Spurs free agency targets

[rascal]

That was more of the fact that he was behind Smart, White, and Malcom. Not saying he’s the answer, but he at least brings shooting from the position and seems to be available.

He's not very good in an all arounnd player, that's why he didn't play.

Spurs need to do better.

[CGD]

^ I’m not so quick to write off someone who just last year played meaningful minutes in the NBA finals on a really good Boston team. It saying he’s Steph Curry or anything, but the bottom line is we need more shooting from the PG position next year.

Not sure what “doing better” looks like this off season given the options.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Not outright. It’s the “arenas free agent” provision of the CBA

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/03/hoops-rumors-glossary-gilbert-arenas-provision-4.html#:~:text=Introduced%20to%20help%20avoid%20si milar,for%20one%20or%20two%20years.

Thanks. That was quite informative.

[Kevin]

The Spurs should a big run at Austin Reaves for the PG spot after he averaged 5.5 assists in the second half of last season.

Advanced stat comparison of Reaves Keldon and Dev.

Win Share Per 48 Minutes:

Reaves:142
Keldon: 30
Dev:51

OTRG:
Reaves: 129
Keldon: 108
Dev: 110

VORP:
Reaves: 1.2
Keldon: 0.1
Dev: 0.7

Go get Reaves. Easily the best non-Wemby player on the roster. He can play on ball and off ball which is prefect next to Wemby and he'll only be 25 next season. Fix the PG spot without mortgaging a bunch of draft capitol for unproven rookies.

[Mr. Body]

Lakers have made clear they're keeping him.

Keldon is a Klutch Klient, however...

[BacktoBasics]

The Spurs should a big run at Austin Reaves for the PG spot after he averaged 5.5 assists in the second half of last season.

Advanced stat comparison of Reaves Keldon and Dev.

Win Share Per 48 Minutes:

Reaves:142
Keldon: 30
Dev:51

OTRG:
Reaves: 129
Keldon: 108
Dev: 110

VORP:
Reaves: 1.2
Keldon: 0.1
Dev: 0.7

Go get Reaves. Easily the best non-Wemby player on the roster. He can play on ball and off ball which is prefect next to Wemby and he'll only be 25 next season. Fix the PG spot without mortgaging a bunch of draft capitol for unproven rookies.

I have no interest in paying a guy 100 million dollar contract based on one decent season. I’m not even sold that he’s gonna be that good on another team.

[kobyz]

Is going after OG Anunoby with Keldon and 2 firsts and then going after Austin Reeves in free agency would be great off season?
Reeves/Vassell/OG/Sochan/Wemby

[exstatic]

Is going after OG Anunoby with Keldon and 2 firsts and then going after Austin Reeves in free agency would be great off season?
Reeves/Vassell/OG/Sochan/Wemby

OG Anunoby isn’t worth that big of a haul.

[RC_Drunkford]

Getting OG is like 5 years too late

[exstatic]

Getting OG is like 5 years too late

Right. We can see what he is, and it’s a starter level player, nothing really special. No way he’s worth multiple firsts.

[Twisted_Dawg]

I have no interest in paying a guy 100 million dollar contract based on one decent season. I’m not even sold that he’s gonna be that good on another team.

Fortune favors the bold.

[scott]

Is Reeves a PG now, or is this just more ST trying to manifest everyone into a PG?

I'd be down for Reeves, but I'd rather make a run at Micic if it were a choice between the two (which it's probably not)

[BacktoBasics]

Fortune favors the bold.

It also buries teams in cap hell. I think it’s wise to be bold and take your swings with draft picks. Trades or FA signing should be about adding proven talent or specific team needs.

He’s an overpay at 100 million and there’s still questions about what you’re getting with him. Getting hot in one offseason isn’t enough for me to take that gamble.

[Rocalcio]

Washington will keep Avdija.


That’s for sure indeed. But never mind, as someone said earlier, he’s not what we need.

[aissagholi7981]

Lebron games affect, he's not that good. Solid player but if/when he goes to another team, all his weaknesses will be exposed-

[Dejounte]

I’m starting to think Kuzma will be a major target for the Spurs. And I’m guessing it won’t cost too much because I have a feeling be wants to play here for Coach Pop and with Wemby.

Not every day you could have potentially four 20 ppg scorers: Keldon, Wemby, Vassell, Kuzma, and maybe even Sochan.

I’d like to emphasize that I’m ok with this for the right price. I know people won’t like this move because of the potential cost.

[mo7888]

I’m starting to think Kuzma will be a major target for the Spurs. And I’m guessing it won’t cost too much because I have a feeling be wants to play here for Coach Pop and with Wemby.

Not every day you could have potentially four 20 ppg scorers: Keldon, Wemby, Vassell, Kuzma, and maybe even Sochan.

I’d like to emphasize that I’m ok with this for the right price. I know people won’t like this move because of the potential cost.

So how do you see him fitting? I assume a bench role?

[Dejounte]

So how do you see him fitting? I assume a bench role?

Yeah, or starting. Tbh I don’t care who starts or who comes off the bench. The Spurs do a good job of putting egos in check and it’s basically assumed that if he signs here, he knows what to expect. I think it’s overstated how KJ might feel coming off the bench for example. From this point forth, the Spurs will be the team players will flock to for a chance to be part of something special, and they’ll do that at any cost including their potential role.

[Dejounte]

Kuzma has been flirting with the idea of playing with Wemby for a while now. He appears to have a strong bond with Wemby and he is in France as we speak.

[scott]

How would rotations work with KJ/Sochan/Kuzma all vying for 3/4 minutes (where Wemby will be soaking up some of those 4 minutes)?

[Dejounte]

How would rotations work with KJ/Sochan/Kuzma all vying for 3/4 minutes (where Wemby will be soaking up some of those 4 minutes)?

Play Wemby at 5 sometimes. Play Keldon at 2 sometimes, he actually played at 2 some last year. Play Sochan at 3 sometimes, he actually played a LOT of 3 last season.

the way I envision it is he will take KBD’s role (and eventually more of McDermott’s). KBD could never score as well as Kuz. Think of adding that type of production and replacing KBD’s.

[exstatic]

I’m starting to think Kuzma will be a major target for the Spurs. And I’m guessing it won’t cost too much because I have a feeling be wants to play here for Coach Pop and with Wemby.

Not every day you could have potentially four 20 ppg scorers: Keldon, Wemby, Vassell, Kuzma, and maybe even Sochan.

I’d like to emphasize that I’m ok with this for the right price. I know people won’t like this move because of the potential cost.

I went and checked the season pages just to be sure, and none of the 4 modern GS championship squads had 4 20 point scorers. Two of them, the Durant ones, had 3, and two of them only had 2. The Heatles 4 year run had three years of two 20 point scorers, and one year of just LeBron.

Putting the ball in the hole isn’t our problem. We were historically, hysterically bad on defense, and Kuz doesn’t help that.

[Degoat]

Spurs always have been connected to Kuzma rumors, I’d be interested tbh

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/jweinbachnba/status/1670446134727172096?s=46

[Dejounte]

I went and checked the season pages just to be sure, and none of the 4 modern GS championship squads had 4 20 point scorers. Two of them, the Durant ones, had 3, and two of them only had 2. The Heatles 4 year run had three years of two 20 point scorers, and one year of just LeBron.

Putting the ball in the hole isn’t our problem. We were historically, hysterically bad on defense, and Kuz doesn’t help that.

Well, maybe dynasties begin when you zag when other times zig. That’s how the Spurs have always operated tbh. They paved the way for a lot of the things in the NBA and maybe the new norm will be to pile up on talented scorers around your cornerstone.

And before you respond with more stats, i’m not that invested in this. This is just an idea that’s being thrown out and I don’t truly know if it will lead to success. I just know one thing and that the idea of adding more talented scorers is an appealing thought.

[Extra Stout]

I went and checked the season pages just to be sure, and none of the 4 modern GS championship squads had 4 20 point scorers. Two of them, the Durant ones, had 3, and two of them only had 2. The Heatles 4 year run had three years of two 20 point scorers, and one year of just LeBron.

Putting the ball in the hole isn’t our problem. We were historically, hysterically bad on defense, and Kuz doesn’t help that.
The reason teams don’t have multiple 20-point scorers is because there is only one basketball and so many possessions per game.

What happens, or at least what should happen if the team plays correctly, is that the scorers’ usage and ppg goes down but their fg% goes up because they take more efficient shots.

[Extra Stout]

Well, maybe dynasties begin when you zag when other times zig. That’s how the Spurs have always operated tbh. They paved the way for a lot of the things in the NBA and maybe the new norm will be to pile up on talented scorers around your cornerstone.

And before you respond with more stats, i’m not that invested in this. This is just an idea that’s being thrown out and I don’t truly know if it will lead to success. I just know one thing and that the idea of adding more talented scorers is an appealing thought.
What you propose has been tried. Mike D’Antoni has made a career out of it. Paul Westhead tried a more extreme version 30 years ago. It hasn’t delivered anybody any championships.

[rankingtear]

I think SAS liked him before Sochan. There is a ton of value in guys like him and Markannen before if the price is right. He would go to a team with a clear role, SAC is a no brainer for him. Fit, role and location.

[Dejounte]

What you propose has been tried. Mike D’Antoni has made a career out of it. Paul Westhead tried a more extreme version 30 years ago. It hasn’t delivered anybody any championships.

I’m not saying to make the game plan entirely-offense oriented. I’m saying to fill the roster with potent scorers, and still stick to the defensive mindset (preferably balanced). Of course this doesn’t work with hopeless defenders like Forbes and Mills. But Kuz is not that.

[Ocotillo]

Pop has been positive about Kuzma in the past, could be on the radar.

[exstatic]

The reason teams don’t have multiple 20-point scorers is because there is only one basketball and so many possessions per game.

What happens, or at least what should happen if the team plays correctly, is that the scorers’ usage and ppg goes down but their fg% goes up because they take more efficient shots.

What actually happens is that someone has to become Heatle Chris Bosh, and sacrifice touches and scoring. He dropped almost 8 ppg from his final Toronto season to his final Heat season four years later.

[Dejounte]

What actually happens is that someone has to become Heatle Chris Bosh, and sacrifice touches and scoring. He dropped almost 8 ppg from his final Toronto season to his final Heat season four years later.

Exactly, to clarify what I’m saying: i’m not expecting them to all continue to be 20 ppg scorers, but how deadly would it be if any given night any of the four out of five guys on your team could go off for a scoring burst?

I mean it’s kind of like what happened with Gabe Vincent and Austin Reaves. And it’s going to happen with the Suns this year too provided Beal isn’t injured.

[Seventyniner]

I'm not sold on Kuzma at all, though to be fair all I'm really doing is looking at his bkref page.

He's a meh 3 point shooter (34%, albeit on high volume) and advanced stats say he's just kind of average. I'd be afraid of paying him a Keldon-like contract for a player who seems to have just put up big counting stats on a bad team. Kind of like Keldon.

The more I think about it, the more I really don't want both Kuzma and Keldon on the Spurs. And even if the Spurs trade Keldon I don't think I would want Kuzma on a 4/80 type deal.

btw according to bkref Sochan played 95% of his minutes at PF.

[Dejounte]

I'm not sold on Kuzma at all, though to be fair all I'm really doing is looking at his bkref page.

He's a meh 3 point shooter (34%, albeit on high volume) and advanced stats say he's just kind of average. I'd be afraid of paying him a Keldon-like contract for a player who seems to have just put up big counting stats on a bad team. Kind of like Keldon.

The more I think about it, the more I really don't want both Kuzma and Keldon on the Spurs. And even if the Spurs trade Keldon I don't think I would want Kuzma on a 4/80 type deal.

btw according to bkref Sochan played 95% of his minutes at PF.

Yeah, I don’t think bkref is accurate with that at all. KBD, Keldon or Vassell or whoever at SG, Sochan all played on the court together this past season.

[Mr. Body]

Exactly, to clarify what I’m saying: i’m not expecting them to all continue to be 20 ppg scorers, but how deadly would it be if any given night any of the four out of five guys on your team could go off for a scoring burst?

I mean it’s kind of like what happened with Gabe Vincent and Austin Reaves. And it’s going to happen with the Suns this year too provided Beal isn’t injured.

That's what role players are for. Austin Reaves and Vincent are role-players and paid (relatively) accordingly. Stars get you into the playoffs, better stars get you deeper, but role-players win you the final games. There's not a championship I remember where key role-players didn't step up and make plays, went off, anything, whether it was Robert Horry or the Steve Kerr game in 2003 or Bruce Brown this year. If you have shit role-players, you're going to get destroyed.

[Dejounte]

That's what role players are for. Austin Reaves and Vincent are role-players and paid (relatively) accordingly. Stars get you into the playoffs, better stars get you deeper, but role-players win you the final games. There's not a championship I remember where key role-players stepped up and made plays, went off, anything, whether it was Robert Horry or the Steve Kerr game in 2003 or Bruce Brown this year. If you have shit role-players, you're going to get destroyed.

Yeah, well, Kuz will be a role player on this team then. Not expecting him to have a bigger role than that, and I’m only welcoming him at a role playerish salary.

[Mr. Body]

Yeah, well, Kuz will be a role player on this team then. Not expecting him to have a bigger role than that, and I’m only welcoming him at a role playerish salary.

Dude wants to play in a big city where he can drive around with his top down and swagger into the club and get noticed. He's stated this outright.

[Dejounte]

Draymond declined his option. Another FA to go after. Before someone mentions the Poole incident— that implies he’s a player like him wouldn’t be able to be part of a championship team because of his behavior. Well, that obviously isn’t true since he’s been part of four. He would provide a huge boost to the team’s basketball IQ.

[CorrectCrusader]

Draymond declined his option. Another FA to go after. Before someone mentions the Poole incident— that implies he’s a player like him wouldn’t be able to be part of a championship team because of his behavior. Well, that obviously isn’t true since he’s been part of four. He would provide a huge boost to the team’s basketball IQ.
Dude drove KD out of town for ego reasons. Pass

[Sugus]

Draymond declined his option. Another FA to go after. Before someone mentions the Poole incident— that implies he’s a player like him wouldn’t be able to be part of a championship team because of his behavior. Well, that obviously isn’t true since he’s been part of four. He would provide a huge boost to the team’s basketball IQ.

Big fan of a run at Dray. What better org to keep him in check than the Spurs, and what better situation for him to fully transition to a vet mentorship role than getting to a team with a rookie generational talent. He's so clearly not in the Spurs' timeline for contention that they can throw him money and have everything set up on day 1.

He's not gonna bark his bark without Steph to back him up, and I like some of the feistiness to his game. Him mentoring Sochan? Deadly...

[Mr. Body]

Do we all remember how Draymond punched a teammate in practice and this destroyed team chemistry for the entire year?

[Degoat]

I wouldn’t be against Draymond but, that’s why we have Sochan is to be a hopefully better version of him.

[Sugus]

Do we all remember how Draymond punched a teammate in practice and this destroyed team chemistry for the entire year?

The same way we remember Tony sexting a teammate's wife. In context, or lack thereof.

I'm not really concerned he's gonna start throwing punches to our guys, and he's smarter than causing troubles at his likely last stop before retirement, specially an org as well-respected as the Spurs. He's got everything to lose, especially aiming for a media career after he's done playing.

[Sugus]

I wouldn’t be against Draymond but, that’s why we have Sochan is to be a hopefully better version of him.

What better way to have Sochan growing into a better Draymond, than having Draymond himself teaching and playing against him daily in practice, tbh?

[Mr. Body]

The same way we remember Tony sexting a teammate's wife. In context, or lack thereof.

I'm not really concerned he's gonna start throwing punches to our guys, and he's smarter than causing troubles at his likely last stop before retirement, specially an org as well-respected as the Spurs. He's got everything to lose, especially aiming for a media career after he's done playing.

You think sexting somebody is the same as punching a guy during practice? Huh.

[mo7888]

I like the though of Draymond protecting wembanyama and focusing his fire on the other er teams Big. I don't like the idea of him focusing his fire on his teammates. Its just to much of a wildcard for me.

[Dejounte]

Big fan of a run at Dray. What better org to keep him in check than the Spurs, and what better situation for him to fully transition to a vet mentorship role than getting to a team with a rookie generational talent. He's so clearly not in the Spurs' timeline for contention that they can throw him money and have everything set up on day 1.

He's not gonna bark his bark without Steph to back him up, and I like some of the feistiness to his game. Him mentoring Sochan? Deadly...

yep, big fan because of how smart he is on the floor. You don’t become as good as he is/was on the defensive end without BBIQ especially since his physical tools aren’t outstanding. Probably in the top tier of smartest active NBA players along with CP3.

[BatManu20]

Do we all remember how Draymond punched a teammate in practice and this destroyed team chemistry for the entire year?

Imagine the media circus if he came here and knocked out Wemby :lol

[JPB]

Do we all remember how Draymond punched a teammate in practice and this destroyed team chemistry for the entire year?

you're only allowed one punch on a teammate (except if you're MJ). The one thing you can be sure of is that Draymond knows he better behave now if he wants to keep on cashing in good NBA money. Not advocating for his signing, but comportement wise, it's actually now that his value is at its peak...

[BatManu20]

Draymond wants to get one last payday before he’s old and washed, and you can’t blame him. He’s stated he wants to stay in GS, and likely will, but if the Spurs or any other team offered him the bag that neither the Warriors or Lakers can currently afford, I think he’d at least consider it tbh.

Ultimately though, I think he re-signs in Golden State. Only way he would take a significant pay cut is to play with Bron in LA imo.

[JPB]

Draymond wants to get one last payday before he’s old and washed, and you can’t blame him. He wants to stay in GS, and likely will, but if the Spurs or any other team offered him the bag that neither the Warriors or Lakers can afford, I think he’d at least consider it tbh. Ultimately though, I think he resigns in Golden State. Only way he would take a significant pay cut to play with Bron imo.

After Kerr litterally admitted GS was never the same again after the incident, not sure he's stiil welcome or wants to stay.

[BatManu20]

After Kerr litterally admitted GS was never the same again after the incident, not sure he's stiil welcome or wants to stay.

Maybe. Dray is a very emotional dude as we all know, so maybe Kerr’s remarks turned him off. Who knows. Ultimately though I think it just comes down to money. Whoever offers him the biggest bag will likely get his services. Again, unless he’s not seeing any offers he likes and says “fuck it” to go lace me up with Bron in Hollywood.

[Dejounte]

We can’t assume the team will magically improve in its playstyle or grow to start playing like a well-oiled machine. You can draft smarter players, but in the end, experience triumphs. If we want to go back to the old days where oncourt mistakes were minimal, the Spurs have to bring in veteran leadership. And what better way than to bring in one who has been there, done that? Dieng is probably a positive influence in the locker room, but he’s not going to teach the kids how to play great.

[RC_Drunkford]

Kuzma on a good deal as a bench scorer would be a nice addition tbh. I want the Spurs to build a strong 10-man rotation since a lot of teams don‘t have depth

[spurraider21]

im not particularly interested in kuzma

[SpursFan86]

I’ll pass on Kuzma and Draymond. I’m not one of those people saying we should roll out a team of all 21 year olds (I recognize the value of vet leadership), but those two just really don’t appeal much.

Perimeter defense, 3-point shooting threats and a PG that can create and facilitate are the 3 main things I’d like to see. Kuzma and Draymond aren’t really checking those boxes.

[exstatic]

I’m not particularly interested in dropping a bag, even a moderate one, on anyone this summer. If a deal pops up at the MLE or below, I’d be receptive.

[Degoat]

Doesn’t the new CBA require you to use your space?

[objective]

Doesn’t the new CBA require you to use your space?

I think it's that teams that don't hit the salary floor don't get a cut of the luxury tax payouts

[DPG21920]

Doesn’t the new CBA require you to use your space?

Yes and no. You can still elect not to use the space, but you will not get luxury tax payout if you don’t AND the extra money doesn’t go to your players but entire league spread out.

However, the full impacts of this change aren’t until 24/2025. This upcoming season there’s a “transition” year where the luxury tax payment withheld is only 50% vs the full 100% moving forward so still may see some teams use cap space for assets this season but who knows.

[exstatic]

Doesn’t the new CBA require you to use your space?

Yes. Renting it is using it, too.

[RC_Drunkford]

Not really interested in Draymond, but people here don‘t seem to understand why he knocked Poole out. From what I know it went like this:

Dray is from Michigan and Poole went to Michigan State. Poole proceeds to clown Draymond „ You from Michigan, but I fucked more bitches in Michigan than you“

Then Poole started feeling himself and kept saying to Draymond things like: „ why you talking, you gon be playing in Sacramento next season“

this all went on for months until Draymond lost it. Besides that Klay and Steph also don‘t seem to like Poole. Poole actually thinks they are hating on him.

by the way this is true info I did not make this up

[exstatic]

Not really interested in Draymond, but people here don‘t seem to understand why he knocked Poole out. From what I know it went like this:

Dray is from Michigan and Poole went to Michigan State. Poole proceeds to clown Draymond „ You from Michigan, but I fucked more bitches in Michigan than you“

Then Poole started feeling himself and kept saying to Draymond things like: „ why you talking, you gon be playing in Sacramento next season“

this all went on for months until Draymond lost it. Besides that Klay and Steph also don‘t seem to like Poole. Poole actually thinks they are hating on him.

by the way this is true info I did not make this up

Don’t know about the veracity of the story, but you got the schools wrong. Poole went to UofM, and Dray went to Moo U, aka Michigan State.

[TeKu]

Yes. Renting it is using it, too.

It is a bit different than previous seasons here though. Have to be at the salary floor of $120.6m by the start of the regular season now. Can't take that space into the season to facilitate dumps at the trade deadline etc as we did last season.

[Ice009]

What's the Kuzma/France connection that I read about on the previous page? Does he know Victor or something?

[exstatic]

It is a bit different than previous seasons here though. Have to be at the salary floor of $120.6m by the start of the regular season now. Can't take that space into the season to facilitate dumps at the trade deadline etc as we did last season.

Smart teams will want to get ahead of the super punitive second tax apron. Waiting until the deadline or next summer will get them held up at gunpoint.

[kobyz]

Kuzma has a lot of talent but how you prevent him from being a chocker?

[The Truth #6]

Didn’t Kuz play well for Pop in the Olympics?

[RC_Drunkford]

Grizzlies trying to trade Tyus Jones


“The Grizzlies, however, are exploring trade opportunities to help Jones land a full-time starting position elsewhere, league sources told Yahoo Sports, while Memphis has prioritized upgrading the team’s wing depth” Jake also mentions the Raptors, Spurs and Clippers as targets via Jake Fisher

[DesignatedT]

He just named the teams needing a starting PG although the Spurs are better off just rolling with Trey as compared to Tyus.

[RC_Drunkford]

He just named the teams needing a starting PG although the Spurs are better off just rolling with Trey as compared to Tyus.

they could have both. Tyus can shoot the 3 and only got 1 year left on his deal. I just don't see any trade package Memphis would want from us

[Seventyniner]

they could have both. Tyus can shoot the 3 and only got 1 year left on his deal. I just don't see any trade package Memphis would want from us

Pretty much all the Spurs can offer is picks and cap relief, and the Grizz don't really need either of those right now.

That's too bad. I think he would be a great fit at starting PG ahead of his brother.

[Leetonidas]

Grizzlies trying to trade Tyus Jones

via Jake Fisher

I would love Tyus as our starting PG tbh....he always does very well in Ja's place and I think he can excel in a bigger role. He just does not make mistakes with the ball. I think he's been top 2-3 in A/T ratio basically his entire career

[CGD]

Grizzlies trying to trade Tyus Jones

via Jake Fisher

You have to think this was before the recent Ja ruling, no?

[RC_Drunkford]

You have to think this was before the recent Ja ruling, no?

no seems to be new info. Makes no sense to me, but whatever. There aren't too many starting PG gigs out there, but he would have one here. It's just that they want a wing in return.

[Big Empty]

Kuzma would be a solid addition especially for just 20 million he’s seaking. 28 years old and in his prime

[ace3g]

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[EricB]

Kuzma would be a solid addition especially for just 20 million he’s seaking. 28 years old and in his prime


apparently he wants 30 which is, hilarious

[Atl Spur]

Kuzma is too Hollywood for me:(

[spurraider21]

Middleton just opted out

[Mr. Body]

Middleton just opted out

I think that was expected.

[TrueSpursFan]

Middleton just opted out
We have vessel

[spurraider21]

I think that was expected.
And yet there will be posts here after we draft wemby

[Chinook]

Middleton just opted out

It's probably not going to matter, but there legitimate players at multiple positions available in free agency, and the Spurs' cap space and expiring contracts give them a chance to be aggressive with the players they trade away. Those guys sometimes lack the same upside and will definitely be more expensive. But they are more reliable variables, and if moving someone like Johnson or even Vassell or Sochan gets the Spurs that second blue-chipper, the team would have a way to recouping their lost impact. Again, I'm not particularly advocating for them making such a trade, but I do hope the Spurs have a more dynamic roadmap to team-building and not the rather flat one represented by timvp's article.

[MultiTroll]

Bruce Brown just opted out of Nuggets.
Free Agent.

Explore, yes!
Don't confuse the personality but think when we briefly had the good Steven Jackson in the Chip year.
I saw some of that versatility from Brown in this playoffs and Finals.

[MultiTroll]

Middleton washed.
Injuries.
Don't think he ever returns to Chip year play.

If he does, good for him.
Not going to experiement for 40 mil with Spurs. He's trying to cash in on past.

[MultiTroll]

Kuzma would be a solid addition especially for just 20 million he’s seaking. 28 years old and in his prime
That would be a massive Hell No.


Kuzma is too Hollywood for me:(
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[BatManu20]

Kuzma would bring some much needed pizazz to the locker room tbh.

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[buttsR4rebounding]

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Is he wearing Wemby’s shirt?

[Davidicus]

https://twitter.com/GTJGotNext/status/1671923354004078637

[Degoat]

I'll lose my shit if we bring back Jakob lol he's a great player but i think the fit is bad with wemby personally.

[slick'81]

https://twitter.com/GTJGotNext/status/1671923354004078637

poodle power!

[Davidicus]

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1671932376518213642

[Leetonidas]

I'm gonna be annoyed if they bring Poeltl back. I just don't think he fits well next to Wemby and he's soft as fuck. Collins is way more suited to thst role. Poeltl gets easily bullied by any physical big man. And obviously he cannot stretch the floor at all

[Seventyniner]

fwiw, the article timvp wrote last November said a Spurs insider thought Poeltl would be a great fit next to Wemby.


“Jak is the type of center you want next to Vic. He’s unselfish, he can defend inside and out, and he can shoulder the load in the middle,” the Spurs insider explained.

https://www.spurstalk.com/spurs-preparing-for-victor-wembanyama/

If the FO shares that opinion they might go after Poeltl after all. It would marginalize Collins and make remove Bassey from the rotation altogether, but it wouldn't shock me.

[Excessive Egotist]

If we don't use cap space to take on bad contracts, then I suspect we'll target one or more of Austin Reaves, Kyle Kuzma, and/or Bruce Brown. Some think Kuzma will sign for the full MLE. Seems too cheap, but maybe.

[DesignatedT]

Poeltl would be useful next to Wemby for a season or two but don't really see the long-term fit. Can always sign him and trade him down the road for a first rounder though :lol

[NASpurs]

Kuzma is empty calories, fuck that guy.

[Davidicus]

Poeltl I could see PATFO going after. They 100% know who they're getting, he can bang down low for Wemby, and we all know Collins isn't going to make every game. Yes he's not on the same time horizon with Wemby at first glance, but the reality is he could be that filler for 2-3 years while Wemby fills out.

[Excessive Egotist]

I think we should keep our payroll for big men low at center. I'm fine with Collins + Bassy/Barlow/Sochan (in small ball lineups) for now. If we take on cap dump, a overpaid center on a relatively short deal might be helpful. Like Nurkic.

[rankingtear]

Lol that would be funny, they wouldn't have traded Jakob if they knew Wemby would come. You don't want an AD situation with him where there is a carousel of centers every other season forcing him to play tougher physical matchups and making him age 10 years. Zollins is the better fit but the injury history is one of the worst in the league, same for Bassey. Personally I would prefer Vooch but Jakob is a solid option.

[Excessive Egotist]

During the Olympics, it was reported Kuzma and Pop like one another. Pop thinks he's a useful player. I like him in a defined role, particularly as a bench scorer and floor spacer. His defense has improved in recent seasons too.

[JPB]

It's probably not going to matter, but there legitimate players at multiple positions available in free agency, and the Spurs' cap space and expiring contracts give them a chance to be aggressive with the players they trade away. Those guys sometimes lack the same upside and will definitely be more expensive. But they are more reliable variables, and if moving someone like Johnson or even Vassell or Sochan gets the Spurs that second blue-chipper, the team would have a way to recouping their lost impact. Again, I'm not particularly advocating for them making such a trade, but I do hope the Spurs have a more dynamic roadmap to team-building and not the rather flat one represented by timvp's article.

Totally agree. That's the only instance I'd be OK trading those guys.

[Ocotillo]

Houston is very high on Fred VanVleet Because, of course they are.

[Spurs9]

Poeltl and VanFleet are both way overrated.

[Ariel]

It's probably not going to matter, but there legitimate players at multiple positions available in free agency, and the Spurs' cap space and expiring contracts give them a chance to be aggressive with the players they trade away. Those guys sometimes lack the same upside and will definitely be more expensive. But they are more reliable variables, and if moving someone like Johnson or even Vassell or Sochan gets the Spurs that second blue-chipper, the team would have a way to recouping their lost impact. Again, I'm not particularly advocating for them making such a trade, but I do hope the Spurs have a more dynamic roadmap to team-building and not the rather flat one represented by timvp's article.
It's too abstract for me. Can you name the players available in free agency that would replace Sochan, Vassell or Keldon?

[buttsR4rebounding]

I know the Spurs need to get up to 90% of the cap in order not to lose tax revenues. So that's about $119 million in salary. However this year is a transition and they would only lose 50% of the tax revenue so I think between 10 and 15 million. If the right deals don't come along this summer to rent cap space and gather some more draft capital I wonder if they might forfeit the tax money in order to be in a position to take advantage at the trading deadline and quite possibly be the only game in town. I know it didn't work out last year, but the new CBA adds additional incentives to get payroll lower that weren't there last year. It may not make business sense, but it could make basketball sense in the long run.

[Seventyniner]

I know the Spurs need to get up to 90% of the cap in order not to lose tax revenues. So that's about $119 million in salary. However this year is a transition and they would only lose 50% of the tax revenue so I think between 10 and 15 million. If the right deals don't come along this summer to rent cap space and gather some more draft capital I wonder if they might forfeit the tax money in order to be in a position to take advantage at the trading deadline and quite possibly be the only game in town. I know it didn't work out last year, but the new CBA adds additional incentives to get payroll lower that weren't there last year. It may not make business sense, but it could make basketball sense in the long run.

If the Spurs are desperate to make the salary floor I think I can talk my agent into accepting a one year deal for the shortfall.

[Degoat]

So now that the draft has happened the roster crunch is going to be hella interesting. Everyone’s gonna say they can moved etc but I expect guys like Julian, Mamu, and Barlow to be in the roster next year along with Graham

[ace3g]

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Asked about the Spurs' approach to restricted free agent Tre Jones, Wright said they will have to work through that process but was quick to add that, "He's been great for us and has meant a lot to the program. He is quiet glue."

[Mr. Body]

So now that the draft has happened the roster crunch is going to be hella interesting. Everyone’s gonna say they can moved etc but I expect guys like Julian, Mamu, and Barlow to be in the roster next year along with Graham

Good thing about the roster is how everyone has a pretty distinct category. There aren't really any two players developing into the same niche.

[kobyz]

Markelle Fultz probably getting waived next week, he has only $2,000,000 guaranteed for next season and Orlando just drafted Black... guy starting to come to his own, Spurs atmosphere and timeline might be good for him to realize his potential, unselfish guy and all around player that could fit what we trying to do, might be smart investment to go after him

[sfernald]

Markelle Fultz probably getting waived next week, he has only $2,000,000 guaranteed for next season and Orlando just drafted Black... guy starting to come to his own, Spurs atmosphere and timeline might be good for him to realize his potential, unselfish guy and all around player that could fit what we trying to do, might be smart investment to go after him

I think Suggs is more likely the odd man out they try to move on from.

[CGD]

I think Suggs is more likely the odd man out they try to move on from.

I’d get in on that

[eDizzle20]

Vanvleet seems to be a realistic target. The Spurs were near the bottom of the league in both 3-pointers made and percentage. Vanvleet will help with floor spacing for Wemby, he’s a high assist-to-turnover player and is a solid defender.

[CGD]

FVV
Devon
Keldon
Spinkles
Wemby

That’s a nice like up

[spurraider21]

Vanvleet seems to be a realistic target. The Spurs were near the bottom of the league in both 3-pointers made and percentage. Vanvleet will help with floor spacing for Wemby, he’s a high assist-to-turnover player and is a solid defender.
before this past season, Vanvleet was actually a good point of attack defender, but his defense totally fell off a cliff this past year. he's still 29 so a bounce back isnt unreasonable... but im also skeptical that he'd be most motivated right after signing a new deal. he also used to at least be an efficient 3pt shooter, but really went full chucker last year.

if you promised me 2019-2020 Vanvleet, i'd say yeah sure, bring him aboard. but if we are getting something closer to 22-23 Vanvleet, which i imagine would be the case, i'd be terrified of giving him a multiyear deal

id rather trade for lowry's expiring

[CGD]

before this past season, Vanvleet was actually a good point of attack defender, but his defense totally fell off a cliff this past year. he's still 29 so a bounce back isnt unreasonable... but im also skeptical that he'd be most motivated right after signing a new deal. he also used to at least be an efficient 3pt shooter, but really went full chucker last year.

if you promised me 2019-2020 Vanvleet, i'd say yeah sure, bring him aboard. but if we are getting something closer to 22-23 Vanvleet, which i imagine would be the case, i'd be terrified of giving him a multiyear deal

id rather trade for lowry's expiring

Agree. Can’t tell how much of that was him or how much it was the funky stuff going on in Toronto last year. That whole team was off.

I’d consider a 2+1 deal though.

[BackHome]

Vanvleet seems to be a realistic target. The Spurs were near the bottom of the league in both 3-pointers made and percentage. Vanvleet will help with floor spacing for Wemby, he’s a high assist-to-turnover player and is a solid defender.

I am pretty sure he was the one who said "Fuck Pop" when he was celebrating with Kawhi so I don't think they will want him just my two cents

[Chinook]

I am pretty sure he was the one who said "Fuck Pop" when he was celebrating with Kawhi so I don't think they will want him just my two cents

Someone posted a vid showing it was Kawhi's friend who said that. Van Vleet didn't stop the parade to defend Pop, but he's not the one who said it.

[CGD]

Lots of scuttlebutt in the podcastesphere today about what SAC might be up to by opening up capspace during the draft.

If Harrison Barnes is a casualty of that strategy, I’d be interested in bringing him in as a veteran mentor.

[CGD]

Not in the weeds of the new CBA, but my understanding is that teams have a salary minimum that they have to now reach.

Do we know what it is, and, more importantly, how far below the Spurs are at the moment with their projected $26-30M cap space?

[ismael-robert]

Someone posted a vid showing it was Kawhi's friend who said that. Van Vleet didn't stop the parade to defend Pop, but he's not the one who said it.

Vid showed nothing. They pointed cam down so fvv can go rot on a lottery bound team

[Dverde]

Fred Van Fleet already has a ring. My guess is he goes to the highest bidder and I doubt The Spurs will be offering the biggest bag.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not in the weeds of the new CBA, but my understanding is that teams have a salary minimum that they have to now reach.

Do we know what it is, and, more importantly, how far below the Spurs are at the moment with their projected $26-30M cap space?

IF they don't meet it like the Spurs did not last season the team just splits the remainder over the roster.

[scott]

Signing Jak back would be hilarious for so many reasons. Maybe at the deadline we can trade him back to TOR for an unprotected FRP, since he’ll be under a long term deal now. Maybe Jak really likes Toronto but also likes the Spurs and feels like we should have got more for the Nephew trade and this is his way of helping us recoup. :lol

The ORL situation is definitely one to watch. I’d be interested in Fultz or Suggs should one come available… but if I’m ORL, seems like I should be making Cole Anthony available and holding onto the other two.

Would have to imagine WAS will be letting go of one of their many PGs. Maybe they are interested in a few more SRPs for their collection.

Don’t know how we possibly make the salary floor. How big of a contract are we legally allowed to give Dieng?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Not in the weeds of the new CBA, but my understanding is that teams have a salary minimum that they have to now reach.

Do we know what it is, and, more importantly, how far below the Spurs are at the moment with their projected $26-30M cap space?


IF they don't meet it like the Spurs did not last season the team just splits the remainder over the roster.

Pretty sure the part about the cap floor will be in effect from the '24-'25 season but it generally was that teams that don't reach 90% of the cap by training camp are only getting half (I think) of the redistributed money from tax teams. Spurs are at $84 mil guaranteed now for 10 players, Wemby's cap hold is about $12 mil, then they could re-sign Tre, maybe Mamu, Champagnie, KBD, probably a free agent or two and/or some trade where they bring a player into cap space. Basically getting to $122 mil won't be very difficult even if they have to pay someone a lot of money on a 1 year contract.

[kobyz]

I am pretty sure he was the one who said "Fuck Pop" when he was celebrating with Kawhi so I don't think they will want him just my two cents

Pop is so not over himself that he can't tolerate someone who said "Fuck Pop" for laugh while celebrating?

[RC_Drunkford]

Spus will either trade to take on salary for draft capital, sign somebody to a 1-year deal or just not hit the salary floor (which is what I'm expecting). They need to maintain cap flexibility for next offseason.

[duncan2150]

Spus will either trade to take on salary for draft capital, sign somebody to a 1-year deal or just not hit the salary floor (which is what I'm expecting). They need to maintain cap flexibility for next offseason.

They can sign someone they like at a reasonable price and still have a lot of flexibility, mc dermott, graham and birch contracts will be off the books ( only two millions guarateed for graham) and they'ill only have to extend vassell and probably collins.(I'm not counting tre jones extension)

[CGD]

IF they don't meet it like the Spurs did not last season the team just splits the remainder over the roster.

Those were the old rules. I believe now they have to hit a floor, otherwise they lose profit sharing money. That’s big incentive to hit that number.

[TDMVPDPOY]

spurs really need a pg..i hope they dont sign vanfleet or any scrub from toronto

[RC_Drunkford]

Zach LaVine is being shopped around. Would y'all want him?

[CGD]

Zach LaVine is being shopped around. Would y'all want him?

As a person I like him, but never been a fan of his game.

[Mr. Body]

Zach LaVine is being shopped around. Would y'all want him?

Can't see the Spurs taking on salary using existing players/draft capital for a fit who is not clear and will take away development time from young players. Add in how Lavine is making 40-48$ million over the next four years, absolutely not.

[BacktoBasics]

Can't see the Spurs taking on salary using existing players/draft capital for a fit who is not clear and will take away development time from young players. Add in how Lavine is making 40-48$ million over the next four years, absolutely not.
I’m not interested in him either but that seems to be the kinda scorer so many here think we badly need. They want multiple picks and a young player for him. I have no interest in parting with any core players for him.

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't think his salary is an issue, we can afford to overpay. But I would absolutely not send them any of Branham, Vassell, Keldon, Sochan or even Zollins. LaVine for picks I'd think about, but not the ATL ones. Unrealistic of course since the Bulls want players.

[sfernald]

Signing Jak back would be hilarious for so many reasons. Maybe at the deadline we can trade him back to TOR for an unprotected FRP, since he’ll be under a long term deal now. Maybe Jak really likes Toronto but also likes the Spurs and feels like we should have got more for the Nephew trade and this is his way of helping us recoup. :lol

The ORL situation is definitely one to watch. I’d be interested in Fultz or Suggs should one come available… but if I’m ORL, seems like I should be making Cole Anthony available and holding onto the other two.

Would have to imagine WAS will be letting go of one of their many PGs. Maybe they are interested in a few more SRPs for their collection.

Don’t know how we possibly make the salary floor. How big of a contract are we legally allowed to give Dieng?

The problem with trading Cole is he is the only shooter of the bunch, decent three point percentage, microwave scorer off the bench. They really need shooters. Between Fultz and Suggs, I think Fultz has a little more potential. I think you keep Cole and Fultz with Amen but I guess we’ll see.

[Mr. Body]

I don't think his salary is an issue, we can afford to overpay. But I would absolutely not send them any of Branham, Vassell, Keldon, Sochan or even Zollins. LaVine for picks I'd think about, but not the ATL ones. Unrealistic of course since the Bulls want players.

You want to pay this guy $50 mil four years from now?

[exstatic]

Zach LaVine is being shopped around. Would y'all want him?

I think his knee that he had surgery on is degrading.

[RC_Drunkford]

As long as Wemby is on a rookie deal the Spurs can afford to overpay. Branham, Sochan and maybe Wesley's extensions will only kick in in 26/27, which is when he has a PO for his last year. Until then I'd rather have the Spurs overpay for an All-Star PG than to take on bad contracts or mediocre players just to hit the cap minimum.

To be clear I'm not saying I want LaVine, there are just not too many options out there since all the stars are getting up there in age, so I'm simply going through scenarios.

[Mr. Body]

As long as Wemby is on a rookie deal the Spurs can afford to overpay. Branham, Sochan and maybe Wesley's extensions will only kick in in 26/27, which is when he has a PO for his last year. Until then I'd rather have the Spurs overpay for an All-Star PG than to take on bad contracts or mediocre players just to hit the cap minimum.

To be clear I'm not saying I want LaVine, there are just not too many options out there since all the stars are getting up there in age, so I'm simply going through scenarios.

If you pay Zach Lavine $50 million a year, you can't use that money for anything else. It's Zach Lavine's. If he gets hurt or he sucks or he's not a cultural fit, that money is Zach Lavine's. I'd much rather keep the powder dry and find better options.

[Degoat]

I hope we at least look to improve the roster and not be satisfied with just adding our 2 rookies

[K...]

If you pay Zach Lavine $50 million a year, you can't use that money for anything else. It's Zach Lavine's. If he gets hurt or he sucks or he's not a cultural fit, that money is Zach Lavine's. I'd much rather keep the powder dry and find better options.

with the pick haul, salary dumping a TOSB levine is pretty easy, and the marginal cost is low. I'm not really in on levine as a tentpole or vetran, but dont act like he'd be some franchise killer.

[RC_Drunkford]

If you pay Zach Lavine $50 million a year, you can't use that money for anything else. It's Zach Lavine's. If he gets hurt or he sucks or he's not a cultural fit, that money is Zach Lavine's. I'd much rather keep the powder dry and find better options.

no shit genius. I'd also rather look for other options, but the only ones that make sense are 1. we draft a star PG 2. Luka asks for a trade 3. we bring back DJ

[K...]

people really don't understand that wemby is the culture. When some one who previously slandered pop whether it's granted, delusional, or opportunist, wont have the same reaction when it''s "DO THIS FOR WEMBY"

Knowing you have a franchise player makes it easier to tell the guys: play off the bench, reduce your shots, dump passes to the center, take 20% below market.

For instance, taking Van Fleet, sends a signal to the next set of ring chasers that this is the franchise to glom on to. Showing you overpaid on the front of the roster crunch gives legitimacy to the spurs telling guys theyy;ll overpay on the back end of the wemby dynasty.

[Mr. Body]

Lol. Leaving the thread. This mania to pay millions upon millions of dollars to old players their current franchises don't even want... just doesn't make any sense.

[EricB]

Was gonna be for going for Grant Williams, but the more you watch Cissoko the more it looks like they might have that guy.

still for Austin Reeves, or if possible Fultz and go and sign Naz Reid or go nuts and give a giant 2+1 to Brook Lopez

[Big Empty]

Derrick Rose anyone?

[urunobili]

Derrick Rose anyone?
I’m in on this one TBH.

[T Park]

Derrick Rose anyone?

id rather Sochan run point.

Austin. Reeves.

[spurraider21]

Spus will either trade to take on salary for draft capital, sign somebody to a 1-year deal or just not hit the salary floor (which is what I'm expecting). They need to maintain cap flexibility for next offseason.
can hit 2 birds by taking on Lowry tbh. theres your 1 year deal to hit the floor while also trading to take on salary.

especially if lillard is moved and miami is the preferred spot. doubt portland wants Lowry

[spurraider21]

Zach LaVine is being shopped around. Would y'all want him?
i liked him a lot as a 2 alongside DeJounte, not sure he makes sense now

[spurraider21]

The problem with trading Cole is he is the only shooter of the bunch, decent three point percentage, microwave scorer off the bench. They really need shooters. Between Fultz and Suggs, I think Fultz has a little more potential. I think you keep Cole and Fultz with Amen but I guess we’ll see.
Fultz is definitely the better player. good size, really good athlete. his 3 point shot is hideous but his midrange is solid enough. and if you sag off him, you just give him an open runway to the point that he can take advantage of. hes also a solid defender

[spurraider21]

Derrick Rose anyone?
his career revival was a pretty awesome story but even then he'd been playing like 50 games a year or less. been even worse last couple years.

[Degoat]

Hope Timvp can do a free agency article soon :eyebrows

[spurraider21]

Hope Timvp can do a free agency article soon :eyebrows
his previous articles suggested the spurs were interested in CP3 and Vanvleet...

[Degoat]

his previous articles suggested the spurs were interested in CP3 and Vanvleet...

In his last one he did before the draft, his source said the spurs had no interest in either.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/RotoWireEuro/status/1672620596704735233

[exstatic]

https://twitter.com/RotoWireEuro/status/1672620596704735233

The Iron Curtain squad. First Sochan from Poland, then Hanga from Hungary?

[ace3g]

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The Detroit Pistons have waived guard RJ Hampton, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

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[Bruno]

What seems the most logical given Spurs roster is Spurs' re-signing Tre Jones and adding a big through FA.

[exstatic]

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The Detroit Pistons have waived guard RJ Hampton, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

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22 years old, and he may be done. His advanced numbers are horrific, negative nearly across the board.

[Ignazzz]

The Iron Curtain squad. First Sochan from Poland, then Hanga from Hungary?
Yugoslavia with NBA 2023 gold

[JPB]

22 years old, and he may be done. His advanced numbers are horrific, negative nearly across the board.

A 24th pick...

[T Park]

his previous articles suggested the spurs were interested in CP3 and Vanvleet...

he said opposing scouts thought they would be. not the Spurs themselves, which he later had a source in the team say they weren't

[T Park]

What seems the most logical given Spurs roster is Spurs' re-signing Tre Jones and adding a big through FA.

im ok re signing Jones and getting Reeves. they have big guys.

Reeves solves multiple issues as a wing who can guard 1-3. good outside shooting, can play off the ball well as evidenced in LA next to Davis.

he fits like a glove and solves some issues.

[Degoat]

What seems the most logical given Spurs roster is Spurs' re-signing Tre Jones and adding a big through FA.

That’s what I’m thinking, but between ZC, Bassey, Mamu, and Potentially Barlow are we really adding another big? Plus Wemby and Sochan can play big as well.

[Kurik]

All for offering Reeves a good contract if only to force the Lakers to match. Something like 4 years 60-70 million, if someone goes higher even better. I believe the max the Lakers can offer is 4 years 52 million without matching.

[T Park]

All for offering Reeves a good contract if only to force the Lakers to match. Something like 4 years 60-70 million, if someone goes higher even better. I believe the max the Lakers can offer is 4 years 52 million without matching.

4 Years 100 million.

with the cap going up, guys leaving etc, it will be fine and age well. hes young, fits needs.

its a perfect opportunity plus it fucks the Lakers, which is a giant bonus.

[Bruno]

Reeves solves multiple issues as a wing who can guard 1-3. good outside shooting, can play off the ball well as evidenced in LA next to Davis.

he fits like a glove and solves some issues.

If you do that, you quite gave up on developing Branham because Reaves will take away his playing time.

[T Park]

If you do that, you quite gave up on developing Branham because Reaves will take away his playing time.

they can play together. thats the great thing about Reeves, he can play with branham, he can play with the bench the starting unit, he works flawlessly with both.

[objective]

If you do that, you quite gave up on developing Branham because Reaves will take away his playing time.

The one to lose out is probably Wesley. Reaves was a point guard in college and there was some stat that he averaged 6 assists a game the last 11 regular season games as he took on more ball handling responsibilities. I think he would be the full time point.

[Bruno]

That’s what I’m thinking, but between ZC, Bassey, Mamu, and Potentially Barlow are we really adding another big? Plus Wemby and Sochan can play big as well.

I'm just thinking at a 32+ years old vet with an one year contract that won't play every games. ZC struggles with injuries and we don't know how much Wembanyama will play in his rookie season. Having an extra insurance won't be a luxury.

[spurraider21]

I’d like to see a Zollins extension as well

[td4mvp2k]

agree with going after reeves to much of a playmaker not to and even if lakers match they will be tapped out and I'm all for that too. plus spurs can always rent the cap space for a year to a desperate team maybe miami. if a vet big is really needed someone on the cheap end like harrell would be a good sign. roster spots are already close to limited so i would be careful about who stays and who goes from here on out.

[tonight...you]

I’d like to see a Zollins extension as well
Wouldn't hate it at all.
I know a certain Body around here thinks he's got a some game he doesn't enjoy, like Sochan, but I think this team needs it.
Especially now.

[CGD]

What do we think the Vassell extension comes in at, and will the be able to front load it like Keldon?

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't get the Zollins is injury prone talk. He had the issue with his ankle, that's long been handled. Other than that he didn't have any big health issues since.

[onechance87]

Would be foolish of us not to try not to sign reeves...Dude is young and is only going to improve..Think he plays well along wemby as well.He brings energy the way manu did with his playstyle.. Give him 4 year 100 million is what would tempt him imo...and just see if lakers match

[Mr. Body]

$25 million a year for a player you don't even know will fit? Who had one good season for a very particular team?

[TrueSpursFan]

I'm just thinking at a 32+ years old vet with an one year contract that won't play every games. ZC struggles with injuries and we don't know how much Wembanyama will play in his rookie season. Having an extra insurance won't be a luxury.

Wemby is gonna play at least the minimum games needed to win Rookie of the year. Plus he doesn’t want to miss a lot of games.

[onechance87]

$25 million a year for a player you don't even know will fit? Who had one good season for a very particular team?

Thats how it goes usually for a young star....I know you saw what he did in the playoffs...This is a chance at getting ourselves another star with wemby

[Mr. Body]

Thats how it goes usually for a young star....I know you saw what he did in the playoffs...This is a chance at getting ourselves another star with wemby

Which one is the young star?

[Kurik]

I probably wouldn’t go for 100 but I think 70 just to F with the Lakers is worth it and I think someone else will go even higher. The more interested parties the better and the Lakers will be forced to match or go back to being a maybe-playin team.

[MannyIsGod]

$25 million a year for a player you don't even know will fit? Who had one good season for a very particular team?


What about Reeves would make you think he wouldn't fit. Everything about his game should easily translate to any team. 20 mil a year is probably his fair value but as a rfa wed have to overpay.

[tbdog]

Reeves will fit any team. He can play on and off the ball. Good shooter and defender. Plays both guard positions. The question is more about cost.

[Mr. Body]

What about Reeves would make you think he wouldn't fit. Everything about his game should easily translate to any team. 20 mil a year is probably his fair value but as a rfa wed have to overpay.

He's had one good year playing off LeBron James and Anthony Davis and most of the spike in his production comes from a big jump in his 3pt shooting. This is the sort of thing where Miami pays Duncan Robinson a huge salary and then immediately regrets it when his shooting falls off. Other than his shooting he's a decent piece but not worth $25 million.

Overpaying for shooting is a major trap in this league. See also Davis Bertans.

[Degoat]

I think Reaves is a good player, but do we really want to blow our cap on him? I don’t think so personally

[MannyIsGod]

He's had one good year playing off LeBron James and Anthony Davis and most of the spike in his production comes from a big jump in his 3pt shooting. This is the sort of thing where Miami pays Duncan Robinson a huge salary and then immediately regrets it when his shooting falls off. Other than his shooting he's a decent piece but not worth $25 million.

Overpaying for shooting is a major trap in this league. See also Davis Bertans.

Not sure how much you watched but for a lot of the playoffs he was the best creator on the Lakers. Comparing him to bertans or Robinson is incredibly off the mark.

[tbdog]

I think Reaves is a good player, but do we really want to blow our cap on him? I don’t think so personally

If he was a true point guard, you would as we have a bunch of 2s.

[exstatic]

Thats how it goes usually for a young star....I know you saw what he did in the playoffs...This is a chance at getting ourselves another star with wemby

He’s not a star, he’s a typical overhyped Laker youth. He was like their 4th option, and likely unguarded or lightly guarded most of the time.

In the words of Public Enemy…don’t believe the hype. Almost every unknown discovery Laker young player that goes elsewhere tanks.

[Mr. Body]

Not sure how much you watched but for a lot of the playoffs he was the best creator on the Lakers. Comparing him to bertans or Robinson is incredibly off the mark.

I'm not sure if you just scanned what I wrote or what. Maybe read it again.

[rankingtear]

Because of the poison pill Reaves at 100 mil a year would be making 38 mil in year 3. Completely crippling our cap flexibility. I think he would be a good fit but the worst case scenario is just catastrophic. You factor in the lebron effect, half season sample size and the older prospects plateau around his age.

[lefty20]

Because of the poison pill Reaves at 100 mil a year would be making 38 mil in year 3. Completely crippling our cap flexibility. I think he would be a good fit but the worst case scenario is just catastrophic. You factor in the lebron effect, half season sample size and the older prospects plateau around his age.

I think that's only for the Lakers, assuming they match. Other teams would get him at a balanced contract of 25/year. CBA is whack.

[rankingtear]

I think that's only for the Lakers, assuming they match. Other teams would get him at a balanced contract of 25/year. CBA is whack.

Did they changed it? Asik and Jeremy Lin poison pill carried over to the Rockets.

[lefty20]

Did they changed it? Asik and Jeremy Lin poison pill carried over to the Rockets.

They must've. It has something to do with the Arenas Provision.

[T Park]

$25 million a year for a player you don't even know will fit? Who had one good season for a very particular team?

Reeves is a terrific combo guard, something the Spurs need.

He showed he worked well off a big man in Davis, plays damn good down the stretches of big games.


hes young, matches the timeline and the contract ages well. Blake Wesley loses time? Only if he doesn't play well when give the opportunity .. the only one it would effect is Tre Jones down the line and if Wesley and Reeves out play him it makes him expendable anyways.


It's time to stop farting around with BS and upgrade the damn team. Reeves does that.

[T Park]

I think Reaves is a good player, but do we really want to blow our cap on him? I don’t think so personally

You either spend it now, or lose it after Vassell and Collins get their extensions.


This fallacy that there's a super star just waiting for us in a year or two is just that.

[rankingtear]

They must've. It has something to do with the Arenas Provision.

Yeah that is the poison pill. You can't offer more than MLE in his first 2 years. His third year is 38 mil.

[Mugen]

Reaves isn't leaving the Lakers. Any team that signs him to an offer sheet is just upping the price for Jeanie but they'll match. Has an attitude built for the Lakers as well tbh. He'll get a big contract then will probably get traded in a year or two :lol

[lefty20]

I agree, Lakers will definitely match. That's why I want someone to offer him the 99/4 sheet.

[Mr. Body]

Josh Richardson is without a contract, btw.

[onechance87]

Josh Richardson is without a contract, btw.

Dont mind him back along with poelti:flag:

[Mugen]

Speaking of the Lakers, the Spurs liked Hachimura a lot during his draft. I know we have Wemby/Sochan/Collins but I think his skillset would fit pretty damn nicely with those guys. He's also much more gettable than Reaves.

[Kurik]

I wouldn’t mind giving Mason Plumlee a 1 year pay day if he’s interested.

[spurraider21]

I’d still sign Reaves to an offer sheet to make the lakers match. But you want to make it big enough to make them consider not matching. They’d match 4/70 for sure. Once you get past 80-85 they’d have to really think about it. I’m not suggesting going as high as 100 but I’d go in at or near 80

assuming the lakers promptly match redirect efforts toward brolo or plumlee

[Chinook]

Because of the poison pill Reaves at 100 mil a year would be making 38 mil in year 3. Completely crippling our cap flexibility. I think he would be a good fit but the worst case scenario is just catastrophic. You factor in the lebron effect, half season sample size and the older prospects plateau around his age.


I think that's only for the Lakers, assuming they match. Other teams would get him at a balanced contract of 25/year. CBA is whack.

Poison Pill was that thing that made trading Keldon harder. It's the Arenas provision here. The Spurs would still be paying Reaves the max in years three and four. His cap hit is smoothed, but the cash is still given out that way. For the Lakers, the cash and cap hit are the same each year. The Rockets kept Asik for two years when his cash hit was cheap and then dumped him during that last expensive year. Those last two years could be when the Spurs have a much larger salary commitment to other players, and the Holts seem to struggle with cash availability. It's something to consider. I don't know for sure that the new CBA didn't get rid of this, but that is the current rule as far as I can tell.

[Mr. Body]

If you really need a hold-over at point, like really realy feel you need a hold-over, just get Richardson back. He's a good dude, he'll shoot the ball, he'll come off the bench. Done.

Or just recognize that Graham can do this, too.

No need to spend wild money on players who aren't worth it.

[Degoat]

I kinda like Seth Curry as a cheap-ish vet but kind of redundant with Graham here

[rankingtear]

Poison Pill was that thing that made trading Keldon harder. It's the Arenas provision here. The Spurs would still be paying Reaves the max in years three and four. His cap hit is smoothed, but the cash is still given out that way. For the Lakers, the cash and cap hit are the same each year. The Rockets kept Asik for two years when his cash hit was cheap and then dumped him during that last expensive year. Those last two years could be when the Spurs have a much larger salary commitment to other players, and the Holts seem to struggle with cash availability. It's something to consider. I don't know for sure that the new CBA didn't get rid of this, but that is the current rule as far as I can tell.

I get it now. You can smooth it to not a have a poison pill restriction on the third year Haven't read about the cash hit, sounds like something ownership won't do for a player like Reaves.

[Kurik]

Spurs need to spend quite a bit to reach the salary floor right? Like 30ish million? Assuming no trade happens that needs their help with cap space.

[scott]

Richardson seems like the perfect vet for our team now, and has some corporate knowledge. Not sure of his interest in returning.

Lavine would have been a perfect second star but has proven he can’t stay healthy so is no longer worth even considering, IMO.

Giving Reeves a monster 4-year deal just seems like a panic move.

Spurs need chaos to work in their favor and for some real shake up. I have a feeling these upcoming FA classes that look promising will fizzle out, like they always do.

[Dejounte]

Jordan Clarkson, maybe

[CGD]

Spurs need to spend quite a bit to reach the salary floor right? Like 30ish million? Assuming no trade happens that needs their help with cap space.

That’s what I’m wondering.

Tre’s new deal will help some, but they still need to pay some one.

[CGD]

I’d like Harrison Barnes on the team as mentor and key reserve, and more so on a short term deal. If Mike Conley became available via trade, he’s another I’d love on the team in a similar capacity.

[slick'81]

This will definitely be an interesting free agency. While I dont see the spurs spending big bucks they got to bring in some vets right?!

[CGD]

This will definitely be an interesting free agency. While I dont see the spurs spending big bucks they got to bring in some vets right?!

Yeah, I see a number of teams giving inflated one year deals (maybe with partially guaranteed second years or team options), for this reason. Spurs are one of them.

[SpursFan86]

https://twitter.com/tsaltas46/status/1672865573494210563?s=46&t=7J7PSnY8RJS8_UemWCmgcA

Sounds like Micic is for sure coming over.

[EricB]

Lol “save that money”

Same BS different year

[Davidicus]

https://twitter.com/N_Magaro/status/1672970838562295810

[Mr. Body]

Lol “save that money”

Same BS different year

If this board had its way, we'd be paying these players $45 million/season each:

Tobias Harris
Ben Simmons
Zach Lavine
John Collins
Deandre Ayton

And we'd be stuck with these guys as centers:

Kai Jones
Mo Bamba

[Degoat]

https://twitter.com/N_Magaro/status/1672970838562295810

Like Tyus Jones a lot but we have his brother lol would be weird to trade for him and make Tre his backup

[Kurik]

If this board had its way, we'd be paying these players $45 million/season each:

Tobias Harris
Ben Simmons
Zach Lavine
John Collins
Deandre Ayton

And we'd be stuck with these guys as centers:

Kai Jones
Mo Bamba

Either way Spurs need to spend to reach the floor by day 1. Not saying we overpay but may as well improve a position if possible. If there’s a vet out there that is worth a 1 year 15-20 mil contract, the spurs should go for it.

[RC_Drunkford]

If this board had its way, we'd be paying these players $45 million/season each:

Tobias Harris
Ben Simmons
Zach Lavine
John Collins
Deandre Ayton

And we'd be stuck with these guys as centers:

Kai Jones
Mo Bamba

if you had your way we'd play with 5 non shooters. I'm sure that's a winning recipe

[Mugen]

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[SpursFan86]

https://twitter.com/chrisbhaynes/status/1672995568099160064?s=46&t=7J7PSnY8RJS8_UemWCmgcA

Ayton staying in Phoenix (or so it appears).

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/chrisbhaynes/status/1672995568099160064?s=46&t=7J7PSnY8RJS8_UemWCmgcA

Ayton staying in Phoenix (or so it appears).
Aka Phoenix realized they overpaid him and therefore don’t have suitors

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Aka Phoenix realized they overpaid him and therefore don’t have suitors

My thought too. Too much money for a guy who's balls shrivel under pressure. Of course, that's basically the history of the entire Suns' organization.

[duncan2150]

Still on the Coby White and Naz Reid bandwagon if they don't cost too much and for some 2-3 years contract.

[Mugen]

Aka Phoenix realized they overpaid him and therefore don’t have suitors

I think they'd have suitors if they wanted to trade him for rotation guys tbh.

He's got a loser mentality but he put up 18/10 on good efficiency and is only 25yo. A GM would take a chance on him no doubt.

I don't think they're actively looking to ship him in the summer. Probably give it a training camp and a few months to see if Vogel can get anything out of him (or inflate his value) before shipping him closer to the deadline.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I think they'd have suitors if they wanted to trade him for rotation guys tbh.

He's got a loser mentality but he put up 18/10 on good efficiency and is only 25yo. A GM would take a chance on him no doubt.

I don't think they're actively looking to ship him in the summer. Probably give it a training camp and a few months to see if Vogel can get anything out of him (or inflate his value) before shipping him closer to the deadline.

He's the new John Collins - OK player, terrible contract = bad value. Some team might take a chance on him but unlikely to pay for it and Suns apparently don't want to just give him away.

[Chinook]

He's the new John Collins - OK player, terrible contract = bad value. Some team might take a chance on him but unlikely to pay for it and Suns apparently don't want to just give him away.

Which should be (yet) another cautionary tale for the "get something for him" crowd. It's okay if players walk sometimes. If a good opportunity is there, take it. If not just move on. Neither ATL nor PHX wanted to keep those guys but paid like they did. It shows now in their inability to move them or rehab their value.

[MannyIsGod]

If this board had its way, we'd be paying these players $45 million/season each:

Tobias Harris
Ben Simmons
Zach Lavine
John Collins
Deandre Ayton

And we'd be stuck with these guys as centers:

Kai Jones
Mo Bamba

This is some glass house stone throwing if I've ever seen it. If it were up to you, we would have been in the play in game yet AGAIN last year with no end in sight and facing a big payday for DJM.

[MannyIsGod]

Which should be (yet) another cautionary tale for the "get something for him" crowd. It's okay if players walk sometimes. If a good opportunity is there, take it. If not just move on. Neither ATL nor PHX wanted to keep those guys but paid like they did. It shows now in their inability to move them or rehab their value.

i don't think that Ayton deal is a negative contract. No sense in dealing both he and Paul but I'm sure fi they wanted to move Ayton they definitely could do so easily. Doubt they'd get back equal value, but I also don't think they'd have to salary dump him.

IOW, I think you are right, but I also think retaining Ayton was the right move for the Suns.

[Mr. Body]

There is no market for Ayton. That's the problem they're facing.

[Mr. Body]

This is some glass house stone throwing if I've ever seen it. If it were up to you, we would have been in the play in game yet AGAIN last year with no end in sight and facing a big payday for DJM.

Hold up. You're saying we would not be in the play in, or some shit, if we overpaid these mostly terrible players?

How does that make a goddamn lick of sense?

[CGD]

1672865573494210563

Wonder what OKC’s price is?

[BacktoBasics]

There is no market for Ayton. That's the problem they're facing.

I don’t believe that at all. There’s a market but it’s not going to return a massive haul. No reason to move him if it’s simply a lateral move and even less of a reason to salary dump him.

[Mr. Body]

I don’t believe that at all. There’s a market but it’s not going to return a massive haul. No reason to move him if it’s simply a lateral move and even less of a reason to salary dump him.

There's really no market. That's why they're trying to pump the pedal and generate one. No one wants to pay number one pick salary for a lazy disinterested player who vanishes in the playoffs. There was barely a market before the CBA and there sure as heck ain't one now.

[Seventyniner]

Which should be (yet) another cautionary tale for the "get something for him" crowd. It's okay if players walk sometimes. If a good opportunity is there, take it. If not just move on. Neither ATL nor PHX wanted to keep those guys but paid like they did. It shows now in their inability to move them or rehab their value.

It reminds me of a Texas Holdem player calling an all in bet on the turn with just a flush draw getting only 2:1 odds after having called a bet on the flop. Folding is the right play, even if outsiders deep in the sunk cost fallacy will chirp otherwise.

[Mr. Body]

Naz Reid resigns with Wolves.

[SpursFan86]

1673067039278104579

3 years/$42MM for Naz Reid

[TD 21]

Given how low they are on young assets (though the Spurs might have just handed them one for free), this is more about asset retention than anything else.

A trade the magnitude of a Towns one wouldn't have depended on it, but Reid is something like a poor man's version of him, increasing the odds of his being traded by the deadline or next off season.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1673076515469242369

[spurraider21]

It’s about time they invested in a big

[spurraider21]

Zollins isn’t a FA yet but i wonder what he’d ask for an extension after seeing what Naz got. I’m guessing 15-18 per

[BatManu20]

$14M/per for a backup C isn’t ideal. This signals to me that they’re planning on trading one of KAT or Rudy after another inevitable failure of a season though. Rumor has it they’ve already been shopping KAT before the draft. Either way, I think they eventually try to recoup some of those lost draft picks via that awful Rudy trade by shipping one of those guys out sooner rather than later.

[BatManu20]

Zollins isn’t a FA yet but i wonder what he’d ask for an extension after seeing what Naz got. I’m guessing 15-18 per

That’s prob a pretty safe bet. He’s better than Mitchell Robinson who makes $15M/per. Jarrett Allen is definitely better and makes $20M/per. So somewhere in that $15M-$18M range sounds about right, if he proves he can stay healthy for another full season.

[Mr. Body]

Imagine paying Deandre Ayton $35 million a year or Zach Collins $18 million a year.