Derrick White trade looking worse and worse every day

[RC_Drunkford]

Lol no way he lasts in Boston. That team and city are wayyy to cut throat. Last night was arguably his best game as a Celt. That contract looks worse and worse, getting off of that was great timing by B Wright.

He would have been our highest paid player this year LOL

I can't believe we got a 1st round pick, a swap, Josh Richardson and Romeo Langford for a bench player on an overpaid contract. This was a heist

[RC_Drunkford]

I remember when he was with the Spurs he was a big favorite on this board (not you in particular) and now no one thinks highly of him.

shows you how much people round here know about basketball

[Chinook]

I don't think many folks in this thread did anything other than look at the final box score on their phones and didn't hit the "show all" toggle. White shot 4-14, but he shots 3-5 to start the game, which Boston took their lead over Miami in the first place. After that, he show poorly, but he put in eight rebounds (tied for third behind two centers), six assists (most on the team) and four stocks (tied with Hoford for most). He led the Celtics in minutes and completely erased Lowry. He shot poorly, but he didn't have a bad game.

[exstatic]

I remember when he was with the Spurs he was a big favorite on this board (not you in particular) and now no one thinks highly of him.

He was a pretty damn good player his first 3 years, and shot 36% from 3 land. Derrick, shooting like that, is very valuable. That foot injury/surgery fucked up his shot, big time.

[KingKev]

:lol I never said he was a consistent shooter...but even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then

Haha door was meant to = dope.

A broken clock is still correct two times a day. White’s poor shooting is beyond injuries or health at this point. There is no excuse for shooting that bad when wide open. He is healthy now so if he has less lift from prior injuries I’m nit sympathetic as you are paid insane money to figure it out. He just sucks at shooting and it’s probably because he needs to be in rhythm and over thinks it. Can’t convince me otherwise and I don’t see it changing.

[rjv]

considering that smart was out last night, what d white was able to give boston last night was pretty impactful.

[Drom John]

FiveThirtyEight Raptor WAR playoffs:

24T) 1.2 Jaylen Brown, Nikola Jokic, Kevon Looney, Wesley Matthews, Derrick White

25T) 1.1 with more minutes than White, ST's MAX player Deandre Ayton.

[KingKev]

I don't think many folks in this thread did anything other than look at the final box score on their phones and didn't hit the "show all" toggle. White shot 4-14, but he shots 3-5 to start the game, which Boston took their lead over Miami in the first place. After that, he show poorly, but he put in eight rebounds (tied for third behind two centers), six assists (most on the team) and four stocks (tied with Hoford for most). He led the Celtics in minutes and completely erased Lowry. He shot poorly, but he didn't have a bad game.

No it was arguably his best game as a Celt. That’s a problem for me.

[Chinook]

No it was arguably his best game as a Celt. That’s a problem for me.

I think the Celtics want more from him, but I also think that those other stats and the hustle plays like drawing charges endear players to fans. I don't think Boston fans would be upset if White were a relative non-scoring glue guy.

As far as it being his best game, it might well be -- it was really good. If going by BBRef's game-score metric, however, it was this 40th-best of this season and 11th-best as a Celtic. It was even his fourth-best of this post-season. This was in many ways an average-to-above-average game for him. Hopefully it becomes way more the baseline with his scoring being over this most of the time. But he was a clear positive on the night and was very, very good when the game was actually in doubt.

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't think many folks in this thread did anything other than look at the final box score on their phones and didn't hit the "show all" toggle. White shot 4-14, but he shots 3-5 to start the game, which Boston took their lead over Miami in the first place. After that, he show poorly, but he put in eight rebounds (tied for third behind two centers), six assists (most on the team) and four stocks (tied with Hoford for most). He led the Celtics in minutes and completely erased Lowry. He shot poorly, but he didn't have a bad game.

he's not a bad player, but let's keep it real. With his inability to shoot the 3 well, he's a 2nd string PG on a playoff team who's not worth the 15-19 million that he will be paid for the next 4 years. For his value he's actually on a bad contract

[R. DeMurre]

I don't get why some people have such a hard time appreciating that a guy who doesn't shoot well can still be a net positive player because of other factors. Yes, I agree that White's 3pt% and tentativeness on offense are frustrating, but he still rates as one of the best defenders in the entire playoffs and still does other things well, which results in his overall net positive ratings. Bruce Bowen couldn't dribble, pass, or rebound, rarely blocked shots, had no mid range game at all, and had a terrible FT%... but he did the things he was good at and won three rings playing the specific role that was assigned to him. No one's saying White should start, or be an all star, but I think Brad Stevens targeted him for very specific reasons, and I imagine he's still very happy with the deal, just as the Spurs are happy with their future potential returns.

[Chinook]

he's not a bad player, but let's keep it real. With his inability to shoot the 3 well, he's a 2nd string PG on a playoff team who's not worth the 15-19 million that he will be paid for the next 4 years. For his value he's actually on a bad contract

He's going to be the fifth-highest paid player on his team next season. For a guy who even with bad shooting was their fourth-most impactful player last year, that's very good. He's not like Grant Williams, who gets hype but actually doesn't impact the game positively.

[XDT76]

He was good until the foot injury.

Nah he was good until the Spurs ask him to shoot more 3s and space the floor.

[exstatic]

Nah he was good until the Spurs ask him to shoot more 3s and space the floor.

Just look at the numbers. He shot 36% over his first 3 seasons. The end of season 3 was the bubble, where he was a monster. He was also injured and missed the last couple of games. He had off season surgery, and missed the beginning of the following season, and he only played 32 games. That short season was his high water mark for 3PA at 6.8 per game, and he still shot a respectable .344. This year, his 3PA in SA was down, 5.3 and he shot .314. In Boston, he shot even fewer, 4.3 and he shot .306. His shot falling off a cliff actually happened as his 3PA dropped.

[tmtcsc]

D. White's good enough to be serviceable on some nights, impactful on others but the majority of his games will be forgettable. He came to the Spurs with a lot of potential but he showed the team pretty quickly what he was in the Denver playoff series. He had a couple of big games but then got shut down. That was it, that was the end. If unchecked, he can do damage. Give him a little attention and he goes away. That's Derrick White. Not upset the Spurs moved away.

The current Spurs roster is built up of role players - even Dejounte Murray. There's not a star or burgeoning star in the group to build around. I don't care who gets moved and what packages are put together to attract a legit, consistent, pillar of the franchise. Until they do, the Spurs will be mired in mediocrity - right where they are.

[lefty]

White is a very good depth addition to this Boston team

Comes off the bench and does everything his coach asks him to do, plays good defense, make plays for his teammates or shoot/attack the basket when he has a good look
Outside shooting is inconsistent but Boston can afford to live with that, unlike the Spurs

It's all about context, needs and fit

[KingKev]

White is a very good depth addition to this Boston team

Comes off the bench and does everything his coach asks him to do, plays good defense, make plays for his teammates or shoot/attack the basket when he has a good look
Outside shooting is inconsistent but Boston can afford to live with that, unlike the Spurs

It's all about context, needs and fit

Didn’t they alresdy have that in JRich at way less? Plus gave up an FRP and a potentially franchise changing pick swap?

No fking way Boston is happy with that move LOL

[Mr. Body]

Didn’t they alresdy have that in JRich at way less? Plus gave up an FRP and a potentially franchise changing pick swap?

No fking way Boston is happy with that move LOL

Boston badly needed a connector, which White is very good doing. They start Marcus Smart, who is not a point guard, and their two best players are iso guys. Having someone who is able to move the ball around is invaluable to them. He's also at least a solid defender.

[XDT76]

Just look at the numbers. He shot 36% over his first 3 seasons. The end of season 3 was the bubble, where he was a monster. He was also injured and missed the last couple of games. He had off season surgery, and missed the beginning of the following season, and he only played 32 games. That short season was his high water mark for 3PA at 6.8 per game, and he still shot a respectable .344. This year, his 3PA in SA was down, 5.3 and he shot .314. In Boston, he shot even fewer, 4.3 and he shot .306. His shot falling off a cliff actually happened as his 3PA dropped.

Nah the last few years he was playing mainly as PG either as 1st team or the reserve. He needs the ball in his hand to get his confidence and play good. This year he was playing offball and it affected his effectiveness, even in Boston he is not the main ball handler and he suffers. Yesterday game was a good example he starts great by being the main ball handler and play maker. Then his role changes and ends up being a 3P shooter the rest of the game resulting in terrible 3PFG%

[DesignatedT]

White has been pretty bad since the trade but he'll likely be better next year. Solid dude and player. Still not worth that contract we gave him though. Spurs definitely made the right move on this one.

[cd98]

It's hard to adjust from the 2nd best player with a green light to the 6th/7th best player on a team and converting to a role player. But I think he has done well in his role on everything but shooting. Celtics are talking him into something stellar because if he doesn't pan out, they can't take it. But hey, I hope he turns out great for them because it only demonstrates how good the Spurs are at developing players.

[KingKev]

It's hard to adjust from the 2nd best player with a green light to the 6th/7th best player on a team and converting to a role player. But I think he has done well in his role on everything but shooting. Celtics are talking him into something stellar because if he doesn't pan out, they can't take it. But hey, I hope he turns out great for them because it only demonstrates how good the Spurs are at developing players.

He was always a role player. White is more likely an example and a testament to a system.

[RC_Drunkford]

He fits better with Boston than J-Rich because Boston doesn't have a pure PG. He's just overpaid for what he brings to the team

[R. DeMurre]

Let's look at the overall Defensive RAPTOR stat: White has the 11th best defensive rating in the entire league. Josh Richardson is 179th. Look at EPM: White is 8th in the league. Richardson is again 179th. If you use those same models but flip the analogy to offense, the comparison would be Kevin Durant (11th) vs Furkan Korkmaz (179th) or Kryie Irving (8th) vs Kentavious Caldwell-Pope (179th). Are those big differences on offense, or just small nuanced differences? White is an elite defender, and when he's on the floor with a good team that already has a clearly established offensive hierarchy (where he is the 5th option), his defense matters a lot, and his 3 pt shooting-- his biggest weakness-- matters very little. And he still brings great ball movement, a good assist-to-turnover ratio, a good 2pt%, and a great FT%. Boston is 6 wins away from an NBA championship. If they manage to win one, do you think anyone in the FO or ownership is going to say, "oh geez we might've overpaid our 6th man by a few million per?" Even if you think White is overpaid, does it matter at all in a year when the team's realistic goal is an NBA championship? No one wins a title with a team payroll of $139 million and says "ugh, I'm upset because we got a ring but the team payroll should've been $135.5 million!" In that environment, $4 mil is essentially pocket change.

[DAF86]

Didn’t they alresdy have that in JRich at way less? Plus gave up an FRP and a potentially franchise changing pick swap?

No fking way Boston is happy with that move LOL

But White is the vastly superior basketball player.

[GAustex]

DWhite making every play
Winning plays

[BatManu20]

Derrick having his best game as a Celtic tonight. He’s been huge for them on the road with Marcus Smart in foul trouble, especially defensively. Been a good offensive game for him too though.

[BatManu20]

And right as I type that he airball’s a wide open 3 and gets benched :lol

Still been great tonight though.

[lefty]

Great defense tonight

[GAustex]

There goes that man just making winning plays
Keeping his team in it as the stars struggle

[GAustex]

Haters gon hate
But they be wrong

[GAustex]

But it was a good trade
White needs smart players around to be good

[urunobili]

Will
Always root for him

[FkLA]

That's my boy :cry

He would've been an amazing complimentary piece if he had been drafted when the Spurs were still contenders.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Damn I’ve talked shit about Derrick but man I’m loving every second of this game for him. Biggest game of his life and he has showed up. Glad the world gets to see his talent.

[PhantomDashCam]

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[paperboy77]

Happy for White.

[cjw]

Not sure Celtics make finals without White this series. Great for him

[exstatic]

Not sure Celtics make finals without White this series. Great for him

They almost lost the game when he went out and didn’t return.

[John B]

Congratulations Former Spurs assistant Coaches Ime Udoka, Will Hardy and former Spur Derrick White on advancing to the NBA Finals!

[TimDunkem]

Congratulations Former Spurs assistant Coaches Ime Udoka, Will Hardy and former Spur Derrick White on advancing to the NBA Finals!
What about Spurs All-Star scrub Quinndary Weatherspoon?

[John B]

What about Spurs All-Star scrub Quinndary Weatherspoon?

:lol My bad.

I like Celtics defense better against Dubs, than the Heat. Marcus on Curry. Jalen on Thompson. I hope Pop is calling on Ime how to beat this Dub team. I always thought Spurs defended Curry the best before any other team followed, if only we had the personnel. But Celtics does. Let’s go Celtics!

[Uriel]

I'm not convinced we received enough assets to make this deal worth it. Essentially, we got the 25th pick in the draft, a one-year rental of Richardson, a rehab project in Langford, and a pick swap in 2025 (that may not even be used if we finish with a better record than them). Is that enough compensation for Derrick White?

[exstatic]

I'm not convinced we received enough assets to make this deal worth it. Essentially, we got the 25th pick in the draft, a one-year rental of Richardson, a rehab project in Langford, and a pick swap in 2025 (that may not even be used if we finish with a better record than them). Is that enough compensation for Derrick White?

Boston also ate $52M on the remainder of his contract. Most teams would charge YOU assets for that, not send any along in the deal. Derrick was a #29 pick, and we got a sure asset of a #25 pick. The pick swap,and assets for JRich are more nebulous, but possible, still.

[objective]

I hope Pop is calling on Ime how to beat this Dub team.

"Ime, take your smallest defender and switch him into Durant every time. What, they don't have Durant? Hmmm. Find someone who should be playing and then bench him."

[slick'81]

I'm not convinced we received enough assets to make this deal worth it. Essentially, we got the 25th pick in the draft, a one-year rental of Richardson, a rehab project in Langford, and a pick swap in 2025 (that may not even be used if we finish with a better record than them). Is that enough compensation for Derrick White?

more then enough. You're crazy

[objective]

I'm not convinced we received enough assets to make this deal worth it. Essentially, we got the 25th pick in the draft, a one-year rental of Richardson, a rehab project in Langford, and a pick swap in 2025 (that may not even be used if we finish with a better record than them). Is that enough compensation for Derrick White?

Probably not. I said for months before the trade that the Spurs could get a first round pick for White whenever they wanted. That's what they got, a late first in a week draft, a young bust and a vet for another season plus a phantom pick swap. Couldn't even get expiringe to have Max caproom without machinations.

For what it's worth, the pick swap is in 2028.

Maybe they can get a couple of seconds from a team with a big enough trade exception for Richardson

[dokdok]

Happy for Derrick that he found success with Boston. Hopefully Boston beats GSW!

[rankingtear]

He was hunted in switches but completely shut down their off screen shooters.

[daslicer]

Hopefully White can win it all now.

[Fireball]

Congrats to the Celtics and Derrick ... now I am at least a bit interested in watching the Finals!

[C-Dub]

Congratulations to Udoka as well!

[cjw]

Boston also ate $52M on the remainder of his contract. Most teams would charge YOU assets for that, not send any along in the deal. Derrick was a #29 pick, and we got a sure asset of a #25 pick. The pick swap,and assets for JRich are more nebulous, but possible, still.

While Boston was underperforming early in the season, the Spurs didn’t know that they’d surge to the fifth best record (three way tie). They probably pinned this pick closer to where the Raptors ended up.

But getting two late firsts out of White, Thad and an early second is fine in my book. Plus a swap and Richardson in return. Not bad.

I like White, but this was fair value if not excess value.

[jjspur]

Congrats to former spurs Udoka, White, and Hardy. They have proven to be great complimentary







pieces who rose to the top. Boston was smart to figure that out.
Boston vs. Golden State is going to be a match made in tv ratings heaven.

[Seventyniner]

The 2028 pick swap is what tells me the Celtics were the side motivated to get the deal done. That's a hell of a risk for them to take, albeit a remote one.

[CGD]

The 2028 pick swap is what tells me the Celtics were the side motivated to get the deal done. That's a hell of a risk for them to take, albeit a remote one.

It will be immaterial if they win this chip. All worth it regardless if they end up coughing up 3rd pick in that distant draft

[CGD]

Congrats to former spurs Udoka, White, and Hardy. They have proven to be great complimentary







pieces who rose to the top. Boston was smart to figure that out.
Boston vs. Golden State is going to be a match made in tv ratings heaven.

Indeed, BOS needed that winning Spurs DNA to make it happen.

[CGD]

Congrats to the Celtics and Derrick ... now I am at least a bit interested in watching the Finals!

Huge boost for spurs program. If they trade other young guys they can tell them with credibility they send folks to winning situations

[slick'81]

Skip bayless roasting pop for destroying derricks confidence

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Skip bayless roasting pop for destroying derricks confidence

Skip is a loser who doesn’t know what he is taking about with the SPURS.

[Chinook]

Probably not. I said for months before the trade that the Spurs could get a first round pick for White whenever they wanted. That's what they got, a late first in a week draft, a young bust and a vet for another season plus a phantom pick swap. Couldn't even get expiringe to have Max caproom without machinations.

For what it's worth, the pick swap is in 2028.

Maybe they can get a couple of seconds from a team with a big enough trade exception for Richardson

Yeah, I wanted them to wait until the draft to pull the trigger on a White trade. But unless I knew that Derrick would be enough to have the Spurs make the playoffs, I'm okay that they didn't. It might have improved their pick a bit more to have him, and they were able to give quality minutes to Primo and Vassell as a result of the trade. I wish they didn't have to take back Langford -- it's basically like they never waived Samanic in the first place now -- but I do like Richardson and think he gives the Spurs option value to work more trades or to try to make the playoffs with an aggressive off-season. That's not nothing.

[exstatic]

Skip bayless roasting pop for destroying derricks confidence

Skip getting roasted and ratioed in turn.

[GAustex]

I am sure White is happy he is out of Pops shitshow

[daslicer]

Skip is a loser who doesn’t know what he is taking about with the SPURS.

It's a slow news day. He has to manufacture bs to get attention and I say this as someone who doesn't like Pop.

[RC_Drunkford]

I'm not convinced we received enough assets to make this deal worth it. Essentially, we got the 25th pick in the draft, a one-year rental of Richardson, a rehab project in Langford, and a pick swap in 2025 (that may not even be used if we finish with a better record than them). Is that enough compensation for Derrick White?

lol they massively overpaid

[John B]

Skip is a loser who doesn’t know what he is taking about with the SPURS.

Skips probably an ST poster. This is where you find those Pop haters :lol

[offset formation]

Skip bayless roasting pop for destroying derricks confidence

Uncle started blowing Skip evidently and giving him insider neph tidbits (skip knew all about his injury first of all ppl) to get him to back off roasting him on his show everyday, now he's dogging Pop every chance he gets. Skip went from lambasting nephew at each opportunity he could to praising him.

Too funny it's so transparent. What a stooge that guy is.

[DAF86]

You can always tell the posters that analyze basketball on a superficial level from those that see beyond the obvious, by looking at which players they support/criticize.

Always be on the other side of guys that criticize players like White or Poeltl, tbh.

[Chinook]

You can always tell the posters that analyze basketball on a superficial level from those that see beyond the obvious, by looking at which players they support/criticize.

Always be on the other side of guys that criticize players like White or Poeltl, tbh.

Eh, both Derrick and Jakob are worthy of their levels of criticism and skepticism. I think a lot of people go overboard -- especially on White. But I also think it'd be foolish to not admit their useful but limited players.

It's like how the Spurs arguably won the Bertans trade just by not being tempted to give him a huge contract. He did some good things and had decent stats, but his limitations and attitude issues became glaring, and he is one of the worst contracts in the NBA as a result.

[R. DeMurre]

You can always tell the posters that analyze basketball on a superficial level from those that see beyond the obvious, by looking at which players they support/criticize.

Always be on the other side of guys that criticize players like White or Poeltl, tbh.


Brad Stevens & Ime saw Derrick clearly for the role of 6th/7th man/defender/connector, and it has worked out perfectly for them. Every & any metric you could possibly look at says it's a successful pairing. It'll always be a <what if?> situation with the Spurs, where Kawhi stays, Dejounte improves, and other moves are made, but in a similar scenario he'd probably do the same for that What If Spurs team. I agree though, it is amazing that there are still people absolutely convinced that Josh Richardson is the better player. A guy who has been traded from 4 consecutive playoff teams. The Celtics could win a championship this year with White in the positive for every impact stat imaginable, and there would still be people who say he sucks he only scores 12 points per game. Hell, even if they don't win a chip, it's a successful year! They're in the finals.

[talkspurs]

Eh, both Derrick and Jakob are worthy of their levels of criticism and skepticism. I think a lot of people go overboard -- especially on White. But I also think it'd be foolish to not admit their useful but limited players.

It's like how the Spurs arguably won the Bertans trade just by not being tempted to give him a huge contract. He did some good things and had decent stats, but his limitations and attitude issues became glaring, and he is one of the worst contracts in the NBA as a result.

how would you say we won the bertans trade instead of just not resigning him the next summer?

[slick'81]

https://youtu.be/d8EG3Lg4YbA

[Spurs Homer]

Good for white - he goes to the Finals!

Good for the Spurs - for all the reasons already mentioned...

I am not holding my breath - but it would be REALLY REALLY nice if D White plays out of his mind and helps the Celtics beat those gs phaggots!

[DAF86]

Eh, both Derrick and Jakob are worthy of their levels of criticism and skepticism. I think a lot of people go overboard -- especially on White. But I also think it'd be foolish to not admit their useful but limited players.

It's like how the Spurs arguably won the Bertans trade just by not being tempted to give him a huge contract. He did some good things and had decent stats, but his limitations and attitude issues became glaring, and he is one of the worst contracts in the NBA as a result.

I'm not saying White or Poeltl are perfect players. I'm saying that folks that think Richardson or Mo Bamba are better players than them, aren't good at analyzing players.

[Chinook]

how would you say we won the bertans trade instead of just not resigning him the next summer?

Because they didn't have to deal with the temptation of re-signing him. He's basically identical to McDermott statistically over the past three seasons, and he's owed $11M-$22M more. Should the Spurs have just used the MLE on Carroll and then tried to rope Boston and Brooklyn into a deal for Morris? Yes. They might well have gotten Marcus to sign given that they would have had extra money to offer, and they would have avoided the extra dead money on Carroll's salary. But as time has gone on, I've been increasingly glad they got rid of Bertans and didn't get saddled with that $80M/5 contract.

[Chinook]

I'm not saying White or Poeltl are perfect players. I'm saying that folks that think Richardson or Mo Bamba are better players than them, aren't good at analyzing players.

Definitely. Derrick and Jakob were two of their three-best players going into last season. Richardson will hopefully not crack the top five this season. If they trade Poeltl, they should be doing so because they got a good offer, not because they believe they can upgrade in free agency easily.

[talkspurs]

Because they didn't have to deal with the temptation of re-signing him. He's basically identical to McDermott statistically over the past three seasons, and he's owed $11M-$22M more. Should the Spurs have just used the MLE on Carroll and then tried to rope Boston and Brooklyn into a deal for Morris? Yes. They might well have gotten Marcus to sign given that they would have had extra money to offer, and they would have avoided the extra dead money on Carroll's salary. But as time has gone on, I've been increasingly glad they got rid of Bertans and didn't get saddled with that $80M/5 contract.

who knows how much he would have gotten on the Spurs plus we would not have had to resign him. We could have just let him walk or do a sign and trade not in duress. Plus we would not have had to pay carrol buyout. or signed and payed trey lyles.

[Chinook]

who knows how much he would have gotten on the Spurs plus we would not have had to resign him. We could have just let him walk or do a sign and trade not in duress. Plus we would not have had to pay carrol buyout. or signed and payed trey lyles.

Assuming Carroll was going to bust, they would have saved money by using the MLE. They had to get him to sign a three-year deal to make an S&T legal, and they gave him a bit more money to get him to commit to the extra season. Heck, his contract might have been more moveable had it been one more year on it than two. It's definitely not a clean-cut what if.

I prefer them having had Lyles and now be done with it over having Bertans. He's another guy who's basically had the same impact that Davis had over the past few years.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm not saying White or Poeltl are perfect players. I'm saying that folks that think Richardson or Mo Bamba are better players than them, aren't good at analyzing players.

I don't think Richardson is better than White in a vaccum but for the Spurs I don't think its as cut and dry. The other comparison is just laughable though.

[KingKev]

I’m loving this new Spurstalk narrative that the Spurs had such a major impact on the Celtics success LOL.

[Ariel]

I just hope for the sake of this thread that we don't end up using no. 25 on Caleb Houstan... if Boston wins and he's our pick at 25, this is going down in flames... Lord have mercy on our souls...

[R. DeMurre]

I’m loving this new Spurstalk narrative that the Spurs had such a major impact on the Celtics success LOL.


I don't think anyone here has said "major." Upgrading your 6th/7th man is a subtle & nuanced tweak.

[KingKev]

I don't think anyone here has said "major." Upgrading your 6th/7th man is a subtle & nuanced tweak.

Lots of chatter about Spurs winning culture and how White, Udoka and Hardy…

[exstatic]

Lots of chatter about Spurs winning culture and how White, Udoka and Hardy…

And? They had a shit ton of high picks from the KG/Pierce trade, decent coaching under Stevens, and this is still their first Finals since 2010. They lost 3 ECFs, win it this year, and you don’t think Udoka had anything to do with that? They were a selfish squad, which is why they lost deep in the playoffs. He got them to share the ball. It was a struggle early in the year, but they got through it.

[rjv]

I’m loving this new Spurstalk narrative that the Spurs had such a major impact on the Celtics success LOL.

i've never heard anyone imply that the spurs had a "major impact"; i guess one can infer that but that'd be a bit of a strawman.

[KingKev]

And? They had a shit ton of high picks from the KG/Pierce trade, decent coaching under Stevens, and this is still their first Finals since 2010. They lost 3 ECFs, win it this year, and you don’t think Udoka had anything to do with that? They were a selfish squad, which is why they lost deep in the playoffs. He got them to share the ball. It was a struggle early in the year, but they got through it.

Udoka is a solid coach and White has contributed to their run. I just find it funny many in the board patting the Spurs in the back for another teams accomplishments.

[Chinook]

Udoka is a solid coach and White has contributed to their run. I just find it funny many in the board patting the Spurs in the back for another teams accomplishments.

The board is not doing that. What I think some posters are doing is pointing out how many posters are consistently wrong about White. White's a really good player, and Boston should have never been disappointed in what they got from him. Now that the one thing he wasn't doing at a high level recovered a bit, it's very obvious. He's really helped them, and it was a good trade for them. Acknowledging that would be like Hornets fans acknowledging that them waiving Boris Diaw helped the Spurs to a championship. Boris was a really helpful player for the Spurs. Was he the star? No. Was he one of the stars? No. Could they have won without him? Possibly. Did they have an easier time because they had him? Undoubtedly.

Thinking that White's peak was Game Three of the ECF was already wrong when the thought occurred, but if one holds that view, then it's not hard to believe they'd think people talking about how good White is are overhyping him and thus the trade. White had played better before and has played better since, but views on him weren't created in just one post-season, and criticism of him isn't always unfounded. But if White's the Celtics version of 2012-2014 Boris Diaw, then the trade absolutely played a part in the team's assent. To acknowledge that on a board that still can't let go of the Leonard trade or even the fucking Scola trade is just inevitable. Sters are going to pick apart every carcass that is part of the team's history.

[slick'81]

Udoka is a solid coach and White has contributed to their run. I just find it funny many in the board patting the Spurs in the back for another teams accomplishments.


spur fan is vicariously living through white atm:lol

[KingKev]

White is going to be left open from 3 all series long that is for sure.

[spurraider21]

white can hit the game winning 3 pointer in overtime of game 7 of the nba finals and i would still be very pleased with the trade

white is more useful to the celtics in a 6th man role than he was to the spurs. getting a first and another player in richardson who can either produce or himself be flipped for a first is a big win for a team still in the rebuilding phase of things

[GAustex]

Mark Jackson “There goes that man!”

[CGD]

Mark Jackson “There goes that man!”

I’m ready for Jackson to retire…

[emanueldavidginobili]

So happy for Derrick. I hope they pull this win off.

[Uriel]

Breaks my heart to see Derrick killing it for another team. He was our guy.

[KingKev]

I’ll eat my crow White showing up in both ends of the floor in the highest stage. I said earlier they were going to dare him to shoot the 3, everyone knew it and he responded.

[Uriel]

White will lead the Celtics to a championship, and some people on SpursTalk will still say that Boston overpaid for him :rolleyes

[Robz4000]

:cry DWhite :cry

[Mugen]

My man DWhite, happy for that huge dome tbh.

[baseline bum]

Breaks my heart to see Derrick killing it for another team. He was our guy.

Nah man I'm happy as hell for him tonight. Glad to see him on a contender.

[baseline bum]

My man DWhite, happy for that huge dome tbh.

Love to see him get three more wins this series so he can hold Larry, especially with how much of an assassin he was tonight.

[CGD]

White will lead the Celtics to a championship, and some people on SpursTalk will still say that Boston overpaid for him :rolleyes

Honestly, I hear the overpay thing more from Boston people like that homer Bill Simmons.

[lefty]

White dangling his big dick in this forum

[MVPCues]

I hope he has 3 more games like this in him. Maybe two years in a row Spurs trade a player and the receiving team gets a chip.

[lefty]

White is going to be left open from 3 all series long that is for sure.
Well….

[Spursfanfromafar]

Warms my heart to see Derrick White shining at the brightest of stages. He was my pick for the first homegrown all star since nephew left and somehow injuries and a shooting slump did not help. But he was so good on other aspects of his game that he was always a net positive. I dont begrudge the trade. The Spurs need to build through the draft and rebuilding is painful. But good for White. He landed in a team oriented system that minimised his flaws and he has come through.

[MI21]

Great job fivehead, it was a 100% certainty that he is a championship caliber role player. Fuck the Warriors.

[Leetonidas]

Always nice to see former spurs fucking over the Warriors and their fans

[widowmaker]

White dangling his big dick in this forum


Well shit man go ahead and shove it in your mouth.

[Ice009]

I was upset with Derrick because I knew he was better than what he was showing. His first playoffs with the Spurs, as probably most here, I thought he showed great flashes. At times, I thought he was better than Demar in that Denver series. It's his shooting that went down at some point, and I'm guessing he lost some confidence. I thought he was a good shooter his first few years with the Spurs. I wonder if his foot injuries messed up his shot and then he lost confidence because of it. He was a pretty decent shooter IMO. maybe not great shooter, but very decent. It looks like it's coming back as he's had some good shooting games in the playoffs.

Hopefully he can regain his shooting form because if he does, he'll be an amazing 3rd or 4th option for the Celtics going forward. I knew he did all the other stuff (moving the ball, penetrating, passing to the open man, taking charges, playing defense), it's just his shot that was holding him back. It really was a great trade for Boston as those other qualities of his can still help a team if he's anywhere from the 3rd to 4th option, whereas on the Spurs, if he was having a bad shooting night, it was tougher to deal with due to the lack of scorers we have. I also like what Josh Richardson did for the Spurs, so I don't believe we got fleeced in the trade. Boston definitely didn't overpay, as even if he's not shooting well, he's been a very cohesive player for them and helps a great deal with team unity (I'm sure his teammates would really like him as a person too). Boston made amazing trades this season. Gotta give them credit for it.

[Degoat]

DWhite was always one of my favorite players I miss him on my spurs but glad he’s having success at a high level. Both teams won that trade imo spurs got draft capital and the Celtics got an elite role player

[Uriel]

We got the 25th pick in a weak draft. That was the centerpiece of that deal from our end. I hardly consider that fair compensation for Derrick White.

Sure, if the pick swap ends up yielding a lottery pick or something, then that would be completely different. But at this stage, that pick swap seems so far away, and it’s not even guaranteed we’ll even use it.

[Spurs Homer]

We got the 25th pick in a weak draft. That was the centerpiece of that deal from our end. I hardly consider that fair compensation for Derrick White.

Sure, if the pick swap ends up yielding a lottery pick or something, then that would be completely different. But at this stage, that pick swap seems so far away, and it’s not even guaranteed we’ll even use it.

nah

j rich by himself
was worth the trade!

good trade for white
good trade for celts
good trade for spurs

[John B]

Happy to see a homegrown player giving it to the Warriors and fans. I hope he continues to have great games.

[SAGirl]

So satisfying to see Dwhite burying GSW. May this continue all series!

[tmtcsc]

As soon as White gets any defensive attention or respect from GS, he'll fold. That's what he does and thats what he did in SA. I have no problem with the trade. I picked Boston in 6 & never gave him a thought to be a contributor A flash game from him is a bonus. Its time to move on from the other inconsistent Spurs like LWalker IV. Get some competitive dawgs on the roster. Players who care.

[BatManu20]

Man I’ll gladly eat crow on D-White if he keeps playing like this. Best game of his career as a Celtic. Hit huge, timely shots during that comeback (and before to keep his team in the game) and played great defense for the most part. Love Derrick and will always root for his success. Really hope Boston win this series. Let’s see if he can do keep playing well.

[Fireball]

Again, congrats to Derrick who once again made a difference. Younger players sometimes flame out at some point in the playoffs as the intensity increases with each round. Glad to see Derricks game translated into the Finals in his first long playoff run of his career! Go Celtics!

[TDMVPDPOY]

if dw played like this every game, he still be a spurm player...but too bad he had teh opportunity but fail...same could be said about current chimps on the roster

[Ice009]

As soon as White gets any defensive attention or respect from GS, he'll fold. That's what he does and thats what he did in SA. I have no problem with the trade. I picked Boston in 6 & never gave him a thought to be a contributor A flash game from him is a bonus. Its time to move on from the other inconsistent Spurs like LWalker IV. Get some competitive dawgs on the roster. Players who care.

Do you not think Derrick was pretty good for the Spurs his first couple of seasons when he got major court time (I thought he was)? I think his foot injuries put him off the trajectory he was on. He was shooting decent before them, so maybe he is just now regaining both his confidence and form. Let's see how he goes before completely writing him off. He was big in the last 3 games of the Miami series and big again last night. I am pretty sure at one point when he was still with the Spurs, his confidence was shot. It looks like he's slowly regaining it. I'm also wondering if the foot injuries have changed his shot and if he's still sort of trying to get back to being a more consistent shooter.

[couchman]

This thread is hilarious with the roller coaster of negative/positive takes every time DWhite has a great or horrible game.
DWhite is who he has always been; a plus player because of everything he does on defense and passing, and an extremely inconsistent shooter who has more bad shooting nights than good ones.
When he shoots well he's one of the best players in any game he enters. When he doesn't he is still a solid role player. Most of the time he is the latter.
I loved DWhite as a Spur, and I think he was a bad fit on a bad team with not enough shooting.

I'm rooting for him to win a chip and eat some baked beans or whatever they do in Boston.

J Rich fits our roster needs better, and he and the 25th pick might be useful assets.
There's an argument to be made that the Spurs pick and develop better later in the draft than they do in the late lottery, so don't sleep on the 25th pick if we use it.
DWhite was the 29th pick in 2017

[couchman]

This thread is hilarious with the roller coaster of negative/positive takes every time DWhite has a great or horrible game.
DWhite is who he has always been; a plus player because of everything he does on defense and passing, and an extremely inconsistent shooter who has more bad shooting nights than good ones.
When he shoots well he's one of the best players in any game he enters. When he doesn't he is still a solid role player. Most of the time he is the latter.
I loved DWhite as a Spur, and I think he was a bad fit on a bad team with not enough shooting.

I'm rooting for him to win a chip and eat some baked beans or whatever they do in Boston.

J Rich fits our roster needs better, and he and the 25th pick might be useful assets.
There's an argument to be made that the Spurs pick and develop better later in the draft than they do in the late lottery, so don't sleep on the 25th pick if we use it.
DWhite was the 29th pick in 2017

[KobesAchilles]

How many Finals MVPs are we going to trade away for nothing :lmao

[exstatic]

Honestly, I hear the overpay thing more from Boston people like that homer Bill Simmons.

Simmons is the ultimate casual…

[TDomination]

Didn’t watch the game but just saw the highlights on YouTube just now. Very happy for dwhite!
i always loved him and for him to show off his talents on the biggest stage in basketball is awesome! Based on the highlights, not only did he contribute but seemed to be one of the main reasons they won.

i hope white has 3 more of those games in him!

[Atl Spur]

Some people in here…………. It was a good trade for both teams:)

[MannyIsGod]

White will lead the Celtics to a championship, and some people on SpursTalk will still say that Boston overpaid for him :rolleyes

LEAD? lmao! Incredible.

[MannyIsGod]

I don't think anyone here has said "major." Upgrading your 6th/7th man is a subtle & nuanced tweak.

I don't konw man, the post I literally quoted above said Derrick is LEADING the Celtics.

[MannyIsGod]

Simmons is the ultimate casual…


This is ridiculous. Dude is a Boston homer but dude definitely knows more about basketball than a lot of people.

[MannyIsGod]

We got the 25th pick in a weak draft. That was the centerpiece of that deal from our end. I hardly consider that fair compensation for Derrick White.

Sure, if the pick swap ends up yielding a lottery pick or something, then that would be completely different. But at this stage, that pick swap seems so far away, and it’s not even guaranteed we’ll even use it.

Its almost like you're leaving out another very big part of hte trade or something.

[rjv]

score one for d white and klingons everywhere!

[8sy21vd]

Getting a late first + a solid rotation player in Richardson + a project in Romeo + Pick swap option down the road was a good return. They also moved off White's salary. We know the Spurs aren't going to be contenders anytime soon so White's value to a playoff contender like the C's is far higher than to a play-in contender like the Spurs.

But it is hilarious reading this thread hating on White. Dude balling out in the NBA finals but posters saying 'just you watch, he'll suck again". Meanwhile, the Spurs highlight of the last two seasons was scrubbing it up in a play-in game lol. White is very streaky on offense so maybe he won't play another good offensive game but the C's won big because they wouldn't be in the Finals and have a real chance to win a championship without White.

[RC_Drunkford]

great game by Derrick. Like I said the trade was great, both teams got better. It was just about fit

[KingKev]

White is going to have every opportunity to be a hero in game two also.

[rjv]

what stood out to me most about about d-white last night was how poised he looked for someone who was playing in his first finals game.

[SAGirl]

Honestly White is a veteran, he has been in the playoffs with less talented teams, which means he has been in situations where he has been asked to do too much for example. His shooting is the inconsistent thing. He always brings effort and hustle.

Thinking about it, he didn’t play in the last two play in appearances for the Spurs, the most recent one because he was traded, and the year before he was injured while Demar and Dejounte chucked away and came up empty. Have to be honest. The last time he played in elimination type games for the Spurs was the NBA bubble, where he was absolutely fantastic, actually shot the ball well and looked like the Spurs best player for the entire bubble playing like a star. He was as confident as he was in this last Celtics game.

Cheering for him at home. :lobt:

[tmtcsc]

He does a lot of things well and has a complete game. He started off great with the Spurs in the playoff series against Denver. He was keeping up with Jamal Murray but as soon they needed him to step up, he shrank. He was never a leader or go to player. Like someone else mentioned, he needed to be on another team with better players so he could shine in pockets - not consistently. I really don’t think there was anything to the foot injury causing his confidence to be shot. He’s just inconsistent. His offensive highs are high though and he is a solid defensive player. He’s just better off on another team. The Spurs needed more for him & he was a high level role player they couldn’t afford.

[The Truth #6]

Derrick White had a really good game. Boston should be happy they won a game in the Finals due to his contribution. For that alone, this erases a lot of his mediocre play up until now and makes the trade worth it for them, honestly. I hope he continues to do well, but based on prior history, this may be his isolated good game, and then he reverts to old ways. But we'll see. The Boston players are intense and probably more likely to push him than our players did. But more importantly, this is his best role, as a role player on a great team. This reminds me of Danny Green getting hot versus the Heat in 13. He goes hot and cold. We'll see if he stays hot.

[rjv]

Derrick White had a really good game. Boston should be happy they won a game in the Finals due to his contribution. For that alone, this erases a lot of his mediocre play up until now and makes the trade worth it for them, honestly. I hope he continues to do well, but based on prior history, this may be his isolated good game, and then he reverts to old ways. But we'll see. The Boston players are intense and probably more likely to push him than our players did. But more importantly, this is his best role, as a role player on a great team. This reminds me of Danny Green getting hot versus the Heat in 13. He goes hot and cold. We'll see if he stays hot.

i don't think this was an isolated game. white was pretty solid, overall, in the heat series as well.

[SAGirl]

I am enjoying the warriors losing so much that I may just jinx the Celtics. I hope no. Lol
I feel like I have to reign in my cheering. This thing is far from over still. I dont think the warriors will key in on White. They have better players to worry about. If they do, TAtum will roast them and I am hoping he does. The Celtics have actually faced some good teams to get to this series and I think it has prepared them adequately for this, but I still have the superstititious fan factors lol
Leaving this here:
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[rjv]

the warriors don't respect white, as evidenced by their leaving him wide open and draymond's post-game comments, so i hope that white makes them pay for it (and horford, too).

[spurraider21]

white can hit the game winning 3 pointer in overtime of game 7 of the nba finals and i would still be very pleased with the trade

white is more useful to the celtics in a 6th man role than he was to the spurs. getting a first and another player in richardson who can either produce or himself be flipped for a first is a big win for a team still in the rebuilding phase of things

[Brazil]

How many Finals MVPs are we going to trade away for nothing :lmao

:lol tbh...

[Brazil]

Not the thread but I'm really impressed by Udoka, Celts are playing good solid basketball sharing the ball. Udoka is as good as a coach as he was bad as a player tbh... Hopefully he will coach the Spurs one day

[The Truth #6]

i don't think this was an isolated game. white was pretty solid, overall, in the heat series as well.

I suppose I was thinking about big scoring games. He always does the little things, which is good.

[PhantomDashCam]

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-rumors-celtics-viewed-derrick-173500003.html

From the latest Lowe podcast:


"The Celtics were 32-25 when they made that trade," Lowe began. "Their surge was beginning, but it was not super obvious that they were a juggernaut in the making. They had looked really good, but their schedule had been pretty easy. You couldn't, from the outside, just automatically conclude that this was a juggernaut waiting to happen."
"Internally, the Celtics thought, 'We've figured something out, and we think we're really, really good. And we view this Derrick White trade not like you view it in this sort of cold, calculating way. ... We view it as, we might be able to win the championship. This might be our once piece away, and if we have to overpay a little bit, we don't care, because we think we're that good.'"

[BatManu20]

Derrick back to looking like hot garbage. Dude is so bipolar and plays scared so often. You hate to see it.

[Robz4000]

Derrick back to looking like hot garbage. Dude is so bipolar and plays scared so often. You hate to see it.

The officials have got in his head, as well as the rest of the Celtics tbh.

[BatManu20]

The officials have got in his head, as well as the rest of the Celtics tbh.

The officials have been horrendous thus far. Some serious home-cookin’ going on.

[GAustex]

Three straight winning plays
Pass for a layup
Mid range
Three
“”Mama there goes that man”

[BatManu20]

Tatum needs to wake up. Dude is a turnover machine. Has been all playoffs.

[BatManu20]

Derrick just air-balled a wide open 3 and then got benched lol.

[John B]

Derrick looks good out there. If that 3 pt went in, I’d be protesting this trade :lol:lol

[CGD]

Derrick back to looking like hot garbage. Dude is so bipolar and plays scared so often. You hate to see it.

What game are you watching man, lol. He’s made numerous winning plays today.

[John B]

I think Derrick’s playing good could help the cause for trading for ex-Spurs players. I know teams already covets ex-Spurs as good character glue players. Now if only that helps with unloading Poeltl for a high pick :lol:lol

[CGD]

Derrick just air-balled a wide open 3 and then got benched lol.

Lol. Did you watch that play? They threw him the ball in a crowd with 2 seconds left on the clock and he had to hoist it.

[BatManu20]

What game are you watching man, lol. He’s made numerous winning plays today.

I posted that late in the 1st Qtr. He played much better in the 2nd qtr beside the missed layup and air-balled 3.

[BatManu20]

Derrick having another stinker tonight offensively. 3/10 shooting and ALL his misses have been wide open except for one missed layup that he should’ve made also. He’s been solid defensively for the most part, but he’s killin the C’s on offense.

[slick'81]

Derrick having another stinker tonight offensively. 3/10 shooting and ALL his misses have been wide open except for one missed layup that he should’ve made also. He’s been solid defensively for the most part, but he’s killin the C’s on offense.


thats his mo,nothings changed

[KingKev]

Derrick having another stinker tonight offensively. 3/10 shooting and ALL his misses have been wide open except for one missed layup that he should’ve made also. He’s been solid defensively for the most part, but he’s killin the C’s on offense.

A team worst -12

[Ice009]

He's consistent in all other areas, just not with shooting. If he could start hitting shots consistently, he'd be really, really good.

I still think the foot injuries have affected his shot and/or confidence shooting it. He wasn't the greatest shooter before, but he was much better (at least more consistent) than what he's shown these past couple of years.

[R. DeMurre]

White wasn't brought to Boston by Brad Stevens and Ime Udoka to be Steph Curry or even Buddy Hield. They knew he wasn't a great three point shooter. He was brought on because he plays defense and isn't a ball stopper on offense. Sure, they'd be thrilled if he could shoot 36% rather than 30%, but that's not his principle job. His +/- numbers for the seven games against Milwaukee were -8, +22, +9, +18, +8, +9, +10. That's why he was brought there. He makes them a better team.


LOL. His 3pt % is closer to 25% in the playoffs and his +\- relative to the point differential is nothing to brag about.


I'd say posting positive +/- numbers in two loses is actually something to brag about. 3pt% is always going to waver in small sample sizes. But again, he wasn't brought there to be a 3pt wizard. One example: Last night in the Phoenix game, Dallas continually hunted Chris Paul on defense. Teams aren't going to do that to White. And I'd argue that White's temperament, which could be frustrating if he's one of your starters, is actually an advantage as a bench player. White's never going to makes waves complaining that he should get more shots. He knows that the hierarchy is set on that team, and has no inclination to mess with it. He's a perfect 6th/7th man on a good team.


White’s advanced analytics were through the roof in that blowout win in game 2.


Brad Stevens & Ime saw Derrick clearly for the role of 6th/7th man/defender/connector, and it has worked out perfectly for them. Every & any metric you could possibly look at says it's a successful pairing. It'll always be a <what if?> situation with the Spurs, where Kawhi stays, Dejounte improves, and other moves are made, but in a similar scenario he'd probably do the same for that What If Spurs team. I agree though, it is amazing that there are still people absolutely convinced that Josh Richardson is the better player. A guy who has been traded from 4 consecutive playoff teams. The Celtics could win a championship this year with White in the positive for every impact stat imaginable, and there would still be people who say he sucks he only scores 12 points per game. Hell, even if they don't win a chip, it's a successful year! They're in the finals.


A team worst -12


I feel like you're trying to have it both ways here-- when D White has the best +/-, you write it off as insignificant, but when he has the worst +/- in a win, you use it as a stat to bolster your argument against him. If his net negative status in a win is meaningful, then I'd say it's hard to argue that his generally very positive +/- status isn't meaningful, right?

[KingKev]

I feel like you're trying to have it both ways here-- when D White has the best +/-, you write it off as insignificant, but when he has the worst +/- in a loss, you use it as a stat to bolster your argument against him. If his net negative status in a win is meaningful, then I'd say it's hard to argue that his generally very positive +/- status isn't meaningful, right?

My argument is that D White is a decent role player, who is easily replaceable. On many nights he is a basically a rounding error.

[R. DeMurre]

My argument is that D White is a decent role player, who is easily replaceable. On many nights he is a basically a rounding error.


Understandable... and I'm on record in this thread saying it was a good trade for both teams. My only debate is with people don't differentiate between a poor shooting year and an overall poor performance-- the first of which I think is an honest assessment of Derrick, and the second of which i think is simply not accurate.

[KingKev]

Understandable... and I'm on record in this thread saying it was a good trade for both teams. My only debate is with people don't differentiate between a poor shooting year and an overall poor performance-- the first of which I think is an honest assessment of Derrick, and the second of which i think is simply not accurate.

Agreed. He seems like a great guy but watching him shoot brick after brick is frustrating. I was pounding rhe table all season long to move him and I’m quite impressed with the return.

[Ice009]

He's consistent in all other areas, just not with shooting. If he could start hitting shots consistently, he'd be really, really good. He has still been doing his usual thing when it comes to defense, passing, taking charges etc.

I still think the foot injuries have affected his shot and/or maybe also a little decline in confidence shooting the ball. He wasn't the greatest shooter before, but he was much better (at least more consistent) than what he's shown these past couple of years.

[rjv]

d white is a solid niche player but struggled to find that niche here in SA. he's perfect for what Boston needed though.

[Mr. Body]

White's shooting is a bonus. Of course it's great if he's hitting, but he's invaluable to this Celtics team in 1) his passing and circulation of the ball for a team that struggles with ball sticking, 2) his defense, both on the perimeter but particularly the interior, and 3) his intangibles. As we know, Derrick is a guy who simply makes plays. He's a role-player, to be sure, but he's fitting what they need very well. So even if he's not hitting shots, he's still a threat from deep; but he does so much otherwise.

[rascal]

Beware trading with the Spurs. They seldom trade anything of value, exception was Kawhi as he forced himself out.

Off a Celtic board.

After a really good game 1, White's back to playing how he did in the regular season (which I thought was ok at best and not good enough to justify the cost of the trade).

Games 2-4 in the finals --> -17 in Game 2 (only player with a worse number was Tatum at -36), 4-13 with only 2 assists and 3 TOs; -12 in Game 3 (the only Celtic with a "-"), 3-9 with 2 assist and 1 TO; -19 ('led' the team in that category) in Game 4, 4-12 with 1 asst and 3 TOs.

just not getting it done. people all season liked to bring up his +/- just take attention from his shooting woes but now he's not even able to support that argument

[The Truth #6]

His breakthrough games should be cherished but never counted on. He’s a 7th man on a Finals team and that’s his best role. He was our second best player. Yikes.

[rascal]

The Celtics choked the last 7 minutes of Game 4 and White was on the floor, did absolutely nothing,
stood on the 3 point line in the corner most of the time on offense, barely touched the ball other than an airball 3 point corner shot.

[slick'81]

The Celtics choked the last 7 minutes of Game 4 and White was on the floor, did absolutely nothing,
stood on the 3 point line in the corner most of the time on offense, barely touched the ball other than an airball 3 point corner shot.


and its not like hes stopping curry anytime soon.

[MannyIsGod]

Whites been fine. No Celtics fan can really complain about him honestly. But this is what he is. Am above average role player.

[Chinook]

The obsession of making every game a referendum on White is ridiculous. He's already shown he's a guy who can swing games for them. He doesn't have to do more to make it a good trade for the Celtics. For the Spurs, they'll have to do good things with the pieces they got. That's it. White's a good player, and he's been showing that. Some folks are just so deep in their need to feel vindicated that they're trying to find any piece of evidence to support their busted position.

[slick'81]

Yea i dont get the spur sniffers constantly defending him and the haters tearing him down. He is a nice "role" player,nothing more needs to be said.


seems just like yesterday :cry....
https://youtu.be/TZ2Payw3V5Q

[CGD]

It’s unfair to put it all on White. Tatum and Brown are mental midgets that shrink in big moments, and, honestly, the guy that kills them more often than not is Smart. It is befuddling how sloppy and turnover prone this Boston team can be. Take care the the freakin ball for Gods sakes!

Where’s the accountability for those guy?

[rascal]

It’s unfair to put it all on White. Tatum and Brown are mental midgets that shrink in big moments, and, honestly, the guy that kills them more often than not is Smart. It is befuddling how sloppy and turnover prone this Boston team can be. Take care the the freakin ball for Gods sakes!

Where’s the accountability for those guy?

The accountability is there on the Boston site but this is the White thread.

[BatManu20]

Poor Derrick’s gonna remain ring-less it looks like. Steph Curry has all but sealed this chip for GS. And Tatum looks like the most overrated star player in the league right now. Boston’s offense just ain’t good enough.

[CGD]

The warriors are very very beatable. Boston just kills themselves to be honest

[Amuseddaysleeper]

The warriors are very very beatable. Boston just kills themselves to be honest

Agreed

Tatum struggling like crazy and it is still a tied series

[daslicer]

The warriors are very very beatable. Boston just kills themselves to be honest

Warriors remind me of the ‘04 Lakers. That Lakers team wasn’t that good but their mystique and some luck carried them to the finals. I felt the Lakers won a bunch of playoff games that year based on teams being scared of what they once used to be not who they actually are. Celtics I feel at times play scared against the Warriors. This was evident in the 4 quarter of game 4 when they couldn’t score for long stretches.

[CGD]

Warriors remind me of the ‘04 Lakers. That Lakers team wasn’t that good but their mystique and some luck carried them to the finals. I felt the Lakers won a bunch of playoff games that year based on teams being scared of what they once used to be not who they actually are. Celtics I feel at times play scared against the Warriors. This was evident in the 4 quarter of game 4 when they couldn’t score for long stretches.

Curry is obviously, in my view, still the best player in this series. It’s just the drop off of Klay and Green is very noticeable.

Boston reminds me of that young buck team knocking at the door, but clearly has wobbly knees. The Bucks had it last year too. Hell the first Spurs championship team had it. It ain’t always pretty and their are many mistakes they have to survive to win it all.

If they are able to win this year, though, they’ll definitely take a massive confidence leap for years to come (much like Giannis and those guys did this year).

[daslicer]

Curry is obviously, in my view, still the best player in this series. It’s just the drop off of Klay and Green is very noticeable.

Boston reminds me of that young buck team knocking at the door, but clearly has wobbly knees. The Bucks had it last year too. Hell the first Spurs championship team had it. It ain’t always pretty and their are many mistakes they have to survive to win it all.

If they are able to win this year, though, they’ll definitely take a massive confidence leap for years to come (much like Giannis and those guys did this year).

Shaq was the best player in the '04 series against the Pistons. He had even one game which was game 4 where he got 36 points on 76 percent shooting from the field. Pistons were able to weather Shaq's dominant games in that series while baiting Kobe to play stupid and not with the team. I felt the Pistons were all at the perfect age at the time. They had the experience while all of them were just at the start of their primes.

The problem with Boston I feel is they just don't have the maturity to weather the storm with Curry much like the Piston's did with Shaq. Piston's weren't in awe of Shaq and Kobe and that helped a lot in dealing with those 2 guys. The Pistons knew when to make the right plays even when Shaq was going off they didn't get phased. Celtics are still a very young team despite them having playoff experience. I feel at times they are in awe of Steph and get phased by him which causes them to panic in the sense they don't make the right plays in crunch time like what happened in the 4th quarter of game 4.

[DAF86]

His breakthrough games should be cherished but never counted on. He’s a 7th man on a Finals team and that’s his best role. He was our second best player. Yikes.

He's literally being a 5th man on a finals team, right now.

[DAF86]

The Celtics choked the last 7 minutes of Game 4 and White was on the floor, did absolutely nothing,
stood on the 3 point line in the corner most of the time on offense, barely touched the ball other than an airball 3 point corner shot.

Dude, the Celtics, with White on the floor, are 2-2 on the NBA finals, while we are all watching from home. I think the Celtics and White are doing pretty damn well for themselves out there, tbh. :lol

[rascal]

Dude, the Celtics, with White on the floor, are 2-2 on the NBA finals, while we are all watching from home. I think the Celtics and White are doing pretty damn well for themselves out there, tbh. :lol

Maybe White will have a good game tonight. He hasn't been playing well in the finals outside of game 1.

It's better for the Spurs if White helps Boston win a title.

[rascal]

From the Celtic board.

Some were ok with the trade some were not.

Simply awful! Brad doesn't get it. You need elite 3 point shooters to win in the NBA. I haven't carefully compared the stat sheet - but from what I've read, White's 3pt stat is not impressive.

This is is the kind of trade that happens when you fall in love with a player. Brad and Ime, PLEASE-PLEASE-PLEASE never deal with the Spurs again! Their brain trust is far greater than your own.

[DAF86]

Maybe White will have a good game tonight. He hasn't been playing well in the finals outside of game 1.

It's better for the Spurs if White helps Boston win a title.

He has already helped plenty on getting them where they are. If the Celtics don't win the championship, it won't be because White didn't "help", tbh.

[The Truth #6]

He's literally being a 5th man on a finals team, right now.

Really? I see Robert Williams, Jaylen Brown, Tatum, Horford, Marcus Smart all in front of him in importance. I see him as more as less equal to Grant Williams.

[daslicer]

He has already helped plenty on getting them where they are. If the Celtics don't win the championship, it won't be because White didn't "help", tbh.

Agreed he's not the star. He is high end role player whatever they get from his is a plus. It really comes down to Tatum and Brown since they are the stars of the team.

[DAF86]

Really? I see Robert Williams, Jaylen Brown, Tatum, Horford, Marcus Smart all in front of him in importance. I see him as more as less equal to Grant Williams.

I said 5th, I should have said 4th. White, in these finals, is averaging 30 mpg, that ranks 4th in the Celtics ahead of Robert Williams (7 more minutes per game), Grant Williams (13 more minutes per game) and even Al Horford.

https://www.nba.com/playoffs/2022/the-finals/stats

[The Truth #6]

I said 5th, I should have said 4th. White, in these finals, is averaging 30 mpg, that ranks 4th in the Celtics ahead of Robert Williams (7 more minutes per game), Grant Williams (13 more minutes per game) and even Al Horford.

https://www.nba.com/playoffs/2022/the-finals/stats

Fair point. In these Finals, I'm guessing they are having to go small.

[rascal]

I said 5th, I should have said 4th. White, in these finals, is averaging 30 mpg, that ranks 4th in the Celtics ahead of Robert Williams (7 more minutes per game), Grant Williams (13 more minutes per game) and even Al Horford.

https://www.nba.com/playoffs/2022/the-finals/stats

The assets the Spurs will get out of the trade might not be very good either.

It was a good trade for the Spurs to move on from White. He wasn't good enough to count on as one of your better players.

[DAF86]

Fair point. In these Finals, I'm guessing they are having to go small.

It's been almost all the playoffs, tbh.

[Spurs Homer]

D white sucks tonite

[Dverde]

D white sucks tonite

Udoka with the quick hook on White in 3Q. Pop would leave him out there for 40 minutes and say players have to play better to win this series.

[Spurs Homer]

Udoka with the quick hook on White in 3Q. Pop would leave him out there for 40 minutes and say players have to play better to win this series.

yup

[CGD]

He has already helped plenty on getting them where they are. If the Celtics don't win the championship, it won't be because White didn't "help", tbh.

Preach

Boston has killed themselves with sloppy play and turnovers at the worst times, including by their top 2 players

[tmtcsc]

D. White's good enough to be serviceable on some nights, impactful on others but the majority of his games will be forgettable. He came to the Spurs with a lot of potential but he showed the team pretty quickly what he was in the Denver playoff series. He had a couple of big games but then got shut down. That was it, that was the end. If unchecked, he can do damage. Give him a little attention and he goes away. That's Derrick White. Not upset the Spurs moved away.

The current Spurs roster is built up of role players - even Dejounte Murray. There's not a star or burgeoning star in the group to build around. I don't care who gets moved and what packages are put together to attract a legit, consistent, pillar of the franchise. Until they do, the Spurs will be mired in mediocrity - right where they are.


Yes sir. Derrick “Don’t look at me” White. 1 point in a very, very important game 5.

[Dverde]

Udoka going full Thibs and playing his players too much. Tatum and Brown looked so tired in the fourth. Gotta rest them a couple minutes during the half.

[Mr. Body]

Celtics lost the series jacking so many threes at the end of Game 4. What's with GSW and baiting teams into relentlessly jacking up frmo distance?

[rascal]

Yes sir. Derrick “Don’t look at me” White. 1 point in a very, very important game 5.

He plays timid. Would rather always pass than take the shot.

Badly hesitated on an open 3 and of course missed it.
And his defense is overrated, I often see players blowing past him and scoring over him.

[slick'81]

He plays timid. Would rather always pass than take the shot.

Badly hesitated on an open 3 and of course missed it.
And his defense is overrated, I often see players blowing past him and scoring over him.

bbb but the passing and initiating the offense

[rascal]

He has already helped plenty on getting them where they are. If the Celtics don't win the championship, it won't be because White didn't "help", tbh.

He really hasn't played consistently well at all in the playoffs or regular season for Boston.

[rascal]

bbb but the passing and initiating the offense

Need more production than passing the ball. And I don't see so much initiating the offense.

[slick'81]

Need more production than passing the ball. And I don't see so much initiating the offense.

thats what ive heard on here. He can help them when he gives that occasional 20 point outburst because bos desperately needs another scorer. When he isnt hitting which has been often this season hes practically useless

[rascal]

White is a Spur type of player. Really lacks explosiveness to the basket.

Spurs have a team built around these type of players.

[BatManu20]

C’s fans are quickly turning on Derrick in forums and on Twitter after another stinker tonight. His lack of confidence in his jumpshot and inability to hit open threes kills the Celtics. He had two wide open looks tonight early in the fourth that would’ve helped stifle Warriors runs. He hesitated on both, and bricked both. Then he got blown by for a couple easy layups and that one huge Andrew Wiggins dunk. Just a bad all around game from him.

Luckily most of the attention is being focused on Tatum, who’s been dog-shit in the 2nd half of every game this series. Dude is now shooting 22% in 4th quarters of this series (!!). And he’s already set the record for most turnovers in a playoffs with 95, surpassing Lebron. Just horrible. Cost his team the series at the end of game four with all his chucking. C’s blew it.

[Mr. Body]

Derrick White had that monster game against Denver and has never reached that level again. This is why he's a role player -- he'll turn in very nice games but can't be counted on for every game.

He's not the reason the Celtics are losing the series, though.

[slick'81]

Derrick White had that monster game against Denver and has never reached that level again. This is why he's a role player -- he'll turn in very nice games but can't be counted on for every game.

He's not the reason the Celtics are losing the series, though.

nobody is blaming white for the c's losing. He is the very definition of fools gold

[tmtcsc]

D. White's good enough to be serviceable on some nights, impactful on others but the majority of his games will be forgettable. He came to the Spurs with a lot of potential but he showed the team pretty quickly what he was in the Denver playoff series. He had a couple of big games but then got shut down. That was it, that was the end. If unchecked, he can do damage. Give him a little attention and he goes away. That's Derrick White. Not upset the Spurs moved away.

The current Spurs roster is built up of role players - even Dejounte Murray. There's not a star or burgeoning star in the group to build around. I don't care who gets moved and what packages are put together to attract a legit, consistent, pillar of the franchise. Until they do, the Spurs will be mired in mediocrity - right where they are.


Yes sir. Derrick “Don’t look at me” White. 1 point in a very, very important game 5.

[slick'81]

Yes sir. Derrick “Don’t look at me” White. 1 point in a very, very important game 5.


there is a reason pop&co were willing to part with him

[rascal]

Derrick White had that monster game against Denver and has never reached that level again. This is why he's a role player -- he'll turn in very nice games but can't be counted on for every game.

He's not the reason the Celtics are losing the series, though.

One of the reasons as he isn't helping them much.

[rascal]

there is a reason pop&co were willing to part with him

Agree, beware of trading with the Spurs.

They don't trade away anyone good, especially sine they are not deep in talent to begin with.

[Ice009]

Shaq was the best player in the '04 series against the Pistons. He had even one game which was game 4 where he got 36 points on 76 percent shooting from the field. Pistons were able to weather Shaq's dominant games in that series while baiting Kobe to play stupid and not with the team. I felt the Pistons were all at the perfect age at the time. They had the experience while all of them were just at the start of their primes.

The problem with Boston I feel is they just don't have the maturity to weather the storm with Curry much like the Piston's did with Shaq. Piston's weren't in awe of Shaq and Kobe and that helped a lot in dealing with those 2 guys. The Pistons knew when to make the right plays even when Shaq was going off they didn't get phased. Celtics are still a very young team despite them having playoff experience. I feel at times they are in awe of Steph and get phased by him which causes them to panic in the sense they don't make the right plays in crunch time like what happened in the 4th quarter of game 4.

Wasn't Shaq shooting something like 65% for the series? I remember seeing a stat where Shaq was doing great, but I don't think Kobe was trying to get him the ball. I think Kobe was trying to show up Tayshaun Prince since everyone was saying how good of a defensive player he was and how good of a defensive team the Pistons were, I think Kobe went off script trying to show them up, but it cost them the series. Even with Karl Malone hurt, I still think the Lakers could have won that series. The Pistons played great team ball, but I don't think they were the better team.


Udoka going full Thibs and playing his players too much. Tatum and Brown looked so tired in the fourth. Gotta rest them a couple minutes during the half.

This is going to be a bit of a shot at Ime, but maybe he remembers himself being put in for Bruce Bowen in the 2008 WCF and costing us the game ;). Maybe he was trying to avoid something similar by keeping them in. Bit of a low blow from me, I just can't seem to forgive him for that game. Bruce Bowen had Kobe locked up, then got into foul trouble and Ime went out there to replace Bruce and Kobe exploded. Really sucks cause the Spurs were dead tired sleeping only a few hours on the plane after winning game 7 in NO. That game could have cost them the series, plus the Derek Fisher foul on Brent Barry didn't help in game 5 I think it was. You know what, fuck the Lakers. I'm starting to remember how much I disliked those fucks.

[daslicer]

Wasn't Shaq shooting something like 65% for the series? I remember seeing a stat where Shaq was doing great, but I don't think Kobe was trying to get him the ball. I think Kobe was trying to show up Tayshaun Prince since everyone was saying how good of a defensive player he was and how good of a defensive team the Pistons were, I think Kobe went off script trying to show them up, but it cost them the series. Even with Karl Malone hurt, I still think the Lakers could have won that series. The Pistons played great team ball, but I don't think they were the better team.





Pistons were the better team in that series. Without Karl Malone the Lakers were the less talented team. Malone was the reason why they got to the finals. Without him the Spurs would have swept the Lakers or beaten them in 5. The Pistons deserve a lot of credit for winning that series because a lot of teams would have folded in game 1 when Shaq got 36 points on above 76 percent shooting and then game 4 where he got 34 points on above 80 percent shooting. It takes discipline to weather those out of this world type of performances. The Pistons could have crumbled in those games but showed resilience. That's the difference between them and the current Celtics who can't weather Curry's storms.

[MultiTroll]

Imes offensive is Pop level low IQ.

Would be interesting to see how White would do when Game 1s ball movement was continued vs Tatum ball / stand around ball.

[rjv]

Pistons were the better team in that series. Without Karl Malone the Lakers were the less talented team. Malone was the reason why they got to the finals. Without him the Spurs would have swept the Lakers or beaten them in 5. The Pistons deserve a lot of credit for winning that series because a lot of teams would have folded in game 1 when Shaq got 36 points on above 76 percent shooting and then game 4 where he got 34 points on above 80 percent shooting. It takes discipline to weather those types of out of this world performances. The Pistons could have crumbled in those games but showed resilience. That's the difference between them and the current Celtics who can't weather Curry's storms.

i just don't know if the celtics have a true top tier player or superstar. brown and smart are potential all stars and tatum is a legit all-star but he's not in that upper echelon yet (and may never be). last night, they all just kind of shrunk at the worst time.

[daslicer]

i just don't know if the celtics have a true top tier player or superstar. brown and smart are potential all stars and tatum is a legit all-star but he's not in that upper echelon yet (and may never be). last night, they all just kind of shrunk at the worst time.

Agreed Tatum is a legit all-star but like you said I don't think he will ever reach true superstardom. He's very good but just a tier below Giannis, Durant, Kawhi, etc. He doesn't have another gear like those guys do to takeover a game against a great opponent. Jaylen Brown is what I would call a good second option but unfortunately Tatum doesn't come through like a real number 1 so Brown can't always capitalize like a true number 2 would. Marcus is a very good role player much like how Bruce Bowen was for the Spurs but better offensively. He could possibly fluke his way to 1 all-star game in his career.

If the Celtics had Durant instead of Tatum they probably beat this Warriors team in 6 games.

[DAF86]

He really hasn't played consistently well at all in the playoffs or regular season for Boston.

He has though. The only inconsistent thing about his game is his shooting but folks don't realize just how important other areas of basketball are. That's why you will constantly see guys like White and Poeltl at the top of impact stats while his offensive numbers might not look like much. The Celtics acquired White while they were on the lower part of the table of teams getting into the playoffs, they are now two games away from winning it all. I would say the White acquisition has been a monumental success for them.

[spurraider21]

derrick white could have averaged 30ppg for the finals, made the game winner and become finals mvp and it still was a good trade for the spurs

[DAF86]

derrick white could have averaged 30ppg for the finals, made the game winner and become finals mvp and it still was a good trade for the spurs

I do agree with this though. There just wasn't a fit for White here.

[rascal]

I do agree with this though. There just wasn't a fit for White here.

Why not if he's so good to take a team to the championship?

[rascal]

He has though. The only inconsistent thing about his game is his shooting but folks don't realize just how important other areas of basketball are. That's why you will constantly see guys like White and Poeltl at the top of impact stats while his offensive numbers might not look like much. The Celtics acquired White while they were on the lower part of the table of teams getting into the playoffs, they are now two games away from winning it all. I would say the White acquisition has been a monumental success for them.

Where has he been so good, passing the ball? His shooting has been bad everyone can agree on that and his defense he's getting scored on players are blowing past him and counting stats blocks and steals are not high, how is he so great defensively.

You have your Spur blinders on and see him as a former Spur so he's been so good for Boston but really he hasn't with the exception of a few games.

[slick'81]

Where has he been so good, passing the ball? His shooting has been bad everyone can agree on that and his defense he's getting scored on players are blowing past him and counting stats blocks and steals are not high, how is he so great defensively.

You have your Spur blinders on and see him as a former Spur so he's been so good for Boston but really he hasn't with the exception of a few games.


the bottom line it was a good deal for sa. His production for Boston means nothing for the spurs now.

[rascal]

the bottom line it was a good deal for sa. His production for Boston means nothing for the spurs now.

Spurs were lucky to have a chance to move away from White with the trade.

[slick'81]

Spurs were lucky to have a chance to move away from White with the trade.

indeed. Richardson while not as good an all around player actually fits the spurs better because he isn't afraid to take a big shot. Throw in a first rnd pick,a potential swap and that contract ! The spurs come out smelling like roses.

[DAF86]

Why not if he's so good to take a team to the championship?

I've never said he was good enough to take a team to a championship. I do think he is good enough of a high end role player as to be the missing piece to a championship, with the right team around him. Think of Bowen, prime Horry, Danny Green, and those kind of players. Maybe even better as an all around player than all those guys.

[DAF86]

Where has he been so good, passing the ball? His shooting has been bad everyone can agree on that and his defense he's getting scored on players are blowing past him and counting stats blocks and steals are not high, how is he so great defensively.

You have your Spur blinders on and see him as a former Spur so he's been so good for Boston but really he hasn't with the exception of a few games.

"Spurs blinders" :lol

If he's no longer on the Spurs, I don't give a fuck how he does, I just call it like I see it and how good reality objectively proves White is. Which is pretty damn good for a role player. Nothing more, nothing less. Folks here trying to talk down his game are basic bitches that can't see past made buckets. Probably the same ones that thought guys like Forbes or Belinelli were the shit.

[RC_Drunkford]

people saying the Celtics don't have a floor general and need a PG should tell you all you need to know

[DAF86]

people saying the Celtics don't have a floor general and need a PG should tell you all you need to know

Yeah, it tells you that they are shitting on Tatum, Smart and Brown. Or do you expect a bench combo guard to be the "floor general"? :lol

[exstatic]

Yeah, it tells you that they are shitting on Tatum, Smart and Brown. Or do you expect a bench combo guard to be the "floor general"? :lol

Smart is inappropriately named. Complete dumbass.

[RC_Drunkford]

Yeah, it tells you that they are shitting on Tatum, Smart and Brown. Or do you expect a bench combo guard to be the "floor general"? :lol

I've never said that and if you had read my previous posts you'd know I said it's a good trade for both teams. White is not a starting level PG for a title team and that's fine

[slick'81]

I've never said that and if you had read my previous posts you'd know I said it's a good trade for both teams. White is not a starting level PG for a title team and that's fine


i think the misinterpretation is because it was a good trade for sa that it was bad for bos. Both teams got what they needed

[DAF86]

I've never said that and if you had read my previous posts you'd know I said it's a good trade for both teams. White is not a starting level PG for a title team and that's fine

What were you trying to say then?

[RC_Drunkford]

What were you trying to say then?

read my last sentence again slow mo

[DAF86]

read my last sentence again slow mo

Well, duh. He isn't a PG nor a starter. And I'm the slow one. :lol

[BatManu20]

Derrick has been shit these past 3 games. Dude looks terrible again tonight. 0/3 with 2 turnovers and just shot an open 3 that missed the rim entirely and only hit the backboard :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

Well, duh. He isn't a PG nor a starter. And I'm the slow one. :lol

took you long enough

[slick'81]

Derrick has been shit these past 3 games. Dude looks terrible again tonight. 0/3 with 2 turnovers and just shot an open 3 that missed the rim entirely and only hit the backboard :lol

i get spur fans wanting him to be the Celtics savior but come on. Ime might be having buyers remorse

[DAF86]

took you long enough

In my defense it usually takes time to understand such mind numbing comments, tbh. :lol

[CGD]

Lol, the 7th man isn’t carrying Boston to a chip! This is all about how bad Tatum and Brown have been his game.

[DAF86]

i get spur fans wanting him to be the Celtics savior but come on. Ime might be having buyers remorse

When they made that trade nobody thought the Celtics would get to the point of being 2 games away from a championship. How can they ever regret a move that got them that close? :lol

[rascal]

GS just has more overall team athleticism than Boston. White doesn't help Boston in that area.

Spurs like to try to build their team without targeting athleticism.

This is why I want the Spurs to add more overall team athleticism. You aren't winning with primarily defensive players like what this board wants to target in this draft.

You need explosive athletic players with high offensive upside like what GS has.

[rascal]

Lol, the 7th man isn’t carrying Boston to a chip! This is all about how bad Tatum and Brown have been his game.

Not really, Tatum hasn't played well but Boston is getting nothing off their bench, White has been horrible.

Tonight's lead was lost when Boston went to the bench.

Boston can't play their starters the entire game!

[slick'81]

When they made that trade nobody thought the Celtics would get to the point of being 2 games away from a championship. How can they ever regret a move that got them that close? :lol

because hes been down right awful. They weren't trading for this

[BatManu20]

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That 21-0 warriors run in the 1st & 2nd Qtr started when Derrick and the bench crew entered the game :lol

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[Leetonidas]

At least Richardson doesn't hang his head and pout like White does after literally any missed shot. White is soft af, JRich is not

[slick'81]

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completely shriveled up

[rascal]

When they made that trade nobody thought the Celtics would get to the point of being 2 games away from a championship. How can they ever regret a move that got them that close? :lol

White was not responsible for the turnaround. He had a nice three games after the birth of his son but is back to playing poorly like he did during the regular season.

He looks weak out there and Boston fans on their board are saying they don't even like seeing him in the game.

He takes those little quick steps but still seems a bit too slow to really make a defensive difference and forget about his shot making as he's a big liability there. His game is ugly.

[Spurs Homer]

Apologies to ime udoka

for sending horrible garbage from the spurs