Spurs needs to tank hard and target Wembanyama un 2023

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/Sportando/status/1553090808382906371

[slick'81]

https://twitter.com/Sportando/status/1553090808382906371

oh noooooooooooz

[Uriel]

I've been playing 2K with Wembanyama on the Spurs and he truly is a game changer. He has so much size and length that he can alter shots at the rim even when he gets beat by his man. And with his 7"3 frame, he can dunk the ball at the rim with only a slight jump. He's the perfect roll man or trailing big on the break.

A lineup of Wembanyama-Sochan-Johnson-Vassell-Jones was able to beat the Lakers at Staples, even when Kyrie was added to their roster.

[Rocalcio]

https://twitter.com/Sportando/status/1553090808382906371

That was expected, even without being injured he wasn’t sure to go, too young and too fragile. The fact is that he’s really often injured, this is definitely a concern for his career.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1567267975413080064

[BackHome]

Yeah I am off the Wemba fan club he just got to many Red flags and being 7'5 with his body he won't last long in the NBA.

[Rocalcio]

These games are criticized here in France, he’s clearly doing that to promote himself while his team will have started its season. Not a very good way to help the team.

[Rocalcio]

Yeah I am off the Wemba fan club he just got to many Red flags and being 7'5 with his body he won't last long in the NBA.

We’ll see that, he’s damn good for his size, dribbling like a PG.

[MultiTroll]

Expected to be off the Wemb band waggon after Chet snapped.

But that was a total retard play by Chet. Sure, could have been injured later in another NBA game. But Chet was fine all summer. Backing up, trying to make a hero block in a meaningless game vs Lebron. Really really bad judgement.

So my Q is can these super tall talented twigs be taught to limit liability to injury?
I say yes they can.
Did OKC emphasis this to Chet and rather Chet just did not apply the advice? Don't think we'll know for years when it won't to Chet and he can talk about it. Ditto OKC.

[exstatic]

Gobert was just a little smaller in dimensions when he was drafted. Utah put him in the weight room and the gleague for a bit to build him up for the NBA. He played less than 450 minutes as a rook. Gobert was worth waiting for, becoming a 4 time All NBA selection, and he didn’t have guard skills to pair with his center skills.

There will never be another Tim or David who will step in and elevate your team 35-36 games. That’s just nothappening again. Even the top picks will have a development curve. If you understand that, Wemby becomes the obvious choice. Scoot might be more NBA ready now, but I don’t see any chance of him becoming a dominant player on oth sides of the ball. Even if he doesn’t hit his ceiling, a bad outcome for Wemby is Gobert, a defensive monster with rim runner skills.

[Chomag]

If Scoot hits a growth Spirt (he's 18 so it's still very possible) I would put him ahead of Wemb.

[TD 21]

I realize Wembanyama is likely to have durability issues and may not last that long, but skilled size will always rule this sport. You don't pass it up for a small guard (even though he's long and strong enough as is to not be a physical liability defensively, it's highly unlikely he has a significant growth spurt at this point) with a shaky jumper.

[KingKev]

I realize Wembanyama is likely to have durability issues and may not last that long, but skilled size will always rule this sport. You don't pass it up for a small guard (even though he's long and strong enough as is to not be a physical liability defensively, it's highly unlikely he has a significant growth spurt at this point) with a shaky jumper.

Work on your sentence structure.

[TD 21]

Work on your sentence structure.

:lmao Playing grammar police because I put the kibosh on another terrible take of yours.

Let me guess, Collins and Kleber are both big, white guys with similar precious counting stats, so what's the difference?

[KingKev]

:lmao Playing grammar police because I put the kibosh on another terrible take of yours.

Let me guess, Collins and Kleber are both big, white guys with similar precious counting stats, so what's the difference?

I love how you make everything about race when you are clearly a middle aged asian.
Yellow M&M is so representative.

[TD 21]

I love how you make everything about race when you are clearly a middle aged asian.
Yellow M&M is so representative.

:lmao I make "everything" about calling out peoples ignorance and I'm neither middle aged nor Asian.

[tonight...you]

I love how you make everything about race when you are clearly a middle aged asian.
Yellow M&M is so representative.
Lol. You make a lot of weird assumptions.
Pretty funny!

[KingKev]

Lol. You make a lot of weird assumptions.
Pretty funny!

and you add zero to the conversation. Seldom make basketball takes.

[tonight...you]

and you add zero to the conversation. Seldom make basketball takes.
Lol. So defensive! Which is the norm for you.
No worries. Carry on.

[illusioNtEk]

Hes body type is unlike no other ever seen in the NBA... Wouldnt be suprised if injury prone.

[Rocalcio]

Gobert was just a little smaller in dimensions when he was drafted. Utah put him in the weight room and the gleague for a bit to build him up for the NBA. He played less than 450 minutes as a rook. Gobert was worth waiting for, becoming a 4 time All NBA selection, and he didn’t have guard skills to pair with his center skills.

There will never be another Tim or David who will step in and elevate your team 35-36 games. That’s just nothappening again. Even the top picks will have a development curve. If you understand that, Wemby becomes the obvious choice. Scoot might be more NBA ready now, but I don’t see any chance of him becoming a dominant player on oth sides of the ball. Even if he doesn’t hit his ceiling, a bad outcome for Wemby is Gobert, a defensive monster with rim runner skills.

The thing is Gobert wasn’t as expected as Wembanyama, so Utah could hide him during his rookie season. Victor is a phenomenon everyone is craving for, the team that will get him won’t have the luxury to keep him under the radar like that.

[exstatic]

The thing is Gobert wasn’t as expected as Wembanyama, so Utah could hide him during his rookie season. Victor is a phenomenon everyone is craving for, the team that will get him won’t have the luxury to keep him under the radar like that.

He’s going to need a year of body building and development. Any team that doesn’t do that is asking for what they get.

[KingKev]

I’m not banking on VW (I’ll be over the moon if we even get a top 5 pick this up coming draft) but the beauty of winning the VW sweepstakes as Ex alluded to is you can take your time developing him, let him grow into his body / build it up and still be a bottom of the league team. We need a solid 2-3 years of picking in the early lottery for the rebuild to gain traction.

[Dex]

He’s going to need a year of body building and development. Any team that doesn’t do that is asking for what they get.

I feel like we said the same thing about Murray and Johnson and Samanic and Primo...

I know Tim Duncans don't grow on trees....but if we are lucky enough to get a #1 pick, I'd have concerns spending it on a project even if it is one like Wemby. Sometimes projects don't pan out

[jjspur]

This is a loaded question. If Victor Wemby stays injury free, He's more than likely the #1 pick. That being said how many players and draft picks/future picks is he worth in a trade, or is he so valuable that players and picks wouldn't be enough to sway anyone ?

[XDT76]

I feel like we said the same thing about Murray and Johnson and Samanic and Primo...

I know Tim Duncans don't grow on trees....but if we are lucky enough to get a #1 pick, I'd have concerns spending it on a project even if it is one like Wemby. Sometimes projects don't pan out

Things are different now back then 4 years in college are still common. Now most are one and done thus are mostly projects.

[Brazil]

Drafting Victor will be a risk no matter what, his ceiling is simply amazing but he can end up as a bust due to his fragile constitution. Healthy he is too skilled to not be a top player imho. He needs to play for a very professional organization with a great staff thinking long term rather than short team tbh...

[rascal]

Hope the Spurs don't win the top pick.

VW will be like Chet, injury prone and too frail for the NBA.

[exstatic]

I feel like we said the same thing about Murray and Johnson and Samanic and Primo...

I know Tim Duncans don't grow on trees....but if we are lucky enough to get a #1 pick, I'd have concerns spending it on a project even if it is one like Wemby. Sometimes projects don't pan out

All draft picks theses days are to some extent a project, even number ones. There will likely never be another David or Tim that will bump you up 35,36 games that first year into a comfortable playoff spot. Shit, even LeBrons teams didn’t make the playoffs his first two seasons, and his draft was almost 20 years ago. The difference between a number one overall project, and say a number 10 overall, is that the number one pick will be a superstar in a couple of years. They just normally need weight, and to adjust to the speed and athleticism of the NBA game. That’s it. Then, they break out in year 2 or year 3, and you have your superstar.

[KingKev]

^ guy like Mobley, Barnes and Any are coming!

I’ll cream my pants if we can just get a couple of guys of their talent level in the next few drafts. From there things will fall into place but until we have a couple of guys who show real upside promise - churn and burn em. Develop and sell high. Keldon and Vassell could be next but hopefully we have a couple of potential center pieces the next few years where it makes sense to keep home grown talent.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/happypistonfan/status/1571158516211089408

[CGD]

How the hell does a human being that tall move like that, wow

[exstatic]

How the hell does a human being that tall move like that, wow

His bust out FLOOR is Gobert. His ceiling is something we have seen yet, like Gianni’s, 6” taller who can shoot.

[jjspur]

He has decent form at the free throw line. That's a huge plus.

[Rocalcio]

Please avoid injuries, I want to see what you can become.

[Ocotillo]

Ok, I'm in. I was in the "this guy is too skinny and will be forever on the injured list camp" but I am ready for the risk.

[LkrFan]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/SCt3Miv6ugvSg/giphy.gif

Red pill: you hate the Lakers. Although you know if you work with them, you can closer to your tanking treasure:
https://chumley.barstoolsports.com/union/getty/2022/09/16/GettyImages-1239284646.94dd3365.jpeg

Blue pill: you don't help the Lakers. They do a deal with Utah for Boggs (sharp shooting scoring wing Bron and AD needs) along with Beasley and Jordan Clarkson. Lakers 3pt shooting issues resolved.

This "blue pill" will cause the Lakers to whip out their purple and gold 14-incher on the NBA. :lol

Which pill will it be? :downspin:

[KingKev]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/SCt3Miv6ugvSg/giphy.gif

Red pill: you hate the Lakers. Although you know if you work with them, you can closer to your tanking treasure:
https://chumley.barstoolsports.com/union/getty/2022/09/16/GettyImages-1239284646.94dd3365.jpeg

Blue pill: you don't help the Lakers. They do a deal with Utah for Boggs (sharp shooting scoring wing Bron and AD needs) along with Beasley and Jordan Clarkson. Lakers 3pt shooting issues resolved.

This "blue pill" will cause the Lakers to whip out their purple and gold 14-incher on the NBA. :lol

Which pill will it be? :downspin:

I just railed the red one.

[LkrFan]

I just railed the red one.

:lol

[KingKev]

:lol

Lakers could probably do better away but Jak, JRich, McDermott for Russ, unprotected FRP and a pick swap with light protection and I’m popping that red one and heading to the moon.

Jak/AD/LBJ/Jrich/Schroeder or Bev would be a nice starting five and solid defensive first unit.

[Ariel]

Red pill: you hate the Lakers. Although you know if you work with them, you can closer to your tanking treasure:
Blue pill: you don't help the Lakers. They do a deal with Utah for Boggs (sharp shooting scoring wing Bron and AD needs) along with Beasley and Jordan Clarkson. Lakers 3pt shooting issues resolved.
This "blue pill" will cause the Lakers to whip out their purple and gold 14-incher on the NBA. :lol

Which pill will it be? :downspin:
Personally, I'd do anything that benefits the Spurs, irrespective of the Lakers. I think you'll still fall short when it's all said and done, and I'd rather cash in before you lose interest when Anthony Davis and/or LeBron inevitably injure themselves again. But only if the price is right. If it's giving you assets for nothing, f you.

[LkrFan]

Personally, I'd do anything that benefits the Spurs, irrespective of the Lakers. I think you'll still fall short when it's all said and done, and I'd rather cash in before you lose interest when Anthony Davis and/or LeBron inevitably injure themselves again. But only if the price is right. If it's giving you assets for nothing, f you.

:lol

Therein lies the problem. Pop is so petty that you guys could have Brandon Ingram (who is still not in his prime) but nooooo. You farmers didn't want Kiwi in Purple and G:lolld

[LkrFan]

Lakers could probably do better away but Jak, JRich, McDermott for Russ, unprotected FRP and a pick swap with light protection and I’m popping that red one and heading to the moon.

Jak/AD/LBJ/Jrich/Schroeder or Bev would be a nice starting five and solid defensive first unit.

I'd do it. But Pop won't.

[KingKev]

I'd do it. But Pop won't.

Don’t have to convince me that PATFO is damn stubborn. I probably would have been a stubborn fk too during the Leonard saga but after getting my lunch eaten and yrs of mediocrity it's time to play nice with anyone who wants to work with us.

[TD 21]

Lakers could probably do better away but Jak, JRich, McDermott for Russ, unprotected FRP and a pick swap with light protection and I’m popping that red one and heading to the moon.

Jak/AD/LBJ/Jrich/Schroeder or Bev would be a nice starting five and solid defensive first unit.

Horrible spacing though. The Lakers don't need a legit starting C (especially one who can't space the floor) next to Davis the same way the Spurs didn't either post Robinson next to Duncan, because Davis like Duncan, is going to primarily be their C when it matters most anyway, so it's best to have as much flexibility as possible to get to those lineups.

[The Truth #6]

Horrible spacing though. The Lakers don't need a legit starting C (especially one who can't space the floor) next to Davis the same way the Spurs didn't either post Robinson next to Duncan, because Davis like Duncan, is going to primarily be their C when it matters most anyway, so it's best to have as much flexibility as possible to get to those lineups.

That's a solid take re: Yak on the Lakers, but I think the simple reason they wouldn't want him is because, how to phrase it, he doesn't have a good highlight reel, meaning he isn't respected by NBA stars and part of that superficial world. Like, I'm not even sure Lebron can appreciate role players, even when he has played with them and they've helped him win championships.

[KingKev]

That's a solid take re: Yak on the Lakers, but I think the simple reason they wouldn't want him is because, how to phrase it, he doesn't have a good highlight reel, meaning he isn't respected by NBA stars and part of that superficial world. Like, I'm not even sure Lebron can appreciate role players, even when he has played with them and they've helped him win championships.

Jak could easily slip into a 25 minute backup role. He could play situationally alongside AD and LBJ seamlessly depending who else is on the floor.

[exstatic]

:lol

Therein lies the problem. Pop is so petty that you guys could have Brandon Ingram (who is still not in his prime) but nooooo. You farmers didn't want Kiwi in Purple and G:lolld

The offer was Kuzma, Hart, and a pick, which would have been late 20s. We have Keldon, Jak or whatever he brings, Malaki, and 2025 FRP and SRP from CHI. Fuck the lakers.

[The Truth #6]

Jak could easily slip into a 25 minute backup role. He could play situationally alongside AD and LBJ seamlessly depending who else is on the floor.

I think he would fit well, but my point is only that they (Lebron/AD?) wouldn't be able to see the advantage of that. Perhaps I'm overstating it, but after those two demanded Westbrook, I'm working under the assumption that they are idiots as far as imposing their GM demands on teams.

[ambchang]

Hes body type is unlike no other ever seen in the NBA... Wouldnt be suprised if injury prone.
Ralph Sampson. That didn’t end well.

[pad300]

...

Blue pill: you don't help the Lakers. They do a deal with Utah for Boggs (sharp shooting scoring wing Bron and AD needs) along with Beasley and Jordan Clarkson. Lakers 3pt shooting issues resolved.

This "blue pill" will cause the Lakers to whip out their purple and gold 14-incher on the NBA. :lol

Which pill will it be? :downspin:

Wait, wait, wait a second. You think Bogdanovich, Beasley and Clarkson means that "the Lakers to whip out their purple and gold 14-incher on the NBA"? I take it you've been taking advantage of that legalized Mary Jane down there in LA...

[LkrFan]

Wait, wait, wait a second. You think Bogdanovich, Beasley and Clarkson means that "the Lakers to whip out their purple and gold 14-incher on the NBA"? I take it you've been taking advantage of that legalized Mary Jane down there in LA...

Yes. Shooting is what the Lakers need. They have size. Their younger players are more athletic than last year's team so team speed will be better. They also now how good point of attack defenders (Pat Bev, Dennis Schroeder). All they need is shooting.

Get shooting for the Lakers then watch teams close their eyes, grab their ankles, and bite their bottom lips :rollin :lmao :rollin

[DPG21920]

Yes. Shooting is what the Lakers need. They have size. Their younger players are more athletic than last year's team so team speed will be better. They also now how good point of attack defenders (Pat Bev, Dennis Schroeder). All they need is shooting.

Get shooting for the Lakers then watch teams close their eyes, grab their ankles, and bite their bottom lips :rollin :lmao :rollin

McDermott & Josh Richardson for Westbrook and 2 firsts

[LkrFan]

McDermott & Josh Richardson for Westbrook and 2 firsts

Counter offer: Westbrick, one 1st round pick swap, and two 2nds? :)

[dbestpro]

Counter offer: Westbrick, one 1st round pick swap, and two 2nds? :)

Counter 2, Westbrick, a first round pick, 1st round pick swap, and 2 seconds.

[DPG21920]

Counter offer: Westbrick, one 1st round pick swap, and two 2nds? :)

Westbrook, 1 unprotected first and two 2nds

[LkrFan]

Westbrook, 1 unprotected first and two 2nds

Sold! I'd actually do this. Let's see what happens in the next 2 days (Bron is hosting his annual players only minicamp on 9/22). If Westbrick is there, they'll keep him until at least the trade deadline, making LkrFan very sad. :(

[LkrFan]

Counter 2, Westbrick, a first round pick, 1st round pick swap, and 2 seconds.

I could see a deal like that for a Kyrie package. But one featuring Doug McBuckets? Kick rocks! :lol

[KingKev]

Russ, 2unprotected FRPs for Jak, JRich, McD and Primo.

[LkrFan]

Russ, 2unprotected FRPs for Jak, JRich, McD and Primo.

https://c.tenor.com/h-fQB_FC578AAAAC/shannon-sharpe-shay.gif

[KingKev]

https://c.tenor.com/h-fQB_FC578AAAAC/shannon-sharpe-shay.gif

We will throw in Pop

[BatManu20]

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[Rocalcio]

With him, Gobert and potentially Embiid who just got the French nationality, France is stacked with its future frontcourt.

[Sugus]

Spurs would be wildly lucky to get him. I'm not getting my hopes up, tbh.

[TD 21]

Prediction: The league screws them out of both Wembanyama and Henderson, putting them squarely in Thompson twin range, where they select one and attempt to acquire the other.

[jjspur]

Prediction: The league screws them out of both Wembanyama and Henderson, putting them squarely in Thompson twin range, where they select one and attempt to acquire the other.

Prediction: The lakers make the playoffs but lose in the first round, then offer Anthony Davis and the 17th pick for the first pick in the draft. Yes the lakers are that arrogant.
Only a truly dumb ass team would trade the #1 pick (Wemby) for an oft injured unibrow.
Any top 4 pick in next years draft will be a good one after tanking hard this year. Unless some team offers us 5 plus draft picks and players we better be keeping the pick. The price for top draft picks only getting higher thanks to the Gobert and Mitchell trades. The players fetched a good price, but it was the multiple draft picks that really made the trades really big.

[Rocalcio]

First French championship’s day yesterday, he had 23pts and 10rbds, which is not that usual in this tournament. He’s ballin !

[FlAVaK]

First French championship’s day yesterday, he had 23pts and 10rbds, which is not that usual in this tournament. He’s ballin !

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[KingKev]

Utah, OKC, Sac or Houston are going to get a generational talent.

[Ariel]

If luck doesn't go our way, so be it. But if we mess this up, I'm going to be pissed...

[Leetonidas]

If luck doesn't go our way, so be it. But if we mess this up, I'm going to be pissed...

Scoot Henderson looks like a decent consolation prize at least

[slick'81]

Utah, OKC, Sac or Houston are going to get a generational talent.


spurs can suck just as bad as they can:lol

[Ariel]

Scoot Henderson looks like a decent consolation prize at least
Sure, but that's not what I meant. Next draft is supposed to be very good at the top, and every team that has a worse record than us costs us lottery chances. If we end up bottom 3 and we pick outside the top 4, it's bad luck. But if we win meaningless games and end up 5-7, those missed chances are on us. That's what I really would hate to see happen.

[RC_Drunkford]

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ci-gSB6DZa5/

tank til 2030

[Rocalcio]

Less impressive game for Victor last night. He got in foul trouble quickly (3 in the first half so he only played 4 minutes during it) but still finished with 10pts, 8 rebounds, 3 assists and 3 blocks in just 20 minutes.

[DAF86]

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ci-gSB6DZa5/

tank til 2030

Haha that guy's older than me. :rollin

[DAF86]

Sure, but that's not what I meant. Next draft is supposed to be very good at the top, and every team that has a worse record than us costs us lottery chances. If we end up bottom 3 and we pick outside the top 4, it's bad luck. But if we win meaningless games and end up 5-7, those missed chances are on us. That's what I really would hate to see happen.

Seriously, if there was ever a season to tank is this one. The Spurs better not fuck this up. What the fuck are Poeltl and Richardson doing still on the roster? Trade their asses now.

[rjv]

Less impressive game for Victor last night. He got in foul trouble quickly (3 in the first half so he only played 4 minutes during it) but still finished with 10pts, 8 rebounds, 3 assists and 3 blocks in just 20 minutes.

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/wembanyama-struggles-flashes-brilliance-in-home-opener

[Rocalcio]

19pts, 6rbds, 3 assists, 2 blocks and 2 steals on Friday.

[exstatic]

Sure, but that's not what I meant. Next draft is supposed to be very good at the top, and every team that has a worse record than us costs us lottery chances. If we end up bottom 3 and we pick outside the top 4, it's bad luck. But if we win meaningless games and end up 5-7, those missed chances are on us. That's what I really would hate to see happen.

#7 has jumped into the top 4 every year of the new flattened odds, and won the lottery once. FINISHING in the bottom 4, it’s basically a coin flip if you will even STAY in the top 4 picks. It’s not bad luck to drop out of the top 4, it’s pretty normal. One year 3 teams got pushed out.

[Ariel]

#7 has jumped into the top 4 every year of the new flattened odds, and won the lottery once. FINISHING in the bottom 4, it’s basically a coin flip if you will even STAY in the top 4 picks. It’s not bad luck to drop out of the top 4, it’s pretty normal. One year 3 teams got pushed out.
The difference is not so much about your chances of landing a top 4 pick (same for 1 though 3, almost for no. 4) but what happens if you don't land a top 4 pick. If you end up with the worst record, you're guaranteed to pick no lower than 5, and that's supposed to be a pretty good spot still. If you have the 7th worst record you might get lucky, but your more likely to pick 8 than you are to pick 1-4, and a statistical fluke doesn't prove otherwise.

[DaDakota]

The problem is that both of our teams have tanked to get the top pick.....Duncan, Hakeem etc...

But that was back when the worst record guaranteed the number 1 pick, now at best the worst record has a 14% chance of the top pick....not exactly guaranteeing anything.

DD

[Leetonidas]

The problem is that both of our teams have tanked to get the top pick.....Duncan, Hakeem etc...

But that was back when the worst record guaranteed the number 1 pick, now at best the worst record has a 14% chance of the top pick....not exactly guaranteeing anything.

DD

The Spurs didn't have the worst record when they landed the #1 pick in 97 though, so that was never guaranteed either. Always take a bit of luck

[Ariel]

The Spurs didn't have the worst record when they landed the #1 pick in 97 though, so that was never guaranteed either. Always take a bit of luck
Boston had a 36% chance, we had a 21 % chance...
:lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::bobo

[MultiTroll]

Whether OKC phucked up or Chet errored on his own, that injury in no way shape or form had to occur.

Wemb is a risk, but I believe how he plays will contribute greatly as to whether or not he gets injured.

Chet was looking fine thru ought the summer. The idiotic backpedaling attempt to stuff Lebron is what did him in.

[baseline bum]

The problem is that both of our teams have tanked to get the top pick.....Duncan, Hakeem etc...

But that was back when the worst record guaranteed the number 1 pick, now at best the worst record has a 14% chance of the top pick....not exactly guaranteeing anything.

DD

LOL no. There is an NBA draft lottery because you guys tanked back to back for Sampson and Olajuwon.

[tapiefan]

https://twitter.com/TrashTalk_fr/status/1577523303362838529

37 points - 11/20 FG%
7/11 3P%
5 blocks

[tapiefan]

Victor Wembanyama, the next big thing, will join the draft in 2023. Euro/French player, currently in TP's ASVEL, he is for sure the target the Spurs must focus on.

Spurs have 2 years to tank guys. Discuss.

I'm glad PATFO has finally decided to listen to what I said 2 years ago about Victor.

[tapiefan]

My only concern: he decided to leave ASVEL (despite the fact TP plans to use him as the team's center piece) to join Metropolitains (which is a worse team) in order to be under the star light of Paris.

[thiste]

Not a concern. He actually went back to Paris for his last season in France so he could be close to his family and also he plays less games at Metropolitans 92 so he can focus on training & filling out.

[CGD]

My only concern: he decided to leave ASVEL (despite the fact TP plans to use him as the team's center piece) to join Metropolitains (which is a worse team) in order to be under the star light of Paris.

I’d want to be in Paris too, lol.

We just have to be prepared to have these guys through their first max extension. I’m assuming they’re gone after that.

We gotta be real about the modern nba and the limits of being in south texas.

[playblair]

I’d want to be in Paris too, lol.

We just have to be prepared to have these guys through their first max extension. I’m assuming they’re gone after that.

We gotta be real about the modern nba and the limits of being in south texas.
literally just move up the road 1 hour to austin it will solve the problem

[CGD]

literally just move up the road 1 hour to austin it will solve the problem

I've lived in many major US cities. Austin is cool, but it's not THAT cool. Settle down.

Real talk: I'm also not sure how many NBA players are into that Mumford & Sons vibe it's got going on.

[The Truth #6]

I've lived in many major US cities. Austin is cool, but it's not THAT cool. Settle down.

Real talk: I'm also not sure how many NBA players are into that Mumford & Sons vibe it's got going on.

Hilarious but definitely some truth. It wouldn’t surprise me that players prefer the city of Houston to Austin. Austin has a lot of billionaires, but do players give a shit about hanging out with Elon Musk and talking about lithium batteries?

[rjv]

I've lived in many major US cities. Austin is cool, but it's not THAT cool. Settle down.

Real talk: I'm also not sure how many NBA players are into that Mumford & Sons vibe it's got going on.

austin is overrated. it's a nicer place for younger persons but not necessarily younger persons of color. it really is lacking in culture. (it had some organic culture, albeit white, way back when it was a hippie town by the lake but those days are long since gone; and it gentrified away East Austin.)

[heyheymymy]

damn back to back blocks on Henderson in that hi light reel

[MultiTroll]

#7 has jumped into the top 4 every year of the new flattened odds, and won the lottery once. FINISHING in the bottom 4, it’s basically a coin flip if you will even STAY in the top 4 picks. It’s not bad luck to drop out of the top 4, it’s pretty normal. One year 3 teams got pushed out.
The balanced view here would be when the Spurs are already in a position to hit 7 or lower, keep that and not let CIA Dipstick go all out against tanking teams the final three weeks.
Like last season. :rolleyes

[tapiefan]

I've lived in many major US cities. Austin is cool, but it's not THAT cool. Settle down.

Real talk: I'm also not sure how many NBA players are into that Mumford & Sons vibe it's got going on.

If he wants to play for Paris as a french (instead of Lyon which is the second metropolitain area in France), he would not be interested by Austin nor Houston, but only be interested to live in NYC, LA, SF and maybe Miami or Chicago.

[Ice009]

Can someone give me a brief rundown or a link on how the draft works these days? I haven't really looked at the top of the lottery since we haven't really been there for 25+ years. So finishing in the bottom 4 doesn't increase your odds of getting the number 1 pick? Is there much difference between finishing say 7th or last?

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

I wouldn’t be mad (I prefer we get 1st) if we got the number 2 pick and Scoot Henderson. Dude was balling out there and barring injuries he is also going to be a really good player.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Can someone give me a brief rundown or a link on how the draft works these days? I haven't really looked at the top of the lottery since we haven't really been there for 25+ years. So finishing in the bottom 4 doesn't increase your odds of getting the number 1 pick? Is there much difference between finishing say 7th or last?
https://sun9-54.userapi.com/impg/-H6yXWP-BJc9S4A9Yj9tAUr70tOr7kqqrkfh9Q/QVp4nh5gOdQ.jpg?size=854x495&quality=96&sign=8cb37bc65ec0af4ecf67941f87122fbd&type=album

[spurs1990]

So 14% vs 12.5% isn't a big drop off. We can root for enough wins to at least get to #4 slot. It'll be good for the young core to pile up 25-30 wins which should get them in the hunt for #4 at worst.

Based on just the first few possessions alone Wembayana has the feel of a cornerstone.

[Trill Clinton]

4 more years!


1577488393071906817

[daslicer]

4 more years!


1577488393071906817

That's Pop regardless of whether the Spurs win or lose the lottery.

[Leetonidas]

Spurs getting one of Scoot or Wemby would catapult us back into relevance within a couple seasons. If spurs luck out and land the #1 pick everyone is going to forget the last 5 years and will be glad we tanked in 23 instead of 19-22 :lol

[Ariel]

Can someone give me a brief rundown or a link on how the draft works these days? I haven't really looked at the top of the lottery since we haven't really been there for 25+ years. So finishing in the bottom 4 doesn't increase your odds of getting the number 1 pick? Is there much difference between finishing say 7th or last?
https://tankathon.com/pick_odds
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/wizards/what-know-about-2022-nba-draft-lottery
https://www.nba.com/news/nba-draft-lottery-explainer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_draft_lottery

[Ice009]

https://sun9-54.userapi.com/impg/-H6yXWP-BJc9S4A9Yj9tAUr70tOr7kqqrkfh9Q/QVp4nh5gOdQ.jpg?size=854x495&quality=96&sign=8cb37bc65ec0af4ecf67941f87122fbd&type=album

Thanks. So finishing in the bottom 3-4 is the best chance. Finishing last seems like a waste of time, but also, finishing in the bottom 3 or 4 doesn't really give you any advantage. It really is a lottery.


https://tankathon.com/pick_odds
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/wizards/what-know-about-2022-nba-draft-lottery
https://www.nba.com/news/nba-draft-lottery-explainer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_draft_lottery


Thanks. I will have a look at these when I have some time. I am really out of drafting at the top of the lottery as we haven't done it for so long.

[BatManu20]

The meltdown in here is gonna be 2013-like when the Spurs finish as a bottom-two team and wind up with the 5th or 6th pick :lol

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The meltdown in here is gonna be 2013-like when the Spurs finish as a bottom-two team and wind up with the 5th or 6th pick :lol

'Penis-looking fella hates us.' - ST, may 2023, probably

[stnick2261]

Thanks. So finishing in the bottom 3-4 is the best chance. Finishing last seems like a waste of time, but also, finishing in the bottom 3 or 4 doesn't really give you any advantage. It really is a lottery.

The desire to finish in last place (instead of 3rd or 4th) isn't for better odds of the overall #1 pick.... it's the 100% guarantee of getting a top 5 pick. The 4th worst record has a 44.6% chance of dropping to picks 6, 7, or 8.

[exstatic]

The desire to finish in last place (instead of 3rd or 4th) isn't for better odds of the overall #1 pick.... it's the 100% guarantee of getting a top 5 pick. The 4th worst record has a 44.6% chance of dropping to picks 6, 7, or 8.

80% of the talent in the draft is usually in the first 2-3 picks. Not a heap of difference most years between 5 and 8.

[stnick2261]

80% of the talent in the draft is usually in the first 2-3 picks. Not a heap of difference most years between 5 and 8.

All the more reason to start with the worst record. Although there's still a huge drop-off between 5-8. After 8 is where it starts to level off.

https://miro.medium.com/max/720/1*9n7YhIfbXJ-t9qxs_lfA4g.png

[Ariel]

80% of the talent in the draft is usually in the first 2-3 picks. Not a heap of difference most years between 5 and 8.
That's hugely contingent on the draft class, sometimes it's flat but other times there's a steep decline after the top 5, and it never hurts to avoid giving 3 teams the chance to snatch your target in your face. In this upcoming draft that could likely be the case. So while I'm never a fan of blatant, mishandle your team tanking, I sure as hell hope the FO avoids that scenario by removing the couple of vets that could most impact such outcome, but mainly Poeltl. That should give Pop the leeway to sincerely go all out and still be bad enough to lose in bunches, like Ainge made sure to happen in Utah.

[KingKev]

That's hugely contingent on the draft class, sometimes it's flat but other times there's a steep decline after the top 5, and it never hurts to avoid giving 3 teams the chance to snatch your target in your face. In this upcoming draft that could likely be the case. So while I'm never a fan of blatant, mishandle your team tanking, I sure as hell hope the FO avoids that scenario by removing the couple of vets that could most impact such outcome, but mainly Poeltl. That should give Pop the leeway to sincerely go all out and still be bad enough to lose in bunches, like Ainge made sure to happen in Utah.


This. I understand principles, corporate culture etc etc but If PATFO fumble another year by winning 5-10 meaningless games down the stretch at that point you have to question is this is just ego? I seriously think PATFO thinks they are better than other front offices. There just doesn’t seem to be any urgency to get back to competitiveness.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

80% of the talent in the draft is usually in the first 2-3 picks. Not a heap of difference most years between 5 and 8.
Is it possible to conduct at least a minimal fact check before posting nonsense?

2010
top-3: Wall, Turner, Favors
others: Cousins, Hayward, George

2011
top-3: Kyrie, Derrick Williams, Kanterothers: Kemba, Klay, Vucevic, Kawhi, Butler, Isaiah

2012
top-3: Davis, Kidd-Gilchrist, Beal
others: Lillard, Drimmond, Green, Middleton

2013
top-3: Bennett, Oladipo, Porter Jr.
others: Giannis, McCollum, Gobert

2014
top-3: Wiggins (MAPLE JORDAN generational talent), Parker, Embiid
others: Randle, Lavine, Jokic

2015
top-3: Towns, Russell, Okafor
others: Porzingis, Booker

2016
top-3: Simmons, Ingram, Brown
others: Sabonis, Siakam, Dejounte

2017
top-3: Fultz, Lonzo, Tatum
others: Mithchell, Adebayo

[heyheymymy]

I think everyone goes home happy because Spurs will def be among the worst 3/bottom of the league so best odds at a #1 pick lottery. But at the same time, and from the perspective of those enriched by Spurs turnstile hits, the bottom 3 have the exact same odds at #1. So that's possibly a difference of +1-5 wins, maybe more. If you are Spurs Sports and Entertainment, you want to strike the balance of best odds at #1 while still dialing up the max amount of wins allowable while still preserving the best odds at #1.

I mean losing maybe as much a 5 more games to still have the same 14% odds or whatever is stupid. Each win could amount to significant fan patronage whether it's parking, turnstiles, food vendor/merch sales, etc gamble bets etc. I look for SA to scheme a sweet spot between the optimal pick odds and enriching investors.

Obviously totally dependent on the other bottom dwellers and obvs Spurs should lose whatever is necessary to match other tanking teams and preserve the maximum 14% odds. But there may be some wiggle room to have some cake and eat it too.

[JPB]

Not a concern. He actually went back to Paris for his last season in France so he could be close to his family and also he plays less games at Metropolitans 92 so he can focus on training & filling out.

Coach Collet is also know for developing young players...

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

4 more years!


1577488393071906817

:lol

[exstatic]

Is it possible to conduct at least a minimal fact check before posting nonsense?

2010
top-3: Wall, Turner, Favors
others: Cousins, Hayward, George

2011
top-3: Kyrie, Derrick Williams, Kanterothers: Kemba, Klay, Vucevic, Kawhi, Butler, Isaiah

2012
top-3: Davis, Kidd-Gilchrist, Beal
others: Lillard, Drimmond, Green, Middleton

2013
top-3: Bennett, Oladipo, Porter Jr.
others: Giannis, McCollum, Gobert

2014
top-3: Wiggins (MAPLE JORDAN generational talent), Parker, Embiid
others: Randle, Lavine, Jokic

2015
top-3: Towns, Russell, Okafor
others: Porzingis, Booker

2016
top-3: Simmons, Ingram, Brown
others: Sabonis, Siakam, Dejounte

2017
top-3: Fultz, Lonzo, Tatum
others: Mithchell, Adebayo

Other than Kawhi and Giannis, none of those ‘others’ is anything special or a franchise guy who takes his team to a title. You might be OK with an All Star, but we had one of those and just traded him. I WANT A GODDAMNED FRANCHISE PLAYER FOR A TITLE TEAM.

[TD 21]

Other than Kawhi and Giannis, none of those ‘others’ is anything special or a franchise guy who takes his team to a title. You might be OK with an All Star, but we had one of those and just traded him. I WANT A GODDAMNED FRANCHISE PLAYER FOR A TITLE TEAM.

:lmao At not including Davis, Embiid, Jokic in that.

Spare me the "Davis had James" (when the former was the best player in '20 playoffs and unlike Scumbag, didn't need 95 games of rest, the most complete team in the league around him or the best team in the league decimated by injury) and Embiid and Jokic "haven't done it" (as if they've had one legit chance).

[Russ]

https://sun9-54.userapi.com/impg/-H6yXWP-BJc9S4A9Yj9tAUr70tOr7kqqrkfh9Q/QVp4nh5gOdQ.jpg?size=854x495&quality=96&sign=8cb37bc65ec0af4ecf67941f87122fbd&type=album

That looks like a big "N" as in no.

14% chance? One in seven.

The Spurs will need some major luck.

[baseline bum]

Other than Kawhi and Giannis, none of those ‘others’ is anything special or a franchise guy who takes his team to a title. You might be OK with an All Star, but we had one of those and just traded him. I WANT A GODDAMNED FRANCHISE PLAYER FOR A TITLE TEAM.

Tbh the only franchise guy in those top 3 was Embiid.

[emanueldavidginobili]

1578138717587283969

Pretty ridiculous

[jjspur]

Question for everyone ... In the last 10 years, when has the worst team in the league record wise, actually had the #1 pick ?
I'm pretty sure we'll have a bottom 5 record, but that won't guarantee us Mr. franchise Wembanyama unless we also "luck" into the 1st pick. Remember 4 teams will also have bad records but will also have the pretty much the same odds to get the first pick. Like us they'll need some luck in order to get Wemby or enven Scoot Henderson.

I'm very much a realist, and I have no doubt we can get a decent player with a bottom 5 record, but will it be the #1 pick or even the 2nd pick ? I'm not holding my breath, there are no guarantees in the NBA even with the worst record.

[Barfunk]

LMAO, now that the Spurs may or may not be in the mix to get him with the #1 pick, all of a sudden Adam Silver is urging teams not to tank for him. The league and ESPN know no bounds for their hatred of San Antonio, LOL.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fea6P_gWYAEGs1E?format=jpg&name=large

[thiste]

For reference on the picture above, Miller is the same height as Giannis with similar wingspan.

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NC5JOgiwJ8

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Other than Kawhi and Giannis, none of those ‘others’ is anything special or a franchise guy who takes his team to a title. You might be OK with an All Star, but we had one of those and just traded him. I WANT A GODDAMNED FRANCHISE PLAYER FOR A TITLE TEAM.
Turner, Favors, Derrick Williams, Kanter, Kidd-Gilchrist, Beal, Bennett, Oladipo, Porter Jr, Wiggins, Parker, Russell, Okafor, Simmons, Ingram, Brown, Fultz and Lonzo are special?

[tapiefan]

Question for everyone ... In the last 10 years, when has the worst team in the league record wise, actually had the #1 pick ?
I'm pretty sure we'll have a bottom 5 record, but that won't guarantee us Mr. franchise Wembanyama unless we also "luck" into the 1st pick. Remember 4 teams will also have bad records but will also have the pretty much the same odds to get the first pick. Like us they'll need some luck in order to get Wemby or enven Scoot Henderson.

I'm very much a realist, and I have no doubt we can get a decent player with a bottom 5 record, but will it be the #1 pick or even the 2nd pick ? I'm not holding my breath, there are no guarantees in the NBA even with the worst record.

We need the best possible odds to land Victor or Scoot, so we have to be bottom 3. Period.

[tapiefan]

1578138717587283969

Pretty ridiculous

A man among children.

[CGD]

1578138717587283969

Pretty ridiculous

Sweet Jesus. My mind is still blown

[CGD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NC5JOgiwJ8

Great demeanor, confidence. Clearly a thoughtful kid

[Ice009]

Wow. I am in. I was a bit worried about his frame, but man, this kid is amazing.

I'm starting to get a little nervous seeing both these guys as so many teams are going for them and it's going to suck for anyone that doesn't have pick 1 or pick number 2. What a draft and what a crazy year it will be with teams racing to the bottom.

[boutons_deux]

Frenchy's Tony and Bobo plus Tim and Dav
e Robinson

Convince the guy to to demand a trade from whichever team that drafts him to the Spurs

Exactly what Kobe did to get on to the Lakers from Charlotte

[KingKev]

Frenchy's Tony and Bobo plus Tim and Dav
e Robinson

Convince the guy to to demand a trade from whichever team that drafts him to the Spurs

Exactly what Kobe did to get on to the Lakers from Charlotte

That would take alot of convincing.

[absoloot66]

1578138717587283969

Pretty ridiculous

Unprecedented. Such gracefulness & agility for someone that size. I see no awkwardness at all. Extremely skilled in ALL facets of the game.:wow:wow:wow

[jjspur]

We need the best possible odds to land Victor or Scoot, so we have to be bottom 3. Period.

I know we're just playing the odds, but in every game of chance there will be winners and losers. Lets just realize that there will be other factors involved other than the worst 3 records and that one of them will possibly drop to 5. That will be a huge disappointment for whomever that team is after a year of tanking.

In an ideal world like the NFL and MLB the worst teams do pick first, but in the NBA it just doesn't work like that. The NBA wanted teams to stop intentionally tanking for the first pick so they instituted a new draft process. Well guess what teams are still doing - tanking.

[thiste]

To think the kid is still one full season away from even being drafted...

[spurraider21]

Unprecedented. Such gracefulness & agility for someone that size. I see no awkwardness at all. Extremely skilled in ALL facets of the game.:wow:wow:wow
one might say he has Nash's shot, Rose's athleticism, and Parker's speed and finishing ability

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/Sam_Vecenie/status/1578503418351534080

[jjspur]

Wemby and Scoot are the absolute studs of next years draft, but I'm not counting on losses or ping pong balls, I will be crossing my fingers and toes, plus holding on to my rabbits foot for the luck that will be needed to get one of these two generational players. After what I'm sure will be a lost season, next June can't come fast enough.

[exstatic]

Question for everyone ... In the last 10 years, when has the worst team in the league record wise, actually had the #1 pick ?
I'm pretty sure we'll have a bottom 5 record, but that won't guarantee us Mr. franchise Wembanyama unless we also "luck" into the 1st pick. Remember 4 teams will also have bad records but will also have the pretty much the same odds to get the first pick. Like us they'll need some luck in order to get Wemby or enven Scoot Henderson.

I'm very much a realist, and I have no doubt we can get a decent player with a bottom 5 record, but will it be the #1 pick or even the 2nd pick ? I'm not holding my breath, there are no guarantees in the NBA even with the worst record.

Phoenix, in 2018, just before they changed the lottery odds. Anything past4years is irrelevant, though, since that is the lottery world that we’re in now. In those 4 years, the worst record team has never won. In the old system, the worst team had 25% odds at #1. Now, the worst 4 teams are almost flat at 14%,14%,14%, and 12.5%.

[Ariel]

Quick question... it's often argued that, since the flattening of the odds, the record is not that important, and it's cited as evidence the fact that never did the team with the worst record get the no. 1 pick.
For anyone who argues that, I'd like you to answer this: since the flattening of the odds (2019), what percentage of times did the team who landed the no. 1 pick have the best possible odds (alone or shared)?
Please make sure you read the question carefully before you answer.

[lefty20]

Quick question... it's often argued that, since the flattening of the odds, the record is not that important, and it's cited as evidence the fact that never did the team with the worst record get the no. 1 pick.
For anyone who argues that, I'd like you to answer this: since the flattening of the odds (2019), what percentage of times did the team who landed the no. 1 pick have the best possible odds (alone or shared)?
Please make sure you read the question carefully before you answer.

3 times by my count.

Wolves, Pistons & Magic.

[Ariel]

3 times by my count.

Wolves, Pistons & Magic.
Thanks. So in other words, 3 out of 4 times you didn't land the top pick UNLESS YOU HAD THE MAXIMUM POSSIBLE CHANCES TO DO SO.
I think that's a much better way to look at it that the whole "the worst team never got the top pick" narrative which fails to to mention that the 2nd/3rd worst team had equally good chances and ended up with the top pick 75% of the time.

[ambchang]

Ralph Sampson 2.0. Hope he turns out to be the Sampson that could’ve been instead of the one that was.

[lefty20]

Thanks. So in other words, 3 out of 4 times you didn't land the top pick UNLESS YOU HAD THE MAXIMUM POSSIBLE CHANCES TO DO SO.
I think that's a much better way to look at it that the whole "the worst team never got the top pick" narrative which fails to to mention that the 2nd/3rd worst team had equally good chances and ended up with the top pick 75% of the time.

Yup, bottom 3 record is a must. Gotta give ourselves the best possible odds and leave the rest to the ping pong balls.

[Seventyniner]

Yup, bottom 3 record is a must. Gotta give ourselves the best possible odds and leave the rest to the ping pong balls.

The problems start when more than three teams share this mindset. VW is such a rare prospect that we might see a tank-off of epic proportions.

[Ariel]

The problems start when more than three teams share this mindset. VW is such a rare prospect that we might see a tank-off of epic proportions.
Which is why you shouldn't f*ck around trying to get the most out of every veteran who caps at bench player, and focus on developing youngsters with actual starter potential and in the process position yourself to increase your talent base. It's really not rocket science, the way to go is obvious pretty much for the entire NBA community except for a handful of stubborn ST posters.

[benefactor]

Bring on those 23 wins

[scott]

We should all become used to the idea that we aren’t getting this guy now… save yourself the heartbreak down the road.

[baseline bum]

Unprecedented. Such gracefulness & agility for someone that size. I see no awkwardness at all. Extremely skilled in ALL facets of the game.:wow:wow:wow

Kind of reminds me of pre-injury Sabonis with more shooting range but without the elite passing.

[tbdog]

I'm not going to spend the season just thinking of this prospect. Just enjoy whatever growth from our youth. If we land this guy, going in the future with all this picks, could be 10 years of good seasons. Until then.....

[CGD]

Kind of reminds me of pre-injury Sabonis with more shooting range but without the elite passing.

But was young Sabonis this mobile and fluid? I know he was a force but this feels different.

[Ariel]

I'm not going to spend the season just thinking of this prospect. Just enjoy whatever growth from our youth. If we land this guy, going in the future with all this picks, could be 10 years of good seasons. Until then.....
Oh, definitely. I'm really looking forward to watching our young players grow, we don't have that one player to build around just yet, but I'm optimistic that we do have several big pieces moving forward. Interesting and important season ahead for us.
Also Wembanyama is the ultimate wish, but Scoot Henderson is also a phenomenal talent and there are several other very, very interesting prospects in the top 5/6 in the 2023 draft, so we should be in position for a significant talent upgrade no matter what.

[baseline bum]

But was young Sabonis this mobile and fluid? I know he was a force but this feels different.

Yeah but my memories of prime Sabonis were from when he was 24 in the 88 Olympics so Wembanyama looking like that at 18 is ridiculous. On a side note I can't imagine how much the Blazers would have dominated the NBA if say Sabonis came in 89 to join the team they had with Drexler, Terry Porter, Jerome Kersey, Buck Williams, Cliff Robinson, and Kevin Duckworth. I think Portland drafted Sabonis in the first round or early second in 86.

[spurs1990]

14% is good and the Spurs FO knows it. Totally justified to build the weakest roster in the league for this guy. He’s Duncan part 2. 15 years of relevance once you get him in San Antonio

[slick'81]

https://youtu.be/OvxU3x-H4wU

[Chomag]

Will lightning strike us again?? Odds are low but there is still a chance lol

My mind is made up that he is going to be a once in a generation type of player, it's only his health that might hold him back, but that is a risk worth taking without hesitation.

[KingKev]

Which is why you shouldn't f*ck around trying to get the most out of every veteran who caps at bench player, and focus on developing youngsters with actual starter potential and in the process position yourself to increase your talent base. It's really not rocket science, the way to go is obvious pretty much for the entire NBA community except for a handful of stubborn ST posters.

75% of this fucking board doesn’t understand this.

[rjv]

Oh, definitely. I'm really looking forward to watching our young players grow, we don't have that one player to build around just yet, but I'm optimistic that we do have several big pieces moving forward. Interesting and important season ahead for us.
Also Wembanyama is the ultimate wish, but Scoot Henderson is also a phenomenal talent and there are several other very, very interesting prospects in the top 5/6 in the 2023 draft, so we should be in position for a significant talent upgrade no matter what.

this is exactly the way that ST should look at this coming season and draft.

[spurs1990]

Three recent mock drafts have your San Antonio Spurs with the first pick. Tea leaves are writing on the wall to get the best prospect in almost 20 years, and the 5th best in 35 - up there with James, Duncan, O'Neal, and Robinson.

https://sports.yahoo.com/2023-nba-mock-draft-2-victor-wembanyama-scoot-henderson-atop-loaded-draft-class-after-las-vegas-showcase-160336864.html

https://clutchpoints.com/way-too-early-2023-nba-mock-draft/

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10049801-2023-nba-mock-draft-upcoming-showcase-features-top-two-prospects

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1581379381737689088

[tim_duncan_fan]

Keldon, Devin, and Primo may very well eliminate any chance of this guy coming here. Do the crying now.

[Joseph Kony]

Keldon, Devin, and Primo may very well eliminate any chance of this guy coming here. Do the crying now.

lol...while they played well i wouldnt put too much stock into preseason games against the two other worst teams in the west

[K...]

Keldon, Devin, and Primo may very well eliminate any chance of this guy coming here. Do the crying now.

meh it's only a 20% percent chance regardless so no reason to cry.

[spurs1990]

Spurs had a 21.6% to land Duncan in 1997 vs Boston at 35%. Legend has it that San Antonio’s number came up again on the 2nd draw for #2 pick.

This was back when Vancouver, the worst team, wasn’t eligible for a top 3 lottery draw. Part of their expansion condition for their first 3 years.

https://i.ibb.co/QrhWjjL/012-BF00-A-7-B64-4-D57-B672-E1-E81-CE896-E0.jpg (https://ibb.co/86Gy44q)

[Rocalcio]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1581379381737689088

I wanted to post about this game too. He’s been amazing, it looks like his USA trip gave him even more confidence and he plays even better than before the G-League games.

[offset formation]

My only concern: he decided to leave ASVEL (despite the fact TP plans to use him as the team's center piece) to join Metropolitains (which is a worse team) in order to be under the star light of Paris.

Poor kid will likely end up in San Antonio, Oklahoma City, Orlando, or Salt Lake City for at least the first 4 years of his career. Pretty much the polar opposite of being in the limelight.

[skin27]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1581379381737689088

I saw some highlights of wemby in this game.. the problem with him is sometimes he is forcing to shoot fadeaway three pointers.

Scoot is a better player with high basketvall iq.. but cant blame the team if they pick this guy.

[Rocalcio]

Poor kid will likely end up in San Antonio, Oklahoma City, Orlando, or Salt Lake City for at least the first 4 years of his career. Pretty much the polar opposite of being in the limelight.

He didn’t go to Paris in order to be in the limelight but to be close to his family for his last season in France. He also left ASVEL so he would have less games during the season in order to focus on his body reinforcement and be ready for the NBA. ASVEL plays Euroleague so that was too many games for him.
He’s not a kid attracted by fame or jet set shit, he’d fit perfectly in SA.

[rascal]

Imagine if he went to OK City and teamed with Chet Holmgren.

[exstatic]

I saw some highlights of wemby in this game.. the problem with him is sometimes he is forcing to shoot fadeaway three pointers.

Scoot is a better player with high basketvall iq.. but cant blame the team if they pick this guy.

Don’t conflate better with slightly ahead on the development curve. Scoot is going to be good, and is pretty much a clear #2, but he really looks like a shorter DJ.

[RC_Drunkford]

I saw some highlights of wemby in this game.. the problem with him is sometimes he is forcing to shoot fadeaway three pointers.

Scoot is a better player with high basketvall iq.. but cant blame the team if they pick this guy.

Scoot can't play D, so no

[manufan10]

How good is the competition he's going against?

[Ocotillo]

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/charlotte-hornets/article267431857.html

James Bouknight arrested on impaired driving charge in Charlotte

Charlotte draft pick looking more and more bleak.

[CGD]

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/charlotte-hornets/article267431857.html

James Bouknight arrested on impaired driving charge in Charlotte

Charlotte draft pick looking more and more bleak.

The east is looking good these days. Not sure Buknight was gonna make a difference, but yeah. I bet charlotte joins the tank off mid January.

[duncan2150]

How good is the competition he's going against?

The BetClic Elite is a good competition, not the best in Europe but a good one. Better than G league for example.

[Seventyniner]

The east is looking good these days. Not sure Buknight was gonna make a difference, but yeah. I bet charlotte joins the tank off mid January.

It might be too late by then. Charlotte is not going to want to tank, but they probably aren't going to be good enough to seriously contend even for a play-in spot.

I can see them making some win-now moves next offseason. I doubt LaMelo will be patient enough for a multi-year rebuild.

[Rocalcio]

I saw some highlights of wemby in this game.. the problem with him is sometimes he is forcing to shoot fadeaway three pointers.

Scoot is a better player with high basketvall iq.. but cant blame the team if they pick this guy.

Scoot isn’t a better player.

[skin27]

Don’t conflate better with slightly ahead on the development curve. Scoot is going to be good, and is pretty much a clear #2, but he really looks like a shorter DJ.
Hell no!! Scoot is a lot better than dj

[SupremeGuy]

Other than pop's stupidity what's stopping us from tanking and getting a legit shot at him?

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He didn’t go to Paris in order to be in the limelight but to be close to his family for his last season in France. He also left ASVEL so he would have less games during the season in order to focus on his body reinforcement and be ready for the NBA. ASVEL plays Euroleague so that was too many games for him.
He’s not a kid attracted by fame or jet set shit, he’d fit perfectly in SA.

Ah great update. I was actually just thinking maybe we shouldn't even draft him.

[BatManu20]

Bench Vassell tbh :lol

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[Thomas82]

Bench Vassell tbh :lol

1582476452267626496

Trade him!! :lol:lol

[RC_Drunkford]

Not a culture fit

[BackHome]

Scoot isn’t a better player.

Agreed but I would bet he has a much longer career then Wem. I just think that a 7’5 skinny dude is just a click away from season ending surgeries.

[MultiTroll]

Phoenix, in 2018, just before they changed the lottery odds. Anything past4years is irrelevant, though, since that is the lottery world that we’re in now. In those 4 years, the worst record team has never won. In the old system, the worst team had 25% odds at #1. Now, the worst 4 teams are almost flat at 14%,14%,14%, and 12.5%.
Booking for future reference. :bobo

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1583560739293630464

https://twitter.com/Itamar_17_10/status/1583534766208737281

[tim_duncan_fan]

.500 baby!

[slick'81]

Bye bye victor:cry

[Rocalcio]

I wanted to post about this game too. He’s been amazing, it looks like his USA trip gave him even more confidence and he plays even better than before the G-League games.

His coach said the same thing followed his last game. That was his best game of the season so far, I’m particularly impressed by his passing abilities.

[rascal]

.500 baby!

Enjoy, will not be .500 for the rest of the year after next game.

[rascal]

Bye bye victor:cry

victor still in sights

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Enjoy, will not be .500 for the rest of the year after next game.
You're right. Will be higher.

[skin27]

I think he should dominate the paint instead of shooting fadeaway threes...

[lefty20]

I think he should dominate the paint instead of shooting fadeaway threes...

He will... once he's on that churro diet after being drafted by the Spurs.

[RC_Drunkford]

You're right. Will be higher.

:lmao you're high

[rascal]

:lmao you're high

Spurs 2-1 so I was wrong, it is higher than .500 for now.

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs 2-1 so I was wrong, it is higher than .500 for now.

:pctoss

[Vince Carter's ankle]

:lmao you're high
what's up

[rascal]

what's up

Check back in a couple of weeks. Long losing streaks incoming.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Check back in a couple of weeks. Long losing streaks incoming.
no shit!

[offset formation]

Ha. Commish Silver ain't having it with obvious tanking and has warned teams as the Wembanyama sweepstakes take hold.

One discussed proposal even involves a possible demotion of a guilty team to the G-League. Haha. Silver ain't doing shit. Tank away Spurs. Go get you some Wembanyama.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-commissioner-says-the-league-is-monitoring-tanking-a-serious-issue-221923120.html

[KingKev]

^ I’m not a conspiracy theorist that the NBA is out to get the Spurs but I will say we will see some heat down the stretch of Pop did the right thing and strategically tanked come March/April.

Laker would be applauded however.

[TD 21]

Silver is just annoyed that their pets don't project to be in contention (Lakers, Warriors, Raptors) and that non glamour markets do.



^ I’m not a conspiracy theorist that the NBA is out to get the Spurs but I will say we will see some heat down the stretch of Pop did the right thing and strategically tanked come March/April.

Laker would be applauded however.

When the Spurs made the '13 Finals, Wojnarowski wrote an article detailing the league's longstanding dislike for the Spurs, stemming from their being uncooperative "partners" (unlike the 80s Lakers and Celtics, 90s Bulls and 00s Lakers) when they rose to the top as well as for inventing "load management".

Silver even went so far as to take a shot at Buford this year about the latter, only forcing a fake smile after a while so he could pretend that he was joking.

[Seventyniner]

Silver is just annoyed that their pets don't project to be in contention (Lakers, Warriors, Raptors) and that non glamour markets do.

When the Spurs made the '13 Finals, Wojnarowski wrote an article detailing the league's longstanding dislike for the Spurs, stemming from their being uncooperative "partners" (unlike the 80s Lakers and Celtics, 90s Bulls and 00s Lakers) when they rose to the top as well as for inventing "load management".

Silver even went so far as to take a shot at Buford this year about the latter, only forcing a fake smile after a while so he could pretend that he was joking.

I don't think the Lakers or Raptors will be close to contention, but the Warriors should be up there. They certainly have the firepower to get out of the West and have at least a puncher's chance against anyone in the East.

Do you have a link to that Woj article? I only vaguely remember it.

[TD 21]

I don't think the Lakers or Raptors will be close to contention, but the Warriors should be up there. They certainly have the firepower to get out of the West and have at least a puncher's chance against anyone in the East.

Do you have a link to that Woj article? I only vaguely remember it.

I meant in contention to win or jump up in the lottery (Lakers don't count since the Pelicans would just swap it).

No. It was when he was still at Yahoo! though.

[baseline bum]

Ha. Commish Silver ain't having it with obvious tanking and has warned teams as the Wembanyama sweepstakes take hold.

One discussed proposal even involves a possible demotion of a guilty team to the G-League. Haha. Silver ain't doing shit. Tank away Spurs. Go get you some Wembanyama.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-commissioner-says-the-league-is-monitoring-tanking-a-serious-issue-221923120.html

LOL yeah they're going to demote the Houston Rockets to replace with the Rio Grande Valley Vipers, that'll be great for the new TV deal.

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LOL yeah they're going to demote the Houston Rockets to replace with the Rio Grande Valley Vipers, that'll be great for the new TV deal.

Precisely.

[mystargtr34]

The relegation stuff is stupid.

Just give all non-playoff teams equal 1/8 chance to win the lottery.

Or make a mini play-in for the bottom 8 teams to fight for higher lottery odds lol.

[DAF86]

The relegation stuff is stupid.

Just give all non-playoff teams equal 1/8 chance to win the lottery.

Or make a mini play-in for the bottom 8 teams to fight for higher lottery odds lol.

This is really the best solution. I think it was like this at some point but it got changed I don't know why. They need to go back to it, tbh.

[Mr. Body]

If you make top 3 or 4, you should be inelligible to get those picks again the following year.

[R. DeMurre]

Silver was joking when he made the relegation comment, and then someone picked it up on Twitter and ran with it:

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-news-adam-silver-clears-air-on-controversial-relegation-idea-to-fix-tanking/

[scott]

Ha. Commish Silver ain't having it with obvious tanking and has warned teams as the Wembanyama sweepstakes take hold.

One discussed proposal even involves a possible demotion of a guilty team to the G-League. Haha. Silver ain't doing shit. Tank away Spurs. Go get you some Wembanyama.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-commissioner-says-the-league-is-monitoring-tanking-a-serious-issue-221923120.html

If Silver wanted to send a message, he'd reward the team who will probably finish in the play-in again this year, just like they have for the last few years, instead of tanking.

[tim_duncan_fan]

People need to stop acting like the team that gets Wembanyana will be the only one to win a championship for the next 20 seasons.

LeBron James was the closest thing to Jordan and he still needed to reteam 8 times and partner up with like 12 super-stars for his 4 rings or whatever it is.

We don't even know if Wemba will take the NBA well long-term. 8'11 3/4 dudes have shitty legs.

Even if he is KD with defense, KD still needed the literal greatest shooter of all time and the 4th best shooter of all time to get anything done.


I'm not losing any sleep if the guy doesn't end up here.


They should do a tournament for the bottom 4 teams in the league with massive 28-point handicaps for each all-star selection on the roster. That would make it impossible for potential fake-tankers like the Lakers. Winner gets Wemba.

[Frenchfred]

Wembanyana knows that he is good, he is not humble about it. I have the feeling that he is the type of guy who might ask for a trade if he doesn’t go to a team he wants. He might pulled a Kobe on draft day.

[tim_duncan_fan]

If the point-guard position wasn't so shit (sorry Tre, but it's true), we would look like a lock for playoffs.

Keldon still getting better. He needs to learn how to rack up 7-10 extra points on bullshit freethrows.

[SpurPadre]

Tonight's loss more than the last game's win tells me this team isn't bad enough to have a shot at picks 1-4. The organization seems content with 5 total Championships and perennial 7th seed ceilings smh.

[Mr. Body]

Tonight's loss more than the last game's win tells me this team isn't bad enough to have a shot at picks 1-4. The organization seems content with 5 total Championships and perennial 7th seed ceilings smh.

Lol. You should follow Houston, Detroit, Orlando, Sacramento, Indiana or OKC. They look just as shitty this year despite their high draft picks.

[DAF86]

If the point-guard position wasn't so shit (sorry Tre, but it's true), we would look like a lock for playoffs.

Keldon still getting better. He needs to learn how to rack up 7-10 extra points on bullshit freethrows.

And then he needs to learn how to make them.

[Mr. Body]

Utah is a lot of fun to watch right now. True, they're sticking it to a Houston team that doesn't look like they've ever played team basketball, but I'd say one is definitely in tank territory (Rox) and the other isn't. At least for now.

[Atl Spur]

People need to stop acting like the team that gets Wembanyana will be the only one to win a championship for the next 20 seasons.

LeBron James was the closest thing to Jordan and he still needed to reteam 8 times and partner up with like 12 super-stars for his 4 rings or whatever it is.


We don't even know if Wemba will take the NBA well long-term. 8'11 3/4 dudes have shitty legs.

Even if he is KD with defense, KD still needed the literal greatest shooter of all time and the 4th best shooter of all time to get anything done.


I'm not losing any sleep if the guy doesn't end up here.


They should do a tournament for the bottom 4 teams in the league with massive 28-point handicaps for each all-star selection on the roster. That would make it impossible for potential fake-tankers like the Lakers. Winner gets Wemba.

Bravo big homie……bravo!!!

[SpurPadre]

Lol. You should follow Houston, Detroit, Orlando, Sacramento, Indiana or OKC. They look just as shitty this year despite their high draft picks.

I’m always going to be a Spurs fan but I’m not going to lap up everything they do when I think they’re doing something wrong.

[boutons_deux]

Silver warns but how does the enforce no tanking?

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Starting to look like a straight up fantasy at this point.

I think it's clear, barring a trade that guts our talent, we're headed for enough mediocrity that we'll be well out of contention for Wembanyama and Scoot. And Pop is too good a coach to tank. Which is ironic they brought back a coach that made a hobby out of doing it in Philly.

And I think it's both admirable and pathetic all at the same time.

There are easily 3 teams that will be out-tanking us and surprisingly, none of them are Utah. Looks like you've got the expected Orlando and Indiana going for the bottom, but also Detroit which should be playing much better. Houston is also playing below their belt for the time being and I fully expect Utah to come back to what their talent suggests.

We simply have too much talent to suck and too little to compete for anything that matters. And our bench is rather surprisingly competent and fairly deep.

That said, I still predicted a roughly 28 win season after the summer league for us, but I made a point to say that I reserve the right until I saw Sochan play because he might be enough of a difference-maker. Well, turns out he is. Dude is gonna be that guy, which is great news long term but also not great news short AND LONG term as his skills are clearly going to help us win more games than we need to win.

We are figuratively spinning our wheels until we get more talent on this roster. We have to trade away some of what we do have though, like Poeltl and Richardson. They're simply too good and too dogged to half ass it, which I respect the hell out of them for. Probably should start playing Branham.

Our wing play is gonna be top 5-8 in the league potentially and that alone simply won't lose you 50 plus games.

One other point on Sochan. There was a rather non-descript play in the 2nd quarter with about 4 minutes left in our 2nd game against Minnesota that spoke to what kind of player he already is and what he'll become where his athleticism and hustle ended with him making a block on Gobert. Truly an incredible play from a rookie.

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Silver warns but how does the enforce no tanking?

Can he do anything of significance without getting it approved by a majority vote of the owners? I'm sure he couldn't just change the rules of the draft without league approval...

[Mr. Body]

Every single team with a top pick last draft looks pretty terrible again this year. Not to say their picks are supposed to turn things around that quickly - and Holmgren is out - more saying that these teams have too many problems.

Houston, a big culture problem, I see. Porter and Green jack tons of shots. This will overwhelm on some nights, but vaguely disciplined teams will beat them.

Orlando, a collection of talent but surprisingly less than you'd think. Banchero ain't enough to drag them to wins, not yet.

Indiana, I think is better than this. They have a good coach, too.

Sacramento, always gonna suck. Keegan Murray is good, but the rest? They could beat college teams.

OKC, I think is addicted to losing. Play guys who are kinda shitty too much like Pokusevski and Dort.

Detroit, some good young players in Cunningham, Bey, Duren, and Ivey, but none of them are all that great.

The Spurs won't finish below any of these teams barring some huge change.

[RC_Drunkford]

people here need to understand that we are not one of these disfunctional franchises. You dump a franchise player in this roster and we're back in the playoffs immediately. The problem is if we're not getting one, then it will be rinse and repeat. Next we gonna trade Keldon, then Vassell for future picks and then stay in NBA purgatory unless one of these future picks and swaps convey from 2025 to 2029. That would be idiotic. We need to get that guy ASAP

[Dejounte]

Starting to look like a straight up fantasy at this point.

I think it's clear, barring a trade that guts our talent, we're headed for enough mediocrity that we'll be well out of contention for Wembanyama and Scoot. And Pop is too good a coach to tank. Which is ironic they brought back a coach that made a hobby out of doing it in Philly.

And I think it's both admirable and pathetic all at the same time.

There are easily 3 teams that will be out-tanking us and surprisingly, none of them are Utah. Looks like you've got the expected Orlando and Indiana going for the bottom, but also Detroit which should be playing much better. Houston is also playing below their belt for the time being and I fully expect Utah to come back to what their talent suggests.

We simply have too much talent to suck and too little to compete for anything that matters. And our bench is rather surprisingly competent and fairly deep.

That said, I still predicted a roughly 28 win season after the summer league for us, but I made a point to say that I reserve the right until I saw Sochan play because he might be enough of a difference-maker. Well, turns out he is. Dude is gonna be that guy, which is great news long term but also not great news short AND LONG term as his skills are clearly going to help us win more games than we need to win.

We are figuratively spinning our wheels until we get more talent on this roster. We have to trade away some of what we do have though, like Poeltl and Richardson. They're simply too good and too dogged to half ass it, which I respect the hell out of them for. Probably should start playing Branham.

Our wing play is gonna be top 5-8 in the league potentially and that alone simply won't lose you 50 plus games.

One other point on Sochan. There was a rather non-descript play in the 2nd quarter with about 4 minutes left in our 2nd game against Minnesota that spoke to what kind of player he already is and what he'll become where his athleticism and hustle ended with him making a block on Gobert. Truly an incredible play from a rookie.

That block by Sochan reminded me of Kawhi’s block on Westbrook. It was THE moment you knew they would be special. For me, at least.

[Mal]

Good stuff that Sochan being the dude, does not hurt the tank.

[Atl Spur]

It’s funny how some of these boys are changing their tune�������� I won’t go into detail ( to long to type and not worth it ) the hypocrisy!

[BillMc]

We Spurs fans are like gamblers that hit it big once, and now can't function in the real world

We won the lottery and got the Admiral.

We tanked (once!) and got Timmy.

Now, like that addicted gambler, instead of getting a real job, we're borrowing money to let it ride again on the wheel! Or at least that's what most want on here.

Chances even if we tried to tank we'd be in the bottom 4? Maybe 50/50.

Chance then to get Wembanyama 14%

Chances he becomes a superstar - maybe 30% (which is probably a high estimate, no matter how good he looks).

Chances he stays with the spurs longterm? Who knows....

Chances he leads us to a championship....Small

When you look at the math, tanking ain't worth it. Better to acrue assets and hope you develop a mid-lottery player into a star.

[Seventyniner]

That block by Sochan reminded me of Kawhi’s block on Westbrook. It was THE moment you knew they would be special. For me, at least.

Do you have a video link? I didn't catch the first half and this highlight video doesn't show anything from the second quarter.

ohWVki8YVk0

[Rocalcio]

Wembanyana knows that he is good, he is not humble about it. I have the feeling that he is the type of guy who might ask for a trade if he doesn’t go to a team he wants. He might pulled a Kobe on draft day.

On what basis are you asserting that ? If I understand your name here you’re French, comme moi, and if you follow his evolution you know he’s being pretty humble considering all the things said about him. It mustn’t be easy to take all this pressure and the kid is doing well. He’s not a diva like you describe him.

[The Truth #6]

Blocked Gobert right in his face. I don’t know how he did it. Definitely an athlete. Then also stripped the ball from Ant Man 1-1. That’s super impressive versatility.

[mo7888]

I think we look like a team that'll finish in the bottom 6-8th spot and hoping for a ping pong ball miracle..

[BackHome]

Obviously want to land in the top 2 of draft but 3 to 7 I think can land us a special player if coached up right. Heck even if we land in the range of 8 to 13 that player could be starting PG, SF, C. This draft is pretty special it’s very deep and a lot of SF will be available which is kinda rare.

[The Truth #6]

There are the makings of a exciting, gritty defensive team here. And yes, having superstar talent would help with more wins, and obviously they need to try to get more talent somehow, it’s stupid not to, but after the Kawhi debacle, and the just disappointing nature of the league, as a small market franchise we are pretty much destined to be in some version of this quandary: pining for big talent, but with the realization that this talent can easily just bail on us.

Teamwork and camaraderie, playing above our talent level, was always going to be needed for a small market like SA to have success, even minimal, without a superstar.

Like Offset, I’m torn about this season.

Like Chinook, I acknowledge some type of Buddhist mindfulness, so to speak, is probably needed to enjoy the moment.

For me, I’m enjoying Pop’s work on the team this year, so I’ll just ride this game to game and see where it goes.

[Mugen]

If the Spurs are somehow stupid enough to not actively try and land a top 5 pick in this upcoming draft, it'll set them back at least another 5 years tbh.

Picking in the 6-10 range again would be absolutely a death knell for this franchise :lol

[Frenchfred]

On what basis are you asserting that ? If I understand your name here you’re French, comme moi, and if you follow his evolution you know he’s being pretty humble considering all the things said about him. It mustn’t be easy to take all this pressure and the kid is doing well. He’s not a diva like you describe him.

He had several comments saying how unique he is, which is true. Recently, he made his comment about Scoot Handerson. He is young so it is expected but I’m worried that an agent could put in his head that he shouldn’t go to a small market.

[Atl Spur]

If the Spurs are somehow stupid enough to not actively try and land a top 5 pick in this upcoming draft, it'll set them back at least another 5 years tbh.

Picking in the 6-10 range again would be absolutely a death knell for this franchise :lol
Totally disagree……

[DAF86]

Do you have a video link? I didn't catch the first half and this highlight video doesn't show anything from the second quarter.

ohWVki8YVk0

The block is there, aroubd the 1 minute mark.

[rascal]

He had several comments saying how unique he is, which is true. Recently, he made his comment about Scoot Handerson. He is young so it is expected but I’m worried that an agent could put in his head that he shouldn’t go to a small market.

Start spinning the narrative why the Spurs should not target one of the best players in the draft.

[K...]

Start spinning the narrative why the Spurs should not target one of the best players in the draft.

You can't target guys in the draft by tanking. If you want to do the "spurs need top 5 talent" you probably need to do a total rebuild and trade off the current positive players. At some point the odds are greater that are franchise player is already on the team or coming by trade or free agency than winning the lottery , development for three years, keeping them signed. Its a total crap shoot

[Mr. Body]

If the Spurs are somehow stupid enough to not actively try and land a top 5 pick in this upcoming draft, it'll set them back at least another 5 years tbh.

Picking in the 6-10 range again would be absolutely a death knell for this franchise :lol

I think Sochan will be one of the best players in his class. Drafted 9.

[Rocalcio]

He had several comments saying how unique he is, which is true. Recently, he made his comment about Scoot Handerson. He is young so it is expected but I’m worried that an agent could put in his head that he shouldn’t go to a small market.

Of course he knows he’s unique, that would be hypocritical not to say so, and being falsely humble. All great players had great confidence in themselves, that’s a good thing. But that doesn’t mean he’ll make crisis for meaningless subjects, such as not wanting to play in a small market. I actually think he already said he’d love to play in SA.

[Mugen]

I think Sochan will be one of the best players in his class. Drafted 9.

I don't disagree but his ceiling will be limited if the Spurs aren't able to get All-Start talent on the roster (They currently don't have a future all-star on the team IMO). And the road to drafting an all-star is historically a lot easier when you're drafting top 5.

I'm confident that Sochan will be a really, really good player in the league but the gap between him and Banchero is MASSIVE.

[Mugen]

That block by Sochan reminded me of Kawhi’s block on Westbrook. It was THE moment you knew they would be special. For me, at least.

A series saving block to put them in the Finals vs a run of the mill block in Game 5 of the regular season :lol