Spurs needs to tank hard and target Wembanyama un 2023

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Don’t worry Pop is saving those Gorgui Mamu Barlow likeups for when it really matters.

[Ariel]

This place is going to burn to the ground when the Spurs get like the 4th pick. It's not going to go the way you expect it. Be ready for it. Houston will final get it or the Bulls.
Picking outside the top 4 is about a coin flip even for the worst record, so that wouldn't be shocking at all. I'd hate for us to surpass Charlotte and end up picking 7th or 8th though. That's a scenario I would freak out (metaphorically)

[DPG21920]

Don’t worry Pop is saving those Gorgui Mamu Barlow likeups for when it really matters.

Let’s hope - because for some reason per the usual our own fans dont know our team very well and underestimate our talent. It’s is entirely up to Pop to manage this. Because if we are remotely healthy and Pop plays everyone as usual, I have no doubt it’s going to be very close with CHA

Need CHA v HOU v DET games are so freaking big now for those teams

[LeBowen]

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Home games are all against teams of questionable quality and Pop should tank accordingly.
Pelicans are in freefall and Wizards are bad.

Rockets have Pelicans later tonight, then 6 unwinnable games and Pistons-Lakers-Nuggets-Hornets-Wizards to end the season.
Hopefully Nuggets secure the first seed by the time they play the Rockets, so it's a stretch where they might stumble upon a few wins.

Third place shouldn't be in jeoperdy as Hornets are already at 22 wins.

[spurraider21]

hornets with a huge 4th quarter. up 5 with less than a minute to go

[DPG21920]

hornets with a huge 4th quarter. up 5 with less than a minute to go

Hold on baby! Whew would be nice.

[DPG21920]

Hell ya!

[TXstbobcat]

Thank you pacers. Hornets get the win tonight.

Houston hanging with golden state tonight.

[spurraider21]

was never a question if the spurs could or couldnt rack up 5, 6, or 7 more wins from the time lamelo went out... because that question basically operated under the assumption that the hornets were guaranteed to lose out. they've won 3 since lamelo's injury (spurs have won 5 in that span).

4 win cushion right now (though spurs have 2 more games to play than the hornets do). 6 of the hornets last 9 games come against teams that are sub-500 (2 games against dallas, one against cleveland)

[TXstbobcat]

Need New Orleans win tomorrow and take the loss on Thursday.

Vs Spurs tomorrow and Vs hornets on Thursday.

[Mr. Body]

Hornets were down massive in the first quarter. This suggests they don't intend to just fall down. May be some pride in keeping that 4th rather than 3rd.

[spurraider21]

Need New Orleans to win their next 2 games.

Vs Spurs tomorrow and Vs hornets on Thursday.
i think we want new orleans to lose to charlotte

[DPG21920]

Ya. We want CHa winning as many as possible. Ideal scenario is come April, CHA has it locked and Houston can beat them and jump SA

[TXstbobcat]

i think we want new orleans to lose to charlotte

my bad lol. Corrected my post.

[TXstbobcat]

Ya. We want CHa winning as many as possible. Ideal scenario is come April, CHA has it locked and Houston can beat them and jump SA

hornets winnable games the rest of the way look to be OKC and Houston.

maybe they can take the game against New Orleans or steal one of their 2 games against the Raptors.

[DPG21920]

hornets winnable games the rest of the way look to be OKC and Houston.

maybe they can take the game against New Orleans or steal one of their 2 games against the Raptors.

Ya there’s a couple (Bulls imo): but really think they just need 1. Any more is great. Want that CHA V HOU game to go to HOU if possible

[spurraider21]

Ya. We want CHa winning as many as possible. Ideal scenario is come April, CHA has it locked and Houston can beat them and jump SA
yeah i mean i guess leaping houston would be cool, but considering the bottom 3 have identical odds at landing the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th picks, the value is pretty small

[rascal]

Thank you pacers. Hornets get the win tonight.

Houston hanging with golden state tonight.

Pacers are tanking bad.

[Thomas82]

It's amazing how the Rockets were hanging with the Warriors for the first 3 quarters, then all of a sudden go down by 15.

[ismael-robert]

So if we wind up tied with Houston they move to 3rd since they own better conf and div records right?

[TXstbobcat]

So if we wind up tied with Houston they move to 3rd since they own better conf and div records right?

tie breakers for nba draft spots are decided by coin flip.

[scott]

Hornets were down massive in the first quarter. This suggests they don't intend to just fall down. May be some pride in keeping that 4th rather than 3rd.

tbh, looks like everyone but DET got the memo from Silver after the ASG

[duncan2150]

With the win of the Hornets today, imo we're ok and pretty sure for the top 3. I really don't count on the Rockets and i hope to finish ahead of them, such a bad team.

[JPB]

It's amazing how the Rockets were hanging with the Warriors for the first 3 quarters, then all of a sudden go down by 15.

Spurs were up 29 vs. the Grizz.

[Mr. Body]

It's amazing how the Rockets were hanging with the Warriors for the first 3 quarters, then all of a sudden go down by 15.

Good teams know when to turn it on.

[The Truth #6]

I didn’t see the game, but I have more faith in Houston turning on the tank than Golden State suddenly becoming a title contender or even good team again. But who knows, it’s a weird season.

[Mr. Body]

I didn’t see the game, but I have more faith in Houston turning on the tank than Golden State suddenly becoming a title contender or even good team again. But who knows, it’s a weird season.

Nah, it was just a good team mopping up a loser.

[DPG21920]

yeah i mean i guess leaping houston would be cool, but considering the bottom 3 have identical odds at landing the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th picks, the value is pretty small

Agreed - was just an aside. It’s more about CHA having a lead so big the game doesnt matter for SA finishing in bottom 3. IF thats the case we can go ahead and root for HOU and less meaningful stuff

[spurraider21]

Agreed - was just an aside. It’s more about CHA having a lead so big the game doesnt matter for SA finishing in bottom 3. IF thats the case we can go ahead and root for HOU and less meaningful stuff
i just wouldnt leave anything to chance unless its literally been clinched by then. let CHA keep winning

[MultiTroll]

Hornets were down massive in the first quarter. This suggests they don't intend to just fall down. May be some pride in keeping that 4th rather than 3rd.
And yet where was that pride the 1st 65 games? Suddenly develops with 10 games to go as they get within a game of the Spurs?

This season does not pass the smell test for a lot of games.
Houston on obvious tank, yet they get swept by the Spurs?
Next they pull out a last second win when an L was guaranteed.

[spurraider21]

still have a 4 game cushion with charlotte (we have 1 more game left than they do)

if we end up with the same record, is the tiebreaker always a coin flip, or do they consider things like H2H the way the NFL does (charlotte beat us twice)

[exstatic]

still have a 4 game cushion with charlotte (we have 1 more game left than they do)

if we end up with the same record, is the tiebreaker always a coin flip, or do they consider things like H2H the way the NFL does (charlotte beat us twice)

Coin flip.

[Thomas82]

still have a 4 game cushion with charlotte (we have 1 more game left than they do)

if we end up with the same record, is the tiebreaker always a coin flip, or do they consider things like H2H the way the NFL does (charlotte beat us twice)

We need any combination of 6 Hornets wins and Spurs losses to secure our spot.

[exstatic]

We need any combination of 6 Hornets wins and Spurs losses to secure our spot.

7. If we lose 6, and Charlotte loses all of theirs, it’s tie. Don’t want that.

[Russ]

7. If we lose 6, and Charlotte loses all of theirs, it’s tie. Don’t want that.

So the Spurs have an "unmagic number" of 7 to get the best odds (tied with 2 others) for the top pick or pick #2.

Sounds good.

[ace3g]

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[Thomas82]

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Unfortunately, the Rockets couldn't pull it off. I'm honestly surprised they kept it close tonight.

[Leetonidas]

Pistons, Hornets, and Rockets all play tonight...on the road :lol hoping at least one of them can pull out a W. Mavs havent looked great so Hornets might have a shot at the upset. Anyone know if Luka/Kyrie are playing?

[spurraider21]

Pistons, Hornets, and Rockets all play tonight...on the road :lol hoping at least one of them can pull out a W. Mavs havent looked great so Hornets might have a shot at the upset. Anyone know if Luka/Kyrie are playing?
all i care about are the hornets tbh

[Atl Spur]

Pop won’t let us win much more……rightfully so!

[Ariel]

9 games to go, 3 games behind Detroit, 1 game behind Houston, and 4 games ahead of Charlotte. Honestly I think we've got no. 3 pretty much wrapped up, which is the main thing. However, I'd like to see us tie for no. 2 with Houston which would improve our chances at no. 5 if we don't land a top 4 pick, and given both our schedules it's not out of the question:

Spurs
Fri, Mar 24 @ Washington
Sun, Mar 26 @ Boston
Wed, Mar 29 vs Utah
Fri, Mar 31 @ Golden State
Sun, Apr 2 @ Sacramento
Tue, Apr 4 @ Phoenix
Thu, Apr 6 vs Portland
Sat, Apr 8 vs Minnesota
Sun, Apr 9 @ Dallas

Houston
Fri, Mar 24 @ Memphis
Sun, Mar 26 @ Cleveland
Mon, Mar 27 @ New York
Wed, Mar 29 @ Brooklyn
Fri, Mar 31 vs Detroit
Sun, Apr 2 vs LA Lakers
Tue, Apr 4 vs Denver
Fri, Apr 7 @ Charlotte
Sun, Apr 9 @ Washington

Charlotte
Fri, Mar 24 @ Dallas
Sun, Mar 26 vs Dallas
Tue, Mar 28 @ Oklahoma City
Fri, Mar 31 vs Chicago
Sun, Apr 2 vs Toronto
Tue, Apr 4 vs Toronto
Fri, Apr 7 vs Houston
Sun, Apr 9 @ Cleveland

[DPG21920]

Spurs playing a crappy WAS without Kuz or Beal…spurs most likely to win id say but hopefully KP can carry the load and Sa is missing Collins who arguably is most important guy at the moment all factors considered

[DPG21920]

9 games to go, 3 games behind Detroit, 1 game behind Houston, and 4 games ahead of Charlotte. Honestly I think we've got no. 3 pretty much wrapped up, which is the main thing. However, I'd like to see us tie for no. 2 with Houston which would improve our chances at no. 5 if we don't land a top 4 pick, and given both our schedules it's not out of the question:

Spurs
Fri, Mar 24 @ Washington
Sun, Mar 26 @ Boston
Wed, Mar 29 vs Utah
Fri, Mar 31 @ Golden State
Sun, Apr 2 @ Sacramento
Tue, Apr 4 @ Phoenix
Thu, Apr 6 vs Portland
Sat, Apr 8 vs Minnesota
Sun, Apr 9 @ Dallas

Houston
Fri, Mar 24 @ Memphis
Sun, Mar 26 @ Cleveland
Mon, Mar 27 @ New York
Wed, Mar 29 @ Brooklyn
Fri, Mar 31 vs Detroit
Sun, Apr 2 vs LA Lakers
Tue, Apr 4 vs Denver
Fri, Apr 7 @ Charlotte
Sun, Apr 9 @ Washington

Charlotte
Fri, Mar 24 @ Dallas
Sun, Mar 26 vs Dallas
Tue, Mar 28 @ Oklahoma City
Fri, Mar 31 vs Chicago
Sun, Apr 2 vs Toronto
Tue, Apr 4 vs Toronto
Fri, Apr 7 vs Houston
Sun, Apr 9 @ Cleveland

If SA loses tonight I think there’s a fair shot HOU can leap them. Tonight is one of most on paper winnable games for SA. Lose this and I think SA has 2 “on paper” wins left (UTA POR maybe MIN) & HOU has potentially 3 (DET CHA WAS)

[spurraider21]

Spurs playing a crappy WAS without Kuz or Beal…spurs most likely to win id say but hopefully KP can carry the load and Sa is missing Collins who arguably is most important guy at the moment all factors considered
Spurs lost hornets won. Since lamelo went down spurs have exactly one more win than Charlotte :lol

[DPG21920]

Spurs lost hornets won. Since lamelo went down spurs have exactly one more win than Charlotte :lol

Spurs have definitely benched and sat guys way more than I anticipated - Props

Especially the games where both Collins and Sochan are out. They are winning players and we have zero depth there so its a double whammy every time they sit.

[DPG21920]

If Spurs can survive not winning the UTA game, I think they lose the next 5. That would give (although not a huge deal) HOU a legit shot to jump or at least tie SA IMO

Spurs are definitely locked into bottom 3 which is phenomenal so I dont really care. But UTA is the most winnable game (Home and worst team of the bunch) out of next 5 so losing that one would likely have HOU tied with SA with 3 games left.

[Ariel]

Today's results reinforce the idea that no. 3 (and thus best possible odds at Wemby) is already a done deal. As for no. 2, we need to play both Portland and Utah, and they're both on tanking mode, so we should win at least one of those 2 if not both. That would mean Houston should win 2-3 games at least for us to tie no. 2.

[DPG21920]

Today's results reinforce the idea that no. 3 (and thus best possible odds at Wemby) is already a done deal. As for no. 2, we need to play both Portland and Utah, and they're both on tanking mode, so we should win at least one of those 2 if not both. That would mean Houston should win 2-3 games at least for us to tie no. 2.

Great news is our last game, Dallas, is fighting for their lives. HOU plays WAS who arent that good so if we are tied going into that game like our chances to be 2nd worst record (or up for a coin flip to decide with same record). Im not worried about that too much honestly though.

[Ariel]

Great news is our last game, Dallas, is fighting for their lives. HOU plays WAS who arent that good so if we are tied going into that game like our chances to be 2nd worst record (or up for a coin flip to decide with same record). Im not worried about that too much honestly though.
To be honest, after watching Brandon Miller and Jarace Walker today, picking 5, 6 or 7 doesn't seem like a huge deal, which is ultimately what is being decided if we finish 2nd or 3rd worst (odds at those spots).

[DPG21920]

To be honest, after watching Brandon Miller and Jarace Walker today, picking 5, 6 or 7 doesn't seem like a huge deal, which is ultimately what is being decided if we finish 2nd or 3rd worst (odds at those spots).

Yup…I’m really not worried. It’s more “whatever happens, happens” scenario for me

[MultiTroll]

Not complaining at all.
Merely asking, WTH is Charlotte doing winning?

Don't tell me the Mavs are tanking?

[DPG21920]

Not complaining at all.
Merely asking, WTH is Charlotte doing winning?

Don't tell me the Mavs are tanking?

Players dont tank. They play their hardest when on the floor.

[duncan2150]

Not complaining at all.
Merely asking, WTH is Charlotte doing winning?

Don't tell me the Mavs are tanking?

They are far from the third place and far from the fifth, so winning is the better way to end the season for them.

[rascal]

To be honest, after watching Brandon Miller and Jarace Walker today, picking 5, 6 or 7 doesn't seem like a huge deal, which is ultimately what is being decided if we finish 2nd or 3rd worst (odds at those spots).

Still better to get the higher pick as it can open trade scenarios and also gives the higher pick in the 2nd round and it could make a difference in getting a player you want or not by not missing out by a pick or two.

[rascal]

Players dont tank. They play their hardest when on the floor.

But players can also get lazy and not put out a strong effort especially on defense if they know management wants no part of winning.

[Mr. Body]

To be honest, after watching Brandon Miller and Jarace Walker today, picking 5, 6 or 7 doesn't seem like a huge deal, which is ultimately what is being decided if we finish 2nd or 3rd worst (odds at those spots).

I've been lightly suggesting for a while that the team wants Wemby, of course, but after missing him would be okay dropping down a bit. Still get a player they want while not being tied into a high salary structure.

[spurraider21]

Charlotte beat the mavs again :rollin

[Kurik]

Charlotte is doing the lords work, securing a top 3 pick for the Spurs as well as pouring tons of fuel on the ongoing Mavericks dumpster fire.

[Ignazzz]

They help lakers too.

[slick'81]

Charlotte is doing the lords work, securing a top 3 pick for the Spurs as well as pouring tons of fuel on the ongoing Mavericks dumpster fire.

and hopefully pushing for a playoff spot next season

[DPG21920]

Dallas is unbelievable man - what an absolute train wreck. Luckily, magic number is 3 and Spurs have a tough matchup today. So should be 2 after this to officially cement this (its already a lock tho)

[jjspur]

As of now the spurs, Houston and Detroit have 8 games left. Don't think the pistons win anything much so they'll have the worst record. The spurs are going to continue to lose hoping that Houston somehow wins 1 game. If that happens, they'll both have 19 wins and its a coin flip for the 2nd worst record. No way the spurs try to win after that point. Sure they'll both have a 14 pct. chance of getting the top pick, but neither will fall below the 7th pick at worst and that's something to shoot for (sort of) . Not worried about passing Charlotte one bit.

At this point, it's pretty safe to say that the spurs will get the 3rd-7th pick, or if they are lucky the 2nd - 6th pick, or if the basketball gods really smile upon us, we land Wemby , Adam Silver has a stroke and Pop flashes that wicked evil simile as only he can. Its going to be an interesting next few weeks even for us bottom dwellers and then its on to the draft lottery.

[JPB]

Dallas is unbelievable man - what an absolute train wreck. Luckily, magic number is 3 and Spurs have a tough matchup today. So should be 2 after this to officially cement this (its already a lock tho)

Dallas fighting to keep their top 10 protected pick.

[DPG21920]

Dallas fighting to keep their top 10 protected pick.

Im not sure thats the case…why trade for Kyrie (and give up a first to do it) if you want to end up in lottery? I think they are trying to win but are just a disaster

[JPB]

Im not sure thats the case…why trade for Kyrie (and give up a first to do it) if you want to end up in lottery? I think they are trying to win but are just a disaster

Possible, but not one play in team so far has won a PO series... They know they're not contending this year but can still luck (long shot) into Wemby or a top 3 pick... 2% is still 2%. Their pick becomes a SRP in 2 or 3 years I believe. Cuban might also anticipate Luka and Kyrie leaving now he've seen it's might not be not working (duh!) and then a rebuild where he'd keep that FPR.

[baseline bum]

Charlotte is doing the lords work, securing a top 3 pick for the Spurs as well as pouring tons of fuel on the ongoing Mavericks dumpster fire.

Nah man they're securing a bottom three seed for the Spurs, giving them the best possible odds at a top 3 pick. But it's still only a 40.17% chance of picking in the top 3.

[baseline bum]

As of now the spurs, Houston and Detroit have 8 games left. Don't think the pistons win anything much so they'll have the worst record. The spurs are going to continue to lose hoping that Houston somehow wins 1 game. If that happens, they'll both have 19 wins and its a coin flip for the 2nd worst record. No way the spurs try to win after that point. Sure they'll both have a 14 pct. chance of getting the top pick, but neither will fall below the 7th pick at worst and that's something to shoot for (sort of) . Not worried about passing Charlotte one bit.


It honestly doesn't make much difference whether the Spurs finish 2nd or 3rd. The expected value for the pick for the 2nd worst record is 3.86, while the expected value for the pick with the 3rd worst record is 4.06. Even Detroit's expected value for their pick is 3.66.

[MultiTroll]

Excellent game by Pop today.
Doogie and Grahams combined 2-15 outstanding.

[rascal]

It honestly doesn't make much difference whether the Spurs finish 2nd or 3rd. The expected value for the pick for the 2nd worst record is 3.86, while the expected value for the pick with the 3rd worst record is 4.06. Even Detroit's expected value for their pick is 3.66.

Better to get the higher 2nd round pick. Can make the difference in getting a better player. You must not play fantasy sports where you draft a team. Often you lose out on a targeted player by one or two picks.

[DPG21920]

Possible, but not one play in team so far has won a PO series... They know they're not contending this year but can still luck (long shot) into Wemby or a top 3 pick... 2% is still 2%. Their pick becomes a SRP in 2 or 3 years I believe. Cuban might also anticipate Luka and Kyrie leaving now he've seen it's might not be not working (duh!) and then a rebuild where he'd keep that FPR.

Definitely possible but would make the trade for Kyrie look amazingly silly sense they gave up a first…but honestly, if they wanted to blow it up Luka would command such a massive package it would not matter.

Like, I would trade #1 pick for Luka probably if Spurs landed it and Dallas made that offer.

[DPG21920]

Nah man they're securing a bottom three seed for the Spurs, giving them the best possible odds at a top 3 pick. But it's still only a 40.17% chance of picking in the top 3.

Ya - Spurs have to survive those picks 7, 6 & 5 still and it will be scary come time for those picks to be announced.

[rascal]

Definitely possible but would make the trade for Kyrie look amazingly silly sense they gave up a first…but honestly, if they wanted to blow it up Luka would command such a massive package it would not matter.

Like, I would trade #1 pick for Luka probably if Spurs landed it and Dallas made that offer.

I wouldn't trade Wemby for Luka.

[DPG21920]

I wouldn't trade Wemby for Luka.

I get both sides of the argument - I guess I would rephrase it that theres only a few players I would even entertain it for and Luka is one. Giannis is another. Not sure who else.

[baseline bum]

I wouldn't trade Wemby for Luka.

I would in a second if (and only if) Doncic wanted to be here. Which he probably wouldn't so I guess the argument is moot.

[scott]

I would in a second if (and only if) Doncic wanted to be here. Which he probably wouldn't so I guess the argument is moot.

Yeah, the trade would have to come with an extension (which I'm not even sure he is eligible for).

[DPG21920]

Yeah, the trade would have to come with an extension (which I'm not even sure he is eligible for).

He already just signed one…hes under contract for 4 more years (last year a PO)

[K...]

luka would also need to sign a no whataburger waiver or he'd zion himself in two weeks

[heyheymymy]

lol they have whataburgers in Dallas too man

[KobesAchilles]

People who wouldn’t trade for Luka are nuts. You do that trade in a heartbeat. It’s a lot easier to build around Luka than people think. You just surround him with shooters and a rim protector. That’s pretty much it. The fact that Dallas has fucked up their roster so badly has nothing to do with Luka.

[Dejounte]

Um, yeah. It would be foolish not to trade the #1 pick for Doncic. He’s already on his way to HOF status.

[spurraider21]

Luka is Luka but the #1 pick could be anything. It could even be another Luka!

[Mr. Body]

SAS has dropped way down to having the 16th worst remaining schedule in the league. This is calculated by winning percentage of opponents. Of the 'top' teams faced, only Sacramento is more or less settled in position (good for them) while Phoenix, Golden State, and Minnesota are still fighting to even get in without the play-in. The 'easier' games are Portland, Utah, and Dallas. Portland looks to have pulled the plug once again.

CHA is essentially out of the picture. I believe the Spurs need one more loss or Hornets victory and they are cemented as third at worst.

HOU is still in question. They are listed as the 25th easiest schedule, with Denver, Knicks, and Nets marked as hard. Those last two, however, are erratic. The rest are Charlotte, Washington, Lakers, and Pistons.

The Pistons-Rockets game is one to (not) watch. It's likely the Rockets win, putting them in a tie with the Spurs. The Spurs would need to lose out, which is possible, for this to happen.

[exstatic]

SAS has dropped way down to having the 16th worst remaining schedule in the league. This is calculated by winning percentage of opponents. Of the 'top' teams faced, only Sacramento is more or less settled in position (good for them) while Phoenix, Golden State, and Minnesota are still fighting to even get in without the play-in. The 'easier' games are Portland, Utah, and Dallas. Portland looks to have pulled the plug once again.

CHA is essentially out of the picture. I believe the Spurs need one more loss or Hornets victory and they are cemented as third at worst.

HOU is still in question. They are listed as the 25th easiest schedule, with Denver, Knicks, and Nets marked as hard. Those last two, however, are erratic. The rest are Charlotte, Washington, Lakers, and Pistons.

The Pistons-Rockets game is one to (not) watch. It's likely the Rockets win, putting them in a tie with the Spurs. The Spurs would need to lose out, which is possible, for this to happen.

It would still come down to a coin flip, as there are no draft tie-breakers. I know there are two schools of thought on this, but IDGAF about 5th or 7th being the lowest spot for us. If it comes down to that, we're already screwed. Hit the magic #2 to lock position 3, then go out and kick some ass and be a spoiler.

[Seventyniner]

If I understand things correctly, the only way a Spurs/Rockets tie would matter is if neither of them get a top 4 pick. Then a coinflip would determine who gets #5 and #6 (if the Pistons get a top 4 pick) or #6/#7 (if the Pistons don't).

[buttsR4rebounding]

If I understand things correctly, the only way a Spurs/Rockets tie would matter is if neither of them get a top 4 pick. Then a coinflip would determine who gets #5 and #6 (if the Pistons get a top 4 pick) or #6/#7 (if the Pistons don't).

Would the loser of the coin flip get the 32nd pick. Don't they swap positions in the 2nd round?

[offset formation]

If I understand things correctly, the only way a Spurs/Rockets tie would matter is if neither of them get a top 4 pick. Then a coinflip would determine who gets #5 and #6 (if the Pistons get a top 4 pick) or #6/#7 (if the Pistons don't).

That's my understanding as well and further evidence of the inanity of this process imho.

[Ariel]

If I understand things correctly, the only way a Spurs/Rockets tie would matter is if neither of them get a top 4 pick. Then a coinflip would determine who gets #5 and #6 (if the Pistons get a top 4 pick) or #6/#7 (if the Pistons don't).

Would the loser of the coin flip get the 32nd pick. Don't they swap positions in the 2nd round?
Both correct. The tiebreakers are usually decided shortly after the regular season ends.

[Seventyniner]

Would the loser of the coin flip get the 32nd pick. Don't they swap positions in the 2nd round?

Good point about the second round pick, I forgot about that. I think that if the Spurs and Rockets tie and neither gets a top 4 pick, then the winner of the coinflip will get the higher first round pick but lower second round pick.

If one or both teams jump into the top 4, there will still be a coinflip but only for the second round pick.

[Ariel]

To be more precise, the tiebreaker is held before the lottery, but the final order of both first and second round is known after the lottery.
This is because the second round selection for tied lottery teams happens in inverse order to the first round, and the latter is only known after the lottery.

[spurraider21]

well... its a virtual lock that we are a bottom 3 team and have secured the max probabilities of landing the top 4 picks. we've done our part. up to dumb luck now.

[Mr. Body]

To be more precise, the tiebreaker is held before the lottery, but the final order of both first and second round is known after the lottery.
This is because the second round selection for tied lottery teams happens in inverse order to the first round, and the latter is only known after the lottery.

Right, I would think the tiebreaker has to occur before the lottery. You can't have two teams going into the lottery with duplicate odds. This throws the whole system off.

[offset formation]

Um, yeah. It would be foolish not to trade the #1 pick for Doncic. He’s already on his way to HOF status.

Not foolish but it'd mean you are damn sure of yourself in taking Wembanyama as a generational talent. Because if not you have to take Luka and the almost guaranteed top 10 best player in the NBA for another 10 to maybe even 15 more yrs.

[rascal]

Not foolish but it'd mean you are damn sure of yourself in taking Wembanyama as a generational talent. Because if not you have to take Luka and the almost guaranteed top 10 best player in the NBA for another 10 to maybe even 15 more yrs.

I'm taking Wemby.

[offset formation]

I'm taking Wemby.

As am I, man. As good as Luka is, it's a stretch to say he elevates his teammates despite the assist numbers. Something about his game just seems selfish

[Dex]

As am I, man. As good as Luka is, it's a stretch to say he elevates his teammates despite the assist numbers. Something about his game just seems selfish

Agreed, Luka is definitely super talented (near MVP level) but a lot of it feels like empty calories...which is why the Mavs are currently on the outside looking in for the playoff picture.

That said...Cuban hasn't done a great job getting him help, Kidd still hasn't proven anything as a coach, and the Kyrie thing has blown up spectacularly in their face as did Porzingis.

Plus the guy is just such a huge diva on the court, it makes it hard to really root for him

[benefactor]

You are a fucking idiot if you say you aren't trading number one for Doncic. I swear ST has no limits when it comes to brain damage.

[benefactor]

I'm taking Wemby.


You are a fucking idiot if you say you aren't trading number one for Doncic. I swear ST has no limits when it comes to brain damage.
Exhibit A

[scott]

It's a fun thought exercise. Let's take a look at the choice going into the 2003 draft and you've got #1 (LeBron).

Do you trade the rights to LeBron for these guys:

All NBA First Team was: Kobe, TMac, Tim, KG, Shaq. I'm going to assume Kobe and Tim are off the table here.
All NBA Second Team was: JKidd, AI, Chris Webber, Dirk, Ben Wallace.

Assuming Kobe and Tim are off the table, I'm not sure I am trading LeBron for any of those guys (and I would trade Bron for Tim but not sure about Kobe, that's a tough one). KG might be the only other question mark in there, but I'm still taking Bron.

In the modern example, I think you have to trade Wemby for Giannis. I prob don't trade Wemby for Jokic. I'm still a toss up on Luka. Tatum might honestly be the only other guy I'd consider. Steph, Durant, LeBron are out based on age. Ja is out based on off the court and position value. I'd also rather take Wemby than Embiid at this point in Embiid's career, but that's another close one.

[TD 21]

As am I, man. As good as Luka is, it's a stretch to say he elevates his teammates despite the assist numbers. Something about his game just seems selfish

That, the 5 year age gap (though you could argue Doncic is young enough and Wembanyama's body type worrisome enough to offset it) and the fact that the latter's two-way ceiling is in another galaxy.

With the exception or Jordan and James, I still think a two-way center is and always will be the most valuable archetype in the sport.

[Dex]

You are a fucking idiot if you say you aren't trading number one for Doncic. I swear ST has no limits when it comes to brain damage.

Counterpoint: You take Wemby and you have him for at least a few years on a rookie contract with a good chance at extension. You can build around that.

You trade the pick for Luka, and you're also trading for the $180M he is owed over the next 4 years (with a player option in the 4th).

I understand Luka is a known commodity, but he could also be a malcontent who wants to force his way out of San Antonio when the going gets tough. He's already obviously frustrated with the Mavs.

I'm not saying your logic is wrong, but it's also not as simple as you seem to be making it out to be.

[offset formation]

Exhibit A

They're currently only 3 spots above us in the standings. Outside of the playoffs as we speak. In our WORST year in the last ~25 seasons. And they have largely been healthy all year. And are chock full of veterans. They shouldn't be below a 4 or 5 seed, at WORST, right now.

Yet they remain outside the playoffs?!?

Haha.

And you want to look down your nose at those of us wanting to maybe take a gamble on the next potential Lebron and Michael? For a guy that isn't doing much of shit for his team right now?


ST indeed has no limits.

[offset formation]

That, the 5 year age gap (though you could argue Doncic is young enough and Wembanyama's body type worrisome enough to offset it) and the fact that the latter's two-way ceiling is in another galaxy.

With the exception or Jordan and James, I still think a two-way center is and always will be the most valuable archetype in the sport.

This.

[benefactor]

Counterpoint: You take Wemby and you have him for at least a few years on a rookie contract with a good chance at extension. You can build around that.

You trade the pick for Luka, and you're also trading for the $180M he is owed over the next 4 years (with a player option in the 4th).

I understand Luka is a known commodity, but he could also be a malcontent who wants to force his way out of San Antonio when the going gets tough. He's already obviously frustrated with the Mavs.

I'm not saying your logic is wrong, but it's also not as simple as you seem to be making it out to be.
It is that simple. You are arguing semantics in a scenario that involves a top three/five player in the league against a kid who hasn't played a single minute. He's trapped on one of the most dysfunctional franchises in the league. He's suddenly a diva because he's not Dirk and won't just sit around and take a flogging from Cuban and stay loyal no matter what? Circumstances be damned you go with Luka over rolling the dice on film from a rookie that for now is nothing but hype.

[benefactor]

Ceiling....:lol

We have seen Lukas ceiling. He's a fucking superstar right now. You motherfuckers are like Pistons fans waiting on Darko to arrive.

I'm not saying Wemby won't be good. His potential is God level. But the much better gamble is taking a real superstar out of a toxic environment and giving him a coach who has been working with overseas players his whole fucking coaching career. Let's be serious, Parker could have very easily become a Luka under Cuban. And yes, Pop got to mold him from a kid. But betting on a superstar who will likely become one of the best players ever is far and away better than betting on an unknown.

I honesty have no idea why this needs to be explained.

Oh yeah, Spurs Forum.

[benefactor]

And please, keep that age-old Spurs Forum money argument out if it. He's Luka Fucking Doncic. He deserves every penny.

:lol calling him a known commodity like he's a bag of chips on the shelf. Jesus fuck listen to yourself

[benefactor]

They're currently only 3 spots above us in the standings. Outside of the playoffs as we speak. In our WORST year in the last ~25 seasons. And they have largely been healthy all year. And are chock full of veterans. They shouldn't be below a 4 or 5 seed, at WORST, right now.

Yet they remain outside the playoffs?!?

Haha.

And you want to look down your nose at those of us wanting to maybe take a gamble on the next potential Lebron and Michael? For a guy that isn't doing much of shit for his team right now?


ST indeed has no limits.
:lol...indeed it has no limits. I look down my nose at you because of garbage posts like this. And the sad thing is you typed it thinking it was a decent take. Horseshit like you just spewed is a big reason I abandoned the upstairs long ago. But hey, keep fucking that chicken if it makes you feel good.

[benefactor]

And it's funny you bring up Jordan. Your fucking ass would have probably been ready to bail on him after his first four seasons with no real playoff success.

[offset formation]

:lol...indeed it has no limits. I look down my nose at you because of garbage posts like this. And the sad thing is you typed it thinking it was a decent take. Horseshit like you just spewed is a big reason I abandoned the upstairs long ago. But hey, keep fucking that chicken if it makes you feel good.

Typed it feeling like it was an awesome take...then you ruined my confidence.

And don't knock chicken-fuckin until you've tried it.

Wembanyama is the proper pick.

[baseline bum]

It's a fun thought exercise. Let's take a look at the choice going into the 2003 draft and you've got #1 (LeBron).

Do you trade the rights to LeBron for these guys:

All NBA First Team was: Kobe, TMac, Tim, KG, Shaq. I'm going to assume Kobe and Tim are off the table here.
All NBA Second Team was: JKidd, AI, Chris Webber, Dirk, Ben Wallace.

Assuming Kobe and Tim are off the table, I'm not sure I am trading LeBron for any of those guys (and I would trade Bron for Tim but not sure about Kobe, that's a tough one). KG might be the only other question mark in there, but I'm still taking Bron.

In the modern example, I think you have to trade Wemby for Giannis. I prob don't trade Wemby for Jokic. I'm still a toss up on Luka. Tatum might honestly be the only other guy I'd consider. Steph, Durant, LeBron are out based on age. Ja is out based on off the court and position value. I'd also rather take Wemby than Embiid at this point in Embiid's career, but that's another close one.

No chance whatsoever I'd trade Wembanyama for Tatum. Tatum's not a franchise guy, he's a second tier star. Tatum's a nice guy to have if you have depth but he's not a turn the franchise around kind of guy. Embiid is when healthy but he's a China doll so no upside in taking him over Wemby. Doncic is about as close as you can get to say Miami LeBron (no way he's as good as first stint in Cleveland LeBron) and at age 24 I'd definitely want a happy to be here version of him over all the uncertainty with Wemby. Especially if the Spurs could convert some of that stash of first round picks into quality 25-32 year old vets.

[Rocalcio]

Luka is Luka but the #1 pick could be anything. It could even be another Luka! Or even better

[heyheymymy]

Sorry I'm rolling the dice on Wemby over a trade for Luka D but it has more to do with Luka being specifically Luka than the value exchange being debated. Luka is expensive, malcontented, physically a ticking time bomb, and not transcendent enough on the court for me. Wemby is a fresh start.

I'd be open to consider trading the Wemby pick for a different established superstar besides Luka though, just no actual player in the league right now that checks all my boxes to do the deal for.

[mo7888]

This has been a fascinating discussion... Luka vs Wembanyama... I'm not sure which way I'd go...the sure thing or the much higher ceiling... but the discussion has been enlightening..

[MultiTroll]

And don't knock chicken-fuckin until you've tried it.

Wembanyama is the proper pick.
The chicken rejected benefactors advances.

But did tell him to come back when he wasn't inebriated / steroid rage fueled.

[barakz21]

So assuming we end up picking 3, who’s do you guys think the spurs will likely pick? I know posters were thinking Miller was the likeliest pick at 3, but are divided on whether the Spurs will actually pick him due do that issue he had. But that was before Bama got upset.

[exstatic]

So assuming we end up picking 3, who’s do you guys think the spurs will likely pick? I know posters were thinking Miller was the likeliest pick at 3, but are divided on whether the Spurs will actually pick him due do that issue he had. But that was before Bama got upset.

Kind of a rash assumption. If you're looking at individual pick odds, the highest for the 3rd spot is #6 overall, at 26%. That might be the place to start if you're looking at one individual pick.

[Mr. Body]

So assuming we end up picking 3, who’s do you guys think the spurs will likely pick? I know posters were thinking Miller was the likeliest pick at 3, but are divided on whether the Spurs will actually pick him due do that issue he had. But that was before Bama got upset.

I don't think Miller or Amen/Ausar are out of the question. The team will dive deeply into them, give interviews, and so on. There's a contingent here that thinks they might try to trade down from that spot, but who knows.

[MultiTroll]

So assuming we end up picking 3, who’s do you guys think the spurs will likely pick? I know posters were thinking Miller was the likeliest pick at 3, but are divided on whether the Spurs will actually pick him due do that issue he had. But that was before Bama got upset.
Millers stock def dropped after the tournament choker.

I don't want to think about anything else until the Wama fantasy is fulfilled -or not.

[exstatic]

I don't think Miller or Amen/Ausar are out of the question. The team will dive deeply into them, give interviews, and so on. There's a contingent here that thinks they might try to trade down from that spot, but who knows.

After drafting a great kid out of a decent program (LW IV) with incandescent athleticism and no understanding of the game, I have a hard time seeing them pick one of the Twins in the first round. I mean Lonnie could at least shoot well, and wasn't playing against HS kids. We picked Lonnie at 18 with much more to go on, and he was a buster.

[Mr. Body]

After drafting a great kid out of a decent program (LW IV) with incandescent athleticism and no understanding of the game, I have a hard time seeing them pick one of the Twins in the first round. I mean Lonnie could at least shoot well, and wasn't playing against HS kids. We picked Lonnie at 18 with much more to go on, and he was a buster.

I don't disagree. I'm just saying the Spurs will check them out if they get that pick or #3. I'm not sure they can trade down. If they can't, then it's one of those guys or it's reaching for a Jarace Walker type.

[exstatic]

I don't disagree. I'm just saying the Spurs will check them out if they get that pick or #3. I'm not sure they can trade down. If they can't, then it's one of those guys or it's reaching for a Jarace Walker type.

“It’s one of those guys” kind of implies that their draft board looks like everyone else’s. It likely really doesn’t, and unless they have a trade lined up, they won’t just draft one of the Twins because teams behind them covet them. The Spurs always set up a complete draft board, and they draft the highest remaining player on their board if it’s a pick for themselves, and not a trade.

[rascal]

After drafting a great kid out of a decent program (LW IV) with incandescent athleticism and no understanding of the game, I have a hard time seeing them pick one of the Twins in the first round. I mean Lonnie could at least shoot well, and wasn't playing against HS kids. We picked Lonnie at 18 with much more to go on, and he was a buster.

Bad comparison, Thompson twins are both better, far more athleticism than Walker and are expected top 10 lottery picks.

[exstatic]

Bad comparison, Thompson twins are both better, far more athleticism than Walker and are expected top 10 lottery picks.

They can't shoot, and they're 20, playing against HS players. Lonnie already had an NBA season behind him when he was 20. Their athleticism is the only thing that stands out, and you can't lean into that in the NBA if you have no other fundamental skills.

Walker had a 40 inch vertical. Don't hype these kids over him unless you have receipts. That was the official draft combine measurement.

[spurraider21]

brandon miller had a god awful tournament. i liked him as the clear #3 in the draft until the off-court stuff became a huge issue. if that's tapered down, i still like miller at 3, but man the last couple weeks has been rough to watch

imo trade down from 3 would make sense, but i dont know that anybody is going to be looking to trade up

[K...]

Do people who put miller at 2 not realize that scoot Henderson had an amazing tourney run? Oh wait that didnt happen. And miller is saying he was injured. The virtue signaling fans need to STFU about Miller. Nobody knows what the spurs will do and the spurs haven't had a high pick in nearly forever (duncan was a lock).

Furthermore draft guides are fake.

Its a weird draft about half the top 10 could be foreign or G league

[heyheymymy]

Yeah I mean I wouldn't rule anything out. Time changes things and suppose I could see the vibe being different come draft day. If Spurs conduct interviews I bet they'll ask the right questions after all they've been through no doubt a high barrier for sure. If they're satisfied and select Brandon Miller it's gotta mean they felt comfortable. I'd support Miller. He'd be great on the court. Just feel like after all I've seen from SSE over the years drafting Miller would seem pretty unlikely at least with what we know now.

[Mr. Body]

Do people who put miller at 2 not realize that scoot Henderson had an amazing tourney run? Oh wait that didnt happen. And miller is saying he was injured. The virtue signaling fans need to STFU about Miller. Nobody knows what the spurs will do and the spurs haven't had a high pick in nearly forever (duncan was a lock).


You realize that if Miller is a dipshit and interviews confirm this, that's MORE reason not to take him, right?

And 'virtue signaling' is like 'woke' -- just a phrase idiots use.

[K...]

You realize that if Miller is a dipshit and interviews confirm this, that's MORE reason not to take him, right?

And 'virtue signaling' is like 'woke' -- just a phrase idiots use.

Yes, but wish casting a future of miller folding in an interview is not analysis. Any competent agent will coach a top 10 prospect. Too much money is at stake. I say woke because people are arguing passing over miller for stupid pre textual reasons. If someone out plays miller and scoot at the combine so be it.

Historically bad tournaments do no hurt prospects. I assumed this was known.

[Dejounte]

Top 5 prospects historically do not participate in the combine. Scoot and Miller are unlikely to be part of it.

[exstatic]

Top 5 prospects historically do not participate in the combine. Scoot and Miller are unlikely to be part of it.

They used to get weighed and measured, but now they will usually just talk to a few teams in their draft range. Later lottery picks will get weighed and measured. Borderline firsts and solid or borderline seconds will workout, shoot and scrimmage in some combination.

[offset formation]

Sorry I'm rolling the dice on Wemby over a trade for Luka D but it has more to do with Luka being specifically Luka than the value exchange being debated. Luka is expensive, malcontented, physically a ticking time bomb, and not transcendent enough on the court for me. Wemby is a fresh start.

I'd be open to consider trading the Wemby pick for a different established superstar besides Luka though, just no actual player in the league right now that checks all my boxes to do the deal for.

[Rocalcio]

He just played in the French Championship :

26pts (9/16 with 4/6 from deep), 10rbds, 3blks, 2assists

Here is an article (in French) with some highlights :

https://www.parlons-basket.com/2023/03/28/france-possede-victor-wembanyama-terrasse-le-mans-avec-des-sequences-folles/

[offset formation]

He just played in the French Championship :

26pts (9/16 with 4/6 from deep), 10rbds, 3blks, 2assists

Here is an article (in French) with some highlights :

https://www.parlons-basket.com/2023/03/28/france-possede-victor-wembanyama-terrasse-le-mans-avec-des-sequences-folles/

And did it against grown ass men. Unlike Scoot. Which isn't to say Scoot can't or won't be good, but there's a significant difference in quality between those 2 leagues

[spurraider21]

And did it against grown ass men. Unlike Scoot. Which isn't to say Scoot can't or won't be good, but there's a significant difference in quality between those 2 leagues
you've convinced me. i now think that with the #1 pick, i would take victor over scoot

[barakz21]

Kind of a rash assumption. If you're looking at individual pick odds, the highest for the 3rd spot is #6 overall, at 26%. That might be the place to start if you're looking at one individual pick.

Sorry, I’m no draftnik and don’t really pay much attention to draft odds and other stuff. Could you explain what you said? Not sure I’m tracking.

[barakz21]

Millers stock def dropped after the tournament choker.

I don't want to think about anything else until the Wama fantasy is fulfilled -or not.

Exactly. Before Bama got booted, it seemed like Miller was the consensus 3rd pick although he “making a push for 2”. The board was split on whether they want him for 3 (assuming that’s where the spurs end up picking) or if the spurs would even want him.

[barakz21]

I don't think Miller or Amen/Ausar are out of the question. The team will dive deeply into them, give interviews, and so on. There's a contingent here that thinks they might try to trade down from that spot, but who knows.

Yeah with the Spurs, seems like nothing is off the table based on how they’ve operated the past few years.

[JPB]

No way I trade the #1 pick for Luka. If Wemby doesn't materialize as superstar, I live with it but no way I take the risk to miss out on a potential GOAT and see him in Dallas. Specially for a psychologivally unstable diva would actually didn't achieve anything so far in the NBA and whose bad shape will become an issue over time.

Gimme Wemby.

[exstatic]

Sorry, I’m no draftnik and don’t really pay much attention to draft odds and other stuff. Could you explain what you said? Not sure I’m tracking.

https://www.tankathon.com/pick_odds

Scroll down past the useless section with ties included, which isn't a real world scenario. The pre lottery position is the column on the left going downward. The pick odds are the row going to the right, next to each position.

[TD 21]

:lmao At the spin job going on to protect the great white hope.


Didn't see the Trail Blazers finishing with the 5th worst record which now seems likely. In that case and given Lillard's loyalty and age, I could see them being handed Wembanyama. Either way, I get the sense they'll be moved into the top 3.

[exstatic]

:lmao At the spin job going on to protect the great white hope.


Didn't see the Trail Blazers finishing with the 5th worst record which now seems likely. In that case and given Lillard's loyalty and age, I could see them being handed Wembanyama. Either way, I get the sense they'll be moved into the top 3.

The NBA probably cares less about Portland than they do us.

[The Truth #6]

Way too early to say who they’ll pick. Once they eventually do the combine they’ll watch them play and then pick the best player. Done!


Lol.

[offset formation]

you've convinced me. i now think that with the #1 pick, i would take victor over scoot

Wasn't my point and you know this is disingenuous. I'm saying Scoot might not be worthy of that 2nd pick given his competition level is shyte in comparison to what a CLEAR #1 is doing against even better competition.

Despite the hard fall off in the tournament, Miller was putting up a hellfied season against very good SEC teams. Outside of any legal concerns, he might be tge wiser choice. That was my unspoken point that I gave the board the benefit of the doubt to pick up on. My apologies for granting that benefit to some here

[TD 21]

The NBA probably cares less about Portland than they do us.

Yet they gave them Oden in '07 . . . before you bring up Robinson and Duncan, that was before the Spurs became what they were known as.

It's not so much about them though than it is the message it'd send if it'd vault them into championship contention briefly.

[The Truth #6]

Wasn't my point and you know this is disingenuous. I'm saying Scoot might not be worthy of that 2nd pick given his competition level is shyte in comparison to what a CLEAR #1 is doing against even better competition.

Despite the hard fall off in the tournament, Miller was putting up a hellfied season against very good SEC teams. Outside of any legal concerns, he might be tge wiser choice. That was my unspoken point that I gave the board the benefit of the doubt to pick up on. My apologies for granting that benefit to some here

I think the unspoken logic is that every single other person here is a moron, but the individual poster, obviously, is a genius. So yeah, giving people some credit for having any knowledge, definitely frowned upon!

[BatManu20]

And with the 5th overall pick in the 2023 NBA Draft, the San Antonio Spurs select Jarace Grant, F from the University of Houston.

[SPURt]

Good win Charlotte! Thanks for the try!

[slick'81]

Mission completed

[tapiefan]

According to Eurosport french version, the best franchise for Victor are:
1- Portland
2- Indiana
3- Spurs
4- Orlando

https://www.eurosport.fr/basketball/nba/2022-2023/nba-quelles-seraient-les-franchises-ideales-pour-victor-wembanyama_sto9511793/story.shtml

[Rocalcio]

According to Eurosport french version, the best franchise for Victor are:
1- Portland
2- Indiana
3- Spurs
4- Orlando

https://www.eurosport.fr/basketball/nba/2022-2023/nba-quelles-seraient-les-franchises-ideales-pour-victor-wembanyama_sto9511793/story.shtml


I just read it and the arguments for Portland are lame. They’re stuck with Lillard who seems like he doesn’t give a shit about being a contender. He took the money and looks happy like that. Indiana makes more sense with Haliburton, but just like the article states, neither Portland or Indiana will get him in the draft.

[Ariel]

According to Eurosport french version, the best franchise for Victor are:
1- Portland
2- Indiana
3- Spurs
4- Orlando

https://www.eurosport.fr/basketball/nba/2022-2023/nba-quelles-seraient-les-franchises-ideales-pour-victor-wembanyama_sto9511793/story.shtml
Any list that starts with Portland is garbage: cursed franchise, awful medical staff, Dame on the way out, score first guards... but they have Nike's headquarters? :lol stupid choice. Orlando also seems like a weird fit, with Banchero and Wagner already on board... do they want Wemby to play center??? Whoever wrote that doesn't know sh!t.

[rascal]

Any list that starts with Portland is garbage: cursed franchise, awful medical staff, Dame on the way out, score first guards... but they have Nike's headquarters? :lol stupid choice. Orlando also seems like a weird fit, with Banchero and Wagner already on board... do they want Wemby to play center??? Whoever wrote that doesn't know sh!t.

The anger because they didn't put the Spurs first.

Portland would be a great destination.

[Ignazzz]

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1642586608011452417?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1642586608011452417%7Ctwgr% 5E6da08d365c7e746881e93064a2b88202738dc94f%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fe-nba.pl%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcont roller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FBl eacherReport%2Fstatus%2F1642586608011452417%3Ft%3D _D-SvGgsc9IDc4kCHXJoNA26s%3D19

[Chomag]

It's gonna hurt if we don't get this dude.

For his sake I hope he doesn't get picked by Rockets because he will rot there for a few years by that lousy ran franchise

[Mr. Body]

It's gonna hurt if we don't get this dude.


Dude, we're not getting him. Just prepare for the inevitable. 86% chance he goes to another team.

[slick'81]

2nd worst record here we come

[MultiTroll]

2nd worst record here we come
Do you know something about Houston we don't know? :lol

[MultiTroll]

Dude, we're not getting him. Just prepare for the inevitable.
Moderators please pink any Negative Nancys re Wemby til after the draft order selection.

[SpurPadre]

Dude, we're not getting him. Just prepare for the inevitable. 86% chance he goes to another team.

The other two teams with worse records can also say the same thing.

[BatManu20]

Pistons not messing around tbh.

1643252403607678976

[exstatic]

Pistons not messing around tbh.

1643252403607678976

Small sample size, but since the new flattened odds, the worst team has never pulled the #1 pick. In order; 7,3,2,2

[MultiTroll]

Small sample size, but since the new flattened odds, the worst team has never pulled the #1 pick. In order; 7,3,2,2
Wow, how small were the odds the year the worst record got jammed with 7th? :lol

[Mr. Body]

The win against the Kings shifted the lower pick odds a bit.

It shifted some percentage points from getting the 5th pick (-13%) to getting the 6th pick (+6%) and the new category 7th pick (+7%). But there was only a .500 chance of that anyway, since we would need a coinflip against the Rockets. And we have Dallas and Portland coming up, which will at least be competitive. Also, T-Wolves, who we beat twice earlier in the year.

[Ariel]

Wow, how small were the odds the year the worst record got jammed with 7th? :lol
Those are the teams that landed no. 1 since 2019: 7th worst, 3rd worst, 2nd worst, 2nd worst
Place for worst team since 2019: 3, 2, 2, 3
Place for 2nd worst team since 2019: 5, 5, 1, 1
Place for 3rd worst team since 2019: 6, 1, 5, 5
Note: in 2019 and 2020 2nd and 3rd were tied and determined by tiebreaker.

[JPB]

Small sample size, but since the new flattened odds, the worst team has never pulled the #1 pick. In order; 7,3,2,2

Yeah but that statiscally means chances are bigger it happens this year.

[Ariel]

Yeah but that statiscally means chances are bigger it happens this year.
?

[rascal]

Yeah but that statiscally means chances are bigger it happens this year.

What happened in year's past has nothing to do with this year's outcome. I'm sure you know that.

[MultiTroll]

Those are the teams that landed no. 1 since 2019: 7th worst, 3rd worst, 2nd worst, 2nd worst
Place for worst team since 2019: 3, 2, 2, 3
Place for 2nd worst team since 2019: 5, 5, 1, 1
Place for 3rd worst team since 2019: 6, 1, 5, 5
Note: in 2019 and 2020 2nd and 3rd were tied and determined by tiebreaker.
So if the trend holds, generally moving up a spot or two has been much better. Foolish win over the KIngs.

So the Pelicans in 7th place got the #1 Zion ping pong ball. What were the odds of that? Less then 2%?

Numerous posters called out Fattys diet but apparently the CBA prevents the owners from having any weight restrictions on the pampered players.

[spurraider21]

It's gonna hurt if we don't get this dude.

For his sake I hope he doesn't get picked by Rockets because he will rot there for a few years by that lousy ran franchise
yeah, if not us, best case is charlotte gets him to help that first round pick convey

otherwise from a pure basketball perspective detroit just seems like an awesome spot for him, alongside Duren, with Cunningham/Ivey already in place

[exstatic]

So if the trend holds, generally moving up a spot or two has been much better. Foolish win over the KIngs.

So the Pelicans in 7th place got the #1 Zion ping pong ball. What were the odds of that? Less then 2%? 7.5%

Numerous posters called out Fattys diet but apparently the CBA prevents the owners from having any weight restrictions on the pampered players. Zion has a weight clause in his SuperMax extension.

[MultiTroll]

^ good to know.
But sounds like it's a super light slap on the wrist for Fatty Zion.
Not an effective deterrent for him to stop shoveling burgers.

The weight clause states Zion must keep the sum of his weight and body fat percentage below 295; if not, the guaranteed money in his contract decreases. However, that doesn’t mean his checks get smaller — so long as the checks are coming he receives the full max amount. The clause means that if the Pelicans ever waive him, Zion’s guaranteed money he is still owed would be smaller.

[Mr. Body]

Houston smashing Denver with five left in the 4th.

[Ariel]

Sengun >>>>>> Jalen Green

[Ariel]

Sengun rubbing his d!ck all over Denver's face and he didn't even need to take it out of his pants. Take that Primo.

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The other two teams with worse records can also say the same thing.

And they'd be right. Odds of getting him are shit. Count on 3rd to 5th. Anything higher will just be gravy.
If we get 2nd, we should trade back because short of landing Wembanyama, this team's current ceiling trajectory is likely anywhere from barely play in to maybe a 3rd, 4th, or 5th seed if folks like Sochan, Vassell, and others reach full potential.

[BatManu20]

1651221070500823042

[exstatic]

Someone is going to get him, and it will likely be one of the top 3 teams. Since the new odds went into effect for the 2019 draft, the winners have been from positions 7,3,2,2. That’s a 75% hit rate for the top 3.

[Mr. Body]

Someone is going to get him, and it will likely be one of the top 3 teams. Since the new odds went into effect for the 2019 draft, the winners have been from positions 7,3,2,2. That’s a 75% hit rate for the top 3.

Higher than it should be? Top 4 combined is 54.5% to get number 1.

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrtUx3u9rBw&pp=ygUKd2VtYmFueWFtYQ%3D%3D

[Harry Callahan]

Smooth.....reminds me of Ralph Sampson. RS was really good when healthy...

[ace3g]

Random question, what do the "clutch time" stats say about Wembanyama?#NBADraft (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NBADraft)

[Barfunk]

NBA would/should be very happy if we happen to get Wemby, or hopefully another game changing player in this draft if we don't get the aforementioned. When in the playoff mix/contending, The Spurs were as good as ANY of the bandwagon ESPN-sponsored teams at filling up arenas on road games. Fans loved to come watch their team play the Spurs when we were good. A good Spurs team is good for the NBA.

[polandprzem]

He is not running much smoothly tbh and his legs patterns to me are so much asking or injury....

High risk if you ask me

[Sugus]

He is not running much smoothly tbh and his legs patterns to me are so much asking or injury....

High risk if you ask me

Anyone you hear saying Wemby is not a high-risk prospect is fooling themselves, absolutely. That's always been a part of his profile, and a "necessary evil" given the risk is directly correlated to his insane height and mobility.

Still a no-brainer pick - you take that gamble every single day, and twice on Sundays for a franchise like the Spurs.

[MultiTroll]

When is ping pong ball day?

[LeBowen]

When is ping pong ball day?

16th.

Two more weeks of suffering.

Dropping outside of top3 would be a diaster, but I'm fully prepared for it.

[Uriel]

Reminder that a 14% chance at Wembanyama means an 86% that we don’t get Wembanyama. In fact, we’re almost twice as likely to get pick #6 as pick #1.

The expected value of our draft pick is 4.1. So at this point, our best guess of where the Spurs will end up picking in the draft is #4.

[Alain]

Reminder that a 14% chance at Wembanyama means an 86% that we don’t get Wembanyama. In fact, we’re almost twice as likely to get pick #6 as pick #1.

The expected value of our draft pick is 4.1. So at this point, our best guess of where the Spurs will end up picking in the draft is #4.


Except if it's rigged...

If so, I have no doubt that 3 or 4 years in San Antonio is the best possible move for the league.

[Brazil]

Reminder that a 14% chance at Wembanyama means an 86% that we don’t get Wembanyama. In fact, we’re almost twice as likely to get pick #6 as pick #1.

The expected value of our draft pick is 4.1. So at this point, our best guess of where the Spurs will end up picking in the draft is #4.

well it is the same for the other tanking teams... so there is that

[exstatic]

Reminder that a 14% chance at Wembanyama means an 86% that we don’t get Wembanyama. In fact, we’re almost twice as likely to get pick #6 as pick #1.

The expected value of our draft pick is 4.1. So at this point, our best guess of where the Spurs will end up picking in the draft is #4.

The odds of us picking 4 are lower than the odds of us picking 1. The expected value is the mean, or average over many iterations. If you run the lottery 2 times, and pick first and 7th, your mean value is 4 without ever having picked 4th.

[rascal]

Except if it's rigged...

If so, I have no doubt that 3 or 4 years in San Antonio is the best possible move for the league.

As A Spur fan of course you think that.

[MultiTroll]

Timmy Dunker was only a 20% chance or so, right?

You Negative Nancys need to channel your energy on us getting Wama and returning to a 15 year run with Wama.

[rascal]

NBA would/should be very happy if we happen to get Wemby, or hopefully another game changing player in this draft if we don't get the aforementioned. When in the playoff mix/contending, The Spurs were as good as ANY of the bandwagon ESPN-sponsored teams at filling up arenas on road games. Fans loved to come watch their team play the Spurs when we were good. A good Spurs team is good for the NBA.

Spurs did not have good TV ratings in their NBA finals.

[barakz21]

Except if it's rigged...

If so, I have no doubt that 3 or 4 years in San Antonio is the best possible move for the league.

Man, hopefully Silver does us a solid and rigs the lottery in our favor. More often than not, and I hate to admit this but the Spurs have made interesting “villains” in the finals (at least from a non-Spurfan’s perspective), with the exception of 03 and 14.

99-antagonists to the Knicks’ Cinderella story
05-will they topple the defensive juggernaut of the Pistions?
07-will the King finally ascend to the throne?

[Alain]

As A Spur fan of course you think that.

There is a plan. The guy is the next biggest name, hilights machine, game changer...
They are taking care of his career since he's thirteen, sent him to Parker's team because Tony is a reliable and clever businessman, then to Paris for max exposure and personalized treatment, convinced coach Collet, who had other plans, to groom him during his last year in Europe. The least thing they want is to see him on a disfunctionnal team with boneheads and thugs, a bad coach and lunatic FO.
SA is the obvious destination for his rookie contract, before leaving to a bigger stage.

[exstatic]

There is a plan. The guy is the next biggest name, hilights machine, game changer...
They are taking care of his career since he's thirteen, sent him to Parker's team because Tony is a reliable and clever businessman, then to Paris for max exposure and personalized treatment, convinced coach Collet, who had other plans, to groom him during his last year in Europe. The least thing they want is to see him on a disfunctionnal team with boneheads and thugs, a bad coach and lunatic FO.
SA is the obvious destination for his rookie contract, before leaving to a bigger stage.

Yeah, if that's his fucking plan, then he can fucking rot in Houston.

[JPB]

He is not running much smoothly tbh and his legs patterns to me are so much asking or injury....

High risk if you ask me

Not sure what you mean, or if you've seen him play long enough, but being stunningly smooth, mobile and coordinated for his size is precisely what makes him so unique... And I'm also not sure anyone can make definitive judgments about injury risks with him. He's really special and different all around, and no one has any data or medical information about him to comfortly make any prediction.. He's being playing pro ball for 2 years and there's nothing letting anyone suggest there's more risks than with any other players, no matter his size. He might end up playing more games than Nephew in his career.... He's a no brainer anyway.

[Alain]

Yeah, if that's his fucking plan, then he can fucking rot in Houston.

Three years would be enough time for a run at N°6, you don't pass on that.
Can't say for sure that he would not stay. He's a good guy, not conceited or selfish (for now) but it's a business, and you pretty much know that TD was special (and not expected to be the face of the league anyway). Do you believe MJ, Kobe or Lebron would have stayed in SA ?

[exstatic]

Three years would be enough time for a run at N°6, you don't pass on that.
Can't say for sure that he would not stay. He's a good guy, not conceited or selfish (for now) but it's a business, and you pretty much know that TD was special (and not expected to be the face of the league anyway). Do you believe MJ, Kobe or Lebron would have stayed in SA ?

Three years isn't enough for a 'chip. His body isn't near robust enough to play a season yet. That will take 2 years.

If his plan is to go elsewhere, then he can start elsewhere. I don't plan on being a farm team for LA or NY.

[offset formation]

Three years isn't enough for a 'chip. His body isn't near robust enough to play a season yet. That will take 2 years.

If his plan is to go elsewhere, then he can start elsewhere. I don't plan on being a farm team for LA or NY.

Hate to say but I agree with this wholeheartedly. I'm not interested in SA being used as a developmental stop for any player/diva. Fuck all that nonsense.

That said, I'm also not convinced that's what he'd do. He doesn't strike me as a limelight guy. Not one to constantly be doing interviews or self-promoting social media postings, and the like. I feel like he knows how Parker thrived with one team for all but 1 yr of his career. SA seems to grow on most people, though certainly not all -- especially inner city kids (see neph and Demar). But Europeans and foreigners tend to enjoy it here.

[TD 21]

Man, hopefully Silver does us a solid and rigs the lottery in our favor. More often than not, and I hate to admit this but the Spurs have made interesting “villains” in the finals (at least from a non-Spurfan’s perspective), with the exception of 03 and 14.

99-antagonists to the Knicks’ Cinderella story
05-will they topple the defensive juggernaut of the Pistions?
07-will the King finally ascend to the throne?

'05 Spurs defensive rating: 98.8 = 1st.
'05 Pistons defensive rating: 101.2 = 3rd.

James was 22 during the '07 Finals, having dragged the Cavaliers to that point ahead of schedule.

[Alain]

That said, I'm also not convinced that's what he'd do. He doesn't strike me as a limelight guy. Not one to constantly be doing interviews or self-promoting social media postings, and the like. I feel like he knows how Parker thrived with one team for all but 1 yr of his career. SA seems to grow on most people, though certainly not all -- especially inner city kids (see neph and Demar). But Europeans and foreigners tend to enjoy it here.

Not saying he would not want to stay, and I"m sure he would appreciate being drafted by SA (as some people of his entourage already said off the reccord) but if the plan is to promote him as the next numero uno it is kind of logical to see him going to a big market team. Hope I'm wrong on that...

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Not saying he would not want to stay, and I"m sure he would appreciate being drafted by SA (as some people of his entourage already said off the reccord) but if the plan is to promote him as the next numero uno it is kind of logical to see him going to a big market team. Hope I'm wrong on that...

Understand. Not blaming the messenger. Just don't want him to use SA because it's good for him now until when he can move to a team in a shiny market. That stuff is basically the end of the NBA.

[JPB]

I genuinely believe if Wemby knows he can sustainably win in SA, he'd be fine staying here. As mentioned, euro guys are less fascinated by playing in big markets and LA or NY don't have the same "mythology" to them for foreigners... It's 2023 anyway, you can promote yourself from anywhere on social media and Wemby will drag attention on his mere name and game, independently of the market. He just like to play and win, build a good team around him and he'll be fine. Reason why I hope SA will be aggressive already this offseason in the trade and FA market if they land him.

[rascal]

Hate to say but I agree with this wholeheartedly. I'm not interested in SA being used as a developmental stop for any player/diva. Fuck all that nonsense.

That said, I'm also not convinced that's what he'd do. He doesn't strike me as a limelight guy. Not one to constantly be doing interviews or self-promoting social media postings, and the like. I feel like he knows how Parker thrived with one team for all but 1 yr of his career. SA seems to grow on most people, though certainly not all -- especially inner city kids (see neph and Demar). But Europeans and foreigners tend to enjoy it here.

He's going to be tempted by the Lakers wherever he goes. Lakers always have their eyes on the top prospects.

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He's going to be tempted by the Lakers wherever he goes. Lakers always have their eyes on the top prospects.

Lakers were born on third thinking they hit a triple. Nothing new there. The problem is if he feels he HAS to go there or NY or Miami or other high profile stop because the NBA fails to market him adequately outside of one of those markets. If that's the case, the NBA is unsustainable outside of a 6 team league. I understand the next CBA is supposed to address this even more deeply than they did with the last one specifically to stop what began with nephew's shenanigans.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/EricPincus/status/1653864718329843712

[rascal]

Lakers were born on third thinking they hit a triple. Nothing new there. The problem is if he feels he HAS to go there or NY or Miami or other high profile stop because the NBA fails to market him adequately outside of one of those markets. If that's the case, the NBA is unsustainable outside of a 6 team league. I understand the next CBA is supposed to address this even more deeply than they did with the last one specifically to stop what began with nephew's shenanigans.

The Lakers lured away Wilt , Abdul-Jabbar, Shaq and Lebron off other teams spanning 50 years and the NBA is still here.

[ambchang]

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/36290353/nba-draft-how-victor-wembanyama-fit-san-antonio-spurs

A relatively neutral take on how Wemby will fit on the Spurs. I love the part where they talk about how Wemby will fit in with the Spurs, I mean, he fits in with every single team in the league. I can't really think of any team that can't use Wemby.

[Rocalcio]

Yeah, if that's his fucking plan, then he can fucking rot in Houston.

He already said he would be happy in SA, and I actually posted that his whole family hopes he will land there. Stop thinking he’s attracted by big markets, he’s not that kind of kid.

[Rocalcio]

https://twitter.com/EricPincus/status/1653864718329843712

I like the last sentence : « Wembanyama is like a video game player with all the settings set to max come to life » ^^

[mo7888]

How high do you think 33 + 44 can get us?

How about 33 + 44 + cha pick?

I think there's going to be a couple interesting players in the 17-25 range that fall...

Also, how do you see Johnathan Isacc's value in Orlando right now?

[Mr. Body]

How high do you think 33 + 44 can get us?

How about 33 + 44 + cha pick?

I think there's going to be a couple interesting players in the 17-25 range that fall...

Also, how do you see Johnathan Isacc's value in Orlando right now?

I don't think the 44 will move the 33 much, maybe a few spots at most.

The CHA pick plus 33? Don't really know. I feel like that would get you into the 20s. Difficult one because it may not convey, yet is better than the pick they're getting. (Tho teams value current drafts far more than future ones.)

I agree that there are players who will get hit in the range you mention, just like last year when Kessler and Branham were found there.

[mo7888]

I don't think the 44 will move the 33 much, maybe a few spots at most.

The CHA pick plus 33? Don't really know. I feel like that would get you into the 20s. Difficult one because it may not convey, yet is better than the pick they're getting. (Tho teams value current drafts far more than future ones.)

I agree that there are players who will get hit in the range you mention, just like last year when Kessler and Branham were found there.

Some of the mocks that came out today are kinda wild... Hawkins ranging from 10 in one mock to mid 20's in another..(I've got him in tier 4 at #9)... Jackson and Murray in the mid 20's (I've got them mid teens)... any of those 3 guys in the mid 20's look like a nice fit here in certain scenarios to me.

On the Jonathan Issac question, I'm wondering how much Orlando wants to get off of his contract...

[Drom John]

Pelton Draft pick trade value chart:


Here's an updated version of my draft pick trade value chart that takes into account this year's increase in salaries for first-round picks. As always, note that this reflects what picks should be worth based on historical outcomes. In practice, teams pay a premium to move up.

#44 = 440 points
#33 = 590 points
= 1030 points

#22 = 1040 points
#23 = 980 points

[mo7888]

Pelton Draft pick trade value chart:



#44 = 440 points
#33 = 590 points
= 1030 points

#22 = 1040 points
#23 = 980 points

Thanks.... that looks like a move we should explore..

[Ariel]

I don't think the 44 will move the 33 much, maybe a few spots at most.

The CHA pick plus 33? Don't really know. I feel like that would get you into the 20s. Difficult one because it may not convey, yet is better than the pick they're getting. (Tho teams value current drafts far more than future ones.)

I agree that there are players who will get hit in the range you mention, just like last year when Kessler and Branham were found there.
On paper your guess sounds fair, but it depends a lot on the circumstances. Charlotte essentially traded #13 for a lottery protected pick from a contender (ultimately ended at 27) plus a few seconds. That's not fair value, yet they didn't want to take on the guaranteed salary of an extra pick. So who knows.

[Ariel]

Pelton Draft pick trade value chart:



#44 = 440 points
#33 = 590 points
= 1030 points

#22 = 1040 points
#23 = 980 points
It's EXTREMELY unlikely #44 gets you to jump from #33 to #23

[Alain]

He already said he would be happy in SA, and I actually posted that his whole family hopes he will land there. Stop thinking he’s attracted by big markets, he’s not that kind of kid.

Nobody said he's attracted by big markets, but you should know how the NBA is functionning in terms of marketing. They need a player to be THE megastar, the face of the league, recognised everywhere around the globe, even by non basketball fans. Next time you meet non sports-fans friends talk about Doncic, Jokic, Embiid, Harden, Durant or Giannis (or TD for the matter)... then say: Jordan, Kobe, Shaq, Lebron, well I guess you get it. And what happened to these megastar players, where did they go ? Did they really have the choice ?

[Ignazzz]

Jump for +3 not for +10

[Mr. Body]

It's EXTREMELY unlikely #44 gets you to jump from #33 to #23

Yeah, I don't think the #44 is worth much. At least in draft capital. A team may want to buy it, one that doesn't have any picks or really wants another swing.

[exstatic]

Yeah, I don't think the #44 is worth much. At least in draft capital. A team may want to buy it, one that doesn't have any picks or really wants another swing.

With three FRPs in the hopper from last year, and another from this draft, I pretty much see us selling both SRPs this year.

[mo7888]

With three FRPs in the hopper from last year, and another from this draft, I pretty much see us selling both SRPs this year.

I definitely don't think we're adding 3 rookies to this roster..

[Ariel]

With three FRPs in the hopper from last year, and another from this draft, I pretty much see us selling both SRPs this year.
There's no reason we don't take on 2 prospects, provided they're interesting. This is as good of a time as any to develop talent. Unlikely 3, though (except draft & stash for, say, Nnaji or Coulibaly).

[Mr. Body]

With three FRPs in the hopper from last year, and another from this draft, I pretty much see us selling both SRPs this year.

My feeling is they'll try to pull two rookies. That #33 is a bit tasty but odd -- it's worth more than teams will pay for it, but not that much alone in trade.

I agree with mo7888 that we're likely to see some good prospects tumble out of the lottery. It's a weird draft. Not like I'd NOT want a top pick, but I feel like the value is skewed in ways I've made clear elsewhere. I think you'll see late lottery value in the early twenties, maybe even mid-lottery value.

[Ariel]

If someone interesting is out there (regardless of range) and we can get him with Charlotte's pick + #33 + #44 + as many future seconds as necessary, I'm all for it. Say Keyonte George falls to 15 or 16 (not likely, but possible), I'll do it. Charlotte's pick is capped at 15 and may not convey at all, so why wait if you can use it now.

[JPB]

There's no reason we don't take on 2 prospects, provided they're interesting. This is as good of a time as any to develop talent. Unlikely 3, though (except draft & stash for, say, Nnaji or Coulibaly).

Coulibaly is a first rounder, potentially late lottery (or even higher) He won't be be stashed.

[mo7888]

Coulibaly is a first rounder, potentially late lottery (or even higher) He won't be be stashed.

I think he's going in the late teens to early 20's..but several mocks have him falling to the 2nd round....

[Ariel]

Coulibaly is a first rounder, potentially late lottery (or even higher) He won't be be stashed.
First rounder, possibly. Lottery, extremely unlikely. As for his status, he's very raw, could definitely use another season in Europe. But it will depend on him, his agent, and whatever team is interested.

[spurraider21]

a relevant tidbit to draft pick talk is that its been reported by Stein that miles bridges is widely expected to re-sign with the hornets. they also have 2 firsts this year (one high pick, one back end pick from denver). most of their key players are otherwise back, and their top FA's (bridges, washington, oubre) are all restricted and could be brought back. cupcake has already made comments that whatever cap room/flexibility they have probably wont be spent on a marquee FA, but rather to sign back their own guys

that does have the look of a playoff roster

[rascal]

On paper your guess sounds fair, but it depends a lot on the circumstances. Charlotte essentially traded #13 for a lottery protected pick from a contender (ultimately ended at 27) plus a few seconds. That's not fair value, yet they didn't want to take on the guaranteed salary of an extra pick. So who knows.

The Jazz have three first round picks. That's the team to target in a trade.

[rascal]

There's no reason we don't take on 2 prospects, provided they're interesting. This is as good of a time as any to develop talent. Unlikely 3, though (except draft & stash for, say, Nnaji or Coulibaly).

Agree

It's not like the Spurs roster is locked in with top talent now and cannot take on three more prospects this year.

[rascal]

If someone interesting is out there (regardless of range) and we can get him with Charlotte's pick + #33 + #44 + as many future seconds as necessary, I'm all for it. Say Keyonte George falls to 15 or 16 (not likely, but possible), I'll do it. Charlotte's pick is capped at 15 and may not convey at all, so why wait if you can use it now.

Why would another team want to trade away a mid first this year for that Charlotte pick that may not even convey and 33 + 44. That package isn't worth a mid first

Now if you offer the Toronto pick next year straight up with no other pick then that could be tempting for a team to make the trade. The Spurs get a mid first round pick this year that they are high on.

[JPB]

First rounder, possibly. Lottery, extremely unlikely. As for his status, he's very raw, could definitely use another season in Europe. But it will depend on him, his agent, and whatever team is interested.

He started the season raw but clearly refined his game to show his potential but you're right on saying it will depend on him, reason why if he's drafted FR, (and I have no doubts he will, nor do I personnally believe lottery is that improbable) I don't see him wanting to stay one more year in Europe nor a team wasting a FRP to stash him... Might as well develop in the NBA since the potential is here... And truth to be told, he isn't rawer than a lot of these lottery projected kids.

I believe Bilal could be the surprise of this overall meh and not that exciting draft behind Wemby. He could be somebody's reach.

[Rocalcio]

Nobody said he's attracted by big markets, but you should know how the NBA is functionning in terms of marketing. They need a player to be THE megastar, the face of the league, recognised everywhere around the globe, even by non basketball fans. Next time you meet non sports-fans friends talk about Doncic, Jokic, Embiid, Harden, Durant or Giannis (or TD for the matter)... then say: Jordan, Kobe, Shaq, Lebron, well I guess you get it. And what happened to these megastar players, where did they go ? Did they really have the choice ?

Chicago isn't a big market, and James was already the face of the NBA when he was in Cleveland.

[Teamduncan21]

Nobody said he's attracted by big markets, but you should know how the NBA is functionning in terms of marketing. They need a player to be THE megastar, the face of the league, recognised everywhere around the globe, even by non basketball fans. Next time you meet non sports-fans friends talk about Doncic, Jokic, Embiid, Harden, Durant or Giannis (or TD for the matter)... then say: Jordan, Kobe, Shaq, Lebron, well I guess you get it. And what happened to these megastar players, where did they go ? Did they really have the choice ?


To be fair, Kobe Shaq and lebron has multiple championships. Like 4-5 and has many finals appearances.

Duncan too. But others aren't really that successful. Maybe Durant. But he is remembered for moving to warriors more.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Chicago isn't a big market, and James was already the face of the NBA when he was in Cleveland.
https://sun9-44.userapi.com/impg/W0kyejwe0mwyWqLCU3L80IQCKuazImn8K4k7CA/39cjV_bH378.jpg?size=841x684&quality=96&sign=5a8a4c9885f97512a3d14b0e72d086f5&type=album
https://hoop-social.com/nba-team-market-size-rankings/

[Ariel]

He started the season raw but clearly refined his game to show his potential but you're right on saying it will depend on him, reason why if he's drafted FR, (and I have no doubts he will, nor do I personnally believe lottery is that improbable) I don't see him wanting to stay one more year in Europe nor a team wasting a FRP to stash him... Might as well develop in the NBA since the potential is here... And truth to be told, he isn't rawer than a lot of these lottery projected kids.

I believe Bilal could be the surprise of this overall meh and not that exciting draft behind Wemby. He could be somebody's reach.
He wasn't playing in his own first team until not long ago, he's definitely not ready for the NBA, and the fact that there are other players who are also not ready (like GG Jackson, for instance) doesn't change that. I think this next season there won't be many teams tanking hard and giving much playing time to projects, certainly Houston and Detroit aren't expected to do so after their coaches being dismissed, and the rest of the lottery teams (Orlando, Indiana, Charlotte, Utah, OKC, Dallas, Washington, etc) are definitely looking to compete. I think he goes in the late 20s, with Portland, Utah and Indiana being the most likely targets. If that's the case, clock starts ticking and you have 2 guaranteed years only to show you're worth something. One more year in Europe makes a lot of sense for him, rather than being buried in the G League and playing garbage minutes in the NBA. But again, usually these things are arranged with players and agents, so it'll come down to that. I believe he'd be a very interesting bet for the Spurs in the event he falls to our pick, not likely (I said he should go in the mid to late 20s IMO) but definitely not impossible. But if we trade up a few positions with a team that has several late firsts and use it on him, He should make for a pretty interesting gamble.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1654487896865267713

[scott]

Did I really just read that Chicago isn't a big market?

[exstatic]

Did I really just read that Chicago isn't a big market?

The comedy troupe Second City, from Chicago, was literally named that, because at the time, Chicago was the second largest city in America,

[Rocalcio]

https://sun9-44.userapi.com/impg/W0kyejwe0mwyWqLCU3L80IQCKuazImn8K4k7CA/39cjV_bH378.jpg?size=841x684&quality=96&sign=5a8a4c9885f97512a3d14b0e72d086f5&type=album
https://hoop-social.com/nba-team-market-size-rankings/

Maybe third but way under the two firsts ;)

[Rocalcio]

Did I really just read that Chicago isn't a big market?

I said that considering how attractive it can be for a player, it’s nothing compared to NY or LA.

[John B]

https://sun9-44.userapi.com/impg/W0kyejwe0mwyWqLCU3L80IQCKuazImn8K4k7CA/39cjV_bH378.jpg?size=841x684&quality=96&sign=5a8a4c9885f97512a3d14b0e72d086f5&type=album
https://hoop-social.com/nba-team-market-size-rankings/


I think GSW fan base combines the whole of Bay Area, SF, Oakland and San Jose which is about 7.7 mil instead, not including the bandwagon fans everywhere :lol

[Mr. Body]

I think GSW fan base combines the whole of Bay Area, SF, Oakland and San Jose which is about 7.7 mil instead, not including the bandwagon fans everywhere :lol

And, as you suggest, they barely had any fans before Curry. Size of metro area is one thing, fanbase is another.

Raptors have a large and rabid fanbase because they represent a larger Canadian area. Even if that's only Ontario that's a lot.

Thunder have a very large fanbase because a lot of Millennials followed them when they were kids because of Durant-Westbrook-Harden and never grew out of it. No way some shit city in a shit state should have that kind of fanbase.

[BackHome]

Coulibaly is a first rounder, potentially late lottery (or even higher) He won't be be stashed.

Just for fun I have been looking at the 2024 mock drafts which all pretty much have us being really bad but two have us picking the kid in the top 10. So unless he gets a wink wink he might stay in and come out in 2024. I liked him as our pick in the second round will see what happens and where he falls as in every draft a certain amount of players will be moving up and downs as the draft takes place

[JPB]

He wasn't playing in his own first team until not long ago, he's definitely not ready for the NBA,

It isn't not only a negative point that he didn't start on his own first team, but that's actually a positive one that shows how leaps and bounds he took this year. And I don't care where he started the season, all these college guys or the twins didn't play any (real) pro game this season, contrary to Bilal, I just watched what he showed and I'm stiil waiting what exactly doesn't put him in the same conversation as the twins or Whitmore who didn't show more and actually less for most...

This is a serious question: what in all hell did the twins show that really puts them higher than a Bilal, besides being mediocre against teens and showing they can't shoot or defend? Answer: pundits hype. Put BIlal the last 6 months in OTE and he would have as much, if not more hype than the twins.

[Dejounte]

Bilal’s being insanely overhyped on ST (and probably the only place where he is). I’ve watched full games with Bilal, nothing he’s done warrants the hype right now. Going in, I saw Rupert and Bilal as similar players and Rupert is the better version because his offensive game is more advanced.

[Dejounte]

…in before cherry picked stats or out of context stats that provide no value whatsoever.

or before, “bro, trust me. I’ve watched 10 mins of his highlights”

[baseline bum]

He already said he would be happy in SA, and I actually posted that his whole family hopes he will land there. Stop thinking he’s attracted by big markets, he’s not that kind of kid.

link?

[rascal]

Bilal’s being insanely overhyped on ST (and probably the only place where he is). I’ve watched full games with Bilal, nothing he’s done warrants the hype right now. Going in, I saw Rupert and Bilal as similar players and Rupert is the better version because his offensive game is more advanced.

Everyone says that Scoot and the Thompsons played against weak competition but that league where Bilal played in France doesn't look very strong either.