Primo assigned to the g league

[cd98]

https://twitter.com/Matthew_Tynan/status/1455909919790669829

:lol

Pop just trolling Spurstalk now?

[Dejounte]

Have people not followed the Spurs for very long? They’ve always done this back and forth and back and forth with players going to the g league.

[spurraider21]

:lmao all the meltdowns this past week.

:lmao all the meltdowns if he gets assigned again.
:lmao glad he was sent down so he could "get real minutes and develop into a more well rounded player" instead of just getting minutes with the real team to begin with

:lmao you guys just dont know how to develop players! have to send them down to play 0 minutes

[Mugen]

Guessing Dougie might be out longer than anticipated tbh.

[Mugen]

:lmao glad he was sent down so he could "get real minutes and develop into a more well rounded player" instead of just getting minutes with the real team to begin with

:lmao you guys just dont know how to develop players! have to send them down to play 0 minutes

:lol

[K...]

:lmao glad he was sent down so he could "get real minutes and develop into a more well rounded player" instead of just getting minutes with the real team to begin with

:lmao you guys just dont know how to develop players! have to send them down to play 0 minutes

have you checked the schedule? the g league didn't start? yoyo pulling primo is about getting him the most minutes, the exact things the mouthbreathers want. He probably needed to be assigned to make the roster and will play game one regardless.


Maybe primo is getting tons of coaching and mintues, just not the pity minutes you guys want to free up from forbes to sit in a corner and wait for murray to be a pass first pg

[spurraider21]

have you checked the schedule? the g league didn't start? yoyo pulling primo is about getting him the most minutes, the exact things the mouthbreathers want. He probably needed to be assigned to make the roster and will play game one regardless.


Maybe primo is getting tons of coaching and mintues, just not the pity minutes you guys want to free up from forbes to sit in a corner and wait for murray to be a pass first pg
good thing he was sent down so he couldnt be active for our recent games... but he was sent down before Gleauge even started so he didnt get minutes there either

brilliant!

[exstatic]

SA has a game tonight at home. Austin plays tomorrow. It’s not rocket science. Eubanks used to play a matinee in Austin, and drive down to SA for the nightcap. Just a heads up: Austin doesn’t play again after tomorrow until like the 14th. He may be back up with the big club again. Mentally prepare yourselves.

[exstatic]

good thing he was sent down so he couldnt be active for our recent games... but he was sent down before Gleauge even started so he didnt get minutes there either

brilliant!

Training camp. Getting to know teammates and coaches.

[K...]

good thing he was sent down so he couldnt be active for our recent games... but he was sent down before Gleauge even started so he didnt get minutes there either

brilliant!

tell me how many minutes he's lost this season because the spurs don't min max like you want?

[spurraider21]

tell me how many minutes he's lost this season because the spurs don't min max like you want?
more than 0

[Ocotillo]

Guessing Dougie might be out longer than anticipated tbh. I saw a tweet he is available tonight.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao glad he was sent down so he could "get real minutes and develop into a more well rounded player" instead of just getting minutes with the real team to begin withBe prepared for his being sent down again.


:lmao you guys just dont know how to develop players!None of us knows how to develop NBA players tbh.

[spurraider21]

None of us knows how to develop NBA players tbh.
i would imagine them getting playing time would factor into it

[KingKev]

SA has a game tonight at home. Austin plays tomorrow. It’s not rocket science. Eubanks used to play a matinee in Austin, and drive down to SA for the nightcap. Just a heads up: Austin doesn’t play again after tomorrow until like the 14th. He may be back up with the big club again. Mentally prepare yourselves.

It actually is rocket science to half this board. Good to have him available for potential garbage time.

[Mugen]

I saw a tweet he is available tonight.

Maybe the call up is because of the Jak news tbh

[ChumpDumper]

i would imagine them getting playing time would factor into itYou think Primo will never play for the NBA Spurs again this season?

[slick'81]

Primo suave is back

[lefty20]

good thing he was sent down so he couldnt be active for our recent games... but he was sent down before Gleauge even started so he didnt get minutes there either

brilliant!

My theory is that he dropped a couple 50 burger performances in scrimmage games and got kicked out for making his teammates look bad.

This is literally the only logical explanation, tbh.

[spurraider21]

You think Primo will never play for the NBA Spurs again this season?
thats a lot of straw

me: i think we've been wasting time so far this season

you: so you're saying we're going to waste the whole season??

[MultiTroll]

I'm sure CIA Pop has a plan for Primo.

[Chomag]

So this dicking around with him is now giving him 0 minutes for G and NBA, I really do hope this won't sour their relationship with their player . Thankfully he seems to be a pretty easy going kid but his agent may differ.

Then again maybe its nothing but that's something only time will tell...no pun intended.

[boutons_deux]

...

[ChumpDumper]

thats a lot of straw

me: i think we've been wasting time so far this season

you: so you're saying we're going to waste the whole season??It's a legitimate question.

I don't think a game here or there is going to make much difference.

He'll play a lot of minutes and practice and recover a lot in Austin. If he's completely dominating as you think he will, he won't stay there long. It's pretty simple and fun to follow.

Or maybe it's fun for some to melt down over. YMMV.

[duncan2k5]

Have people not followed the Spurs for very long? They’ve always done this back and forth and back and forth with players going to the g league.

and thus stunted the growth of every single one of them...while rookies on better teams get real playing time and look like legit contributors by their second year

[exstatic]

and thus stunted the growth of every single one of them...while rookies on better teams get real playing time and look like legit contributors by their second year

Spurs #28-30 picks out perform most teams lottery picks. You’re just being stupid and hysterical, as if every selection in the first round can develop into an All NBA player.

[spurraider21]

It's a legitimate question.

I don't think a game here or there is going to make much difference.

He'll play a lot of minutes and practice and recover a lot in Austin. If he's completely dominating as you think he will, he won't stay there long. It's pretty simple and fun to follow.

Or maybe it's fun for some to melt down over. YMMV.
The spurs have played 8 games

[xellos88330]

I don't really mind the g-league assignments, but I do feel for the players though. Imagine being a lottery pick and not have the chance to compete for rookie of the year. That is a chance that you can never get back.

[Adam Lambert]

I'll wait to judge but I don't see the harm in giving him at least 15 minutes a game off the bench, and if we're not doing that by January that's a silly decision IMO.

[ChumpDumper]

The spurs have played 8 gamesAnd?

[spurraider21]

And?
thats more than a game here or there. its 10% of the season

[spurraider21]

I'll wait to judge but I don't see the harm in giving him at least 15 minutes a game off the bench, and if we're not doing that by January that's a silly decision IMO.
you dont know how to develop players and pop does so shhhhh

[JeffDuncan]

I don't really mind the g-league assignments, but I do feel for the players though. Imagine being a lottery pick and not have the chance to compete for rookie of the year. That is a chance that you can never get back.


That's the best point anybody has made.

[ChumpDumper]

thats more than a game here or there. its 10% of the seasonSo it's already too late?

[spurraider21]

So it's already too late?
straw

[Dejounte]

Back to the g league. Expect it 50 more times noobs

my guess its for them to be around the team and coaches as much as possible

[spurraider21]

Back to the g league. Expect it 50 more times noobs

my guess its for them to be around the team and coaches as much as possible
the player reflected by your username played a total of 15 gleague games in his career and nevertheless developed just fine as a backup or 3rd stringer

[ChumpDumper]

strawLegit question.

When in the season would you declare it a lost season for Primo if he doesn't get the NBA minutes you want?

[ChumpDumper]

the player reflected by your username played a total of 15 gleague games in his career and nevertheless developed just fine as a backup or 3rd stringerI would expect about the same number of G-League games for Primo if he's as good as you claim tbh.

[spurraider21]

Legit question.

When in the season would you declare it a lost season for Primo if he doesn't get the NBA minutes you want?
dont know where the line is tbh

i think every game that has passed by is a wasted opportunity. depends how much wasted opportunity one is ok with

[Dejounte]

the player reflected by your username played a total of 15 gleague games in his career and nevertheless developed just fine as a backup or 3rd stringer

im neither advocating or opposing the idea of gleague with my post. Im addressing those people who are shocked by the move by the Spurs to bring Primo back and back again with the g league. It’s something that’s happened year after year and i guess people didnt pay much attention, they have bad memory, or only followed the Spurs last year.

[ChumpDumper]

dont know where the line is tbh

i think every game that has passed by is a wasted opportunity. depends how much wasted opportunity one is ok with

So you don't know how much wasted opportunity you are OK with?

[spurraider21]

im neither advocating or opposing the idea of gleague with my post. Im addressing those people who are shocked by the move by the Spurs to bring Primo back and back again with the g league. It’s something that’s happened year after year and i guess people didnt pay much attention, they have bad memory, or only followed the Spurs last year.
gotcha. i'm not shocked at all, so i think we're on the same page

[spurraider21]

So you don't know how much wasted opportunity you are OK with?
i think pinning me down to a specific number of minutes played or not played is a silly tactic

you could do the same with covid deaths to criticize government action/inaction. ie at exactly how many deaths did trump's policies become too harmful to the point where you disagreed with them? exact number of deaths. otherwise you have no argument. see how silly that is?

also known as the continuum fallacy

my point is that wasting time is bad, and that so far they have been wasting time. my argument does not require me to identify a specific amount of wasted time at which point primo becomes a lost cause (something i have not argued)

[emanueldavidginobili]

Fuck it at least we’ll be able to watch him play tomorrow night.

[Leetonidas]

Would any other 2-8 team that missed the playoffs back to back years not play their lotto pick in the RS and send him to the Gleague like SA? We all know the answer.

The kid should be playing, period. Spurs need to make room and trade some guys and give this kid some burn instead of trying to hold onto every middling player we have and hope they turn into kawhi magically

[rjv]

Fuck it at least we’ll be able to watch him play tomorrow night.

you happen to know where one would be able to watch the game?

[ChumpDumper]

i think pinning me down to a specific number of minutes played or not played is a silly tactic

you could do the same with covid deaths to criticize government action/inaction. ie at exactly how many deaths did trump's policies become too harmful to the point where you disagreed with them? exact number of deaths. otherwise you have no argument. see how silly that is?

also known as the continuum fallacy

my point is that wasting time is bad, and that so far they have been wasting time. my argument does not require me to identify a specific amount of wasted time at which point primo becomes a lost cause (something i have not argued)So there is no actual number at which it would be considered a wasted year and there is no such thing as a wasted year because that wasn't argued?

OK.

[ChumpDumper]

you happen to know where one would be able to watch the game?Looks like it will be on the G-League site. Thank goodness there only seem to be a couple of carriers this season.

[spurraider21]

So there is no actual number at which it would be considered a wasted year and there is no such thing as a wasted year because that wasn't argued?

OK.
re the bolded: straw

i think what number constitutes a wasted season is somewhat arbitrary. its also not what i was arguing, so trying to pin me to a number is silly.

my claim is that 8 games into the season we've wasted time/opportunity for primo to get some experience. i hope that doesn't continue.

[ChumpDumper]

re the bolded: straw

i think what number constitutes a wasted season is somewhat arbitrary. its also not what i was arguing, so trying to pin me to a number is silly.It's whatever you won't say it is.:tu

[spurraider21]

It's whatever you won't say it is.:tu
i'm sorry that i never argued the strawman you keep trying to hold me to

[ChumpDumper]

i'm sorry that i never argued the strawman you tried to hold me toIt's a logical conclusion to arrive at since the season is x% wasted (also whatever you want that to be).

I'll take the under on 20 Austin games for Primo this season.

[spurraider21]

It's a logical conclusion to arrive at since the season is x% wasted.

I'll take the under on 20 Austin games for Primo this season.
no. me saying that they've been wasting time with him so far this season cannot possibly lead to any of these "logical conclusion" bangers you've already left us

You think Primo will never play for the NBA Spurs again this season?


So it's already too late?

and now you keep getting hung up on "at what point does the season become lost"

frankly, i dont care "at what point" that is. i just think minimizing the time wasted would be a good thing. we've already wasted some. i've complained about that. i hope we wont waste more going forward. any time wasted as bad. at what point it becomes "so bad" that it becomes characterized as a "lost season" is not something i particularly care about

i now expect you to continue to push me on when it counts as a lost season, for some reason

[ChumpDumper]

frankly, i dont care:tu

We'll see how he plays tomorrow.

[spurraider21]

:tu
feel like im arguing with TSA tbh. just bad faith all around. constant straw then declaring victory when i dont engage with your strawman.

[koriwhat]

no. me saying that they've been wasting time with him so far this season cannot possibly lead to any of these "logical conclusion" bangers you've already left us




and now you keep getting hung up on "at what point does the season become lost"

frankly, i dont care "at what point" that is. i just think minimizing the time wasted would be a good thing. we've already wasted some. i've complained about that. i hope we wont waste more going forward. any time wasted as bad. at what point it becomes "so bad" that it becomes characterized as a "lost season" is not something i particularly care about

i now expect you to continue to push me on when it counts as a lost season, for some reason

Lol You're trying to have a conversation with a dudette who simply loves to circle back constantly like psucki does in the WH. CumDumpster is worthless and any back & forth with him is futile especially when it comes to politics let alone basketball.

[B1gduff]

Murray began his career in the g-league, many people wanted him gone...Yet he's now averaging, 18/8/8. He's playing like a Mini Westbrook,And hif he average's 18/8/8 throughout the season, with his solid defense, he's in the All-star Tier to me. But, it all started from the G-league!

White, is averaging 14/3/6 with a really high Efg% . IF he maintains this output, he's has already provided more value from thr 29th spot than most guys that were drafted ahead of him. He also started in the G-league

Keldon Johnson; is one 3 point shot away from taking that next step. He 22 and has about 2 more years before raching his peak. He also started in the G-league

Lonnie Walker, the guy everyone loved, but now hates.... started in the g-league and has shown improvement through his time. He's also only 22 with an extremely high upside, and the growth I've seen from his 1 year to now, he's heading the right way

Kyle Anderson, also started his devel;opment in the G-league, and now he is a solid defensive-minded starter

Corey Jospeh.. Save thing as Anderson, had solid years coming off the bench.

The only guys from the past few draftys that fell off, and not do to injuries, has been Luka and it wasn't about the talent or Development, it was more about the drive with him.

In short, All I'm saying is that the Spurs know better at developeing talent than other might think...which people will probably ignore. Murray probably does developed into this type of player, with how raw he was coming up. Lonnie's bad habits were on full display his first 2 years, something that peeple choice to ignore, now those bad habits have been limited. Its not about one years, it about the overall growth, In phase of a player!

[MultiTroll]

^ Bryn Forbes started in the Spurs G League too.

Your post is excellent reminding us of how many of the current core was in G.

Just makes 0% logical basketball intelligence why Grandpa would alter their development by adding -neigh going out and seeking as a free agent- Bryn Bryn to the mix.

[tim_duncan_fan]

dont know where the line is tbh

i think every game that has passed by is a wasted opportunity. depends how much wasted opportunity one is ok with

[Mr. Body]

I don't mind Primo in the G-League as much. He's not even nineteen and his timeline is years. What I don't get is Landale not playing.

[spurraider21]

I don't mind Primo in the G-League as much. He's not even nineteen and his timeline is years. What I don't get is Landale not playing.
we said that about samanic too. primo looked up for it based on how he played in summer league and preseason.

id rather him get good minutes i gleague than rot on the bench like he's doing now. but until the gleague starts, why not give him some minutes with the big boys? if he showed well enough, maybe he could just stay with SA. but alas

[emanueldavidginobili]

you happen to know where one would be able to watch the game?
I usually watch them on ESPN+ or stream, i'll let you know tomorrow night if I get a good stream.

[Mr. Body]

we said that about samanic too. primo looked up for it based on how he played in summer league and preseason.

id rather him get good minutes i gleague than rot on the bench like he's doing now. but until the gleague starts, why not give him some minutes with the big boys? if he showed well enough, maybe he could just stay with SA. but alas

I don't know. Clearly the Spurs need some scoring and Primo seems to be able to do that. Landale should also help. My wife walked past Popovich in a Manhattan restaurant years ago and I said she should have told him to play Splitter more. When he finally played Splitter, he was a nice player. No telling what goes on with Pop sometimes.

[itzsoweezee]

If you take an 18 year old in the lottery, his timeline is not years. This isn’t 1992. There are teenagers on every roster, and they get playing time.

Playing against second tier players in a second tier league is a great idea for acclimating role players to professional basketball. The Spurs need to develop a star. Hopefully he is capable of being that star. And if Primo isn’t one, they better tank like hell to get one. Under either approach, sending primo to the g league is dumb

[Mr. Body]

If you take an 18 year old in the lottery, his timeline is not years. This isn’t 1992. There are teenagers on every roster, and they get playing time.

Playing against second tier players in a second tier league is a great idea for acclimating role players to professional basketball. The Spurs need to develop a star. Hopefully he is capable of being that star. And if Primo isn’t one, they better tank like hell to get one. Under either approach, sending primo to the g league is dumb

His timeline is years. In seven years he's going to only be 25. The team seems to think getting him ready slowly is the right path to take. If he was 22, it'd be a different story.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Murray began his career in the g-league, many people wanted him gone...Yet he's now averaging, 18/8/8. He's playing like a Mini Westbrook,And hif he average's 18/8/8 throughout the season, with his solid defense, he's in the All-star Tier to me. But, it all started from the G-league!

White, is averaging 14/3/6 with a really high Efg% . IF he maintains this output, he's has already provided more value from thr 29th spot than most guys that were drafted ahead of him. He also started in the G-league

Keldon Johnson; is one 3 point shot away from taking that next step. He 22 and has about 2 more years before raching his peak. He also started in the G-league

Lonnie Walker, the guy everyone loved, but now hates.... started in the g-league and has shown improvement through his time. He's also only 22 with an extremely high upside, and the growth I've seen from his 1 year to now, he's heading the right way

Kyle Anderson, also started his devel;opment in the G-league, and now he is a solid defensive-minded starter

Corey Jospeh.. Save thing as Anderson, had solid years coming off the bench.

The only guys from the past few draftys that fell off, and not do to injuries, has been Luka and it wasn't about the talent or Development, it was more about the drive with him.

In short, All I'm saying is that the Spurs know better at developeing talent than other might think...which people will probably ignore. Murray probably does developed into this type of player, with how raw he was coming up. Lonnie's bad habits were on full display his first 2 years, something that peeple choice to ignore, now those bad habits have been limited. Its not about one years, it about the overall growth, In phase of a player!
None of those players were lottery picks and were all raw as hell coming out of college besides Derrick but he was already 23 years old. From what I’ve seen so far in Summer League and Preseason this kid is already light years ahead of the others you named in terms of development when they first got to the NBA. I’m still trying to figure out a glaring weakness in Primos game. Tighten up his handles maybe? But no standout weakness like the players mentioned above when they came out of college.

[rjv]

I usually watch them on ESPN+ or stream, i'll let you know tomorrow night if I get a good stream.

much appreciated.

[rankingtear]

I watched the wolves summer league game so i think g-league would benefit him.

[GAustex]

He is better than Forbes
His teammates need help and he could help
Just defending and rebounding and shooting just as well as Bryn and maybe even doing some secondary playmaking

[stnick2261]

If you take an 18 year old in the lottery, his timeline is not years. This isn’t 1992. There are teenagers on every roster, and they get playing time.

Playing against second tier players in a second tier league is a great idea for acclimating role players to professional basketball. The Spurs need to develop a star. Hopefully he is capable of being that star. And if Primo isn’t one, they better tank like hell to get one. Under either approach, sending primo to the g league is dumb

One star is not enough to compete for a championship. If Primo IS a star, then definitely let him develop in the g league and not add wins to the Spurs total this year. That way, we'd have Primo, next year's lottery pick, and hopefully someone on the current team rises into stardom as well. THAT would bring us into championship contention.

After the draft, I believe it was Wright who said they saw Primo as a top '22 draft pick. That leads me to believe this is the route they are taking.

As much as I would like to see Primo win rookie of the year and get minutes with the big team, there are too many unknowns with our current squad. The minutes need to go to who we already have.

[JeffDuncan]

Murray began his career in the g-league, ...


When the team still had Parker, Manu, Kawhi, and Danny Green, among others, and a record that year of 61-21.

They had no significant minutes for Murray while they were competing for the title.

Times change.



White, ...


The team still had Manu, Parker, Green, Mills, etc.

Times change.



Keldon Johnson ...


Is not doing so well at the moment. A bad example for your argument.



Lonnie Walker...


Is still frustratingly erratic. His G league time doesn't seem to have helped him at all to become a more consistent and better player at the NBA level.



Kyle Anderson...


That team had Duncan, Manu, Parker, Diaw, etc.

Times change.



Corey Jospeh...


Duncan, Parker, Manu, etc and a competitive 50 win team.

Times change.

You're just throwing around names with no context.

None of those examples justifies Primo not getting significant floor time on this non competitive team.

But should Primo get G league time? Sure. It'll give him a chance to play more basketball. Especially, it'll give him experience with different coaches, including a different head coach.

However, at the same time he should be getting some significant run with S. A. What's the worry - that he'll make some dumb rookie mistakes, which could cost the team a game or two, and they'll lose the #1 seed in the West? I don't think we need to worry about that this season.

[GB20]

When the team still had Parker, Manu, Kawhi, and Danny Green, among others, and a record that year of 61-21.

They had no significant minutes for Murray while they were competing for the title.

Times change.



The team still had Manu, Parker, Green, Mills, etc.

Times change.



Is not doing so well at the moment. A bad example for your argument.



Is still frustratingly erratic. His G league time doesn't seem to have helped him at all to become a more consistent and better player at the NBA level.



That team had Duncan, Manu, Parker, Diaw, etc.

Times change.



Duncan, Parker, Manu, etc and a competitive 50 win team.

Times change.

You're just throwing around names with no context.

None of those examples justifies Primo not getting significant floor time on this non competitive team.

But should Primo get G league time? Sure. It'll give him a chance to play more basketball. Especially, it'll give him experience with different coaches, including a different head coach.

However, at the same time he should be getting some significant run with S. A. What's the worry - that he'll make some dumb rookie mistakes, which could cost the team a game or two, and they'll lose the #1 seed in the West? I don't think we need to worry about that this season.
You said it so perfectly.

[ChumpDumper]

feel like im arguing with TSA tbh. just bad faith all around. constant straw then declaring victory when i dont engage with your strawman.

I declared no victory. You didn't want to discuss much of anything beyond your general discontent. There's no way to even argue anything at that point.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Of course the Spurs and Austin play at the same time today smh.

[JeffDuncan]

....
As much as I would like to see Primo win rookie of the year and get minutes with the big team, there are too many unknowns with our current squad. The minutes need to go to who we already have.

Too many unknowns, not true.

White, for example - he's 27, in his fifth season, we've seen both his highs and lows, he's a known quantity. Seeing more of him won't tell us more about what he can do. We know his range of possibilities, good and bad.

McDermott is in his eighth season in the league, I think, and it's a known fact he's a shoot-first forward. It isn't vital to play him more, to learn more about him. He's a known quantity.

People talk about replacing Forbes. Rightly so. Speaking of known quantities. I'd rather have somebody's fat grandmother on the roster than Forbes. (She'd never play but she could do postgame interviews and talk about her grandkids. "We are family." It'd be better than having Forbes around. Anyway...)

I'd try Primo in place of McDermott, in some shifts. 2nd or 3rd quarter, the full 6 or 8 minute shift. For one thing, at SF there's much less emphasis on dribbling, more on shooting. Looks to me like SF is the best place to give Primo some extended exposure to the NBA, to start out. It could be done.

[koriwhat]

People talk about replacing Forbes. Rightly so. Speaking of known quantities. I'd rather have somebody's fat grandmother on the roster than Forbes. (She'd never play but she could do postgame interviews and talk about her grandkids. "We are family." It'd be better than having Forbes around. Anyway...)

:lmao :tu

[stnick2261]

Too many unknowns, not true.

White, for example - he's 27, in his fifth season, we've seen both his highs and lows, he's a known quantity. Seeing more of him won't tell us more about what he can do. We know his range of possibilities, good and bad.

McDermott is in his eighth season in the league, I think, and it's a known fact he's a shoot-first forward. It isn't vital to play him more, to learn more about him. He's a known quantity.

People talk about replacing Forbes. Rightly so. Speaking of known quantities. I'd rather have somebody's fat grandmother on the roster than Forbes. (She'd never play but she could do postgame interviews and talk about her grandkids. "We are family." It'd be better than having Forbes around. Anyway...)

I'd try Primo in place of McDermott, in some shifts. 2nd or 3rd quarter, the full 6 or 8 minute shift. For one thing, at SF there's much less emphasis on dribbling, more on shooting. Looks to me like SF is the best place to give Primo some extended exposure to the NBA, to start out. It could be done.

I don't consider McDermott, Young, or Forbes as unknowns (they weren't who I was referring to). I would consider Keldon Johnson, Tre Jones, Jock Landale, Devin Vassell, and Lonnie Walker though (and to a lesser extent: Murray and Poeltl to see if they can step up... and White to see if he can stay healthy).

I wouldn't give Young any minutes except to showcase him for a trade. I also wouldn't give Forbes or McDermott any minutes except to facilitate more losses for a better draft pick. I would rather give those minutes to the 5-8 other players I listed.

[spurraider21]

I declared no victory. You didn't want to discuss much of anything beyond your general discontent. There's no way to even argue anything at that point.
of course there is, unless you just agree with my point

do you think the spurs have wasted time to develop primo so far since the start of the season?

if yes, do you think that is a good or bad thing?

[exstatic]

of course there is, unless you just agree with my point

do you think the spurs have wasted time to develop primo so far since the start of the season?

if yes, do you think that is a good or bad thing?

What you have are feelings and opinions. Those can’t be argued or debated, because they lack specifics. A very simple one is, how much time is enough. That can be discussed, debated, and argued. He’s tried to get the specifics from you, and you refuse to provide them.

[spurraider21]

What you have are feelings and opinions. Those can’t be argued or debated, because they lack specifics. A very simple one is, how much time is enough. That can be discussed, debated, and argued. He’s tried to get the specifics from you, and you refuse to provide them.
nah, he asked me specifics for a claim i never made ("wasted season")

do you think the spurs have wasted time to develop primo so far since the start of the season?

[exstatic]

nah, he asked me specifics for a claim i never made ("wasted season")

do you think the spurs have wasted time to develop primo so far since the start of the season?

No. He took part in both training camps, got to know his 2 seats of teammates and coaches, played in a couple of NBA games, and the gleague, where most of his training will happen, starts tonight. After tonight, the baby Spurs don’t play again until the 14th in Mexico City, and the big club has a game in OKC, and two home games, so he might come up again in the interim. He’ll be going back and forth, and working with both PD staffs, and when he’s ready, he’s ready.

[spurraider21]

No. He took part in both training camps, got to know his 2 seats of teammates and coaches, played in a couple of NBA games, and the gleague, where most of his training will happen, starts tonight. After tonight, the baby Spurs don’t play again until the 14th in Mexico City, and the big club has a game in OKC, and two home games, so he might come up again in the interim. He’ll be going back and forth, and working with both PD staffs, and when he’s ready, he’s ready.
interesting! so my position that they've been wasting time so far this season COULD be argued and debated :tu

and you didnt even have to make up a strawman to engage with it. good on you

[exstatic]

interesting! so my position that they've been wasting time so far this season COULD be argued and debated :tu

and you didnt even have to make up a strawman to engage with it. good on you

We didn’t debate it. You stated your opinion, and I stated mine. That’s not a debate.

[spurraider21]

We didn’t debate it. You stated your opinion, and I stated mine. That’s not a debate.
not true. i provided points (that he could have gotten regular season minutes to develop some so far), you gave counterarguments re: training camp, etc.

good job!

[Atl Spur]

Let the young man develop......

[GAustex]

Kobe

[SpurSpike]

One of Spurstalks favorite draft prospect Franz Wagner can get 30 minutes a night on the Magic...

[RC_Drunkford]

Murray began his career in the g-league, many people wanted him gone...Yet he's now averaging, 18/8/8. He's playing like a Mini Westbrook,And hif he average's 18/8/8 throughout the season, with his solid defense, he's in the All-star Tier to me. But, it all started from the G-league!

White, is averaging 14/3/6 with a really high Efg% . IF he maintains this output, he's has already provided more value from thr 29th spot than most guys that were drafted ahead of him. He also started in the G-league

Keldon Johnson; is one 3 point shot away from taking that next step. He 22 and has about 2 more years before raching his peak. He also started in the G-league

Lonnie Walker, the guy everyone loved, but now hates.... started in the g-league and has shown improvement through his time. He's also only 22 with an extremely high upside, and the growth I've seen from his 1 year to now, he's heading the right way

Kyle Anderson, also started his devel;opment in the G-league, and now he is a solid defensive-minded starter

Corey Jospeh.. Save thing as Anderson, had solid years coming off the bench.

The only guys from the past few draftys that fell off, and not do to injuries, has been Luka and it wasn't about the talent or Development, it was more about the drive with him.

In short, All I'm saying is that the Spurs know better at developeing talent than other might think...which people will probably ignore. Murray probably does developed into this type of player, with how raw he was coming up. Lonnie's bad habits were on full display his first 2 years, something that peeple choice to ignore, now those bad habits have been limited. Its not about one years, it about the overall growth, In phase of a player!


sending Derrick White to the G-League was the dumbest thing ever. In a season where Parker was out with an injury White put up 16 points in a game against the Warriors. He was the same player he is now then and of course Pop had to send him to the G-League so he can get :pop: „over himself“

[exstatic]

One of Spurstalks favorite draft prospect Franz Wagner can get 30 minutes a night on the Magic...

They suck ass, and we beat them like a rented mule. We should have won by 25. Rarely have I seen such one sided officiating in a game where the other team wasn’t the Lakers.

[ChumpDumper]

I think games against RGV will be really good for Primo if they play out like last night. The pace was warp speed and he's being defended really aggressively by their guards, especially Nix who has some size and strength. Looks like he tweaked an ankle after swinging a leg awkwardly in front of him going up for a open three pointer (landing was out of frame). He played for a few minutes after that so it doesn't seem serious. BTW RGV's new arena is big for D-League but looks much better for basketball than the hockey arena down the road which is almost identical to ours.

[Maddog]

No. He took part in both training camps, got to know his 2 seats of teammates and coaches, played in a couple of NBA games, and the gleague, where most of his training will happen, starts tonight. After tonight, the baby Spurs don’t play again until the 14th in Mexico City, and the big club has a game in OKC, and two home games, so he might come up again in the interim. He’ll be going back and forth, and working with both PD staffs, and when he’s ready, he’s ready.

I'm with you in that this is a good path for him. The kid's got potential, but not surprising he's got things to work on. I think a lot folks don't realize how little practice time the big club has.

[itzsoweezee]

Everyone knows, if you want to develop, you play against lesser opponents. I think we should go all in and get Primo some run against middle schoolers.

[ChumpDumper]

Everyone knows, if you want to develop, you play against lesser opponents. I think we should go all in and get Primo some run against middle schoolers.He didn't really dominate last night. He played decently mostly against a 19 year old two way player. You think Primo was sandbagging?

[gambit1990]

how long until sam dekker is a spur?

[hoopdreams11]

how long until sam dekker is a spur?

doubt it
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2020/10/26/j-r-smith-says-sam-dekker-only-teammate-he-disliked-talking-some-trump-s/

[TDMVPDPOY]

popabitch method of teaching young rookies... vs other teams throwing their rookies onto nba game with starters minutes in first year....

give me the 2nd since this team aint contending for a playoff spot with the roster currently...fkn wasting primo or showcasing what he has to show

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Nix was taking primo off the dribble att the perimeter like prime nash

[gambit1990]

doubt it
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2020/10/26/j-r-smith-says-sam-dekker-only-teammate-he-disliked-talking-some-trump-s/
good catch :lol

[playbonner15]

Everyone knows, if you want to develop, you play against lesser opponents. I think we should go all in and get Primo some run against middle schoolers.

:lol

[itzsoweezee]

He didn't really dominate last night. He played decently mostly against a 19 year old two way player. You think Primo was sandbagging?

I don’t think it really means anything. His performance in the g league is going to provide very little insight as to his abilities in the nba, just like college basketball provides very little info about how good college players will be in the pros. At best, g league performance might highlight the extreme cases. Outside of that? I don’t think it does very much, other than gives role players a chance to play and learn their roles

[ChumpDumper]

I don’t think it really means anything. His performance in the g league is going to provide very little insight as to his abilities in the nba, just like college basketball provides very little info about how good college players will be in the pros. At best, g league performance might highlight the extreme cases. Outside of that? I don’t think it does very much, other than gives role players a chance to play and learn their rolesThat's pretty convenient.

Why do NBA scouts watch college basketball games?

[JeffDuncan]

That's pretty convenient.

Why do NBA scouts watch college basketball games?


To check out the cheerleaders, of course.

[itzsoweezee]

That's pretty convenient.

Why do NBA scouts watch college basketball games?

Because they can’t see those players anywhere else. That’s obviously not a problem when you’re talking about a player you drafted.

Why aren’t the best college basketball players the highest picks in the draft? Because college basketball is a different sport and doesn’t mean anything as far as nba performance.

[ChumpDumper]

Because they can’t see those players anywhere else. That’s obviously not a problem when you’re talking about a player you drafted.

Why aren’t the best college basketball players the highest picks in the draft? Because college basketball is a different sport and doesn’t mean anything as far as nba performance.But they see them play in college and make their determinations and projections for their NBA potential based upon how they play in college, knowing the differences between the games. Sometimes the best college players do indeed end up being the highest draft picks. Sometimes less experienced players are picked higher based on the NBA potential scouts and executives determine based on what they see in their college play.

That's how scouting works.

[koriwhat]

doubt it
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2020/10/26/j-r-smith-says-sam-dekker-only-teammate-he-disliked-talking-some-trump-s/

Lmao low hanging fruit JR Smith didn't like some Trump Sh__.... Fuck that retard JR!

[itzsoweezee]

But they see them play in college and make their determinations and projections for their NBA potential based upon how they play in college, knowing the differences between the games. Sometimes the best college players do indeed end up being the highest draft picks. Sometimes less experienced players are picked higher based on the NBA potential scouts and executives determine based on what they see in their college play.

That's how scouting works.

Your overrating their college play. The combine, workouts, measurements, etc. have a much bigger impact on who gets drafted where. All of that information, the Spurs already have on Primo. Seeing how he plays against a bunch of randos in the G league is next to worthless information. That's why no other team does that shit with their lottery picks. Even a contender like the Warriors are playing their lottery picks in NBA games (in addition to their G league play).

[spurraider21]

Lmao low hanging fruit JR Smith didn't like some Trump Sh__.... Fuck that retard JR!
oh look kw reflexively defending trump

[slick'81]

If spurs continue to lose this makes less&less sense

[ChumpDumper]

Your overrating their college play. The combine, workouts, measurements, etc. have a much bigger impact on who gets drafted where. All of that information, the Spurs already have on Primo. Seeing how he plays against a bunch of randos in the G league is next to worthless information. That's why no other team does that shit with their lottery picks. Even a contender like the Warriors are playing their lottery picks in NBA games (in addition to their G league play).:lol measurements show more than college play how they will work out in the NBA?

:lmao

[koriwhat]

oh look kw reflexively defending trump

Oh look you're crying again like always... I'd rather defend Trump over a dumbfuck like JR Smith tbh. You tend to love dumbfucks though and put them in the WH too; you dumbfucks are peas in a pod.

[Dex]

Can we please not turn this thread into another pissing match about Trump?

Take it to the goddamn Political Forum, fellas.

[cd98]

Ok, it would be interesting to know if there are any other players drafted in the lottery (1-14) that were sent to the G-League like Primo and why are the Spurs not playing their young players when they clearly have shown that they could get lucky against the Bucks and that they are only good enough to beat the Magic.

[Drom John]

1) Primo is 40th in NBA minutes.

2) 1st rounders with less minutes:
19 Kai Jones
21 Keon Johnson
28 Jaden Springer

3) Any assignment to G League
27 Cam Johnson
28 Jaden Springer
29 Da'Ron Sharpe

[Drom John]

Deleted, not sure of data.

[Degoat]

Warriors have assigned their rookies to the gleague I believe as well…

[rjv]

Warriors have assigned their rookies to the gleague I believe as well…

correct, kuminga and moody have been sent to the Santa Cruz affiliate. also, bouknight is getting less than 2 minutes per game with Charlotte so he may see some time in the g-league soon, and kispert is getting a little less than 11 minutes per game with the wizards.

[cd98]

Yes, but it's kind of crazy because GSW don't need Kuminga and Moody to win right now. They have a win-now team at this moment with Thompson returning at some point in the near future. They have a team good enough to contend without needing Kuminga and Moody. So it makes sense for them to play in the G League.

The Spurs are not competing for the playoffs. They are not even competing for the play in right now. So not playing a rookie appears somewhat to be a mistake unless they think he's not NBA ready.

[rjv]

i'm still waiting to see how long primo stays in austin before i really make a conclusion. if he spends the entire season in austin, while putting up good numbers then i'd be disappointed in how he was used. if he just does a few stints over there and ultimately gets some minutes here and there on the spurs squad before the season is over then i would be less bothered by it. especially if he looks more polished in the process.

[Budkin]

Gonna go check out an Austin Spurs game soon so I'm glad I'll get to see him. But tbh SA needs him.

[wildbill2u]

Rookie may need some more minutes in real game situations to learn the Spurs offensive and defensive systems and play calls. That information is especially crucial for a rookie going into real game situations since they also have to handle the moves the opposition makes on defense and offense. Until the system and plays become second nature and he doesn't have to think about them, he will not be able to understand the motion of the game to the fullest extent of his capabilities. He has shown a lot of ability to use his limited knowledge for a rookie under the stress of being thrown in against veterans, but think how much better he will be when the nervousness and uncertainty is gone.

[exstatic]

Warriors have assigned their rookies to the gleague I believe as well…

Kuminga played the entire season in the gleague with The Ignite last year.

[Dex]

Gonna go check out an Austin Spurs game soon so I'm glad I'll get to see him. But tbh SA needs him.

It only took a few shitty showings by Drewbanks for Pop to make the switch to Young, unless there was some injury concern that wasn't being reported.

Honestly if I'm White or Walker, I'm looking over my shoulder right now. They'd be the first two on the hot seat if Primo does get recalled and they aren't exactly doing themselves any favors.

Jones has gotten some spot minutes as well, but has actually looked pretty decent in those.

[The Truth #6]

Some amount of time is needed to assess where we are with certain other players of a somewhat similar position. For example, we’re getting a better idea of what progress Lonnie has or hasn’t made so far in a contract year. That’s helpful. We don’t have enough info yet on Jones, which I think is needed before we bury him further.

If Primo does well in G league and we somehow trade Young and Walker, then Walker’s absence opens things up. It doesn’t seem like us sucking is what will determine Primo’s call up, it’s his own play in the G league, I imagine. Having said that, yeah, I’m almost ready to see more of him, perhaps in episodes where we learn what he needs to work on. To me that would be the ideal middle ground. We’ll see what the whims of the Old Man bring us.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Primo has been recalled.

[GAustex]

More. Corona out breaks?

[itzsoweezee]

:lol measurements show more than college play how they will work out in the NBA?

:lmao

Thanks for confirming you don’t know what you’re talking about

[ChumpDumper]

Thanks for confirming you don’t know what you’re talking aboutIt's your claim. Help everyone understand.:tu

[MultiTroll]

Will he do anything other then drive back n forth from Austin to San Antone?

[Spurs Homer]

Rookie may need some more minutes in real game situations to learn the Spurs offensive and defensive systems and play calls. That information is especially crucial for a rookie going into real game situations since they also have to handle the moves the opposition makes on defense and offense. Until the system and plays become second nature and he doesn't have to think about them, he will not be able to understand the motion of the game to the fullest extent of his capabilities. He has shown a lot of ability to use his limited knowledge for a rookie under the stress of being thrown in against veterans, but think how much better he will be when the nervousness and uncertainty is gone.

You may be right -

but it could work exactly the opposite;

you draft a kid who is a player - and he has done it all his life...
he shows you in his first opportunities that he has something

so you throw him into the fire and let him make mistakes over and over and over

by mid season those mistakes are almost a distant memory

come playoff time you arrive to the playoffs (or in the spurs case - just to the end of the season)
with a bonafide rising star


i think the second one is more likely than the first and if lonnie had been thrown into the fire immediately -
he appears to make the case that he would have already flamed out last season and the spurs could have gotten something in return for him

primo needs to just be played consistently this season and see where it goes

[MultiTroll]

Lead by 17 at halftime. Was 20 before Derek White did some mega retarded time management.

What is the over / under on Coach Short Bus giving Primo any run?

Bryn Bryn with 7 minutes so far.

[JohnnyMax]

Pops the kinda person to draft Luka #1 then put him in the g league his first year so he can get over himself

[MultiTroll]

:lol Senor Senile gives him the last 3 minutes of a blowout.

Meanwhile budding star and centerpiece Bryn Forms gets 13.

[exstatic]

:lol Senor Senile gives him the last 3 minutes of a blowout.

Meanwhile budding star and centerpiece Bryn Forms gets 13.

I don’t even like Forbes, but recognize, grudgingly, that he dropped 15 points in those 13 minutes. Pop keeps him on a tight leash, and if he’s not hitting, he’s sitting.

[Dex]

MultiTroll is like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know to the plot.

[rjv]

i have no problem with the bench not being brought into the last few minutes of the game considering the spurs recent history of losing big leads quickly. it wasn't until the spurs were still up by 20 with less than five minutes left that i felt comfortable with the starters being taken out. both squads cleared their benches at around the same mark.

[MultiTroll]

I don’t even like Forbes, but recognize, grudgingly, that he dropped 15 points in those 13 minutes. Pop keeps him on a tight leash, and if he’s not hitting, he’s sitting.
True he dropped 15 in 13 last night, mostly with the Spurs up at least 15 points. Your point?

No he's not kept on a "tight leash" when many games he deserves 60 seconds or less.
What is the point of playing him in the development picture?

[exstatic]

True he dropped 15 in 13 last night, mostly with the Spurs up at least 15 points. Your point?

No he's not kept on a "tight leash" when many games he deserves 60 seconds or less.
What is the point of playing him in the development picture?

Up 15 is the only time it’s safe to play him, and on bad nights, he plays 3 minutes. You have to give him a few shot attempts. He’s not part of the development picture, but then, neither is Thad.

[MultiTroll]

Up 15 is the only time it’s safe to play him, and on bad nights, he plays 3 minutes. You have to give him a few shot attempts. He’s not part of the development picture, but then, neither is Thad.
Wrong. He's been given 10+ minutes 7 f-ing games this season already.
He was pulled ONCE after sucking 3 minutes.
If he is not part of the development picture why is he on the team?

To the threads point, why is he being given minutes over Primo?

[exstatic]

Bryn struggled in the first four games. In game 4, when he went 0-2, Pop benched him. Since then, he’s gone 23/43 from the field, including 13/22 from 3. Why is he playing? Now you’re just being dense. WE NEED FUCKING THREE POINT SHOOTING. Spurs are now 29 in 3 pointers and attempts, and middle of the pack 13th in %. Hate on him all you want, but Forbes is 8th in 3G% among active players.

Why is Thaddeus playing?

[Seventyniner]

Bryn struggled in the first four games. In game 4, when he went 0-2, Pop benched him. Since then, he’s gone 23/43 from the field, including 13/22 from 3. Why is he playing? Now you’re just being dense. WE NEED FUCKING THREE POINT SHOOTING. Spurs are now 29 in 3 pointers and attempts, and middle of the pack 13th in %. Hate on him all you want, but Forbes is 8th in 3G% among active players.

Why is Thaddeus playing?

I'm glad you brought up Forbes's 3PT%. He's up to last season's 45.2%, but I don't expect him to stay there given that he's 41.1% for his career and the Spurs don't have nearly the gravity the Bucks did.

He's still the worst on the team in WS/48 (too early to read too much into that stat though) and is awful on defense. But I guess it's good for the young players to learn how to pass to a legitimately good shooter.

Thaddeus has played 22+ minutes the last 4 games, coinciding with Poeltl being out. No coincidence there, I'm sure.

[MultiTroll]

Bryn struggled in the first four games. In game 4, when he went 0-2, Pop benched him. Since then, he’s gone 23/43 from the field, including 13/22 from 3. Why is he playing? Now you’re just being dense. WE NEED FUCKING THREE POINT SHOOTING. Spurs are now 29 in 3 pointers and attempts, and middle of the pack 13th in %. Hate on him all you want, but Forbes is 8th in 3G% among active players.
Wow so Pop may develop Forbes into Matt Bonner.
You are soo smart.

[MultiTroll]

Up 15 is the only time it’s safe to play him,
Wow that makes Forbes soo useful.
Primo shot 38% on treys at Alabama.

And make sure you continue to skirt this Q.

To the threads point, why is he being given minutes over Primo?

[tonight...you]

Wow that makes Forbes soo useful.
Primo shot 38% on treys at Alabama.

And make sure you continue to skirt this Q.
I'm just waiting for someone to win.
That's what this is about, right? To win?
Someone's gonna win.

[K...]

Wow that makes Forbes soo useful.
Primo shot 38% on treys at Alabama.

And make sure you continue to skirt this Q.

but primo hasn't been called the rich mans Curry, like forbes has. Forbes is elite at what he does, and shit at everything else. primo can have a bunch of skills, that's why he was picked. That's why he's at the g leeg, so he's better than forbes. Yes, you could put him in the forbes spot, but why?



Also do people know about the rookie wall? remember vassel last year running out of gas? what would you prefer, having primo gas out in the first half, or do g leeg, and finish the season with the main team?

[Kurgan]

Will he do anything other then drive back n forth from Austin to San Antone?

He mentioned in an interview that Wieskamp has been driving him around SA since he doesn't have a license

[buttsR4rebounding]

He mentioned in an interview that Wieskamp has been driving him around SA since he doesn't have a license

I think he can get a learners permit when he turns 15.

[MultiTroll]

but primo hasn't been called the rich mans Curry, like forbes has. Forbes is elite at what he does, and shit at everything else. primo can have a bunch of skills, that's why he was picked. That's why he's at the g leeg, so he's better than forbes. Yes, you could put him in the forbes spot, but why?

Also do people know about the rookie wall? remember vassel last year running out of gas? what would you prefer, having primo gas out in the first half, or do g leeg, and finish the season with the main team?
The rich mans Curry?
"he's at the g leeg, so he's better then forbes."

I'm fine with limiting the total # of games / total minutes Primo Suave plays. Remember DJ Murray blowing out his knee.
Perhaps Primo Suave not getting into an immediate 82 games large minutes is a good thing in the long run.

But to sit him on the bench while trotting out Bryn Bryn on a regular basis is Pop and his super low BBIQ.

[BillMc]

He mentioned in an interview that Wieskamp has been driving him around SA since he doesn't have a license

Wieskamp already getting that backup career ready in case needed.

[MultiTroll]

Up 15 is the only time it’s safe to play him, and on bad nights, he plays 3 minutes.
4 turnovers almost immediately shortly after both times he entered the game. With no scoring.

Lets hear your 3 minutes bad and out spin on tonight Dallas game.


MultiTroll (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=26965) is like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know to the plot.
You OTOH just stay STFU'd.

[Chomag]

Is he over himself yet?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Primo's first stint has been horrible offensively and defensively ouch.

[MultiTroll]

Is he over himself yet?


Primo's first stint has been horrible offensively and defensively ouch.
Surely Pop has assigned him to watch game film of Brint. Along with how Brint conducts himself at the wine dinners.

[Dejounte]

Primo is not shy at taking the 3

[duncan2150]

Nice 3rd quarter for Josh.

[Dejounte]

Primo will fit in sooo nicely with Murray and Vassell. The fit is perfect.

[Dejounte]

Holy fuck he’s on fire

[Dejounte]

LEAGUE HIM

[GB20]

Holy fuck he’s on fire
He should be with the main club. Primo could help the spurs big time down the stretch.

[Dejounte]

He should be with the main club. Primo could help the spurs big time down the stretch.

IMO, he’s protecting the ball better as a result of getting reps he wouldn’t otherwise get from the main club. I think he will be with the main team and even part of the rotation at some point during the season.

[GB20]

IMO, he’s protecting the ball better as a result of getting reps he wouldn’t otherwise get from the main club. I think he will be with the main team and even part of the rotation at some point during the season.
I hope you are right .

[Degoat]

Can’t have that turnover at the end

[itzsoweezee]

IMO, he’s protecting the ball better as a result of getting reps he wouldn’t otherwise get from the main club.

lol

[BackHome]

Let him grow and keep his confidence high in G League while we figure out who we keeping or who we trading or getting rid of this summer.

It's looking like we got legit starters in Primo, Vassell, Murray, and to a degree Poodle. Our bench well we have our sixth man in Keldon I thought White and Walker would also be fighting for the sixth spot but they are playing terrible - Spurs should seriously be looking at doing a trade if they could get a decent enough offer for white and Walker.

But I like we figuring things out and people growing and hopefully getting better - but we need to get a top 8 draft pick to pick our starting PF/C in this upcoming draft.

[The Truth #6]

Primo will fit in sooo nicely with Murray and Vassell. The fit is perfect.

Agreed. Hey, you seem to be following the Austin Spurs. Any thoughts on how Lil Weezy has been playing? I'm really hoping he can replace Forbes eventually down the line.

[BackHome]

Can’t have that turnover at the end

Yeah that turn over with 22 seconds left on the clock and leading by two - If he was with Pop he would never see playing time again this season......

[Dejounte]

Agreed. Hey, you seem to be following the Austin Spurs. Any thoughts on how Lil Weezy has been playing? I'm really hoping he can replace Forbes eventually down the line.

Asking the wrong questions here… Forbes has seldom been a hindrance for anyone’s minutes except for your typical folks who want rookies to play over anyone and everyone… it’s time to start looking at the bigger fish like Lonnie and maybe even White, guys who aren’t deserving the amount of minutes theyre getting… is Wieskamp ready to take THEIR minutes, most definitely not. Spurs’ second rounders making it on the main roster has been a rare instance but maybe because Wieskamp’s one and only job is to be good at shooting gives him a better shot to make it than past second rounders. He made big shots tonight and if he keeps it up, I don’t see why he wouldn’t be given a chance to overthrow at least Lonnie’s empty calories whenever Lonnie gets minutes… Wieskamp would at least be a reliable shooter. White, on the other hand, would be a harder obstacle. Wieskamp would have to be above average on defense to overthrow him so even if White is garbage right now, Joe has a long way to go. To answer your question, any scrub can overtake Forbes’ minutes right now but it’s so irrelevant because he barely gets minutes anyway…

[Seventyniner]

Anyone got a Primo highlight link? Wasn't able to see the game, looks like he tore it up by the box score.

[spurs1990]

They actually uploaded his highlights unlike his first game.
3pt game coming along nicely


https://youtu.be/JwnDjk6ejnk

[BillMc]

They actually uploaded his highlights unlike his first game.
3pt game coming along nicely


https://youtu.be/JwnDjk6ejnk

Looks damn good.

[slick'81]

Again, get rid of any combination of white/forbes and walker. Unleash vassell/primo suave

[slick'81]

Primo's first stint has been horrible offensively and defensively ouch.


:rollin

[Sugus]

They actually uploaded his highlights unlike his first game.
3pt game coming along nicely


https://youtu.be/JwnDjk6ejnk

Man, the guy is unreal. That last shot - perfectly keeps his defender in jail behind him after the screen, then gets rid of the second defender with a timely hesitation stop before blowing past him for the reverse layup. None of that is easy, and even more impressive for a rookie as young as him. I definitely see Harden there, even more so considering how jumpshooting-oriented his game is.

Exciting stuff. If he keeps dominating like that, I could see him getting called up after the ASB regularly... Hope he doesn't get in the way of the Spurs' tank too much lol

[The Truth #6]

Asking the wrong questions here… Forbes has seldom been a hindrance for anyone’s minutes except for your typical folks who want rookies to play over anyone and everyone… it’s time to start looking at the bigger fish like Lonnie and maybe even White, guys who aren’t deserving the amount of minutes theyre getting… is Wieskamp ready to take THEIR minutes, most definitely not. Spurs’ second rounders making it on the main roster has been a rare instance but maybe because Wieskamp’s one and only job is to be good at shooting gives him a better shot to make it than past second rounders. He made big shots tonight and if he keeps it up, I don’t see why he wouldn’t be given a chance to overthrow at least Lonnie’s empty calories whenever Lonnie gets minutes… Wieskamp would at least be a reliable shooter. White, on the other hand, would be a harder obstacle. Wieskamp would have to be above average on defense to overthrow him so even if White is garbage right now, Joe has a long way to go. To answer your question, any scrub can overtake Forbes’ minutes right now but it’s so irrelevant because he barely gets minutes anyway…

Sounds like we’re asking different questions, actually. I don’t see Lil Weezy getting minutes over White or Walker, especially before Primo. But I would love to see him do well.

[Mnky]

Primo offense is NBA ready, but man it was a pain watching him in the PnR defense. He never establishes position or gets around it. He often left his help in a horrible position. It could be for not having experience with eachother, but he was really bad the whole night with it. His defense and swipes look Harden esque bad. I noted this on draft night, it worries me how dead and slow he looks on defense at times. He made some plays late in the game but he does not seem to have much of an idea of how to play defense tbh. He doesn't use his body well and usually let's his defender get him off balance very easily.

He has a completely different gear on offense when the ball is in his hands which is another worry. Why doesn't he turn that gear on defensively? There was one play he was jogging back on defense and his team got the ball back quickly and were running the other way, he was running against them without even realizing it. That was a huge red flag to me. How is he so out of it on defense the majority of the time ? We know he's smart enough and athletic enough. Just kind of worrisome for me and I can see why he needs time in the G league with that effort on Defense.

I'd take Primo over Forbes any day, but half the night, his body language and awareness made me wonder on defense.

Once again, on offense I wish he was on the main team. They could use it. That defense was just, inexcusable, pretty bad for most of the game. He got cooked several times by a legit g league player.

On offense, he definitely wanted to run the show and in the first, they weren't giving it to him. He did not seem to respond well to that and maybe that's why the lack of effort. I'd like to see him be a complete player in the g league. Really shouldn't be asking much.

[Dejounte]

Sounds like we’re asking different questions, actually. I don’t see Lil Weezy getting minutes over White or Walker, especially before Primo. But I would love to see him do well.

All I was saying is the bar should be set higher than Forbes for Wieskamp because I, too, want to see him do well. I don’t think it’s a step in any direction for Wieskamp to take Forbes’ minutes since we’ve seen young players like Metu or Luka get those kind of minutes only to get cut. Primo is a given already in my eyes to take minutes from a regular rotational player.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

What a great comeback for the kid after a disastrous start. Shows great confidence, well done. Hopefully bodes well for the future.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Primo offense is NBA ready, but man it was a pain watching him in the PnR defense. He never establishes position or gets around it. He often left his help in a horrible position. It could be for not having experience with eachother, but he was really bad the whole night with it. His defense and swipes look Harden esque bad. I noted this on draft night, it worries me how dead and slow he looks on defense at times. He made some plays late in the game but he does not seem to have much of an idea of how to play defense tbh. He doesn't use his body well and usually let's his defender get him off balance very easily.

He has a completely different gear on offense when the ball is in his hands which is another worry. Why doesn't he turn that gear on defensively? There was one play he was jogging back on defense and his team got the ball back quickly and were running the other way, he was running against them without even realizing it. That was a huge red flag to me. How is he so out of it on defense the majority of the time ? We know he's smart enough and athletic enough. Just kind of worrisome for me and I can see why he needs time in the G league with that effort on Defense.

I'd take Primo over Forbes any day, but half the night, his body language and awareness made me wonder on defense.

Once again, on offense I wish he was on the main team. They could use it. That defense was just, inexcusable, pretty bad for most of the game. He got cooked several times by a legit g league player.

On offense, he definitely wanted to run the show and in the first, they weren't giving it to him. He did not seem to respond well to that and maybe that's why the lack of effort. I'd like to see him be a complete player in the g league. Really shouldn't be asking much.

Yeah, he does look like he needs to develop responsible habits on defense.

If he's gonna be immature and need some personality growth, it probably is a good idea to let him run loose in the G-League and bring him along slowly as a more complete player and teammate.

His defense needs a lot of work no question and there is no point in rewarding destructive habits.

He can take his time in G-League while the big club earns another high pick to grow with him. It is what it is.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Primo offense is NBA ready, but man it was a pain watching him in the PnR defense. He never establishes position or gets around it. He often left his help in a horrible position. It could be for not having experience with eachother, but he was really bad the whole night with it. His defense and swipes look Harden esque bad. I noted this on draft night, it worries me how dead and slow he looks on defense at times. He made some plays late in the game but he does not seem to have much of an idea of how to play defense tbh. He doesn't use his body well and usually let's his defender get him off balance very easily.

He has a completely different gear on offense when the ball is in his hands which is another worry. Why doesn't he turn that gear on defensively? There was one play he was jogging back on defense and his team got the ball back quickly and were running the other way, he was running against them without even realizing it. That was a huge red flag to me. How is he so out of it on defense the majority of the time ? We know he's smart enough and athletic enough. Just kind of worrisome for me and I can see why he needs time in the G league with that effort on Defense.

I'd take Primo over Forbes any day, but half the night, his body language and awareness made me wonder on defense.

Once again, on offense I wish he was on the main team. They could use it. That defense was just, inexcusable, pretty bad for most of the game. He got cooked several times by a legit g league player.

On offense, he definitely wanted to run the show and in the first, they weren't giving it to him. He did not seem to respond well to that and maybe that's why the lack of effort. I'd like to see him be a complete player in the g league. Really shouldn't be asking much.
I agree completely, I just finished the game. He looked pretty disengaged for the majority of the game imo. Maybe because he thinks he's much better than a lot of these guys and thinks he belongs in SA who knows but I definitely noticed his body language was really nonchalant.

However, as the game progressed I think his intensity got a lot better and his competitive nature kicked in. He drew a huge charge at the end of the game and he showed emotion for the first time all game and then had a slick pass to Cacok for the game winning shot. The last couple of minutes of the game he definitely bought into defense but I agree he was extremely soft defensively and it seemed like he didn't really care if they scored or not. He did have two nice blocks, clearly has the tools to play defense and I don't see him playing that disengaged defensively in SA and I haven't yet actually, he's been solid defensively every game he's played with the Spurs.

But man this kid really is the youngest player in the entire NBA. I am excited to watch this kid progress, with his shooting alone he should be with the Spurs right now.

[Dejounte]

Interesting— Primo tried harder in this game to land on both feet when he shoots instead of just one like he usually does. This is likely due to him getting injured from the last game.

[slick'81]

This is kid is going to play his way outta that hell hole soon enough

[Maddog]

Interesting— Primo tried harder in this game to land on both feet when he shoots instead of just one like he usually does. This is likely due to him getting injured from the last game.

That and defense basics are one of many reasons for him to be in the G-League to start out.

[The Truth #6]

His body language is usually sort of nonchalant I guess, but I took that as him being sort of centered and mature, and not overwhelmed by the moment. But absolutely, better defense is needed, ideally.

[duncan2k5]

That and defense basics are one of many reasons for him to be in the G-League to start out.

Bullshit... There are many players who are known to be bad defenders that still ended up in the hall of fame... Some players simply will never be good at defense... That's no reason to stick them in the g-league... Who did that ever help? Certainly didn't help Forbes

[R. DeMurre]

Yeah, the defense is a little scary-- ballhandlers get around Primo consistently with little effort. Also, one of the reasons Primo was -11 for the game, despite scoring 28 pts in a win. Definitely a trend to keep an eye on, as he was in the negative in the last G league game also, and overall for the Summer league. I'd say it's too early to call it a red flag, but it's worrying that he seems extremely motivated on the offensive end and completely nonchalant on defense.

[itzsoweezee]

That and defense basics are one of many reasons for him to be in the G-League to start out.

Lol

[KobesAchilles]

Primo will fit in sooo nicely with Murray and Vassell. The fit is perfect.
Starters should beb
Murray
Primo
Vassell
KJ
Poeltl

[KobesAchilles]

Bullshit... There are many players who are known to be bad defenders that still ended up in the hall of fame... Some players simply will never be good at defense... That's no reason to stick them in the g-league... Who did that ever help? Certainly didn't help Forbes
Yeah Idgaf about my point guard defense. Like who really is a good defender as a point guard? DJ? Anyone else? He just needs to learn where to bee on the court for defense and that will help him a lot. I hope Pop does leave after this year though bc I don't want the kid coached like Lonnie was coached. The Spurs themselves did all this to Lonnie so any complaint about him should go to PATFO and not Lonnie

[TDomination]

Primo offense is NBA ready, but man it was a pain watching him in the PnR defense. He never establishes position or gets around it. He often left his help in a horrible position. It could be for not having experience with eachother, but he was really bad the whole night with it. His defense and swipes look Harden esque bad. I noted this on draft night, it worries me how dead and slow he looks on defense at times. He made some plays late in the game but he does not seem to have much of an idea of how to play defense tbh. He doesn't use his body well and usually let's his defender get him off balance very easily.

He has a completely different gear on offense when the ball is in his hands which is another worry. Why doesn't he turn that gear on defensively? There was one play he was jogging back on defense and his team got the ball back quickly and were running the other way, he was running against them without even realizing it. That was a huge red flag to me. How is he so out of it on defense the majority of the time ? We know he's smart enough and athletic enough. Just kind of worrisome for me and I can see why he needs time in the G league with that effort on Defense.

I'd take Primo over Forbes any day, but half the night, his body language and awareness made me wonder on defense.

Once again, on offense I wish he was on the main team. They could use it. That defense was just, inexcusable, pretty bad for most of the game. He got cooked several times by a legit g league player.

On offense, he definitely wanted to run the show and in the first, they weren't giving it to him. He did not seem to respond well to that and maybe that's why the lack of effort. I'd like to see him be a complete player in the g league. Really shouldn't be asking much.

Thanks for the insight. will be interesting to see if he becomes more engaged moving forward.

[exstatic]

Yeah, the defense is a little scary-- ballhandlers get around Primo consistently with little effort. Also, one of the reasons Primo was -11 for the game, despite scoring 28 pts in a win. Definitely a trend to keep an eye on, as he was in the negative in the last G league game also, and overall for the Summer league. I'd say it's too early to call it a red flag, but it's worrying that he seems extremely motivated on the offensive end and completely nonchalant on defense.

One of the reasons I like drafting players like DJ and Vassell. It’s easier to fire up a defensive stalwart about offense than the other way around.

[exstatic]

Yeah Idgaf about my point guard defense. Like who really is a good defender as a point guard? DJ? Anyone else? He just needs to learn where to bee on the court for defense and that will help him a lot. I hope Pop does leave after this year though bc I don't want the kid coached like Lonnie was coached. The Spurs themselves did all this to Lonnie so any complaint about him should go to PATFO and not Lonnie

DJ
Jrue Holiday
FVV
Westbrook
Simmons
Rozier
CP3

[KobesAchilles]

DJ
Jrue Holiday
FVV
Westbrook
Simmons
Rozier
CP3
Van Vleet? Cmon man
Westbrook might literally be the worst point guard defender. Seriously.
Simmons isn't playing. Can't count him bc his feelings are hurt
Don't watch Rozier so I have no idea
And CP3 was a good defender 5 years ago

[Sugus]

Van Vleet? Cmon man
Westbrook might literally be the worst point guard defender. Seriously.
Simmons isn't playing. Can't count him bc his feelings are hurt
Don't watch Rozier so I have no idea
And CP3 was a good defender 5 years ago

FVV has been a positive defender from what I know, I'd like to see some stats on it but it's been my perception watching the Raps.
Westbrook is an awful defender, always has been, has no place on this list, Ex took a nosedive there :lol
You can absolutely count Simmons even if he's not playing, he doesn't stop being a good defender 'cause his feelings are hurt lol
Rozier I have never gotten the impression that he's a "good" defender, always been neutral at best but that's just IMO.
CP3 is still a good defender and last year was a positive contributor for the Suns on that end, I haven't watched him this year but he shouldn't be too far off...

You can add Lowry to this list, and Jrue too since you didn't mention him. Point being, there's a lot of defensive PGs in the league, though they're definitely outnumbered by offensive PGs who are liabilities on D. Lastly, it's perfectly fine to keep Primo in the G-L to develop his defense, especially given his age; there's no reason he can't be a good offensive player, and a good defensive player, if developed correctly. It's not like you have to choose one or the other, and I certainly want the coaching staff to key in on these things at an early stage so he doesn't pick up bad habits long-term.

And lastly, I share your concern about Primo getting coached by Pop :lol and it's certainly another reason I want him on Austin as much as possible this season. The Lonnie saga was a disgrace, and I don't want yet another shoot-first SG having his career derailed by the antiquated mindset Pop focuses on.

[lefty20]

People seem to forget that TP was pretty poor defender as well and Spurs still made it work. Don't get me wrong, it's worth a shot to see if you can improve his defensive technique and awareness, but sometimes it just doesn't click for many players.

This is also true for some players on the offensive end. Some players just can't understand how/when to make a proper cut/roll/screen. I'm not even gonna mention shooting, since that's a different category altogether, imo.

[exstatic]

FVV has been a positive defender from what I know, I'd like to see some stats on it but it's been my perception watching the Raps.
Westbrook is an awful defender, always has been, has no place on this list, Ex took a nosedive there :lol
You can absolutely count Simmons even if he's not playing, he doesn't stop being a good defender 'cause his feelings are hurt lol
Rozier I have never gotten the impression that he's a "good" defender, always been neutral at best but that's just IMO.
CP3 is still a good defender and last year was a positive contributor for the Suns on that end, I haven't watched him this year but he shouldn't be too far off...

You can add Lowry to this list, and Jrue too since you didn't mention him. Point being, there's a lot of defensive PGs in the league, though they're definitely outnumbered by offensive PGs who are liabilities on D. Lastly, it's perfectly fine to keep Primo in the G-L to develop his defense, especially given his age; there's no reason he can't be a good offensive player, and a good defensive player, if developed correctly. It's not like you have to choose one or the other, and I certainly want the coaching staff to key in on these things at an early stage so he doesn't pick up bad habits long-term.

And lastly, I share your concern about Primo getting coached by Pop :lol and it's certainly another reason I want him on Austin as much as possible this season. The Lonnie saga was a disgrace, and I don't want yet another shoot-first SG having his career derailed by the antiquated mindset Pop focuses on.

Lonnie’s problem isn’t Pop, it’s Lonnie. Other players coached by Pop don’t freeze up or pass the ball away when they get a catch and shoot opportunity. He’s an almost completely passive player, which is a shame, because he has talent. I can’t see him on the roster next year, with Vassell basically beating him up and taking his lunch money/minutes as an unafraid 2-way player, and Primo looking like a better version.

[BackHome]

I like Lonnie as a person but as a player he has to many flaws I am hoping we can move him and Young for a good trade but Spurs are terrible when it comes to making complex moves.

I think with the right team he could blossom but not with our team and I would say that’s it’s not all on Walker just like it’s not all on Pop. I think is a little bit of both I will say one thing I hate is when a new player has a great game Pop will bench him for days or weeks which to me makes no fucking sense? If anyone can explain why this is good development please let me know.

[KobesAchilles]

Lonnie’s problem isn’t Pop, it’s Lonnie. Other players coached by Pop don’t freeze up or pass the ball away when they get a catch and shoot opportunity. He’s an almost completely passive player, which is a shame, because he has talent. I can’t see him on the roster next year, with Vassell basically beating him up and taking his lunch money/minutes as an unafraid 2-way player, and Primo looking like a better version.
Nah it was Pop. He didn’t play him at all. Benched him for worse defenders. Played him one game then sat him the next three. Never have him a consistent role on the floor, he never had a play designed for him. And basically let LMA, DDR, and Gay dribble dribble shoot the whole offense.

Lonnie def has his own issues but our coaching of him was shitty from the get go

[spurraider21]

:lmao westbrook as an example of a good defensive pg?

[exstatic]

Nah it was Pop. He didn’t play him at all. Benched him for worse defenders. Played him one game then sat him the next three. Never have him a consistent role on the floor, he never had a play designed for him. And basically let LMA, DDR, and Gay dribble dribble shoot the whole offense.

Lonnie def has his own issues but our coaching of him was shitty from the get go

He got no different coaching than any of the other players. The cuffs were off this year. He was started. He deferred too much. Moved to the bench to get more touches. He STILL deferred. Players who are afraid to fail never amount to much, and that’s a personality trait that is imprinted in childhood.

[KobesAchilles]

He got no different coaching than any of the other players. The cuffs were off this year. He was started. He deferred too much. Moved to the bench to get more touches. He STILL deferred. Players who are afraid to fail never amount to much, and that’s a personality trait that is imprinted in childhood.
That’s a lie. He got completely different coaching from Murray or Forbes or Belli or DDR or Gay or literally every other player on the Spurs. It’s not the getting benched part it’s the not playing him for 3 games part. Pop did that to nobody else and it fucked with him. That’s why he got scared. Dude wasn’t getting benched for a quarter but whole games. That’s bad coaching. I’m not even a Pop hater but you have to sniff pretty strongly in order to think Pop did right by Lonnie

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/thetyjager/status/1460417472507617281?s=21

Well, well, well

Excel is the agency people should hate

[MultiTroll]

He got no different coaching than any of the other players.
:lolWhat KobesAchilles said.

Get back with us Sniffy when Lonnie has started 151 of 152 games with zero accountability like Pet Bryn.

[Atl Spur]

https://twitter.com/thetyjager/status/1460417472507617281?s=21

Well, well, well

Excel is the agency people should hate

Right? But we know it’s a race thing......

[Seventyniner]

I'm not going to lose any sleep over Keldon signing with Klutch or buy into any Klutch anti-Spurs conspiracy theories. Keldon's signing happened after the Spurs didn't extend Lonnie, another Klutch client.

[exstatic]

That’s a lie. He got completely different coaching from Murray or Forbes or Belli or DDR or Gay or literally every other player on the Spurs. It’s not the getting benched part it’s the not playing him for 3 games part. Pop did that to nobody else and it fucked with him. That’s why he got scared. Dude wasn’t getting benched for a quarter but whole games. That’s bad coaching. I’m not even a Pop hater but you have to sniff pretty strongly in order to think Pop did right by Lonnie

I wasn’t specific enough. He wasn’t coached any harder than any of the other draftees.

It’s not about “doing right by Lonnie”, it’s about maximizing a players talent. Sometimes, that’s not pleasant. Ask Tony Parker.

[Dejounte]

I just realized I posted that in the wrong thread. D’oh

[MI21]

:lmao westbrook as an example of a good defensive pg?

How on earth can you argue that, look at his elite end game D on display here!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqlZ-55Z6OM

[cd98]

https://twitter.com/thetyjager/status/1460417472507617281?s=21

Well, well, well

Excel is the agency people should hate

Ha, I would say Excel is the agency every player should hire. I mean, if they can keep Bryn Forbes and Drew Eubanks on NBA teams, that is quite the accomplishment.

[Sugus]

Lonnie’s problem isn’t Pop, it’s Lonnie. Other players coached by Pop don’t freeze up or pass the ball away when they get a catch and shoot opportunity. He’s an almost completely passive player, which is a shame, because he has talent. I can’t see him on the roster next year, with Vassell basically beating him up and taking his lunch money/minutes as an unafraid 2-way player, and Primo looking like a better version.

:lmao we must've been watching different teams, I guess. You're really telling me other Spurs players don't pass up C&S opportunities in favor of passing out of them, or driving -> kicking out, when it's literally been a basics of the Spurs' young core's playstyle for the last couple years? Hell, you can catch the game tonight and watch Keldon be on that shit, too; and the stats back it up - Spurs have been a bottom-of-the-league 3pt shooting team for many seasons now, and this will be no exception, even with DeRozan gone.

But that's not what I was talking about. I absolutely think Pop's been a problem for Lonnie, not the single problem, but for certain a contribution. You seem to think, from your exchange with Kobes, that Lonnie got no different treatment than the rest of the players; to that I can say that you either weren't watching close enough, weren't paying attention, or aren't arguing in good faith with me. He has pretty much objectively been miscoached, benched for mistakes similar-role'd players get a way longer leash for (have you so quickly forgotten about the Beli-Patty-Forbes trio, huh...?), repeatedly DNP-CD'd in both rookie and sophomore seasons (the most formative for most NBA players), and consistently was not given a clear role, function or opportunity on the team, eternally banished to the corner for C&S opportunities - that often didn't manifest, per design. And now you're surprised the guy isn't playing up to his talent level?

Lonnie literally got the least amount of playing minutes in his very first game after the Rockets game explosion. Least. On. The. Team. You can go check the boxscore, and all the boxscores for his DNP's, 5-minutes-per-game's, etcetera.

And you can go watch him be aggressive in college tape for the "born/daddy-coached-this-way" argument you displayed later. Hell, his pre-draft profile literally states "Aggressively looks to score both in half court sets as well as in transition …". And yet, gets to the Spurs, NOTHING happens, supposedly - and two years later he's looking over his shoulder on every move, scared to drive, finish, shoot? Yeah, sure....

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Lonnie was some Jordan-level talent that was neutered entirely by Pop. But you're being incredibly disingenuous here in favor of giving Pop leeway that he doesn't deserve, and which evidence disproves at every point.

The one thing I agree on: I don't see him on the team for much longer. I wasn't expecting the Spurs to draft yet another one, and an aggressive shooter at that. His niche is looking like it'll be perfectly filled by Primo as soon as next season, so him not getting extended was sad, but not surprising.

[Sugus]

That’s a lie. He got completely different coaching from Murray or Forbes or Belli or DDR or Gay or literally every other player on the Spurs. It’s not the getting benched part it’s the not playing him for 3 games part. Pop did that to nobody else and it fucked with him. That’s why he got scared. Dude wasn’t getting benched for a quarter but whole games. That’s bad coaching. I’m not even a Pop hater but you have to sniff pretty strongly in order to think Pop did right by Lonnie

I'll never forget two things regarding Lonnie and coaching: a game his sophomore season where he was, quite literally, benched in the first 3 minutes of the game for missing a defensive rotation, only for Forbes to come into the game and miss consecutive rotations, without punishment, and with Lonnie never entering the game afterwards; and the very first game after his explosion against the Rockettes, his confidence at an all-time high... And Pop playing him the literal least minutes of any player, Forbes and Patty included.

I'll forever maintain that Lonnie was miscoached here, and his career has probably already been derailed due to it, even if he gets off SanAn next season. Hope he can blossom elsewhere, 'cause I've always liked the guy and follow him closer than most.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol if one game broke Lonnie, he was never going to make it in the NBA anyway.

[KobesAchilles]

I'll never forget two things regarding Lonnie and coaching: a game his sophomore season where he was, quite literally, benched in the first 3 minutes of the game for missing a defensive rotation, only for Forbes to come into the game and miss consecutive rotations, without punishment, and with Lonnie never entering the game afterwards; and the very first game after his explosion against the Rockettes, his confidence at an all-time high... And Pop playing him the literal least minutes of any player, Forbes and Patty included.

I'll forever maintain that Lonnie was miscoached here, and his career has probably already been derailed due to it, even if he gets off SanAn next season. Hope he can blossom elsewhere, 'cause I've always liked the guy and follow him closer than most.
I think Pop has trouble seeing the forest for the trees when it comes to youth players. He understands that they are blank slates that need to be taught and their talent, bodies, and mind aren't that of a pro yet. This is a positive thing and it's also why he likes to overplay vets so much bc they've been in tough scenarios before, their minds are even keeled, and they understand things that the youth just don't. Like pacing yourself for instance. He brings the youth up slowly bc that's the way it has always worked in our system and we have seen good results with it. He doesn't want to overwhelm a 18 year old Primo.

At the same time though, he forgets that the same way you have to show a vet that you appreciate him with a play call or a shot, you also have to do that with the youth. Teaching Lonnie to stand in a corner and never get the ball while DDR, Gay, and LMA take midrange after midrange isn't going to do anything for Lonnie's development. And you can't tell Lonnie to be more aggressive when you take him out of the rotation for games on end. It's not the Lonnie getting benched for other shitty defenders that got to me, it was Pop basically putting Lonnie in street clothes for the next 3 games for making a rotational mistake. I wouldn't do that to my son for instance when I teach him something. You didn't pick up your toys so no dinner for three days. Veteran players have mental weakness and fatigue. Demar has admitted as much. LMA complained about his touches (and the whole board here freaked out), but that's a natural response to have. Gay also complained about his play and Pop acquiesced to them but never did to Lonnie. He never said you know what, Lonnie hasn't shot the ball in 8 minutes, let me get him engaged on offense so that way he stteps up his engagement on defense. Let me call this play for Lonnie to get him a 3 so that shows we have confidence in him to make the shot. Let me get the ball out early in transition every now and then instead of playing slow paced half court basketball. And that's the issue I have with Pop. he knows better than to do this shit with the Vets but does it to Lonnie.

I also think this was a weakness of not having a Tony or a Manu on our team. Bc Pop never really had to do that before. Avery was always setting up people and pass first. Tony grew up into a very fine point guard at setting up people in either hockey assists or actual assists and Manu has the greatest court vision ever for a SG. They would've naturally gotten Lonnie involved I think

[Isitjustme?]

Can't believe we picked this guy over Sengun lmao. Maybe Alpy wasn't "over himself" enough yet lolol

[rjv]

Can't believe we picked this guy over Sengun lmao. Maybe Alpy wasn't "over himself" enough yet lolol

this observation really fits your user name, especially within the context of this thread

[Sugus]

:lol if one game broke Lonnie, he was never going to make it in the NBA anyway.

No one said one game, my guy. I don't know how casually or not you follow the Spurs, but it was absolutely an ongoing, literally years-long tendencies, since it spun all the way from his rookie season's banishing to Austin all the way to this season, when damage was/is already done.

But ok. :lol.

[MultiTroll]

Brandon Boston Jr. also from SEC at Kentucky, #51 overall pick getting minutes and contributing to the Clippers win over the Spurs.
Meanwhile Grandpa Power Trip still trotting out Bryn Forms while Primo gets zero.

[DeRozan m8]

Ha, I would say Excel is the agency every player should hire. I mean, if they can keep Bryn Forbes and Drew Eubanks on NBA teams, that is quite the accomplishment.

Also got white paid

[objective]

Bartelstein is the guy who got Zach Collins his joke deal, McDermott's nonsense, and DEMARRE CARROLL his bomb

[MI21]

Bartelstein consistently gets great deals for his players.

[rjv]

last night was the first time where i thought it would have been nice to get primo out there just to see if we could get any kind of offense at all. but pop is never going to change his mindset about how younger players are to be developed. he inherited that from larry brown and brown was even worse than pop when it came to rookies.

[MultiTroll]

^ Pop sure is showin em.

[MultiTroll]

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/MAA41jFyADZZvDVUqZI3aA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTM1MztjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/uA0D7illtDRg_bi62DNfKw--~B/aD0xMDAwO3c9MjAwMDthcHBpZD15dGFjaHlvbg--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/insider_articles_922/35fc899d4f5dd59f6a7ab999d13b4b14

[BillMc]

Will Primo be with the big squad again anytime soon?

[Trill Clinton]

Primo getting substantial minutes in the g league and being the go to scorer>>>>>>playing spot minutes in a blowout in the big league.

Spurstalk posters whined about Pop not giving the young guys any minutes and he finally gives the young guys minutes and now you want a new young guy to eat into their minutes?https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/comeon.png

[Trill Clinton]

No one said one game, my guy. I don't know how casually or not you follow the Spurs, but it was absolutely an ongoing, literally years-long tendencies, since it spun all the way from his rookie season's banishing to Austin all the way to this season, when damage was/is already done.

But ok. :lol.

Lonnie is a jag fam. Pop isn't a miracle worker. Either you got it or you don't and Lonnie just don't got it.

[MultiTroll]

Primo getting substantial minutes in the g league and being the go to scorer>>>>>>playing spot minutes in a blowout in the big league.

Spurstalk posters whined about Pop not giving the young guys any minutes and he finally gives the young guys minutes and now you want a new young guy to eat into their minutes?https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/comeon.png
166 minutes thus far for Pet Bryn Bryn.
FOH that giving Primo some or ALL of those minutes is a bad idea.

[Trill Clinton]

166 minutes thus far for Pet Bryn Bryn.
FOH that giving Primo some or ALL of those minutes is a bad idea.

Bryn is only avg 12 mins a game...last game he only played 7 mins. Primo played 31 mins and was the focal point of the offense in Austin...yea give me the minutes and touches all day.

[MultiTroll]

Bryn is only avg 12 mins a game...last game he only played 7 mins. Primo played 31 mins and was the focal point of the offense in Austin...yea give me the minutes and touches all day.
"Only" a quarter of a f-ing game? That is plenty of time to effect a games outcome.

I'll do a thread on what NBA teams are doing with 1st rounders and teenagers.
Did you see Boston Jr. last night vs the Spurs? Un huh. He's 19 and is a 2nd round pick.

[Trill Clinton]

"Only" a quarter of a f-ing game? That is plenty of time to effect a games outcome.

I'll do a thread on what NBA teams are doing with 1st rounders and teenagers.
Did you see Boston Jr. last night vs the Spurs? Un huh. He's 19 and is a 2nd round pick.

You can't develop talent with only 12 mins a game fam. Yes I saw Boston Jr and I also saw that the Clippers had about 5 players in street clothes which is why he was forced into playing so much lol.

Before last nights 20 minutes, Boston jr played 0,1,3 and 9 minutes in previous games. He will be sent to the g league very soon and we can watch him and Primo go at it for 30+ mins a game:toast

[MultiTroll]

You can't develop talent with only 12 mins a game fam. Yes I saw Boston Jr and I also saw that the Clippers had about 5 players in street clothes which is why he was forced into playing so much lol
Ok well explain how the 11-2 Warriors are playing both 19 year old 1st rounders.
Or save it for the thread.

[Trill Clinton]

Ok well explain how the 11-2 Warriors are playing both 19 year old 1st rounders.
Or save it for the thread.

Moody is only avg 6 mins a game and Kuminga spent an entire year in the G league. When the Spurs drafted Primo everyone knew he was going to spend a lot of time in the G league due to his position and being the youngest player in the draft.

[MultiTroll]

Moody is only avg 6 mins a game and Kuminga spent an entire year in the G league. When the Spurs drafted Primo everyone knew he was going to spend a lot of time in the G league due to his position and being the youngest player in the draft.
Duly noted with Kuminga.

I'm fine with Primo playing both places.
However having him up with the Spurs to sit and watch Pet Bryn is beyond b.s. incompetent coaching.

[The Truth #6]

I think a middle approach would be best. Occasional minutes in SA to assess areas for improvement, then back to Austin to work on those deficiencies. But a lot of these arguments are in bad faith, anyway. People hate Pop, which I get, but no reason to obsess over Primo if complaining about Pop is the real goal.

[Sugus]

Primo getting substantial minutes in the g league and being the go to scorer>>>>>>playing spot minutes in a blowout in the big league.

Spurstalk posters whined about Pop not giving the young guys any minutes and he finally gives the young guys minutes and now you want a new young guy to eat into their minutes?https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/comeon.png

This is it, tbh.


Lonnie is a jag fam. Pop isn't a miracle worker. Either you got it or you don't and Lonnie just don't got it.

This is not it, tbh.

What is a "jag" exactly? Never heard that word before. Regardless, it doesn't matter what Lonnie has or doesn't have, he didn't deserve the treatment he got, even more so when we've watched players who "got" even less (Forbes, Beli, etc) all get preferential treatment and roles than Lonnie got. It fucks with a players' development, and watching him fail now and extrapolating that into "he sucks now so he would've always sucked, Pop or not" is silly.

[rr2911]

I don't have the inside information that some here might have, and my "opinion" is based on watching the games, but Lonniw Walker has had every opportunity to take the bull by the horns. Devin Vassel, Keldon Johnson are two players that made the most when they got on the court. Lonnie just hasn't seized the chances he's been given. In some forums he's known as Lonnie "Houdini" Walker because he disappears after a while. Whether Pop had a lot to do with Walker subpar performances by having a short leash, it does say a lot about Walker's weak mentality. One would think he would go out the next time and try harder.

[rr2911]

I don't have the inside information that some here might have, and my "opinion" is based on watching the games, but Lonniw Walker has had every opportunity to take the bull by the horns. Devin Vassel, Keldon Johnson are two players that made the most when they got on the court. Lonnie just hasn't seized the chances he's been given. In some forums he's known as Lonnie "Houdini" Walker because he disappears after a while. Whether Pop had a lot to do with Walker subpar performances by having a short leash, it does say a lot about Walker's weak mentality. One would think he would go out the next time and try harder.

[exstatic]

Ok well explain how the 11-2 Warriors are playing both 19 year old 1st rounders.
Or save it for the thread.

One of those 19 YOs spent the entire last season in the gleague…

[MultiTroll]

^ Thanks Scoop

Kuminga spent an entire year in the G league.


Duly noted with Kuminga.

I'm fine with Primo playing both places.
However having him up with the Spurs to sit and watch Pet Bryn is beyond b.s. incompetent coaching.

[tonight...you]

This is it, tbh.



This is not it, tbh.

What is a "jag" exactly? Never heard that word before. Regardless, it doesn't matter what Lonnie has or doesn't have, he didn't deserve the treatment he got, even more so when we've watched players who "got" even less (Forbes, Beli, etc) all get preferential treatment and roles than Lonnie got. It fucks with a players' development, and watching him fail now and extrapolating that into "he sucks now so he would've always sucked, Pop or not" is silly.
Just Another Guy

[duncan2k5]

Lonnie’s problem isn’t Pop, it’s Lonnie. Other players coached by Pop don’t freeze up or pass the ball away when they get a catch and shoot opportunity. He’s an almost completely passive player, which is a shame, because he has talent. I can’t see him on the roster next year, with Vassell basically beating him up and taking his lunch money/minutes as an unafraid 2-way player, and Primo looking like a better version.

There's no player that was ever coached like Lonnie that has worked out well under Pop

[duncan2k5]

Will Primo be with the big squad again anytime soon?

Lol... Pop is coaching Primo to be a role player... Even a rookie Giannis told his team he didn't wanna go to the g-league because he wouldn't be able to get the same development as playing in the NBA... Even a rookie Giannis knew that... A guy grafted even lower than Primo... If Pop drafted Giannis, he would have been a mediocre role player that got spot bench minutes because he would have spend his first three seasons dicking around in the g league

[itzsoweezee]

Anyone stating Primo should be in the g league is also necessarily stating that Bryn Forbes deserves the minutes he’s getting. That’s all you need to know about what opinion is correct.

[exstatic]

There's no player that was ever coached like Lonnie that has worked out well under Pop

Tony Parker has entered the chat…Lonnie would have gone to pieces if he were treated like Parker. Danny Green was screamed and cussed at regularly.

Lonnie actually got off easily.

[Maddog]

Tony Parker has entered the chat…Lonnie would have gone to pieces if he were treated like Parker. Danny Green was screamed and cussed at regularly.

Lonnie actually got off easily.

Hell Danny Green got waived, re-signed, sent to G or D league

[emanueldavidginobili]

They play tonight 730 CT on ESPN +

[Larry O]

They play tonight 730 CT on ESPN +

Hmmm.... will anyone be watching the Big Boi Spurs playing Minny tonight? All eyes on El Primo Puro, instead! :)

[Chomag]

I'm all against Primo in the G league but maybe it's s a good thing he is far away from Pop to mess this kids head up.

[objective]

Anyone stating Primo should be in the g league is also necessarily stating that Bryn Forbes deserves the minutes he’s getting. That’s all you need to know about what opinion is correct.


Lol... Pop is coaching Primo to be a role player... Even a rookie Giannis told his team he didn't wanna go to the g-league because he wouldn't be able to get the same development as playing in the NBA... Even a rookie Giannis knew that... A guy grafted even lower than Primo... If Pop drafted Giannis, he would have been a mediocre role player that got spot bench minutes because he would have spend his first three seasons dicking around in the g league

both of these.

Giannis had it right. Playing against real players, even as a reserve, is more common for making superstars if you want development. Paul George started as a reserve who chafed against Jim O'Brien's bad lineups and being designated in a defensive role yet somehow managed to become Paul George.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Primo looks a 100X better defensively than last game. I haven't checked the box score but the first quarter is still going on and he has 2 blocks and 2 steals so far

[Dejounte]

Hes killing it on defense