Derrick White trade looking worse and worse every day

[tim_duncan_fan]

This is exactly the reason I want the Spurs to retain him next season. I don't care wether the plan is to tank out the season or gun for the play-in, but we need these kind of vet presences, not only in the lockerroom but also in practices. Devin and Lonnie could both use the help in the areas Rich is already great at, and he seems to have nice chemistry with the team and been integrated well. He could really help the youngings' development through the off-season and next season too.

Solidly on "keep him at any cost" camp, tbh, which I also wasn't expecting to be when the trade was announced.

I don't know why he wouldn't be back. Dude is a smooth player. He's not an all-star but he can hoop and he's wanted to play for Pop for a long time and he makes us better.

He's better than White by simply taking the open shot without stuttering and having an existential crisis to give the defender time to close. The shots actually going in is a bonus.

[CGD]

Celtics fans are already turning on him because of how shitty his offense is :lol.

Love Derrick but literally can’t shoot. And he’s a SG lol. Trading him was 100% the right move.

Boston sports fans can be emo tools. It’s not an accident that they went on their tear when they got White. He’s the glue that prevents them from playing “your turn, my turn.” Really elevates their BBIQ.

[emanueldavidginobili]

I don't know why he wouldn't be back. Dude is a smooth player. He's not an all-star but he can hoop and he's wanted to play for Pop for a long time and he makes us better.

He's better than White by simply taking the open shot without stuttering and having an existential crisis to give the defender time to close. The shots actually going in is a bonus.
Yeah that's what I love about J Rich, this dude doesn't hesitate whatsoever and we desperately need someone like that.

[8sy21vd]

It was a win-win for both franchises. White has helped Boston's offensive flow and team defense even though his shooting has been booty (picking up as of late though). I'm sure he's happy to be on a contender too and they are a legit threat to make it out of the East, particularly if Timelord returns by the 2nd round. First round draft picks don't really mean that much for contenders.

The Spurs got more cap flexibility and a good haul in trade return: A late FRP, a player in Richardson who possibly fetches a late FRP since he's under contract another year to my knowledge, and that top 1 protected pick swap that won't likely convey but you never know. Not sure Romeo has any value internally as a development project or trade asset.

The Spurs need a Star level talent (preferably a big) to pair with DJ as he continues to evolve to move this franchise from a late-lottery to perennial playoff team. Acquiring all these draft assets give them a better chance to find him because as many have stated, it won't be in FA. You have a bunch of young players that could become good as well that could be packaged with all these picks as well.

[Dejounte]

It was a win-win for both franchises. White has helped Boston's offensive flow and team defense even though his shooting has been booty (picking up as of late though). I'm sure he's happy to be on a contender too and they are a legit threat to make it out of the East, particularly if Timelord returns by the 2nd round. First round draft picks don't really mean that much for contenders.

The Spurs got more cap flexibility and a good haul in trade return: A late FRP, a player in Richardson who possibly fetches a late FRP since he's under contract another year to my knowledge, and that top 1 protected pick swap that won't likely convey but you never know. Not sure Romeo has any value internally as a development project or trade asset.

The Spurs need a Star level talent (preferably a big) to pair with DJ as he continues to evolve to move this franchise from a late-lottery to perennial playoff team. Acquiring all these draft assets give them a better chance to find him because as many have stated, it won't be in FA. You have a bunch of young players that could become good as well that could be packaged with all these picks as well.

Why won’t the top 1 protected pick convey?

[exstatic]

Why won’t the top 1 protected pick convey?

I think what he means is that if we have a worse record than Boston, a top 1 protected pick swap option is useless. If we improve, and are at pick 20, and Boston is at 26, obvs we don’t swap.

[talkspurs]

Why won’t the top 1 protected pick convey?

Boston has it protected from some of the things I have seen. it is only protected top 1 though not even top 4.

[KingKev]

Boston has it protected from some of the things I have seen. it is only protected top 1 though not even top 4.

It’s very simple. If Boston has the top pick no swap. If the Spurs have a better pick than Boston no swap. If Boston has a better record it conveys so long as they aren’t #1.

[talkspurs]

It’s very simple. If Boston has the top pick no swap. If the Spurs have a better pick than Boston no swap. If Boston has a better record it conveys so long as they aren’t #1.

I know what it is I was answering the two people right before that did not know it was top 1 protected.

[R. DeMurre]

When the Lakers traded away a ton of draft capital to the Pelicans in the Anthony Davis move, they never expected the 2022 pick to be a lottery pick. They assumed it'd be a pick in the late 20s. And that was only in the summer of 2019. Fast forward three years, and the Lakers are royally screwed, though that also has to do with a multitude of bad moves. 2028 is a long long ways away...

[KingKev]

When the Lakers traded away a ton of draft capital to the Pelicans in the Anthony Davis move, they never expected the 2022 pick to be a lottery pick. They assumed it'd be a pick in the late 20s. And that was only in the summer of 2019. Fast forward three years, and the Lakers are royally screwed, though that also has to do with a multitude of bad moves. 2028 is a long long ways away...

it’s so fulfilling isn't it. I hope the entire league boycotts them this summer, hell I’d even enjoy over paying Monk just to fk them. Not even minimum contract ring chasers will want to go there.

[Ariel]

The trade is already ok as Richardson has proven himself useful and fits better. If there's something of value at twenty-something, it's VERY good. And if the pick swap sees us rise up the board significantly, it's a jackpot. There's no downside, only question is how good in the ok-awesome spectrum the deal lies. Time will tell, but we can wait at ease.

[The Truth #6]

When the Lakers traded away a ton of draft capital to the Pelicans in the Anthony Davis move, they never expected the 2022 pick to be a lottery pick. They assumed it'd be a pick in the late 20s. And that was only in the summer of 2019. Fast forward three years, and the Lakers are royally screwed, though that also has to do with a multitude of bad moves. 2028 is a long long ways away...

This seems to be their new pattern, perhaps. Tamper to get a player, trade away their future, suddenly vault into contention, make dumb moves to keep superstars happy, and then back to being shitty again. Feels like a metaphor for something grander, but I'll keep it to basketball here.

[Gagnrath]

This is exactly the reason I want the Spurs to retain him next season. I don't care wether the plan is to tank out the season or gun for the play-in, but we need these kind of vet presences, not only in the lockerroom but also in practices. Devin and Lonnie could both use the help in the areas Rich is already great at, and he seems to have nice chemistry with the team and been integrated well. He could really help the youngings' development through the off-season and next season too.

Solidly on "keep him at any cost" camp, tbh, which I also wasn't expecting to be when the trade was announced.

I would be a nice guy to keep, not a at any cost guy but definitely valuable. I would be willing to offer a contract roughly equal to 12 mill, add 75k per year is reasonable. I would say 2 year which takes him to 30 with a team option for a 3rd year. That is fair money for the production seen out of him in S.A. and based off of his last contract. At 2 years he will be 30 and hunting his last good contract.

[exstatic]

I would be a nice guy to keep, not a at any cost guy but definitely valuable. I would be willing to offer a contract roughly equal to 12 mill, add 75k per year is reasonable. I would say 2 year which takes him to 30 with a team option for a 3rd year. That is fair money for the production seen out of him in S.A. and based off of his last contract. At 2 years he will be 30 and hunting his last good contract.

His contract isn’t up until summer 2023, at which time he WILL be 30. The question isn’t about a new contract, but flip him for assets or keep him. His value to a contender is sky high right now.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

When the Lakers traded away a ton of draft capital to the Pelicans in the Anthony Davis move, they never expected the 2022 pick to be a lottery pick. They assumed it'd be a pick in the late 20s. And that was only in the summer of 2019. Fast forward three years, and the Lakers are royally screwed, though that also has to do with a multitude of bad moves. 2028 is a long long ways away...

And even though Lebron says he's a forever Laker at this point, I don't see him being satisfied playing for a loser for too long. However, if you're the Lakers you can be the sh!ttiest run franchise in sports and you'll still be able to quickly rebuild because so many people want the LA lifestyle.

That's how you know pro-athletes aren't the greatest money managers. You choose to live in one of the most expensive cities in America and willingly subject yourself to a 12.3% personal state income tax rate on the majority of your earnings.

Not smart. Flashy and glamorous, I suppose, while it lasts though.

[tonight...you]

And even though Lebron says he's a forever Laker at this point, I don't see him being satisfied playing for a loser for too long. However, if you're the Lakers you can be the sh!ttiest run franchise in sports and you'll still be able to quickly rebuild because so many people want the LA lifestyle.

That's how you know pro-athletes aren't the greatest money managers. You choose to live in one of the most expensive cities in America and willingly subject yourself to a 12.3% personal state income tax rate on the majority of your earnings.

Not smart. Flashy and glamorous, I suppose, while it lasts though.
YOLO!!!

[R. DeMurre]

And even though Lebron says he's a forever Laker at this point, I don't see him being satisfied playing for a loser for too long. However, if you're the Lakers you can be the sh!ttiest run franchise in sports and you'll still be able to quickly rebuild because so many people want the LA lifestyle.

That's how you know pro-athletes aren't the greatest money managers. You choose to live in one of the most expensive cities in America and willingly subject yourself to a 12.3% personal state income tax rate on the majority of your earnings.

Not smart. Flashy and glamorous, I suppose, while it lasts though.


Yeah, I don't find L.A. appealing at all and would much rather live in a place like New Orleans, which is one of my favorite American cities. I'm amazed more players don't want to be there, but I suppose that's mostly young guys who think bigger places are more flashy & glamorous, like you said.

[BatManu20]

Lebron back to CLE might have some wheels to it. They’re young but up-and-coming and have solid foundational pieces in Garland and Mobley. Jarrett Allen just made the All-Star team as a reserve. Isaac Okoro and Cedi Osman are solid role players. Kevin Love comes off the books next Summer which will open up a ton of cap space. Makes sense. I agree Lebron won’t wanna stick around if the lakers are dog shit again next season.

[Seventyniner]

And even though Lebron says he's a forever Laker at this point, I don't see him being satisfied playing for a loser for too long. However, if you're the Lakers you can be the sh!ttiest run franchise in sports and you'll still be able to quickly rebuild because so many people want the LA lifestyle.

That's how you know pro-athletes aren't the greatest money managers. You choose to live in one of the most expensive cities in America and willingly subject yourself to a 12.3% personal state income tax rate on the majority of your earnings.

Not smart. Flashy and glamorous, I suppose, while it lasts though.

I bet LeBron is making way more endorsement money with the Lakers than he ever did with the Cavs, or even the Heat. He ain't hurting for money.

[daslicer]

And even though Lebron says he's a forever Laker at this point, I don't see him being satisfied playing for a loser for too long. However, if you're the Lakers you can be the sh!ttiest run franchise in sports and you'll still be able to quickly rebuild because so many people want the LA lifestyle.

That's how you know pro-athletes aren't the greatest money managers. You choose to live in one of the most expensive cities in America and willingly subject yourself to a 12.3% personal state income tax rate on the majority of your earnings.

Not smart. Flashy and glamorous, I suppose, while it lasts though.

These guys make millions the added tax is nothing for them. For a regular person California is tough to live in due to expenses but for a rich person that's not the case.

[Sugus]

I don't know why he wouldn't be back. Dude is a smooth player. He's not an all-star but he can hoop and he's wanted to play for Pop for a long time and he makes us better.

He's better than White by simply taking the open shot without stuttering and having an existential crisis to give the defender time to close. The shots actually going in is a bonus.

Without knowing anything about his contract situation, I'll say the obvious: the Spurs as currently constructed don't really project to be a strong playoff team next season, they're looking like they'd top out at fringe playoff squad unless they go all-tank.

Jrich, who'll be 29 next season and clearly on his prime, might not want to stick around for the rebuild as just a vet presence/floor raiser. I hope he doesn't look at it like that and stays, but it'd be understandable if he spoke with the FO during the off-season about it. To his credit, he's embraced the Spurs' playoff push instead of checking out after getting traded here, so I'll wish him the best whether he stays or goes, tbh.

[spurraider21]

richardson has been as good as we could have hoped for, and could likely net us a pick from a contender next year as well the same way we did with thad young this year. or they could just hang onto him since he's clearly a good player. probably depends quite a bit on what happens with lonnie

[MannyIsGod]

Since the deadline the Spurs are 14-10. They have the sixth best record in the west in that time frame. Honestly that is phenomenal for this team. NOLA has had all the attention since the deadline but they are only .500.

Future is bright for this group.

[spurraider21]

Since the deadline the Spurs are 14-10. They have the sixth best record in the west in that time frame. Honestly that is phenomenal for this team. NOLA has had all the attention since the deadline but they are only .500.

Future is bright for this group.
yep with 3 first round picks coming this year (albeit not great ones)

[Spurs Homer]

Everytime J Rich stroked a 3-

i immediately thought to myself

”that would have 100% been a momentum-killing clank from derrick white right there”

great trade!

[RC_Drunkford]

Thread title should be Derrick White trade is looking better and better tbh

[Atl Spur]

His contract isn’t up until summer 2023, at which time he WILL be 30. The question isn’t about a new contract, but flip him for assets or keep him. His value to a contender is sky high right now.

Flip him and play Langford.

[B1gduff]

Call me crazy, But I would not mind keeping JR here for a long time. We're starting to turn thr corner in our development and the future looks bright (I know....I know.....I'm on something right?) but here me out, DJ is an All-star and has improved throughout the season, he is a 2nd option on any team. I know, I know, second option.....booo, but Keldon is starting to be that 3rd option on a playoff team, that shown the ablity to be another second option since the White trade. He's giving us 20 with good efficiency since the trade, he playing right right at or just under the All-star level! Not I fully beleieve theat these guys are going to improve next season, and help the team. Now add Vassell,if he takes that next step next year, Which the numbers and his plays tells me, we could have the next big 3! Now the biggest thing we need to do is improve that defense of ours! last time I checked, we're bottom 10 with a top 10 offense, not if we improve and bring it up to top 15, with JR, Jones, an improved Primo, we could be a 5/6 spot playoff team.

[widowmaker]

Jrich needs to stay. He wants to play here.

[widowmaker]

Flip him and play Langford.


This dude is not even a Spurs fan. He’s been exposed before.

[DAF86]

Call me crazy, But I would not mind keeping JR here for a long time. We're starting to turn thr corner in our development and the future looks bright (I know....I know.....I'm on something right?) but here me out, DJ is an All-star and has improved throughout the season, he is a 2nd option on any team. I know, I know, second option.....booo, but Keldon is starting to be that 3rd option on a playoff team, that shown the ablity to be another second option since the White trade. He's giving us 20 with good efficiency since the trade, he playing right right at or just under the All-star level! Not I fully beleieve theat these guys are going to improve next season, and help the team. Now add Vassell,if he takes that next step next year, Which the numbers and his plays tells me, we could have the next big 3! Now the biggest thing we need to do is improve that defense of ours! last time I checked, we're bottom 10 with a top 10 offense, not if we improve and bring it up to top 15, with JR, Jones, an improved Primo, we could be a 5/6 spot playoff team.

We need that long awaited 4 on the lineup. If we get a 3 and D role playing 4, we instantly become an above 500 club. If we get a fringe all-star 4, we could fight for a top 4 finish in the West. If we get a superstar 4, we could start thinking about contention.

Murray
Vassell
Keldon

Jakob

There's an open spot there.

[cjw]

And even though Lebron says he's a forever Laker at this point, I don't see him being satisfied playing for a loser for too long. However, if you're the Lakers you can be the sh!ttiest run franchise in sports and you'll still be able to quickly rebuild because so many people want the LA lifestyle.

That's how you know pro-athletes aren't the greatest money managers. You choose to live in one of the most expensive cities in America and willingly subject yourself to a 12.3% personal state income tax rate on the majority of your earnings.

Not smart. Flashy and glamorous, I suppose, while it lasts though.

Many people choose to live in a high tax state because life is about more than stuffing as much money as possible under the mattress. Especially people making eight figures per year.

But agree with your premise they can be perpetually mismanaged as an organization and still have a shot because of the allure of living in LA.

[Chinook]

We need that long awaited 4 on the lineup. If we get a 3 and D role playing 4, we instantly become an above 500 club. If we get a fringe all-star 4, we could fight for a top 4 finish in the West. If we get a superstar 4, we could start thinking about contention.

Murray
Vassell
Keldon

Jakob

There's an open spot there.

Who are you thinking would be a missing piece. Most All-Star forwards are offense-first guys like Durant (superstar) or Randle (fringe). It seems easier to get a scoring four and another defensive forward. That's why it's not a huge deal to me if the Spurs pick later and end up with a guy like Tari Eason. He can be that defensive forward, but he's likely not going to be an All-Star two-way guy.

[DAF86]

Who are you thinking would be a missing piece. Most All-Star forwards are offense-first guys like Durant (superstar) or Randle (fringe). It seems easier to get a scoring four and another defensive forward. That's why it's not a huge deal to me if the Spurs pick later and end up with a guy like Tari Eason. He can be that defensive forward, but he's likely not going to be an All-Star two-way guy.

It doesn't necessarily have to be a defensive minded guy. If the pipe dream of signing Durant were possible, the team would instantly become a top 5 team in the league. Any true 4 with some skill would improve this team enormously.

[couchman]

J Rich keeps looking good! The thing I like most about him is he is fearless on the offensive end. I think that will rub off on guys like Vassell and Keldon.

[MannyIsGod]

My dream signing this summer may no longer be Lavine but rather Bridges. But honestly I'd be thrilled with either.

[onechance87]

richardson has been as good as we could have hoped for, and could likely net us a pick from a contender next year as well the same way we did with thad young this year. or they could just hang onto him since he's clearly a good player. probably depends quite a bit on what happens with lonnie

We need to keep jrich.....Lonnie is just to inconsistent....If they gotta pay one....Its gotta be jrich....Hes older but hes what we need and fits well...cant say the
same about lonnie

[RC_Drunkford]

My dream signing this summer may no longer be Lavine but rather Bridges. But honestly I'd be thrilled with either.

Miles Bridges at the 4 and this team will be a playoff team for sure next season. I'd love that

[poopbox]

If the hawks don't make the playoffs or go home in the 1st round I wonder would they still do a Collins trade? McDermott + Lonnie in a sign and trade + one of the raptors or celtics picks for Collins. Not sure they would actually get a better offer for him.

[NickiRasgo]

J Rich quite at home here and actually wants to be part of the team. Not to being biased but he's quite looked lost when he was with Sixers, Mavs and Celtics. Hopefully he'll stay here with the right price and hopefully he's not playing well because it's contract year. lol

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

J Rich quite at home here and actually wants to be part of the team. Not to being biased but he's quite looked lost when he was with Sixers, Mavs and Celtics. Hopefully he'll stay here with the right price and hopefully he's not playing well because it's contract year. lol

It's not a contract year - he's signed for next season, so he's staying unless wheeler dealer Wright trades him. He was also very good for Boston, he wasn't lost there at all. Played the same role he now has with the Spurs, shooting 40% from 3 and good D.

[Dejounte]

JRich’s swag is a fresh breath of air after going through seasons of nonchalantness from White. It elevates the team’s competitiveness

[RC_Drunkford]

If the hawks don't make the playoffs or go home in the 1st round I wonder would they still do a Collins trade? McDermott + Lonnie in a sign and trade + one of the raptors or celtics picks for Collins. Not sure they would actually get a better offer for him.

I'd be all for it

[exstatic]

I'd be all for it

In a vacuum, I like JC, but we don’t live in a vacuum. I was a huge proponent in the past, but the fact is, he’s a fucking China Doll.

[RC_Drunkford]

In a vacuum, I like JC, but we don’t live in a vacuum. I was a huge proponent in the past, but the fact is, he’s a fucking China Doll.

it doesn't have to be him per se, but somebody of his caliber. Miles Bridges would be a nice option. Jerami Grant would be a nice fit too, but he will ask for a huge contract in 2023. Jalen Smith also, although I see him more as a bench piece than a starter

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Many people choose to live in a high tax state because life is about more than stuffing as much money as possible under the mattress. Especially people making eight figures per year.

But agree with your premise they can be perpetually mismanaged as an organization and still have a shot because of the allure of living in LA.

I think you can carve out a pretty nice life being a resident of a non-tax state, too. Take the $12.3MM in taxes you'd pay on $100 million in income in California, play for the Heat, live in Miami and buy a little $12MM Florida coastal mansion with that tax savings.

I get it though. When you're young, especially, the LA lifestyle has a great appeal. It's probably worth paying triple for your home, and netting less than half your paycheck due to taxes.

[Mr. Body]

I think you can carve out a pretty nice life being a resident of a non-tax state, too. Take the $12.3MM in taxes you'd pay on $100 million in income in California, play for the Heat, live in Miami and buy a little $12MM Florida coastal mansion with that tax savings.

I get it though. When you're young, especially, the LA lifestyle has a great appeal. It's probably worth paying triple for your home, and netting less than half your paycheck due to taxes.

You always pay for it somehow and those non tax states have enormous property taxes and fees elsewhere.

[DAF86]

Miles Bridges at the 4 and this team will be a playoff team for sure next season. I'd love that

Not a fan. I would prefer someone bigger and better 3pt shooter.

[The Truth #6]

You always pay for it somehow and those non tax states have enormous property taxes and fees elsewhere.

This isn't directed at Mr. Body, but I wonder how much players think about state income tax. I mean, most players make horrible decisions with the money they already have.

[Dverde]

I’ve yet to see The Spurs show any interest in John Collins. They could have pursued him twice in the last year or so and didn’t. I think this love affair with him is all Spurstalk fan fiction

[Chinook]

I’ve yet to see The Spurs show any interest in John Collins. They could have pursued him twice in the last year or so and didn’t. I think this love affair with him is all Spurstalk fan fiction

I like John Colins a lot less as a trade target than as a free agent, but I still think he checks a lot of boxes. He's a good player signed to a fair contract at a position of need. It's not hard to understand why he'd be coveted. But he's always been one of a few options on some of the many paths the Spurs can go down for me. I don't like that they signed McD and Zach over making an offer to John. I think they might've been a legit playoff team rather than a play-in team with him, and it would have made getting three impact players by the end of the 2022 off-season much more likely. But if they sign a guy like Lavine or Sexton and then trade for or draft their new starting PF, that can also work. There are a number of PFs I like in the draft, including a guy like Baldwin who might end up being a steal in the teens. For the right deal, I'd still want the Spurs to go for John, but I'm also okay with how it's shaken out so far.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

You always pay for it somehow and those non tax states have enormous property taxes and fees elsewhere.

I think I just hate California in general perhaps.

The bureaucracy of their state government is awful. LA in particular is dirty, crowded and expensive. Plus it's the home to the fvcking Lakers. So I'm just bitter. :lol

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

This isn't directed at Mr. Body, but I wonder how much players think about state income tax. I mean, most players make horrible decisions with the money they already have.

According to the folks in here, they don't.

My guess would be there are a few "practical" ones out there who are at least aware of state impacts. If I was an agent for any of these guys I'd at least give them the low-down on what their net checks will be depending on where they live.

But this may be a case where the SpursTalkers are correct. Maybe it's not a big deal if you're a 25 year old making millions. You're immortal at that point in your life.

[MannyIsGod]

I think you can carve out a pretty nice life being a resident of a non-tax state, too. Take the $12.3MM in taxes you'd pay on $100 million in income in California, play for the Heat, live in Miami and buy a little $12MM Florida coastal mansion with that tax savings.

I get it though. When you're young, especially, the LA lifestyle has a great appeal. It's probably worth paying triple for your home, and netting less than half your paycheck due to taxes.

Fuck living in Texas or Florida. I'll gladly pay more not to live in those places. And like others said, the property tax different easily makes up for it.

[TD 21]

I’ve yet to see The Spurs show any interest in John Collins. They could have pursued him twice in the last year or so and didn’t. I think this love affair with him is all Spurstalk fan fiction

He just seems like the best attainable fit without moving a core piece, but he's clearly not the type of four they'd (or most teams) would prefer. They want the big wing type skillset, but good luck finding it.

Trading up to 5 for Murray is the lone possibility I see, but to have a chance, that probably requires something like re-visiting the Hornets offer of Washington and Jones for Poeltl, getting them to swap their 1st for either the Raptors or Celtics 1st, then taking whichever of those is left over and adding it Washington and the Spurs 1st.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Fuck living in Texas or Florida. I'll gladly pay more not to live in those places. And like others said, the property tax different easily makes up for it.

Most of California is a sh!thole as well. The property tax benefit in CA doesn't bridge the gap for the wealthy. But, in general, yes, point made.

[timtonymanu]

JRich’s swag is a fresh breath of air after going through seasons of nonchalantness from White. It elevates the team’s competitiveness

He gives me Stephen Jackson vibes minus the toxic attitude that follows Jack.

[KingKev]

He gives me Stephen Jackson vibes minus the toxic attitude that follows Jack.

He is not Stack5. Stephen Jackson when fully engaged was a killer. JRich is solid but he is not built like that.

[poopbox]

I’ve yet to see The Spurs show any interest in John Collins. They could have pursued him twice in the last year or so and didn’t. I think this love affair with him is all Spurstalk fan fiction

I mean what do you expect them to do, get on TV and flick the bean for John Collins?

We don't know that they didn't try to pursue him. Just like we never heard one peep about Derrick White, our second best player, being available for trade. But now not only do we know that he was available, we also know that there had to be a lot of teams interested, since it cost the celtics a young player, a rotational player, and 2 first round picks. You not giving all that up for one player unless you have to, unless you got lots of people competing for him. If we were to get our hands on Bryan Wrights office phone records I would be SHOCKED if we don't have multiple calls back and forth with the Atlanta Hawks.

[poopbox]

I like John Colins a lot less as a trade target than as a free agent, but I still think he checks a lot of boxes. He's a good player signed to a fair contract at a position of need. It's not hard to understand why he'd be coveted. But he's always been one of a few options on some of the many paths the Spurs can go down for me. I don't like that they signed McD and Zach over making an offer to John. I think they might've been a legit playoff team rather than a play-in team with him, and it would have made getting three impact players by the end of the 2022 off-season much more likely. But if they sign a guy like Lavine or Sexton and then trade for or draft their new starting PF, that can also work. There are a number of PFs I like in the draft, including a guy like Baldwin who might end up being a steal in the teens. For the right deal, I'd still want the Spurs to go for John, but I'm also okay with how it's shaken out so far.


I'm not on bored with a Lavine or Sexton cause I think Devin has a jump or two to take. Just no to Sexton in general cause I don't really understand what function he serves on this team and no to Lavine cause I don't think we need an all offense no defense guard who is going to do what exactly, take us from the 8th best offense to the 5th?

And as much as I love John Collins in a trade I am still only really open to giving up things that won't effect us going forward. It's clear we need to move Doug as we absolutely played our best ball without him and he creates more basketball problems, defense, than basketball answers, spacing. I am just out on Lonnie he is to inconsistent. That is what Richardson really opened my eyes to when he got here, where now we watching an actual nba veteran guard make the right play 90% of the time he is on the court vs watching a guy with all the talent in the world might not even make a single play that matters in 15 minutes. I will happily take J Rich correctly shooting, driving, and passing, 8.5 out of 10 times than that one Lonnie highlight dunk or layup or game cause it's going to be a lot of inconsistency between those two. We got 3 1st round picks in this year's draft and I would be happen to move one of the two if not both of the ones that aren't hours, since we will have won coming from the bulls and celtics in the future.

[Mr. Body]

This isn't directed at Mr. Body, but I wonder how much players think about state income tax. I mean, most players make horrible decisions with the money they already have.

It's also more complicated than this. Players have to do taxes according to where their games are held. So they have 41 games that are potentially not in their home states, so have 41 tax codes to adjust for.

[KingKev]

I'm not on bored with a Lavine or Sexton cause I think Devin has a jump or two to take. Just no to Sexton in general cause I don't really understand what function he serves on this team and no to Lavine cause I don't think we need an all offense no defense guard who is going to do what exactly, take us from the 8th best offense to the 5th?

And as much as I love John Collins in a trade I am still only really open to giving up things that won't effect us going forward. It's clear we need to move Doug as we absolutely played our best ball without him and he creates more basketball problems, defense, than basketball answers, spacing. I am just out on Lonnie he is to inconsistent. That is what Richardson really opened my eyes to when he got here, where now we watching an actual nba veteran guard make the right play 90% of the time he is on the court vs watching a guy with all the talent in the world might not even make a single play that matters in 15 minutes. I will happily take J Rich correctly shooting, driving, and passing, 8.5 out of 10 times than that one Lonnie highlight dunk or layup or game cause it's going to be a lot of inconsistency between those two. We got 3 1st round picks in this year's draft and I would be happen to move one of the two if not both of the ones that aren't hours, since we will have won coming from the bulls and celtics in the future.

We have 0 chance at Lavine but be has been decent on D this year. He is also arguably a top 20 player and exactly what we need and would push us to a potential top 4 seed considering out other assets this offseason so I can’t agree with this take.

[Ariel]

We have 0 chance at Lavine but be has been decent on D this year. He is also arguably a top 20 player and exactly what we need and would push us to a potential top 4 seed considering our other assets this offseason so I can’t agree with this take.
Signing Lavine to a max or near max contract with his injury history is playing Russian roulette. Gambling your future into one such player can derail your franchise (see Grant Hill @ Orlando)
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/203897

[KingKev]

Signing Lavine to a max or near max contract with his injury history is playing Russian roulette. Gambling your future into one such player can derail your franchise (see Grant Hill @ Orlando)
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/203897

What am I missing here? He tore is ACL like two years before Dejounte Murray did. He is getting the max regardless and maybe the super max if he makes an all-nba team.

[Ariel]

What am I missing here? He tore is ACL like two years before Dejounte Murray did. He is getting the max regardless and maybe the super max if he makes an all-nba team.
He's a guy who has routinely missed a bunch of games every season who's already had ACL surgery... granted he's young, but it's a risky move and not likely to age well IMO.

[KingKev]

I’m blown away ppl wouldn’t consider Lavine. He isn’t even a small chance but he is the best UFA in this class depending on what Kyrie/Harden/Beal choose.

[KingKev]

He's a guy who has routinely missed a bunch of games every season who's already had ACL surgery... granted he's young, but it's a risky move and not likely to age well IMO.

There is no risk with Lavine, if there is and you have a chance you live with it.

[paperboy77]

Is anyone really surprised White is making a great impact on the Celtics? He's helped them continue their run and the just doesn't contribute to losing. Perfect role player on a pretty good team or better. Unfortunately the move had to be made and I'm glad for DW. Hope he rings some day.

[boutons_deux]

Most of California is a sh!thole as well. The property tax benefit in CA doesn't bridge the gap for the wealthy. But, in general, yes, point made.


He is not Stack5. Stephen Jackson when fully engaged was a killer. JRich is solid but he is not built like that.

Sjax was a mediocre 3-point shooter, JRich is shooting over 40%

[The Truth #6]

It's also more complicated than this. Players have to do taxes according to where their games are held. So they have 41 games that are potentially not in their home states, so have 41 tax codes to adjust for.

That’s not what I mean. I assume they aren’t doing Turbo Tax themselves. I meant, I don’t think players pick a team based on taxes because SA would have had way more free agents by now if avoiding state income tax was a priority.

[KingKev]

White shooting 25% from 3 in the playoffs.

Is Keldon the next White? Looks promising on a very bad team, becomes a marginalized role player on a good team?

[Trueblood]

Fuck living in Texas or Florida. I'll gladly pay more not to live in those places. And like others said, the property tax different easily makes up for it.

Now if only we could convince all Californian's to think like this guy we wouldn't have them flooding into our state. Touting a budget surplus while they have a second straight year of population decline :lol

They've created a sinking ship and now their trying to do the same in other places. No thanks. They can sit in the mess they've made.

[couchman]

White has been great in the playoffs so far.
His defense has been as good as ever. According to RAPTOR he is the 2nd highest rated guard on defense in the playoffs so far.
Despite his shooting he has been a plus on offense as well. If you watch Celtics games he does a great job of moving the ball and driving and kicking to open people and generally making the right plays.

I think both teams ended up doing well in the trade.
White is an elite role player for a team w championship aspirations but not a good fit for the Spurs roster that lacks enough star power.

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Now if only we could convince all Californian's to think like this guy we wouldn't have them flooding into our state. Touting a budget surplus while they have a second straight year of population decline :lol

They've created a sinking ship and now their trying to do the same in other places. No thanks. They can sit in the mess they've made.

Dude. You're off by so much as to not even be talking sensically. CA just had ~100B budget surplus while taking care of 40 million+ people far better than Texas ever dreamed of doing, we're it so inclined to actually dream of caring about people. Exodus? They lost 350,000 people. Why? Because it's crazy expensive because of that simple economic principle of supply and demand. People want to.live there desperately but it's too expensive. Meanwhile Texas is amongst the worst states in healthcare, poverty, etc, and is THE WORST in the country on maternal mortality. Having a baby here is almost as likely to kill you as having one in Pakistan, lol. But go ahead with your ignorant bravado and when we add 11 million more people, we'll have the same problems as CA still without even trying to give a fuck about the poor, homeless, POC, women, LGBTQ folks, etc. Spare me your ignorant BS. If you had any fucking clue, you'd also want to live in CA because it's simply a better state, almost across the board as Texas.

And before you start spouting off about what you think.must be CA's ridiculous tax rates leading to their budget surpluses, know that 3 former CA residents (allcrazy conservative) told me the taxes are about the same, maybe higher here with the property taxes more than making up for their state income taxes.

I'm simply fed up with ignorance and the regurgitation of said ignorance simply because Fox News told you so. Wake the fuck up.

[tmtcsc]

Dude. You're off by so much as to not even be talking sensically. CA just had ~100B budget surplus while taking care of 40 million+ people far better than Texas ever dreamed of doing, we're it so inclined to actually dream of caring about people. Exodus? They lost 350,000 people. Why? Because it's crazy expensive because of that simple economic principle of supply and demand. People want to.live there desperately but it's too expensive. Meanwhile Texas is amongst the worst states in healthcare, poverty, etc, and is THE WORST in the country on maternal mortality. Having a baby here is almost as likely to kill you as having one in Pakistan, lol. But go ahead with your ignorant bravado and when we add 11 million more people, we'll have the same problems as CA still without even trying to give a fuck about the poor, homeless, POC, women, LGBTQ folks, etc. Spare me your ignorant BS. If you had any fucking clue, you'd also want to live in CA because it's simply a better state, almost across the board as Texas.

And before you start spouting off about what you think.must be CA's ridiculous tax rates leading to their budget surpluses, know that 3 former CA residents (allcrazy conservative) told me the taxes are about the same, maybe higher here with the property taxes more than making up for their state income taxes.

I'm simply fed up with ignorance and the regurgitation of said ignorance simply because Fox News told you so. Wake the fuck up.

That's a cheery description but not very accurate. Yes, there's a surplus but that's because wealthy people are carrying the tax burden. There's a huge divide in California between the "Haves and the Have nots". Overall, the cost of buying a home, paying for gas, groceries, utilities & taxes is just too much. Homelessness is sadly rampant & its a problem not being addressed properly. Texas is experiencing some of those same issues in Austin. California is beautiful and has a lot to offer with its natural attractions (beach, skiing, climate, etc.) but many people are just being squeezed out and unable to afford it. Better state than Texas? Not to live, not in my opinion. Fun to visit though.

[daslicer]

That's a cheery description but not very accurate. Yes, there's a surplus but that's because wealthy people are carrying the tax burden. There's a huge divide in California between the "Haves and the Have nots". Overall, the cost of buying a home, paying for gas, groceries, utilities & taxes is just too much. Homelessness is sadly rampant & its a problem not being addressed properly. Texas is experiencing some of those same issues in Austin. California is beautiful and has a lot to offer with its natural attractions (beach, skiing, climate, etc.) but many people are just being squeezed out and unable to afford it. Better state than Texas? Not to live, not in my opinion. Fun to visit though.

I lived in Boston until I was 11 years old and then moved down to Raleigh, NC and then after college moved to Charlotte and have lived there since then. My mom's family lives in Southern California about an hour outside of LA. So I have a good idea of how expensive things are all over the country. One thing I will tell you is that the South's biggest advantage over California the last 30 years has been the cost of living but that advantage is now starting to erode away. If it wasn't for cost of living California would whoop the South's ass easily. I have been to California too many times in my life and nothing in the South compares to it from a cultural, geographic perspective.

Cost of living is skyrocketing here in NC and all over the South. I bought a town house about close to 2 years ago during the summertime and it's value has now increased by nearly 200K in just two years. If I had waited 2 more years, I would have been priced out of ever buying a home. By also buying a home I actually saved on rent money since my mortage is lower than the rent I would be paying for an apartment in Charlotte since rents have gone up by a lot. My point is now the South has reached a tipping point where it's not cheap where it's affordable for anyone like it used to be. Back when I graduated college in '06 you could live by yourself and rent an apartment for 600-700 dollars per a month but now you are looking at 1800-2000 a month in a lot of areas. Low cost of living was the biggest advantage the South had in getting talented young people to stay and not leave to places like LA, NYC.

I can't see a young professional wanting to live in a place that is expensive and also culturally backwards. The south as a whole is trash. Even my state NC isn't great but it's still better than the rest of south in the sense it's not nearly as backwards as the rest of the south due to all the Northern transplants that have moved down here the last 30 which has made it politically a purple state. Even with the cultural changes here in NC it still can't hold a candle stick to California when it comes to culture, entertainment, and beauty.

My prediction in 8 years by 2030 the South will have fully caught up to California when it comes to housing costs and being unaffordable. This will in return cause the South to lose talented young professionals because like I said why would you live in an expensive backwards place when you can live in a place equally as expensive but is culturally better and has better amenities along with great entertainment. Unless we experience a housing crash that results in the pricing of housing dropping significantly I don't see my prediction changing.

offset formation was right about what he said.

[Chinook]

A bunch of young professionals are backward AF. Texas is finding a way to become even more conservative despite the demographics, because conservatives know they have a place to go where the government caters to their beliefs.

[Mr. Body]

Pretty much the entire country is becoming too expensive for most people. Housing is out of control. Both parties are working hard to keep wages down so there will be no relief even for grocery bills. And then we have the insane GOP on their forced births kick -- and will soon go after birth control -- so we'll have millions of unwanted kids grow into maladjusted adults meaning housing will get even worse.

[CGD]

White shooting 25% from 3 in the playoffs.

Is Keldon the next White? Looks promising on a very bad team, becomes a marginalized role player on a good team?

We may be watching different series. White has been excellent for Boston in recent games including during a crucial stretch yesterday in Game 6 right before the half. In fairness he was bad in the Nets series.

Frankly he, Kyle, and Bert have been important cogs on their respective teams this round. I absolutely can see Keldon and Yak doing the same on different teams.

[offset formation]

That's a cheery description but not very accurate. Yes, there's a surplus but that's because wealthy people are carrying the tax burden. There's a huge divide in California between the "Haves and the Have nots". Overall, the cost of buying a home, paying for gas, groceries, utilities & taxes is just too much. Homelessness is sadly rampant & its a problem not being addressed properly. Texas is experiencing some of those same issues in Austin. California is beautiful and has a lot to offer with its natural attractions (beach, skiing, climate, etc.) but many people are just being squeezed out and unable to afford it. Better state than Texas? Not to live, not in my opinion. Fun to visit though.

Does Texas not have these have and have nots? You just overlooked my post because you disagreed with me. I just stated CA indeed has problems but in comparison to TX, given they have 11 million more people, they're not only doing a better job in every category I mentioned (plus many other metrices) they just had a $100B surplus. Texas dreams of surpluses in the single digits.

Texas is also as authoritarian, or way worse, as you conservative folks love to say about CA. Banning books. School boards removing books that were ok for last 75 years, abortion bans when broadly supported by Texans, CRT nonsense, Jade Helm (LMAO), etc, etc, etc.

So you can fantasize about Texas being a magical eden where we have none of the problems CA does, but you'd both be wrong and miss the fact they have 11M more ppl in much more urban environment which is going to come with problems whether you approve or not. And again, TX ranks worse in practically every metric even with 11M fewer residents. And btw, rich ppl in CA should have a larger tax burden. That's how our socialist neighbors in Canada and Europe provide healthcare that doesn't bankrupt ppl and force them under bridges. And FTR, every metric of health and happiness ess not only puts CA OVER TX, but in those higher tax countries in Europe and Canada.

[daslicer]

A bunch of young professionals are backward AF. Texas is finding a way to become even more conservative despite the demographics, because conservatives know they have a place to go where the government caters to their beliefs.

My best friend from Hschool who now lives in Dallas tells me all the time how backwards the young professionals he deals with at work are. So I definitely believe you.

I will say this Texas and a lot of these Southern states have been able to steal young professionals from other states due to the low cost of living in the past. I have seen it here in NC and deal with a lot of professional career people who moved down here from NY, LA, etc and it was all due to affordability or else they wouldn't be here.

[CGD]

Pretty much the entire country is becoming too expensive for most people. Housing is out of control. Both parties are working hard to keep wages down so there will be no relief even for grocery bills. And then we have the insane GOP on their forced births kick -- and will soon go after birth control -- so we'll have millions of unwanted kids grow into maladjusted adults meaning housing will get even worse.

Housing is a huge driver for sure. Demand is a naturally part of the equation, but so is lagging supply. One overlooked factors is that we lost a generation of electricians, plumbers, and others folks in the housing trades typically requiring licensing or that are heavily regulated (for good reason) during the Great Recession. Our immigration policies dont help, nor does stupid social stigma about being in one of these trades. Combined and Builders just can’t keep up.

[CGD]

A bunch of young professionals are backward AF. Texas is finding a way to become even more conservative despite the demographics, because conservatives know they have a place to go where the government caters to their beliefs.

I mean, this depends on your assumptions about “the demographics.” Latinos (40% of state population) are historic ballot splitters, and Austin hasn't amassed that many out of state “progressives” to balance out the rest of the state.

An underrated thing in Texas is how hard the state makes it to vote, and to register voters. That’s by design.

[CGD]

My best friend from Hschool who now lives in Dallas tells me all the time how backwards the young professionals he deals with at work are. So I definitely believe you.

I will say this Texas and a lot of these Southern states have been able to steal young professionals from other states due to the low cost of living in the past. I have seen it here in NC and deal with a lot of professional career people who moved down here from NY, LA, etc and it was all due to affordability or else they wouldn't be here.

Maybe, but you should give NC more credit. As someone with ties to Raleigh id say you’re ignoring the powerhouse research triangle in that area. The region has LONG been a hub for top engineers. And, after NYC and Atlanta, Charlotte has long been a big draw for folks in the banking sector with BoA and Wells having strong footholds there.

[dbestpro]

Derrick White says hello.

[daslicer]

Maybe, but you should give NC more credit. As someone with ties to Raleigh id say you’re ignoring the powerhouse research triangle in that area. The region has LONG been a hub for top engineers. And, after NYC and Atlanta, Charlotte has long been a big draw for folks in the banking sector with BoA and Wells having strong footholds there.

I grew up in Raleigh so yes, I know the Research Triangle very well. My parents still live there. I know Raleigh like the back of my hand and I agree with you it's definitely a top hub for tech after the Bay Area, Boston, Seattle. Ultimately why people move down here is the affordability. That's why my parents moved down here way back in '95 when I was 11 years old. They saw they could get a bigger house down here then they could up in Boston. Affordability first and then career opportunities has always been the reason why people moved down here to NC in general. I know this because I have always asked people why they have moved down here in the first place out of curiosity.

I have also heard transplants tell me NC is boring compared to their former places they moved from and that if they could have afforded to still live in LA, Bay Area, NYC they would have. I'm objective about my home state. It's not bad but neither is it great.

[Teamduncan21]

Out of curiosity from a non American.
There are many news report of looting from shops, trains, stealing things inside cars. Which usually is in California.

Is this rampant? Or news just exaggerated it? Because it seems California is safer than Texas based on above statements. So is it worse in other states? Or it's not as bad as it looks in California?

[offset formation]

Out of curiosity from a non American.
There are many news report of looting from shops, trains, stealing things inside cars. Which usually is in California.

Is this rampant? Or news just exaggerated it? Because it seems California is safer than Texas based on above statements. So is it worse in other states? Or it's not as bad as it looks in California?

California has higher violent crime rate (~5%) but lower homocide rate (~4% lower). Texas has higher property crime rate.

Texas has the highest incarceration rate in the developed world. 50% higher than CA per capita. Spends 30% less on education per student. Spends 40% less on Healthcare per resident. Texas has the highest infant mortality and maternal mortality rate in the US.

CA just had a $100B budget surplus. CA is a superior state. And I'm a native Texan.

[offset formation]

Derrick White says hello.

Love me some DWhite, but sometimes facts need to replace BS. BS was being spread. I corrected it.

[talkspurs]

California has higher violent crime rate (~5%) but lower homocide rate (~4% lower). Texas has higher property crime rate.

Texas has the highest incarceration rate in the developed world. 50% higher than CA per capita. Spends 30% less on education per student. Spends 40% less on Healthcare per resident. Texas has the highest infant mortality and maternal mortality rate in the US.

CA just had a $100B budget surplus. CA is a superior state. And I'm a native Texan.

Your facts are so off on that and I would say you probably made most of them up. post where your getting these stats because they are not real.

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Your facts are so off on that and I would say you probably made most of them up. post where your getting these stats because they are not real.

Read them and weep, Nancy. Cry more you snowflake.

I'll be accepting your full apology tonight:

https://siepr.stanford.edu/publications/policy-brief/tale-two-states-contrasting-economic-policy-california-and-texas#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Federal%20Bur eau,2%2C331.2%20per%20100%2C000%20in%20California.

I repeat, conservatives such as yourself are a brainwashed, brain dead, ongoing and gathering threat to humanity because you're oblivious to readily verifiable facts.

[daslicer]

Out of curiosity from a non American.
There are many news report of looting from shops, trains, stealing things inside cars. Which usually is in California.

Is this rampant? Or news just exaggerated it? Because it seems California is safer than Texas based on above statements. So is it worse in other states? Or it's not as bad as it looks in California?

I would say in general big cities all over the US tend to have higher crime rates due to their large populations than the smaller cities regardless of states. The only big city that I think where the crime rate is ridiculously bad is Chicago but I think in the next 10 years it will get cleaned up much like NYC did during the 90's.

[Em-City]

Read them and weep, Nancy. Cry more you snowflake.

I'll be accepting your full apology tonight:

https://siepr.stanford.edu/publications/policy-brief/tale-two-states-contrasting-economic-policy-california-and-texas#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Federal%20Bur eau,2%2C331.2%20per%20100%2C000%20in%20California.

I repeat, conservatives such as yourself are a brainwashed, brain dead, ongoing and gathering threat to humanity because you're oblivious to readily verifiable facts.
Wow the US is so fucked up

[offset formation]

Anyone remember that time talkspurs called me out for making up statistics then, when proof of those statistics was posted, that same priceless coward failed to acknowledge how wrong he was, because it shattered his worldview as fed to him by right wing media?

Good times. I repeat, conservative ideology is a growing threat to humanity. Look no further than the El Paso and Buffalo shootings where rich white conservative fuck-ups bought weapons and massacred people in the name of such wonderful ideas as White Replacement Theory peddled in right wing media. Dangerous times are coming because facts no longer have meaning, or worse yet, value.

[R. DeMurre]

The White replacement theory for the Spurs was Primo, but it might not turn out to be so primo.

Ah, the threads are united.

[R. DeMurre]

Anyone remember that time talkspurs (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=52050) called me out for making up statistics then, when proof of those statistics was posted, that same priceless coward failed to acknowledge how wrong he was, because it shattered his worldview as fed to him by right wing media?

Good times. I repeat, conservative ideology is a growing threat to humanity. Look no further than the El Paso and Buffalo shootings where rich white conservative fuck-ups bought weapons and massacred people in the name of such wonderful ideas as White Replacement Theory peddled in right wing media. Dangerous times are coming because facts no longer have meaning, or worse yet, value.


Plus it's just embarrassing how right-wingers don't see how clearly their culture war views just so happen to line up with the people that they themselves claim to hate... anti gay marriage, anti choice, want religious fundamentals to play a major part in governance, are misty eyed about the Confederate flag glory days? Check, check, check, check. Republicans are the American Taliban now, but somehow refashion that as a hybrid of Captain America and Jesus in a cape & mask and call it super heroism.

[offset formation]

The White replacement theory for the Spurs was Primo, but it might not turn out to be so primo.

Ah, the threads are united.

Now if Primo can only turn out to be Danny Green, then the threads will be united.

[SpurSpike]

Plus it's just embarrassing how right-wingers don't see how clearly their culture war views just so happen to line up with the people that they themselves claim to hate... anti gay marriage, anti choice, want religious fundamentals to play a major part in governance, are misty eyed about the Confederate flag glory days? Check, check, check, check. Republicans are the American Taliban now, but somehow refashion that as a hybrid of Captain America and Jesus in a cape & mask and call it super heroism.

Wow, what a warped viewpoint.... The leftist propaganda got your brain looking silky smooth eh?

This is a basketball forum you basket cases!

[talkspurs]

Read them and weep, Nancy. Cry more you snowflake.

I'll be accepting your full apology tonight:

https://siepr.stanford.edu/publications/policy-brief/tale-two-states-contrasting-economic-policy-california-and-texas#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Federal%20Bur eau,2%2C331.2%20per%20100%2C000%20in%20California.

I repeat, conservatives such as yourself are a brainwashed, brain dead, ongoing and gathering threat to humanity because you're oblivious to readily verifiable facts.

The difference in homicide rate is realitively small and your looking at one year.
Incarceration rate. Thats because we actually like to put people that commit crimes away instead of letting them go free. Why do you think yall have all those smash and grabs. yes they dont go to jail which makes that number look better but you crime rate is higher.
Yall have a higher violent crimes rate (which you admit) but it effects a lot more people. it effects about 100 times more people then the homicide rate. ≈4.6 for homicides to ≈430 per 100k. homicides dont effect you to much but you are more likely to be hit by violent crime.

We may spend less on education but per your own article our results are better. "And while K-12 spending per student is much higher in California, student outcomes are if anything better in Texas." Give me the better results over spending more.

Healthcare yall may spend more but wait times are worse. Also most of yalls spending is actually federal speding that is past through to the state so it really is not state spending.

wait times Texas admitted 98 discharged 133. cali 150 and 160. Once again give me the better results. https://www.autoinsurance.org/longest-emergency-room-waits/

Your mortality rate is off as well. Texas does not have the highest mortality rate. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/infant_mortality_rates/infant_mortality.htm

Realize that your stats were taken from a Stanford article which is a cali university so they would want to make it look as good as possible. And saying calie is better is so off. It was better people would not be moving. I do wish most of them would stay out there though and stop trying to bring their failed polices here.

As far as education. Maybe yall spend more

[talkspurs]

Anyone remember that time talkspurs (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=52050) called me out for making up statistics then, when proof of those statistics was posted, that same priceless coward failed to acknowledge how wrong he was, because it shattered his worldview as fed to him by right wing media?

Good times. I repeat, conservative ideology is a growing threat to humanity. Look no further than the El Paso and Buffalo shootings where rich white conservative fuck-ups bought weapons and massacred people in the name of such wonderful ideas as White Replacement Theory peddled in right wing media. Dangerous times are coming because facts no longer have meaning, or worse yet, value.

Wow anyone remember that time Offset was so excited that people dont live there life on here he did not give time for people to respond and still wanted to give himself credit.

You can cherry pick all you want but things but facts people moving to Texas means more people want to live here. you may disagree with the reason but those are facts.

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Wow anyone remember that time Offset was so excited that people dont live there life on here he did not give time for people to respond and still wanted to give himself credit.

You can cherry pick all you want but things but facts people moving to Texas means more people want to live here. you may disagree with the reason but those are facts.

Your apology? Coward. Nice deflection.

[daslicer]

The White replacement theory for the Spurs was Primo, but it might not turn out to be so primo.

Ah, the threads are united.

:lol

[tmtcsc]

Does Texas not have these have and have nots? You just overlooked my post because you disagreed with me. I just stated CA indeed has problems but in comparison to TX, given they have 11 million more people, they're not only doing a better job in every category I mentioned (plus many other metrices) they just had a $100B surplus. Texas dreams of surpluses in the single digits.

Texas is also as authoritarian, or way worse, as you conservative folks love to say about CA. Banning books. School boards removing books that were ok for last 75 years, abortion bans when broadly supported by Texans, CRT nonsense, Jade Helm (LMAO), etc, etc, etc.

So you can fantasize about Texas being a magical eden where we have none of the problems CA does, but you'd both be wrong and miss the fact they have 11M more ppl in much more urban environment which is going to come with problems whether you approve or not. And again, TX ranks worse in practically every metric even with 11M fewer residents. And btw, rich ppl in CA should have a larger tax burden. That's how our socialist neighbors in Canada and Europe provide healthcare that doesn't bankrupt ppl and force them under bridges. And FTR, every metric of health and happiness ess not only puts CA OVER TX, but in those higher tax countries in Europe and Canada.

The fuk you on about? I said CA was a nice state & great place to visit. So apparently everyone who prefers to live in Texas is a backwards-ass, bible-thumping nazi? I consider myself socially liberal and fiscally conservative but there's no way I would want to live in the country's most populated and expensive state.. All that surplus is useless unless you put it to good use and its obvious California hasn't. Homeless people are encamped along once beautiful beaches and the mentally ill are wandering streets and neighborhoods like misplaced mountain lions and coyotes.

My kid was at home due to Coronavirus for a half a school year and that was it. Went to school the following year and played every football and basketball game. NEVER got Covid. You call Texas authoritarian while Californians were on lockdown in their own homes for extended periods of time. That's rich. You think censoring certain books in schools is a deal-killer? I don't agree with it but I'm still in charge in my house where its most important. My son has access to any book he wants to read. You think CA is doing a better job because it has a surplus & 11 Million more people? Some people here own acres of land and the state has a projected surplus of 24 Billion for 2022. For now we have more land and fewer people but the more people keep leaving CA for our state, its going to be a problem.

And please...supply and demand is the reason why CA is the most populous state? You have 11 or 12 million more people making babies - many of whom who can't afford to have them or aren't wise enough to use contraception. Supply and Demand tells you people are LEAVING, not just coming in to your state. Maybe it was 350K leaving last year, what will it be next year and the year after that? Where are people going? Why are they coming to Texas if we are such a terrible state?

We have less people and more land mass. No, Texas doesn't have California's beautiful beaches, snow skiing, or moderate weather but we also don't have rampant wildfires, mudslides and earthquakes. All eyes in our state are on Austin & how their liberal local government is turning Austin in to a mini-CA. Locals (many of them very liberal) who have lived there for years are experiencing gentrification and are pissed at how the city has quickly become a pain in the ass.

Enjoy your fanciful beliefs and arguments. They're as one-sided and ignorant as it gets.

[Ariel]

:wow Holy crap, had to go check the title of the thread to make sure I didn't click the wrong one.

Thankfully I can watch all this discussion about taxes, poverty and crime from afar, in the safety of my Argentinian home :drunk

[koriwhat]

Your apology? Coward. Nice deflection.

Both bernie bros right? Nice examples! lol

[tmtcsc]

:wow Holy crap, had to go check the title of the thread to make sure I didn't click the wrong one.

Thankfully I can watch all this discussion about taxes, poverty and crime from afar, in the safety of my Argentinian home :drunk

Most REAL Texans have pride. We know we aren't perfect but Pro-pimping Californians start attacking it with ignorance and prejudice and there's going to be a smack-back.

[GAustex]

Have any Walgreens or CVS been shut down in Texas due to looting?

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Most REAL Texans have pride. We know we aren't perfect but Pro-pimping Californians start attacking it with ignorance and prejudice and there's going to be a smack-back.

I'm a life-long Texan except for a few years away during college. You read weird. And Wrong.

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Have any Walgreens or CVS been shut down in Texas due to looting?

Property crime is higher in Texas. Look up what an anecdotal fact is and quit making it the *entirety* of your argument.

[GAustex]

So no
Just what I thought

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So no
Just what I thought

Property crime is higher in Texas. So your thoughts are un-germane Fox propaganda driven blathering. Enjoy your day. I'm through with this guy.

[GAustex]

After a quick search U are right Cali prop crime per person is lower but not by much

Cali does lead in CVS closings oh and train robberies

[GAustex]

Oh
Cali leads in robberies

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:wow Holy crap, had to go check the title of the thread to make sure I didn't click the wrong one.

Thankfully I can watch all this discussion about taxes, poverty and crime from afar, in the safety of my Argentinian home :drunk

Beautiful country. Love South America. I'd recommend staying there for the forseeable future because this place is increasingly headed toward civil strife. One party is unbothered by facts, brainwashed, racist, increasingly authoritarian, and increasingly violent, while the other party is comprised of ineffectual, often confrontation-averse corporatists that are more impressed by sloganeering than action. The combination of party personality and characteristics does not make a good trajectory.

And to make this clear, I did not start the political dialogue on this thread, nor have I in any of these threads where it exists. I'm increasingly fed up with lies and propoganda that often goes unchecked. I brought facts to a post full of BS. And I'll continue to do so.

[talkspurs]

Beautiful country. Love South America. I'd recommend staying there for the forseeable future because this place is increasingly headed toward civil strife. One party is unbothered by facts, brainwashed, racist, increasingly authoritarian, and increasingly violent, while the other party is comprised of ineffectual, often confrontation-averse corporatists that are more impressed by sloganeering than action. The combination of party personality and characteristics does not make a good trajectory.


Why did you say the other party? both of them describe the dems. BTW if you loathe Texas so much why dont you move? I am sure Cali would be more then happy to add you.

[talkspurs]

Your apology? Coward. Nice deflection.

Can you not read the thread above this one where I discussed the points?

I thought you were supposed to be the peaceful non bullying type? If so why would you write this? Oh thats right people like you want tell people how to act even though you do not want to act that way.

[BatManu20]

Derrick already sucking ass today. Milwaukee isn’t even guarding him. They’re playing 10 feet off him and daring him to shoot the 3. And he’s 0/5 so far, 3 of those being wide open looks.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Dude looks unplayable right now, Looks like Pritchard is the better option in this game.

[daslicer]

Derrick got stuffed badly by Lopez.

[BatManu20]

Update. Derrick is 0/7 now and they’re literally not guarding him because he can’t shoot and fucking sucks on offense. He and Grant Williams are why Boston is losing right now.

[scott]

Derrick basically representing Texas today. On paper, looks like lots of potential, but in reality, just sucks.

[Robz4000]

White is shook sadly. Even his defense is taking a hit today (albeit he had a nice sequence guarding Giannis).

[BatManu20]

Stephen A. just roasted Derrick White on the halftime show :lol


“Derrick White, don’t shoot the ball again… they’re leaving you open and you’re 0/7. At some point you have to realize it’s just not your day.”


Jalen Rose follows with, “Oh you don’t have to worry about him shooting again cause he prob won’t play another minute.” lol

[daslicer]

Derrick basically representing Texas today. On paper, looks like lots of potential, but in reality, just sucks.

:lol

[RLT]

Great trade

[BatManu20]

1-10 now. I feel bad for him man. He was playing better in Games 3-6. But he’s been legit trash today. Needs to keep his head up. You can tell he’s in his own head now too with his body language.

[RC_Drunkford]

1-10 now. I feel bad for him man. He was playing better in Games 3-6. But he’s been legit trash today. Needs to keep his head up. You can tell he’s in his own head now too with his body language.

says a lot about this guy being the 3rd best player on our roster til he got traded :lmao

[GAustex]

He is moving on
Good for White

[BatManu20]

Luckily the Celtics didn’t need him today. But they will moving forward if they want any chance to win a Championship.

[John B]

25-20-9 from Giannis though. Damn

[Robz4000]

Luckily the Celtics didn’t need him today. But they will moving forward if they want any chance to win a Championship.

The Bucks' length/shot blocking were real problems for him in this series tbh. He won't see that again this postseason unless the Suns somehow beat the Dubs.

[timtonymanu]

Good job, Derrick. Getting a taste of the conference finals

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Can you not read the thread above this one where I discussed the points?

I thought you were supposed to be the peaceful non bullying type? If so why would you write this? Oh thats right people like you want tell people how to act even though you do not want to act that way.

More Texas sucking stats. tmtcsc mo7888 GAustex

https://www.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/ufodhh/all_i_can_say_about_this_video_is_yikes/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[talkspurs]

More Texas sucking stats. tmtcsc (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=2574) mo7888 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=43104) GAustex (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51461)

https://www.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/ufodhh/all_i_can_say_about_this_video_is_yikes/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

This guy using Tic tock and reddit as sources and some guy speaking. Median wage (to pay rent) it looks like cali is 48th though which is far lower then TX which is at 33. Yes Texas uses the federal minimum wage. It is not meant to support a family off of. It really should be nothing. There are many jobs that pay above the minimum wage here as well.

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This guy using Tic tock and reddit as sources and some guy speaking. Median wage (to pay rent) it looks like cali is 48th though which is far lower then TX which is at 33. Yes Texas uses the federal minimum wage. It is not meant to support a family off of. It really should be nothing. There are many jobs that pay above the minimum wage here as well.

Lmao. No I used a Stanford deep dive assessment the first time before you called me a liar. Then I posted it. Still waiting on your pathetic apology you coward. You're a low life POS.

The tic-toc video only buries the knife deeper that Texas is not only just as bad as you guys ever accuse California of being crime-wise, but we're also far worse economically in practically every metric as the guy underscored. With 11 million *fewer* people. And without the $100 Billion surplus.

Take the L. Shut up. And apologize. Everyone with a brain besides mo7888 knows I am right. Because I proved it.

[mo7888]

More Texas sucking stats. tmtcsc mo7888 GAustex

https://www.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/ufodhh/all_i_can_say_about_this_video_is_yikes/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

I purposely haven't commented on any of this political stuff and you're not going to draw me into the conversation. It's not worth my time. While I generally disagree with your POV it doesn't bother me one iota that you think differently. If you ever find me on a political board I'll be more than happy to engage but, I'm here for basketball, and more specifically, Spurs basketball....so carry on as you will....

[KingKev]

says a lot about this guy being the 3rd best player on our roster til he got traded :lmao

His shooting isn’t a slump anymore. Even Russ can go off occasionally when he gets hot.

Chip should probably not include White on his resume
LOL

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I purposely haven't commented on any of this political stuff and you're not going to draw me into the conversation. It's not worth my time. While I generally disagree with your POV it doesn't bother me one iota that you think differently. If you ever find me on a political board I'll be more than happy to engage but, I'm here for basketball, and more specifically, Spurs basketball....so carry on as you will....

Nice try. You're the only one that is engaging the like button on every post that responded to me on this thread. Have the balls to do more than passively agree with positions that I have **FACTUALLY** dismissed. You understand that makes you look like just as much a fool as the person with whom I was responding, no?

Otherwise, I wouldn't have called you out. Opinions are only opinions if they are not on a veracity scale, and facts are on that scale. That irritates me beyond belief.

[mo7888]

Nice try. You're the only one that is engaging the like button on every post that responded to me on this thread. Have the balls to do more than passively agree with positions that I have **FACTUALLY** dismissed. You understand that makes you look like just as much a fool as the person with whom I was responding, no?

Otherwise, I wouldn't have called you out. Opinions are only opinions if they are not on a veracity scale, and facts are on that scale. That irritates me beyond belief.

Cool story bro..brother...

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Cool story bro..brother...

As I suspected. I'm through with this guy (said in my cousin Vinny speak).

[CGD]

It’s always been the confidence with him. One of the telecaster said it right during game 5, “Derrick doesn’t believe he’s as good as his coaches know he is.”

[MultiTroll]

Good trade for both sides.

[KingKev]

It’s always been the confidence with him. One of the telecaster said it right during game 5, “Derrick doesn’t believe he’s as good as his coaches know he is.”

This is such BS. He is confident enough to shoot 5 3’s a game. He just isn’t that good.

[R. DeMurre]

White wasn't brought to Boston by Brad Stevens and Ime Udoka to be Steph Curry or even Buddy Hield. They knew he wasn't a great three point shooter. He was brought on because he plays defense and isn't a ball stopper on offense. Sure, they'd be thrilled if he could shoot 36% rather than 30%, but that's not his principle job. His +/- numbers for the seven games against Milwaukee were -8, +22, +9, +18, +8, +9, +10. That's why he was brought there. He makes them a better team.

[KingKev]

White wasn't brought to Boston by Brad Stevens and Ime Udoka to be Steph Curry or even Buddy Hield. They knew he wasn't a great three point shooter. He was brought on because he plays defense and isn't a ball stopper on offense. Sure, they'd be thrilled if he could shoot 36% rather than 30%, but that's not his principle job. His +/- numbers for the seven games against Milwaukee were -8, +22, +9, +18, +8, +9, +10. That's why he was brought there. He makes them a better team.

LOL. His 3pt % is closer to 25% in the playoffs and his +\- relative to the point differential is nothing to brag about.

[R. DeMurre]

LOL. His 3pt % is closer to 25% in the playoffs and his +\- relative to the point differential is nothing to brag about.

I'd say posting positive +/- numbers in two loses is actually something to brag about. 3pt% is always going to waver in small sample sizes. But again, he wasn't brought there to be a 3pt wizard. One example: Last night in the Phoenix game, Dallas continually hunted Chris Paul on defense. Teams aren't going to do that to White. And I'd argue that White's temperament, which could be frustrating if he's one of your starters, is actually an advantage as a bench player. White's never going to makes waves complaining that he should get more shots. He knows that the hierarchy is set on that team, and has no inclination to mess with it. He's a perfect 6th/7th man on a good team.

[KingKev]

I'd say posting positive +/- numbers in two loses is actually something to brag about. 3pt% is always going to waver in small sample sizes. But again, he wasn't brought there to be a 3pt wizard. One example: Last night in the Phoenix game, Dallas continually hunted Chris Paul on defense. Teams aren't going to do that to White. And I'd argue that White's temperament, which could be frustrating if he's one of your starters, is actually an advantage as a bench player. White's never going to makes waves complaining that he should get more shots. He knows that the hierarchy is set on that team, and has no inclination to mess with it. He's a perfect 6th/7th man on a good team.

I’d hope he doesn’t complain about more shots when he can hit even league average at wide open ones. He is a TERRIBLE shooter and if one of Tatum, Brown or Smart go down he is incapable of picking up the slack.

He was somehow our 3rd best player and a fan favourite. Paying 17-19mm a year for White is tragic.

[CGD]

This is such BS. He is confident enough to shoot 5 3’s a game. He just isn’t that good.

I mean, that was the Bucks’ game plan (as well as leaving Smart open for 3). Of course he has to take the shot, reluctantly or not, otherwise Boston can’t keep him out there for his prized D.

[lefty20]

I'd say posting positive +/- numbers in two loses is actually something to brag about. 3pt% is always going to waver in small sample sizes. But again, he wasn't brought there to be a 3pt wizard. One example: Last night in the Phoenix game, Dallas continually hunted Chris Paul on defense. Teams aren't going to do that to White. And I'd argue that White's temperament, which could be frustrating if he's one of your starters, is actually an advantage as a bench player. White's never going to makes waves complaining that he should get more shots. He knows that the hierarchy is set on that team, and has no inclination to mess with it. He's a perfect 6th/7th man on a good team.

If White's gonna complain it's gonna be a Kwame esque complain.... "Ayy Tatum, bruh stop passing that ball to me. I can't shoot rn"

[KingKev]

If White's gonna complain it's gonna be a Kwame esque complain.... "Ayy Tatum, bruh stop passing that ball to me. I can't shoot EVER"

Fixed

[R. DeMurre]

I’d hope he doesn’t complain about more shots when he can hit even league average at wide open ones. He is a TERRIBLE shooter and if one of Tatum, Brown or Smart go down he is incapable of picking up the slack.

He was somehow our 3rd best player and a fan favourite. Paying 17-19mm a year for White is tragic.


He's been a subpar three point shooter this year, but his 2pt%, his FT%, and his TS% are all better than Dejounte's. Would you say Dejounte is a terrible shooter? I don't think anyone in Boston will call it tragic if they win a title this year.

[KingKev]

He's been a subpar three point shooter this year, but his 2pt%, his FT%, and his TS% are all better than Dejounte's. Would you say Dejounte is a terrible shooter? I don't think anyone in Boston will call it tragic if they win a title this year.

Let’s not compare DJ and DW.

[talkspurs]

Lmao. No I used a Stanford deep dive assessment the first time before you called me a liar. Then I posted it. Still waiting on your pathetic apology you coward. You're a low life POS.

The tic-toc video only buries the knife deeper that Texas is not only just as bad as you guys ever accuse California of being crime-wise, but we're also far worse economically in practically every metric as the guy underscored. With 11 million *fewer* people. And without the $100 Billion surplus.

Take the L. Shut up. And apologize. Everyone with a brain besides mo7888 knows I am right. Because I proved it.

What are you even talking about. Cali ranks lower on affording housing off of a median wage. Most people know Texas minimum wage is the federal wage. dont know what that is supposed to prove.

The stanford one I already replied to spends more with worse results.

Anyway since Im sure youll reply in the next hour and cant understand what numbers actually mean ill let this tread get back to talking about white and ignore your post on this.

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What are you even talking about. Cali ranks lower on affording housing off of a median wage. Most people know Texas minimum wage is the federal wage. dont know what that is supposed to prove.

The stanford one I already replied to spends more with worse results.

Anyway since Im sure youll reply in the next hour and cant understand what numbers actually mean ill let this tread get back to talking about white and ignore your post on this.

Sigh. Every metric in that video other than housing affordability ranked Texas worse, often far worse than CA. Again, guess what? Supply and demand alone (economics 101) would tell you a state smaller than Texas with less livable land, and with 11 million more ppl has a higher housing cost. But yet again, you'rebeing daft not to note the context and that CA long ago raised their minimum wage ($14/hr if under 26 employees /$15 if over 26 employees. Meanwhile Texas plods along with $7.25 / hr. CA is aware of the high cost to live there and are trying to make employers pay a living wage. Texas...not even a bit.

You make it so easy for folks to expose your willful ignorance and idiocy.

This is your problem. Do you not see the pure lack of objectivity you possess?

As for your second paragraph...huh, wut, what you talkin' bout Willis? That was primarily related to crime, not spending. Did you even open the link to verify I disproved your BULLSHIT outright with no ifs ands or buts.

Your 3rd paragraph is what I expected. Cowardly capitulation. I'm through with this guy. I must say though that I've greatly enjoyed dismantling the inanity / insanity you base your life upon.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

White is proving to be a good role player for a contender. Definitely not a star for an up and comer.

He's really not even a third option for Boston, but somewhere after that.

[DesignatedT]

I think a late first rounder is about all he's worth so it is what it is. People need to let it go. The Murray/White pairing never worked and the Spurs got a fair return. White is in the first year of a $73M contract. I'm glad that's not on the Spurs books anymore. The pick swap in 2028 could prove to be big also.

[CGD]

I think a late first rounder is about all he's worth so it is what it is. People need to let it go. The Murray/White pairing never worked and the Spurs got a fair return. White is in the first year of a $73M contract. I'm glad that's not on the Spurs books anymore. The pick swap in 2028 could prove to be big also.

They'll also get something good out of that Richardson deal, just watch.

[KingKev]

White is proving to be a good role player for a contender. Definitely not a star for an up and comer.

He's really not even a third option for Boston, but somewhere after that.

He isn’t an option at all on the offensive end but running a play for him might actually be genius in the clutch as no one will expect it.

[rascal]

Sigh. Every metric in that video other than housing affordability ranked Texas worse, often far worse than CA. Again, guess what? Supply and demand alone (economics 101) would tell you a state smaller than Texas with less livable land, and with 11 million more ppl has a higher housing cost. But yet again, you'rebeing daft not to note the context and that CA long ago raised their minimum wage ($14/hr if under 26 employees /$15 if over 26 employees. Meanwhile Texas plods along with $7.25 / hr. CA is aware of the high cost to live there and are trying to make employers pay a living wage. Texas...not even a bit.

You make it so easy for folks to expose your willful ignorance and idiocy.

This is your problem. Do you not see the pure lack of objectivity you possess?

As for your second paragraph...huh, wut, what you talkin' bout Willis? That was primarily related to crime, not spending. Did you even open the link to verify I disproved your BULLSHIT outright with no ifs ands or buts.

Your 3rd paragraph is what I expected. Cowardly capitulation. I'm through with this guy. I must say though that I've greatly enjoyed dismantling the inanity / insanity you base your life upon.

Agree but this should not be in the Spurs section of the forum.

[MannyIsGod]

The White replacement theory for the Spurs was Primo, but it might not turn out to be so primo.

Ah, the threads are united.


Lololol

[KingKev]

Lololol

White was a replacement theory for Danny Green. Primo is more capable of replacing White than White was Green. Continuous downgrades.

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Agree but this should not be in the Spurs section of the forum.

Agree. That's why I didn’t start this. I'm happy to fill in facts as I did above however if a couple of posters want to keep responding with nonsense.

That said, this is effing draft position day, so *today* we're all Spurfans, so I'm in a cheritable mood to let ignorance be ignorance.

[rascal]

Agree. That's why I didn’t start this. I'm happy to fill in facts as I did above however if a couple of posters want to keep responding with nonsense.

That said, this is effing draft position day, so *today* we're all Spurfans, so I'm in a cheritable mood to let ignorance be ignorance.

I'm expecting a good night for the Spurs.

[MannyIsGod]

Agree. That's why I didn’t start this. I'm happy to fill in facts as I did above however if a couple of posters want to keep responding with nonsense.

That said, this is effing draft position day, so *today* we're all Spurfans, so I'm in a cheritable mood to let ignorance be ignorance.

You're just dropping facts. Fuck these ignorant dioshits who can't take it

[MannyIsGod]

White was a replacement theory for Danny Green. Primo is more capable of replacing White than White was Green. Continuous downgrades.

I think you missed the joke.

[KingKev]

I think you missed the joke.

I did not.

[SAGirl]

Derrick making game winning defensive plays. Good to see.

[R. DeMurre]

Celts getting really good play from Pritchard, Nesmith, and Robert Williams... if those guys all keep improving, this team will be insanely good. Williams is a marvel defensively-- so fun to watch.

[BatManu20]

Derrick’s inability to shoot is still killing Boston.

[BatManu20]

Derrick’s inability to shoot is still killing Boston.

[slick'81]

Spurs are lucky af to dump that hideous white contract

[DesignatedT]

Derrick with another dud for Boston.

[Mr. Body]

Celts getting really good play from Pritchard, Nesmith, and Robert Williams... if those guys all keep improving, this team will be insanely good. Williams is a marvel defensively-- so fun to watch.

I don't think those players are actually that good.

[R. DeMurre]

I don't think those players are actually that good.


Pritchard & Nesmith were playing better than expected in the first half, and that's why it stood out. Generally, they haven't been too impressive.

You don't think Robert Williams is good? To me, he's an asset on both sides but especially on D.

[Mr. Body]

Pritchard & Nesmith were playing better than expected in the first half, and that's why it stood out. Generally, they haven't been too impressive.

You don't think Robert Williams is good? To me, he's an asset on both sides but especially on D.

Yeah, agree on Williams.

[BatManu20]

Derrick 1/4 for 3 pts and 2 turnovers tonight after getting the start against Miami. Woof.

Celtics are cooked if they don’t get Smart and Horford back by Game 3.

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Derrick 1/4 for 3 pts and 2 turnovers tonight after getting the start against Miami. Woof.

Celtics are cooked if they don’t get Smart and Horford back by Game 3.

Seems White is too reliant on confidence from game to game based on early results in the game. And if his last game was inefficient, he's already starting off in a trough. If he starts out aggressive and on fire, he has good games. If he misses his first few, he stops being aggressive and demures way too much. White can get into the lane when he's got the aggressive fire going. Hope he can find it again. He's a good dude.

[KingKev]

Lol where are the analytic fan boys tonight…. I’m sure you fellas can find some advanced stats to stand up your favourite ex-spur Derrick White?

[Fireball]

Defensively he was good as always but damn he is useless on offense at this stage of the playoffs ... Udoka had no chance but to go to Pritchard instead to get some offense

[The Truth #6]

I think the verdict is in: good trade!

[rjv]

watching white last night was seeing a microcosm of his career with the spurs. he'd make a great defensive play on one side and then blow a fast break on the other. his offense was here one second, and gone another, i can just hear celtics fans pulling their hair out.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I think the verdict is in: good trade!

:tu

Not the guard of the future (or the present) for a rebuilding team.

[spurraider21]

Derrick with another dud for Boston.
he's shooting 35% from the field and 24% from 3 through the entire postseason

[slick'81]

he's shooting 35% from the field and 24% from 3 through the entire postseason


what a great trade for sa

[The Truth #6]

Dare say Brian Wrong was right?!! Combined with the DDR trade, I'm more confident in the GM. Now, drafting is the next challenge. But that's another thread...

[Mr. Body]

Dare say Brian Wrong was right?!! Combined with the DDR trade, I'm more confident in the GM. Now, drafting is the next challenge. But that's another thread...

People have forgotten about the Toronto trade. Didn't they move up 13 spots at the cost of just eating some salary?

[KingKev]

People have forgotten about the Toronto trade. Didn't they move up 13 spots at the cost of just eating some salary?

It’s all relative. We ate 5mm in cap for the SRP we sent to Toronto (that SRP was acquired for eating Hutshison’s 5mm contract to help facilitate the Russ to LA trade) AND ate 14mm in cap for Thad which turned unto #21. The prorated 4 million difference between Eubanks and Thad for Dragic is a rounding error.

[Mr. Body]

It’s all relative. We ate 5mm in cap for the SRP we sent to Toronto (that SRP was acquired for eating Hutshison’s 5mm contract to help facilitate the Russ to LA trade) AND ate 14mm in cap for Thad which turned unto #21. The prorated 4 million difference between Eubanks and Thad for Dragic is a rounding error.

Into the #20. It's not relative. They literally traded junk for 13 spots.

[KingKev]

Into the #20. It's not relative. They literally traded junk for 13 spots.

Junk that was acquired using 20mm in cap space.

[KingKev]

White probably had his kid fyi…

[exstatic]

It’s all relative. We ate 5mm in cap for the SRP we sent to Toronto (that SRP was acquired for eating Hutshison’s 5mm contract to help facilitate the Russ to LA trade) AND ate 14mm in cap for Thad which turned unto #21. The prorated 4 million difference between Eubanks and Thad for Dragic is a rounding error.

Hutchison’s contract was $4,019,459, and therefor falls into the category of a rounding error. I didn’t make the rules.

[exstatic]

Junk that was acquired using 20mm in cap space.

That’s how renting cap space works.

[KingKev]

That’s how renting cap space works.

I agree, I’m simply equating the cost.

[KingKev]

People have forgotten about the Toronto trade. Didn't they move up 13 spots at the cost of just eating some salary?


Into the #20. It's not relative. They literally traded junk for 13 spots.


It’s all relative. We ate 5mm in cap for the SRP we sent to Toronto (that SRP was acquired for eating Hutshison’s 5mm contract to help facilitate the Russ to LA trade) AND ate 14mm in cap for Thad which turned unto #21. The prorated 4 million difference between Eubanks and Thad for Dragic is a rounding error.


That’s how renting cap space works.

[CGD]

I agree, I’m simply equating the cost.

Fairness enough -- still, I don't believe you can look at the Thad piece in isolation. I know you and I ascribe the value to the various pieces of the DDR trade differently, but you can argue some of the value beyond just Thad should be ascribed to the $20M (e.g., the CHI SRP).

[Mr. Body]

I believe the team had to use the cap space anyway, right? They couldn't simply S&T DeRozan for nothing, and of course they traded him to get other assets. So the Spurs could have just sat on Thad's contract, or eaten it. Instead they flipped it for those 13 spots in the draft. A cool bit of business, I'd say.

[KingKev]

Fairness enough -- still, I don't believe you can look at the Thad piece in isolation. I know you and I ascribe the value to the various pieces of the DDR trade differently, but you can argue some of the value beyond just Thad should be ascribed to the $20M (e.g., the CHI SRP).

I mean 10mm for Aminu also in the deal. I think we all agree we could go down the lineage of these moves and have different assessments I just took a disagreement that we pulled out the #20 pick with junk as there was a process and greater cost than that. Not like we flipped traded Eubanks and an SRP for it.

Regardless it was the right move and I expect more of this in the coming years while we are rebuilding.

[Spurs Homer]

No reason why white misses a game -
his WIFE gave birth - not white (allegedly)

the bonus for celts is that PRITCHARD gets more burn and demonstrates to the world that when you shoot threes

they actually go in the basket

next game

D White will demonstrate how to shoot threes, make contact with all parts of the rim

AND MISS!

[TDMVPDPOY]

watching him and anderson this years playoffs...they are basically the same fkn players who dont do shit to change the needle, so inconsistent...

[rascal]

White was a good trade.

Boston was looking like it was falling in the standings and the draft pick was looking good then Boston turned it around and started winning and the draft pick lost value
but when the trade was made it was a good trade.

[daslicer]

White was a good trade.

Boston was looking like it was falling in the standings and the draft pick was looking good then Boston turned it around and started winning and the draft pick lost value
but when the trade was made it was a good trade.

I still think it's a good trade even with the Celtics pick being a late first rounder. White was never going to be anything special for the Spurs and they were able to dump his contract along with getting a solid player that fits their system in Jrich. At worst I feel the Spurs broke even with this trade.

[RC_Drunkford]

don't forget the swap. That one could be big

[exstatic]

don't forget the swap. That one could be big

I still think we flip JRich to a contender for a FRP.

[emanueldavidginobili]

14 min 0 points 1 assist 2 rebounds.

[HemisfairArena]

14 min 0 points 1 assist 2 rebounds.

Spurs entire team in the 2022 western conference finals,,,0 points 0 assists 0 rebounds

[KingKev]

White’s advanced analytics were through the roof in that blowout win in game 2.

[RC_Drunkford]

I still think we flip JRich to a contender for a FRP.

we should

[CGD]

I still think we flip JRich to a contender for a FRP.

Indeed, the returns on the package will grow. Might even be able to salvage something from Romeo.

[KingKev]

Indeed, the returns on the package will grow. Might even be able to salvage something from Romeo.

I’d like to see Langford get some burn when healthy but I think he will be a likely training camp decision, espwcially if we draft all 4 picks this year.

[lefty20]

Spurs entire team in the 2022 western conference finals,,,0 points 0 assists 0 rebounds

How many minutes?

[exstatic]

I’d like to see Langford get some burn when healthy but I think he will be a likely training camp decision, espwcially if we draft all 4 picks this year.

He was drafted as a scorer out of IU, yet morphed himself into a defender when that was his only path that minutes. I’d like to see him for a season. He could be the mulligan we get for fucking up the Lonnie pick.

I doubt we draft and keep all 4 picks. Like 1% chance. The bar is pretty low for a throw in to a trade. If he can become an end of rotation player who can defend at a plus level, and score a bit unassisted, he’s absolutely worth his year 4 salary.

[KingKev]

He was drafted as a scorer out of IU, yet morphed himself into a defender when that was his only path that minutes. I’d like to see him for a season. He could be the mulligan we get for fucking up the Lonnie pick.

I doubt we draft and keep all 4 picks. Like 1% chance. The bar is pretty low for a throw in to a trade. If he can become an end of rotation player who can defend at a plus level, and score a bit unassisted, he’s absolutely worth his year 4 salary.

I don’t think the goal is to use all 4 picks but they may have to versus dumping them. Hopefully a few of those later picks help facilitate a broader deal that may include McD, JRich or even Jak. If we draft at all 4 it just pushes out the some of G leaguers, Weiskamp, KBD and/or Landale who are fringe NBA players to begin with.

I have yet to see a single comment from Pop on Langford. He was a highly touted HS player once upon a time but has had little success since. He seems more like a Chriss or Hutchison contract than someone who actually has a shot at having a shot with us but with that being said I’m all for giving him a chance as I’m indifferent between Primo, Vassell and Langford. Don’t think any of these guys are more than career backups. Put them all in comp next year.

[exstatic]

I don’t think the goal is to use all 4 picks but they may have to versus dumping them. Hopefully a few of those later picks help facilitate a broader deal that may include McD, JRich or even Jak. If we draft at all 4 it just pushes out the some of G leaguers, Weiskamp, KBD and/or Landale who are fringe NBA players to begin with.

I have yet to see a single comment from Pop on Langford. He was a highly touted HS player once upon a time but has had little success since. He seems more like a Chriss or Hutchison contract than someone who actually has a shot at having a shot with us but with that being said I’m all for giving him a chance as I’m indifferent between Primo, Vassell and Langford. Don’t think any of these guys are more than career backups. Put them all in comp next year.

If you think Keldon made a big jump in year 3, wait for vassell’s. He’s already a 3 level scorer who defends.

[KingKev]

If you think Keldon made a big jump in year 3, wait for vassell’s. He’s already a 3 level scorer who defends.

Vassell had a strong finish to the season. I see both on a similar D White trajectory currently. Hope they can take that next leap by year 4.

[exstatic]

Vassell had a strong finish to the season. I see both on a similar D White trajectory currently. Hope they can take that next leap by year 4.

WTF? White started very strong for two years, better than either of them, and crapped out after his foot injuries. Neither of them started that strong, or look to have any health issues that would cause them to crap out. Keldon, year 3, is far better than White year 3. Vassell will be better.

[mo7888]

Vassell had a strong finish to the season. I see both on a similar D White trajectory currently. Hope they can take that next leap by year 4.

I agree with you on the trajectory... they are obviously different players that white but they do look like guys that can be signed for similar money and traded for some value similar to what happened with White.

[KingKev]

I agree with you on the trajectory... they are obviously different players that white but they do look like guys that can be signed for similar money and traded for some value similar to what happened with White.

Yeah that was more what I was getting at. I see Keldon/Vassell is solid bench players more than future potential All-Stars.

My hope is Keldon gets a 4yr extension 75-80mm total. I think that is fair value and if he takes a leap in year 4 as either a reliable goto scorer or above average defender while maintaining near 40% from deep you have a solid building block on a reasonable deal. If he stagnates next year it is still a fair deal and he can be moved for the right return.

[mo7888]

Yeah that was more what I was getting at. I see Keldon/Vassell is solid bench players more than future potential All-Stars.

My hope is Keldon gets a 4yr extension 75-80mm total. I think that is fair value and if he takes a leap in year 4 as either a reliable goto scorer or above average defender while maintaining near 40% from deep you have a solid building block on a reasonable deal. If he stagnates next year it is still a fair deal and he can be moved for the right return.

I'm with you on the money...I also think it's possible that we could package one of them this summer to either move up or in a package for an established player like Grant or JC...

[BacktoBasics]

we should

I’m not sold on this. He was a great fit here. Particularly of value if we move or let go of Lonnie.

I have no problems putting JRich in a package for a proven upgrade or to move up in the draft but there’s no sense in moving him for a late 1st just for the sake of moving him. He has more value to us than another 22-30 pick.

[MannyIsGod]

Keldon's will end up with all star appearances when its all said and done. The kid turned into a 20 ppg scorer at the end of last season and he has a lot of room for improvement. He's going to hit that level easily, IMO. I don't disagree that I would expect him to get a sub 20m per year extension though. I just think he's got a higher ceiling than most on here give him credit for.

[KingKev]

I'm with you on the money...I also think it's possible that we could package one of them this summer to either move up or in a package for an established player like Grant or JC...

Sounds like we see things similarly. I think this trade deadline showed a true changing of the guard at the PATFO level. No one is safe, especially as we potentially add 3-4 more rookies.

I also think that is a major reason Primo got so much burn late in the season. His developmental timeline may have been pushed forward.

[MannyIsGod]

I’m not sold on this. He was a great fit here. Particularly if value if we move or let go of Lonnie.

I have no problems putting JRich in a package for a proven upgrade or to move up in the draft but there’s no sense in moving him for a late 1st just for the sake of moving him. He has more value to us than another 22-30 pick.

Yeah I'm not sure that I agree with this at all. JRich has value to a team who is going to at least compete for the playoffs. But a team that is trying to find a diamond in the rough that draft pick has more value. I mean what meaningfully changes if they trade Jrich? You just play your young guys in that position and most likely they do worse than he would have but so what? Now, if the Spurs actually make some moves this offseason and are in legit playoff contention, I might agree with you more, but as it stands right now getting rid of him for a draft pick is fine. Especially since he's not likely to want to stick around for a low price.

[KingKev]

I’m not sold on this. He was a great fit here. Particularly of value if we move or let go of Lonnie.

I have no problems putting JRich in a package for a proven upgrade or to move up in the draft but there’s no sense in moving him for a late 1st just for the sake of moving him. He has more value to us than another 22-30 pick.

I think it depends on how we come out of the draft/free agency this offseason.

If we are looking like a playoff team after some roster moves, he makes more sense than if we are headed into another season as a probable bottom 5-10 team.

I’m not sold on the development of our current youth and adding a few more rookies to get us to true playoff contention so as much as I like JRich it makes sense getting something in return this summer or at the deadline versus losing him in free agency for nothing. We should have been more opportunistic with LMA/Patty/Gay in that regard.

[BacktoBasics]

Yeah I'm not sure that I agree with this at all. JRich has value to a team who is going to at least compete for the playoffs. But a team that is trying to find a diamond in the rough that draft pick has more value. I mean what meaningfully changes if they trade Jrich? You just play your young guys in that position and most likely they do worse than he would have but so what? Now, if the Spurs actually make some moves this offseason and are in legit playoff contention, I might agree with you more, but as it stands right now getting rid of him for a draft pick is fine. Especially since he's not likely to want to stick around for a low price.


I think it depends on how we come out of the draft/free agency this offseason.

If we are looking like a playoff team after some roster moves, he makes more sense than if we are headed into another season as a probable bottom 5-10 team.

I’m not sold on the development of our current youth and adding a few more rookies to get us to true playoff contention so as much as I like JRich it makes sense getting something in return this summer or at the deadline versus losing him in free agency for nothing. We should have been more opportunistic with LMA/Patty/Gay in that regard.

So I'll concede that the difference is what's stated here. If we come out of the draft and FA looking like a much improved team he's more valuable to us. If we're treading water in or around the trade deadline then absolutely move him for a pick. Unless he can be packaged this offseason for a practical upgrade.

[exstatic]

I’m not sold on this. He was a great fit here. Particularly of value if we move or let go of Lonnie.

I have no problems putting JRich in a package for a proven upgrade or to move up in the draft but there’s no sense in moving him for a late 1st just for the sake of moving him. He has more value to us than another 22-30 pick.

I love JRich, and I think the kids absolutely do, too, and I'd move him in a cold minute for a FRP.

Keldon is getting a big extension this summer, which will kick in next summer, right when JRich's contract ends. They'll be negotiating Vassell's extension at that time. If we sign anyone this summer, they'll be getting paid on that same cap. JRich will be 30 when his next contract season one kicks in, and it'll likely be his last big one, so he probably won't give a discount, and will walk for nothing. There's just going to be too much on the cap or the cap horizon to pay a complementary player who won't push us over the top into the playoffs. He would have great value to a contender as a 3andD who is a good locker room guy. Like Manny said, you need to take as many FRP shots as you can, even late ones, so that something pans out eventually.

[RC_Drunkford]

I’m not sold on this. He was a great fit here. Particularly of value if we move or let go of Lonnie.

I have no problems putting JRich in a package for a proven upgrade or to move up in the draft but there’s no sense in moving him for a late 1st just for the sake of moving him. He has more value to us than another 22-30 pick.

we have too many wings, if we draft another wing that's 4 for the rotation unless Pop wants to play Keldon at the 4 again. Spurs should either use him to move up or to get another future 1st

[Ice009]

I’m not sold on this. He was a great fit here. Particularly of value if we move or let go of Lonnie.

I have no problems putting JRich in a package for a proven upgrade or to move up in the draft but there’s no sense in moving him for a late 1st just for the sake of moving him. He has more value to us than another 22-30 pick.

I don't think he should be moved for just anyone. Maybe wait and see until the trade deadline to see how the team is going, but IMO, the team really played better when he arrived. The chemistry seemed really good between him and the rest of the team. I don't think you should just move him for a late first round pick right away. See how it goes first. I would definitely move him in a package for an upgrade, but I just don't think a late first round pick is better move right away.

[BatManu20]

Derrick looking terrible again. Single-handedly letting Miami back in the game with his turnovers and terrible shot selection.

[KingKev]

Derrick looking terrible again. Single-handedly letting Miami back in the game with his turnovers and terrible shot selection.

You have to look past that. He isn not a “ball stopper” and he’s unselfish.

[GAustex]

So far second leading scorer and making all this right plays
Hmmm
Today White is the windshield
Yesterday he was the bug

[KingKev]

So far second leading scorer and making all this right plays
Hmmm
Today White is the windshield
Yesterday he was the bug

He is still noticeably average. Horrible shooter. Miami is just playing worse.

[exstatic]

Josh Richardson will not be paid in the summer of 2023. Start with that, and what the Spurs will do becomes only a matter of timing. Even during his media session after the play in, he seemed resigned to his fate.

[Ariel]

There's no way to paint this deal for the Spurs in a bad light. Even one for one, Richardson's skillset suits the Spurs better, and on top of that you get 25 in a draft where value is projected to be available at that spot, plus an (almost) unprotected swap that could be a golden ticket.
This season's moves have been excellent, hopefully they don't screw it come draft night.

[GAustex]

Haters gon hate
U b u Mr. White

[BatManu20]

4-14 tonight, including 1-8 from 3. His offensive woes continue. I’m rooting for Derrick, but the Celtics are winning in spite of him, not because of him. He’s still a plus defender though. I’ll give him that. And he had 8 boards and 6 assists tonight.

[rascal]

It's better if White does great.

If the Spurs always win the better end of every trade they make the front office looks too savvy and other teams will become more reluctant to trade with them.

Hoping White plays sensational.

[scott]

Keldon's will end up with all star appearances when its all said and done. The kid turned into a 20 ppg scorer at the end of last season and he has a lot of room for improvement. He's going to hit that level easily, IMO. I don't disagree that I would expect him to get a sub 20m per year extension though. I just think he's got a higher ceiling than most on here give him credit for.

For that to happen, we'd have to be a good team and Keldon would have to be our second best player. If Keldon is our second best player, I don't think we are a good team. So I'll sell the idea of him making any all star appearances.

[Ice009]

It's better if White does great.

If the Spurs always win the better end of every trade they make the front office looks too savvy and other teams will become more reluctant to trade with them.

Hoping White plays sensational.

That's a good point. I, too, hope White does great the rest of the playoffs.

[RC_Drunkford]

Derrick White will be shooting bricks for his entire career. I don't get why people think otherwise

[KingKev]

Derrick White will be shooting bricks for his entire career. I don't get why people think otherwise

Lol no way he lasts in Boston. That team and city are wayyy to cut throat. Last night was arguably his best game as a Celt. That contract looks worse and worse, getting off of that was great timing by B Wright.

He would have been our highest paid player this year LOL

[rascal]

Lol no way he lasts in Boston. That team and city are wayyy to cut throat. Last night was arguably his best game as a Celt. That contract looks worse and worse, getting off of that was great timing by B Wright.

He would have been our highest paid player this year LOL

I remember when he was with the Spurs he was a big favorite on this board (not you in particular) and now no one thinks highly of him.

[GAustex]

Yeah right
No one

[Drom John]

I think highly of Derrick White.

[Dex]

I think we have seen a large enough sample size to say White is what he is...a Jekyll and Hyde player, similar to Lonnie.

He could have a great game for you or hit some big shots, but then would follow that up by being mostly invisible for the next game or two.

We saw it in San Antonio, and we are seeing the same in Boston. There are times where he looks like a steady floor general out there, and times where he looks lost or is just shooting them out of the game.

Between his inconsistency and injury issue, the Spurs were better off getting out of that contract and actually managed to gain some assets in the process.

[slick'81]

I think we have seen a large enough sample size to say White is what he is...a Jekyll and Hyde player, similar to Lonnie.

He could have a great game for you or hit some big shots, but then would follow that up by being mostly invisible for the next game or two.

We saw it in San Antonio, and we are seeing the same in Boston. There are times where he looks like a steady floor general out there, and times where he looks lost or is just shooting them out of the game.

Between his inconsistency and injury issue, the Spurs were better off getting out of that contract and actually managed to gain some assets in the process.

The guys got talent. Weve all seen it but he just is soo damn inconsistent . His lack of confidence at times is alarming

[PrimeMinister]

spurs won the fuck out of that trade

[exstatic]

I think we have seen a large enough sample size to say White is what he is...a Jekyll and Hyde player, similar to Lonnie.

He could have a great game for you or hit some big shots, but then would follow that up by being mostly invisible for the next game or two.

We saw it in San Antonio, and we are seeing the same in Boston. There are times where he looks like a steady floor general out there, and times where he looks lost or is just shooting them out of the game.

Between his inconsistency and injury issue, the Spurs were better off getting out of that contract and actually managed to gain some assets in the process.

He was good until the foot injury.

[KingKev]

I think we have seen a large enough sample size to say White is what he is...a Jekyll and Hyde player, similar to Lonnie.

He could have a great game for you or hit some big shots, but then would follow that up by being mostly invisible for the next game or two.

We saw it in San Antonio, and we are seeing the same in Boston. There are times where he looks like a steady floor general out there, and times where he looks lost or is just shooting them out of the game.

Between his inconsistency and injury issue, the Spurs were better off getting out of that contract and actually managed to gain some assets in the process.

Lost me at hit some big shots. That dunk over Milsap was door though.

[Dex]

Lost me at hit some big shots. That dunk over Milsap was door though.

:lol I never said he was a consistent shooter...but even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then