So Let's Talk Whole Offseason

[Ariel]

Unless we KILL IT in the draft & offseason, this team is bound to get slapped in the first round and have mid first picks for years to come. We need a talent injection, so I hope the drafting mojo comes back, or we're screwed.

[rascal]

Unless we KILL IT in the draft & offseason, this team is bound to get slapped in the first round and have mid first picks for years to come. We need a talent injection, so I hope the drafting mojo comes back, or we're screwed.

How will they kill it? Drop off in talent at 9 compared with the top 6 or 7.

They will need to make a smart trade but that is out of recent character for the Spurs to make a trade on draft night.

They tend to be very cautious and conservative regarding trades.

[KingKev]

Have to think Magic with #1 means there is a growing chance Mo Bamba is no longer in their long term plans.

Also, Pistons falling out of top 3 means they are more likely to be interested in Ayton and have the resources to get him.

[mo7888]

Have to think Magic with #1 means there is a growing chance Mo Bamba is no longer in their long term plans.

Also, Pistons falling out of top 3 means they are more likely to be interested in Ayton and have the resources to get him.

Jonathan Isaac is probably moving as well..

[R. DeMurre]

I'd forgotten that Chet and Jalen Suggs were high school teammates. Could Orlando try their own version of the Cleveland
experiment-- going extra tall in the front court with Jarrett Allen, Mobley, & Markkanen-- by pairing Chet with Jonathan Isaac and Franz Wagner?

[KingKev]

Jonathan Isaac is probably moving as well..

He hasn’t played in 2 years. Tough contract to move plus he can play both 4 and the 5 when healthy so I think he stays at least till he shows he can play again.

[SAGirl]

Ayton moving on for sure, but I doubt that’s to the Spurs so I’ll let that thought go. Most likely landing place is the Pistons….
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/05/woj-deandre-ayton-is-going-to-get-a-max-contract.htmlhe’s

[rjv]

I have no idea what betonline is basing their odds on. personally, i don't want ayton but i have no idea as to whether or not the spurs would take a flyer on him. i also don't know who the spurs would send back if the suns insisted on a sign and trade.

[KingKev]

I have no idea what betonline is basing their odds on. personally, i don't want ayton but i have no idea as to whether or not the spurs would take a flyer on him. i also don't know who the spurs would send back if the suns insisted on a sign and trade.

I’m not a proponent of an S&T for Ayton but my idea of market value is some combo of Jak, JRich, Vassell and draft capital. Suns probably want cap relief in the process.

Hard fking pass. Detroit has a fetish for over priced traditional bigs. Let Phoenix fleece them.

[rjv]

I’m not a proponent of an S&T for Ayton but my idea of market value is some combo of Jak, JRich, Vassell and draft capital. Suns probably want cap relief in the process.

Hard fking pass. Detroit has a fetish for over priced traditional bigs. Let Phoenix fleece them.

yeah, that'd be way too much for Ayton but not too unrealistic a demand. hard pass, indeed.

[T Park]

Ayton will be a pacer. Mark it down in sharpie.

[TD 21]

I'd forgotten that Chet and Jalen Suggs were high school teammates. Could Orlando try their own version of the Cleveland
experiment-- going extra tall in the front court with Jarrett Allen, Mobley, & Markkanen-- by pairing Chet with Jonathan Isaac and Franz Wagner?

You forgot Carter Jr, who's probably their best player and the exact type of big who'd pair well with Holmgren.

Whether they go Holmgren or Smith to slide in between Carter Jr. and Wagner up front, with Okeke off the bench, Isaac's days are probably numbered.

Given his bizarre MAGA allegiance and his not playing in nearly 2 years, he'll be a difficult move despite being the second most desirable modern archetype.


Have to think Magic with #1 means there is a growing chance Mo Bamba is no longer in their long term plans.

He hasn’t played in 2 years. Tough contract to move plus he can play both 4 and the 5 when healthy so I think he stays at least till he shows he can play again.

If they go Smith, they might retain Bamba. If they go Holmgren, I don't see it.

More of a 4/3.

[KingKev]

You forgot Carter Jr, who's probably their best player and the exact type of big who'd pair well with Holmgren.

Whether they go Holmgren or Smith to slide in between Carter Jr. and Wagner up front, with Okeke off the bench, Isaac's days are probably numbered.

Given his bizarre MAGA allegiance and his not playing in nearly 2 years, he'll be a difficult move despite being the second most desirable modern archetype.



If they go Smith, they might retain Bamba. If they go Holmgren, I don't see it.

More of a 4/3.

It is silly of us to even speculate as the Magic are easily as hopeless as the Kings if not worse.

[PhantomDashCam]

I'd forgotten that Chet and Jalen Suggs were high school teammates. Could Orlando try their own version of the Cleveland
experiment-- going extra tall in the front court with Jarrett Allen, Mobley, & Markkanen-- by pairing Chet with Jonathan Isaac and Franz Wagner?

I believe they will. John Hammond, their GM, was that of the Bucks when they drafted Giannis in 2013. Lengthy anomalies seem to be his thing...

[mo7888]

You forgot Carter Jr, who's probably their best player and the exact type of big who'd pair well with Holmgren.

Whether they go Holmgren or Smith to slide in between Carter Jr. and Wagner up front, with Okeke off the bench, Isaac's days are probably numbered.

Given his bizarre MAGA allegiance and his not playing in nearly 2 years, he'll be a difficult move despite being the second most desirable modern archetype.



If they go Smith, they might retain Bamba. If they go Holmgren, I don't see it.

More of a 4/3.

He's a MAGA guy? I guess I missed that one...

[KingKev]

He's a MAGA guy? I guess I missed that one...

Conservative and anti vaxx. Wrote a book entitled “Why I Stand”

[mo7888]

Conservative and anti vaxx. Wrote a book entitled “Why I Stand”

I knew the anti-vax part...didn't realize he was a conservative though...

[KingKev]

I knew the anti-vax part...didn't realize he was a conservative though...

Haven’t read the book or even the Coles notes but my understanding is Orlando was a tad annoyed with him when he was outspoken. Don’t think it realistically precludes him from us being interested but he definitely has some hair on him at this point.

[Mr. Body]

Funny. I was wondering if the Spurs could absorb Gordon Hayward's contract and what they might get for doing so, but then he's pretty right-wing, too, following Candace Owens on Twitter and other stuff.

[KingKev]

Funny. I was wondering if the Spurs could absorb Gordon Hayward's contract and what they might get for doing so, but then he's pretty right-wing, too, following Candace Owens on Twitter and other stuff.

Lol I think the Spurs are okay with players having their political views so long as it’s professional. Hayward’s deal is steep but healthy (big if) he is still a pretty good 2way player and might make sense for a playoff team. For us I’d want atleast an FRP and them to take McDougie to even consider it.

[rjv]

Have to think Magic with #1 means there is a growing chance Mo Bamba is no longer in their long term plans.

Also, Pistons falling out of top 3 means they are more likely to be interested in Ayton and have the resources to get him.

let them have him.

[rjv]

Funny. I was wondering if the Spurs could absorb Gordon Hayward's contract and what they might get for doing so, but then he's pretty right-wing, too, following Candace Owens on Twitter and other stuff.

gordon hayward's body is less stable than any of his political views could ever be. the spurs don't need to invest in someone who is guaranteed to miss significant time during the season.

[BacktoBasics]

Lol I think the Spurs are okay with players having their political views so long as it’s professional. Hayward’s deal is steep but healthy (big if) he is still a pretty good 2way player and might make sense for a playoff team. For us I’d want atleast an FRP and them to take McDougie to even consider it.

I agree. I have no problem with conservatives or liberals. Its the extremists ala maga that are a problem.

[offset formation]

Do not want Isaac, Bamba, Hayward, or any other guy that can't stay on the court. This team will never develop if one of its primary acquisitions can't stay on the court.

[BackHome]

I agree. I have no problem with conservatives or liberals. Its the extremists ala maga that are a problem.

Same with me but can’t stand the ANTIFA crazy peeps

[Ariel]

gordon hayward's body is less stable than any of his political views could ever be. the spurs don't need to invest in someone who is guaranteed to miss significant time during the season.
If the Spurs take on Hayward it's not because of his on court contribution, but because there are additional assets attached (no. 13, no. 15, Kai Jones, PJ Washington, etc.).

Hayward has 2 years left @ around 30M, McDermott also has 2 years left but at around 14M. A more feasible scenario would be packaging McDermott + Poeltl + filler (Langford, etc) for Hayward + Kai Jones + picks (no 13 + no 15 + possibly more). I this case you're basically adding an extra year of cap burden (the second one) for those assets.

Not saying it's ideal, because you may very well get part of that by simply using Poeltl and there may be cheaper ways to unload McDermott, but if there's a scenario where we take on Hayward, it's more likely something like that.

[Mr. Body]

If the Spurs take on Hayward it's not because of his on court contribution, but because there are additional assets attached (no. 13, no. 15, Kai Jones, PJ Washington, etc.).

Hayward has 2 years left @ around 30M, McDermott also has 2 years left but at around 14M. A more feasible scenario would be packaging McDermott + Poeltl + filler (Langford, etc) for Hayward + Kai Jones + picks (no 13 + no 15 + possibly more). I this case you're basically adding an extra year of cap burden (the second one) for those assets.

Not saying it's ideal, because you may very well get part of that by simply using Poeltl and there may be cheaper ways to unload McDermott, but if there's a scenario where we take on Hayward, it's more likely something like that.

That's the sort of trade I've seen pitched elsewhere. It's basically Poeltl + cap relief. I don't think the Hornets could give up both of their draft picks, however. I can't imagine it would go over well with their fanbase if they're perceived of giving up all those assets for our center.

[Ariel]

That's the sort of trade I've seen pitched elsewhere. It's basically Poeltl + cap relief. I don't think the Hornets could give up both of their draft picks, however. I can't imagine it would go over well with their fanbase if they're perceived of giving up all those assets for our center.
It's more than that: they'd also be placing themselves in prime position for this year's FA market, and more importantly, the next. Provided they keep their core and hire a reputable coach, that could be HUGE. Franchise altering, even. Not a small detail.

[MultiTroll]

1st encouraging off season in 4 years.

Looking forward to 2022-23 progress.

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1st encouraging off season in 4 years.

...

Much too early to be saying that...

[Mr. Body]

It's more than that: they'd also be placing themselves in prime position for this year's FA market, and more importantly, the next. Provided they keep their core and hire a reputable coach, that could be HUGE. Franchise altering, even. Not a small detail.

I'm not disputing, just saying that it's a hard sell to a fanbase to explain why you just dumped your two good draft picks like that. More likely they'd want to keep one.

[rascal]

I'm not disputing, just saying that it's a hard sell to a fanbase to explain why you just dumped your two good draft picks like that. More likely they'd want to keep one.

Yes, don't see them dumping both of those picks unless they are getting into the top 3.

[MultiTroll]

Much too early to be saying that...
But the bar had been set soo low.
Only way to go is up, right?

Will Gramps trade way the young core for Chris Paul?

[Chomag]

Spurs should be trying to capitalize on the falling out with Ayton and Phoenix. Yes I know there can be a risk as (but but he's not cultured enough" then again maybe not but there is no one better max type player with talent that Spurs could find in Free agency.

If you really want to compete in Murray's time line they really need to try luring in these players to play with him. Maybe a little" Spurs "culture might do him some good and if not he would be tradeable down the line. Gotta take some risks to be competitive in this league.

[Mr. Body]

Spurs should be trying to capitalize on the falling out with Ayton and Phoenix. Yes I know there can be a risk as (but but he's not cultured enough" then again maybe not but there is no one better max type player with talent that Spurs could find in Free agency.

If you really want to compete in Murray's time line they really need to try luring in these players to play with him. Maybe a little" Spurs "culture might do him some good and if not he would be tradeable down the line. Gotta take some risks to be competitive in this league.

Ayton at max is a massive mistake and the Spurs should stay away. Getting involved to facilitate a S&T to a team is definitely a good possibility.

[mo7888]

Haven’t read the book or even the Coles notes but my understanding is Orlando was a tad annoyed with him when he was outspoken. Don’t think it realistically precludes him from us being interested but he definitely has some hair on him at this point.

I think that's a reasonable assumption. I haven't read or even read a review on the book but I agree with your assessment.

[4lifecowboy]

The Rockets are open to trading the 3rd pick, what would we be willing to give up.

[John B]

Pop’s disciple Monty benching Ayton in game 7 is not a good sign.

[JPB]

Spurs should be trying to capitalize on the falling out with Ayton and Phoenix. Yes I know there can be a risk as (but but he's not cultured enough" then again maybe not but there is no one better max type player with talent that Spurs could find in Free agency.

If you really want to compete in Murray's time line they really need to try luring in these players to play with him. Maybe a little" Spurs "culture might do him some good and if not he would be tradeable down the line. Gotta take some risks to be competitive in this league.

Actually, that is the opposite. You know what they say, the best trades (or signings) are the ones you don't make. Competitive teams make wise, calculated moves, the ones who make risky (some would say stupid) moves usually pay the price for several years... This isn't a video game, you can't just get rid like that of a maxed Ayton if that doesn't do it, specially with his recent history. That would be a red flag for most teams or you would be on the wrong side of any trade anyway.

No way I sign and max Ayton if I'm Wright.

[rjv]

The Rockets are open to trading the 3rd pick, what would we be willing to give up.

i don't know if the rockets are thinking of trading down as far as #9. i think they know that the pistons want into the top three and that would be their best trade target.

[John B]

The Rockets are open to trading the 3rd pick, what would we be willing to give up.

I doubt they take a package around Keldon. But DJ + 20 for Banchero? I’d draft Davis at #9.

[rjv]

I doubt they take a package around Keldon. But DJ + 20 for Banchero? I’d draft Davis at #9.

the rockets would certainly love this deal so it's a good value assessment but :nope. I like Banchero, but no way am i on board with giving up DJ for him.

[John B]

the rockets would certainly love this deal so it's a good value assessment but :nope. I like Banchero, but no way am i on board with giving up DJ for him.

Why not? DJ will be a max contract in 2 years. Instead, Spurs can build around Banchero, Vassell, Davis (who is a bullish 2-way) and Primo. Draft Williams at 15.

I like DJ, but there are still flaws in his game, not getting enough FT, etc. I think Banchero has a higher ceiling, just imo.

[mo7888]

the rockets would certainly love this deal so it's a good value assessment but :nope. I like Banchero, but no way am i on board with giving up DJ for him.

I'd have to strongly consider DJ for #3

[Biggems]

I want Christian Wood. Is there any reasonable trade scenario that could make that happen, players and/or picks?

[scott]

The Rockets are open to trading the 3rd pick, what would we be willing to give up.

Would anyone be willing to give up #9 and two future FRPs to make this happen? If for Banchero, I'd do it.

[tbdog]

I want Christian Wood. Is there any reasonable trade scenario that could make that happen, players and/or picks?

He isn't good. He can't defend. And he isn't good enough offensively.

[Mr. Body]

He isn't good. He can't defend. And he isn't good enough offensively.

And he's a me-first headcase. Hard pass.

[CGD]

I want Christian Wood. Is there any reasonable trade scenario that could make that happen, players and/or picks?

That guy is a clown

[slick'81]

That guy is a clown

yea other then hes young on a cheap deal i dont get the hype. I mean he is the best player on Houston but they absolutely suck

[CGD]

I'd have to strongly consider DJ for #3

Same here, just don’t get the fit for Houston

[slick'81]

Same here, just don’t get the fit for Houston


yea noway hou is doing #3 for dj

[RC_Drunkford]

I think as far as whole offseason:

You see what Houston wants for #3 aka Banchero (obviously chances on getting a good deal are close to 0)

You see if you can get to 6-7 to get Keegan Murray who might even fall to #9

You try to move up into the lat teens by packaging 20 and 25

You see what you can get in the draft for J-Rich and/or Poeltl

You let Walker walk

You make a run at Ayton and LaVine

You see if you can get a John Collins, Jerami Grant or other interesting pieces via trade

You see if there's a package available to get rid of McDermott

You fill out the roster with young guys like Jalen Smith

[Chomag]

I guess you guys will be happy if we just sign more scrubs. San antonio is not a top free agent destination yet I'm curious why yall think we can be picky and choosy.

[rascal]

yea noway hou is doing #3 for dj

Houston gets 9th + 15th + DJ
Charlotte get Poeltl + 25th
Spurs get 3rd and 13th

Spurs reset roster on a rebuild

[mo7888]

Houston gets 9th + 15th + DJ
Charlotte get Poeltl + 25th
Spurs get 3rd and 13th

Spurs reset roster on a rebuild

Honestly, I think Houston and Charlotte would strongly consider that proposal. I'm not sure our fo would but I think they should at least consider it.

[CGD]

Lotta chatter about Bamba on the outs with ORL with them securing yet another big (likely Chet). Do we offer an sheet and dare ORL to match? Bamba’s tools seem interesting but he seems like a dumdum

[rascal]

Sacramento gets- DJ + 15 +25
Charlotte gets - Poeltl + 20
Spurs get - 4 + 13

Spurs draft 4-Sharpe/Ivey + 9-Mathurin/Duren + 13-Williams/Sochan or Eason

[RC_Drunkford]

You don’t trade DJ period. It’s not even a given that the top 3 in this draft will be better players than him

[rascal]

You don’t trade DJ period. It’s not even a given that the top 3 in this draft will be better players than him

If the Spurs can come away in this draft with Sharpe -SF, Mathurin- SG and Williams- C I'd give up Murray and Poeltl. That's a higher upside two year plan foundation of a team than standing with the current roster.

Murray isn't even a good fit for the current players playing around him. He needs better running mates to bring out his full potential.


That's a future starting core. Sign a veteran PG and have a two year plan for high draft pick upgrades.

[RC_Drunkford]

If the Spurs can come away in this draft with Sharpe -SF, Mathurin- SG and Williams- C I'd give up Murray and Poeltl. That's a higher upside two year plan foundation of a team than standing with the current roster.

Murray isn't even a good fit for the current players playing around him. He needs better running mates to bring out his full potential.


That's a future starting core. Sign a veteran PG and have a two year plan for high draft pick upgrades.

doesn't make sense since this team wouldn't have a PG. If you give up Vassell and Keldon, maybe but DJ is an All-Star

[rascal]

doesn't make sense since this team wouldn't have a PG. If you give up Vassell and Keldon, maybe but DJ is an All-Star

Sign a veteran pg. You aren't going to be a contender anyways keeping DJ next year. It's going to be a two to three year plan to turn the team into a contender.

Vassell and Keldon won't be enough to get the 4th pick.
They are just average players on a non playoff team and backups on a top team. A good chance Murray won't even be enough either in an offer for the 4th pick.

[RC_Drunkford]

Sign a veteran pg. You aren't going to be a contender anyways keeping DJ next year. It's going to be a two to three year plan to turn the team into a contender.

Vassell and Keldon won't be enough to get the 4th pick.
They are just average players on a non playoff team and backups on a top team. A good chance Murray won't even be enough either in an offer for the 4th pick.

an All-Star ain't enough for Jayden Ivey? :lmao That's bogus, Kings would jump on that in no time

You act like Mathurin, Sharpe and Williams is a future big 3 or something. The Spurs can speed up the process depending on how aggressive they are on the market, it's just that they never are

[rascal]

an All-Star ain't enough for Jayden Ivey? :lmao That's bogus, Kings would jump on that in no time

You act like Mathurin, Sharpe and Williams is a future big 3 or something. The Spurs can speed up the process depending on how aggressive they are on the market, it's just that they never are

I'd take those guys for the future foundation instead of DJ and Poeltl and draft pick 9.

[rascal]

an All-Star ain't enough for Jayden Ivey? :lmao That's bogus, Kings would jump on that in no time

You act like Mathurin, Sharpe and Williams is a future big 3 or something. The Spurs can speed up the process depending on how aggressive they are on the market, it's just that they never are

The Spurs are no longer a winning team. It's not going to be easy to get players to sign in San Antonio.

[RC_Drunkford]

The Spurs are no longer a winning team. It's not going to be easy to get players to sign in San Antonio.

Thats why the Spurs gotta trade and overpay free agents

[Ariel]

I think as far as whole offseason:

You see what Houston wants for #3 aka Banchero (obviously chances on getting a good deal are close to 0)
You see if you can get to 6-7 to get Keegan Murray who might even fall to #9

You try to move up into the lat teens by packaging 20 and 25

You see what you can get in the draft for J-Rich and/or Poeltl

You let Walker walk

You make a run at Ayton and LaVine

You see if you can get a John Collins, Jerami Grant or other interesting pieces via trade

You see if there's a package available to get rid of McDermott

You fill out the roster with young guys like Jalen Smith
Yes to green, no to red.
Ayton is not worthy of a max contract and will likely require additional assets via S&T. Lavine's knees concern me and would rush the timeline, as this team is not yet ready to go all out. Collins is far too injured and expensive for what he brings on the court. Grant will require significant assets to acquire and will command around 28M per year.
Also I'm fine with Keegan Murray at no. 9, but I don't think he'll be available there and I wouldn't overpay to trade up for him. I might just stay at no. 9 or trade back a bit and Sochan will likely still be available, or pick up Liddell @25.
Finally, I think we should explore other options, such as a trade up with Sacramento. You never know what's on their head, they may trade their pick for McDermott, given their history (joking, obviously. Not even they are that stupid). Supposedly they're trying to win now, maybe Keldon or Vassell would be of interest to them, along with no. 9 in a package for no. 4. And I don't think Banchero @4 is out of the question, if we pay attention to the Rocket's recent statements about being open to trading the pick, which implies they're not completely sold on taking consensus pick @3, i.e. Banchero.

[rascal]

Yes to green, no to red.
Ayton is not worthy of a max contract and will likely require additional assets via S&T. Lavine's knees concern me and would rush the timeline, as this team is not yet ready to go all out. Collins is far too injured and expensive for what he brings on the court. Grant will require significant assets to acquire and will command around 28M per year.
Also I'm fine with Keegan Murray at no. 9, but I don't think he'll be available there and I wouldn't overpay to trade up for him. I might just stay at no. 9 or trade back a bit and Sochan will likely still be available, or pick up Liddell @25.
Finally, I think we should explore other options, such as a trade up with Sacramento. You never know what's on their head, they may trade their pick for McDermott, given their history (joking, obviously. Not even they are that stupid). Supposedly they're trying to win now, maybe Keldon or Vassell would be of interest to them, along with no. 9 in a package for no. 4. And I don't think Banchero @4 is out of the question, if we pay attention to the Rocket's recent statements about being open to trading the pick, which implies they're not completely sold on taking consensus pick @3, i.e. Banchero.

Sochan doesn't move the Spurs up much. They still won't have a high end offensive scorer. That's what they need more than a solid defender. Just moving up in the draft 3 or 4 spots can get the spurs that future high end scorer.

[Ariel]

Sochan doesn't move the Spurs up much. They still won't have a high end offensive scorer. That's what they need more than a solid defender. Just moving up in the draft 3 or 4 spots can get the spurs that future high end scorer.
Who is that certain go to scorer available at 5/6 that's not available at 9? I hope you don't say Keegan Murray (may be nice, but definitely not focal point of a contender's offense), Mathurin (may be available at 9) or Sharpe (pipe dream and far from a sure thing).
I'd only pay a premium (to a degree) for Banchero or Ivey, other than that I'd maximize the value of the picks by taking best player available (maybe Mathurin) or multiple starting caliber players who fit a need (trading down and picking up Davis/Daniels + Sochan/Eason).

[Joseph Kony]

Some of y'all think real life is like NBA 2k or some shit :lol

The Spurs arent trading their all-star PG for a pick. The optics look terrible and would be horrible for team morale

[rascal]

Some of y'all think real life is like NBA 2k or some shit :lol

The Spurs arent trading their all-star PG for a pick. The optics look terrible and would be horrible for team morale

Over time Sharpe and Ivey will end up with more all stars appearances than DJ. They both have higher potential and I doubt a team would want DJ in a trade for either one of those guys.


DJ might not even be an all star next year depending on player movement in the West next year. He's a borderline level all star player and just made it because the Spurs have little to nothing else close to a star on the roster so he got enough counting stats.

The west was weak last year in all star talent.
Spur fans always over rate their players.

[rascal]

Some of y'all think real life is like NBA 2k or some shit :lol

The Spurs arent trading their all-star PG for a pick. The optics look terrible and would be horrible for team morale

There's going to be moves and trades on draft night. There's already rumors of a team or two in the top six considering trading down.

[JPB]

I'd take those guys for the future foundation instead of DJ and Poeltl and draft pick 9.

Then you'd be a terrible GM. You know what you have with DJM and Jak, you have no idea with you three college players with zero games in the NBA, except they ain't future superstars and you'd have 3 starting rookies at the same time in a team getting destroyed every night. Not vey good to learn the game.

That would be just wishful thinking at that point and fantasizing about new kids in town who would necessarily be better than what you have... Then they bust and you lost DJM and Jak for crap.

[rascal]

Then you'd be a terrible GM. You know what you have with DJM and Jak, you have no idea with you three college players with zero games in the NBA, except they ain't future superstars and you'd have 3 starting rookies at the same time in a team getting destroyed every night. Not vey good to learn the game.

That would be just wishful thinking at that point and fantasizing about new kids in town who would necessarily be better than what you have... Then they bust and you lost DJM and Jak for crap.

With your logic every new player entering the league out of this draft is not worth trading DJ for because they haven't played yet in the league.

[Mr. Body]

Then you'd be a terrible GM. You know what you have with DJM and Jak, you have no idea with you three college players with zero games in the NBA, except they ain't future superstars and you'd have 3 starting rookies at the same time in a team getting destroyed every night. Not vey good to learn the game.

That would be just wishful thinking at that point and fantasizing about new kids in town who would necessarily be better than what you have... Then they bust and you lost DJM and Jak for crap.

Right. There seems to be some overrating those top picks because we missed out on the lottery. People fell in love with their favorites. Honestly, though, I don't see any of the top 3-4 as sure fire players at all. Much rather stay where we are, or at least not sell the farm to take limited upside guys.

[scott]

If Sochan doesn’t move the needle on the offensive end, that’s okay. There are still some home run swigs later you can take at 20 like Hardy or Miller.

I’d definitely take Mathurin if he’s there tho

[Joseph Kony]

Over time Sharpe and Ivey will end up with more all stars appearances than DJ. They both have higher potential and I doubt a team would want DJ in a trade for either one of those guys.


DJ might not even be an all star next year depending on player movement in the West next year. He's a borderline level all star player and just made it because the Spurs have little to nothing else close to a star on the roster so he got enough counting stats.

The west was weak last year in all star talent.
Spur fans always over rate their players.

I'm not saying that it's not possible for either of them to be allstars or better players someday. But i'm saying in real life, teams don't just trade their young, loyal, all-star PG on a friendly deal for a guy in a draft with no consensus #1. it is way more probable that neither of them ever become as good as DG. i understand wanting to take risks and swing for the fence, but it's just not realistic and considering how pro-Spurs DJ is, trading him for a pick would look really bad for any potential FA targets. Imo it's just one of those things that's so unrealistic and un-Spurslike that it's not worth discussing

Besides, almost every draft there's someone taken after the top 5 picks that ends up being better than some of the dudes in the top 5. 2020 you had Haliburton/Bane/Maxey, 2019 you have Keldon/Poole/Herro, 2018 Bridges/Bridges/SGA, etc.

[rascal]

I'm not saying that it's not possible for either of them to be allstars or better players someday. But i'm saying in real life, teams don't just trade their young, loyal, all-star PG on a friendly deal for a guy in a draft with no consensus #1. it is way more probable that neither of them ever become as good as DG. i understand wanting to take risks and swing for the fence, but it's just not realistic and considering how pro-Spurs DJ is, trading him for a pick would look really bad for any potential FA targets. Imo it's just one of those things that's so unrealistic and un-Spurslike that it's not worth discussing

Besides, almost every draft there's someone taken after the top 5 picks that ends up being better than some of the dudes in the top 5. 2020 you had Haliburton/Bane/Maxey, 2019 you have Keldon/Poole/Herro, 2018 Bridges/Bridges/SGA, etc.

I was high on Mikael Bridges and that was the player I wanted the spurs to target in that draft.

[rascal]

I'm not saying that it's not possible for either of them to be allstars or better players someday. But i'm saying in real life, teams don't just trade their young, loyal, all-star PG on a friendly deal for a guy in a draft with no consensus #1. it is way more probable that neither of them ever become as good as DG. i understand wanting to take risks and swing for the fence, but it's just not realistic and considering how pro-Spurs DJ is, trading him for a pick would look really bad for any potential FA targets. Imo it's just one of those things that's so unrealistic and un-Spurslike that it's not worth discussing

Besides, almost every draft there's someone taken after the top 5 picks that ends up being better than some of the dudes in the top 5. 2020 you had Haliburton/Bane/Maxey, 2019 you have Keldon/Poole/Herro, 2018 Bridges/Bridges/SGA, etc.

In real life the Spurs don't make any trades on draft night and just draft in their draft spots.
And don't add any huge difference maker out of the draft and try to continue just to develop the core as is. So let's not discuss anything on the draft about trades.

Boring

[DPG21920]

I will bet that Sa makes a trade sometime during/leading up to draft and/or into free agency.

[Mr. Body]

I will bet that Sa makes a trade sometime during/leading up to draft and/or into free agency.

Without a doubt. They're not going to use all 4 picks the way they stand. Not sure they'll move players on the roster yet.

[DPG21920]

Without a doubt. They're not going to use all 4 picks the way they stand. Not sure they'll move players on the roster yet.

I think they will if they can get value. I think they would trade Richardson if it moved them up or netted them another first (future). I can see players being used in a sign and trade as well if SA is going to land someone like Lavine or Ayton for example. Lots of paths IMO

[RC_Drunkford]

Right. There seems to be some overrating those top picks because we missed out on the lottery. People fell in love with their favorites. Honestly, though, I don't see any of the top 3-4 as sure fire players at all. Much rather stay where we are, or at least not sell the farm to take limited upside guys.

people here think they are franchise players, but that's far from sure. Banchero is projected to be a Tobias Harris type of player for example.

[rascal]

I will bet that Sa makes a trade sometime during/leading up to draft and/or into free agency.

I don't think they make any big splash of a trade, something minor like trading a pick for a future pick or a deep bench player off the roster to make room for the draft picks this year.

Not expecting any trade on draft night that significantly will make them a changed team.

[DPG21920]

I don't think they make any big splash of a trade, something minor like trading a pick for a future pick or a deep bench player off the roster to make room for the draft picks this year.

Not expecting any trade on draft night that significantly will make them a changed team.

Well, theres very rarely a trade like that anyone does tbh..

[rascal]

Well, theres very rarely a trade like that anyone does tbh..

There are always trades on draft night.

[DPG21920]

There are always trades on draft night.

Not that meet your criteria of “significantly changing” a team

[BackHome]

Yeah if the Spurs can't get Lavine or Ayton then there best best is to get in the trade action and be a facilitator in taking a bad contract from someone and getting draft picks for that contract.

[rascal]

There needs to be an over haul of the roster as constructed. No one should be untradeable.
DJ gets into foul trouble in the first half and the play in game is lost against NO.

No go to scorer who can get the team back in that game and without adding one this offseason there won't be a huge improvement from last year's 14 game below .500 team.

The Spurs are not good. Don't let them making the play in game fool you into thinking they had a good season.

14 games below .500 with no significant injuries was not good.

[KingKev]

There needs to be an over haul of the roster as constructed. No one should be untradeable.
DJ gets into foul trouble in the first half and the play in game is lost against NO.

No go to scorer who can get the team back in that game and without adding one this offseason there won't be a huge improvement from last year's 14 game below .500 team.

The Spurs are not good. Don't let them making the play in game fool you into thinking they had a good season.

14 games below .500 with no significant injuries was not good.

Truth to this as we only made the play-in because other teams started to tank late in the season or had injuries. I don’t see an over haul coming as PATFO are too stubborn but I think we need to push restart as soon as possible. This rister is already getting crowded with 10 average players who don’t complement each other.

Our 4th best player through 10th best are basically equal. None very good.

[buttsR4rebounding]

There needs to be an over haul of the roster as constructed. No one should be untradeable.
DJ gets into foul trouble in the first half and the play in game is lost against NO.

No go to scorer who can get the team back in that game and without adding one this offseason there won't be a huge improvement from last year's 14 game below .500 team.


If the Spurs aren’t able to land a player they might covet (i.e. Ayton, Lavine, etc.) I think they should look to punt the cap space to next year by taking advantage of Lakers desperation. Richardson, McDerm, Langford for Westbrook, 27 and 29 1sts and Washington’s 28 2nd. Clears McD’s and Langford’s 23-24 salary so even with KJs caphold Spurs have major cap space. Likely a lottery team one last time. Tons of picks to facilitate bringing in a difference maker. Maybe luck out in the lottery-third times a charm. I don’t think the Lakers can win a ring, but it gives them what they need and allows them to sign Monk to the non taxpayer MLE.

[talkspurs]

would anyone be interested in a trade with Charlotte or NY of our 9th and 25 for their first this year and their first next year. I would rather do NY as less drop and I dont see them getting better but I see the Hornets being the more likely team to say yes. Might do a few others but those would be the first teams I would reach out to.

[DPG21920]

would anyone be interested in a trade with Charlotte or NY of our 9th and 25 for their first this year and their first next year. I would rather do NY as less drop and I dont see them getting better but I see the Hornets being the more likely team to say yes. Might do a few others but those would be the first teams I would reach out to.

Why would SA give up the better pick and another to move back? If they were willing to give up 13 and a future first for pick 9 sure. But not pick 9 and 25.

[talkspurs]

Why would SA give up the better pick and another to move back? If they were willing to give up 13 and a future first for pick 9 sure. But not pick 9 and 25.

because your moving back a few spots and your thinking next years pick will be about where this years pick is. So the trade would hopefully be this years 9 and 25 for their 13th pick this year and their 13th pick next year. 4 spots especially if you dont have a player you want at 9 or think they would drop to 13th is not much of a drop. It also would spread out some of our picks. this could end up being a better pick then this year but could also be worse as we dont know where they will end up. As long as they dont end up top 5 next year we would have next years pick be better then this years 25th pick.

[CGD]

would anyone be interested in a trade with Charlotte or NY of our 9th and 25 for their first this year and their first next year. I would rather do NY as less drop and I dont see them getting better but I see the Hornets being the more likely team to say yes. Might do a few others but those would be the first teams I would reach out to.

I’d rather try to get 14 (CLE), 15 (CHA), or 16 (ATL) with 20 and 25. Target would be someone like Deing if he there in that range.

[DPG21920]

because your moving back a few spots and your thinking next years pick will be about where this years pick is. So the trade would hopefully be this years 9 and 25 for their 13th pick this year and their 13th pick next year. 4 spots especially if you dont have a player you want at 9 or think they would drop to 13th is not much of a drop. It also would spread out some of our picks. this could end up being a better pick then this year but could also be worse as we dont know where they will end up. As long as they dont end up top 5 next year we would have next years pick be better then this years 25th pick.

I see, ya, if they are basically offering a pick virtually unprotected or light? Sure. Dont think they would though

[talkspurs]

I see, ya, if they are basically offering a pick virtually unprotected or light? Sure. Dont think they would though

I would think it would be top 3 or 4 protected. I would not go more then that. If they do it loses the reason for doing the trade. The point is to try and get another good pick next year from a trade while not losing to much this year.

[talkspurs]

I’d rather try to get 14 (CLE), 15 (CHA), or 16 (ATL) with 20 and 25. Target would be someone like Deing if he there in that range.

I actually dont like a lot of the players around 14/15/16 or even 9 for that matter on mock drafts. This is why moving back and getting another pick next year works. And yes I realize all players picked after 14 could have been picked there. BTW I want jovic with the 20th pick

[KingKev]

Crazy the Wizards are about to give Beal 250mm over 5yrs. That is going to easily be the worst contract in the NBA in a few years. Russ/JWall level bad.

[mo7888]

Crazy the Wizards are about to give Beal 250mm over 5yrs. That is going to easily be the worst contract in the NBA in a few years. Russ/JWall level bad.

I'm sure they can trade him to Lebron in a year...lol

[exstatic]

true Spurs fans would much rather have 2 older bench players who earn 12-15 million each per year :lol

I don't want any older players until we make the playoffs. There's no point, as they're usually support players, and not someone who will vault you into the playoffs.

I LIKE Josh Richardson, and I want them to monetize him, as in the long run, the pick(s) would be more valuable than one more season of Josh.

[exstatic]

Completely agree that the Spurs won't tank, if tanking means purposely losing games. That's for sure. But they won't need to tank if they stick with the current roster. There's no one on this team that creates a mismatch game after game. Solid role players across the board but certainly no dawgs who can lead a team to four wins in a 7-game series, much less a championship. But in 2023, that can change. So I'm hoping they stockpile capital and assets toward that.

The current roster had a slightly positive net rating. BBREF had our expected record at 41-41 last year. Sean said on the telecast of one of the last few games that even adding nothing, this team will be better next year. We'll be adding a lottery pick, and probably be doing some trades and non-splashy FA signings.

[Drom John]

deleted, wrong thread.

[Ocotillo]

I don't want any older players until we make the playoffs. There's no point, as they're usually support players, and not someone who will vault you into the playoffs.

I LIKE Josh Richardson, and I want them to monetize him, as in the long run, the pick(s) would be more valuable than one more season of Josh.

You make a good point. Where I differ (and this does not necessarily apply to Josh) is I am an advocate of having a veteran presence on a young team to help mentor/acclimate the guys to the league. With our culture, you want a solid citizen type. I had hopes last year Thad Young would be that guy and while he was not what I would call a malcontent, he did not want that role. Clearly they were saving him for a trade chip and it worked.

I am thinking back to the Mario Elie or Jerome Kersey type that was around in the early days of the Duncan dynasty. I think that is why the guys get along with Josh Richardson so well is he is a good guy, not over the hill and has been around and doesn't cop an attitude about his role. That being said, I agree his value is in fetching us an asset down the road. Clear as mud?

[KingKev]

The current roster had a slightly positive net rating. BBREF had our expected record at 41-41 last year. Sean said on the telecast of one of the last few games that even adding nothing, this team will be better next year. We'll be adding a lottery pick, and probably be doing some trades and non-splashy FA signings.

It is all relative and let’s not forget some of the good fortune we had to even make the play-in. Reasons to be optimistic this team finally bottoms out:

- Healthy Lakers
- Healthy Clippers
- Healthy and retooled Blazers
- Healthy Nuggets
- Healthy Pelicans

We will be right back to battling Sacramento, OKC and Houston for the worst team in the West but all of them will atleast have young cornerstones to work with.

[KingKev]

You make a good point. Where I differ (and this does not necessarily apply to Josh) is I am an advocate of having a veteran presence on a young team to help mentor/acclimate the guys to the league. With our culture, you want a solid citizen type. I had hopes last year Thad Young would be that guy and while he was not what I would call a malcontent, he did not want that role. Clearly they were saving him for a trade chip and it worked.

I am thinking back to the Mario Elie or Jerome Kersey type that was around in the early days of the Duncan dynasty. I think that is why the guys get along with Josh Richardson so well is he is a good guy, not over the hill and has been around and doesn't cop an attitude about his role. That being said, I agree his value is in fetching us an asset down the road. Clear as mud?

Vets like Mario Elie, Jerome Kersey, Kevin Willis etc etc don’t come to bottom 5 teams these days unless paid a premium unfortunately.

Might as well just pay a retired vet in a coaching capacity if you are this talentless.

[Ocotillo]

Vets like Mario Elie, Jerome Kersey, Kevin Willis etc etc don’t come to bottom 5 teams these days unless paid a premium unfortunately.

Might as well just pay a retired vet in a coaching capacity if you are this talentless. And that is another thought that has been in the back of my mind, with Becky gone, it would be nice to bring in a former NBA player to replace her as an assistant.

[KingKev]

And that is another thought that has been in the back of my mind, with Becky gone, it would be nice to bring in a former NBA player to replace her as an assistant.

Yeah an internship in coaching while mentoring the young guys.

[The Truth #6]

And that is another thought that has been in the back of my mind, with Becky gone, it would be nice to bring in a former NBA player to replace her as an assistant.

Our current assistant coaches could be good, and maybe it's the new approved attire coaches can wear, but they look like aerobic instructors from Gold's Gym. It seems odd that we can't get an assistant coach with any legitimate experience.

[exstatic]

I have no idea what betonline is basing their odds on. personally, i don't want ayton but i have no idea as to whether or not the spurs would take a flyer on him. i also don't know who the spurs would send back if the suns insisted on a sign and trade.

Phoenix can't really insist on anything if we drop an offer sheet. They can only match or decline.

(not advocating this course of action)

[exstatic]

Spurs should be trying to capitalize on the falling out with Ayton and Phoenix. Yes I know there can be a risk as (but but he's not cultured enough" then again maybe not but there is no one better max type player with talent that Spurs could find in Free agency.

If you really want to compete in Murray's time line they really need to try luring in these players to play with him. Maybe a little" Spurs "culture might do him some good and if not he would be tradeable down the line. Gotta take some risks to be competitive in this league.

It's not that he's not cultured enough, he's jut flat not good enough. He's a traditional big man on offense, meaning he needs to be spoonfed, and he's a meh rebounder and defender.

[KingKev]

It's not that he's not cultured enough, he's jut flat not good enough. He's a traditional
big man on offense, meaning he needs to be spoonfed, and he's a meh rebounder and defender.

Yeah I mean look at how well other bigs faired when Ayton was down. CP3 is a pretty damn good traditional PG.

DJ and Jak had a nice rapport this year and I don’t want to take anything away from Jak as he sets great screens and really worked on his offensive game but I can sit here and argue Ayton leaves Phoenix and becomes better offensively here.

I will argue there are other cheaper alternatives at the 5 DJ could probably spoon feed on that side of the ball however.

[exstatic]

Yeah if the Spurs can't get Lavine or Ayton then there best best is to get in the trade action and be a facilitator in taking a bad contract from someone and getting draft picks for that contract.

We could probably lift PHO's 2024 FRP in about 5 minutes for taking Saric's $9.67M if they decide to pay or match Ayton, assuming it wasn't us that dropped the offer. They have 9 players signed for like $122M without Ayton. If they flip Saric and sign Ayton, they're still at 9 players, around $150M payroll, and have to sign 4 more players to NBA contracts. The beauty is, he's healthy now and can play minutes, and could probably be flipped at the deadline for another asset.

[Chinook]

Maybe this has been discussed already, but what would folks' Durant offer be? He's obviously the franchise centerpiece the team would need, and he and Murray would be a good start. But you'd think the Spurs would need to find a way to get a third star around them to make it even worth entertaining. You'd definitely want to keep the win-now players on the roster, but you also can't afford to trade away the future. Is there a middle ground? I don't know. Ideally, the Spurs would sign someone with cap space and then trade for Durant, but I don't know that there's anyone on the market that would fit. I don't love Lavine in that role, for example. I guess if they wanted to be insane, they could try to trade for Durant and squeeze Irving into the remaining cap space, but that's not a max slot. It would be a contender (similar to what the Nets could expect had Simmons come back), but I don't think I'd put them down as a Finals lock, and the cost would be dramatic.

[Chinook]

We could probably lift PHO's 2024 FRP in about 5 minutes for taking Saric's $9.67M if they decide to pay or match Ayton, assuming it wasn't us that dropped the offer. They have 9 players signed for like $122M without Ayton. If they flip Saric and sign Ayton, they're still at 9 players, around $150M payroll, and have to sign 4 more players to NBA contracts. The beauty is, he's healthy now and can play minutes, and could probably be flipped at the deadline for another asset.

Saric isn't actually healthy now. He had another surgery this month...

[Mugen]

Maybe this has been discussed already, but what would folks' Durant offer be? He's obviously the franchise centerpiece the team would need, and he and Murray would be a good start. But you'd think the Spurs would need to find a way to get a third star around them to make it even worth entertaining. You'd definitely want to keep the win-now players on the roster, but you also can't afford to trade away the future. Is there a middle ground? I don't know. Ideally, the Spurs would sign someone with cap space and then trade for Durant, but I don't know that there's anyone on the market that would fit. I don't love Lavine in that role, for example. I guess if they wanted to be insane, they could try to trade for Durant and squeeze Irving into the remaining cap space, but that's not a max slot. It would be a contender (similar to what the Nets could expect had Simmons come back), but I don't think I'd put them down as a Finals lock, and the cost would be dramatic.

3 firsts (this year or future or combo) + 2 of Tre/Devin/Keldon/Primo + any other salary filler needed

Not even sure that offer gets you in the convo...but I actually think Lavine would work pretty great with Durant/DJ and the Spurs are probably a top 3 seed lock in the West next year tbh

[Joseph Kony]

Maybe this has been discussed already, but what would folks' Durant offer be? He's obviously the franchise centerpiece the team would need, and he and Murray would be a good start. But you'd think the Spurs would need to find a way to get a third star around them to make it even worth entertaining. You'd definitely want to keep the win-now players on the roster, but you also can't afford to trade away the future. Is there a middle ground? I don't know. Ideally, the Spurs would sign someone with cap space and then trade for Durant, but I don't know that there's anyone on the market that would fit. I don't love Lavine in that role, for example. I guess if they wanted to be insane, they could try to trade for Durant and squeeze Irving into the remaining cap space, but that's not a max slot. It would be a contender (similar to what the Nets could expect had Simmons come back), but I don't think I'd put them down as a Finals lock, and the cost would be dramatic.

Something like 2023 1st, 2025 Bulls 1st, 2026 1st + any 2 of Keldon/Poeltl/Vassell/Primo and additional salary filler

[Chinook]

From what I've seen, the Spurs would be able to go into the off-season with the cap to sign Lavine outright while also maintaining the contracts to trade for Durant. They'd technically have the cap to sign all of their picks and then make the trade, but I can't imagine 2022 picks not being part of the package. The Spurs could end up with a rotation of:

Murray, Jones
Lavine, Primo
Vassell,
Durant
Poeltl

With whatever picks remaining, the room exception and minimum contracts available to supplement it. That's obviously a very interesting starting lineup, and I'm sure there would be a number of ring-chasers available to fill some gaps. Some of the depth guys who were cut to get the cap space for Lavine might be able to be brought back cheaply. If the team stays healthy, they have a chance to come out of the West, but I don't think they'd be favorites.

[mo7888]

Maybe this has been discussed already, but what would folks' Durant offer be? He's obviously the franchise centerpiece the team would need, and he and Murray would be a good start. But you'd think the Spurs would need to find a way to get a third star around them to make it even worth entertaining. You'd definitely want to keep the win-now players on the roster, but you also can't afford to trade away the future. Is there a middle ground? I don't know. Ideally, the Spurs would sign someone with cap space and then trade for Durant, but I don't know that there's anyone on the market that would fit. I don't love Lavine in that role, for example. I guess if they wanted to be insane, they could try to trade for Durant and squeeze Irving into the remaining cap space, but that's not a max slot. It would be a contender (similar to what the Nets could expect had Simmons come back), but I don't think I'd put them down as a Finals lock, and the cost would be dramatic.

That's an interesting proposition. I would think Durant would have to request a trade and have us on the short list to be viable. I'd think the package would be 3 1sts and 2 pick swaps, KJ or Devin and Primo + the salary to make it a legal trade. I'd personally prefer Lavine over Kyrie but ultimately I'd take either if thats what it takes to get the deal done.

A DJ, Lavine, Devin, KD, and Poetl would be very interesting and I think the balance would make them better than what Brooklyn put on the floor this year. A couple interesting rookies from the picks we didn't include in the deal and a couple well placed vets would round out the team quite nicely.

[Mugen]

From what I've seen, the Spurs would be able to go into the off-season with the cap to sign Lavine outright while also maintaining the contracts to trade for Durant. They'd technically have the cap to sign all of their picks and then make the trade, but I can't imagine 2022 picks not being part of the package. The Spurs could end up with a rotation of:

Murray, Jones
Lavine, Primo
Vassell,
Durant
Poeltl

With whatever picks remaining, the room exception and minimum contracts available to supplement it. That's obviously a very interesting starting lineup, and I'm sure there would be a number of ring-chasers available to fill some gaps. Some of the depth guys who were cut to get the cap space for Lavine might be able to be brought back cheaply. If the team stays healthy, they have a chance to come out of the West, but I don't think they'd be favorites.

:lol Pipe dream lineup but sign me up tbh

[Chinook]

:lol Pipe dream lineup but sign me up tbh

The package would be: McDermott, Richardson, Johnson, 9 and 20 (as signed players to be trade; or Langford can be added in as ballast) along with 23 unprotected, 24 swap, and both of SA's and Chicago's picks in 25. That might not be the best offer, but I could see it being way more competitive than fans may assume.

So that leaves 25 and 38 for 23 and some random seconds for the next few years after that. That should be useful for getting some win-now depth. I'd even use the room exception to get another wing and rely on minimum contracts to fill up the center depth.

Maybe:

Murray, Jones, Alondes Williams (38)
Lavine, Primo, Langford (assuming the Nets didn't need him for the trade, just some depth guy if they did)
Vassell, Lonnie Walker (room exception -- and yes, I went there), Wieskamp (vet min)
Durant, Liddell (25), KBD (vet min previously cut for cap reasons)
Poeltl, Gorgui Dieng (vet min), Cacock

Getting Dieng or another center to take the min is definitely the hard part about this. That may cost their RE, but they definitely should try to spend it on a sixth man, since scoring depth is basically non-existent on the roster.

[tbdog]

Did i miss a durant rumour?

[Maddog]

Did i miss a durant rumour?

Yeah right
I look this thread at the tail end and find out the Spurs are signing Lavine and trading for Durant
Amazing

[Chinook]

Did i miss a durant rumour?

You did. Apparently he hasn't spoken to the Nets front office since the season ended. They don't want to give Irving a long-term deal, and some folks believe that would make Durant ask out.

[scott]

I don't want any older players until we make the playoffs. There's no point, as they're usually support players, and not someone who will vault you into the playoffs.

I LIKE Josh Richardson, and I want them to monetize him, as in the long run, the pick(s) would be more valuable than one more season of Josh.

I get it, but at some point you need some vets otherwise its the inmates running the asylum. I think the idea of someone like JRich (and to a way lesser extent, McBuckets) as that locker room mentor role... right up until the deadline where we monetize them, as you put it. (I'm ready to deal McBuckets now, but I doubt there are any takers for even a future 2nd at this point).

For the same reason, I wouldn't mind someone like Ibaka on the bench.

[scott]

And that is another thought that has been in the back of my mind, with Becky gone, it would be nice to bring in a former NBA player to replace her as an assistant.

Many Manu makes a move to the bench as a warm-up to take over for Pop?

[scott]

You did. Apparently he hasn't spoken to the Nets front office since the season ended. They don't want to give Irving a long-term deal, and some folks believe that would make Durant ask out.

Is it time for us to all start overhyping the fact Durant went to UT and we can just assume he's cool with small market SA? Then how many games do the Spurs try to play in Austin to "leverage the brand and grow the fanbase"? And then how many pages is the "Spurs Moving to Austin" thread?

I heard that Michael Dell had KD over for BBQ just this last weekend to hash all this out...

[Chinook]

Is it time for us to all start overhyping the fact Durant went to UT and we can just assume he's cool with small market SA? Then how many games do the Spurs try to play in Austin to "leverage the brand and grow the fanbase"? And then how many pages is the "Spurs Moving to Austin" thread?

I heard that Michael Dell had KD over for BBQ just this last weekend to hash all this out...

Trade for KD, sign Bamba, Joseph and Bradley, trade Poeltl for Kai Jones.

Joseph,
Bradley
Durant
Jones
Bamba

Also known as profit.

[scott]

Don't forget LMA coming back to resume his ring chase.

[KingKev]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10037306-collin-sexton-rumors-pistons-pacers-biggest-threats-to-sign-cavs-rfa-spurs-linked

Per BR there are ppl in PATFO who really like Sexton.

Yikes.

[rjv]

right now, i think the spurs are being linked to so many FAs as a front runner (Vegas has the spurs as 2-1 to land Lavine) is only because of their cap space and not because of any reliable intel.

[mo7888]

Does anybody know the rules on S&Ting for a RFA like Sexton?

[KingKev]

Also per BR OG Annunoby may be frustrated with current role in TO.

He is one player i’d pay up for if he became available.

[exstatic]

I get it, but at some point you need some vets otherwise its the inmates running the asylum. I think the idea of someone like JRich (and to a way lesser extent, McBuckets) as that locker room mentor role... right up until the deadline where we monetize them, as you put it. (I'm ready to deal McBuckets now, but I doubt there are any takers for even a future 2nd at this point).

For the same reason, I wouldn't mind someone like Ibaka on the bench.

I get what you’re saying, but he’s not in the plans. He acknowledged that in his media time after the play in game. It would be nice to have him for most of the season, but it would be a minor disaster if he walked for nothing, and they aren’t going to pay him next summer. I think if they get a good offer at the draft, or during the FA period, they’ll pull the trigger. Otherwise, they’ll move him at the deadline.

[Big Empty]

Yeah right
I look this thread at the tail end and find out the Spurs are signing Lavine and trading for Durant
Amazing
Ha ha ha

[Chinook]

Does anybody know the rules on S&Ting for a RFA like Sexton?

If the Spurs are intending to take Sexton into cap space, then the rules aren't any different. In fact, RFAs don't have unique S&T rules at all, but players who are RFAs often run into BYC consideration because they tend to receive contracts in excess of 120 percent of their previous salary. Sexton (or Lavine for that matter) would trigger those conditions if the Spurs are trying to acquire him as an over-the-cap team. Cleveland would only be able to take back about 60 percent of the salary they send out, but the Spurs would have to account for 100 percent of Sexton's salary. This leaves a pretty small number of ways to have both sides fit into trade rules.

Cleveland is near the tax though, so the Spurs are probably not going to get a deal where they keep their cap space. So unless they get a good deal from Cleveland where they can push Sexton's APY down substantially, it might be better for them to just price the Cavs out.

[mo7888]

If the Spurs are intending to take Sexton into cap space, then the rules aren't any different. In fact, RFAs don't have unique S&T rules at all, but players who are RFAs often run into BYC consideration because they tend to receive contracts in excess of 120 percent of their previous salary. Sexton (or Lavine for that matter) would trigger those conditions if the Spurs are trying to acquire him as an over-the-cap team. Cleveland would only be able to take back about 60 percent of the salary they send out, but the Spurs would have to account for 100 percent of Sexton's salary. This leaves a pretty small number of ways to have both sides fit into trade rules.

Cleveland is near the tax though, so the Spurs are probably not going to get a deal where they keep their cap space. So unless they get a good deal from Cleveland where they can push Sexton's APY down substantially, it might be better for them to just price the Cavs out.

I appreciate the info..

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Trade for KD, sign Bamba, Joseph and Bradley, trade Poeltl for Kai Jones.

Joseph,
Bradley
Durant
Jones
Bamba

Also known as profit.

You forgot to say we are gonna 10 day Michael Jordan

[Chinook]

You forgot to say we are gonna 10 day Michael Jordan

... Did a Michael Jordan go to UT?

[Leetonidas]

Also per BR OG Annunoby may be frustrated with current role in TO.

He is one player i’d pay up for if he became available.

He's the guy the Spurs should have forced Masai to cough up for Leonard. Still can't believe we ended up with Poeltl instead of either OG or Siakam :lol

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... Did a Michael Jordan go to UT?

joke
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[exstatic]

He's the guy the Spurs should have forced Masai to cough up for Leonard. Still can't believe we ended up with Poeltl instead of either OG or Siakam :lol

Since they need a center, and have a comfort level with Jak, we may be able to remedy that situation.

[Chinook]

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I'm legit confused. Yes, I was making a joke with scott about the Spurs needing to acquire a bunch of UT players and that somehow meaning they were going to win a title. As far as I can ascertain, you comment either on the feasibility of the scenario (saying that I may as well have said to sign Jordan too) or on how effective that group would even be (saying that group wouldn't profit unless they also had Jordan). Me, continuing with the joke, commented on Jordan not fitting because he didn't go to UT.

So either your response is saying that you didn't get the joke until just now (the joke went over your head originally), or it is assuming I didn't get the joke you were making (the joke went over my head). If it's the former, it's understandable, since you probably only saw it scrolling through the page to get to the newer posts and didn't see the posts that built up to it. If it's the latter, I didn't miss the joke.

[KingKev]

Since they need a center, and have a comfort level with Jak, we may be able to remedy that situation.

Jak, JRich and #20.

[Mr. Body]

He's the guy the Spurs should have forced Masai to cough up for Leonard. Still can't believe we ended up with Poeltl instead of either OG or Siakam :lol

Why do people think trades are just fucking magic?

[Leetonidas]

Why do people think trades are just fucking magic?

Tf does that even mean :lol

Yeah because it's sooo unreasonable asking for a good prospect when trading a superstar SF and another solid SG :rolleyes. It ain't magic. You don't have to continually make excuses for FO blunders

[TD 21]

I'm not surprised by the Anunoby news, but despite those pricks being forever indebted to the Spurs, it'd undoubtedly take an overpayment to pry him loose considering they overvalue their own and are only interested in making significant trades if they can screw the other side(s).

Presuming Mathurin and Daniels are the Spurs targets at 9 and off the board, the furthest they should consider is either 9, Richardson and Collins or Poeltl, Richardson and 25.


Jak, JRich and #20.

Unsure if 20 can be traded back to them.

[Chinook]

Unsure if 20 can be traded back to them.

There's no prohibition on it.

[KingKev]

I'm not surprised by the Anunoby news, but despite those pricks being forever indebted to the Spurs, it'd undoubtedly take an overpayment to pry him loose considering they overvalue their own and are only interested in making significant trades if they can screw the other side(s).

Presuming Mathurin and Daniels are the Spurs targets at 9 and off the board, the furthest they should consider is either 9, Richardson and Collins or Poeltl, Richardson and 25.



Unsure if 20 can be traded back to them.

Good point on #20; too lazy to google it. We obviously have a relationship with the FO over there and OG would be an amazing fit but it will probably cost a pretty penny to get him.

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Yes, I only paid attention to KD at first, not that all of them were UT alums. So I was wisecracking about just getting anyone we wanted. Thus your joke went over my head.

[bluebellmaniac]

Hol' up! Why we suggesting trades for someone who'll be 34 early next season?

[SAGirl]

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[exstatic]

Tf does that even mean :lol

Yeah because it's sooo unreasonable asking for a good prospect when trading a superstar SF and another solid SG :rolleyes. It ain't magic. You don't have to continually make excuses for FO blunders

Trades are all about leverage, not about what you want.

[exstatic]

Hol' up! Why we suggesting trades for someone who'll be 34 early next season?

Anunoby is 24, not 34.

[KingKev]

Anunoby is 24, not 34.

He is talking about Durant

[Degoat]

A Cleveland reporter reported that the spurs have people in their front office who are interested in Colin Sexton

[Mr. Body]

A Cleveland reporter reported that the spurs have people in their front office who are interested in Colin Sexton

Gotta gin up that interest! Claim the Spurs are interested!

[JR3]

A Cleveland reporter reported that the spurs have people in their front office who are interested in Colin Sexton
I like sexton. We need a gamer.

[Degoat]

“I always believed in you and you always believed in me, even when you know who didn’t really believe in me.”


Dejountes Instagram story on Ime Udoka, wonder who he’s referring to that didn’t believe in him?

[BackHome]

Damn let the drama start got to find out who he is talking about

[CGD]

DJM strikes me as the type that motivates himself by always having a foe, real or exaggerated. He’s got a little Jimmy Butler in him that way

[RC_Drunkford]

I suggested going for Sexton during the season. Wouldn't mind it tbh. His defensive rating is terrible, but he's a scorer who would fit next to Dejounte. If they let Lonnie walk and replace him with Sexton this team gets significantly better.

[Dex]

Spurs next assistant coach? Pop was in Belgrade to watch the EuroLeague finals

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[tbdog]

I suggested going for Sexton during the season. Wouldn't mind it tbh. His defensive rating is terrible, but he's a scorer who would fit next to Dejounte. If they let Lonnie walk and replace him with Sexton this team gets significantly better.

It's been the Spurs MO, going after recovering players. Gay and Collins being the last ones they've signed. Sexton does make sense next to Murray.

[TD 21]

Good point on #20; too lazy to google it. We obviously have a relationship with the FO over there and OG would be an amazing fit but it will probably cost a pretty penny to get him.

This is more like what it'd probably take . .

Hornets receive: Poeltl, 25
Spurs receive: Anunoby, 15
Raptors receive: Washington Jr., Richardson, 9

If Duren or Williams makes it to 15, select them. If not, sign Hartenstein.

[KingKev]

This is more like what it'd probably take . .

Hornets receive: Poeltl, 25
Spurs receive: Anunoby, 15
Raptors receive: Washington Jr., Richardson, 9

If Duren or Williams makes it to 15, select them. If not, sign Hartenstein.

Daddy says no.

[talkspurs]

I find it interesting that some people devalue what we have as assets. I think they want to trade them just so it can be said that we did something. Sometimes it is better to stay where you are instead of making a trade just to make a trade.

[CGD]

I find it interesting that some people devalue what we have as assets. I think they want to trade them just so it can be said that we did something. Sometimes it is better to stay where you are instead of making a trade just to make a trade.

Do you think the spurs should pay Jakob 20M a year after this season?

[KobesAchilles]

I hope we do a lot of trade backs and for future FRPs bc Mitchell is gonna be shipped this off-season or next. He will probably be a Laker but at least it’s nice to have the ammo to dream

[Mr. Body]

I find it interesting that some people devalue what we have as assets. I think they want to trade them just so it can be said that we did something. Sometimes it is better to stay where you are instead of making a trade just to make a trade.

This board isn't unusual -- people get really excited about making any changes whatsoever. This one gets obsessed about one after another candidate. No expense is too high in getting them, despite numerous flaws.

[rascal]

I find it interesting that some people devalue what we have as assets. I think they want to trade them just so it can be said that we did something. Sometimes it is better to stay where you are instead of making a trade just to make a trade.

The Spurs were not good, 14 games below .500 with no major injuries.

Changes to this roster need to be made.

[talkspurs]

bad post

[talkspurs]

Do you think the spurs should pay Jakob 20M a year after this season?


Maybe maybe not but who knows what he will get. DA will impact what he can get especially if he does not get the max. Depends on what is out there and what we would get for him. I am not against trading him but I am against makeing a trade just to say we made a trade.

[talkspurs]

This board isn't unusual -- people get really excited about making any changes whatsoever. This one gets obsessed about one after another candidate. No expense is too high in getting them, despite numerous flaws.

This is true but this is also exactly why we should not rush into a trade because as soon as the new player has a poor game people will be trying to ship him out for nothing. When you constantly get half value eventually you end up with practically nothing.

[talkspurs]

The Spurs were not good, 14 games below .500 with no major injuries.

Changes to this roster need to be made.

IM not against changes but changes just to make changes is bad. We mad a change last year by signing mcdermont. that was a bad move. If we would trade DJM for the 60th pick most of us would think that is a bad trade. Last year people wanted to trade DJM ++ for simmons and I was against it. Could you imagine if we did that trade. we would have been set back again. This is why I am saying dont make a trade just to make a trade.

[rascal]

IM not against changes but changes just to make changes is bad. We mad a change last year by signing mcdermont. that was a bad move. If we would trade DJM for the 60th pick most of us would think that is a bad trade. Last year people wanted to trade DJM ++ for simmons and I was against it. Could you imagine if we did that trade. we would have been set back again. This is why I am saying dont make a trade just to make a trade.

Mcdermont You're concerned with an end of the bench player.

[TD 21]

I find it interesting that some people devalue what we have as assets. I think they want to trade them just so it can be said that we did something. Sometimes it is better to stay where you are instead of making a trade just to make a trade.

:lmao It's the other way around. Most of this board is Spurs fans, as opposed to NBA fans and they're seemingly content with continuing to collect late lottery picks and worse and jam pack this roster with their favorite flawed role player du jour.

[rascal]

:lmao It's the other way around. Most of this board is Spurs fans, as opposed to NBA fans and they're seemingly content with continuing to collect late lottery picks and worse and jam pack this roster with their favorite flawed role player du jour.

I'm seeing posts where they would rather trade down and get similar mid to late first round picks to what the Spurs already have than trade up for the higher potential talent.

[talkspurs]

Mcdermont You're concerned with an end of the bench player.

Since when is an "end of bench player" a starter. He also is one of the higher payed players on the team this upcoming year.

[talkspurs]

:lmao It's the other way around. Most of this board is Spurs fans, as opposed to NBA fans and they're seemingly content with continuing to collect late lottery picks and worse and jam pack this roster with their favorite flawed role player du jour.

Ive seen several trade where they were trying to get star players that are more there because of the name. They are good but giving them what they propose would set our team back.

[rascal]

Since when is an "end of bench player" a starter. He also is one of the higher payed players on the team this upcoming year.

He's not a starter

[buttsR4rebounding]

He's not a starter

Maybe not an ideal starter, but he definitely was a starter for the Spurs when healthy. To say otherwise is just making crap up.

[talkspurs]

He's not a starter

so who were the Spurs starters for the year with everyone healthy?

[rascal]

so who were the Spurs starters for the year with everyone healthy?

Moving forward he is not a starter.

[talkspurs]

Moving forward he is not a starter.

Hopefully he is not even on the team but when they signed him last year he was signed to be a starter.

[BatManu20]

These players really don’t give a fuck :lol


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUng38HXwAAU5Ay?format=jpg&name=large

[KingKev]

These players really don’t give a fuck :lol


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUng38HXwAAU5Ay?format=jpg&name=large

haha sippin and a J.

[Ice009]

haha sippin and a J.

I saw what looked like a joint (I don't smoke, so I wasn't 100% sure until you said it). Have no idea what the drink is, though.

[KingKev]

I saw what looked like a joint (I don't smoke, so I wasn't 100% sure until you said it). Have no idea what the drink is, though.

haha I’d hope he isn‘t dumb enough to post him drinking lean. Weed is legal, codeine is not.

[CGD]

I wonder what WAS would require for 10?

[rascal]

haha I’d hope he isn‘t dumb enough to post him drinking lean. Weed is legal, codeine is not.

Looks like a white guy's hand.

[KingKev]

Looks like a white guy's hand.

haha good catch.

[Ignazzz]

He is milionere. Why de f@ck drinking codeine? $$$ vs poor drink for Homeless.

[CGD]

Saw somewhere that Knicks looking to dump Nerlens. Seems like a prime “rent cap-space for asset” candidate.

[KingKev]

Saw somewhere that Knicks looking to dump Nerlens. Seems like a prime “rent cap-space for asset” candidate.

1 yr at 10mm you probably get a second or maybe they take McDipshit

[CGD]

1 yr at 10mm you probably get a second or maybe they take McDipshit

Hopefully the cap renting is Plan B in free agency, but something tells me we’ll be doing that again.

The other name that came up on one of these podcasts was Gallo. Apparently if ATL can move him before July 1, they can generate a 20M TPE which they can use into next year. Meanwhile, the receiving team would waive him and eat 5M next year. Not sure if spurs would be able to help with the TPE scenario, but they could in terms of eating the 5M if it was just an off-season move.

[Ocotillo]

Hopefully the cap renting is Plan B in free agency, but something tells me we’ll be doing that again.

The other name that came up on one of these podcasts was Gallo. Apparently if ATL can move him before July 1, they can generate a 20M TPE which they can use into next year. Meanwhile, the receiving team would waive him and eat 5M next year. Not sure if spurs would be able to help with the TPE scenario, but they could in terms of eating the 5M if it was just an off-season move.

On NBA radio I heard Atl was interested in Jerami Grant. With Collins and Hunter I was wondering why. Maybe making room for him?

[CGD]

On NBA radio I heard Atl was interested in Jerami Grant. With Collins and Hunter I was wondering why. Maybe making room for him?

Sounds like Collins is being linked to POR, or at least is one of the players Dame is said to like. Could be they’re looking to move on from him, in which case Grant makes a lot of sense along side Hunter.

[TD 21]

NBA Intel Report: Trade Rumors, Draft Intel & Early Free Agency Targets (actionnetwork.com) (https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-intel-trade-rumors-draft-intel-early-free-agency-targets-2022-matt-moore?shortlink=ugcbdrpp&af_sub1=601698164&c=af-newsletter&pid=af-newsletter&deep_link_value=action://article?id=601698164&af_adset=nba-intel-trade-rumors-draft-intel-early-free-agency-targets-2022-matt-moore)



Among the potential trade partners for an Anunoby deal, Portland is consistently mentioned as a possibility, along with Denver and San Antonio. The Blazers are expected to be aggressive with the seventh pick in trade talks as they look to get win-now talent back around Damian Lillard.




Daddy says no.

It's probably either that or Poeltl and a protected '23 1st (10-14?).

Sign Hartenstein or pursue your boy Bamba and hope that Anunoby and 9 offset the C downgrade enough to push the pick to the back of that range.

I wouldn't do it though. I don't care the quantity of youth assembled, a team in this situation shouldn't be bereft a 1st in a draft.
(https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-intel-trade-rumors-draft-intel-early-free-agency-targets-2022-matt-moore?shortlink=ugcbdrpp&af_sub1=601698164&c=af-newsletter&pid=af-newsletter&deep_link_value=action://article?id=601698164&af_adset=nba-intel-trade-rumors-draft-intel-early-free-agency-targets-2022-matt-moore)

[emanueldavidginobili]

These players really don’t give a fuck :lol


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUng38HXwAAU5Ay?format=jpg&name=large
He deleted it and then tweeted it was pink lemonade lmao, thats some good ole lean

[BatManu20]

I mean it’s very clearly lean. Obv the pink lemonade tweet was in jest. Or he really is dumb enough to think people would buy it, which I doubt. Tbh most of these players sip lean, smoke weed, do coke, and/or pop pills in the off-season. Nothing new, they usually just don’t post it all over the internet for people to see. That’s a Rookie move.

I remember back around 2010 or so, one of my buddies who’s a real estate agent in Dallas, called me and told me he was excited cause he was hired to show then Mavericks’ player Josh Howard’s house. He called me a few days later and said there was an interested buyer so he had gone to show the guy Howard‘s house on short notice, and when he got there, there was drug paraphernalia everywhere, weed and cocaine debris left on the glass table in the living room, and empty liquor bottles all over the place, as if Josh and some of his friends or teammates had been partying all weekend. He said specifically there was codeine and Sprite left out on the same table where the cocaine was.

Not surprising at all and not a big deal, just a memory that pops into my head whenever I see or hear about NBA players doing shit in the off-season :lol. A large portion of em do it. Ain’t no thang tbh.

[KingKev]

NBA Intel Report: Trade Rumors, Draft Intel & Early Free Agency Targets (actionnetwork.com) (https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-intel-trade-rumors-draft-intel-early-free-agency-targets-2022-matt-moore?shortlink=ugcbdrpp&af_sub1=601698164&c=af-newsletter&pid=af-newsletter&deep_link_value=action://article?id=601698164&af_adset=nba-intel-trade-rumors-draft-intel-early-free-agency-targets-2022-matt-moore)



Among the potential trade partners for an Anunoby deal, Portland is consistently mentioned as a possibility, along with Denver and San Antonio. The Blazers are expected to be aggressive with the seventh pick in trade talks as they look to get win-now talent back around Damian Lillard.





It's probably either that or Poeltl and a protected '23 1st (10-14?).

Sign Hartenstein or pursue your boy Bamba and hope that Anunoby and 9 offset the C downgrade enough to push the pick to the back of that range.

I wouldn't do it though. I don't care the quantity of youth assembled, a team in this situation shouldn't be bereft a 1st in a draft.
(https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-intel-trade-rumors-draft-intel-early-free-agency-targets-2022-matt-moore?shortlink=ugcbdrpp&af_sub1=601698164&c=af-newsletter&pid=af-newsletter&deep_link_value=action://article?id=601698164&af_adset=nba-intel-trade-rumors-draft-intel-early-free-agency-targets-2022-matt-moore)


I honestly don’t have a strong view on how to pursue this offseason. At some point we are probably going to have to overpay for talent at the 3/4 spots bro but I kind of agree we need to make that #9 pick and hope for the best.

[John B]

I’d give Poeltl or Keldon for that 7th pick, plus protected ‘23 1st but will keep my 9. I’ll draft Davis and Sochan.

[XDT76]

I’d give Poeltl or Keldon for that 7th pick, plus protected ‘23 1st but will keep my 9. I’ll draft Davis and Sochan.

If these are the draft we wanted to pick, then I would prefer to move KJ.

[John B]

If these are the draft we wanted to pick, then I would prefer to move KJ.

I think there’s a lot of opportunities to accelerate the rebuilding process and get the Spurs to contention. I don’t even think anyone is untouchable for the right return.

[TimmehC]

Would Charlotte take Poeltl, KJ, and 20+25 for 13 and 15? You'd have to take back Plumlee or some other salary filler obviously. Throw in 38 or a future second if they want it.

It's a lot to give up, but also effectively hitting the reset button on the frontcourt, which will have to happen eventually.

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I think there’s a lot of opportunities to accelerate the rebuilding process and get the Spurs to contention. I don’t even think anyone is untouchable for the right return.

I've even moved to the position now, since the end of this last season, that Murray could (and maybe should) be moved. Love him but his defense simply isn't all it's cracked up to be, and as the tip of our defensive spear, we need better top of key defense against guards like Ja, CJ, (Ish Smith), and everyone else. Murray is on a good contract and coming off an All-Star appearance. He'd definitely garner high value.

I'm now in the Chinook camp and ready to move on, and wish him the best

[offset formation]

Would Charlotte take Poeltl, KJ, and 20+25 for 13 and 15? You'd have to take back Plumlee or some other salary filler obviously. Throw in 38 or a future second if they want it.

It's a lot to give up, but also effectively hitting the reset button on the frontcourt, which will have to happen eventually.

Given the mid to high level talent and a likely large number of guys with high floors in this draft, all the way down to 25 (and maybe even beyond), I think trading away draft picks, even to move up into the high teens, is not a wise strategy.

[Dejounte]

If people think the Spurs would suddenly give up on Keldon given the fact that the Spurs pride themselves in their developmental program (literally investing $800 million for it) and seeing DJ’s rise to further boost their confidence in it— then y'all are fooling yourselves. It would be another story if Keldon’s game didn’t make a leap last year and only flattened out like White did, but that didn’t happen. It’s better for the Spurs’ interest if Keldon pans out and not to give up on him than to give him away. It adds to their reputation as their list of players they managed to draft and develop grows.

Otherwise, it’s just like any other organization that recycles players year after year.

[KingKev]

If people think the Spurs would suddenly give up on Keldon given the fact that the Spurs pride themselves in their developmental program and seeing DJ’s rise to further boost their confidence in it— then y'all are fooling yourselves. It would be another story if Keldon’s game didn’t make a leap last year and only flattened out like White did, but that didn’t happen. It’s better for the Spurs’ interest if Keldon pans out and not to give up on him than to give him away. It adds to their reputation as their list of players they managed to draft and develop grows.

Otherwise, it’s just like any other organization that recycles players year after year.

Keldon is in line for a 4yr/80mm extension this offseason but I think that will be with the expectation he continues to develop and for him that means a more credible goto scorer or he proves himself on the defensive end. If we do ‘t see that over the next year or so his fate could be similar to White.

[Dejounte]

Keldon is in line for a 4yr/80mm extension this offseason but I think that will be with the expectation he continues to develop and for him that means a more credible goto scorer or he proves himself on the defensive end. If we do ‘t see that over the next year or so his fate could be similar to White.

Yes, what happens next season is a different story. I’m just saying the Spurs are extremely unlikely to trade away Keldon this offseason after the growth he had last season. If he doesn’t perform even better next season, then anything goes.

[KingKev]

Yes, what happens next season is a different story. I’m just saying the Spurs are extremely unlikely to trade away Keldon this offseason after the growth he had last season. If he doesn’t perform even better next season, then anything goes.

Agreed. I wouldn’t say the G Hill treatment isn’t in the realm of possibility come draft day if they really see someone they like but it is doubtful. I also don’t think Keldon move the needle for most teams.

[John B]

I love Keldon but he’s a tweener and the odd man out, too small for PF, too slow for SF. IF there are opportunities of replacing him with a true size PF in Sochan, Eason, even Keegan for the right trade? I’m open to trading him is just I’m saying. The Spurs are in rebuilding. The rules of the game is different. And no stones should be left unturned if there are opportunities to get better. No room for nostalgic sentiments.

[rankingtear]

I love Keldon but he’s a tweener and the odd man out, too small for PF, too slow for SF. IF there are opportunities of replacing him with a true size PF in Sochan, Eason, even Keegan for the right trade? I’m open to trading him is just I’m saying. The Spurs are in rebuilding. The rules of the game is different. And no stones should be left unturned if there are opportunities to get better. No room for nostalgic sentiments.
Keldon has more star equity than those guys. Rebuilding means you don't have enough offensive star power. Why trade him for potential high level role players who are an inch taller.

[BacktoBasics]

I love Keldon but he’s a tweener and the odd man out, too small for PF, too slow for SF. IF there are opportunities of replacing him with a true size PF in Sochan, Eason, even Keegan for the right trade? I’m open to trading him is just I’m saying. The Spurs are in rebuilding. The rules of the game is different. And no stones should be left unturned if there are opportunities to get better. No room for nostalgic sentiments.
Tweeners matter less these days. The league is full of matchups that favor him. I really don’t see that he’s the odd man out and when he’s used correctly he tends to do way better than not.

Plus his shooting overcomes a lot too.

[Ariel]

Would Charlotte take Poeltl, KJ, and 20+25 for 13 and 15? You'd have to take back Plumlee or some other salary filler obviously. Throw in 38 or a future second if they want it.

It's a lot to give up, but also effectively hitting the reset button on the frontcourt, which will have to happen eventually.
For the love of God I hope that was sarcasm.

[rascal]

I’d give Poeltl or Keldon for that 7th pick, plus protected ‘23 1st but will keep my 9. I’ll draft Davis and Sochan.

At 7 either Mathurin, Murray or Sharpe will be available, you have to draft one of those guys there.

[John B]

At 7 either Mathurin, Murray or Sharpe will be available, you have to draft one of those guys there.

I see Murray going 6 to Pacers. And I like Davis better than Mathurin and Sharpe. A Davis and Sochan would be a damn haul if Spurs could pull that off.

[Ocotillo]

For the love of God I hope that was sarcasm.
Heh, I saw that one and kept scrolling. I feel ya.

[John B]

Tweeners matter less these days. The league is full of matchups that favor him. I really don’t see that he’s the odd man out and when he’s used correctly he tends to do way better than not.

Plus his shooting overcomes a lot too.

But Keldon is still a tweener in the already small NBA :lol

Bruh, does Keldon get overnatched at the PF position, and Poeltl gets to help and leaving his guy? Emphatic Yes. Is Keldon too slow to cover the SF position and getting blown by his guy? Yes. Is Vassell or J-Rich more ideal in SF than Keldon? Yes. Unless Keldon wants the Manu 6th man would be perfect. On this draft you have multiple PF prospects who can man that position better. He’s the odd man out. And best to move him if other teams will overvalue him.

[emanueldavidginobili]

No shot they trade KJ right now. The last couple of months he was a 20 point scorer and was the best 3 point shooter on the team along with being one of Pops favorite players. He's only 22 I expect him to be even better next year, he really started to refine his offensive game towards the end of the season showcasing multiple ways to score opposed to just putting his head down and charging towards the basket like we are accustomed to. Only way I would trade him is if it meant we would get in the top 4 of this draft, outside of that nah.

[John B]

^ 4 and 7, both teams are open to trading their picks, if I would get a chance to draft Davis and Sochan/Keegan.

[slick'81]

^ 4 and 7, both teams are open to trading their picks, if I would get a chance to draft Davis and Sochan/Keegan.


not happening b but nice idea

[objective]

Jake Fischer was on the Duncd On Podcast and went over the stuff in his articles.

He talked about how Atlanta was open to trading Collins but wanted a first at least. Duncan brought up Portland's 7 but both agreed it was too much for Collins.

Could there be a swap of Zollins + 9 + 20 (or 25) for Jollins +16?

They could agree on draft night. If if they feel the need to match the salaries more and not eat up Spurs capspace, Zollins + Richardson + 9 for Jollins +16?

[John B]

Jake Fischer was on the Duncd On Podcast and went over the stuff in his articles.

He talked about how Atlanta was open to trading Collins but wanted a first at least. Duncan brought up Portland's 7 but both agreed it was too much for Collins.

Could there be a swap of Zollins + 9 + 20 (or 25) for Jollins +16?

They could agree on draft night. If if they feel the need to match the salaries more and not eat up Spurs capspace, Zollins + Richardson + 9 for Jollins +16?

Hard pass

[talkspurs]

Jake Fischer was on the Duncd On Podcast and went over the stuff in his articles.

He talked about how Atlanta was open to trading Collins but wanted a first at least. Duncan brought up Portland's 7 but both agreed it was too much for Collins.

Could there be a swap of Zollins + 9 + 20 (or 25) for Jollins +16?

They could agree on draft night. If if they feel the need to match the salaries more and not eat up Spurs capspace, Zollins + Richardson + 9 for Jollins +16?

so 7 is to much but 9 is not near enough so they have to trow in a player plus another pick? I am not a zollins fan and would not mind moving him but this is saying that he has negative value.

[objective]

so 7 is to much but 9 is not near enough so they have to trow in a player plus another pick? I am not a zollins fan and would not mind moving him but this is saying that he has negative value.

In these scenarios the Spurs would get back 16. To me, coming out of draft night with Jollins and say Jalen Williams or Eason or Ochai would be a good night.

Zollins is salary ballast who could be a backup big for Atlanta.

I don't know that 9 is worth both Jollins and 16. And there's probably some decent risks at 16 that might not be around at 20 or 25.

[Ignazzz]

OG is on block. Go for him.

[mo7888]

In these scenarios the Spurs would get back 16. To me, coming out of draft night with Jollins and say Jalen Williams or Eason or Ochai would be a good night.

Zollins is salary ballast who could be a backup big for Atlanta.

I don't know that 9 is worth both Jollins and 16. And there's probably some decent risks at 16 that might not be around at 20 or 25.

If 7 is an overpay the so is 9.... Zollins is only partially guaranteed so he's just salary ballast that we could include or just waive ourselves...

[talkspurs]

In these scenarios the Spurs would get back 16. To me, coming out of draft night with Jollins and say Jalen Williams or Eason or Ochai would be a good night.

Zollins is salary ballast who could be a backup big for Atlanta.

I don't know that 9 is worth both Jollins and 16. And there's probably some decent risks at 16 that might not be around at 20 or 25.

If we would be getting back 16 I could see us doing it more then. We would get a good player not move down to much. I think I would want their pick next year as well. Collins could end up being a negative asset and if they want to move on from him we might be able to push for more. either that or include mcdermont in it. We also have to make sure to watch our team size and I dont know how many guaranteed contracts they have.

So i would be looking at something along the lines of 9 +25 + mcdermont and if they wanted zollins for Collins 16 and their pick next year top (10?) protected?

[RC_Drunkford]

I'm all for John Collins as y'all know, but I'm not trading #9 for him

[TD 21]

If it's not 9, then they wouldn't have a chance (Spurs can likely get one of the Hornets 1sts for Poeltl though if they want to trade for an impact forward without dropping too low). The trade suggested wouldn't get it done either.

I'd rather pursue Anunoby though, the preferred 3.5 to Collins' 4.5.

[John B]

I’d see what I could get from the draft and potential trade to move up. I feel with swavvy maneuvering, and a lot of luck :lol, Spurs could address some of their immediate needs on this draft. Then I’d see how a LaVine, Ayton or J-Collins would fit or not. If we get a Duren, that negates an Ayton. A LaVine could derail a Mathurin’s development, etc.

[R. DeMurre]

Gotta ask yourself: If Atlanta is a playoff team and they have Collins locked up on a pretty reasonable contract through 2025, why are they looking to trade him?

[Ditty]

I rather trade for OG if he is really available over signing Lavine or Ayton.

[The Truth #6]

Gotta ask yourself: If Atlanta is a playoff team and they have Collins locked up on a pretty reasonable contract through 2025, why are they looking to trade him?

It's a good question. ATL drafts fairly well and seems to be loaded with decent to good players, but they still mostly suck. If I had to guess, it's because Trae Young, ultimately, is a hard player to build around. His defense, I believe, is rated at near Forbes level. I'm guessing they could benefit from a different approach, but don't follow them that closely.

[objective]

Gotta ask yourself: If Atlanta is a playoff team and they have Collins locked up on a pretty reasonable contract through 2025, why are they looking to trade him?

Multiple things are plausible contributing factors:

1. Collins health this past season combined with lower stats means his trade value might never be better as the years lessen
2. Conflict with Trae Young. Maybe overblown but it's been out there. But why would it matter now? Because ...
3. The owner came out and said that standing pat with the same roster was a mistake. So changes are expected.
4. They drafted Okongwu 6th overall but not to be a bench player. Considering people expect him to be a shooter eventually with the fact that he's a bad rebounder and only 6-8 makes him just as likely to be ready to step in at PF as he is at C, and Capela is the key to their defense.
5. Some in the organization might be prone to think that Jalen Johnson is ready to come in and put up numbers at a fraction of the price.
6. A high enough draft pick can get them a reasonable candidate for secondary shot creator eventually, like Dyson Daniels for instance as some people believe in his potential to create plus his defense next to Trae would be very beneficial
7. A deal of Collins into capspace with Portland, Detroit or San Antonio or OKC gives them a huge cap exception to acquire better wing talent, or they could get Richardson from the Spurs and he'd probably be their best wing defender and possibly wing shooter

[RC_Drunkford]

Atlanta has been looking to pair Trae Young with a 3-and-D SG so they should have some interest in J-Rich

[Dverde]

Collins is on the brink of being considered a bad contract kinda like Derrick White last season. This off-season might be the last opportunity to net positive assets in return.

[Mr. Body]

Collins is on the brink of being considered a bad contract kinda like Derrick White last season. This off-season might be the last opportunity to net positive assets in return.

He already is a bad contract. Atlanta has regretted resigning him ever since it happened and has been looking to dump him ever since.

[slick'81]

Collins is on the brink of being considered a bad contract kinda like Derrick White last season. This off-season might be the last opportunity to net positive assets in return.


yea, bos will be wanting out of that white contract soon enough too

[Ditty]

OG for Poeltl (Raps interested at deadline), Langford, 20th, 25th and future 1st. Draft Sochan and Sign Ayton. Call it an offseason.

[Ocotillo]

Heh, I literally just posted in the Duren thread to consider a Jak/OG trade, no details offered in mine though.

[rascal]

If 7 is an overpay the so is 9.... Zollins is only partially guaranteed so he's just salary ballast that we could include or just waive ourselves...

There is a big difference between 7 and 9.

7 guarantees you one of either Mathurin, Murray or Sharpe. All those guys may be gone by 9 and have greater upside than the tier of players who come after.

[mo7888]

There is a big difference between 7 and 9.

7 guarantees you one of either Mathurin, Murray or Sharpe. All those guys may be gone by 9 and have greater upside than the tier of players who come after.

Odds are at least one of Mathurin or Sharpe will be there at 9...and it could very well be both..

[Dverde]

The Toronto Raptors are not looking to trade OG Anunoby, league sources told HoopsHype. For Toronto to consider trading Anunoby, it would have to be a substantial trade package for the soon-to-be 25-year-old forward along the lines of a noteworthy upgrade at center or a top-10 draft pick.

Sounds like an obvious wink wink at The Spurs and The Pacers to me.

[rascal]

Odds are at least one of Mathurin or Sharpe will be there at 9...and it could very well be both..

I don't think so. Odds are they are both gone by 9.

[mo7888]

I don't think so. Odds are they are both gone by 9.

Well...we've only got a short time until that debate is settled...

[Mr. Body]

The Toronto Raptors are not looking to trade OG Anunoby, league sources told HoopsHype. For Toronto to consider trading Anunoby, it would have to be a substantial trade package for the soon-to-be 25-year-old forward along the lines of a noteworthy upgrade at center or a top-10 draft pick.

Sounds like an obvious wink wink at The Spurs and The Pacers to me.

Interesting 'or' there. I've seen allusions to significant trade packages that they'd want including both good players and picks. And those packages are pretty rich. If we could manage to not give up too much beyond Poeltl to send him back home, I'd give him a hearty clap on the back and send him on his way. I wouldn't trade the #9 for Anunoby though.

[Dverde]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1536454067530084353

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