’s possible. Or it’s possible that this is what we are going to get for a good chunk of games

He went 2-2 on FT what more do you want.

[RD2191]

He's simply not good enough offensively IMO. In a different era, he could have been a much more well regarded player because of his defense, but in this current NBA, he's still a liability on offense. He's just not a closer due to not being good on offense. It's tough to have him out there to close games, and that sucks because his defense is great most of the time. I'm indifferent on him right now. Not sure which way I am leaning.
pretty much tbh. We'd be a title contender if he averaged even 10-12 ppg imo. this isn't the 90s/2000s. everyone on the floor has to be an offensive threat to be a contender in this era.

[exstatic]

I mean not to gloat but Poetl has looked like shit the past couple of games. I get called out whenever he has a good game but whenever the dude plays like shit it’s crickets on my call outs...Is he going through a mini slump? It’s possible. Or it’s possible that this is what we are going to get for a good chunk of games

He can’t defend by himself, and before last night, we had been missing White and Vassell.

Jason Tatum said that it took him weeks to get back to normal, post COVID, and it showed in our shitty rotations last night.

[Sugus]

This thread reeks of estrogen :lmao

No Spurs player has ever sucked according to fluffers 1, 2, and 3 ( Dejounte , exstatic , Sugus )

Poeltl is fucking garbage and I have no idea why this thread was bumped like this dude was lighting the league on fire. He had 2 points and 5 boards in the OKC loss and for some reason faggots on here are comparing him to Gobert and Wiseman. Can’t make this shit up. I’d take any big on the Mavs for this lazy stiff

Can't wait until the next game Jakob plays well in, so your retarded ass can fuck off the forum for a few weeks like you usually do, tbh

Out of all the retard posters that come out of the woodworks with every loss, you're probably top-2 in shit take rankings... Congrats? :lol

[exstatic]

Can't wait until the next game Jakob plays well in, so your retarded ass can fuck off the forum for a few weeks like you usually do, tbh

Out of all the retard posters that come out of the woodworks with every loss, you're probably top-2 in shit take rankings... Congrats? :lol
Edge Lords gonna edge...

[Sugus]

I mean not to gloat but Poetl has looked like shit the past couple of games. I get called out whenever he has a good game but whenever the dude plays like shit it’s crickets on my call outs...Is he going through a mini slump? It’s possible. Or it’s possible that this is what we are going to get for a good chunk of games

You get called out when he has a good game? When bruh? The only one (I at least) called out is my guy Spurraider, but only due to our playful banter on Drummond :lol

Anyways, Poeltl was far from the main reason we lost last night, I don't know what posters expect (actually, I do; jack shit) when the rest of the team lays a big fat egg on the court. Funny Poeltl's signing thread gets bumped, but not White's... Wonder why, tbh :wakeup

[Jordan Jackson]

He’s never going to be the answer at center. He’s a band-aid at this point. Clyde Fraiser said something last week that’s kind of true - Jak is a bust. Based on what he was projected to do and be, Clyde is right. People keep waiting for this guy to figure it out and he hasn’t yet.

You just can’t have someone on the court who isn’t a threat offensively. NBA defenses today will punish you for it.

[PrimeMinister]

The last time Jakob wasn’t in the starting line up we lost by 31 points to the Memphis grizzlies

we were dominated on the glass last night in large part thanks to unique match ups at the point guard, power forward, and center positions. Jakob was often out of the paint as a result of Tingus Pingus’ ability to spread the floor. Maxi Kleber was able to clean up the offensive glass with no big present with 4 offensive boards. Zinger was also able to use his length to grab a few rebounds that we are used to seeing Jakob get.

you can cry about Jak’s offense but when 2 of your shot creators in Dejounte and Derrick White shoot a combined 6-23 from the floor, it’s gonna be really hard for a big to do much of anything unless you have a Jokic or Embiid who can iso and initiate offense.

the obvious fix was add size at the 3 and 4 to battle with the bigger wings and forwards of the mavs. The adjustment was not made and we got burned with Rudy at the 5 and small line ups.

Not his best performance- but if you watched that game and your instinct was to bump this thread and wallow in your own smooth brain shit, you are not just a dumb basketball watcher. You are a dumb person.

[Sugus]

The last time Jakob wasn’t in the starting line up we lost by 31 points to the Memphis grizzlies

we were dominated on the glass last night in large part thanks to unique match ups at the point guard, power forward, and center positions. Jakob was often out of the paint as a result of Tingus Pingus’ ability to spread the floor. Maxi Kleber was able to clean up the offensive glass with no big present with 4 offensive boards. Zinger was also able to use his length to grab a few rebounds that we are used to seeing Jakob get.

you can cry about Jak’s offense but when 2 of your shot creators in Dejounte and Derrick White shoot a combined 6-23 from the floor, it’s gonna be really hard for a big to do much of anything unless you have a Jokic or Embiid who can iso and initiate offense.

the obvious fix was add size at the 3 and 4 to battle with the bigger wings and forwards of the mavs. The adjustment was not made and we got burned with Rudy at the 5 and small line ups.

Not his best performance- but if you watched that game and your instinct was to bump this thread and wallow in your own smooth brain shit, you are not just a dumb basketball watcher. You are a dumb person.


:cry:cry:cry B-b-but Jakob no offense!! miss FTs!!! No 10 points!1!! :cry:cry:cry

[KobesAchilles]

You get called out when he has a good game? When bruh? The only one (I at least) called out is my guy Spurraider, but only due to our playful banter on Drummond :lol

Anyways, Poeltl was far from the main reason we lost last night, I don't know what posters expect (actually, I do; jack shit) when the rest of the team lays a big fat egg on the court. Funny Poeltl's signing thread gets bumped, but not White's... Wonder why, tbh :wakeup
Yeah I had like 3 people call me out. It's somewhere earlier in this thread. You will just see people @ me :lol

It's a fun message board for sure. Derrick White is starting to scare me which is why in the fantasy minutes thread Dejounte made my response had us trading him to the Hawks. Not bc I don't like Derrick, but the dude just seems always hurt/out one way or another

[Sugus]

Yeah I had like 3 people call me out. It's somewhere earlier in this thread. You will just see people @ me :lol

It's a fun message board for sure. Derrick White is starting to scare me which is why in the fantasy minutes thread Dejounte made my response had us trading him to the Hawks. Not bc I don't like Derrick, but the dude just seems always hurt/out one way or another

Lol, I'll keep an eye out for it in the future. And definitely a fun board, except for the trolls and people who don't watch games but somehow know every single move the Spurs should always make - and they're always right! Never fails to make me laugh.

White is worrying me as well, tbh. I just don't know if he'll ever be able to live up to his contract, both production-wise playing next to other ball-hogging players, and health-wise. There's a chance he doesn't have these issues in the future, like Curry's ankle issues early in his career, but also a chance that he struggles with nagging injuries throughout his career, and never plays a full season, for the Spurs or elsewhere. I'm nowhere close to wanting to trade him yet, but worried, for sure.

[bluebellmaniac]

He went 2-2 on FT what more do you want.

3-2 ... A FT that is so beautiful, they give him 2 points for it.

[buttsR4rebounding]

The last time Jakob wasn’t in the starting line up we lost by 31 points to the Memphis grizzlies

we were dominated on the glass last night in large part thanks to unique match ups at the point guard, power forward, and center positions. Jakob was often out of the paint as a result of Tingus Pingus’ ability to spread the floor. Maxi Kleber was able to clean up the offensive glass with no big present with 4 offensive boards. Zinger was also able to use his length to grab a few rebounds that we are used to seeing Jakob get.

you can cry about Jak’s offense but when 2 of your shot creators in Dejounte and Derrick White shoot a combined 6-23 from the floor, it’s gonna be really hard for a big to do much of anything unless you have a Jokic or Embiid who can iso and initiate offense.

the obvious fix was add size at the 3 and 4 to battle with the bigger wings and forwards of the mavs. The adjustment was not made and we got burned with Rudy at the 5 and small line ups.

Not his best performance- but if you watched that game and your instinct was to bump this thread and wallow in your own smooth brain shit, you are not just a dumb basketball watcher. You are a dumb person.

This game cried for either White or Keldon to come off the bench and start either Lyles or Luka. I was really looking forward to see how well Luka could hang with KP. I would have liked to see him matched up with the other Luka as well. There were way too many times Keldon was trying to match up with Zing and it was a joke.

[exstatic]

3-2 ... A FT that is so beautiful, they give him 2 points for it.

His second one was nothing but net. Does that count for 2?

[Coach X]

Maybe Poetl is a very good C coming off the bench but just a decent starter C?

His game peaks when he plays great D and finishes ok into the paint but this just happens in some games. To me, there is no doubt he can help the team, but the question is: how often does Jakob play well? 1/3 games? 1/2? 2/5? And how many minutes can he stay on the court avoiding foul trouble?

Consistency is the key. You need consistency from your starters (in terms of minutes) if you want to build up any kind of winning basketball.

[KobesAchilles]

Maybe Poetl is a very good C coming off the bench but just a decent starter C?

His game peaks when he plays great D and finishes ok into the paint but this just happens in some games. To me, there is no doubt he can help the team, but the question is: how often does Jakob play well? 1/3 games? 1/2? 2/5? And how many minutes can he stay on the court avoiding foul trouble?

Consistency is the key. You need consistency from your starters (in terms of minutes) if you want to build up any kind of winning basketball.

Careful bro when you point this out to people they counter by saying he was always a great defender and he is always consistent :lol
Dude is a back up center that will give you 20 good games a season and make people believe he is a legit starter

[Elementis]

Careful bro when you point this out to people they counter by saying he was always a great defender and he is always consistent :lol
Dude is a back up center that will give you 20 good games a season and make people believe he is a legit starter

or just maybe not every team can have an all-star center in their line-up, and having a decent starter C is actually an acceptable solution?

[rankingtear]

or just maybe not every team can have an all-star center in their line-up, and having a decent starter C is actually an acceptable solution?

Yeah, theoretically you can build the same or better lineup with someone like Poeltl than an offensive hub center like Vucevic. Read somewhere that the center is the only position that someone making 9 mil can have the same impact as a 30 mil player. Recent championship teams have proven this claim. You don't want your 30 mil player to be unplayable or ineffective in some playoff matchups and schemes. You want the ability to play big or small while maintaining the talent on the floor. As much money playing as possible.

[Dejounte]

Yeah, theoretically you can build the same or better lineup with someone like Poeltl than an offensive hub center like Vucevic. Read somewhere that the center is the only position that someone making 9 mil can have the same impact as a 30 mil player. Recent championship teams have proven this claim. You don't want your 30 mil player to be unplayable or ineffective in some playoff matchups and schemes. You want the ability to play big or small while maintaining the talent on the floor. As much money playing as possible.

That's one way to look at it.

If a large chunk of cap space is taken by your max contract C, you're gonna be weak somewhere else. People don't really think past "good player good" and "bad player bad" and ignore all the nuances of roster construction.

[buttsR4rebounding]

That's one way to look at it.

If a large chunk of cap space is taken by your max contract C, you're gonna be weak somewhere else. People don't really think past "good player good" and "bad player bad" and ignore all the nuances of roster construction.

The advanced stats are so good for Poeltl that there is no way anyone can say that this contract isn't an excellent value for the Spurs. Hopefully one or two of our young guys break out to the point that they are worth a max deal. Having such a value contract at center makes it much easier to have that happen and be able to keep your other supporting cast members.

[Dejounte]

The advanced stats are so good for Poeltl that there is no way anyone can say that this contract isn't an excellent value for the Spurs. Hopefully one or two of our young guys break out to the point that they are worth a max deal. Having such a value contract at center makes it much easier to have that happen and be able to keep your other supporting cast members.

Aside from Timmy D, I've always found it more fun to watch star guards or wings in the NBA. I'm glad the Spurs are going that route and find one/ develop one on their roster.

[RC_Drunkford]

It's not really about him starting, it's about the rotation. Spurs could just sign a 3-point shooting big like Daniel Theis and the rotation would be good. You just need someone who can give you more spacing out there if the team struggles to score. A 3-point shooting big off the bench would do that for you

[PrimeMinister]

It's not really about him starting, it's about the rotation. Spurs could just sign a 3-point shooting big like Daniel Theis and the rotation would be good. You just need someone who can give you more spacing out there if the team struggles to score. A 3-point shooting big off the bench would do that for you

If you have multiple capable shooters you can get away with an inside big on offense. Derrick being a threat off the bounce is huge because outside of Patty no one on this team is comfortable pulling up from 3 off a high screen and roll. In the starting line up some nights it looks like Derrick white is your only comfortable 3 point shooter at all.

A shooting big can mitigate that in the short term, but the long term ceiling of this team will be contingent on Keldon and Dejounte developing a consistent stroke to the point of being above average. We need reliable shooting in the backcourt and wings before we start talking about a center being the problem, IMO.

Pop wants to use Gay at the 5 at times when teams fall into zone but they routinely get killed in the paint defensively. Lyles is too slow and doesn’t understand rim protection. So short of a player like Kelly O coming back in a trade- I like using Luka situationally at the 5 like we’ve seen in gleague.

[exstatic]

If you have multiple capable shooters you can get away with an inside big on offense. Derrick being a threat off the bounce is huge because outside of Patty no one on this team is comfortable pulling up from 3 off a high screen and roll. In the starting line up some nights it looks like Derrick white is your only comfortable 3 point shooter at all.

A shooting big can mitigate that in the short term, but the long term ceiling of this team will be contingent on Keldon and Dejounte developing a consistent stroke to the point of being above average. We need reliable shooting in the backcourt and wings before we start talking about a center being the problem, IMO.

Pop wants to use Gay at the 5 at times when teams fall into zone but they routinely get killed in the paint defensively. Lyles is too slow and doesn’t understand rim protection. So short of a player like Kelly O coming back in a trade- I like using Luka situationally at the 5 like we’ve seen in gleague.

Don’t sleep on Devin being a spacer. He shoots 40% from outside the arc, and shoots more attempts per 36 than DJ or Keldon.

[BackHome]

It’s not just hitting the 3 point shots Poodle can’t any shot - Mid range or Free Throws and there called “FREE” For a reason Lol.

[PrimeMinister]

It’s not just hitting the 3 point shots Poodle can’t any shot - Mid range or Free Throws and there called “FREE” For a reason Lol.

Free throw discourse regarding a guy who has increased his percentage since the beginning of the year and shoots like 1 a game- lovely.

anything else?

[exstatic]

It’s not just hitting the 3 point shots Poodle can’t any shot - Mid range or Free Throws and there called “FREE” For a reason Lol.

His little pop a shot is pretty money, too. It’s suits him, since it’s shot with only one hand, no guide hand, and he seems to gravitate towards that.

[PrimeMinister]

His little pop a shot is pretty money, too. It’s suits him, since it’s shot with only one hand, no guide hand, and he seems to gravitate towards that.

6 assists last night and some nice passes out of the high post and on the low block for easy baskets

there’s more to life than shooting the basketball

[exstatic]

6 assists last night and some nice passes out of the high post and on the low block for easy baskets

there’s more to life than shooting the basketball

There’s certainly more to offense. He creates shots for other players in three ways: directly, via pick; indirectly, via roll gravity; directly, via pass.

[Sugus]

There’s certainly more to offense. He creates shots for other players in three ways: directly, via pick; indirectly, via roll gravity; directly, via pass.

And people really tell me that he can't be compared to Rudy Gobert :lol:lol

[itzsoweezee]

I still have no idea if poetl is any good or not, but advanced defensive stats are basically shit. They mean nothing. You can’t make judgments off them like you can with advanced offensive stats.

[exstatic]

I still have no idea if poetl is any good or not, but advanced defensive stats are basically shit. They mean nothing. You can’t make judgments off them like you can with advanced offensive stats.

Bullshit.

[KingKev]

I’ve been a huge Jak hater but the way he is playing now is pretty impressive. He just needs to start dunking on ppl. Learn a dribble bounce, drop step move. He is a beast of a body down low. Bully the opponents and draw contact. Will Perdue was more forceful in the paint.

[exstatic]

I’ve been a huge Jak hater but the way he is playing now is pretty impressive. He just needs to start dunking on ppl. Learn a dribble bounce, drop step move. He is a beast of a body down low. Bully the opponents and draw contact. Will Perdue was more forceful in the paint.

I think as he gets the FT thing down, he’ll be more aggressive in the paint. Right now, they just foul him.

[itzsoweezee]

Bullshit.

I remember when these advanced defensive stats said kawhi was one of the worst defenders in the league, in a year where he was a defensive monster. They’re, trash. No team takes them seriously. But I guess they’re good for meaningless internet arguments

[tonight...you]

I still have no idea if poetl is any good or not, but advanced defensive stats are basically shit. They mean nothing. You can’t make judgments off them like you can with advanced offensive stats.
That's because you don't watch games.

[BackHome]

I think as he gets the FT thing down, he’ll be more aggressive in the paint. Right now, they just foul him.

Your right and I guess that is where my frustration with Poodle lays in that as much as we rag on LMA showing up out of shape the same can be said for Poodle. Him shooting 30+% tells me he is not putting in the off season work and also him showing Zero growth on his offensive game.

[itzsoweezee]

That's because you don't watch games.

Who said anything about games? I was literally talking about stats, dummy.

[exstatic]

I remember when these advanced defensive stats said kawhi was one of the worst defenders in the league, in a year where he was a defensive monster. They’re, trash. No team takes them seriously. But I guess they’re good for meaningless internet arguments

That never fucking happened. His DWS and DBPM have always been elite.

Stop lying and making shit up.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Since Poeltl has been the starting line up the Spurs have the #1 Defensive Rating in the league. Before they were greatly improved from last year, but still in the middle of the pack. If that doesn’t scream to you that Poeltl’s Defensive Advanced Stats are are accurate then I second ecstatic’s “bullshit.”

[RC_Drunkford]

just don't give Poeltl the ball. He can't do shit with it

[RC_Drunkford]

If you have multiple capable shooters you can get away with an inside big on offense. Derrick being a threat off the bounce is huge because outside of Patty no one on this team is comfortable pulling up from 3 off a high screen and roll. In the starting line up some nights it looks like Derrick white is your only comfortable 3 point shooter at all.

A shooting big can mitigate that in the short term, but the long term ceiling of this team will be contingent on Keldon and Dejounte developing a consistent stroke to the point of being above average. We need reliable shooting in the backcourt and wings before we start talking about a center being the problem, IMO.

Pop wants to use Gay at the 5 at times when teams fall into zone but they routinely get killed in the paint defensively. Lyles is too slow and doesn’t understand rim protection. So short of a player like Kelly O coming back in a trade- I like using Luka situationally at the 5 like we’ve seen in gleague.

if you got DeRozan on the team you need a shooting big. And with our players being drivers who like to get to the rim that pulls the other teams big out the paint. So a shooting big is needed if we extend DeMar, which will happen

[ragas]

just don't give Poeltl the ball. He can't do shit with it

He had 6 assists against ORL.

[RC_Drunkford]

He had 6 assists against ORL.

On dribble hand offs. That’s cool, but there’s no reason to give it to him deep in the paint only for him to miss a bunny cause he can’t score with his back to the basket. Hand offs and when he’s a roller are no problem

[tonight...you]

Who said anything about games? I was literally talking about stats, dummy.
I know dummy.

[PrimeMinister]

if you got DeRozan on the team you need a shooting big. And with our players being drivers who like to get to the rim that pulls the other teams big out the paint. So a shooting big is needed if we extend DeMar, which will happen

like i said, if DJ and Keldon are league average or better % wise from 3 at an expanded volume from where they are now I don’t think it’s a problem. Demar is still able to use a kind of high screen and roll to generate his bread and butter looks from 19 that generate some kind of space.

We’ll cross the Demar extension bridge when we come to it but a 1+1 deal wouldn’t surprise me. I can also see them getting outbid by a team like New York and thibs who was already calling for management to trade young players for “seasoned vets” this past offseason.

Last thing- We all talk about guys like DJ, Derrick, Keldon developing and getting better year by year, but why not Jakob? Why is Jakob always discussed like a finished product when bigs take notoriously longer to develop? The offensive game hasn’t done much, but his ability to find himself in the right place offensively and “fit in” has improved drastically from the bubble on. Basically his awareness and timing is noticeably improved. That extends defensively as well, where this year he is absolutely one of the most fearsome presences in the paint defensively in the nba today. The eye test and every quantifiable data point you can find back that up. So what’s stopping Jakob from continuing to develop his passing, add a power dribble to turn some of those 5 foot bunny floaters into dunks, and maybe get at least confident enough to threaten a shot from 15 feet? I think he can and will.

[PrimeMinister]

On dribble hand offs. That’s cool, but there’s no reason to give it to him deep in the paint only for him to miss a bunny cause he can’t score with his back to the basket. Hand offs and when he’s a roller are no problem

If most were on dribble hand offs, which is possible, he’s still generating the look by virtue of his size and screening ability, that’s the intention of the play. His screening is an underrated part of his contribution on the court.

I do specifically remember a pass from the high post and one on the block in a 2 man situation with dejounte that led to buckets. He can dish it when he needs to.

[KingKev]

Imagine is he had a bonus for dunking? 1m for averaging 1 a game.

[itzsoweezee]

That never fucking happened. His DWS and DBPM have always been elite.

Stop lying and making shit up.

Sure, bro. And I’m sure Patty Mills and Rudy Gay are the best defenders on the Spurs this year!

[Dejounte]

That never fucking happened. His DWS and DBPM have always been elite.

Stop lying and making shit up.


Pay no attention to him. Just a little attention whore trying to stir things up.

Follow your own words, bro.

[r0drig0lac]

Sure, bro. And I’m sure Patty Mills and Rudy Gay are the best defenders on the Spurs this year!

It's all about bias, advanced statistics, without actually watching the games mean absolutely nothing. Last season, Divicenzo had better defensive statistics than DW, but anyone with two neurons knows that this is a complete joke, if you brought that data to the Spurstalk, it would be a reason for jokes (and with good reason), just as if you try to claim that Jakob changes the game defensively on the same level as Gobert, you will be ridiculed anywhere outside of spurstalk, and everything is fine, as long as everyone is aware that they analyze it based on their bias instead of full reality (hell, there were people arguing that it made sense to have Forbes on the team, even though watching just five minutes was enough to see how damaging it was and the ripple effect it created on the team).

[KingKev]

Follow your own words, bro.

LOL

[RC_Drunkford]

like i said, if DJ and Keldon are league average or better % wise from 3 at an expanded volume from where they are now I don’t think it’s a problem. Demar is still able to use a kind of high screen and roll to generate his bread and butter looks from 19 that generate some kind of space.

We’ll cross the Demar extension bridge when we come to it but a 1+1 deal wouldn’t surprise me. I can also see them getting outbid by a team like New York and thibs who was already calling for management to trade young players for “seasoned vets” this past offseason.

Last thing- We all talk about guys like DJ, Derrick, Keldon developing and getting better year by year, but why not Jakob? Why is Jakob always discussed like a finished product when bigs take notoriously longer to develop? The offensive game hasn’t done much, but his ability to find himself in the right place offensively and “fit in” has improved drastically from the bubble on. Basically his awareness and timing is noticeably improved. That extends defensively as well, where this year he is absolutely one of the most fearsome presences in the paint defensively in the nba today. The eye test and every quantifiable data point you can find back that up. So what’s stopping Jakob from continuing to develop his passing, add a power dribble to turn some of those 5 foot bunny floaters into dunks, and maybe get at least confident enough to threaten a shot from 15 feet? I think he can and will.


because the Turtle has been in the league for 5 years and hasn’t developed any offensive game whatsoever. He can’t even shoot free throws. There’s no development happening here

[BackHome]

In all honesty I don't think anyone can argue these two statements right now:
1. Poodle is a Good Defender
2. Poodle Offensive game Sucks

Do I hate the guy no I think he as some say a good singing for a backup - If he would have been our center when Timmy, Manu, Parker where still playing I would have been very Happy. But they not playing and I think we need more offensive from our Center as the league has gone to 3 ball.


Any way, I hope he does finally put the work in the off season and he gets his free throws at least in the 60% - I think him hitting that percentage would give him more mental courage to be more aggressive on offensive . You can tell he doesn't want to shoot cause he is scarred they will foul him and he will have to go to the line. There is nothing worse as a player to go the line and brick free throws it really screws up your mental game

[KobesAchilles]

Get the fuck in here Poodle Slurpers and defend this shitty excuse of offense

[TheGreatYacht]

Every time an advanced stat virgin comes in spewing their capital letter metrics... just bring up this useless piece of shit and they’ll stfu :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

the bottom line is: If you can't make lay ups, you can't start in the NBA. And Poeltl just got blocked by the rim trying to do an up and under. As a 7-footer that's just embarassing

[timtonymanu]

Poor man’s Tiago Splitter minus the health issues