Woj: Zach Collins Agrees to 3-Yr, $22M Deal with Spurs

[Atl Spur]

Everyone point and laugh at how fucking stupid this Slurper is. :lmao

Best big not named Tim and David, he said. Hahahaha Clown.

Hi bud……… the finger is pointing at you now trick!

[Atl Spur]

This thread is a CLASSIC! I told some of you not to start your periods…..

[exstatic]

Oh, I agree, but that's the point really. While Collins had shown promise he was quickly released by Portland and was seen by most as a minimum contract at the time. He didn't do anything for most on this board, so it won't be anyone we like.

Assuming we don't get the #1 pick, I can see Jaxson Hayes as fitting the profile and likely gettable with a similar large non-guaranteed offer give the Pels cap situation.

He showed some in year 2, but never got to have his year 3 breakout, losing that season to surgery recoup. Portland was a
stupid, really having no other developing bigs. Most of the guys you mentioned just washed out for lack of talent or lack of drive. You can’t teach or fix those.

[TeKu]

He showed some in year 2, but never got to have his year 3 breakout, losing that season to surgery recoup. Portland was a
stupid, really having no other developing bigs. Most of the guys you mentioned just washed out for lack of talent or lack of drive. You can’t teach or fix those.

I agree on the can't teach lack of drive. Hayes has some similarity to Zac with a decent Yr 2 then 'other' issues curtailing his playing time, could fit the MO here.

[Chinook]

I still don't like Collins. I don't like how he plays. But I was wrong about how productive he'd be. From a pure value standpoint, he's been a very good player. Hopefully he can stay healthy, because it's clear he's going to put up the kind of numbers that will get the Spurs a good return if he does. Hell, he might even be an extension candidate or may be too good to accept an extension next season (though with his injury history I think he should jump on it). I don't like him, but if he teammates do, this was a home run signing by Wright. They committed very little cap space to him and can get a lot in return. Can't ask for more from a tanking GM.

[The Truth #6]

If he had stayed in Portland there’s no guarantee he would be playing this well. In the end, great move by Wright, but really props to the coaching staff for bringing him back from the dead.

[tonight...you]

I'm not saying the Spurs should trade him, I'm saying the Blazers made a mistake by not keeping him.
Gotcha.

[baseline bum]

Hi bud……… the finger is pointing at you now trick!

Zach Collins... better than HOF Spurs bigman Artis Gilmore.

[Ice009]

What's his current contract situation? Has he still got one year left on his contract?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Some embarrassing posts in the beginning of the thread, mine included :lol

Turns out they know a little more than forum warriors with strong opinions, shocking as it sounds. Hope Zollins stays healthy and productive.

[scott]

In some Bizarro world DJM and John Collins are leading the Spurs to the last play-in spot. In the real world, that is still happening, just in Atlanta :lol

[Atl Spur]

Zach Collins... better than HOF Spurs bigman Artis Gilmore.

No doubt, chicagos a train was a beast for his time:)

[scott]

As we approach a big off-season for the franchise, this was a great thread to go back and read as it is the perfect reminder that this website is filled with regular people speculating on the internet, not NBA scouts.

How many of y’all want Drew back instead of Zollins? :lol

Only Mr. Body brought the right perspective to this thread, though shoutout to CGD for the foresight on this one as well.


I don't really get it, but no reason to shoot your dicks off. Go jack or to John Collins porn and chill out. What a bunch of fucking losers.

[Rocalcio]

I have always been happy with this signing, I wasn’t expecting him to be that good though, I remember focusing a lot on him when he was playing and being happy every time he reached 10 points. Now if he gets 15 it’s a bad game for him.

[JPB]

As we approach a big off-season for the franchise, this was a great thread to go back and read as it is the perfect reminder that this website is filled with regular people speculating on the internet, not NBA scouts.

How many of y’all want Drew back instead of Zollins? :lol

Only Mr. Body brought the right perspective to this thread, though shoutout to CGD for the foresight on this one as well.


I don't really get it, but no reason to shoot your dicks off. Go jack or to John Collins porn and chill out. What a bunch of fucking losers.

Damn, is that our own Mr. Body there? I'm shocked.

[poopbox]

The first 10 pages of this thread :rollin

[exstatic]

One little fact I picked up on re-reading this. He had a different doctor do the last (and successful) surgery, passing up the Portland doc who did the first two in favor of the Team USA surgeon. A bit of a stinging indictment of the Portland guy.

[Seventyniner]

If he had stayed in Portland there’s no guarantee he would be playing this well. In the end, great move by Wright, but really props to the coaching staff for bringing him back from the dead.

If he stayed in Portland there's no guarantee he wouldn't have had that foot amputated by now. Their medical staff has earned its reputation.

Props to Wright for the signing, this is looking like the best case scenario: Zach is producing and staying healthy. But at the time of the signing his health was a major risk.

[Mr. Body]

One little fact I picked up on re-reading this. He had a different doctor do the last (and successful) surgery, passing up the Portland doc who did the first two in favor of the Team USA surgeon. A bit of a stinging indictment of the Portland guy.

A lot of suspicion that Portland ended Oden's and Roy's careers before their time. There was a chance Oden could have played at least a little longer, but their doctors are famously horrific. If Wembanyama goes there, for example, look out.

[exstatic]

A lot of suspicion that Portland ended Oden's and Roy's careers before their time. There was a chance Oden could have played at least a little longer, but their doctors are famously horrific. If Wembanyama goes there, for example, look out.

Portland had a habit of running through medical red flags on draft day. Both Roy and Oden had major ones.

[Sugus]

Inb4 Sugus, Dex, Dejounte, and Mr.Old Body tell us how we're contenders, and anyone poo-pooing this are spoiled fake fans. :lmao


This move sucks no matter who else they sign.

Can you take it like you can dish it, boy? Here's for you to own up to yet another terrible take... :wakeup

[Sugus]

Mr Fat Body gonna spin this into a win for the Spurms as well :lmao

Easily the worst deal FA already. My god. He's a net negative when on the court and he barely does that. Trying to get pasty white asses on seats after Pop offended daddy Trump

:lmao

Going through Spurs signing threads is always hilarious. Consistently shit takes and analysis.

[Ice009]

How are Portland's team doctors so bad? Don't the replace them after what happened with Greg Oden and Brandon Roy?

[exstatic]

How are Portland's team doctors so bad? Don't the replace them after what happened with Greg Oden and Brandon Roy?


Portland had a habit of running through medical red flags on draft day. Both Roy and Oden had major ones.

[jhfenton]

What's his current contract situation? Has he still got one year left on his contract?

Yes. One more year, $7.7 million, team option, guaranteed if not waived by one day after the draft.

[Ariel]

I don't know that Portland's medical staff is the same from 10/15 years back (2006/2007 onwards). No matter how you look at it, they had a major role in the franchise's fate: they either failed to properly assess serious conditions (Oden, Roy), they couldn't properly manage them, or both. Their recent track record isn't much better, given Zach Collins' case (he regains his health as soon as he's treated by a different staff and leaves the franchise), and also Gary Payton II (misdiagnosed and forced to play through an injury requiring significant time off). The US is probably the Mecca of sports medicine, and mismanaging their stars can cost a franchise (valued at a few billion dollars) hundreds of millions of dollars or more. If I'm Portland's FO, I put together a short list of the 5 most reputable professionals in the area, and write a blank check. Pay whatever is necessary, it'll be worth it.

[DPG21920]

Ya - meant with DDR back. No Collins or No DDR then it’s definitely less although I think DDR may not be as big of a loss in the win column as people think with Murray/White/Lonnie/Devin/Keldon absorbing his net negative minutes.


This is typical Spurs. Not good enough to celebrate but not bad enough to be a real landmine and this year doesn’t matter. Eating only 3.7M next year is no biggie if needed but still. This is where the FO has been; nothing that gives you confidence but avoids making you completely hate them


How true the bold turned out lol…I was good with Zach once contract details came out. But Im legit shocked at how productive hes been. Far exceeded the potential upside I thought may exist

[Atl Spur]

The first 10 pages of this thread :rollin

Classic! Amnesia is a real condition:)

[Atl Spur]

Atl Spur makes any of those posters look like the “Edgelord” posters. Also my boy Dex and Sugus are not that bad. :lol

Lol….I need to make a Thank You video for your dumb ass!

[InRareForm]

Lol entertaining to read the first 10 pages

[spurraider21]

Lol entertaining to read the first 10 pages
oh yeah. i thought we were getting a completely broken player. we kinda did, but spurs were incredibly patient with his rehab and the results have been better than i think anybody, including the team, expected

if he can maintain anything resembling this recent level of play for the next year, will be a very interesting decision if they want to extend/re-sign him, or if they will just sell high in the trade market. his defense and propensity to foul is still a real issue if trying to project how well he would look as a starter on a "good" team

[timtonymanu]

Lol….I need to make a Thank You video for your dumb ass!

Is that what you said to Primo when he flashed you?

[Atl Spur]

Is that what you said to Primo when he flashed you?

Be humble or you will be humbled…… let’s not make this a routine thing bud!

[Ariel]

I could have sworn I already saw this play out... again... and again... :rolleyes

[GAustex]

Be humble or you will be humbled…… let’s not make this a routine thing bud!
Miss Cleo getting all sparky cause one of his ‘boys’ finally did something on the worst team in the league.

Girl don’t be getting out of your lane. You have missed epically for your infatuation over the pervert.

Tell again of the future Miss Cleo
Tell us of Langford and your boy Primo

[RC_Drunkford]

I‘m curious what his defensive metrics are since he started. That‘s really where he needs to improve. Offensively he has a complete skillset which is rare for a center. I love how he‘s been bullying players in the post lately

[Atl Spur]

I could have sworn I already saw this play out... again... and again... :rolleyes

And you will until dudes like him quit being little broads:)

[spurraider21]

I‘m curious what his defensive metrics are since he started. That‘s really where he needs to improve. Offensively he has a complete skillset which is rare for a center. I love how he‘s been bullying players in the post lately
he is what he is on defense. hes just ok. not an imposing presence, but mobile enough to have some impact that way. and he's ok on the boards. biggest area of emphasis for him on defense is just avoiding dumb fouls. over the course of the season, his fouls/36 is the highest of his career (over 5). tho in 7 games in march, despite averaging over 29 minutes per game, hes only been committing 2.7 fouls per game. thats the lowest of any monthly average this year, despite by far being the most minutes per game

[timtonymanu]

Be humble or you will be humbled…… let’s not make this a routine thing bud!

Shut up faggot. How’s that for humble?

[GAustex]

Miss Cleo is on her period again

[Cabrito]

Collins is becoming what we hoped Luka could become when he was drafted.

[Ice009]

I don't know that Portland's medical staff is the same from 10/15 years back (2006/2007 onwards). No matter how you look at it, they had a major role in the franchise's fate: they either failed to properly assess serious conditions (Oden, Roy), they couldn't properly manage them, or both. Their recent track record isn't much better, given Zach Collins' case (he regains his health as soon as he's treated by a different staff and leaves the franchise), and also Gary Payton II (misdiagnosed and forced to play through an injury requiring significant time off). The US is probably the Mecca of sports medicine, and mismanaging their stars can cost a franchise (valued at a few billion dollars) hundreds of millions of dollars or more. If I'm Portland's FO, I put together a short list of the 5 most reputable professionals in the area, and write a blank check. Pay whatever is necessary, it'll be worth it.

This is pretty much what I mean. I assume they don't have the same medical staff they had 10+ years ago, but they still seem to be making similar mistakes and mismanaging treatments and misdiagnosing injuries/conditions. Is Portland just being cheap and not paying for the top, top medical staff, or is it simply just bad luck? I don't know what it is, but it still appears to be going on. I forgot about the Gary Payton II situation as well (I do remember seeing it mentioned earlier in the season after he was traded back to the Warriors), so that is yet another recent screw up on their part. They can't be this incompetent, can they? It must just be bad luck as they would surely have a good credentialed medical staff by now, wouldn't they? It's amazing to me that this seems to keep happening more often that not for them.

[Atl Spur]

Shut up faggot. How’s that for humble?

Wow! Poor you. I’m done… don’t want you to totally lose your shit on a message board.

[TimDunkem]

^Yes because you totally didn't lose your shit responding to everyone who doubted one of your takes - which are typically nothing more than homer, FO slurping drivel. Congrats. The sun shined on your dog ass for once. :lol

[TimDunkem]

Can you take it like you can dish it, boy? Here's for you to own up to yet another terrible take... :wakeup

Congrats. You finally got something right. It's a big day for you. :toast

[Atl Spur]

^Yes because you totally didn't lose your shit responding to everyone who doubted one of your takes - which are typically nothing more than homer, FO slurping drivel. Congrats. The sun shined on your dog ass for once. :lol

Are my takes that simple……let’s pull some shall we? You are not smart nor witty so stay in your place:)

[couchman]

I love going back and seeing how totally wrong the OP was.
I get it, we all have bad takes sometimes, but hating on both Collins and Markkanen in the same post is high level

[GAustex]

Are my takes that simple……let’s pull some shall we? You are not smart nor witty so stay in your place:)
Miss Cleo!
You bitch taint PATFO taint licker
Tell of the future
Tell us again of your boy Primo the pervert
And Langford too
Tell us you seer you bitch you

[Atl Spur]

I love going back and seeing how totally wrong the OP was.
I get it, we all have bad takes sometimes, but hating on both Collins and Markkanen in the same post is high level

Respect! Everyone gets it wrong ……. But dickface can’t bring himself to admit it!

[spurraider21]

I love going back and seeing how totally wrong the OP was.
I get it, we all have bad takes sometimes, but hating on both Collins and Markkanen in the same post is high level
part of the frustration was at that time, we still had DeJounte/White and the thought was we'd be trying to build a team with them in mind. john collins was on most people's wish list, and instead we grabbed a broken center who wouldnt be able to contribute that year on a relatively rich deal given his production to date + injury history. but a big part of why the spurs brought along zollins was that they got him on a 3 year deal with little guarantees, such that they knew they were playing the long game with him. its paid off, especially when factoring in that we blew it up following that offseason

[Leetonidas]

^Yes because you totally didn't lose your shit responding to everyone who doubted one of your takes - which are typically nothing more than homer, FO slurping drivel. Congrats. The sun shined on your dog ass for once. :lol

:lol good times

[JPB]

Lol entertaining to read the first 10 pages

Not so much the last ones.

[exstatic]

part of the frustration was at that time, we still had DeJounte/White and the thought was we'd be trying to build a team with them in mind. john collins was on most people's wish list, and instead we grabbed a broken center who wouldnt be able to contribute that year on a relatively rich deal given his production to date + injury history. but a big part of why the spurs brought along zollins was that they got him on a 3 year deal with little guarantees, such that they knew they were playing the long game with him. its paid off, especially when factoring in that we blew it up following that offseason

$7M a year isn’t and hasn’t been a rich deal in a decade.

[Atl Spur]

Zach out here serving Crowe:) Two bad feet and all….

[Atl Spur]

$7M a year isn’t and hasn’t been a rich deal in a decade.

Everyone with a brain knew this was low risk high reward situation. Only a few “smart” guys over analyzed the move as usual.

[The Truth #6]

The fact that Zollins has been a success lately is probably just statistical luck combined with not being around the Portland medical staff. I’m happy he’s doing well recently, in part from Yak leaving to give more opportunity and also a tank season where he isn’t having to play huge minutes.

Nobody wanted him and we could have had him even cheaper. That’s still true.

But happy for him. Nothing against him. But the direction this thread has turned seems kind of silly.

[spurraider21]

$7M a year isn’t and hasn’t been a rich deal in a decade.
its all relative for a player of his caliber/condition coming to be a reserve for jak, it was.

[exstatic]

its all relative for a player of his caliber/condition coming to be a reserve for jak, it was.

He was a lottery pick center. That $7M was what he would have made that year, if not injured. Portland didn't want to let him go, but they were in a tax crunch.

The reality is that they might have gotten him cheaper, but squeezing people like that on salary sows resentment. If we had offered him, say, $4M/yr, there would be no way he would come back on any kind of friendly deal. By offering him his QO over multiple years, plus protecting ourselves with the 50% guarantee, everyone wins and everyone is happy going forward.

[spurraider21]

He was a lottery pick center. That $7M was what he would have made that year, if not injured. Portland didn't want to let him go, but they were in a tax crunch.

The reality is that they might have gotten him cheaper, but squeezing people like that on salary sows resentment. If we had offered him, say, $4M/yr, there would be no way he would come back on any kind of friendly deal. By offering him his QO over multiple years, plus protecting ourselves with the 50% guarantee, everyone wins and everyone is happy going forward.
there are a lot of former lottery picks who dont play well and get injured and then dont get paid that well while still hurt

[Atl Spur]

The fact that Zollins has been a success lately is probably just statistical luck combined with not being around the Portland medical staff. I’m happy he’s doing well recently, in part from Yak leaving to give more opportunity and also a tank season where he isn’t having to play huge minutes.

Nobody wanted him and we could have had him even cheaper. That’s still true.

But happy for him. Nothing against him. But the direction this thread has turned seems kind of silly.
Dudes just be making things up on this board…….
No one wanted him? You know this how? I believed then he was a lotto ticket like signing; 7 million was nothing to hand wring over in nba terms.

[Atl Spur]

https://ripcityproject.com/2021/08/01/portland-trail-blazers-zach-collins-10/amp/

[DPG21920]

I’ll say, and I have said before, Wright has earned my trust. There was a time where IMO it was warranted to question the FO. They were pretty terrible in a lot of ways. But the big lesson I learned via deals like Zach and other types of moves? It’s not just about missing out on things that should upset you and be ONLY focus. For all their major issues I had with the FO this journey last 5 years or so, they never made “THE BIG” mistake.

There’s something to be said for that. It’s one thing to think they should be more decisive or that they should have made moves and could have done better. Thats still all true. But as long as you dont make the “big” mistakes? Nothing cant be undone even if its not on timeline you hoped.

So lesson there for me personally.

[Ariel]

But the big lesson I learned via deals like Zach and other types of moves? It’s not just about missing out on things that should upset you and be ONLY focus. For all their major issues I had with the FO this journey last 5 years or so, they never made “THE BIG” mistake.

There’s something to be said for that. It’s one thing to think they should be more decisive or that they should have made moves and could have done better. Thats still all true. But as long as you dont make the “big” mistakes? Nothing cant be undone even if its not on timeline you hoped.

So lesson there for me personally.
It's a matter of perspective. I'd argue that riding the corpse of what used to be a winning horse for as long as they did actually IS a big mistake. After all, whether actively or passively, mistakes equate to time lost, and the Spurs could have easily started the process 4 years earlier had they embraced their new reality (post Leonard) instead of pretending nothing had changed and the same formula that worked before could apply in radically different circumstances. I will agree though that pretty much every move in the past year and a half has been good to excellent... but one thing doesn't exclude the other.

[DPG21920]

It's a matter of perspective. I'd argue that riding the corpse of what used to be a winning horse for as long as they did actually IS a big mistake. After all, whether actively or passively, mistakes equate to time lost, and the Spurs could have easily started the process 4 years earlier had they embraced their new reality (post Leonard) instead of pretending nothing had changed and the same formula that worked before could apply in radically different circumstances. I will agree though that pretty much every move in the past year and a half has been good to excellent... but one thing doesn't exclude the other.

Wont say it excludes it; they were valid and fair criticisms at the time. Just saying it’s not end of world big picture.

[offset formation]

How true the bold turned out lol…I was good with Zach once contract details came out. But Im legit shocked at how productive hes been. Far exceeded the potential upside I thought may exist

His much larger offensive upside and ability to extend the floor for himself and others makes him a net positive over Poeltl. Plus he brings a nasty that Poeltl never did. For me it was a no Brainerd to increase his minutes by trading Poeltl and simultaneously saving cap space by not extending Poeltl at $15-18 million.

[JPB]

It's a matter of perspective. I'd argue that riding the corpse of what used to be a winning horse for as long as they did actually IS a big mistake. After all, whether actively or passively, mistakes equate to time lost, and the Spurs could have easily started the process 4 years earlier had they embraced their new reality (post Leonard) instead of pretending nothing had changed and the same formula that worked before could apply in radically different circumstances. I will agree though that pretty much every move in the past year and a half has been good to excellent... but one thing doesn't exclude the other.

In a vacuum maybe but it was "psychologically" hard for everyone, fans included, to brutally go from the gold standard of the NBA for 20 years to the trash. Too big of an abyss and like it was needing a time of transition then acceptation, not to waste and brutally erase all these years of glory.

[The Truth #6]

Dudes just be making things up on this board…….
No one wanted him? You know this how? I believed then he was a lotto ticket like signing; 7 million was nothing to hand wring over in nba terms.

No one wanted him at that price is more accurate. That’s a good article you posted and I will admit I didn’t know of three other teams. My bad. But the article also suggests minimum salary or up to $5 million/year is what to expect. So, the truth ended up being somewhere in the middle: other teams were likely interested but we outbid. Regardless, I still think this thread is taking a weird direction. Signing him was a roll of the dice. We thankfully got lucky. I think it’s more about the hard work of our rehab staff than any genius move, but that doesn’t mean I dislike Wright, in fact, I think he’s doing a pretty good job.

[Atl Spur]

No one wanted him at that price is more accurate. That’s a good article you posted and I will admit I didn’t know of three other teams. My bad. But the article also suggests minimum salary or up to $5 million/year is what to expect. So, the truth ended up being somewhere in the middle: other teams were likely interested but we outbid. Regardless, I still think this thread is taking a weird direction. Signing him was a roll of the dice. We thankfully got lucky. I think it’s more about the hard work of our rehab staff than any genius move, but that doesn’t mean I dislike Wright, in fact, I think he’s doing a pretty good job.

Cool. I was just speaking to debunk a narrative here on spurs talk:) I believe his option was was 7 million or so ( Portland didn’t pick it up of course). I actually liked him in college but we were way to good back then to have a shot at him. Be easy champ!

[exstatic]

No one wanted him at that price is more accurate. That’s a good article you posted and I will admit I didn’t know of three other teams. My bad. But the article also suggests minimum salary or up to $5 million/year is what to expect. So, the truth ended up being somewhere in the middle: other teams were likely interested but we outbid. Regardless, I still think this thread is taking a weird direction. Signing him was a roll of the dice. We thankfully got lucky. I think it’s more about the hard work of our rehab staff than any genius move, but that doesn’t mean I dislike Wright, in fact, I think he’s doing a pretty good job.

If he had busted out or not healed, the three year cost would have been about $3.5M/yr. Creative financing, FTW.

[Sugus]

Congrats. You finally got something right. It's a big day for you. :toast

It's about you getting it confidently wrong, once again, more than me being right in this case. I could care less about "getting my flowers", but I wouldn't pass the chance to remind you of your terrible takes.

And :lol at "finally", care to dig up the Poeltl threads? Or pretty much anything you've said regarding Mr Wrong and the rebuilding Spurs. Lotta shit have you flung, little has it stuck. But the wall's all dirty... :nope

[Atl Spur]

It's about you getting it confidently wrong, once again, more than me being right in this case. I could care less about "getting my flowers", but I wouldn't pass the chance to remind you of your terrible takes.

And :lol at "finally", care to dig up the Poeltl threads? Or pretty much anything you've said regarding Mr Wrong and the rebuilding Spurs. Lotta shit have you flung, little has it stuck. But the wall's all dirty... :nope

Damn……… I just heard “Finish Him”! He’s not going to post here anymore if you keep this up!!! Lol

[RC_Drunkford]

he is what he is on defense. hes just ok. not an imposing presence, but mobile enough to have some impact that way. and he's ok on the boards. biggest area of emphasis for him on defense is just avoiding dumb fouls. over the course of the season, his fouls/36 is the highest of his career (over 5). tho in 7 games in march, despite averaging over 29 minutes per game, hes only been committing 2.7 fouls per game. thats the lowest of any monthly average this year, despite by far being the most minutes per game

yeah he has always been foul prone. I hope he can still improve when it comes to protecting the rim though

[J_Paco]

The fact that Zollins has been a success lately is probably just statistical luck combined with not being around the Portland medical staff. I’m happy he’s doing well recently, in part from Yak leaving to give more opportunity and also a tank season where he isn’t having to play huge minutes.

Nobody wanted him and we could have had him even cheaper. That’s still true.

But happy for him. Nothing against him. But the direction this thread has turned seems kind of silly.

How are both things "true" if neither is actually what happened. Yes, he is/was a bit of a reclamation project but he had shown enough flashes that it garnered him a $7 million per year deal.

The questions with Zach were if he could remain healthy (check, so far) and how much athleticism had he lost from all the lower-body procedures (check, not a lot).

He's never gonna live up to his 10th pick, but he's shown that he can play well when healthy.

(Side-note: His antics aren't as severe or reckless, but he reminds me of a poor man's Bill Laimbeer. He's a real irritant on the basketball court and playing against him with Sochan must be a bit annoying.)

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Obviously was worth the risk. And $22MM over three years isn't a huge gamble in today's NBA.

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFVUToe3TiU&t=15s

[offset formation]

How are both things "true" if neither is actually what happened. Yes, he is/was a bit of a reclamation project but he had shown enough flashes that it garnered him a $7 million per year deal.

The questions with Zach were if he could remain healthy (check, so far) and how much athleticism had he lost from all the lower-body procedures (check, not a lot).

He's never gonna live up to his 10th pick, but he's shown that he can play well when healthy.

(Side-note: His antics aren't as severe or reckless, but he reminds me of a poor man's Bill Laimbeer. He's a real irritant on the basketball court and playing against him with Sochan must be a bit annoying.)

Haha. Good point about Zollins and Sochan. Annoying indeed. But evidently not much harder to score on than air.

[scott]

Bumped for anyone who wants to go back for receipts on this one.

[scott]

Only through the first few pages, but looks like CGD and baseline bum (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=131) were the first few who didn't immediately slit their wrists on signing day

[Atl Spur]

This is a classic! Enjoy…. A great read to say the least! Hi mugen…. a spurs talk treasure, the epitome of an intelligent contributor (how do I blue this ? ) Clown…..go paint your face

[Mr. Body]

I would say he's more than living up to being a #10 pick. I don't believe i was down on the signing, would need to dig around, I just never thought he'd be what we're seeing now. Like I've been posting, I think he's potentially the 2nd best player on the roster right now. Not that it really matters.

[scott]

People in this thread legit through Gorgui Dieng would have been a better signing :lol

[scott]

I don't really get it, but no reason to shoot your dicks off. Go jack or to John Collins porn and chill out. What a bunch of fucking losers.

This is a classic Mr. Body post but was the proper way to view the signing at the time.

[scott]

This is a really good signing and I have no idea why anybody is bitching about it. We need a rebuild and that’s going to take 3 years. Pop isn’t going anywhere as a coach (apparently I was wrong on that one) and so that means we are tanking even if we don’t want to tank :lol

So by signing these shitty players that only reinforced the TANK. I rather have these POS than the Real Collins at this point. Initially I wanted JCollins but he fixes zero issues. Our issue is that we have no A level talent. Our best player is a B- player in White. How do we get A level talent? You get lucky as hell and draft it. So yeah we are gonna suck and these signings suck and ZCollins won’t help in any way shape or form. But at this point, we need as many lottery picks as possible to get out man. Meanwhile this shitty ass no foot Collins is perfect for us. Locks up money on a player that won’t help and ensures we suck bad.

Btw everyone here was saying no way are we near a Sacramento Kings position and our front office is so much better and blah blah blah. Now they realize that ol Kobe’s Achilles was right on the money and we are a waaaays away from making the playoffs. At the soonest 3 years away apparently:lol.

Early wisdom

[poopbox]

1st 3 pages are absolute gold :lmao

[scott]

If Zach can resume potentially playing in December then this was a great signing! I’m skeptical but minus the injuries he would have been a hot commodity this free agency

Tack another to the list of folks who saw potential early.

I'm only bumping the folks who didn't see the sky falling, because everyone else was on suicide watch.

[spurraider21]

im always glad to be wrong in positions like this, but its not like the concerns over collins were without merit

everything is easier to assess two years after the fact

[scott]

pretty expensive way to give Derrick White a rehab buddy tbh

This one wins for funniest post that didn't involve self harm

[Atl Spur]

Scott stop being mean!

[Atl Spur]

On second thought, please continue��

[scott]

I'd say they're somewhat similar. Collins is taller, longer and has a natural feel for the game. Samanic is more athletic in all areas (pre-injuries, Collins was maybe tied with him quickness-wise) and has more upside in terms of perimeter skills (passing, dribbling, playmaking). Basically, Collins is Samanic but with a much higher floor (if healthy, at worst he's a mobile big with just enough offensive game to be playable; Samanic isn't an NBA player at his lower outcomes) but a lower ceiling (Samanic is unlikely to reach his ceiling but it's sky high).

The best way to think of a great Collins outcome if he's healthy is that he becomes a skinnier, weaker Poeltl with a jumper and more fluidity on offense but not as good of defensive instincts.

I'd say this has been met, and then some.

[scott]

In typical ST fashion, two highly respected minds are in this thread talking about how Drew Eubanks is better player than Zach and "it's not close."

Reminds me of when people on this site wanted to trade DJM PLUS a bunch of picks for Ben Simmons.

This board can be awfully myopic sometimes.

[spurraider21]

In typical ST fashion, two highly respected minds are in this thread talking about how Drew Eubanks is better player than Zach and "it's not close."

Reminds me of when people on this site wanted to trade DJM PLUS a bunch of picks for Ben Simmons.

This board can be awfully myopic sometimes.
through the 20-21 season, simmons was an all star for 3 consecutive years having made 2 all defensive first teams at 25 yo

dont think anybody predicted how his next 2 seasons would go. its very easy to play the hindsight 20/20 game

people's reason for disliking collins wasnt that he was just a bum without skill. his injury history was the dominant factor

[scott]

through the 20-21 season, simmons was an all star for 3 consecutive years having made 2 all defensive first teams at 25 yo

dont think anybody predicted how his next 2 seasons would go. its very easy to play the hindsight 20/20 game

people's reason for disliking collins wasnt that he was just a bum without skill. his injury history was the dominant factor

When this board was theorizing a Simmons trade, he already had shown he was unplayable in crunch time and was estranged from Philly. Meanwhile, DJM was a player on the rise. You can go back to that thread and find a handful of folks like myself who flat out said DJM was a better player than Ben at that point.

To the bolded point above, read this thread. Some people's main concern was the injury history, but A LOT of folks here through he was just a shitty basketball player. There is a multi-page conversation about how Drew Eubanks is a better player than Zach :lol

[Chinook]

Funny thing is that I was okay on the McDermott deal and much more annoyed on this deal. It wasn't pretty that first season, but last year made up for it.

[Chinook]

What a crazy world that I'd go from bitching about this previous contract to fighting with folks on RGM that this extension isn't a bad deal.

[CGD]

I’ll own it: I like this signing. It’s worth the gamble, plus in all likelihood these are the type of deals we’d been left with anyway. It’s a shitty crop this summer. People just pissed it’s happening st 12:01 again.

His deal will start in the 6M range, and we’ll see what year 3 protections there are. Spurs still have moved to make.

Still owning it

[spurraider21]

What a crazy world that I'd go from bitching about this previous contract to fighting with folks on RGM that this extension isn't a bad deal.
ive never really frequented rgm, but basically doin that on reddit lol

[Atl Spur]

What a crazy world that I'd go from bitching about this previous contract to fighting with folks on RGM that this extension isn't a bad deal.

Lol

[scott]

The last thing I'll add here (and great to see folks own up to their past opinions in a healthy, light hearted way):

This thread is also a great example of how quickly rosters turnover in this league and things change. Some of the discussion about various rosters in the league are unrecognizable now.

I might do a stat-based thread on Spurs roster turnover, just for fun.

[Mr. Body]

What a crazy world that I'd go from bitching about this previous contract to fighting with folks on RGM that this extension isn't a bad deal.

I don't think league fans really know what the Spurs have. To be honest Zach just looked like a decent hotheaded backup before his injury and no one paid attention last year. They don't realize how good he is.

[Sugus]

I need a spin from the Sniff Crew asap tbh.

Literally the stupidest fucking FO in the league setting them back years and years :lmao

God damn, how glad am I that the Spurs have improved past these retarded comments.

Great thread, and it's not just hindsight. It was a good signing at the time, you just had to not have your head stuck up your ass to see it.

[Sugus]

Inb4 Sugus, Dex, Dejounte, and Mr.Old Body tell us how we're contenders, and anyone poo-pooing this are spoiled fake fans. :lmao

Where the fuck did this idiot go off and die to? :lol

Him and G:lolmbit been MIA for a while now.... :rollin

[Leetonidas]

Low risk high reward move but probably an overpay

High reward :tu

[Chinook]

It was a good deal knowing the Spurs didn't think their roster had any chance to win as constructed. They could totally afford to take a gamble on Collins and the time to let him grow. McDermott is a weirder signing with that logic. He made sense to help develop Murray and White, but it turns out both would be gone within a year anyway. I guess you can see some of Doug's presence Vassell, so maybe it makes sense? But it still feels like that off-season the Spurs didn't know if they could rebuild organically or if they'd have to tear down completely. I think a lot of folks either wanted them to tear down or double down (I was in the second camp), so most of us were a bit disheartened by the middle-road signings.

[Dejounte]

through the 20-21 season, simmons was an all star for 3 consecutive years having made 2 all defensive first teams at 25 yo

dont think anybody predicted how his next 2 seasons would go. its very easy to play the hindsight 20/20 game

people's reason for disliking collins wasnt that he was just a bum without skill. his injury history was the dominant factor

You can’t counter every bad take with “well we have hindsight now and the concerns were valid”. I don’t know… maybe it’s possible to make less bad predictions by shaping the way we think going forward and it prooooobably starts with owning up to the things we say.

[Mr. Body]

It was a good deal knowing the Spurs didn't think their roster had any chance to win as constructed. They could totally afford to take a gamble on Collins and the time to let him grow. McDermott is a weirder signing with that logic. He made sense to help develop Murray and White, but it turns out both would be gone within a year anyway. I guess you can see some of Doug's presence Vassell, so maybe it makes sense? But it still feels like that off-season the Spurs didn't know if they could rebuild organically or if they'd have to tear down completely. I think a lot of folks either wanted them to tear down or double down (I was in the second camp), so most of us were a bit disheartened by the middle-road signings.

My feeling was that we were paying Collins to rehab and he'd move on somewhere else. The money itself didn't seem like a big deal. McDermott - wasn't this the time when we went hardcore trying to get shooters? Like drafting Wieskamp. We were so poor outside we were desperate to get guys who could stretch the floor.

[EricB]

Hmm lotta L’s taken in this thread

[spurraider21]

You can’t counter every bad take with “well we have hindsight now and the concerns were valid”. I don’t know… maybe it’s possible to make less bad predictions by shaping the way we think going forward and it prooooobably starts with owning up to the things we say.
Big men with multiple foot injuries don’t usually come back the way Zollins has, particularly bigs who are coveted specifically for mobility.

also can’t really predict a guy going through a mental episode like simmons did

But it’s very easy to just be a homer and approve every move then call everyone else dumb when a questionable move pans out

[spurraider21]

God damn, how glad am I that the Spurs have improved past these retarded comments.

Great thread, and it's not just hindsight. It was a good signing at the time, you just had to not have your head stuck up your ass to see it.
Your initial reaction was “I’m in danger”

Where's the "chuckles I'm in danger" image when you need it

Petrini reporting the Spurs are left with enough capspace to offer the other Collins a Max........

[Chinook]

It's amazing how seriously some people take this board. We all get stuff wrong. Some of us are aggressively, consistently wrong. What does it matter? We're all just here to shoot the shit. But some folks seem to have a need to be popular and have to keep track of all their good and bad takes. What's the result? If poster A is wrong all the time, what's going to happen? Are they going to get banned or pinked? If Poster B has top-flight takes, do they get a cash bonus? Don't get me wrong, just like shooting the shit, sometimes it's relevant to bring up a person's previous takes. But some folks just seem obsessed with massaging their reputation via attempting to control their history.

[baseline bum]

Only through the first few pages, but looks like CGD and baseline bum (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=131) were the first few who didn't immediately slit their wrists on signing day

LOL no, I wanted the other Collins and hated this signing. Thank god I'm not the fucking GM. This team would have moved to Anaheim already or something. :lol


Fuck me, I thought this was a troll thread when I opened it. Brian Wrong really is the 2021 David Khan. Alfredrik Hughes Era Redux it is.

[Mugen]

God damn, how glad am I that the Spurs have improved past these retarded comments.

Great thread, and it's not just hindsight. It was a good signing at the time, you just had to not have your head stuck up your ass to see it.

:lol Sniff Crew going HAM because their beloved PATFO got lucky AF landing Wemby

[Atl Spur]

It's amazing how seriously some people take this board. We all get stuff wrong. Some of us are aggressively, consistently wrong. What does it matter? We're all just here to shoot the shit. But some folks seem to have a need to be popular and have to keep track of all their good and bad takes. What's the result? If poster A is wrong all the time, what's going to happen? Are they going to get banned or pinked? If Poster B has top-flight takes, do they get a cash bonus? Don't get me wrong, just like shooting the shit, sometimes it's relevant to bring up a person's previous takes. But some folks just seem obsessed with massaging their reputation via attempting to control their history.

Not buying this point of view; humility takes a person a long way and shapes the way you treat others. Everyone has to own their shit…period! (At least in my world)

[Atl Spur]

:lol Sniff Crew going HAM because their beloved PATFO got lucky AF landing Wemby

Stop deflecting; own your L. You say plenty of dumb shit but this time you tried to play with the Bear ( fuck around and you might get mauled )!

[Atl Spur]

I shall call you muttgen moving forward :) Mugen with the tits.

[Atl Spur]

The last thing I'll add here (and great to see folks own up to their past opinions in a healthy, light hearted way):

This thread is also a great example of how quickly rosters turnover in this league and things change. Some of the discussion about various rosters in the league are unrecognizable now.

I might do a stat-based thread on Spurs roster turnover, just for fun.

Well said

[Chinook]

Not buying this point of view; humility takes a person a long way and shapes the way you treat others. Everyone has to own their shit…period! (At least in my world)

Patting yourself on the back when you're right and ghosting when you're wrong is the opposite of humility and what I was talking about. I used to make a thread every year where we'd all self-report our worst take from the previous season. It might be a bit too late to do it this year, though the regular season hasn't started.

[TD 21]

It's amazing how seriously some people take this board. We all get stuff wrong. Some of us are aggressively, consistently wrong. What does it matter? We're all just here to shoot the shit. But some folks seem to have a need to be popular and have to keep track of all their good and bad takes. What's the result? If poster A is wrong all the time, what's going to happen? Are they going to get banned or pinked? If Poster B has top-flight takes, do they get a cash bonus? Don't get me wrong, just like shooting the shit, sometimes it's relevant to bring up a person's previous takes. But some folks just seem obsessed with massaging their reputation via attempting to control their history.

The irony/hypocrisy of this coming from a guy who regularly gives dissertations.

[Chinook]

The irony/hypocrisy of this coming from a guy who regularly gives dissertations.

I'm sure you can dig up a bunch of posts of you telling me that to show us how right you are.

[scott]

LOL no, I wanted the other Collins and hated this signing. Thank god I'm not the fucking GM. This team would have moved to Anaheim already or something. :lol

You did follow it up with this though


If he can stay healthy this is definitely worth a flier. We’re rebuilding. He's insanely underrated. He lead the entire NBA in DFG% at the rim 2/3 years he played while also being extremely mobile and switchable. Plus his shot isn't broken. He's a fantastic role player 3 and D center if he can just stay on the court. The Spurs spent $21M on Carroll recently just to cut him halfway through the season so $22M for Collins isn’t too bad. he is a lotto pick and he getting paid chump change its low risk high reward so i like it. and for crying out loud yall always complain and shit. Y'all are tripping man I'm hyped for Zach Collins fuck tanking. Ayyyyyyy. We on the win culture train baby!!!!! If y’all wanna watch some bullshit tanking, tune into those booboo ass teams with 0 championships.

[TD 21]

I'm sure you can dig up a bunch of posts of you telling me that to show us how right you are.

It's either that or regurgitate the same things, but thanks for telling me what my motive was.

[Chinook]

It's either that or regurgitate the same things, but thanks for telling me what my motive was.

You're welcome. Thanks for being our resident tsundere for 14 years now.

[TD 21]

You're welcome. Thanks for being our resident tsundere for 14 years now.

I thought I cared too much about reputation, now I don't at all. Which one is it?

In addition to telling others how to comport themselves, maybe you can answer that one for me too.

[scott]

Of all the folks who were massively wrong on this signing, Chinook wins for being the most readily willing to own up to it (and be happy he was wrong). I'm going to will into existence the idea that Mr. Chinook is just bad at evaluating bigs, and will be equally as wrong about Bassey :)

[Chinook]

I thought I cared too much about reputation, now I don't at all. Which one is it?

Asked and answered. The whole thing with tsunderes is that they act like they don't care when they do. That's how you get "I'm not here to be popular" combined with a post of all the times you were right on a topic. What makes it funnier is that that list of posts is from this off-season when we all thought Collins should get an extension but had been under the impression the max starting salary was going to be too low for him.

Like for example, in response to the first post you quoted, I said this:


Collins: I don't think they'll be anything "stealth" about this extension offer. I haven't heard what the MLE will be at, but it should be pretty close to the 40-percent bump anyway, so I could totally see them wanting to lock him down for that amount. Unless they trade him during the draft, getting him on a longer deal is just good practice. His stats are better than his performance in my mind.

So by that time, it wasn't even a clever call or a risk. I and a few others wanted a different kind of center. We'll see how that goes, though I hope Collins is the guy. But you tooting your horn about him getting an extension when even when you started saying that the answer was "duh" is funny.

[Mugen]

Stop deflecting; own your L. You say plenty of dumb shit but this time you tried to play with the Bear ( fuck around and you might get mauled )!

Zollins getting an extension might be the highlight of your year considering how far below the poverty line you're living. I'm happy that Zollins stayed healthy and has played well enough to get a new deal. Maybe some of that money will trickle down to you, poor guy :lol

[TD 21]

Asked and answered. The whole thing with tsunderes is that they act like they don't care when they do. That's how you get "I'm not here to be popular" combined with a post of all the times you were right on a topic. What makes it funnier is that that list of posts is from this off-season when we all thought Collins should get an extension but had been under the impression the max starting salary was going to be too low for him.

Like for example, in response to the first post you quoted, I said this:



So by that time, it wasn't even a clever call or a risk. I and a few others wanted a different kind of center. We'll see how that goes, though I hope Collins is the guy. But you tooting your horn about him getting an extension when even when you started saying that the answer was "duh" is funny.

So once again telling me what my motive is. I wasn't tooting my horn (and the duh was my perception that it should be a no brainer, not that it was a consensus), I was recapping my many thoughts on him and the position on the Spurs in general.

I'm not here to be popular, unpopular or anything in between. I'm just being me (blunt) and calling it like I see it.

"Our", "we", etc. don't worry, your groupthink "buddies" should be here in no time to back you up. But I wouldn't expect anything less from a guy too cowardly too name names on a message board.

[daslicer]

He's a great enforcer definitely will be worth it when guys try to play dirty against Wemby.

[Chinook]

So once again telling me what my motive is. I wasn't tooting my horn (and the duh was my perception that it should be a no brainer, not that it was a consensus), I was recapping my many thoughts on him and the position on the Spurs in general.

So you didn't say a motive there. You just said what you did. You could do that recap in order to try to gain clout, or to try to call aliens to abduct you, to awaken Cthullu, etc. You're right that only you know your motivations for sure, but it does feel like you were keen to take my comment to be about you rather than the behavior in the thread that was explicitly as I had described. Don't get me wrong, I was ribbing you a bit with the comment too, but you didn't need to identify with the "receipts crowd" and shouldn't've if you were merely musing on the nature of post history or whatever.

It's not a big deal, man. That was the whole point of the post that's gotten you in a tizzy. Maybe when I was younger, I cared about ST in that kind of way. But I don't have time to be playing cowboys and indians on a message board anymore. I'm not worried about friends and enemies -- just folks who bounce ideas off to talk to. You're actually one of the more dynamic people on this board. It just comes with a certain level of defensiveness that's sometimes fun to poke at and other times annoying to cut through.

[KobesAchilles]

I look pretty fucking prophetic in this thread. It was a good signing, we tanked with Collins (when everyone said we wouldn’t), and we got lucky af and drafted Wemby.

[Atl Spur]

Zollins getting an extension might be the highlight of your year considering how far below the poverty line you're living. I'm happy that Zollins stayed healthy and has played well enough to get a new deal. Maybe some of that money will trickle down to you, poor guy :lol

Oh yeah! This is what I was baiting you in to :) the old I got or make more money than you do argument!! Lol. Want to make a bet on that? I’m going to embarrass you clown but you brought it on yourself bum. Don’t let your ego get you totally humiliated. JS

[Russ]

Collins, Sochan and Wemby -- that could be a comfortable core of front line guys who actually like each other.

Then you got Branham, Vassell and KJ.

Just fill in and win.

[TD 21]

So you didn't say a motive there. You just said what you did. You could do that recap in order to try to gain clout, or to try to call aliens to abduct you, to awaken Cthullu, etc. You're right that only you know your motivations for sure, but it does feel like you were keen to take my comment to be about you rather than the behavior in the thread that was explicitly as I had described. Don't get me wrong, I was ribbing you a bit with the comment too, but you didn't need to identify with the "receipts crowd" and shouldn't've if you were merely musing on the nature of post history or whatever.

It's not a big deal, man. That was the whole point of the post that's gotten you in a tizzy. Maybe when I was younger, I cared about ST in that kind of way. But I don't have time to be playing cowboys and indians on a message board anymore. I'm not worried about friends and enemies -- just folks who bounce ideas off to talk to. You're actually one of the more dynamic people on this board. It just comes with a certain level of defensiveness that's sometimes fun to poke at and other times annoying to cut through.

For some reason, I always liked when you started off a sentence with "So".

I'm not in a tizzy, it seems you are though. Despite the perception, I never am. Speaking of which, what kind of an idiot do you take me for, if you don't realize that I didn't know the perception would be that I was "tooting my own horn"? That goes back to my saying I don't care.

I type a lot in my job, so sometimes (as you've probably seen) I will copy and paste old comments rather than re-type them, particularly if I'm going to be long winded.

[Sugus]

Your initial reaction was “I’m in danger”

Oops, I thought I went all the way back on that quote... Tbh, I would've liked it a lot more with a max to the other Collins as well. Now it's moot since we have Wemby, but I'd always liked John Collins to the Spurs (at least till I learned his shooting finger is fucked irreparably). Some on the board hate him but whatever.

[Sugus]

:lol Sniff Crew going HAM because their beloved PATFO got lucky AF landing Wemby

Still on the shticks, eh? You know better than anyone how wrong you've been about the Spurs FO and they've shut you the fuck up, tbh. I stand by it, I really like that the forum's general mood has progressed past the OMG SPURS BAD LOL stage.

Optimism is great dude, feel free to join in anytime.

[Sugus]

It's amazing how seriously some people take this board. We all get stuff wrong. Some of us are aggressively, consistently wrong. What does it matter? We're all just here to shoot the shit. But some folks seem to have a need to be popular and have to keep track of all their good and bad takes. What's the result? If poster A is wrong all the time, what's going to happen? Are they going to get banned or pinked? If Poster B has top-flight takes, do they get a cash bonus? Don't get me wrong, just like shooting the shit, sometimes it's relevant to bring up a person's previous takes. But some folks just seem obsessed with massaging their reputation via attempting to control their history.

Meh, everyone likes being right and nobody likes being wrong as general human concepts, and message boards give a really fun way to track down specifically what was said, and when, to great comedic effect on quotings. I don't care for it any more than giving the shits to some posters. You're making it bigger than it is tbh.

I also write a lot on my posts, just like you, not because I'm personally invested in what I say, but because I like to be precise and thoughtful when I comment. And given that I've been personally attacked for it, and my personal views, repeatedly, are you in any way surprised that it's fun to dish it as it is to take it? You should join in ;)

Start that "worst quotes of last year" thread by all means, I haven't seen any of the previous ones and it sounds like a fun idea! I'll do a multi-year crossing and get one of my Samanic-Will-Work-Out takes on it :lol

[Leetonidas]

What a crazy world that I'd go from bitching about this previous contract to fighting with folks on RGM that this extension isn't a bad deal.

The people on the TnT forum, especially the mods, are a bunch of asshats that pretend they watch every team and just look up stats without nuance. Texas Cuck and MoneyTalks are two of the biggest tards on that forum imo. Dude thinks Zach is objectively bad but will yammer on about how Dwight Powell is actually a good player :lmao

[Chomag]

Dude is going to be the surprise player this year

[Chinook]

The people on the TnT forum, especially the mods, are a bunch of asshats that pretend they watch every team and just look up stats without nuance. Texas Cuck and MoneyTalks are two of the biggest tards on that forum imo. Dude thinks Zach is objectively bad but will yammer on about how Dwight Powell is actually a good player :lmao

Not to get political, but Chuck does have that white liberal mentality of "I'll tell you what I'm supposed to apologize for" where he thinks he's already called out and accounted for his biases. It doesn't register to him that he is extremely skeptical of Spurs players, and he takes any push-back as others being unreasonable. I'm glad they've stopped disciplining people for calling someone a homer, because it used to feel almost oppressive at times. They weren't willing to be questioned at all.

[Chinook]

For some reason, I always liked when you started off a sentence with "So".

I'm not in a tizzy, it seems you are though. Despite the perception, I never am. Speaking of which, what kind of an idiot do you take me for, if you don't realize that I didn't know the perception would be that I was "tooting my own horn"? That goes back to my saying I don't care.

I type a lot in my job, so sometimes (as you've probably seen) I will copy and paste old comments rather than re-type them, particularly if I'm going to be long winded.

Fair enough.

Or I guess I should say, "So fair enough"?

[spurraider21]

Not to get political, but
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[Atl Spur]

Someone please tell mugen he can post again….. I’ll play nice:) So sensitive…..

[spurraider21]

we got the wrong collins

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[Fizziksman]

He made bank and already trying to sit out of games

[spurraider21]

In typical ST fashion, two highly respected minds are in this thread talking about how Drew Eubanks is better player than Zach and "it's not close."

Reminds me of when people on this site wanted to trade DJM PLUS a bunch of picks for Ben Simmons.

This board can be awfully myopic sometimes.
eubanks is so good the suns tampered to get him

1717266086570185212

[scott]

Imagine tampering for fucking Drew Eubanks

Also, tampering rules are a joke

[Fizziksman]

The desperation of the Suns lol. Never recovered from the Hip Check

[Chinook]

In typical ST fashion, two highly respected minds are in this thread talking about how Drew Eubanks is better player than Zach and "it's not close."

Reminds me of when people on this site wanted to trade DJM PLUS a bunch of picks for Ben Simmons.

This board can be awfully myopic sometimes.

Thanks for trying to keep my name out of it, but yikes. I was pretty vociferous. Eubanks is actually a solid player, especially as a flier big. Collins had more gears to get to, but it's much more about how good Zach became after he got healthy than it was how Drew had stacked up to what Collins had shown thus far. It worked out for the Spurs, though.

It goes to show that being able to craft well-reasons arguments isn't the same thing as being able to read the future. ST isn't a place where we decide the fates of players or any action the organization takes. It's merely folks sitting around burping out utterances in response to the things they see. The winds will blow whatever way, no matter how many paragraphs some of us stack up trying to direct the flow.

[scott]

Thanks for trying to keep my name out of it, but yikes. I was pretty vociferous. Eubanks is actually a solid player, especially as a flier big. Collins had more gears to get to, but it's much more about how good Zach became after he got healthy than it was how Drew had stacked up to what Collins had shown thus far. It worked out for the Spurs, though.

It goes to show that being able to craft well-reasons arguments isn't the same thing as being able to read the future. ST isn't a place where we decide the fates of players or any action the organization takes. It's merely folks sitting around burping out utterances in response to the things they see. The winds will blow whatever way, no matter how many paragraphs some of us stack up trying to direct the flow.

Second paragraph is on point!

[TimDunkem]

Where the fuck did this idiot go off and die to? :lol

Him and G:lolmbit been MIA for a while now.... :rollin
I forgot you existed. :lol Rent free.

I will say Collins is quite good for the league. He's responsible for plenty of posters. Too bad he's always on the receiving end. lol

[GAustex]

He does get abused quite a bit

[Obstructed_View]

He does get abused quite a bit
He isn't a starting caliber center. That will become obvious as the season progresses.

[Atl Spur]

Lol

[ismael-robert]

Trade him for eubanks

[Atl Spur]

These takes won’t age well but then again look who’s making them.

[TimDunkem]

These takes won’t age well but then again look who’s making them.
Agreed. :lmao

[timtonymanu]

:lol OP
:lol throws shit at the wall and hope it sticks
:lol constantly wrong on his takes

[Mugen]

:lmao

[Obstructed_View]

He isn't a starting caliber center. That will become obvious as the season progresses.

[NASpurs]

Miss Cleo 0 for 40 :lol

[Mugen]

Miss Cleo 0 for 40 :lol

:lmao

[GAustex]

Miss Cleo 0 for 40 :lol

lol
Miss Cleo
Lol

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/HEB/status/1735012744028405909