Spurs needs to tank hard and target Wembanyama un 2023

[Thomas82]

Yeah, and I think we are under the cap in a way that anyone that stays on the roster gets a nice bonus at the end of the season. We have too many hungry players. What we need is a selfish player that can score points and look pretty, but doesn't win. Now, I don't think that is true of Westbrook for his career, but certainly in his twilight he can be content chucking to keep his stats nice while loading up the Ls. Same with Hardin. Ha to him talking about going back to Houston as if he's going to have high demand on that next contract. I'm not foolish enough to think someone won't pay him a lot, but it will be a mistake that I'm sure the Rockets will not make twice.


All facts!!

[davi78239]

If u put a gun to my head, we’re most likely gonna end up blowing it and be picking outside the top 5 (6-8). Like above mentioned, too many hungry players and we actually have more talent than we think. Pop isn’t too bad of a coach obviously compared to the other teams right now at the very bottom. I can see no moves being made at deadline if we are teasing making the play in. No way pop deals any vets in that case. Man doesn’t lose on purpose. It’s not in his DNA.

[exstatic]

If u put a gun to my head, we’re most likely gonna end up blowing it and be picking outside the top 5 (6-8). Like above mentioned, too many hungry players and we actually have more talent than we think. Pop isn’t too bad of a coach obviously compared to the other teams right now at the very bottom. I can see no moves being made at deadline if we are teasing making the play in. No way pop deals any vets in that case. Man doesn’t lose on purpose. It’s not in his DNA.

Stop being so stupid. He’s been holding out players who were healthy enough to play all year. Vassell scored a very efficient 20 against OKC, shooting 4-6 from long, and was MIA last night against the NYK. Someone’s shoe laces come untied, and they miss a game.

[davi78239]

Stop being so stupid. He’s been holding out players who were healthy enough to play all year. Vassell scored a very efficient 20 against OKC, shooting 4-6 from long, and was MIA last night against the NYK. Someone’s shoe laces come untied, and they miss a game.

Well I hope you’re right for the most part. Figured we’d be doomed for sure with Vassell out last night but nope. Langford ends up going off of course

[Thomas82]

Well I hope you’re right for the most part. Figured we’d be doomed for sure with Vassell out last night but nope. Langford ends up going off of course

That's the downside to having too many hungry players on the team.

[MultiTroll]

Next 10 looking good.
Brooklyn twice, Memphis twice. Hosting Pops butt buddy Kerr.

Detroit could be a tough one.

Should go at least 2-8, maybe 1-9 and stay in 4th.

[CGD]

Holy crap, I just realized the jazz got the wolves 23 frp fully unprotected and that the wolves are presently sitting at 8th giving Utah a 26% chance at a top 4 pick. No wonder they’re not sweating their own seeding right now. Fucking Wolves

Now I’m annoyed we did move DJM to them instead!

[KobesAchilles]

Holy crap, I just realized the jazz got the wolves 23 frp fully unprotected and that the wolves are presently sitting at 8th giving Utah a 26% chance at a top 4 pick. No wonder they’re not sweating their own seeding right now. Fucking Wolves

Now I’m annoyed we did move DJM to them instead!
Atlanta isn’t looking too hot either buddy. And that’s after they got DJ. By 25, I think we could have a great shot at a top 4 pick as well

[CGD]

Atlanta isn’t looking too hot either buddy. And that’s after they got DJ. By 25, I think we could have a great shot at a top 4 pick as well

Sure, but will there be a generational talent in 2025 like Victor?

Right now, Utah has two legit shots at Wemby this draft. Wow.

[XDT76]

Wolves are really pretty bad they are only better than Houston over the last 10 games.

[duncan2150]

Wolves are really pretty bad they are only better than Houston over the last 10 games.

I saw them playing against Milwaukee and NO and they were not that bad ( against Detroit yes lol). They will finish somewhere between the 9th and 11th in the West and ahead of us, Houston and OKC imo.

[exstatic]

Sure, but will there be a generational talent in 2025 like Victor?

Right now, Utah has two legit shots at Wemby this draft. Wow.

People are freaking out because we’re at 12.5% and not 14%. Utahs two shots combined are 7%. No one has ever won from further back than #7, either, since the new flatter odds in 2019.

[Sugus]

People are freaking out because we’re at 12.5% and not 14%. Utahs two shots combined are 7%. No one has ever won from further back than #7, either, since the new flatter odds in 2019.

Thank you, Ex, that's exactly it. I don't get why people get so hot-and-bothered over every W, like we're so far from the bottom we'll majorly screw ourselves. Even with the worst record, the chances are significantly worse than even a coin-flip (50%) of getting Victor.

It'll all come down to luck of the draw, and small, 2% differences are meaningless there. You either get him, or you don't.

[MultiTroll]

People are freaking out because we’re at 12.5% and not 14%.
No, some people are freaking because they know Grandpa Attention Seeker may absolutely once again play all out for wins vs totally tanking teams the last month.

Spurs at 12.5% now.
Does not mean they will be after the final month.

Otherwise agree, 14 to 12.5 is meh.
Anything bottom 4 is workable for a shot.

[KingKev]

No, some people are freaking because they know Grandpa Attention Seeker may absolutely once again play all out for wins vs totally tanking teams the last month.

Spurs at 12.5% now.
Does not mean they will be after the final month.

Otherwise agree, 14 to 12.5 is meh.
Anything bottom 4 is workable for a shot.

This. That 12.5% is going to 0 once other teams throw the towel in.

[K...]

This. That 12.5% is going to 0 once other teams throw the towel in.

you think we make the playoffs like actual 8 seed? I'm joking i know you were being stupid but thats where victor dreams die at 8 seed.

[KingKev]

you think we make the playoffs like actual 8 seed? I'm joking i know you were being stupid but thats where victor dreams die at 8 seed.

I understand the odds more than most. Even tankathon doesn’t accurately reflect the fluidity of the process come draft day. Merely preaching my view that PATFO will fuck this up down the stretch. Pop has already gone on record stating his strategy is borderline lunacy for the long term survival of this franchise.

[stnick2261]

I'm concerned for every win because I know my luck. With my luck, even with the worst record I'm expecting the 5th pick. But I want at least a top 5 pick.

[KingKev]

I'm concerned for every win because I know my luck. With my luck, even with the worst record I'm expecting the 5th pick. But I want at least a top 5 pick.

I mean it has nothing todo with your luck.

[stnick2261]

I mean it has nothing todo with your luck.

That's what you say, but Solipsism says that you're not real and my luck is the only luck that matters.

[Degoat]

Lucky for us it seems like a pretty deep draft 1-5 at least. Every year there’s guy in that range that should have gone number 1 and someone who should have gone a little low. Just gotta hope the spurs grab the right one lol

[TD 21]

This. That 12.5% is going to 0 once other teams throw the towel in.

You are miserable. :lmao


Lucky for us it seems like a pretty deep draft 1-5 at least. Every year there’s guy in that range that should have gone number 1 and someone who should have gone a little low. Just gotta hope the spurs grab the right one lol

All the more reason why they need to strive to finish last. This draft isn't necessarily a failure when (if?) they fail to land a top 2 pick, it's a failure if they fail to land a potential offensive star.

Smith Jr., Miller, Whitmore and George look more likely at this point to be that than the Thompson twins, Wallace and Black, yet I get the sense they'll be drawn more to the latter group.

[Dejounte]

Cam Whitmore would be the ultimate get tbh (aside from Wemba)

[offset formation]

Good loss. Everyone matters!

One troubling thing though that I've been harping on for years, is the teams descent into a poor defensive team. It's seemingly been bad since LMA salvaged that season neph took a shit on the Spurs franchise. And it's been getting worse every year.

Used to be Spurs could hang their hat on that end of the floor even if the shots weren't going down on any given night.

As of tonight, spurs now have the worst +/- in the league and it's not even close. We are -2.7 pts behind the second worst team (Det) and -3 behind the next closest (Rockets).

To put that into perspective, we are now ~50% worse than any other team in the +/-.

Total PPG are also nearly 3 points worse than any other team (121 PPG). Other stats like fastbreak points also point to our decline.

I'm all about losing our asses off, but even if we get Wembanyama, I'm not sure we win many games 130 - 125.

Our trend is bad and has been for years. So what does that say about the spurs that we've been that poor on that side of the ball for so long? Poor coaching? Poor talent? Poor drafting? Poor talent evaluation? Poor scheme? Poor roster construction? Poor development?

Spurs used to be hated for boring low scoring games, now we get run out of the gym nightly. Granted we don't have The Big Three anymore but we really haven't even been respectable since neph decided to drop a duece on this franchise leading to LMA's season saving efforts on both ends. That was Pop's bread and butter and routinely had him call a TO to roast then bench someone for missing one assignment. Perhaps the game has just left pop behind...?

[offset formation]

^^^

On that note, WTF do we still have Poeltl (and other vets) on the roster? Wasn't it ostensibly for defense and to help teach the youngsters proper rotations and positioning as a vet out on the court?

Yet clearly we suck balls there.

Take what you can get for him and move on. If the rooks and young guns are not going to start playing defense, then ship their asses out.

Our defense is just fucking horrendous. Can't stay in front of anyone. Can't defend in transition (except Sochan and occasionally Johnson). Can't play man. Can't make proper rotations. Can't slip into zone without leaving horrible back door cuts with wide open lanes. Can't switch. Can't get out to shooters. **And the biggest one over the years, leave open or at least way too much space for the other team's best or hottest player.** Sean talks about this all the damn time.** It's like they're fucking clueless about who not to leave open for a 3 or easy dribble drive to the hoop.

Buddy Hield says hello.

[MultiTroll]

Holy crap, I just realized the jazz got the wolves 23 frp fully unprotected and that the wolves are presently sitting at 8th giving Utah a 26% chance at a top 4 pick.
Exstatic this does not sound accurate.

Could you please verify the numbers?
Or if Utah does indeed have a 26% chance please note.

[The Truth #6]

From a glance at Tankathon’s draft simulation, they seem to have the Wolves pick this year, yes.

[duncan2150]

From a glance at Tankathon’s draft simulation, they seem to have the Wolves pick this year, yes.

I think that Multitroll is talking about the odds but their pick is the 10th now so they give Utah a 11.7% of the top four( not 26%).

Like i said i'm not too concerned about Minny they will not be a top 6 bottom team.

[rankingtear]

^^^

On that note, WTF do we still have Poeltl (and other vets) on the roster? Wasn't it ostensibly for defense and to help teach the youngsters proper rotations and positioning as a vet out on the court?

Yet clearly we suck balls there.

Take what you can get for him and move on. If the rooks and young guns are not going to start playing defense, then ship their asses out.

Our defense is just fucking horrendous. Can't stay in front of anyone. Can't defend in transition (except Sochan and occasionally Johnson). Can't play man. Can't make proper rotations. Can't slip into zone without leaving horrible back door cuts with wide open lanes. Can't switch. Can't get out to shooters. **And the biggest one over the years, leave open or at least way too much space for the other team's best or hottest player.** Sean talks about this all the damn time.** It's like they're fucking clueless about who not to leave open for a 3 or easy dribble drive to the hoop.

Buddy Hield says hello.

There is definitely improvement. December starting lineup is +13 with 94 defensive rating. The bench defense sucks but you are going to rebuild that anyway.

[exstatic]

Good loss. Everyone matters!

One troubling thing though that I've been harping on for years, is the teams descent into a poor defensive team. It's seemingly been bad since LMA salvaged that season neph took a shit on the Spurs franchise. And it's been getting worse every year.

Used to be Spurs could hang their hat on that end of the floor even if the shots weren't going down on any given night.

As of tonight, spurs now have the worst +/- in the league and it's not even close. We are -2.7 pts behind the second worst team (Det) and -3 behind the next closest (Rockets).

To put that into perspective, we are now ~50% worse than any other team in the +/-.

Total PPG are also nearly 3 points worse than any other team (121 PPG). Other stats like fastbreak points also point to our decline.

I'm all about losing our asses off, but even if we get Wembanyama, I'm not sure we win many games 130 - 125.

Our trend is bad and has been for years. So what does that say about the spurs that we've been that poor on that side of the ball for so long? Poor coaching? Poor talent? Poor drafting? Poor talent evaluation? Poor scheme? Poor roster construction? Poor development?

Spurs used to be hated for boring low scoring games, now we get run out of the gym nightly. Granted we don't have The Big Three anymore but we really haven't even been respectable since neph decided to drop a duece on this franchise leading to LMA's season saving efforts on both ends. That was Pop's bread and butter and routinely had him call a TO to roast then bench someone for missing one assignment. Perhaps the game has just left pop behind...?
It’s not rocket science. Summer of 2021, we trade an All Star. Summer of 2022, we trade another All Star, and an All D selection, youngest ever. The game isn’t passing Pop by, the roster has been deconstructed. Why should he yell at guys who aren’t capable of playing high level D?

THE. SPURS. ARE. TANKING.

[offset formation]

It’s not rocket science. Summer of 2021, we trade an All Star. Summer of 2022, we trade another All Star, and an All D selection, youngest ever. The game isn’t passing Pop by, the roster has been deconstructed. Why should he yell at guys who aren’t capable of playing high level D?

THE. SPURS. ARE. TANKING.

Yes we are tanking and I'm all for it. Our defensive woes began well before 2021. I don't and have not seen the same fire from pop about defensive lapses in years either.

I can recall only a few over the past several years. Bryn once. White once. Rudy once. Johnson twice.

Granted I have only seen a few games this year but I'm guessing he's been quiet based on his praise for their effort and hustle lately in post game interviews.

[The Truth #6]

If they are preparing for getting Victor, it makes me wonder if they want to keep all of these veterans around and just not play them as much (rather than trade them) to keep them if they somehow got Victor… Seems like a lot of low chance scenarios, but it makes me wonder if they’re actually thinking this way and their reluctance to not trade yak extends to Josh and Doug as well.

[JPB]

If they are preparing for getting Victor, it makes me wonder if they want to keep all of these veterans around and just not play them as much (rather than trade them) to keep them if they somehow got Victor… Seems like a lot of low chance scenarios, but it makes me wonder if they’re actually thinking this way and their reluctance to not trade yak extends to Josh and Doug as well.

Situation will be clearer after the trade deadline.

[The Truth #6]

True. And the draft lottery.

[John B]

Tankers here want to lose but lose with face :lmao

Competing while losing is hard enough, we want us to be tough defensive team as well :lmao While being the 3rd youngest team in the league

[slick'81]

Tankers here want to lose but lose with face :lmao

Competing while losing is hard enough, we want us to be tough defensive team as well :lmao While being the 3rd youngest team in the league

fck that:lol just fckn lose. Competition is for sucka's

[Mr. Body]

Tankers here want to lose but lose with face :lmao

Competing while losing is hard enough, we want us to be tough defensive team as well :lmao While being the 3rd youngest team in the league

They're the worst defense in the NBA and it's fucking atrocious. I don't mind losing, but being punted around like chihuahuas is embarrassing. Our players are still paid millions -- they need some effort.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Na, if anything our D needs to get worse.

We are in danger of falling out of the bottom four. Some of these guys and Pop are just dumb enough to screw around and win enough games to get out of those bottom four slots, and waste another season of mediocrity.

[Mr. Body]

Na, if anything our D needs to get worse.

We are in danger of falling out of the bottom four. Some of these guys and Pop are just dumb enough to screw around and win enough games to get out of those bottom four slots, and waste another season of mediocrity.

Will you shit your pants then?

[cd98]

Our D will get much better once we have Wembanyama as our starting center. For now, we need a layup line defense to get him. We need more destruction like the Nets did to the Spurs. That will get us to the promised land.

[offset formation]

Tankers here want to lose but lose with face :lmao

Competing while losing is hard enough, we want us to be tough defensive team as well :lmao While being the 3rd youngest team in the league

I'm guessing you were replying to my post on defensive incompetence. If so, @ me bro...

Now to be clear, I don't give two fucks about our current defensive position. We are in the midst in the long term of absolutely un-Spurs like basketball and its clear we are and are likely to remain a poor defensive basketball team. And given the current roster, not sure one guy, even as long as Wembanyama is, turns that around. So I'm concerned about the trend and the lack of any flashes for improvement....Not the current situation.

The ability in debate to allow for context is a lost art.

[scott]

Yes we are tanking and I'm all for it. Our defensive woes began well before 2021. I don't and have not seen the same fire from pop about defensive lapses in years either.

I can recall only a few over the past several years. Bryn once. White once. Rudy once. Johnson twice.

Granted I have only seen a few games this year but I'm guessing he's been quiet based on his praise for their effort and hustle lately in post game interviews.

Seems like the fire altogether is gone from Pop aside from the occasional flare up. The Mavs game was a good example IMO. We lose by 1 after having multiple chance to extend or win the game, and immediately after Pop goes over with a big smile and hugs it out with Jason Kidd. Losses don't bother him. Sloppy play doesn't seem to bother him. He is just enjoying "teaching" and obviously feels zero pressure.

With that said, IMO he has earned the right to do this... whereas the Pop haters will use this as a reason why he has to go. Honestly this is the best headspace for Pop to be in as we tank.

[ambchang]

Honestly don’t have any issues with the spurs losing games or even losing huge. As long as the younger players improve, I’m happy as a fan. Sochan seems to be progressing. Vassell is taking a notable leap this year on offence, Johnson seems to be really stretching his ability. There are some nice rehab cases in Roby, S Johnson at times. Poetl has shown flashes of being a high tier centre. Tre Jones is a serviceable PG who can be a good backup for a decent team.

I’m concerned about the defensive side of things like everybody else, especially when we are supposedly stocked with good defensive players, but that is about building a young team where they learn to communicate and play together.

This is how small markets roll. You look at the blazers, kings, wolves, pacers, thunder, magic, pistons, hornets and even medium sized markets like the wizards, hawks, pels, Mavs and rockets, this is the path to go. Take huge risks and hope things stick. They don’t more often than not and most teams are stuck in the middle.

My suggestion is to get used to it and just hope lightning strikes multiple times when everything goes right for another ring.

[dbestpro]

They're the worst defense in the NBA and it's fucking atrocious. I don't mind losing, but being punted around like chihuahuas is embarrassing. Our players are still paid millions -- they need some effort.

Is punting chihuahua's a thing? I mean, is it like a sport or something? Do they do it in an Octagon?

[rascal]

It’s not rocket science. Summer of 2021, we trade an All Star. Summer of 2022, we trade another All Star, and an All D selection, youngest ever. The game isn’t passing Pop by, the roster has been deconstructed. Why should he yell at guys who aren’t capable of playing high level D?

THE. SPURS. ARE. TANKING.

Don't forget not using cap space to add anyone significant to the roster.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1613657901457080322

[wildbill2u]

It's easy to complain about the FO and Pop failing to completely have an attitude that the "tank" comes first and foremost without regard to putting a reasonably entertaining team on the floor every night. The NBA is an entertainment business and you have to put some fans who are willing to pay to put their butts in those expensive seats night after night in order to pay some bills.

Losing by 50 in order to MAYBE get a superstar in the lottery isn't going to get those paying fans into the arena. Ticket prices aren't cheap and a night at the game also probably includes some refreshments, maybe dinner out before or after the game plus parking.

Not to mention that the rookies and young players aren't gonna learn much of anything if every move by the coaches is designed to make them lose and look bad. Frankly, I like to see the youngster scrap and claw to win some games, even when they come up short.

[ace3g]

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[Thomas82]

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We need to make up some ground soon.

[exstatic]

We need to make up some ground soon.

I don’t see us finishing any higher than 4th. OTOH, it’s going to be very difficult for teams behind us to catch up. We’re essentially 2.5 behind the big clump at 1-3, and 3 ahead of Orlando.

[JPB]

there are basically 4 teams fighting hard for that bottom 4, and spurs are best of them so far...

So yeah, you tank, you suck. All the time... Those 3 other ones are badly sucking too, while Orlando or OKC a few games above (I'll leave LA on the side) are showing just enough of the competitiveness and intensity some people here are waiting for to win more games...

Would the spurs play a bit better, they would win a bit more... We joke about it in game threads but you can't expect players to compete the whole game then drop it at the end, or calculate how good they should play to be good, but not to good so they still lose. that doesn't work like that... It's whole tanking dynamics and atmosphere. The NBA is such a comptetitive league that just a tad less of intensity and cohesion (eventually due to a coach choices) and you're punished.

[JPB]

To that, I 'll also add that I'll never really been a pro-tank guy, but since that's the path spurs chose to take, might as well go all in and badly suck...You can still individually develop players in or outside of the games, which is what is happening...

There's no point risking missing on a gem (Victor, Scoot or maybe some other guy) because of the 3-5 more games being worry of putting a decent product on the floor might cost you... I understand fans frustration but nobody will remember or care about this year if Spurs indeed get a gem.

[John B]

It’s the Wins over Rockets (twice) and Detroit that is so dumbfounding, where I think Rockets was up on the 3rd quarter and conveniently pulled Sengun to nosedive and lose the game?? I’m sure it’s against every nature of Pop’s DNA to deliberately throw for not playing the right way, then play Barlow, Blake, Bassey. Two can tango.

[AFBlue]

Need the trade deals for Richardson, Poeltl and McDermott to manifest now. Waiting until the deadline is playing with fire. Now that Wesley is back as the second PG and Malaki has come on offensively, hopefully they feel better about dealing Richardson and McDermott respectively.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Need the trade deals for Richardson, Poeltl and McDermott to manifest now. Waiting until the deadline is playing with fire. Now that Wesley is back as the second PG and Malaki has come on offensively, hopefully they feel better about dealing Richardson and McDermott respectively.

All 3 have been helping their value lately. I’d say McDermott has surpassed Richardson as an attractive acquisition for a contender.

[John B]

I’m okay with dealing all 3 if they’re helping with the senseless wins. Spurs need to outtank Houston, Magic and Hornets who have more recent top picks yet still with worst records. They’re not the only one who can play the game. And if Spurs are tanking, just do it the right way and not adding to the odds on missing out on top picks

[exstatic]

All 3 have been helping their value lately. I’d say McDermott has surpassed Richardson as an attractive acquisition for a contender.

Nah. JRich actually plays defense, which is pretty important for contenders going deep in the playoffs.

[JeffDuncan]

Need the trade deals for Richardson, Poeltl and McDermott to manifest now. Waiting until the deadline is playing with fire. Now that Wesley is back as the second PG and Malaki has come on offensively, hopefully they feel better about dealing Richardson and McDermott respectively.


I would seriously explore sending Richardson to Memphis for Danny Green. At no other time would that make sense, but this year it does.

The salaries are close. Danny at 10M, Richardson at 12M. Both expiring. Should be easy enough to work out. Maybe try to wangle a 2nd round pick for the Spurs. Of course the main thing is the highest possible draft pick this year, in the 1st round, so an additional pick from this deal would be rather trivial and nothing to worry about.

Danny isn’t going to do much, if anything, for the Grizz. Richardson could do them some good. The Grizz should like that.

And if Danny doesn’t do anything on the court for the Spurs, that’s fine. Not a problem this season. Even better, he would not take playing time away from the kids.

Danny knows a lot about the NBA so he could help mentor the youngsters. That could be stated as the reason for wanting him back. Then, as I recall, Danny was good with the media, too.

Sound reasonable to anybody else?

[spurs10]

I would seriously explore sending Richardson to Memphis for Danny Green. At no other time would that make sense, but this year it does.

The salaries are close. Danny at 10M, Richardson at 12M. Both expiring. Should be easy enough to work out. Maybe try to wangle a 2nd round pick for the Spurs. Of course the main thing is the highest possible draft pick this year, in the 1st round, so an additional pick from this deal would be rather trivial and nothing to worry about.

Danny isn’t going to do much, if anything, for the Grizz. Richardson could do them some good. The Grizz should like that.

And if Danny doesn’t do anything on the court for the Spurs, that’s fine. Not a problem this season. Even better, he would not take playing time away from the kids.

Danny knows a lot about the NBA so he could help mentor the youngsters. That could be stated as the reason for wanting him back. Then, as I recall, Danny was good with the media, too.

Sound reasonable to anybody else? Not unreasonable at all. Spurs are looking to rebuild, so it's going to come down to picks, otherwise they should hold onto JR. Love to haver Danny back in town though.

[Thomas82]

I don’t see us finishing any higher than 4th. OTOH, it’s going to be very difficult for teams behind us to catch up. We’re essentially 2.5 behind the big clump at 1-3, and 3 ahead of Orlando.

I already know. A couple of those wins cost us. SMH

[slick'81]

I already know. A couple of those wins cost us. SMH

just lose baby

[MultiTroll]

Kobme Johnson leading the way again.

Keep featuring him in your offensive strategy Popped. :clap

[KingKev]

Kobme Johnson leading the way again.

Keep featuring him in your offensive strategy Popped. :clap

Perfect tank commander. Thanks goodness that contract de-escalates. Dejounte (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51342) crying in his dormitory.

[Dejounte]

Perfect tank commander. Thanks goodness that contract de-escalates. Dejounte (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51342) crying in his dormitory.

Ah, this white guy who tries so hard to act black is calling for my attention again. Do yourself a favor and find real purpose outside of trying to constantly feed your ego on this forum. Nobody cares about you watching NBA teams besides the Spurs when you barely ever have anything basketball related to contribute. Stick with your smartass comments or running away from people with your tail under your legs whenever you get called out. Those are the only two things you’re good at.

[offset formation]

I would seriously explore sending Richardson to Memphis for Danny Green. At no other time would that make sense, but this year it does.

The salaries are close. Danny at 10M, Richardson at 12M. Both expiring. Should be easy enough to work out. Maybe try to wangle a 2nd round pick for the Spurs. Of course the main thing is the highest possible draft pick this year, in the 1st round, so an additional pick from this deal would be rather trivial and nothing to worry about.

Danny isn’t going to do much, if anything, for the Grizz. Richardson could do them some good. The Grizz should like that.

And if Danny doesn’t do anything on the court for the Spurs, that’s fine. Not a problem this season. Even better, he would not take playing time away from the kids.

Danny knows a lot about the NBA so he could help mentor the youngsters. That could be stated as the reason for wanting him back. Then, as I recall, Danny was good with the media, too.

Sound reasonable to anybody else?

Reasonable to me. Bet Green would rather have a run at another ring so he might not like it.

But, it might make Pop start yelling at players again just having Green back. Maybe we'd stop haci g the worst defense again just on that alone.

[KingKev]

Ah, this white guy who tries so hard to act black is calling for my attention again. Do yourself a favor and find real purpose outside of trying to constantly feed your ego on this forum. Nobody cares about you watching NBA teams besides the Spurs when you barely ever have anything basketball related to contribute. Stick with your smartass comments or running away from people with your tail under your legs whenever you get called out. Those are the only two things you’re good at.

I woke him out of his shell boys and gals!! Only comes around on a 3 game win streak to pump his own tires.

[Dejounte]

I woke him out of his shell boys and gals!! Only comes around on a 3 game win streak to pump his own tires.

Sooo not only we have Malibu’s Most Wanted with you, but apparently you also have a mind of a 10 year old who craves online cred. Got it.

[KingKev]

Sooo not only we have Malibu’s Most Wanted with you, but apparently you also have a mind of a 10 year old who craves online cred. Got it.

eng boys are so sensitive!! You should fraternize even when you are wrong baby girl. timvp can always change your moniker

[BacktoBasics]

eng boys are so sensitive!! You should fraternize even when you are wrong baby girl. timvp can always change your moniker

I’ve said before that the majority of your posts are simply looking to get a rise out of people because you’re a bit of a punk bitch and cunt.

You just can’t talk ball. You gotta bitch it up and antagonize. Idk I think you got problems outside of the board that you need to address. The way you act here and communicate with people is disturbing and honestly kinda shitty.

It’s like you got bullied in real life and needed to project that into escalating shit on a forum because it’s cathartic.

[Thomas82]

We should also keep an eye on his little brother Oscar Wembanyama for 3-4 years down the road. Right now he's 6'6" at 15 years old.

[Rocalcio]

I would seriously explore sending Richardson to Memphis for Danny Green. At no other time would that make sense, but this year it does.

The salaries are close. Danny at 10M, Richardson at 12M. Both expiring. Should be easy enough to work out. Maybe try to wangle a 2nd round pick for the Spurs. Of course the main thing is the highest possible draft pick this year, in the 1st round, so an additional pick from this deal would be rather trivial and nothing to worry about.

Danny isn’t going to do much, if anything, for the Grizz. Richardson could do them some good. The Grizz should like that.

And if Danny doesn’t do anything on the court for the Spurs, that’s fine. Not a problem this season. Even better, he would not take playing time away from the kids.

Danny knows a lot about the NBA so he could help mentor the youngsters. That could be stated as the reason for wanting him back. Then, as I recall, Danny was good with the media, too.

Sound reasonable to anybody else?


Green is done, there is no upgrade in bringing him back. And considering the way Richardson plays these days, I really believe he can bring us a 1st round pick.

[JeffDuncan]

Green is done, there is no upgrade in bringing him back. And considering the way Richardson plays these days, I really believe he can bring us a 1st round pick.


If they can get a 1st round pick for Richardson that is absolutely the way to go, no doubt.

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We should also keep an eye on his little brother Oscar Wembanyama for 3-4 years down the road. Right now he's 6'6" at 15 years old.

Sweet. If we miss on his bro odds are we'll still be a very high lottery team in 4 years.

[Ariel]

Sweet. If we miss on his bro odds are we'll still be a very high lottery team in 4 years.
That sounds really encouraging, thank you :shootme

On the other hand, it may come from one of the Hawks' picks... never mind, happy again :lol

[JPB]

I’ve said before that the majority of your posts are simply looking to get a rise out of people because you’re a bit of a punk bitch and cunt.

You just can’t talk ball. You gotta bitch it up and antagonize. Idk I think you got problems outside of the board that you need to address. The way you act here and communicate with people is disturbing and honestly kinda shitty.

It’s like you got bullied in real life and needed to project that into escalating shit on a forum because it’s cathartic.

I should probaly stay away from this but for the sake of it, it is true there's a couple of guys here who don't come to really debate about spurs or care about others take but to systematically inveigh, aggress, insult, bully everybody and anybody, including anything spurs, just following the "you're all a bunch of dumbasses, I'm a fucking genius' mantra..."

I tought we were past that nowadays, but since there's no point arguing with these kind of guys, the only answer is: "ignore button". Crazy how it cleans the chat.

[heyheymymy]

Wait there is a Wemby brother!?

Ready for this Oscar/Victor front court, 2030s spurs dynasty. Hologram Pop.

[Chomag]

I'm down for a Wemby family lol

[Thomas82]

Sweet. If we miss on his bro odds are we'll still be a very high lottery team in 4 years.

Yeah, I'll definitely take those odds.

[Thomas82]

Wait there is a Wemby brother!?

Ready for this Oscar/Victor front court, 2030s spurs dynasty. Hologram Pop.

Yeah, and he plays for ASVEL now.

[Thomas82]

Sweet. If we miss on his bro odds are we'll still be a very high lottery team in 4 years.

He's playing for ASVEL now too, so I would think the Spurs have the scoop on him too.

[exstatic]

I should probaly stay away from this but for the sake of it, it is true there's a couple of guys here who don't come to really debate about spurs or care about others take but to systematically inveigh, aggress, insult, bully everybody and anybody, including anything spurs, just following the "you're all a bunch of dumbasses, I'm a fucking genius' mantra..."

I tought we were past that nowadays, but since there's no point arguing with these kind of guys, the only answer is: "ignore button". Crazy how it cleans the chat.

I’d love an ignore THREAD button.

[exstatic]

Wait there is a Wemby brother!?

Ready for this Oscar/Victor front court, 2030s spurs dynasty. Hologram Pop.

There’s always a shitty brother that you have to accommodate for your Star. I think Greek freak has two.

[KingKev]

Lol some of you post stupid takes vehemently and get caught in horribles takes easily verified by google. Who is ignoring who?!? It is fun to clown on clowns

The dumb-assess who make everything about politics like B2B are a different kind of stupid.

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He's playing for ASVEL now too, so I would think the Spurs have the scoop on him too.

Was completely ignorant to his existence until this thread. And it sounds like he may be good too. Awesome.

[offset formation]

My view is that this place is finally largely, or at least more often than not, about basketball nowadays.

There was a time back around 2015 or so that this board was chock full of the most childish and immature posters I'd ever run across in my time in fan forums. And fan forums are generally chock full of that kind of person anyways.

And I think that the reason it's not as bad as it used to be is that you now have to be an actual fan (instead of a bandwagoneer of the Big Three era) to still root for the Spurs, who let's face it, have been anywhere from mediocre to now full on sucking for the past 5+ years.

I get your point about there being an underlying mean-spiritedness in some posters but such is life, right?

As for any political stuff, I'll acknowledge my own willingness to chop it up here once someone makes an ignorant (often times demonstrably false) comment, but I never start the road to a political discourse. And I think the board generally veers away from politics here because there is another forum for that here anyway. But given the times, it's almost fantasy to assume politics won't rear its head in the rest of society, including in this forum.

[Jordan Jackson]

The last few weeks of the season some of you are going to need blood pressure medication. When other teams start to shut down for the playoffs or enter tank mode and the Spurs start picking up trivial wins. Should be a good time around here.

I’m cautiously optimistic about a bottom four finish.

[offset formation]

The last few weeks of the season some of you are going to need blood pressure medication. When other teams start to shut down for the playoffs or enter tank mode and the Spurs start picking up trivial wins. Should be a good time around here.

I’m cautiously optimistic about a bottom four finish.

Our only hope is that Orlando continues winning at a decent clip to stay in the top 4 because I think you're dead on accurate that we will pick up stupid wins at the end.

What's scary is if that ball hits on one of the lower lottery teams in the 7 or 8 range. I think OKC or even Orlando could be scary good if they manage to get Wembanyama.

Or doomsday for the NBA is if the Lakers stay in the lottery and the Pelicans (owning Lakers pick) manage to get him.

[exstatic]

The last few weeks of the season some of you are going to need blood pressure medication. When other teams start to shut down for the playoffs or enter tank mode and the Spurs start picking up trivial wins. Should be a good time around here.

I’m cautiously optimistic about a bottom four finish.

No one is catching us from behind, and we aren’t catching any of the terrible three. We will finish in 4th position. It’s far too late to start tanking now, and certainly too late at the deadline.

[BacktoBasics]

Lol some of you post stupid takes vehemently and get caught in horribles takes easily verified by google. Who is ignoring who?!? It is fun to clown on clowns

The dumb-assess who make everything about politics like B2B are a different kind of stupid.
I’d prefer you leave politics out of it but people like you are content to make this place as miserable as possible. You’re a shit starter and for no good reason other than you’re a miserable asshole who isn’t happy unless you’re making other people miserable.

For sure you’re someone’s or multiple peoples whipping boy in real life. This is your outlet right? Get walked on in real life so chest thump from behind a screen to make yourself feel better.

Little cuck bitch.

[illusioNtEk]

I’d prefer you leave politics out of it

silence is violence.... stand up for your freedoms and fight against evil. fighting for the right to live in peace is not politics.

[Thomas82]

Was completely ignorant to his existence until this thread. And it sounds like he may be good too. Awesome.

There have been some whispers that he could possibly be better than Victor, but we'll have to wait and see how he develops.

[BacktoBasics]

silence is violence.... stand up for your freedoms and fight against evil. fighting for the right to live in peace is not politics.
Are you aware this is a basketball forum? Kinda seems like you haven’t figured that out. I don’t know what it is with you people and your sense of entitlement but the entire world is not your toilet to shit in whenever it pleases you.

Ironically you’re the same group whining about ca-ca culture. Read the room fucktard. Talk basketball and find a more appropriate platform for the other shit.

[Spursfanfromafar]

No one is catching us from behind, and we aren’t catching any of the terrible three. We will finish in 4th position. It’s far too late to start tanking now, and certainly too late at the deadline.

I wish the Spurs can coax the Suns to make a trade for a unprotected first rounder. The Suns under James Jones haven't been interested in building through the draft that much and maybe if they can be tempted to trade for Josh Richardson and give up a 1st rounder.. there is a good chance that it could help the Spurs get another lottery pick to improve their odds a bit more.

[jjspur]

I like Richardson, decent offensively and defensively but unfortunately he doesn't fit the spurs timeline being a slightly older player. That being said, he's a valuable vet just probably more valuable to a veteran playoff bound team. Not sure he's seen as worth a #1 pick but he should be worth 2 number 2 picks. Lots of variables in trading a player, salary probably being the most important. Most teams don't have cap space and the few that do are in the same boat we are, trying to get the best deal on a player who for whatever reason doesn't quite fit. Many teams could use his services, but its what we get back which is the hard part. We'll see what happens come the deadline. Wish him the best whatever happens as he's been one of the better surprises for the spurs this season.

[exstatic]

I like Richardson, decent offensively and defensively but unfortunately he doesn't fit the spurs timeline being a slightly older player. That being said, he's a valuable vet just probably more valuable to a veteran playoff bound team. Not sure he's seen as worth a #1 pick but he should be worth 2 number 2 picks. Lots of variables in trading a player, salary probably being the most important. Most teams don't have cap space and the few that do are in the same boat we are, trying to get the best deal on a player who for whatever reason doesn't quite fit. Many teams could use his services, but its what we get back which is the hard part. We'll see what happens come the deadline. Wish him the best whatever happens as he's been one of the better surprises for the spurs this season.

If we can get a FRP for the #38 pick and the corpse of Thad Young last year, we should hold out for one for JRich.

[Rocalcio]

There have been some whispers that he could possibly be better than Victor, but we'll have to wait and see how he develops.

France is stacked ! We’re going to dominate Basketball for decades !

[Thomas82]

France is stacked ! We’re going to dominate Basketball for decades !

I believe it.

[Mr. Body]

My view is that this place is finally largely, or at least more often than not, about basketball nowadays.

There was a time back around 2015 or so that this board was chock full of the most childish and immature posters I'd ever run across in my time in fan forums. And fan forums are generally chock full of that kind of person anyways.

And I think that the reason it's not as bad as it used to be is that you now have to be an actual fan (instead of a bandwagoneer of the Big Three era) to still root for the Spurs, who let's face it, have been anywhere from mediocre to now full on sucking for the past 5+ years.

I get your point about there being an underlying mean-spiritedness in some posters but such is life, right?

As for any political stuff, I'll acknowledge my own willingness to chop it up here once someone makes an ignorant (often times demonstrably false) comment, but I never start the road to a political discourse. And I think the board generally veers away from politics here because there is another forum for that here anyway. But given the times, it's almost fantasy to assume politics won't rear its head in the rest of society, including in this forum.

That was a time when posters delighted in calling each other f****t all the time. Being very racist. Crude, incel, alt-right stuff. SpurTalk had a reputation for being a cesspool. I remember confronting Timvp about it, but he seemed to really revel in awfulness. I've long thought he's kind of a childish edgelord, but maybe he's matured.

It's much better now. I don't mind ripping on each other. It was the disgusting alt-right shit that was dragging the site down.

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That was a time when posters delighted in calling each other f****t all the time. Being very racist. Crude, incel, alt-right stuff. SpurTalk had a reputation for being a cesspool. I remember confronting Timvp about it, but he seemed to really revel in awfulness. I've long thought he's kind of a childish edgelord, but maybe he's matured.

It's much better now. I don't mind ripping on each other. It was the disgusting alt-right shit that was dragging the site down.

This X 1,000,000,000. Spot on accurate take on the incel, homophobic, racist, and alt-right nonsense.

And it's disappointing to hear that timvp evidently authorized that shit, however passively. This place was reflective of the worst of fandom and I'm glad it's changed. Just hope it stays that way if we start winning again.

It's why I get a chuckle out of folks saying the board is in a bad place currently. This place is high-minded in comparison.

[BacktoBasics]

This X 1,000,000,000. Spot on accurate take on the incel, homophobic, racist, and alt-right nonsense.

And it's disappointing to hear that timvp evidently authorized that shit, however passively. This place was reflective of the worst of fandom and I'm glad it's changed. Just hope it stays that way if we start winning again.

It's why I get a chuckle out of folks saying the board is in a bad place currently. This place is high-minded in comparison.

It’s better in the regard that less people come here because the teams not performing well. If they were playing playoff ball we’d have a lot more malcontents here.

You guys are right about one thing. The far right, racist homophobic group is the problem. It always comes from that group.

[Thomas82]

The tank took a hit tonight.

[Rocalcio]

Have a look at his latest IG story, still watchable for 9h, the guy isn’t skinny…

[Rocalcio]

Have a look at his latest IG story, still watchable for 9h, the guy isn’t skinny…

For those who missed it, here is a French article where the picture is posted :

https://www.parlons-basket.com/2023/01/17/nba-france-torse-nu-le-physique-choc-de-victor-wembanyama-a-6-mois-de-la-draft-photo/

(Sorry I don't know how to post a pic' here...)

[Brazil]

For those who missed it, here is a French article where the picture is posted :

https://www.parlons-basket.com/2023/01/17/nba-france-torse-nu-le-physique-choc-de-victor-wembanyama-a-6-mois-de-la-draft-photo/

(Sorry I don't know how to post a pic' here...)

The upper body will never be an issue for his health so he is kinda skinny jacked but what matters is legs, lower back and knees. Nevertheless it shows dude is taking seriously his fitness program.

[Brazil]

France is stacked ! We’re going to dominate Basketball for decades !

Hold your horses but it is looking good especially if we land Embiid :lol

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The tank took a hit tonight.

There's absolutely zero reason that all three of Poeltl, Richardson, and McB should still be on this team. At least 2 of those guys should be gone and if they were we'd be in last place, or certainly in the bottom 3.

[CGD]

There's absolutely zero reason that all three of Poeltl, Richardson, and McB should still be on this team. At least 2 of those guys should be gone and if they were we'd be in last place, or certainly in the bottom 3.

Well they’re pretty damn close with them on the team.

Only one I think would be malpractice not to move is Richardson. I can see them wanting to figure out another deal with Jakob in the summer, and they have another year to move Doug.

[Rocalcio]

Hold your horses but it is looking good especially if we land Embiid :lol

Not sure I'd like Embiid, the guy acts like a prostitue by getting all nationalities possible and I'm afraid he would condition his choice on the fact that the team will have to play by his rules. And actually, with Gobert and Wembanyama we might nit need him in the future.

[Brazil]

Not sure I'd like Embiid, the guy acts like a prostitue by getting all nationalities possible and I'm afraid he would condition his choice on the fact that the team will have to play by his rules. And actually, with Gobert and Wembanyama we might nit need him in the future.

You don't pass up this kind of impact player tbh... you find a way to make it work

[Ariel]

What is Embiid's connection to France? Wasn't born in France, I believe he didn't live or play in France, I doubt his ancestors are French... so what is left? he eats french fries? he french kisses his wife? Really kind of shameful France needs to do this to be successful in sports. Wembanyama, Gobert & the rest of the players born & raised in France aren't enough? This kind of takes away any meaning in whatever success they can achieve, if this is how you do it.

[Sugus]

What is Embiid's connection to France? Wasn't born in France, I believe he didn't live or play in France, I doubt his ancestors are French... so what is left? he eats french fries? he french kisses his wife? Really kind of shameful France needs to do this to be successful in sports. Wembanyama, Gobert & the rest of the players born & raised in France aren't enough? This kind of takes away any meaning in whatever success they can achieve, if this is how you do it.

Escuchen, corran la bola...

:music

[Sugus]

Lol some of you post stupid takes vehemently and get caught in horribles takes easily verified by google. Who is ignoring who?!? It is fun to clown on clowns

The dumb-assess who make everything about politics like B2B are a different kind of stupid.

It's wholly preferrable to have posters posting "stupid takes" that are basketball, and Spurs, related, than to have the smartest and wittiest of personal insults and retorts flying around constantly (and no shit-talking poster on SpursTalk is on that level or close to it, btw). I'd rather talk ball all day on a basketball forum and take my need for fighting others to the places where it belongs, if at all.

And it's ironic that you complain about posters making "everything about politics" when you're notorious yourself for getting personal with other posters, and straight up insulting others and the Spurs players & front office, whilst also having a PFP that heavily displays an American, right-wing profile. Like, pot and kettle kind of thing, don't you think?

Just my 2c.

[KingKev]

It's wholly preferrable to have posters posting "stupid takes" that are basketball, and Spurs, related, than to have the smartest and wittiest of personal insults and retorts flying around constantly (and no shit-talking poster on SpursTalk is on that level or close to it, btw). I'd rather talk ball all day on a basketball forum and take my need for fighting others to the places where it belongs, if at all.

And it's ironic that you complain about posters making "everything about politics" when you're notorious yourself for getting personal with other posters, and straight up insulting others and the Spurs players & front office, whilst also having a PFP that heavily displays an American, right-wing profile. Like, pot and kettle kind of thing, don't you think?

Just my 2c.

I seldom read your posts (novels) because you can’t ever get to the point without writing a 1000 word babbling essay… and yes my PFP is myself; a Canadian centrist who doesn’t come to this site to deal with politically motivated rants from any side of the aisle. Your PFP is a hippie. Makes sense.

[Thomas82]

There's absolutely zero reason that all three of Poeltl, Richardson, and McB should still be on this team. At least 2 of those guys should be gone and if they were we'd be in last place, or certainly in the bottom 3.

My thoughts exactly!! The best time to trade Poeltl was either at the last trade deadline or over the summer. The other 2 definitely shouldn't have lasted this long.

[Brazil]

What is Embiid's connection to France? Wasn't born in France, I believe he didn't live or play in France, I doubt his ancestors are French... so what is left? he eats french fries? he french kisses his wife? Really kind of shameful France needs to do this to be successful in sports. Wembanyama, Gobert & the rest of the players born & raised in France aren't enough? This kind of takes away any meaning in whatever success they can achieve, if this is how you do it.

Embiid gained French nationality in July or something, he is from Cameroon, speaks French but never lived in France. His mother Christine is French tho and I think he has family in France. That's about it. On a side note he also recently gained US nationality, as he has never played for a national team he is eligible for both US and France. Not sure he has made up his mind.

[scott]

What's wild is that apparently the biggest difference between the Nets (a contender) and the Spurs (a bottom dweller) is two players (superstars, granted). That's it. Just need to get lucky and find those two superstars (easier said than done).

[illusioNtEk]

https://scontent-hou1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/324183845_658335419361464_4449536951368418983_n.jp g?stp=dst-jpg_p843x403&_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=MCsEnnl6xoMAX9B0_18&_nc_ht=scontent-hou1-1.xx&oh=00_AfDMlJEWvjVHN-uBk1io-7ImF85wWkLW4nkAap0rSoptsg&oe=63CCB9AE

[heyheymymy]

^shit Id argue that lean, bound muscle like that is better that watery bulk gains swole as they may be. Kinda reminds me of George Hill's build, dude was a greyhound, total machine out there imo tbh

[heyheymymy]

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/3zBSeCBnJMc9Yd5aPuSM4IXiAMg=/0x413:2290x1877/1200x800/filters:focal(962x1542:1328x1908)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/66719113/83745150.jpg.0.jpg

[KingKev]

That probably isn’t far off from his natural physique. Run a clean, 5k caloric intake for 2-3yrs in addition to all the the physical training/tutelage and he will be a fking freak.

[heyheymymy]

Ripped lean and totally shredded like that also bodes well for potentially bearing the physical impact workload of the heavier NBA season. It's a great start conditioning wise

[Rocalcio]

What is Embiid's connection to France? Wasn't born in France, I believe he didn't live or play in France, I doubt his ancestors are French... so what is left? he eats french fries? he french kisses his wife? Really kind of shameful France needs to do this to be successful in sports. Wembanyama, Gobert & the rest of the players born & raised in France aren't enough? This kind of takes away any meaning in whatever success they can achieve, if this is how you do it.

The French Basketball Federation didn’t do, or asked for, anything in this matter. It just happened that they discovered Embiid was applying for the French nationality because it seems that he wants to play for a national team that can win something. Contacts have been established between him and the federation after that (Bobo being part of it and confirmed that talks were happening). But then the guy also got US nationality, so it looks like he doesn’t really know what he wants, and I’m not sure I want this kind of temper in the national team. Of course, as Brazil said, you don’t pass on such a player, but I hope he won’t bring a bad atmosphere to the team.

[tonight...you]

That probably isn’t far off from his natural physique. Run a clean, 5k caloric intake for 2-3yrs in addition to all the the physical training/tutelage and he will be a fking freak.
ALthough I'm no expert, I worry more about his base and his knees.

[Mr. Body]

Watching the Charlotte-Houston tilt. Like watching an open gym. Sloppy play, lots of turnovers, shots blocked.

Mark Williams has been recalled from G-League, it appears. He's big and looking good. I mean, in this game at least.

[Mr. Body]

LaMello falls with an ankle injury. I expect the Rockets to win tonight and Ball to miss time. May be the worst team we've ever seen.

[Sugus]

I seldom read your posts (novels) because you can’t ever get to the point without writing a 1000 word babbling essay… and yes my PFP is myself; a Canadian centrist who doesn’t come to this site to deal with politically motivated rants from any side of the aisle. Your PFP is a hippie. Makes sense.

Not surprised you can't be bothered with above-grade school text comprehension, tbh. Sad to hear you define yourself as a "Canadian centrist" and whatnot, as your posting paints quite the different picture. Anyways.

[Sugus]

LaMello falls with an ankle injury. I expect the Rockets to win tonight and Ball to miss time. May be the worst team we've ever seen.

Not even a LaMelo-less Hornets could gift these Rockettes a win, SMH. I don't remember seeing another team that sucked so solidly on every single level. Do people really think another lottery pick and a coaching change will be enough to right that ship? I'd be quite worried as a Rockettes fan...

[Dejounte]

Not even a LaMelo-less Hornets could gift these Rockettes a win, SMH. I don't remember seeing another team that sucked so solidly on every single level. Do people really think another lottery pick and a coaching change will be enough to right that ship? I'd be quite worried as a Rockettes fan...

https://twitter.com/RooshWilliams/status/1615853880276914178?

Recent John Wall interview:

(Rockets experience?) Trash. Beyond trash. I’m going there thinking James is gonna be there but he already wants out.

“We lost 20 in a row. We were trying to lose on purpose. Tanking. We started some dude named Justin Patton. Our starting lineup was me, David Nwaba, Jae’Sean Tate, Justin Patton, somebody else.”

“Don’t get used to this. This is not how the NBA is. Bad organization right now. They gotta fix some **** around. I always told Green/KPJ don’t get adjusted to this losing ****. That’s not how theleague is. At the same time, had to tell them the **** you’re getting away with here, go on any other team, you’d be out the league. You wouldn’t play. I’m trying to explain that to them because theythink it’s sweet.”

“2nd year, they didn’t want to play me at all. End of my first year, they said they want to bring me back, we love the way you’re leading the team, leadership for the young guys. I said “If God put me here to lead the young guys, that’s what it is but he didn’t put me here for y’all MFers to tank and me be a player that can still play and wasting my talent.”

“I would’ve been fine coming off the bench. Don’t just give the MFer the spot, let him earn it.”

“Coach said “How would you feel coming off the bench?” I said “For who? No offense but for who?” “This is what the GM wants. He wants you to play 10-15 minutes a game, sometimes don’t play.” I said I’m not doing that. Either you’re gonna guarantee me some minutes or I’m not. Let a MFer earn his spot. Coach said “You don’t deserve that, you should be a starter. This is what they want to do.” Well I’m not doing it. I’ll rehab, workout every day, stick around the team, come to meetings, fly with y’all, mentor the guys. Then it got to the point where don’t come around. They didn’t want me around. I had to work out at 7am before they got there. I’d be back home by 10:30 chilling all day. My kids are in Miami. ****, I can’t be here. I’m bored as ****. From 10:30 all day, I’m just chilling til the game at 7. I get there at 6:59. I ain’t playing. I already worked out for the day. I’m in a whole ‘nother place. Bro, this is boring as hell. I’mwasting money for no reason. I said let me go back to Miami. Get on a regular schedule, spend time with my kidseveryday until I get traded. I didn’t gettraded. Got a buyout and signed here.​

[Mr. Body]

Not even a LaMelo-less Hornets could gift these Rockettes a win, SMH. I don't remember seeing another team that sucked so solidly on every single level. Do people really think another lottery pick and a coaching change will be enough to right that ship? I'd be quite worried as a Rockettes fan...

Yeah, completely hopeless. Only two players I feel for are Gordon and Sengun. Gordon makes too much a year to be traded, but would be great on Denver, etc. Sengun is a smart, talented player. The rest have no idea what they're doing and don't care. Run and jump specialists. I don't see them winning another game by accident.

[mo7888]

Houston's problems all stem from ownership decisions... I don't see them becoming relevant anytime in the near future. They're about as trash of a team as I can remember..

It feels like we're locked in to the 4 spot pre-lottery. I'm not sure we can out-lose Detroit or Charlotte at this point..

[KobesAchilles]

Houston is a great example of how shitty ownership can ruin a franchise. There is no coming back from that unless they get Wemby. And even then they need a change to the whole damn leadership

[D-rob fan]

Not even a LaMelo-less Hornets could gift these Rockettes a win, SMH. I don't remember seeing another team that sucked so solidly on every single level. Do people really think another lottery pick and a coaching change will be enough to right that ship? I'd be quite worried as a Rockettes fan...

It actually benefits us that Charlotte won. The Spurs just need to be in the bottom three worst records to have the highest odds in the draft (14% odds). Fourth drops to 12.5% odds. Right now the bottom three are Houston (10 wins), Detroit and Charlotte (12 wins a piece). The Spurs (14 wins) are fourth. Let’s assume Houston will get the worst record. We just need to be worse than Detroit or Charlotte.

[Seventyniner]

It actually benefits us that Charlotte won. The Spurs just need to be in the bottom three worst records to have the highest odds in the draft (14% odds). Fourth drops to 12.5% odds. Right now the bottom three are Houston (10 wins), Detroit and Charlotte (12 wins a piece). The Spurs (14 wins) are fourth. Let’s assume Houston will get the worst record. We just need to be worse than Detroit or Charlotte.

Yup. We don't have to outrun the bear, we just have to outrun one of DET and CHA.

[Ariel]

Yup. We don't have to outrun the bear, we just have to outrun one of DET and CHA.
That's like saying we don't have to outrun the bear, we have to outrun 2 gazelles

[jjspur]

Houston is a great example of how shitty ownership can ruin a franchise. There is no coming back from that unless they get Wemby. And even then they need a change to the whole damn leadership

It all starts with decent coaching, and the rockets haven't had that in years. The rockets have "talent" but for all that talent all they have is 10 wins so far. My guess is that they'll have a new coach next year, someone a bit more experienced and willing to bench players when they don't play any defense. Some of their players don't seem to have a clue what defense is. Can they even spell defense ? :lol

[KobesAchilles]

It all starts with decent coaching, and the rockets haven't had that in years. The rockets have "talent" but for all that talent all they have is 10 wins so far. My guess is that they'll have a new coach next year someone a bit more experienced and willing to bench some players when they don't play any defense.
They badly need a point guard as well. Their whole philosophy is for the guards to jack up as many shots as they can without ball movement. KJP is the master of dribble the ball up court and take a 3 without passing it to anybody. Sengun is the only player that brings any type of ball movement on the team, but he's a center and can only do so much. If they can get a floor general then their ceiling will rise and they will actually start winning games.

But yeah I agree that Silas is done

[K...]

Sometimes i think people forget that Jerry Sloan got fired for fueding with a lottery pick. Sloan was pop before pop.

So when i hear “houston will bring in a coach who will bench the non performers“ i laugh. No coach is dumb enough to do that unless they have 100% ownership lock in. Even then its not worth it. Players always side with players, easy to fire coaches

[exstatic]

Sometimes i think people forget that Jerry Sloan got fired for fueding with a lottery pick. Sloan was pop before pop.

So when i hear “houston will bring in a coach who will bench the non performers“ i laugh. No coach is dumb enough to do that unless they have 100% ownership lock in. Even then its not worth it. Players always side with players, easy to fire coaches

Jerry Sloan wasn’t fired, he decided he had had enough of Deron Williams, and quit both Utah, and coaching in general at the age of 68. Shortly afterwards, Deron was the one sent packing.

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It all starts with decent coaching, and the rockets haven't had that in years. The rockets have "talent" but for all that talent all they have is 10 wins so far. My guess is that they'll have a new coach next year, someone a bit more experienced and willing to bench players when they don't play any defense. Some of their players don't seem to have a clue what defense is. Can they even spell defense ? :lol

You think they're bad, you should check out where the Spurs are presently.

[offset formation]

They badly need a point guard as well. Their whole philosophy is for the guards to jack up as many shots as they can without ball movement. KJP is the master of dribble the ball up court and take a 3 without passing it to anybody. Sengun is the only player that brings any type of ball movement on the team, but he's a center and can only do so much. If they can get a floor general then their ceiling will rise and they will actually start winning games.

But yeah I agree that Silas is done

Which is total Bullshit if he's just losing because that's what ownership wants to do. He may know exactly what needs to change to actually win and doing exactly the opposite for Titman Feridiot.

[Mr. Body]

Portland is looking terrible.

We're concentrating on the worst teams, but to me the real story will be the teams that are quietly awful that, in the second half of the season, finally admit this and start the tank.

There are teams that will wind up with a couple of good shots in the lottery, too, like Orlando.

[Mr. Body]

As a sign of how bad the league is right now, the 9th to the 19th teams have between 22 and 24 losses. There's a 25 loss team and two 26 loss teams. There are two 21 loss teams.

So not only is there a lot of mediocrity, there's a lot of potential for change.

[offset formation]

^^^

I'm just enjoying that neph, for all the money that Balmer has thrown at the roster, and all the nonsense his camp put into the world about his injury, he's still on a sub .500 team and he's only playing about 50% of the games on injury management. That puta can get fucked. His legacy is quickly being shit upon by pissed off Clipperfan.

[Mr. Body]

Kawhi forced the Paul George trade. George is good, but they'd be much better with SGA. I hate that OKC still gets swaps and picks -- Presti gets worshipped for a trade that wasn't his call.

[jjspur]

You think they're bad, you should check out where the Spurs are presently.

The rockets would need a 4 game win streak just to catch up to our record, however their biggest win streak this season is an amazing 2 games. Yeah we're bad but that's intentional (wink wink don't tell Adam Silver.) The team could easily get some decent players with our cap space or picks and possibly be a play in team much like last year. However management has chosen not to go that route so we can get a better pick in this years draft. I don't like all the tanking, but I understand why the team is doing it.

Even though the rockets have had some really high picks recently they are still really bad and that won't change until they getting better coaching or better management who hires better coaching.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

You think they're bad, you should check out where the Spurs are presently.

Compared to Houston the Spurs are in a great place right now. They own all of their 1st round picks and have 4 additional ones plus 2 swaps. Houston, on the other hand still owe OKC 2 picks and a swap from the Paul/Westbrook trade.

[Ariel]

Kawhi forced the Paul George trade. George is good, but they'd be much better with SGA. I hate that OKC still gets swaps and picks -- Presti gets worshipped for a trade that wasn't his call.
Pretty much every time a superstar forces a team to go all in, they get f*cked. Happened with Kawhi demanding Paul George, LeBron demanding Westbrook (and to a lesser degree AD too, though he gets saved by the anomalous bubble season that got them a title), KD with Kyrie & Harden, Harden himself at Houston (Chris Paul -> Westbrook -> Wall), etc. You can't bend over to the whims of a player who doesn't give a f*ck about the future of the franchise, because the second they're screwed, they demand a trade and they're out of there.
This is why I prefer teams building from the bottom up, even if it takes a bit longer. Otherwise you have one star and not enough of a supporting cast, and when seasons pass and results are missing, demands kick in and panic moves lead to disaster (Dallas is on the verge of going that route). You first need to gain enough talent and assets so as to keep fueling your run for a given number of years. OKC drafted badly but this they got right: if they strike gold in the lottery just once they're set up for the future. Strategically Presti has done things perfectly, it's in the execution of the drafting aspect of it that he got it wrong.
We should have started the rebuild earlier, and that leads to a sense or urgency in getting back to relevance, but if we let that anxiety take over it will not do us right. We should keep accumulating assets and develop players for at least one more season beyond this one before trying to make a splash in free agency or the trade market. If we play this right in the next couple of seasons, with all the incoming picks and (hopefully) productive youngsters, we'll be set for over a decade.

[thiste]

31 pts, 14 rbds, 5 blocks.

[FlAVaK]

But they lost...


https://youtu.be/1V2ppCh42g8

[spurraider21]

Pistons rockets game today. Hopefully pistons win. Catching houston is futile

[Sugus]

Cn9QLgZjnqx

This dude is absolutely insane. I cannot believe the Spurs of all teams are actively tanking the season he's available to be drafted. I wouldn't want to see him on the NBA, on any team, that were not the Spurs. He is flat out unfair.

His football skills are the best thing about this video by far to see. We know he's insanely tall and talented, but the fluidity and dexterity he shows with his lower body is a great sign in regards to his future and staying healthy. It's long been known that players who excel at multiple sports during their childhood and teenage years, turn into special players.

Lightning in a bottle.

[Sugus]

But they lost...


https://youtu.be/1V2ppCh42g8

Who in the fuck cares how the team did???

That shot at 1:04. A step-back, fadeaway, off-the-glass, long midrange drained shot.THAT SHOOTING TOUCH. WITH THAT HEIGHT. One of a kind, literally.

The Jokic-style waterpolo lob at 1:24. Ridiculously soft touch near the rim. How many NBA players would fumble that? Speaks to how easily he can score, avoiding putting his body under constant stress from being offensively limited to dunks or tough post play. He's a nimble, shooting, feather-touch player.

Not to mention the multiple 3's. Literally, completely unguardable - you just look on and pray he misses. He could never crack 40% in his career and still be lethal from 3 on sheer unguardability -- and even then, his shot looks even better now. And he's not even 20 yet.


Injury concerns at this point are unreasonable to even suggest. He's such a trascendental talent that you simply live and die with his body, Duncan or Manu-style.

God, let Adam Silver reward the Spurs for their magnificent and honest tank job.

[Thomas82]

Pistons rockets game today. Hopefully pistons win. Catching houston is futile

I don't see us catching Houston either, but that's not a bad thing. We didn't even have the worst record in the league when we won the 1987 and 1997 lotteries.

[Ariel]

Dude should be ruled illegal. That's not fair.

[thiste]

But they lost...

The Mets 92 are currently missing several starters / important players. We might see a few losses in this period.

But he's still getting his no matter what, as demonstrated here.

[JPB]

Dude should be ruled illegal. That's not fair.

He's gonna be quite the world wide entertainement..

.I expect all his first season games filled with OOOhh! Ahhhhh! Noooo! Whaaaa?! in every single arena...People paying just to see him and something they never did.. There won't litterally be any game not worth watching, for a one leg 3, a behind the arc floater or a crazy block...

[MultiTroll]

GM should only let Wemby play 45 games spread out over the season.
DGAF who says otherwise.
I'm bringing this generational talent along at a measured pace.

No way shape or form should some preseason glorified rat ball game be allowed ala Chet. Major F up by OKC. Altho to be fair, colossal mistake by Chet playing the D he did.

[exstatic]

My guilty pleasure in watching the highlights is cracking up that he has a teammate named Steeve Ho You Fat. His Jersey says Ho You Fat.

[davi78239]

And of course the Rockets pick today to win when the pistons winning would’ve really benefited us :ihit

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnnVwpWX0AA5-ZZ?format=jpg&name=large

[slick'81]

Spurs coming for you wembanyama!

[tapiefan]

Victor Wembanyama, the next big thing, will join the draft in 2023. Euro/French player, currently in TP's ASVEL, he is for sure the target the Spurs must focus on.

Spurs have 2 years to tank guys. Discuss.

I'm so proud to be this thread creator. Some guys are made to be luckys game thread creator. I hope I'll be the same for this thread with the Spurs be rewarded by the next big french thing.

[heyheymymy]

Thread started 8-11-2021

If Spurs land Wemby OP will be an instant legend

[exstatic]

We’re tied for 3rd. Not for long, because CHA plays MIA today, but for now, we’re tied for 3rd.

[offset formation]

^^^
pretty much tied as halftime nears. I quite frankly didn't think we'd ever sniff third again but I did say our best bet would be Charlotte. That said we're only 2 up on the Rockets.

But I have little doubt we will go on a top of the draft-busting run to make it all moot.

NoSpursNo!

[Sugus]

^^^
pretty much tied as halftime nears. I quite frankly didn't think we'd ever sniff third again but I did say our best bet would be Charlotte. That said we're only 2 up on the Rockets.

But I have little doubt we will go on a top of the draft-busting run to make it all moot.

NoSpursNo!

Wow, seriously? The more the season progresses, the more I hold the exact opposite view - Wemby to the Spurs is almost too good a story to write, and we're sneakily positioning ourselves on the best position to make it happen. 3rd worst odds were the same ones Spurs had for the Duncan draft too, apparently.

Add to that the fact that the Rockettes are (both karmically and "systemically") bound to be punished for their blatant tanking, and Adam Silver knowing damn well that San Antonio takes good care of their players, and small markets can always use a budding superstar talent (if nothing else, as "farm development" before a big market pries the talent away, like Miami LeBron). Just a perfect storm.

[Thomas82]

Wow, seriously? The more the season progresses, the more I hold the exact opposite view - Wemby to the Spurs is almost too good a story to write, and we're sneakily positioning ourselves on the best position to make it happen. 3rd worst odds were the same ones Spurs had for the Duncan draft too, apparently.

Add to that the fact that the Rockettes are (both karmically and "systemically") bound to be punished for their blatant tanking, and Adam Silver knowing damn well that San Antonio takes good care of their players, and small markets can always use a budding superstar talent (if nothing else, as "farm development" before a big market pries the talent away, like Miami LeBron). Just a perfect storm.

I agree with every word of this.

[Thomas82]

The Hornets won, so now we're officially in the bottom 3.

[ace3g]

The Hornets won, so now we're officially in the bottom 3.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnqrZKWWYAET1Fs?format=jpg&name=large

[Thomas82]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnqrZKWWYAET1Fs?format=jpg&name=large

Excellent!!

[Ariel]

Wemby to the Spurs is almost too good a story to write, and we're sneakily positioning ourselves on the best position to make it happen. 3rd worst odds were the same ones Spurs had for the Duncan draft too, apparently.
Any of the bottom 3 teams have the exact same odds at any of the top 4 spots. At no. 1 we'd have 14% if we finished bottom 3, and it decreases roughly 1.5% per position after 3.

[offset formation]

Wow, seriously? The more the season progresses, the more I hold the exact opposite view - Wemby to the Spurs is almost too good a story to write, and we're sneakily positioning ourselves on the best position to make it happen. 3rd worst odds were the same ones Spurs had for the Duncan draft too, apparently.

Add to that the fact that the Rockettes are (both karmically and "systemically") bound to be punished for their blatant tanking, and Adam Silver knowing damn well that San Antonio takes good care of their players, and small markets can always use a budding superstar talent (if nothing else, as "farm development" before a big market pries the talent away, like Miami LeBron). Just a perfect storm.

Just a bad feeling we go on a late season winning streak like we had at the beginning of the year, especially if we solidify the roster with some moves at the deadline.

Romeo and Stanley are getting better. Sochan is becoming the man. Good games from Vassell and Johnson with those other guys will win us some games.

Also I'm not confident in Silver or the NBA wanting to land Wembanyama in SA even if f they'd weigh the scales anyway. And I feel like we have a curse over us since neph shit all over this franchise.

[KingKev]

Just a bad feeling we go on a late season winning streak like we had at the beginning of the year, especially if we solidify the roster with some moves at the deadline.

Romeo and Stanley are getting better. Sochan is becoming the man. Good games from Vassell and Johnson with those other guys will win us some games.

You forgot the biggest factor… Coach Pop’s ego. It is the elephant in the room.

[offset formation]

You forgot the biggest factor… Coach Pop’s ego. It is the elephant in the room.

And yes there's always that to consider as well.

Edit: Though to be fair to pop it seems like his ego had not been at the forefront this season yet.

[KingKev]

And yes there's always that to consider as well.

Edit: Though to be fair to pop it seems like his ego had not been at the forefront this season yet.

Truthfully I’m hopeful he will go CIA Pop last 20 games of the season to solidify a bottom 3 spot.

[Ariel]

We don't have to wait to the end of the season to find out, if Richardson isn't traded by Feb. 9, then we're not 100% committed to the tank. Poeltl may or may not be traded though, stakes are higher with him so PATFO may want to keep him if they can't find a good enough return. But there should be no excuse not to move Richardson (for WHATEVER we can get).

[Rocalcio]

Just a bad feeling we go on a late season winning streak like we had at the beginning of the year, especially if we solidify the roster with some moves at the deadline.

Romeo and Stanley are getting better. Sochan is becoming the man. Good games from Vassell and Johnson with those other guys will win us some games.

Also I'm not confident in Silver or the NBA wanting to land Wembanyama in SA even if f they'd weigh the scales anyway. And I feel like we have a curse over us since neph shit all over this franchise.

I think Vassell is done for the season.

[exstatic]

I think Vassell is done for the season.

Nah. He just had a meniscus clean out. Unless there are complications, it’ll be 6-8 weeks from the surgery.

[exstatic]

Just a bad feeling we go on a late season winning streak like we had at the beginning of the year, especially if we solidify the roster with some moves at the deadline.

Romeo and Stanley are getting better. Sochan is becoming the man. Good games from Vassell and Johnson with those other guys will win us some games.

Also I'm not confident in Silver or the NBA wanting to land Wembanyama in SA even if f they'd weigh the scales anyway. And I feel like we have a curse over us since neph shit all over this franchise.

Nope. This team gives pretty damn good effort every night, and yet we are where we are. There will be no late season kick. Last season was an experiment to see if DJ could be a cornerstone. He proved that the only place he could lead us was the play in game, even going all out. There is no experiment this year, just losing.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Nope. This team gives pretty damn good effort every night, and yet we are where we are. There will be no late season kick. Last season was an experiment to see if DJ could be a cornerstone. He proved that the only place he could lead us was the play in game, even going all out. There is no experiment this year, just losing.

I think the Spurs must try hard (and I guess they are doing so already) to get an unprotected FRP either in 2023 or near-abouts for Poeltl. I have always been in favour of retaining Jakob Poeltl, who in my opinion during the TD era, would have been a perfect complement to a superstar player. I am also in agreement with those who think that he could complement Wemby if he ever lands in San Antonio (fingers crossed). But the Spurs must be prepared for the eventuality that he might not and moving Poeltl for a good FRP this year (late lottery if we find a sucker, mid-FRP or even end-FRP) would be a good insurance policy. The Spurs, I think will eventually pick one of the Thompson twins if they dont land Wemby or Henderson.. Complementing that pick with a safe FRP will go a long way in moving the rebuilding process along.

[rascal]

Just a bad feeling we go on a late season winning streak like we had at the beginning of the year, especially if we solidify the roster with some moves at the deadline.

Romeo and Stanley are getting better. Sochan is becoming the man. Good games from Vassell and Johnson with those other guys will win us some games.

Also I'm not confident in Silver or the NBA wanting to land Wembanyama in SA even if f they'd weigh the scales anyway. And I feel like we have a curse over us since neph shit all over this franchise.

Doubt it.

The Spurs know they are in position to have the highest odds at Wemby and won't be adding players at the deadline to mess that up.
I see the Spurs sitting players with minor injuries down the strech.

[exstatic]

I think the Spurs must try hard (and I guess they are doing so already) to get an unprotected FRP either in 2023 or near-abouts for Poeltl. I have always been in favour of retaining Jakob Poeltl, who in my opinion during the TD era, would have been a perfect complement to a superstar player. I am also in agreement with those who think that he could complement Wemby if he ever lands in San Antonio (fingers crossed). But the Spurs must be prepared for the eventuality that he might not and moving Poeltl for a good FRP this year (late lottery if we find a sucker, mid-FRP or even end-FRP) would be a good insurance policy. The Spurs, I think will eventually pick one of the Thompson twins if they dont land Wemby or Henderson.. Complementing that pick with a safe FRP will go a long way in moving the rebuilding process along.

Everyone wants to get another pick, but you can rule out anyone who is in the lottery, or close to the lottery, because no one is trading away even a potential Wemby golden ticket. There are like 10-12 teams that are.500 +/- 3 games that are straddling the lottery line. Most of the rest have already traded their picks. I’m not even sure this is a great draft to have another pick in, unless you have 1 and 2. It drops off a cliff after that, and is pretty much just another draft.

[mo7888]

Everyone wants to get another pick, but you can rule out anyone who is in the lottery, or close to the lottery, because no one is trading away even a potential Wemby golden ticket. There are like 10-12 teams that are.500 +/- 3 games that are straddling the lottery line. Most of the rest have already traded their picks. I’m not even sure this is a great draft to have another pick in, unless you have 1 and 2. It drops off a cliff after that, and is pretty much just another draft.

I think there are a couple teams that might be willing to trade a lottery pick but, they won't be willing to do it until they know their draft position.

[Rocalcio]

Nah. He just had a meniscus clean out. Unless there are complications, it’ll be 6-8 weeks from the surgery.

I wasn’t talking about how serious the injury is, I just think they’ll put him in the fridge so guys like Langford or Branham can get some playing time.

[MultiTroll]

Nope. This team gives pretty damn good effort every night, and yet we are where we are. There will be no late season kick. Last season was an experiment to see if DJ could be a cornerstone. He proved that the only place he could lead us was the play in game, even going all out. There is no experiment this year, just losing.
Will believe it when i see it in the final month and especially final 2 weeks.
https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.mohSHL4F3WARUo0V8TgRkwHaDt?pid=ImgDet&rs=1

[rascal]

What can the Spurs get if they trade their first round draft pick this year? Three unprotected future first round picks and a player?

Play the odds that the Spurs won't land the first or second pick.

[rascal]

I think Vassell is done for the season.

Probably right about this. there are only about 10 weeks left in the season and he'll need conditioning upon a return.

[MultiTroll]

Not gonna happen, but wonder what trades other teams could make that would actually be a good deal for both Wama drafter and Tradee team.

[scott]

Everyone wants to get another pick, but you can rule out anyone who is in the lottery, or close to the lottery, because no one is trading away even a potential Wemby golden ticket. There are like 10-12 teams that are.500 +/- 3 games that are straddling the lottery line. Most of the rest have already traded their picks. I’m not even sure this is a great draft to have another pick in, unless you have 1 and 2. It drops off a cliff after that, and is pretty much just another draft.

Not a comment in regard to any particular musings, but you lay out a good case for why there could be an additional, top-2 protected FRP on the table this year from a team straddling the play-in line. If this is a weak draft outside of the top 2, you may prefer to trade it for a known commodity, while protecting yourself in the Wemby/Scoot chase.

[exstatic]

Not a comment in regard to any particular musings, but you lay out a good case for why there could be an additional, top-2 protected FRP on the table this year from a team straddling the play-in line. If this is a weak draft outside of the top 2, you may prefer to trade it for a known commodity, while protecting yourself in the Wemby/Scoot chase.

I’m as much team Jak as anyone, but a top 2 protected pick is a massive overpay. The Spurs asking price was 2 FRPs, no protection limits stated. Indy currently has #24 and #30, and if they weren’t set at center, those would meet the price.

[scott]

I’m as much team Jak as anyone, but a top 2 protected pick is a massive overpay. The Spurs asking price was 2 FRPs, no protection limits stated. Indy currently has #24 and #30, and if they weren’t set at center, those would meet the price.

Forget Jak in the context of this discussion. It's only following logically with the circumstances you raised.

1. No team will want to trade away their lotto ticket at Wemby or Scoot (definitely true)
2. There is a huge drop off after the top two, to take that further, you staded it may not be a great draft class to have another pick in (the second part is subjective, but let's roll with it)

A team who is on the cusp of the play-in who shares sentiment #2 might be willing to part with a top-2 (or top-4, or top-wherever the feel the cutoff for top talent is). That's going to be the Spurs only shot at another lotto pick, but as you mention that's a steep ask for Jak - Spurs might not have the ammo to pull that.

[Ariel]

I’m as much team Jak as anyone, but a top 2 protected pick is a massive overpay. The Spurs asking price was 2 FRPs, no protection limits stated. Indy currently has #24 and #30, and if they weren’t set at center, those would meet the price.
Technically yes, but right now we have #33, at that point there's no much difference in value between that pick and a first projected at #30. #24 is better, but not overwhelmingly so. I think we should prioritize getting good picks over getting any pick. A far out unprotected pick would be ideal, or even a single pick projected to go 15-20 would be better than those 2 IMO.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FoJ-q00XEAEAwBz?format=jpg&name=360x360

[spursince#99]

Probably right about this. there are only about 10 weeks left in the season and he'll need conditioning upon a return.


Please God

[ace3g]

Pistons lost tonight and Rockets down 40 tonight in the 4th...

[thiste]

I don't agree with it being a weak class apart from #1 & #2. There is a drop off sure but there's still a lot of very good talents to be picked here. This year's a really good class. Me I really like Cason Wallace, he has great potential to be a top notch perimeter defender, he's currently #18 on nbadraft.net so if he falls that low or lower he could be a great second pick if we can get one.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1624162145033150484

[Ariel]

It'll be fun watching Luka launch from midcourt to keep his step back 3 from being blocked :lol

[BatManu20]

Idk why but I’ve had a feeling for a while now that Wemby’s gonna be a Washington Wizard tbh. Hope I’m wrong obv but that’s what my guy’s telling me.

[rascal]

Most exciting night of the season will be the NBA Draft Lottery night

[spurraider21]

Idk why but I’ve had a feeling for a while now that Wemby’s gonna be a Washington Wizard tbh. Hope I’m wrong obv but that’s what my guy’s telling me.
just please dont be houston. i agree with dpg. if its not us, i want it to be detroit

[spurraider21]

honestly i dont think the rockets are beatable

[spurraider21]

rox up by one with less than a minute left... jalen green just dribbles out 23 seconds of the shot clock doing nothing then turns the ball over leading to a herro 3. holy hell these guys are pros

[spurraider21]

rockets 13-42 pending outcome of tonight's game
spurs 14-42
pistons 15-42
hornets 15-42

[BatManu20]

Rockets lose on an out-of-bounds lob pass with 0.7 seconds left…. Second game in a row they’ve lost on a blown defensive assignment. These guys are expert tankers tbh :lol


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[Ariel]

Jalen Green is a pile of steamy sh!t, despite Houston's last play. Devonte Graham >>> Jalen Green. Maybe next season we can flip Devonte for Green + assets.

[ace3g]

14
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Pistons
(https://theathletic.com/nba/team/pistons/)

15

42

25.5

W1

3-7

8-21

7-21




15
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Hornets
(https://theathletic.com/nba/team/hornets/)

15

42

25.5

L6

2-8

7-17

8-25






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Spurs
(https://theathletic.com/nba/team/spurs/)

14

42

24

L11

0-10

9-21

5-21




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Rockets
(https://theathletic.com/nba/team/rockets/)

13

43

25

L5

3-7

8-20

5-23

[spurs1990]

If the lottery decides 1-4, doesn't it make sense to aim for the worst record still, which guarantees the 5th pick at worst, vs 2nd worse gets 6th, and so on...?

[DPG21920]

If the lottery decides 1-4, doesn't it make sense to aim for the worst record still, which guarantees the 5th pick at worst, vs 2nd worse gets 6th, and so on...?

For sure. But it’s not AS big of a deal since you get same odds at top picks. But ya all else being equal it would be great to be limited to pick 5 at worst.

[RC_Drunkford]

surprised Wemby's team won, they were down like 30 points in the first quarter. Defensively he has to work on a couple of things, the guy bites on every pump fake

[exstatic]

Idk why but I’ve had a feeling for a while now that Wemby’s gonna be a Washington Wizard tbh. Hope I’m wrong obv but that’s what my guy’s telling me.

That would be a waste. They don’t seem to develop players well, and they currently have only a 4.5% chance.

[exstatic]

If the lottery decides 1-4, doesn't it make sense to aim for the worst record still, which guarantees the 5th pick at worst, vs 2nd worse gets 6th, and so on...?

What savior is there at 5, but not 7?

[Ariel]

Whomever your target is, it doesn't hurt to keep 2 teams from taking him in front of your face.
And if you're not sold on anyone in particular, gives you better chances at extracting value via trading back.
So yeah, it matters.

[K...]

I think the funniest think to happen, the spurs win the lottery, but at the 4 slot, and houston get 5. Do it Silver

[exstatic]

I think the funniest think to happen, the spurs win the lottery, but at the 4 slot, and houston get 5. Do it Silver
That wouldn’t be funny at all. It would suck getting #4.

[Mr. Body]

I've said it before, but the wage structure of top picks is pretty high. It's something we haven't experienced in a long time. For stars, it's less of a big deal, but if you whiff on a player it can really hurt. Even if you semi-whiff, it can hurt. Houston has a potentially good role player on their hands in Jabari Smith, Jr. But they have to pay him a top pick salary.

Not saying the Spurs would rather have a #6 pick than a #4 pick, but if they think they can get their tier of player, they would. That could matter in a draft where things get super dodgy after the top two.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fo5bArcXwAAICN-?format=jpg&name=large

[Jordan Jackson]

Charlotte game on Wednesday is going to be a Tank-off. Battle to the bottom.

[spurs1990]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fo5bArcXwAAICN-?format=jpg&name=large

14-44

I only see 6 games left that the Spurs will be favored to win.
So that's 20-62... I think same record that got them Duncan so that's a good sign

https://i.ibb.co/Ct0mY52/Spurs-Ws.png

[heyheymymy]

2023 NBA Mock Draft: Victor Wembanyama goes No. 1 to Spurs in first projections following trade deadline
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2023-nba-mock-draft-victor-wembanyama-goes-no-1-to-spurs-in-first-projections-following-trade-deadline/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2023-nba-mock-draft-victor-wembanyama-goes-no-1-to-spurs-in-first-projections-following-trade-deadline/)

[Rocalcio]

2023 NBA Mock Draft: Victor Wembanyama goes No. 1 to Spurs in first projections following trade deadline


https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2023-nba-mock-draft-victor-wembanyama-goes-no-1-to-spurs-in-first-projections-following-trade-deadline/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2023-nba-mock-draft-victor-wembanyama-goes-no-1-to-spurs-in-first-projections-following-trade-deadline/)


Are we really getting just one first round pick in the next draft ? I thought we had more than that. I mean, I’d be thrilled to land the first pick of course, but if we don’t get neither the first or the second, that would suck.

[exstatic]

Are we really getting just one first round pick in the next draft ? I thought we had more than that. I mean, I’d be thrilled to land the first pick of course, but if we don’t get neither the first or the second, that would suck.
If Charlotte were to go incandescently white hot, and make the playoffs, we’d get their pick, but they’re tanking, and the pick is 1-16 protected.

[JPB]

2023 NBA Mock Draft: Victor Wembanyama goes No. 1 to Spurs in first projections following trade deadline
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2023-nba-mock-draft-victor-wembanyama-goes-no-1-to-spurs-in-first-projections-following-trade-deadline/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2023-nba-mock-draft-victor-wembanyama-goes-no-1-to-spurs-in-first-projections-following-trade-deadline/)

I can understand Miller at #3, He's my man for now after the big 2. I see great potential as a complete 2 way player, with spurs as a perfect environment to develop him as such. Good consolation prize if spurs miss out on Victor and Scoot. Hell, I might prefer him over Scoot, since we have Sochan as a great playmaker.

So pick Scoot at 2, and maybe try to trade down for 3 and whatever or trade up for 3 if Miller is still there (probably much harder even if we have bunches of FPRs to give). I also can see Cam Whitmore climbing up the list from 8 to top 5...

[Rocalcio]

If Charlotte were to go incandescently white hot, and make the playoffs, we’d get their pick, but they’re tanking, and the pick is 1-16 protected.

Ok, thanks. That sucks indeed.

[Atl Spur]

Ok, thanks. That sucks indeed.

Actually may work out best that pick defers to next year… 3frp’s would be right nice!!

[exstatic]

Actually may work out best that pick defers to next year… 3frp’s would be right nice!!

Awful. Blake’s barely gotten development time this year. Not looking forward to 3 FRPs if it happens. Better if they’re more spread out.

[heyheymymy]

Agreed Cam Whitmore I could see climb as well as Amen which could force some goods down

Will be interesting to see how the tourney shapes the value

[couchman]

I like the idea is spacing out the years when we get a lot of FRPs.
We just took 3 in 2022 and it is too early to know for sure what we have with them.
By the time we’re drafting multiple FRPs again in ‘24 we should have a better sense of who we want to build around and what we still need to find.

[rascal]

I like the idea is spacing out the years when we get a lot of FRPs.
We just took 3 in 2022 and it is too early to know for sure what we have with them.
By the time we’re drafting multiple FRPs again in ‘24 we should have a better sense of who we want to build around and what we still need to find.

I like the idea of having two first rounders in 2023.
Get Wemby and a top PG in this year's draft as those are the top two areas of need on the team.

Unlike last year which was weak in PGs this year is deep in PG's projected to go in the mid first round.

Spurs should target a trade into the mid first round and get a PG this year.
I think they will land VW.

[heyheymymy]

2026 kinda seems like a reset year with mainly just SAs own FRP with swap rights to ATL

[mo7888]

Agreed Cam Whitmore I could see climb as well as Amen which could force some goods down

Will be interesting to see how the tourney shapes the value


Lot's of Boards already have Amen at #3. I'm not that high, but I can see why the athleticism is attractive.

[BackHome]

Bleacher Report just came out with a new mock - Has us taking Henderson at 2 a big surprise has Gradey Dick going 6 he has been flying up on a lot of mock boards as teams desperately need players who can shoot and hit the 3 ball. I think they have Black going 13.

[Atl Spur]

Awful. Blake’s barely gotten development time this year. Not looking forward to 3 FRPs if it happens. Better if they’re more spread out.

You could do a host of things with those picks beside use straight up.

[mo7888]

Bleacher Report just came out with a new mock - Has us taking Henderson at 2 a big surprise has Gradey Dick going 6 he has been flying up on a lot of mock boards as teams desperately need players who can shoot and hit the 3 ball. I think they have Black going 13.

Gradey is rising fast... I've got him at 8 and hoped we might could acquire a 2nd pick to get him, but it looks like he's going to rise out of the range that we could acquire a 2nd 1st.

[rascal]

Gradey is rising fast... I've got him at 8 and hoped we might could acquire a 2nd pick to get him, but it looks like he's going to rise out of the range that we could acquire a 2nd 1st.

Spurs need a pg more than Dick.

[rascal]

Don't like Gradey Dick. What else does this guy do other than shoot the 3 pointer?

Better to target more athletic and versatile players who can also shoot the 3 ball.

[KingKev]

Spurs need a pg more than Dick.

Longer term I 100% agree. Tre Jones and Devonte Graham can play the part to help others develop in the short term though.

[rascal]

Tre Jones and Graham are great if you're tanking.

[mo7888]

Don't like Gradey Dick. What else does this guy do other than shoot the 3 pointer?

Better to target more athletic and versatile players who can also shoot the 3 ball.

He drives the ball and is a plus Defender...

[BackHome]

Yeah, one thing I have learned is that if you can't shoot in college the chances of you now being able to shoot in the NBA are slim to none. I think people are finding out that he brings more then just the 3 ball they are looking at him closely and a lot will depend how he does in team practice/scrimages..

[exstatic]

Yeah, one thing I have learned is that if you can't shoot in college the chances of you now being able to shoot in the NBA are slim to none. I think people are finding out that he brings more then just the 3 ball they are looking at him closely and a lot will depend how he does in team practice/scrimages..

I would say that your chances to improve your shooting increase with being a middle to lower pick. They tend to accept that they have to work on their game more than top picks do. Russell Westbrook NEVER learned to shoot, and he’s about ready to retire.

[JPB]

Yeah, one thing I have learned is that if you can't shoot in college the chances of you now being able to shoot in the NBA are slim to none. I think people are finding out that he brings more then just the 3 ball they are looking at him closely and a lot will depend how he does in team practice/scrimages..

I'd say the only players who may are the ones who never really had to learn how to shoot in college because other aspects of their game were strong enough for them to dominate (strength, speed, handlings, defense, passing, IQ...). Nephew is a good example, he was a 25% 3pt shooter in College (45% overall) but had to work on his shoot in the NBA to become a 38.5% 3pt shooter (49.4% overall) dominant player there.

And maybe Ex also has a point there, since Nephew was a mid FR pick. Would have to look more closely at lottery picks to see how many managed to improve their shooting.

[Ariel]

Don't like Gradey Dick. What else does this guy do other than shoot the 3 pointer?

Better to target more athletic and versatile players who can also shoot the 3 ball.
Hey rascal, how are you doing?
I was wondering what do you think about Jokic, Luka Doncic, Larry Bird, Tim Duncan, Steph Curry, etc....
Do they have enough "burst" for you?

[rascal]

Hey rascal, how are you doing?
I was wondering what do you think about Jokic, Luka Doncic, Larry Bird, Tim Duncan, Steph Curry, etc....
Do they have enough "burst" for you?

Curry has burst to the basket.

I'd replace Keldon with Gradey Dick.

[spurraider21]

Ok, thanks. That sucks indeed.
the charlotte pick has 3 years to convey, this year being the first. for the next 2 seasons it is 1-14 protected. so more or less, we need charlotte to make the postseason in the 23-24 season or the 24-25 season for us to get their pick. otherwise we just get even more 2nd rounders lol

[Mr. Body]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUVz2xdhfOE

What better players than Tim Duncan and Luka Doncic might look like.

[Ariel]

Are we really getting just one first round pick in the next draft ? I thought we had more than that. I mean, I’d be thrilled to land the first pick of course, but if we don’t get neither the first or the second, that would suck.
IMO the only path to us landing the Charlotte pick is if all of the following conditions are met:
1) They lLand a top pick in '23 that has an immediate impact (Wemby / Scoot)
2) Lamelo makes it clear he won't go along with another tanking season.
3) They re-sign Miles Bridges and is available and in shape.
4) Mark Williams takes a leap forward.
5) They keep their core and add an impactful veteran.
Under those conditions, the Eastern Conference is weak enough that they might make the play in as the 8th seed with a losing record, where they'd have to win only 1 game out of 2 to get in. But unless Lamelo lights a fire under management's butt, they will not feel the urgency to act now. So I'd say chances are not looking good.

[Mr. Body]

Arguably you only have four locks for the POs in the EC next year, Boston, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Cleveland.

Arguably the others could fall off, Toronto, Miami, Atlanta, Brooklyn, Atlanta.

I don't think it's a huge leap to think Charlotte will be in the mix next year for a late spot. But it's bad franchise and Lamello is a chuckle fuck so who knows.

[Russ]

Don't like Gradey Dick. What else does this guy do other than shoot the 3 pointer?

Better to target more athletic and versatile players who can also shoot the 3 ball.

A few teams regretfully passed on Tyler Herro and that might elevate Gradey's draft stock.

(Herro went one pick ahead of Romeo Langford.)

He can shoot and that projects.

[Ariel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk0YmKIpxPI
rascal's kind of player...