Derrick White trade looking worse and worse every day [Archive] - Page 4

jjspur

06-16-2022, 09:31 PM

When they made that trade nobody thought the Celtics would get to the point of being 2 games away from a championship. How can they ever regret a move that got them that close? :lol
Agreed. Boston got what they wanted, spurs got what they wanted, but it didn't mean either team would win a chip because of it. Boston comes close, maybe next year when their starters play better and Derrick can actually hit the side of a barn.

CGD

06-16-2022, 09:31 PM

Not really, Tatum hasn't played well but Boston is getting nothing off their bench, White has been horrible.

Tonight's lead was lost when Boston went to the bench.

Boston can't play their starters the entire game!

I agree, Tatum has played poorly. Full stop.

Smart killed them with those early fouls, forcing earlier bench rotations. And, yes, it’s an elimination game: the stars should be ready to play heavy heavy minutes. Not excuses.

Mr. Body

06-16-2022, 09:35 PM

Boston doesnt have much talent.

CGD

06-16-2022, 09:40 PM

^ they need to upgrade the Smart position, which has been the case for a while now.

DAF86

06-16-2022, 09:40 PM

because hes been down right awful. They weren't trading for this

I'm sure they a pretty happy how the trade turned out, regardless of how awful White has been in the last few games.

rascal

06-16-2022, 09:42 PM

Boston doesnt have much talent.

They don't have a bench. They get very little from their bench.

DAF86

06-16-2022, 09:42 PM

At least Richardson doesn't hang his head and pout like White does after literally any missed shot. White is soft af, JRich is not

Yeah, JRich wouldn't be hanging his head because he would be watching from home with the rest of the Celtics if the trade never happened. :lol

slick'81

06-16-2022, 09:43 PM

I'm sure they a pretty happy how the trade turned out, regardless of how awful White has been in the last few games.

im sure they're ex static

DAF86

06-16-2022, 09:46 PM

White was not responsible for the turnaround. He had a nice three games after the birth of his son but is back to playing poorly like he did during the regular season.

He looks weak out there and Boston fans on their board are saying they don't even like seeing him in the game.

He takes those little quick steps but still seems a bit too slow to really make a defensive difference and forget about his shot making as he's a big liability there. His game is ugly.

He isn't the main responsable, but he defenitely helped. Without White's contributions vs Miami, the Celtics probably wouldn't even be here.

MultiTroll

06-16-2022, 09:47 PM

:lol Should have been subbed out a long time ago.
:lol Ime Popovich getting ass owned by Phil Kerr.

DAF86

06-16-2022, 09:47 PM

im sure they're ex static

Wouldn't you be making the NBA finals when nobody expected you to?

slick'81

06-16-2022, 09:49 PM

Wouldn't you be making the NBA finals when nobody expected you to?

that has nothing tondo with white sucking ass.

DAF86

06-16-2022, 09:50 PM

^ they need to upgrade the Smart position, which has been the case for a while now.

They have tried that with Irving and Walker and it failed miserably.

Why the fuck are folks talking as if the Boston Celtics didn't just make it all they way up to the NBA finals? :lol

DAF86

06-16-2022, 09:50 PM

that has nothing tondo with white sucking ass.

Of course not. It has to do with the opposite. :lol

slick'81

06-16-2022, 09:52 PM

Of course not. It has to do with the opposite. :lol

im sorry this is happening to you:lol

rascal

06-16-2022, 09:52 PM

I'm sure they a pretty happy how the trade turned out, regardless of how awful White has been in the last few games.

Go read the Boston Celtic board. See how happy they are with the trade.

DAF86

06-16-2022, 09:54 PM

im sorry this is happening to you:lol

What is happening to me? :lol

DAF86

06-16-2022, 09:58 PM

Go read the Boston Celtic board. See how happy they are with the trade.

Of course they aren't going to be happy now. They are under the influence of emotional violence. Just like ST likes to talk shit about everything Spurs related from Pop to the Coyote after losses. But once they cool down and reflect on the move they will realize how it was one of the reasons it made them get this far.

rascal

06-16-2022, 10:02 PM

Of course they aren't going to be happy now. They are under the influence of emotional violence. Just like ST likes to talk shit about everything Spurs related from Pop to the Coyote after losses. But once they cool down and reflect on the move they will realize how it was one of the reasons it made them get this far.

No they won't.

White has not been good outside a few games for them. Bad trade for them. Spurs are lucky to have moved away from White.

Beware of trades with the Spurs because they hardly ever give anything of value in a trade.

KingKev

06-16-2022, 10:07 PM

Klay Thompson looking like D White lol

DAF86

06-16-2022, 10:08 PM

No they won't.

White has not been good outside a few games for them. Bad trade for them. Spurs are lucky to have moved away from White.

Beware of trades with the Spurs because they hardly ever give anything of value in a trade.

If White sucked so much with the Celtics, how the fuck did they get this far with him getting starters level minutes? :lol

rogcl1

06-16-2022, 10:11 PM

No they won't.

White has not been good outside a few games for them. Bad trade for them. Spurs are lucky to have moved away from White.

Beware of trades with the Spurs because they hardly ever give anything of value in a trade.

You mean like the Kawhi to Toronto trade which resulted in an NBA title?

Leetonidas

06-16-2022, 10:21 PM

Yeah, JRich wouldn't be hanging his head because he would be watching from home with the rest of the Celtics if the trade never happened. :lol

:lol thinking Derrick White is the difference between being a finals team and going home early

slick'81

06-16-2022, 10:21 PM

White not even touching the floor in crunch time

JR3

06-16-2022, 10:23 PM

2 points on 16% shooting when it counts.

slick'81

06-16-2022, 10:24 PM

2 points on 16% shooting when it counts.

barely saw the court in the 4th of a must win game

DAF86

06-16-2022, 10:28 PM

:lol thinking Derrick White is the difference between being a finals team and going home early

Dude, White is pretty clearly a better player than Richardson. That's why the Celtics paid the price they paid to swap them. And the fact is that the Celtics made the finals with White playing a starter level role, so I pretty much doubt they regret the move.

DAF86

06-16-2022, 10:30 PM

2 points on 16% shooting when it counts.

I guess the rest of the playoffs, including that 7 games series vs Miami in the ECF, didn't count. :lol

The Truth #6

06-16-2022, 10:57 PM

rascal

06-16-2022, 11:01 PM

You mean like the Kawhi to Toronto trade which resulted in an NBA title?

That doesn't count as Kawhi forced himself out. The Spurs would have never traded him away if they didn't have to.

KingKev

06-16-2022, 11:02 PM

Need to lock this thread.

MultiTroll

06-16-2022, 11:31 PM

Feet do not look ok.

With that caveat, no way should have been allowed to stay in.

-24 at one point.

John B

06-16-2022, 11:40 PM

2 points on 16% shooting when it counts.

Spurs 2nd best player prior to trade

slick'81

06-16-2022, 11:43 PM

Spurs 2nd best player prior to trade

Being a bottom 10 team isnt fun:lol although poodle power had an argument also

RLT

06-17-2022, 01:58 AM

Worst +/- in the game. -26

Kinda feel bad for the guy. Deer in the headlights just like our guy Georgie. We trade away guys with low confidence.

slick'81

06-17-2022, 02:12 AM

Worst +/- in the game. -26

Kinda feel bad for the guy. Deer in the headlights just like our guy Georgie. We trade away guys with low confidence.

for the entire playoffs 37%fg 32%3p

TimDunkem

06-17-2022, 08:28 AM

Typical White. Gets his fans excited for a few weeks then proceeds to shrivel up and show everyone who he really is.

Not a bad player, but just another average bench guy with shakey confidence. He can't be relied on. It is what it is.

RC_Drunkford

06-17-2022, 09:06 AM

Of course they aren't going to be happy now. They are under the influence of emotional violence. Just like ST likes to talk shit about everything Spurs related from Pop to the Coyote after losses. But once they cool down and reflect on the move they will realize how it was one of the reasons it made them get this far.

yeah right :lmao and the missing piece to a Celtics ring is your boy Vucevic :lmao

RC_Drunkford

06-17-2022, 09:11 AM

Dude, White is pretty clearly a better player than Richardson. That's why the Celtics paid the price they paid to swap them. And the fact is that the Celtics made the finals with White playing a starter level role, so I pretty much doubt they regret the move.

J-Rich on the Spurs 11.4 PPG, 2.9 RB, 2.3 AST, 1 STL 1.3 TOV 42.9 FG% 44.4 3P%

White on the Celtics 11 PPG 3.4 RB 3.5 AST 0.6 STL 1.2 TOV 40.9 FG% 30.6 3P% while playing 3 min more per game

I don't see how White is a way better player than J-Rich tbh. It's just that each is a better fit for the team they got traded to

John B

06-17-2022, 09:12 AM

Get back strong D-White. It was a rookie mistake for the entire team, and going against a colossal veteran champion. Them staying together should help. Day 1 starts today.

BatManu20

06-17-2022, 09:14 AM

MannyIsGod

06-17-2022, 10:12 AM

People on this board love to inflate what White brings to the table. Its been some weird thing for years. Its like they hitched their cart and because he's obviously not a star, they have to say shit like White is leading the Celtics to a title, so I get why people then like to troll that idiocy.

That being said, an honest appraisal of the finals doesn't put it on White. Did he suck shooting? Yeah, but that's what he is most of the time. He was obviously scared when he shot the ball and it showed. But he did a lot of other things well, and its not like Pritchard (who all he does is shoot) or Grant Williams did any better. And honestly, I'm not sure it was their fault. Ime is going to be an amazing coach when its all said and done, but his offense this year was hot garbage. It was said that they players knew they had to move the ball and push the tempo but they just fell back on ISO ball but either way that falls on the coach. But he's a fucking rookie coach who took this team from sub 500 to the finals in months. Can't complain about that. And honestly not shame in being out coached by Kerr in your first finals in your first season as a head coach. I think Boston was clearly the more talented team, but coaching and experience matter a hell of a lot at this point in the season.

White was fine. He wasn't brought on to score a shit ton or fix their broken offense. They probably hoped he would shoot better and its obvious that it opened things up for them when he did, but its Derrick White and if he had actually be a good shooter he wouldn't have been traded to begin with. And for as good as his defense, and Smarts for that matter, is, it wasn't enough to stop Curry because great offense almost always beats great defense.

MannyIsGod

06-17-2022, 10:14 AM

Dude, White is pretty clearly a better player than Richardson. That's why the Celtics paid the price they paid to swap them. And the fact is that the Celtics made the finals with White playing a starter level role, so I pretty much doubt they regret the move.

What the fuck is a starter level role? White came off the bench dude. A starter level role means starting. This is why people won't let shit go. Because people come in and make stupid fucking takes like this. Bench players can play lots of minutes. You don't need to make up new fucking terms for that shit just to make White seem better. Its fine.

MultiTroll

06-17-2022, 10:19 AM

I think Boston was clearly the more talented team,

It was said that they players knew they had to move the ball and push the tempo but they just fell back on ISO ball but either way that falls on the coach.

wildbill2u

06-17-2022, 10:59 AM

White’s definitely a better defender and distributor than J-Rich, but his inability to shoot the ball really killed the Celtics in the Finals. He got a ton of open looks because GS was basically daring him to shoot the ball, and he bricked the majority of them. You just can’t play guards who can’t shoot for very long in today’s NBA. Kills the whole flow of the offense.

Yeah, and we got a ton of guards who can't shoot as well as the average SG in the NBA today. (now don't rush out and find that one of our guards statistically is over the 50% average shooting percentage. You know what I mean.) We need better shooting and I doubt anyone will disagree with that. Well, since this is ST, maybe not. :downspin:

poopbox

06-17-2022, 11:13 AM

I don’t get the avid defense of White. He’s not awful, obviously. But he always leaves you wanting more. It’s hard to be logical and glass half full about a player whom you think should always be playing better.

Why is a guy who was a 29th overall pick supposed to be "always playing better".

How many other 29th overral picks were an integral part of a team that competed for a title this year?

PrimeMinister

06-17-2022, 11:43 AM

Why is a guy who was a 29th overall pick supposed to be "always playing better".

How many other 29th overral picks were an integral part of a team that competed for a title this year?

draymond, jordan poole, jimmy butler, middleton last year and his injury is a reason bucks lost, jokic, jalen brunson, desmond bane

DAF86

06-17-2022, 12:00 PM

yeah right :lmao and the missing piece to a Celtics ring is your boy Vucevic :lmao

What? :lol

DAF86

06-17-2022, 12:02 PM

J-Rich on the Spurs 11.4 PPG, 2.9 RB, 2.3 AST, 1 STL 1.3 TOV 42.9 FG% 44.4 3P%

White on the Celtics 11 PPG 3.4 RB 3.5 AST 0.6 STL 1.2 TOV 40.9 FG% 30.6 3P% while playing 3 min more per game

I don't see how White is a way better player than J-Rich tbh. It's just that each is a better fit for the team they got traded to

Better at everything except shooting. And even there, White has moments where he's more than serviceable as an outside threat.

DAF86

06-17-2022, 12:07 PM

What the fuck is a starter level role? White came off the bench dude. A starter level role means starting. This is why people won't let shit go. Because people come in and make stupid fucking takes like this. Bench players can play lots of minutes. You don't need to make up new fucking terms for that shit just to make White seem better. Its fine.

Playing a "starter level role" basically means playing starters minutes. Or are you saying Manu didn't play a "starter level role" just because he came off the bench? One would think Spurs fans don't need to be explained this kind of shit.

Dverde

06-17-2022, 12:32 PM

Minus a game the Celts lost, D White wasn’t an above average contributor in the playoffs. At least he stayed healthy. I’m hoping with a full preaseason camp they can weave him better into their system of Tatum iso, Jaylen Brown bulldozing toward the rim, and Smart missing open jumpers the defense gives him.

RC_Drunkford

06-17-2022, 03:53 PM

Better at everything except shooting. And even there, White has moments where he's more than serviceable as an outside threat.

yeah right, like shooting ain't the most important skill :lmao

slick'81

06-17-2022, 03:54 PM

yeah right, like shooting ain't the most important skill :lmao

dont you know its just icing on the cake for whites game:lmao

DAF86

06-18-2022, 02:08 PM

yeah right, like shooting ain't the most important skill :lmao

Sure, but it isn't everything. If not, Forbes would be one of thr best players in the league. :lol

Besides, what's your point? You think Richardson is better than White? :lol

RC_Drunkford

06-18-2022, 03:14 PM

Sure, but it isn't everything. If not, Forbes would be one of thr best players in the league. :lol

Besides, what's your point? You think Richardson is better than White? :lol

you're even dumber than I thought :lol

slick'81

06-19-2022, 03:17 AM

https://youtu.be/2bJk2umBx_I

DAF86

06-19-2022, 02:42 PM

you're even dumber than I thought :lol

I'm not the one here acting as if the guy that came as spare change of a first round pick is better than White, tbh. :lol

daboom1

06-19-2022, 04:02 PM

https://youtu.be/2bJk2umBx_I

He's gonna be a stud, Spurs fucked up big time.

tonight...you

06-19-2022, 04:26 PM

He's gonna be a stud, Spurs fucked up big time.
Freaking love The Kids In The Hall.
Seen their new season?
Great shit.

My wife had never heard of them!
I had no idea!
Now she's obsessed, lol.

daboom1

06-19-2022, 04:29 PM

Freaking love The Kids In The Hall.
Seen their new season?
Great shit.

My wife had never heard of them!
I had no idea!
Now she's obsessed, lol.

Yeah new season is awesome! I grew up with KitH on Comedy Central, definitely my favorite sketch comedy show of all time.

RC_Drunkford

06-19-2022, 05:54 PM

I'm not the one here acting as if the guy that came as spare change of a first round pick is better than White, tbh. :lol

I'm not saying that either. You probably have to read posts multiple times to really understand them :lol

KingKev

07-25-2022, 07:05 AM

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10043168-kevin-durant-trade-rumors-celtics-offer-jaylen-brown-nets-also-want-marcus-smart

dbestpro

07-25-2022, 07:40 AM

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10043168-kevin-durant-trade-rumors-celtics-offer-jaylen-brown-nets-also-want-marcus-smart I would make this trade as Boston or the Nets.

Dex

07-25-2022, 08:20 AM

I would make this trade as Boston or the Nets.

Probably the best deal on the table for the Nets...and if I am the Celtics, I give up Brown+Smart+picks in a heartbeat.

I know Smart somehow managed to win DPOY last season, but I've always felt he is overrated

Nets lineup of Smart/Brown/Harris/Simmons/whoever wouldn't be half bad, either

BatManu20

07-25-2022, 08:32 AM

Celtics already trying to dump Derrick :lol

KingKev

07-25-2022, 09:35 AM

Jaylen Brown is a borderline superstar. If KD really wants out I’m doing that if I’m the Nets hundo.

Simmons, JB, Smart, Kyrie would be interesting.

Vince Carter's ankle

07-25-2022, 11:34 AM

Jaylen Brown is a borderline superstar. If KD really wants out I’m doing that if I’m the Nets hundo.

Simmons, JB, Smart, Kyrie would be interesting.
He was All-Star just once in his career. With comments like this, you just devalue the concept of a superstar.

exstatic

07-25-2022, 11:42 AM

He was All-Star just once in his career. With comments like this, you just devalue the concept of a superstar.

Yeah, he got touches earlier in his career than DJ, but they're basically the same level of player, borderline star, not borderline superstar.

Dejounte

07-25-2022, 11:53 AM

Boston giving their future up for Durant makes their 2028 pick to us more valuable.

KingKev

07-25-2022, 12:06 PM

Boston giving their future up for Durant makes their 2028 pick to us more valuable.

Pick swap but excellent point.

RC_Drunkford

07-25-2022, 12:38 PM

I wouldn't do it if I were the Celtics. Durant is about to be 34, Jaylen Brown is 25. Paying 50 million to a 37 year old KD is not gonna be a good investment down the line

KingKev

07-25-2022, 12:53 PM

I wouldn't do it if I were the Celtics. Durant is about to be 34, Jaylen Brown is 25. Paying 50 million to a 37 year old KD is not gonna be a good investment down the line

KD is one more serious injury away from being toast and even though he has been a decent sport through BKs continuous fk ups he is still a diva. Nets need to pull the trigger asap if this is on the table. Funny that D White is the sticking point lol

Dejounte

07-25-2022, 12:59 PM

Celtics easily win a ring with Durant showing Tatum who’s daddy

Dex

07-25-2022, 01:43 PM

I wouldn't do it if I were the Celtics. Durant is about to be 34, Jaylen Brown is 25. Paying 50 million to a 37 year old KD is not gonna be a good investment down the line

Good point. It's been mentioned before but everyone is just looking at "four years of Kevin Durant"

That would be great if KD was in his prime, but he'll be 38 by the end of that.

couchman

07-25-2022, 02:40 PM

If KD's health holds up he will be no worse than all-star level for at least 3 more years.
His game is not predicated on his athleticism. He has tremendous length, handle, and his jumper is silk. That won't go away

If I'm the Celtics I make the deal

TD 21

07-25-2022, 03:51 PM

Jaylen Brown is a borderline superstar. If KD really wants out I’m doing that if I’m the Nets hundo.

Simmons, JB, Smart, Kyrie would be interesting.

:lmao Tatum is the borderline superstar, Brown is more like a borderline star. I'd classify him as a complementary one to be exact.

If KD's health holds up he will be no worse than all-star level for at least 3 more years.
His game is not predicated on his athleticism. He has tremendous length, handle, and his jumper is silk. That won't go away

If I'm the Celtics I make the deal

Exactly. There's just not enough collective ball handling/playmaking in the Tatum/Brown duo to ever feel confident in their getting over the hump, nor enough sheer star power to render that moot.

They'd be the favorites with this and if they win a championship(s), between that, being a big/historical market and having prime Tatum and quality role players, they should be able to eventually attract another star to replace Durant.

The Celtics will obviously have to add picks/swaps, but realistically no one is beating that base, which is why they'd be wise to hold firm on White instead of Smart.

cd98

07-25-2022, 03:57 PM

I wouldn't do it if I were the Celtics. Durant is about to be 34, Jaylen Brown is 25. Paying 50 million to a 37 year old KD is not gonna be a good investment down the line

ah, they'll just trade him back to the Nets at age 37 for a bunch of first round draft picks like they did Garnett.

KingKev

07-25-2022, 04:26 PM

TD 21

07-25-2022, 04:53 PM

Nomenclature aside, I don’t think the gap between Tatum and Brown is that large and view both of them in basically a second tier of top NBA talent.

Only Durant, Doncic, Jokic, Curry, James, Antetokounmpo, Embiid are clearly better than Tatum. Before you inevitably mention him, Scumbag has to prove he can regain previous form.

Meanwhile, in addition to those 8, another 15 (Young, Irving, George, Davis, Morant, Butler, Towns, Gobert, Williamson, Harden, Paul, Booker, Lillard, Mitchell, Beal) are also clearly better than Brown.

timtonymanu

07-25-2022, 05:30 PM

Banking on an aging, mentally weak diva at this point :lol. KD has failed time and time again when he’s had to carry a team that isn’t loaded like the Warriors.

TD 21

07-25-2022, 05:39 PM

Banking on an aging, mentally weak diva at this point :lol. KD has failed time and time again when he’s had to carry a team that isn’t loaded like the Warriors.

I couldn't stand Durant long before it became popular opinion, but either bias is clouding your judgement, you're spouting results without context or a combination of both.

Literally one year ago, Durant, in his first season post partially ruptured Achilles tendon and with no other healthy star, came within' inches of eliminating the Bucks, who'd go on to win the championship.

His other best non Warriors chances were '12 (team was too green, facing all time player at peak), '13 (Westbrook injured), '14 (Ibaka missed first two games of WCF, lost to an all time team), '16 (lost to an all time team).

KingKev

07-25-2022, 06:41 PM

Only Durant, Doncic, Jokic, Curry, James, Antetokounmpo, Embiid are clearly better than Tatum. Before you inevitably mention him, Scumbag has to prove he can regain previous form.

Meanwhile, in addition to those 8, another 15 (Young, Irving, George, Davis, Morant, Butler, Towns, Gobert, Williamson, Harden, Paul, Booker, Lillard, Mitchell, Beal) are also clearly better than Brown.

you are almost as bad as Ex when it comes to offering opinion as fact.

KingKev

07-25-2022, 07:07 PM

Only Durant, Doncic, Jokic, Curry, James, Antetokounmpo, Embiid are clearly better than Tatum. Before you inevitably mention him, Scumbag has to prove he can regain previous form.

Meanwhile, in addition to those 8, another 15 (Young, Irving, George, Davis, Morant, Butler, Towns, Gobert, Williamson, Harden, Paul, Booker, Lillard, Mitchell, Beal) are also clearly better than Brown.

If Kawhi needs to prove it shouldn’t Zion also? Gobert? Brown and Tatum are pretty close to that tier. It’s not as black and white as you make it out to be even though you make many posts about race.

Ariel

07-25-2022, 09:04 PM

:lmao Tatum is the borderline superstar, Brown is more like a borderline star. I'd classify him as a complementary one to be exact.

Exactly. There's just not enough collective ball handling/playmaking in the Tatum/Brown duo to ever feel confident in their getting over the hump, nor enough sheer star power to render that moot.

They'd be the favorites with this and if they win a championship(s), between that, being a big/historical market and having prime Tatum and quality role players, they should be able to eventually attract another star to replace Durant.

The Celtics will obviously have to add picks/swaps, but realistically no one is beating that base, which is why they'd be wise to hold firm on White instead of Smart.
I do agree that there's a significant gap between Tatum and Brown, but he's a 25 year old all star caliber player and Smart is a 28 DPOY, if Brooklyn is looking to remain competitive for years, that's not a bad return. If they add a couple unprotected picks and/or swaps, there aren't many teams around that can put together a better package for Durant than that. Maybe a Miami package around Bam & Herro, or a Toronto package around Scottie Barnes & OG Anunoby + other assets could be in the mix, but with Ayton locked in Phoenix and Brooklyn wanting no part of him anyway, those sound like the kind of return they could realistically get right now. I think Brooklyn is spreading the word to establish some sort of trade framework for anyone interested in Durant, and also conveying a sense of urgency so that someone in fear of losing him raises the stakes. IMO it makes sense for all parties, and like Dejounte said, anything that pushes forward the Celtics window forward is good for us, so the more costly it is for Boston, the better it is for us.

Ariel

07-25-2022, 09:18 PM

I wouldn't do it if I were the Celtics. Durant is about to be 34, Jaylen Brown is 25. Paying 50 million to a 37 year old KD is not gonna be a good investment down the line
I don't think those 50 million to be paid to KD as a 37 year old in 3 years are much of a problem, the returns of such a move should be expected within the next year or two, the rest would just be a bonus eventhough there's definitely a pathway for KD to sustain a high level of play 3 years and beyond provided he stays healthy. Durant raises their ceiling, and sometimes is better to be a championship level team for 3 years than falling short by an inch time and again. It's an all in move, if they get one championship as a result it's worth it, but if Durant blows his knee it could be viewed as the single moment they f*cked over their entire franchise. I'm not too fond of such bets, but I can definitely see the appeal for Boston.

TD 21

07-25-2022, 11:41 PM

you are almost as bad as Ex when it comes to offering opinion as fact.

In other words, you concede so it's ad homenim time.

You can play that game with most things, but if you could present a credible argument to the contrary, you would.

If Kawhi needs to prove it shouldn’t Zion also? Gobert? Brown and Tatum are pretty close to that tier. It’s not as black and white as you make it out to be even though you make many posts about race.

Scumbag needs to prove it in the case of Tatum because the bar is higher (we just saw Davis and Harden fall from this class despite seemingly lesser injuries). In the case of Brown, it's more reasonable to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I do agree that there's a significant gap between Tatum and Brown, but he's a 25 year old all star caliber player and Smart is a 28 DPOY, if Brooklyn is looking to remain competitive for years, that's not a bad return. If they add a couple unprotected picks and/or swaps, there aren't many teams around that can put together a better package for Durant than that. Maybe a Miami package around Bam & Herro, or a Toronto package around Scottie Barnes & OG Anunoby + other assets could be in the mix, but with Ayton locked in Phoenix and Brooklyn wanting no part of him anyway, those sound like the kind of return they could realistically get right now. I think Brooklyn is spreading the word to establish some sort of trade framework for anyone interested in Durant, and also conveying a sense of urgency so that someone in fear of losing him raises the stakes. IMO it makes sense for all parties, and like Dejounte said, anything that pushes forward the Celtics window forward is good for us, so the more costly it is for Boston, the better it is for us.

As I said, it's the best return the Nets are realistically going to get. The only other one you could argue for is if the Pelicans relent on Ingram at some point (Brown and him cancel each other out, but the Pelicans have way more depth of youth/picks to add).

BG_Spurs_Fan

07-26-2022, 02:51 AM

I wouldn't do it if I were the Celtics. Durant is about to be 34, Jaylen Brown is 25. Paying 50 million to a 37 year old KD is not gonna be a good investment down the line

In a couple of years they'd be paying 50 million for KD or paying 50 mil for Jaylen Brown. I get the age difference and injury concerns but they'd be crazy not to take that risk. Trading the 20th-25th best player for a top 3 NBA player is a no brainer IMO.

Drom John

07-26-2022, 09:50 AM

FiveThirtyEight Raptor WAR Celtics/Nets 1174 minutes minimum (their default)

15.8 Jayson Tatum
10.2 Al Horford
8.9 Jalen Brown
8.8 Marcus Smart, Derrick White
7.2 Robert Williams III
2.9 Payton Pritchard
2.7 Grant Williams
0.1 Daniel Theis

8.3 Kevin Durant
4.5 Kyrie Irving
3.6 Andre Drummond
3.5 Seth Curry
3.3 Bruce Brown
1.4 Patty Mills
0.2 James Johnson
-0.9 Cam Johnson

KingKev

07-26-2022, 09:59 AM

In other words, you concede so it's ad homenim time.

You can play that game with most things, but if you could present a credible argument to the contrary, you would.

Scumbag needs to prove it in the case of Tatum because the bar is higher (we just saw Davis and Harden fall from this class despite seemingly lesser injuries). In the case of Brown, it's more reasonable to give him the benefit of the doubt.

As I said, it's the best return the Nets are realistically going to get. The only other one you could argue for is if the Pelicans relent on Ingram at some point (Brown and him cancel each other out, but the Pelicans have way more depth of youth/picks to add).

I think you mean ad hominem.