Spurs free agency targets

[DAF86]

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I love this option if it can be done for a 2nd round or two.

[BatManu20]

Feels like OKC’s backcourt is suddenly getting stacked. SGA, Jalen Williams, Cason Wallace, this Milic guy, Isaiah Joe, & Tre Mann. On top of ball-dominant F Josh Giddey. Good problem to have I guess.

[spurraider21]

Tre Mann is cheeks

[mystargtr34]

$14M/per for a backup C isn’t ideal. This signals to me that they’re planning on trading one of KAT or Rudy after another inevitable failure of a season though. Rumor has it they’ve already been shopping KAT before the draft. Either way, I think they eventually try to recoup some of those lost draft picks via that awful Rudy trade by shipping one of those guys out sooner rather than later.

KAT is 100% gone imo. Naz will play about 25 minutes a game (15 minutes backing up Rudy and about 10 minutes at the 4 depending on how well they mesh). Naz is more suited to the 4 than KAT is who is way too slow footed and basically too big and slow to play there.

I think the Wolves and Cavs should do a deal around Garland and KAT and involve a third team to take Jarrett Allen. Garland fills a position of need for the Wolves at the 1, KAT gives the Cavs more offense and Mobley next to him at the 4 covers his deficiencies.

Wolves
Rudy
Stretch 4/Naz Reid
McDaniels
Edwards
Garland

Cavs
KAT
Mobley
3/D wing
Mitchell
3/D point

Maybe the Spurs can get involved and facilitate sending Jarett Allen Somewhere for a pick and taking on some bad salary.

[Mugen]

I love this option if it can be done for a 2nd round or two.

Probably a few of our best 2nds or maybe take Bertans off their hands?

[DAF86]

Probably a few of our best 2nds or maybe take Bertans off their hands?

I would love to get future all-star Bertans back, tbh.

[Mugen]

I would love to get future all-star Bertans back, tbh.

I bet tbh :lol

[CGD]

I would love to get future all-star Bertans back, tbh.

Interesting note is that while Bert has a ETO in the last year of his deal (2024-25 season) for 16M, only $5 million of the last year is guaranteed. It’s only fully guaranteed if plays 75% of regular season games in 2023-24.

[Mugen]

KAT to the Hawks for Dejounte/Collins? tbh

[CGD]

KAT and Trae are made for each other ^

[mo7888]

KAT to the Hawks for Dejounte/Collins? tbh

If they made that trade Minnesota might be willing to move Conley..

[mystargtr34]

KAT to the Hawks for Dejounte/Collins? tbh

Maybe but who’s gonna defend on the Hawks? Especially to make up for how pathetic KAT is on that end. Don’t think Deandre Hunter is good enough to cover him alone. Plus Collins has negative value and Dejounte alone has less value than KAT imo. Maybe if they can get. A defensive 4 nezt to Hunter at the 3 you can cover KAT with two big defensive wings.

If I’m a franchise I’m only trading for KAT if I can pair him next to a high level defensive 4. I.e Mobley, Bam, JJJ, WEMBY ;).

[Mugen]

Maybe but who’s gonna defend on the Hawks? Especially to make up for how pathetic KAT is on that end. Don’t think Deandre Hunter is good enough to cover him alone. Plus Collins has negative value and Dejounte alone has less value than KAT imo. Maybe if they can get. A defensive 4 nezt to Hunter at the 3 you can cover KAT with two big defensive wings.

If I’m a franchise I’m only trading for KAT if I can pair him next to a high level defensive 4. I.e Mobley, Bam, JJJ, WEMBY ;).

Yeah defensive fit isn't great. I'd probably start Okongwu or Capela (if he's still around) next to Kat and have Hunter and Griffin on the wings.

Wolves do it to move off KAT's contract even though Collins' deal is marginally better.

Probably won't happen but I do think the following is pretty likely to happen before the deadline:
1) Hawks move Dejounte and try to attach Collins
2) Wolves will start taking calls on KAT

[TD 21]

KAT is 100% gone imo. Naz will play about 25 minutes a game (15 minutes backing up Rudy and about 10 minutes at the 4 depending on how well they mesh). Naz is more suited to the 4 than KAT is who is way too slow footed and basically too big and slow to play there.

I think the Wolves and Cavs should do a deal around Garland and KAT and involve a third team to take Jarrett Allen. Garland fills a position of need for the Wolves at the 1, KAT gives the Cavs more offense and Mobley next to him at the 4 covers his deficiencies.

Wolves
Rudy
Stretch 4/Naz Reid
McDaniels
Edwards
Garland

Cavs
KAT
Mobley
3/D wing
Mitchell
3/D point

Maybe the Spurs can get involved and facilitate sending Jarett Allen Somewhere for a pick and taking on some bad salary.

Eventually the Cavaliers will have to turn Allen into a stretch big and choose between Mitchell/Garland (the former could make the decision for them first), but it's too soon.

Their core, although talented and young, is too flawed to win at the highest level (two limited-non shooting C's offensively, two small guards defensively, no 3 and D wings or draft capital/flexibility).

This trade would also create a second significant hole for them to fill, with limited means to do so.



KAT to the Hawks for Dejounte/Collins? tbh

Not enough for the Timberwolves, although they're in a win-now situation (likely stuck with Gobert, clock ticking on Edwards), so this is a more likely package than picks/prospects.

Said it at the time, they should have just offered the Spurs close to what they did for Gobert for Murray + Poeltl last off season.

[tbdog]

Interesting note is that while Bert has a ETO in the last year of his deal (2024-25 season) for 16M, only $5 million of the last year is guaranteed. It’s only fully guaranteed if plays 75% of regular season games in 2023-24.

Just to note, we don't have roster space for borderline rotational players. I still expect the Spurs to pick up at least one rotational player.

[spurraider21]

Roster crunch because of guys like Champagnie, Barlow, Bassey… really guys?

[tbdog]

Roster crunch because of guys like Champagnie, Barlow, Bassey… really guys?

It comes down to why remove min contract non rotational players for expensive non rotional players eg Bertans.

[spurraider21]

It comes down to why remove min contract non rotational players for expensive non rotional players eg Bertans.
That’s a discussion to be had but that’s different from a roster crunch. Bertans wouldn’t be the target acquisition in any of these scenarios. He’s the price we pay to get what we want. Micic or otherwise

[Mr. Body]

Roster crunch because of guys like Champagnie, Barlow, Bassey… really guys?

Yes. Each one was a rookie or just now getting playing time. You can pretend to know who they will be as players. No one else does.

We know what Bertans is as a player. He shoots threes. That's it. If he misses them, he's useless on the court.

[RC_Drunkford]

Appartently the Rockets want to sign every free agent out there:

According to a person with knowledge of their thinking, they have interest in the Bucks’ Khris Middleton and Brook Lopez, the Nuggets’ Bruce Brown, the Jazz’s Jordan Clarkson, the Lakers’ Rui Hachimura and Austin Reeves, the Nets’ Cam Johnson, the Warriors’ Donte DiVincenzo, the Grizzlies’ Dillon Brooks, the Raptors’ Jakob Poeltl and the Mavericks’ Dwight Powell (https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/rockets/article/houston-rockets-nba-free-agency-shopping-list-18161570.php).
– via Houston Chronicle (https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/rockets/article/houston-rockets-nba-free-agency-shopping-list-18161570.php)

[exstatic]

Appartently the Rockets want to sign every free agent out there:

According to a person with knowledge of their thinking, they have interest in the Bucks’ Khris Middleton and Brook Lopez, the Nuggets’ Bruce Brown, the Jazz’s Jordan Clarkson, the Lakers’ Rui Hachimura and Austin Reeves, the Nets’ Cam Johnson, the Warriors’ Donte DiVincenzo, the Grizzlies’ Dillon Brooks, the Raptors’ Jakob Poeltl and the Mavericks’ Dwight Powell (https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/rockets/article/houston-rockets-nba-free-agency-shopping-list-18161570.php).
– via Houston Chronicle (https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/rockets/article/houston-rockets-nba-free-agency-shopping-list-18161570.php)

Wait, why would they need Jak if they have Sengün Jesus, already?

[jesterbobman]

I think the Houston rumours are all based around the fact that their pick is only top 4 protected going to OKC from the Paul / Westbrook trade, so they'll probably spend on whatever they can as they've go no reason not to. They'll probably take whatever they can. "Jakob, we missed our other targets, want $25m per year? Brook, 3 years $100m?"

I think there's a chance for the cap space teams to get assets for taking on bad short term money - Houston being out of the running for that job means we should be able to get more out of renting our cap space to save the Knicks / Hawks / Clippers etc salary x4 with the tax impacts.

[LeBowen]

Wait, why would they need Jak if they have Sengün Jesus, already?

Sengun is listed at 6'9, 235.
He shouldn't start at C, at least not yet.

If we get a big, it should be someone with range, but getting Jakob back would be hillarious. Raptors would go in full meltdown mode.

I just hope we don't get FVV, can't stand him.

[baseline bum]

I think the Houston rumours are all based around the fact that their pick is only top 4 protected going to OKC from the Paul / Westbrook trade, so they'll probably spend on whatever they can as they've go no reason not to. They'll probably take whatever they can. "Jakob, we missed our other targets, want $25m per year? Brook, 3 years $100m?"

I think there's a chance for the cap space teams to get assets for taking on bad short term money - Houston being out of the running for that job means we should be able to get more out of renting our cap space to save the Knicks / Hawks / Clippers etc salary x4 with the tax impacts.

I don't think renting cap space is a good idea unless it's only for one year, as having some capspace could be really useful next summer if the Spurs make an all-in move on a non free agent vet with the Atlanta picks.

[SpursFan86]

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[Mr. Body]

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I would love a palace in the Himalayas.

[Degoat]

Miami is totally leaking all of this Lillard stuff, Call me crazy but I really think all this media manipulation causes players to be yeah you know what im out...

[spurraider21]

Lillard Heat trade provides an opportunity to come in and take Lowry for 1 year

[exstatic]

Sengun is listed at 6'9, 235.
He shouldn't start at C, at least not yet.

If we get a big, it should be someone with range, but getting Jakob back would be hillarious. Raptors would go in full meltdown mode.

I just hope we don't get FVV, can't stand him.

Allegedly, he grew 2 inches, but I don't believe that. One of the reasons he dropped out of the lottery was that he's too small to play the 5, and being a C+ NBA athlete, can't defend today's PFs. He's got a ton of skills, just no position.

[exstatic]

Lillard Heat trade provides an opportunity to come in and take Lowry for 1 year

I wouldn't hate it, depending on the asset(s) attached. He'd be at least mildly useful, unlike the dead cap Luol Deng we got in the CHI trade two years ago.

My low friction, vet PG cap rental list is this:

Mike Conley - 35
Kyle Lowry - 37
Jrue Holiday - 33

I have Holiday last, because I consider him the least available. I don't think MIL moves him unless Middleton bolts, and they want a trade exception to re-tool with somewhat younger players. If he's actually available, he goes to the top of my list.

[baseline bum]

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LOL for what if they're keeping Bam and Jimmy? Yeah let me trade you my franchise player for Duncan Robinson and Tyler Herro.

[Mr. Body]

LOL for what if they're keeping Bam and Jimmy? Yeah let me trade you my franchise player for Duncan Robinson and Tyler Herro.

Yep. No way this can work without, y'know, trading actual pieces.

[Mr. Body]

I would be up for Lowry for a year. He's still a good player, has tons of experience, can start.

But I think his expiring contract is going to be useful to some team who isn't simply looking to absorb salary.

[exstatic]

I would be up for Lowry for a year. He's still a good player, has tons of experience, can start.

But I think his expiring contract is going to be useful to some team who isn't simply looking to absorb salary.

The problem is, Miami really needs that salary off their books. They need it to be absorbed.

[spurraider21]

I wouldn't hate it, depending on the asset(s) attached. He'd be at least mildly useful, unlike the dead cap Luol Deng we got in the CHI trade two years ago.

My low friction, vet PG cap rental list is this:

Mike Conley - 35
Kyle Lowry - 37
Jrue Holiday - 33

I have Holiday last, because I consider him the least available. I don't think MIL moves him unless Middleton bolts, and they want a trade exception to re-tool with somewhat younger players. If he's actually available, he goes to the top of my list.
even if Holiday were to become available, he's the type of guy they'd still want actual assets for, as opposed to Lowry who at this point is a cap burden. i'd like either of Lowry or Conley. but with Miami wanting to make a splash move, seems thats the most obvious route for the Spurs to rent a PG while they give Wesley/Graham another year to show what they've got

[barakz21]

Not sure if mentioned, but finally. FINALLY, the Hawks traded Jollins to the Jazz for Gay and a SRP.

[jesterbobman]

I don't think renting cap space is a good idea unless it's only for one year, as having some capspace could be really useful next summer if the Spurs make an all-in move on a non free agent vet with the Atlanta picks.

Yeah, short term cap space renting is fine, I wouldn't take on long term bad contracts (e.g, Ben Simmons) unless the asset overpay was egregious (all the Phoenix picks? Welcome to San Antonio , Mr Ben Simmons' contract - but that's not happening).
Now that the Hawks have traded John, most of the tax teams have contracts that are 1 year at money that they might want to move on from - Lowry, Batum, Fournier, Conley etc.

[duncan2150]

Naz Reid was expected to generate no shortage of interest in free agency from teams possessing the full non-taxpayer midlevel exception of $12.4 million — I’m told Dallas was among them (https://marcstein.substack.com/p/trade-season-free-agency-week-and) — and possibly more from teams with salary cap space. The Spurs, league sources say, are another Texas team that would have had interest in Reid had he made it to free agency
Source: Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com (https://marcstein.substack.com/p/trade-season-free-agency-week-and)

[tbdog]

Naz Reid was expected to generate no shortage of interest in free agency from teams possessing the full non-taxpayer midlevel exception of $12.4 million — I’m told Dallas was among them (https://marcstein.substack.com/p/trade-season-free-agency-week-and) — and possibly more from teams with salary cap space. The Spurs, league sources say, are another Texas team that would have had interest in Reid had he made it to free agency
Source: Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com (https://marcstein.substack.com/p/trade-season-free-agency-week-and)

Didn't he just resign?

[duncan2150]

Didn't he just resign?

Yes

[Mr. Body]

Man, I hope we can absorb some dumb contracts and get more assets. Feelin' greedy.

[BackHome]

Utah just got Collins and Hawks got Rudy Gay and a second round pick..rowlf

[kobyz]

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i think Toronto and Denver are two teams who would target a deal for him

[TP2150]

Do you think the Spurs would consider Kyle Kuzma? I saw that he traveled to Franch to meet Wemby. https://www.instagram.com/p/Cso1ndDS9zV/

[Mr. Body]

I legit think Pop would kill Kyle Kuzma before long.

[TP2150]

https://lakersnation.com/lakers-news-gregg-popovich-became-big-fan-of-kyle-kuzma-during-team-usa/ this said he was a big fan.. but maybe because he was with the Lakers at the time.

[DAF86]

Not sure if mentioned, but finally. FINALLY, the Hawks traded Jollins to the Jazz for Gay and a SRP.

I remember the hard on SpursTalk had on this guy, and then they act all picky when it comes to a HoF PG on a rental for a couple of years. :lol

[Mr. Body]

https://lakersnation.com/lakers-news-gregg-popovich-became-big-fan-of-kyle-kuzma-during-team-usa/ this said he was a big fan.. but maybe because he was with the Lakers at the time.
“I didn’t know him at all and in all honesty watching him play now and then during the season I didn’t see a lot of rhyme and reason to what he was doing,” Popovich said. “He looked like a young Manu (Ginobili), he was running around, energetic and willing and working hard, but he had no idea what was going to happen.”

This is hilarious. It's like he's a shitty Manu Ginobili.

[barakz21]

I remember the hard on SpursTalk had on this guy, and then they act all picky when it comes to a HoF PG on a rental for a couple of years. :lol

Not sure if it was a hard on, but at the very least there was a lot of back and forth in the forum about trading for him or signing him to a contract. I remember when it was announced they signed Zollins, a lot of posters complained they signed the wrong Collins. Might’ve been accurate then, since it was considered a gamble. Thus far though, it seems to have paid off and currently at least, it seems we have the right (and maybe even better) Collins.

[Mr. Body]

Not sure if it was a hard on, but at the very least there was a lot of back and forth in the forum about trading for him or signing him to a contract. I remember when it was announced they signed Zollins, a lot of posters complained they signed the wrong Collins. Might’ve been accurate then, since it was considered a gamble. Thus far though, it seems to have paid off and currently at least, it seems we have the right (and maybe even better) Collins.

Oh, this forum was freaking obsessed with John Collins.

[TD 21]

With the Mavericks acquiring Holmes, drafting Lively II, probably being stuck with McGee and still having Kleber (combo big), that might be it for Powell.

He's a central casting Spur and other than his lack of strength, would be a near ideal candidate (rim runner, good finisher, defender) to fill the veteran big hole.

[heyheymymy]

I don't like the idea of Lowry or Conley outside of a deal to absorb salary for draft capital.

Do it only if they never step foot in a Spurs facility or wear silver and black. Take them on to bundle inbound some future picks and maybe meet the salary floor and then cut them.

I do like the idea of targeting Micic, that seems like a perfect Spursy fit/type move.

[slick'81]

Just bring back mills,poodle ,DjM and white. The title will be ours:flag:

[heyheymymy]

Well suppose if you cut Lowry and someone picks him up in 48hrs you won't have his salary on the books anymore to meet the floor with?

[cutewizard]

I miss Derick White

[exstatic]

I don't like the idea of Lowry or Conley outside of a deal to absorb salary for draft capital.

Do it only if they never step foot in a Spurs facility or wear silver and black. Take them on to bundle inbound some future picks and maybe meet the salary floor and then cut them.

I do like the idea of targeting Micic, that seems like a perfect Spursy fit/type move.

Why would you cut either of them? It’s not like they’re washed like Luol Deng. They both have at least a few years of good ball ahead of them, shoot distribute and play D, and are good locker room guys. At the very least, you hold onto them until the trade deadline to see if you can get something for them from a contender.

[Chinook]

I miss Derick White

Yep. Fans would've been bitching about his age, but he would've been great to have now. I think someone like Bronny could be that guy if he get the expectations and heritage under control. Everything I've heard about him is that he's an extremely intelligent player who knows where to be on defense and is a "connector" on offense. I think if he were someone else's kid, folks would already be talking about him. Him being Lebron's son has cut both ways.

[Degoat]

I really like the idea of Gabe Vincent or Seth Curry as an under the radar signing. Doubt it happens tho, spurs more than likely will use any roster spots on a big.

[John B]

Kevin Love is who I always think should be a Spur. I think he’ll be a good vet signing.

[kobyz]

Kevin Love is who I always think should be a Spur. I think he’ll be a good vet signing.
If he's not retiring it's only to play for contender

[exstatic]

Kevin Love is who I always think should be a Spur. I think he’ll be a good vet signing.

:vomit:

While I am open to renting cap space for vet contracts, I am vehemently opposed to just signing old guys and burning our cap room without getting any return.

[Mr. Body]

Up for Lowry if we can finagle a pick or couple SRPs. He can help for a year.

Conley or Valanciunas would be great. I didn't realize how cheap JV is. But they're not going anywhere (Conley) or would cost like a FRP at least (Val) and I don't want to do that.

I'm up for taking on salary ballast if a big trade comes, but this summer is the 2023 Damien Lillard version of the 2022 waiting around for Kyrie Irving/Kevin Durant to actually do something summer.

Still interested in taking Patty on his expiring and feeling out the Clippers for bailing on Nicolas Batum's expiring contract.

[RC_Drunkford]

Apparently Valanciunas is on the block. Question is, can we get him for a couple 2nds? Also good to know that the Spurs were interested in signing Naz Reid, that definitely seemed like the right move



San Antonio was known to be waiting with a short-term contract for Reid and the hope of pairing him with Victor Wembanyama in the frontcourt, sources said. Now the Spurs will have to turn to other targets, perhaps someone like Pelicans center Jonas Valanciunas, as New Orleans and San Antonio recently did business on offloading Devonte’ Graham’s contract, and the Pelicans, sources said, have since made Valanciunas available in search of more mobile, rim-protecting big men. (https://sports.yahoo.com/2023-nba-free-agency-with-john-collins-trade-forwards-dominating-early-discussions-151510087.html) New Orleans made one call, sources said, to Cleveland about obtaining Jarrett Allen. Another team that wanted to be in the mix for Reid was Allen’s Cavaliers, sources said. Cleveland would have needed a sign-and-trade avenue to acquire the talented big man. It remains to be seen if the Cavs will continue searching for other frontcourt reserve options behind Allen and Evan Mobley, or if the front office simply valued Reid that highly.
12 mins ago (https://hoopshype.com/rumor/jonas-valanciunas-on-the-block/) – via Yahoo! Sports (https://sports.yahoo.com/2023-nba-free-agency-with-john-collins-trade-forwards-dominating-early-discussions-151510087.html)

[JPB]

I don't like the idea of Lowry or Conley outside of a deal to absorb salary for draft capital.

Do it only if they never step foot in a Spurs facility or wear silver and black. Take them on to bundle inbound some future picks and maybe meet the salary floor and then cut them.

I do like the idea of targeting Micic, that seems like a perfect Spursy fit/type move.

Wow, I 'd love Conley on that team, he's a perfect fit to set things up for and around Wemby and still is a very valuable player on top of a nice guy who would be perfect to mentor the kids... I mean give me Conley over Micic (who might barely be an NBA player) any day.

There's a huge bust probability with Micic and I don't see any reason why the spurs would be interesting to take that risk... Micic isn't a starter in the NBA, and maybe not even a back up... He would already be here and I do'nt know, outside of Sabonis for political reasons, how many euro players succeeded coming in the NBA at 29, or just after 25 (Manu was almost 20 years ago in a different era). I wouldn't touch Micic, and if he shows he belongs, good for him but he's not the guy to run that spurs team, with zero NBA experience and behind an already average PG in Tre...

[JPB]

Godam I hate when my posts are full of typos.

[RC_Drunkford]

and here we go. We should be able to help Miami out here



According to two sources, the Heat has been giving thought to potentially using the waive-and-stretch provision on Lowry if Miami is unable to trade him, (https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article276659416.html) though a firm decision on that has not been made. That waive-and-stretch mechanism would allocate his remaining cap hit equally over three seasons.
– via Miami Herald (https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article276659416.html)

[spurraider21]

and here we go. We should be able to help Miami out here
this is probably my ideal scenario at this point. still disappointed we didnt wind up with a PG in the draft. id take a protected future pick swap

[RC_Drunkford]

Adding Lowry and Valanciunas would be a pretty good offseason tbh. Both are on expiring deals and can shoot 3s, so they would help our spacing. We'd reach the salary floor easily and still have flexibility next offseason. And they are both still good enough to help our team be competitive.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Bring back Danny Green!

[kobyz]

Bring back Danny Green!
As assistant coach please!

[Seventyniner]

Adding Lowry and Valanciunas would be a pretty good offseason tbh. Both are on expiring deals and can shoot 3s, so they would help our spacing. We'd reach the salary floor easily and still have flexibility next offseason. And they are both still good enough to help our team be competitive.

Those are good targets for the short term. Neither is a free agent, though, and the Spurs don't have enough salary cap space to absorb both straight up.

In fact, Spotrac shows the Spurs as being $4.4M over the cap. This includes cap holds of $17M for Langford and $2M for Dieng; renouncing them gives the Spurs $14.6M in cap space. Not quite enough to absorb Valanciunas ($15.4M), though waiving KBD gets the Spurs another $2M, and nowhere close to enough to absorb Lowry.

[spurraider21]

Those are good targets for the short term. Neither is a free agent, though, and the Spurs don't have enough salary cap space to absorb both straight up.

In fact, Spotrac shows the Spurs as being $4.4M over the cap. This includes cap holds of $17M for Langford and $2M for Dieng; renouncing them gives the Spurs $14.6M in cap space. Not quite enough to absorb Valanciunas ($15.4M), though waiving KBD gets the Spurs another $2M, and nowhere close to enough to absorb Lowry.
even with all the cap holds, spotrac shows the spurs having over 6 mil in cap space, dno where you are seeing 4.4 over

https://i.gyazo.com/b5eddbf406528ae9300141943daa902d.png

about 12 mil of the cap holds are attributable to wemby. currently signed players + wemby gets us to about 96 mil, leaving about 40 in space. we'd basically just have to send Birch out in one of the deals. im sure miami would prefer to take on and waive birch than stretch lowry

[Seventyniner]

even with all the cap holds, spotrac shows the spurs having over 6 mil in cap space, dno where you are seeing 4.4 over

about 12 mil of the cap holds are attributable to wemby. currently signed players + wemby gets us to about 96 mil, leaving about 40 in space. we'd basically just have to send Birch out in one of the deals. im sure miami would prefer to take on and waive birch than stretch lowry

I got it from this site. It shows Cap Space of -$4.426,064, with Cap Holds of $56,268,085.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/yearly/cap/

Their Active Roster Cap and Dead Money numbers match yours, I don't know why the Cap Holds are different.

[spurraider21]

I got it from this site. It shows Cap Space of -$4.426,064, with Cap Holds of $56,268,085.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/yearly/cap/

Their Active Roster Cap and Dead Money numbers match yours, I don't know why the Cap Holds are different.
thats interesting, since i was using spotrac too from this link

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/cap/

just doing a quick tally on the calculator, it looks like they basically added wrong on the page you are looking at when they come up with the 56 total. i manually added the cap holds on the page you linked and it only reaches 44 (doesnt include empty roster spot hold)

[RC_Drunkford]

Those are good targets for the short term. Neither is a free agent, though, and the Spurs don't have enough salary cap space to absorb both straight up.

In fact, Spotrac shows the Spurs as being $4.4M over the cap. This includes cap holds of $17M for Langford and $2M for Dieng; renouncing them gives the Spurs $14.6M in cap space. Not quite enough to absorb Valanciunas ($15.4M), though waiving KBD gets the Spurs another $2M, and nowhere close to enough to absorb Lowry.

you're wrong, the Spurs can easily absorb up to 37 million

[slick'81]

If the spurs can upgrade from tre they most definitely will

[CGD]

Feel like it’s unusually quite on the rumors front for this time of year, no? Maybe it was the flurry of pretrade dealings.

[Mr. Body]

Feel like it’s unusually quite on the rumors front for this time of year, no? Maybe it was the flurry of pretrade dealings.

Last year was a circus with Kyrie and Durant. No one really cares that much about Damien Lillard or Portland and there aren't any other big names available.

[rjv]

it's going to be pretty tame free agency

[Seventyniner]

thats interesting, since i was using spotrac too from this link

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/cap/

just doing a quick tally on the calculator, it looks like they basically added wrong on the page you are looking at when they come up with the 56 total. i manually added the cap holds on the page you linked and it only reaches 44 (doesnt include empty roster spot hold)

You're right, manually adding up the cap holds gives $44.1M. My guess is that they're double-counting Wemby.

[Seventyniner]

you're wrong, the Spurs can easily absorb up to 37 million

Using Spotrac's data, I see:

10 players under contract for a total of $79.8M
$4.3M of dead money for Primo
$44.1M worth of cap holds (including $12.1M for Wemby)


Langford's cap hold is $16.9M and Dieng's is $2.0M. They will be renounced, bringing the cap holds down to $25.2M, and total team salary to $109.3M for 11 players. This is $26.7M under the cap (actually a bit less due to one roster slot charge? or do cap hold FAs count as full roster spots?).

That's not quite enough to absorb Lowry's $29.7M contract outright but enough to take him in return for Birch. The Spurs could open up more room by renouncing Tre ($5.22M), Mamu ($2.19M), KBD ($2.02M), Barlow ($1.80M), or Champagnie ($1.80M) but imo none of them are worth renouncing for that small amount of cap room, maybe KBD. Renouncing everyone brings cap space up to $40M but severely limits the Spurs' flexibility to fill out the roster.

I had said $14.7M before but that's because I trusted Spotrac's overall cap hold number of $56.3M which is incorrect, meaning I was low by about $12M.

[RC_Drunkford]

I'm not sure about that, but can't they sign Wemby, after taking on the contract and thus go over the cap? Even if we ship Birch out, that would help the Heat a lot

[Seventyniner]

I'm not sure about that, but can't they sign Wemby, after taking on the contract and thus go over the cap? Even if we ship Birch out, that would help the Heat a lot

Wemby's cap hold of $12,158,760 is exactly equal to 120% of the 2023-2024 rookie scale $10,132,300 for the #1 pick. That draft pick cap hold exists exactly to prevent the scenario you are talking about.

Basically Wemby will count $12,158,760 towards the cap no matter when he actually signs the contract.

[MultiTroll]

Source - Donte DiVincenzo to decline option, enter free agency - ESPN (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/37924598/source-donte-divincenzo-decline-option-enter-free-agency)

If he is really doing to fully detransition from being a Warrior could be good.
He showed promise last year.

[Chinook]

Using Spotrac's data, I see:

10 players under contract for a total of $79.8M
$4.3M of dead money for Primo
$44.1M worth of cap holds (including $12.1M for Wemby)


Langford's cap hold is $16.9M and Dieng's is $2.0M. They will be renounced, bringing the cap holds down to $25.2M, and total team salary to $109.3M for 11 players. This is $26.7M under the cap (actually a bit less due to one roster slot charge? or do cap hold FAs count as full roster spots?).

That's not quite enough to absorb Lowry's $29.7M contract outright but enough to take him in return for Birch. The Spurs could open up more room by renouncing Tre ($5.22M), Mamu ($2.19M), KBD ($2.02M), Barlow ($1.80M), or Champagnie ($1.80M) but imo none of them are worth renouncing for that small amount of cap room, maybe KBD. Renouncing everyone brings cap space up to $40M but severely limits the Spurs' flexibility to fill out the roster.

I had said $14.7M before but that's because I trusted Spotrac's overall cap hold number of $56.3M which is incorrect, meaning I was low by about $12M.

Roster charges are just cap holds to get the contracts/holds number up to 12. Regular holds for free agents do count toward the 12.

An alternative to renouncing Champ or Barlow is signing them to two-way deals. Doing that removes their cap hold, as two-way guys don't count against the salary.

If they're both bringing in Lowry and intending on keeping Jones, they should have Graham go out instead of Birch. That should give them enough salary space.

Paying a team like Houston to take Birch is also an alternative. The team has plenty of seconds to get it done. Unlike SA, Houston doesn't have a lot of seconds and could probably use them for other deals. The new NBA allows for the Spurs to trade Birch for up to twice is salary in returning salary. That's not quite enough to get Val, and the team doesn't have any contract other than Bassey to get the salary over the hump. If they were willing to trade Charles with Khem,though, they could trade for up to $17.24 Million.

Also don't discount the idea of renouncing KBD and or the others to bring them back with the room exception. Bates-Diop in particular is unrestricted, so his hold doesn't mean a ton.

I don't know how I feel about the plan to bring in Lowry and Valanciunas. I don't think the upside of Lowry makes it worth the sacrifice to bring in his salary. Val is fine, just not my first choice. Trading deep-bench centers for him makes him much more tempting, though.

[Mr. Body]

Roster charges are just cap holds to get the contracts/holds number up to 12. Regular holds for free agents do count toward the 12.

An alternative to renouncing Champ or Barlow is signing them to two-way deals. Doing that removes their cap hold, as two-way guys don't count against the salary.

If they're both bringing in Lowry and intending on keeping Jones, they should have Graham go out instead of Birch. That should give them enough salary space.

Paying a team like Houston to take Birch is also an alternative. The team has plenty of seconds to get it done. Unlike SA, Houston doesn't have a lot of seconds and could probably use them for other deals. The new NBA allows for the Spurs to trade Birch for up to twice is salary in returning salary. That's not quite enough to get Val, and the team doesn't have any contract other than Bassey to get the salary over the hump. If they were willing to trade Charles with Khem,though, they could trade for up to $17.24 Million.

Also don't discount the idea of renouncing KBD and or the others to bring them back with the room exception. Bates-Diop in particular is unrestricted, so his hold doesn't mean a ton.

I don't know how I feel about the plan to bring in Lowry and Valanciunas. I don't think the upside of Lowry makes it worth the sacrifice to bring in his salary. Val is fine, just not my first choice. Trading deep-bench centers for him makes him much more tempting, though.

Good stuff. Lowry is only interesting if Miami is giving assets as a salary dump. That he's useful to the Spurs is just a help. I think they'll find something else to do with him though.

Valanciunas will only be traded, I feel, in a deal to get a different kind of center for Pelicans and I don't see that happening. I would be interested in possibly signing him next summer as a FA but that depends on other things. As mentioned, dude is 30 and is looking for one of his last contracts so, despite being a trooper, probably doesn't care to be a backup right now.

[spurraider21]

Roster charges are just cap holds to get the contracts/holds number up to 12. Regular holds for free agents do count toward the 12.

An alternative to renouncing Champ or Barlow is signing them to two-way deals. Doing that removes their cap hold, as two-way guys don't count against the salary.

If they're both bringing in Lowry and intending on keeping Jones, they should have Graham go out instead of Birch. That should give them enough salary space.

Paying a team like Houston to take Birch is also an alternative. The team has plenty of seconds to get it done. Unlike SA, Houston doesn't have a lot of seconds and could probably use them for other deals. The new NBA allows for the Spurs to trade Birch for up to twice is salary in returning salary. That's not quite enough to get Val, and the team doesn't have any contract other than Bassey to get the salary over the hump. If they were willing to trade Charles with Khem,though, they could trade for up to $17.24 Million.

Also don't discount the idea of renouncing KBD and or the others to bring them back with the room exception. Bates-Diop in particular is unrestricted, so his hold doesn't mean a ton.

I don't know how I feel about the plan to bring in Lowry and Valanciunas. I don't think the upside of Lowry makes it worth the sacrifice to bring in his salary. Val is fine, just not my first choice. Trading deep-bench centers for him makes him much more tempting, though.
the lowry route is appealing to me if the plan is to move off of Tre and let him sign the multiyear deal he wants elsewhere. gives us a competent floor as a player who should fit in well with the cast we have. be a solid bridge PG to allow a proper evaluation of our other guys. its also kinda dependent on whether miami is open do that kind of dump, ie they send over Lowry instead of stretching him, in addition to some compensation (whether it be more SRP's, or maybe something like a future pick swap), and we send back Birch

[Chinook]

the lowry route is appealing to me if the plan is to move off of Tre and let him sign the multiyear deal he wants elsewhere. gives us a competent floor as a player who should fit in well with the cast we have. be a solid bridge PG to allow a proper evaluation of our other guys. its also kinda dependent on whether miami is open do that kind of dump, ie they send over Lowry instead of stretching him, in addition to some compensation (whether it be more SRP's, or maybe something like a future pick swap), and we send back Birch

Well as a mentioned, if it's Lowry instead of Jones, then you can remove Jones' hold from the salary. It should be possible between renouncing Jones and KBD and making the other moves I mentioned, to get Lowry to fit in cap space, removing the need to add Birch to the deal. I know it sounds tempting to add him in anyway, but the Spurs would be an over-the-cap team immediately after this trade and would get value out of a mid-sized expiring deal that's being partially paid by insurance. If they are going to make vet-oriented moves in at other positions, they should avoid tossing away those pieces.

[spurraider21]

Well as a mentioned, if it's Lowry instead of Jones, then you can remove Jones' hold from the salary. It should be possible between renouncing Jones and KBD and making the other moves I mentioned, to get Lowry to fit in cap space, removing the need to add Birch to the deal. I know it sounds tempting to add him in anyway, but the Spurs would be an over-the-cap team immediately after this trade and would get value out of a mid-sized expiring deal that's being partially paid by insurance. If they are going to make vet-oriented moves in at other positions, they should avoid tossing away those pieces.
we'd have to move Birch if the plan was to acquire Lowry + Jonas, i think

i dont think Valanciunas is the best course of action personally, but he fits the mold of what they seem to want alongside wemby

[CGD]

Good stuff. Lowry is only interesting if Miami is giving assets as a salary dump. That he's useful to the Spurs is just a help. I think they'll find something else to do with him though.

Valanciunas will only be traded, I feel, in a deal to get a different kind of center for Pelicans and I don't see that happening. I would be interested in possibly signing him next summer as a FA but that depends on other things. As mentioned, dude is 30 and is looking for one of his last contracts so, despite being a trooper, probably doesn't care to be a backup right now.

They could always get a Bamba type with part of their MLE. Plus slim pickings out there (as we’re seeing).

I think Val could be had if the spurs are willing to send out a few small assets. I’m OK with him being a one year rental honestly. He definitely starts over Collins.

[Chinook]

we'd have to move Birch if the plan was to acquire Lowry + Jonas, i think

i dont think Valanciunas is the best course of action personally, but he fits the mold of what they seem to want alongside wemby

I still haven't done the math, but I don't know that the Spurs can get Val with cap space even after the renouncements. If that's true, then they would need matching salary for Val, and Birch would be a huge part of that. Otherwise, we're talking about S&Ting Tre, which feels less certain.

[CGD]

Fyi, looks like the Capulator has finally been updated for the Spurs as of today.

https://www.shamsports.com/capulator

[Mr. Body]

Still would be up to bringing Josh Richardson back. I don't think there's going to be a huge market for him, he's a good dude, knows the team, can handle ballhandling duties and will shoot. Get him on a two year contract if he's up for it.

[playblair]

bobby marks says lillard to spurs

http://youtu.be/jOPE_MEYaVc

[CGD]

^ Hell no

[mo7888]

bobby marks says lillard to spurs

http://youtu.be/jOPE_MEYaVc

I've got a friend in Malibu who keeps telling me how good he thinks adding Dame would be. Personally, I'm not in favor of going that route, but hypothetically what would a Package look like?

Graham + Birch + 4 1st's is competitive with what would probably be Miami's opening bid?

[CGD]

I've got a friend in Malibu who keeps telling me how good he thinks adding Dame would be. Personally, I'm not in favor of going that route, but hypothetically what would a Package look like?

I think it’ll cost at least both ATL picks, one of the TOR/CHI pick, and a young player. Don’t think Nets or Miami could top that.

Not fan of going for Dame.

[Extra Stout]

Dame doesn’t fit the timeline.

[mo7888]

I think it’ll cost at least both ATL picks, one of the TOR/CHI pick, and a young player. Don’t think Nets or Miami could top that.

Not fan of going for Dame.

Sounds reasonable as pertaining to pricing..

[Joseph Kony]

Trading for a 33 year old PG who will be making 64 million at 36 years old makes zero sense

[Ice009]

Even if the Spurs wanted Dame, wouldn't he likely not want to go to a team that isn't a contender yet? In other words, wouldn't he likely nix the trade, or do you think he's be receptive to SA?

Edit : As others have also mentioned, his salary is going to be very high for someone his age that doesn't really fit the timeline. Not sure how interested the Spurs would be in that? Not very is my opinion.

[CGD]

Even if the Spurs wanted Dame, wouldn't he likely not want to go to a team that isn't a contender yet? In other words, wouldn't he likely nix the trade, or do you think he's be receptive to SA?

Exactly. That’s the whole standoff in Portland, lol.

[playblair]

Even if the Spurs wanted Dame, wouldn't he likely not want to go to a team that isn't a contender yet? In other words, wouldn't he likely nix the trade, or do you think he's be receptive to SA? As others have also mentioned, his salary is going to be very high for someone his age that doesn't really fit the timeline. Not sure how interested the Spurs would be in that?
he tweeted he wanted to play with wembanyama.......

[Ice009]

he tweeted he wanted to play with wembanyama.......

How long ago was the tweet? Very recent, or a while back?

[Mr. Body]

I've got a friend in Malibu who keeps telling me how good he thinks adding Dame would be. Personally, I'm not in favor of going that route, but hypothetically what would a Package look like?

Graham + Birch + 4 1st's is competitive with what would probably be Miami's opening bid?

Not going to happen, but for discussion purposes... I don't think Miami can offer much. Duncan Robinson + Tyler Herro, two FRPs and a swap. I think I've seen that on their subreddit. Or Lowry instead of Robinson.

The Spurs aren't offering a Herro type player but he's not seen as a great asset given a very reduced range of effectiveness and terrible defense. Robinson is straight up a bad contract. I don't think the Spurs would have to offer four picks to beat that.

[cd98]

Lillard is a 32 year old point guard. He turns 33 next month. What is the track record for 33 year old, 6’2 point guards? I don’t doubt he can be great for two years. But after that, he’ll decline and you wont be able to trade him down the road for half of what you pay to get him now.

Is giving up Vassel or Sochan and a bunch of first round draft picks worth 2 years of solid to great play? I’m not convinced SA gets that much better with Wemby in year 1.

[KobesAchilles]

I mean timeline doesn’t really matter. We need an older guy who can play anyways and 33 isn’t that old. Y’all timeline guys are hilarious. If we supposedly already have other young talent alongside with Wemby, we don’t need more young talent. You can’t have an entire fucking team of people 23 and younger.

Lillard is in his prime and he is a great shooter. It solves the spacing issue almost immediately in the starting line up. Lillard can also break down a defense, create his own shot and for others, plus hit big shots. He is bad defensively but Pg defense is some of the most overrated shit ever. Mookie Blaylock might’ve been a top 3 PG defender of all time, he wasn’t very good. You also only need to offer 3 picks since Miami can’t offer more than two. He is an upgrade for sure

That being said, that contract is beyond awful when he’s 37. 60 fucking million dollars for him is gross. It basically means we have one shit year during Wembys prime. I don’t think that’s worth it. But it does put us in the WCF conversation. Avoid Denver and we can hang with anybody. It’s not enough for a championship though unless Wemby does come out like Duncan in which case this is a no brainer. Otherwise I pass

[mo7888]

Not going to happen, but for discussion purposes... I don't think Miami can offer much. Duncan Robinson + Tyler Herro, two FRPs and a swap. I think I've seen that on their subreddit. Or Lowry instead of Robinson.

The Spurs aren't offering a Herro type player but he's not seen as a great asset given a very reduced range of effectiveness and terrible defense. Robinson is straight up a bad contract. I don't think the Spurs would have to offer four picks to beat that.

I don't think its going to happen either, nor do i think that it should, but i do think little pump pieces like Marks just ran highlight the fact that we can compete with anybody if someone we do want becomes available.

[lmbebo]

Bobby Marks using the short term thinking that has gotten so many teams/GMs in trouble.

[td4mvp2k]

Bobby Marks using the short term thinking that has gotten so many teams/GMs in trouble.
nba and outside media wants to see that with wemby but good thing spurs dont operate like that.

[mo7888]

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[Extra Stout]

I mean timeline doesn’t really matter. We need an older guy who can play anyways and 33 isn’t that old. Y’all timeline guys are hilarious. If we supposedly already have other young talent alongside with Wemby, we don’t need more young talent. You can’t have an entire fucking team of people 23 and younger.

Lillard is in his prime and he is a great shooter. It solves the spacing issue almost immediately in the starting line up. Lillard can also break down a defense, create his own shot and for others, plus hit big shots. He is bad defensively but Pg defense is some of the most overrated shit ever. Mookie Blaylock might’ve been a top 3 PG defender of all time, he wasn’t very good. You also only need to offer 3 picks since Miami can’t offer more than two. He is an upgrade for sure

That being said, that contract is beyond awful when he’s 37. 60 fucking million dollars for him is gross. It basically means we have one shit year during Wembys prime. I don’t think that’s worth it. But it does put us in the WCF conversation. Avoid Denver and we can hang with anybody. It’s not enough for a championship though unless Wemby does come out like Duncan in which case this is a no brainer. Otherwise I pass
Yes, timeline matters. By the time Wemby is ready to dominate starting in his third year, Lillard will be 35+ and on the downslope. Who cares what he can do now at age 33? Why completely fuck over the Spurs’ roster in the latter half of the 2020’s paying $60+ million to Dame’s corpse just so the Spurs can go 45-37 next year?

[rankingtear]

Dame is fucking good but 2 years too early. The plan is to take pressure off of Wemby from unrealistic expectations by doing a low key rebuild until he is ready to win. They would throw out there that they are trying to get guys but would offer little.

[Chinook]

Lillard is such a grifter. The only player I'd want on my team less than him is Harden. No idea why so many folks like him. Is it just because they were so burned by Kawhi that they'd fall for a charlatan rambling on about loyalty while hamstringing his front office and gaslighting his fanbase? I have no problem with the Spurs acquiring an old star to help guide Wemby ala David for Tim. But they could do better than Dame simply by doing nothing.

[ace3g]

Michael Scotto MikeAScotto
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Milwaukee Bucks guard Jevon Carter will decline his $2.24 million player option for the 2023-24 season and become an unrestricted free agent, a league source told @hoopshype (https://twitter.com/hoopshype/). Carter, a strong defender, shot 42.1 percent from 3-point range in 81 regular-season games played.

[ace3g]

As was expected.


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Los Angeles Lakers LAKERS
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OFFICIAL: The Lakers extended qualifying offers to Rui Hachimura and Austin Reaves. As a result of the qualifying offers, Hachimura and Reaves become restricted free agents.

[urunobili]

DiVicenzo opted out. Any takers?

[Chinook]

If the Spurs did intend to make a big trade, they could make it on this side of new league year and thus go into next season as an over-the-cap team with the MLE and all their roster holds in tow rather than playing the cap space game with only the room exception to help out. If they have any intention of going after Lowry, Simons or Valanciunas, it might behoove them to put pressure on those teams now to avoid missing out on flexibility.

Another idea for dealing with their center depth is to try to get Dallas to dump McGee on them. Javale has had an interesting career, and he's pretty old at this point. But he was really good in Phoenix. His salary is big enough to where I'd want Dallas to pay SA to take it, but I'm not sure there is any payment Dallas has to offer at this point. In general I would be interested in the Spurs pursuing key players from recent Finals teams who could be attainable without breaking the bank. I've talked about Lopez, and everyone else has talked about Lowry. Middleton, Holiday and Brogdan are also options. He doesn't seem to be on any type of market, but Kevon Looney is another guy to keep an eye on. Thankfully Draymond doesn't fit that mold. McGee does, if he can still get it done. Are guys like Carter or diVincenzo options? I don't know. That's getting pretty far down the list.

[scott]

Dame seems like the kind of guy who will still be ballin’ at 37 years old… but not a $60MM level of ballin’.

[RC_Drunkford]

Trading for Dame is the best way to burn all your assets. Doesnt make sense with his contract and him being 33. If the Spurs bring in a star it‘s best to do it via free agency or by trading draft picks only for a team that wants to go into a rebuild. Right now I don’t see any options, but we don’t need that player this season

[Spursfanfromafar]

One target who would come for relatively inexpensive value would be Donte DiVincenzo who just opted out from Golden State. A good player who is competent at both ends of the floor and would be a very good backup to Vassell. He can be the immediate Romeo Langford replacement and could push Branham to be more competitive.

[intlspurshk]

Would rather making an offer to Austin Reeves first and fk the Lakers cap room if they match

[Spursfanfromafar]

Reaves was very good for the Lakers in the playoffs. But DiVincenzo, I think, is more rounded. And a perfect 3rd/ 4th option on offense and a very good defensive guard with high IQ. Besides, I think ..to pry out Reaves ..the Spurs would have to backload his contract (poison pill? or some such). Needn't do that for DiVincenzo.

[Obstructed_View]

Would rather making an offer to Austin Reeves first and fk the Lakers cap room if they match

Only a good idea to do that during a year where you don't mind having the money tied up. You make a QO and the team waits until all the free agents are gone to match. Maybe this is that year for the Spurs.

[JPB]

I mean timeline doesn’t really matter. We need an older guy who can play anyways and 33 isn’t that old. Y’all timeline guys are hilarious. If we supposedly already have other young talent alongside with Wemby, we don’t need more young talent. You can’t have an entire fucking team of people 23 and younger.

Lillard is in his prime and he is a great shooter. It solves the spacing issue almost immediately in the starting line up. Lillard can also break down a defense, create his own shot and for others, plus hit big shots. He is bad defensively but Pg defense is some of the most overrated shit ever. Mookie Blaylock might’ve been a top 3 PG defender of all time, he wasn’t very good. You also only need to offer 3 picks since Miami can’t offer more than two. He is an upgrade for sure

That being said, that contract is beyond awful when he’s 37. 60 fucking million dollars for him is gross. It basically means we have one shit year during Wembys prime. I don’t think that’s worth it. But it does put us in the WCF conversation. Avoid Denver and we can hang with anybody. It’s not enough for a championship though unless Wemby does come out like Duncan in which case this is a no brainer. Otherwise I pass

Timeline is everything for a GM... Spurs are not gonna jeoperdize their future and lose most of their best assets for maybe 2 good years of a 6"2 Lillard who never really did aynthing in the NBA than stat pad.. That does't make sense, spurs are not gonna ring in that span and you don't get your assets back at the end...

[Big Empty]

Timeline is everything for a GM... Spurs are not gonna jeoperdize their future and lose most of their best assets for maybe 2 good years of a 6"2 Lillard who never really did aynthing in the NBA than stat pad.. That does't make sense, spurs are not gonna ring in that span and you don't get your assets back at the end...
100% $55 million, tied up for a few years for and older 6’2 pg, insurance FRPs gone incase Wemby gets hurt…NOPE

[cutewizard]

Is Jevon Carter good.?

[LeBowen]

Is Jevon Carter good.?

Poor man's Patty Mills.

[rankingtear]

Is Jevon Carter good.?

Poor man's pat bev.

[couchman]

I wish Reaves was more of a possibility.
He’ll be a heck of a PG for a while in this league.
Dillard won’t happen for a lot of obvious reasons

[KobesAchilles]

Yes, timeline matters. By the time Wemby is ready to dominate starting in his third year, Lillard will be 35+ and on the downslope. Who cares what he can do now at age 33? Why completely fuck over the Spurs’ roster in the latter half of the 2020’s paying $60+ million to Dame’s corpse just so the Spurs can go 45-37 next year?
you literally said exactly what I said. Nice job.

When I mean timeline doesn’t matter, I meant it as age of players don’t matter. Like people saying Klay doesn’t fit the timeline. Or CP3 doesn’t fit the timeline. We are going to have to have older vets on the team regardless. They might as well be good while we are at it bc our youth isn’t very good. They aren’t bad. But they aren’t good yet either. Having proven commodities helps us as a team and a locker room.

And when a young player is ready for a trade then Spurstalk shits on them saying they are losers. KAT is ready for a trade. Spurstalk: “he’s a loser.” Randle will be up for a trade soon. Spurstalk: he’s a loser. Meanwhile we have a team that went 22-60 and yet everyone of our youth is a winner, going to be an all star, underrated, arnt as bad as their record, and whatever other bs you want. So older proven commodities “don’t fit our timeline.” Younger unproven commodities (who are still all stars) are losers that we shouldn’t want. And our players who led us to our worst record ever (maybe 2nd worst) never made an all star team, have a buncha flaws to them, are the baby bear porridge of the lot. Gotcha

[rjv]

some of them aren't just losers though. KAT, for instance, would be a terrible fit for this squad.

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/RealGM/status/1674084305906151426

[Leetonidas]

https://twitter.com/RealGM/status/1674084305906151426

Lmao. Poverty franchise

[John B]

Is Jevon Carter good.?

We already have Tre at backup PG

[kobyz]

Is Jevon Carter good.?

Tre Jones with elite 3 point shot

[Extra Stout]

you literally said exactly what I said. Nice job.

When I mean timeline doesn’t matter, I meant it as age of players don’t matter. Like people saying Klay doesn’t fit the timeline. Or CP3 doesn’t fit the timeline. We are going to have to have older vets on the team regardless. They might as well be good while we are at it bc our youth isn’t very good. They aren’t bad. But they aren’t good yet either. Having proven commodities helps us as a team and a locker room.
Timeline as in if this were 2025 or 2026, trading for a 33-year-old veteran All-Star whose contract is going to suck in two years might be worth it because there’s a chance to win a championship or two.


And when a young player is ready for a trade then Spurstalk shits on them saying they are losers. KAT is ready for a trade. Spurstalk: “he’s a loser.” Randle will be up for a trade soon. Spurstalk: he’s a loser. Meanwhile we have a team that went 22-60 and yet everyone of our youth is a winner, going to be an all star, underrated, arnt as bad as their record, and whatever other bs you want. So older proven commodities “don’t fit our timeline.” Younger unproven commodities (who are still all stars) are losers that we shouldn’t want. And our players who led us to our worst record ever (maybe 2nd worst) never made an all star team, have a buncha flaws to them, are the baby bear porridge of the lot. Gotcha
It’s a homer forum, what can I say. All rotation players are future All-Stars, all marginal players are diamonds in the rough, and every other team’s players suck, at least until the Spurs acquire them, at which point they are great.

Also, every other team’s forums that do the exact same things are full of irrational idiots for us to laugh at.

[rjv]

Timeline as in if this were 2025 or 2026, trading for a 33-year-old veteran All-Star whose contract is going to suck in two years might be worth it because there’s a chance to win a championship or two.


It’s a homer forum, what can I say. All rotation players are future All-Stars, all marginal players are diamonds in the rough, and every other team’s players suck, at least until the Spurs acquire them, at which point they are great.

Also, every other team’s forums that do the exact same things are full of irrational idiots for us to laugh at.

ST can very much be a homer's forum but it also has more than it's fair share of contrarians.

[spurraider21]

We already have Tre at backup PG
well, we dont. he's a free agent. and if signed, will again be the presumptive starter. i dont think the gap between them is significant at all. if its true that Tre is expecting something in the 4/45 range or more than that, then i'd of course explore alternatives who would come on better deals.

[Obstructed_View]

https://twitter.com/RealGM/status/1674084305906151426
Lol so awesome.

[spurraider21]

vanvleet from a few years ago was a very good player. but even that version isn't worth 40+ mil per year, let alone the version we've seen the last 2 seasons. rox are banking on a bounceback and then some if thats the case

then again, 2 years isnt long at all, and the rockets core guys arent going to be due for big money in that window anyway. still, seems like a weird place to blow that much of your league leading cap space

[Atl Spur]

https://twitter.com/RealGM/status/1674084305906151426

Prob a 1 year deal with team option 2nd year.

[Extra Stout]

Since there now are penalties for failing to reach the salary floor, overpaying on short-team deals can be a savvy move.

[Mr. Body]

Why would you pay FVV $40 million to shoot the ball for the Rockets when everyone else is already shooting the ball?

[cutewizard]

Pathetic Rockets

[spurraider21]

Why would you pay FVV $40 million to shoot the ball for the Rockets when everyone else is already shooting the ball?
because he can also be a reasonable distributor who has a history of being a plus defender, even though that hasnt been the case in the last year or two

even if everything goes right he's not worth that number, but hes not just some blind chucker (usually)

[BacktoBasics]

This isn’t as bad as people make it out to be if it’s a two year deal. They gotta use the money somehow and they’re looking to at least push for the playin.

But since it’s ST I’ll reiterate that he’s definitely not worth 40 million a year and I’m in no way expressing or implying that he’s a good signing.

[Mr. Body]

Someone should put a reel together of Eric Gordon looking absolutely beyond frustrated playing for the Rockets last year and send it to Fred.

[spurraider21]

Someone should put a reel together of Eric Gordon looking absolutely beyond frustrated playing for the Rockets last year and send it to Fred.
i dont want to dissuade him from signing there :lol

[Mr. Body]

Eric Gordon is a FA, btw.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Tre Jones with elite 3 point shot
https://avatanplus.com/files/resources/original/5e1b2b92a90a616f9a223504.png

[KobesAchilles]

A team that I’m going to be taking a hard look at is NO. They are one Zion injury away from trading either him, CJ, or Ingram away.

Tbh the entirety of the west is potentially one giant fire sale waiting to happen. Next offseason the Grizz might be willing to trade Adams if they can’t come up with a contract negotiation. The warriors might let Klay walk. PG13 or Kawhi might be available. KAT I think gets traded in February but by next offseason at the latest. Ayton is available now but he might just cost a few second rounders next offseason. And that’s just the west.

The cavs, knicks, and Raptors all are potential trade partners next offseason. That’s why I think we needed to add CP3 since he gets us to the floor and was on a one year deal. I really don’t want multiple year deals. We could sign a guy or trade for a guy very easily next offseason

As it is, I see 2 playoff spots up for grabs (Minn and Mem) and 3 teams fighting for them. OKC, Dallas, and us. It’s gonna be a dogfight to get that 8th seed. Would help if Kyrie just continues to be Kyrie :lol

[BatManu20]

Bulls extending Nikola Vucevic. So much for them going into a rebuild. This bodes well for that 2025 FRP conveying for us.

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[RC_Drunkford]

Poeltl back?


Poeltl’s return at the right deal has generally been considered a given with the working assumption that a four-year deal worth something around $80 million would do the trick but things can happen and there are few discounts offered in the NBA.Multiple league sources have said the San Antonio Spurs have inquired about the possibility of a reunion with Poeltl as a veteran centre alongside No. 1 pick Victor Wembanyama, who they project as a stretch four, at least on offence (https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/raptors-focused-on-re-signing-vanvleet-and-poeltl-but-challenges-remain/).

4 hours ago (https://hoopshype.com/rumor/2158944/) – via Michael Grange @ SportsNet (https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/raptors-focused-on-re-signing-vanvleet-and-poeltl-but-challenges-remain/)

[spurraider21]

pretty reasonable deal for vuc all things considered

[exstatic]

Why would you pay FVV $40 million to shoot the ball for the Rockets when everyone else is already shooting the ball?

Shhhhhhhhhhhh!

[TrainOfThought5]

Poeltl back?

this is the EXACT news I want to hear. Now we just need a Spursy PG. How much would it cost to trade for Derrick White?

dark horse D Garland in Cleveland?

[John B]

Poeltl back?

I wasn’t a huge fan of Poeltl but I’n not totally against a reunion. I always wanted to see Poeltl play beside a big man, and last season he didn’t really get a lot of run with Sochan on injury, and by the time he’s already traded. Although what will happen to Collins development at Starting C?

[intlspurshk]

No way to sign Poelti and money should be spent on scorers like Austin. Even trading for remaining contracts for Ben Simmon plus Net’s FRP or resigning Josh Richardson for 2 years could be considered. Poelti gives you good but not great improvements only

[Degoat]

I think the spurs are big believers in Zach Collins and wouldn’t sign a free agent who would start over him like a Jakob or Brook Lopez.

I think they’ll target a Thomas Bryant, Dwight Powell guy. Underwhelming signing just like the spurs like it lol

[RC_Drunkford]

One thing about Poeltl he would rebound the hell out of the ball on the offensive glass. Especially with Wemby drawing the big man out of the paint. With that being said, I still think Zach Collins is the better fit next to Wemby, cause he's more mobile and way better offensively. Having all 3 in the rotation would be a nice problem to have though.

[spurraider21]

No way to sign Poelti and money should be spent on scorers like Austin. Even trading for remaining contracts for Ben Simmon plus Net’s FRP or resigning Josh Richardson for 2 years could be considered. Poelti gives you good but not great improvements only
nets arent gonna trade simmons. maybe next year.

[mo7888]

Someone should put a reel together of Eric Gordon looking absolutely beyond frustrated playing for the Rockets last year and send it to Fred.

Absolutely not.... It's on our interest for FVF to go to Houston for $40M/year.... just let it happen...

[T Park]

No way to sign Poelti and money should be spent on scorers like Austin. Even trading for remaining contracts for Ben Simmon plus Net’s FRP or resigning Josh Richardson for 2 years could be considered. Poelti gives you good but not great improvements only

Ben Simmons? are you nuts?

[RC_Drunkford]

Absolutely not.... It's on our interest for FVF to go to Houston for $40M/year.... just let it happen...

they should sign him for 4 years tbh

[BatManu20]

San Antonio kid hitting the FA market.

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[spurraider21]

Chinook's favorite player :lol

[Chinook]

He has managed to stop being on the very worst players in the NBA, but for a while it was awful. That extension he signed last year was very weird. Glad the Spurs aren't in any position to get tricked into signing him.

[objective]

If Poeltl left Raptors along with VanVleet that might cost the Spurs that top 6 protected Toronto pick

[spurraider21]

If Poeltl left Raptors along with VanVleet that might cost the Spurs that top 6 protected Toronto pick
definitely puts it at risk, but also potentially makes it a lottery pick as opposed to one in the 20s

if siakam/og stay healthy, i dont think they'll completely bottom out. plus of all the guys they could have drafted, Gradey Dick is probably the most plug-and-play type to be an immediate contributor

[jesterbobman]

I think the Branham vs Reaves discussion opens up the need for a better split of promising vs good.

Branham had good moments last year, there is normally a growth pattern for young players (why, in general drafting younger dudes is smarter), and between those moments and the promise of wing (ish) sized on ball creation, he's promising. But overall, he was bad. Doesn't mean that he'll be bad forever, but he was.

Reaves was good.
For all the talk of playing off LeBron - he wasn't just a spot up shooter. The Lakers looked to him as a second side creator (and occasionally, a primary creator while LeBron rested on the bench / on the court) and he did that pretty well. He didn't win with elite athletic tools, but balance, timing / vision and the fact he's a good shooter (and, a foul hunting merchant, using timing to bait opponents like Jimmy Butler does).
For a max coming off 3 years in the league, he'd probably be overpaid. But 4 years at $100m is reasonable. He's a good player that'd help.
I'd guess the Lakers would match, but there are worse things than sending out an offer to a young player and forcing the Lakers to pay more in tax (and receive that, if/when they reach the salary floor).

[Degoat]

This Reeves talk is all for naught imo the lakers will 100% match any offer.

[kobyz]

San Antonio kid hitting the FA market.

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Surprising, he gave them some good backup minutes last year

[duncan2150]

I think the spurs are big believers in Zach Collins and wouldn’t sign a free agent who would start over him like a Jakob or Brook Lopez.

I think they’ll target a Thomas Bryant, Dwight Powell guy. Underwhelming signing just like the spurs like it lol

I'm not high on powell but why not, i may prefer jaxson hayes , bryant or plumlee could be other options.

[spurraider21]

This Reeves talk is all for naught imo the lakers will 100% match any offer.
be that it may, makes sense to sign him to an offer sheet

the max the lakers can offer him is something like 4/50. but other teams can offer him as much as 4/100, at which point the lakers can match

[cd98]

I think biggest priority is an experienced point guard. I’m thinking Spurs go all in on Van Fleet.

[RC_Drunkford]

I think biggest priority is an experienced point guard. I’m thinking Spurs go all in on Van Fleet.

the Rockets. The Rockets go all in on Van Vleet

[Kindergarten Cop]

I love the idea of bringing Poeltl back as long as Toronto acknowledges that they are moving on (it’s not worth burning any bridges or hurting our reputation throughout the league and/or with opposing FOs).

I do wonder if it were to happen if historically there has ever been another instance of a player with a matching path - drafted by Team A, traded to Team B, only to be traded back to Team A, and then immediately returning to Team B with no other stops in between. ��

[playblair]

my sources tell me tre jones is getting a 3 year deal with spurs on first day of free agency opening........

[Extra Stout]

I think biggest priority is an experienced point guard. I’m thinking Spurs go all in on Van Fleet.
Rockets signing him. 2 years, $85 million.

[Rubberducky]

Prince is from SA, he went to the same high school as me, Warren. I’ve had dinner with one of his friends a few times and he did mention to me that Prince was a Spurs fan growing up.

I’d rather he go ring chase but a vet 3 and D off the bench isn’t bad if we strike out on all other FA’s.

[CGD]

my sources tell me tre jones is getting a 3 year deal with spurs on first day of free agency opening........

Way to go out on a limb there

[Degoat]

People gonna attack me for this one but what do we think of Deangelo Russell??

[objective]

I agree that the Lakers will spend the money to match any Reaves offer.

They just paid 4+ million to swap up 7 picks in the second round with Indiana. If they're throwing that kind of money around to swap seconds then of course they're going to pay up for Reaves.

If the Spurs don't have a big signing to make them I would still like to see them do the offer sheet just to make them pay up

Anyway, in the 13 straight games without LeBron from February 28 to March 24, Reaves averaged

29.7 mpg
17.8 pts
6.0 assists
38.6% from 3 on 3.4 attempts

Lakers were 8-5

Anthony Davis missed 2 of those games, they were 1-1

In those games without Lebron and Davis, Reaves off the bench Reaves averaged 21.5 points and 5.5 assists

[spurraider21]

People gonna attack me for this one but what do we think of Deangelo Russell??
offensively he'd fit just fine. but he's a sieve on the other end and will command a salary that cant be justified

[BatManu20]

People gonna attack me for this one but what do we think of Deangelo Russell??

We think he’s staying in LA (hopefully)

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[objective]

People gonna attack me for this one but what do we think of Deangelo Russell??

Awful. Rather see Sochan at full time point guard in a jumbo starting unit

[DesignatedT]

Have a feeling the Spurs are targeting Grant Williams.

[CGD]

We think he’s staying in LA (hopefully)

1674087227624677379

Lol

[Payote75]

Have a feeling the Spurs are targeting Grant Williams.

To me Grant Williams is an outstanding target he can do it all and has a ton of experience while being young still. I'd be ok with FVF who I'm not huge on if we sign Williams so versatile and still ascending.

[td4mvp2k]

We think he’s staying in LA (hopefully)

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of course that team loves its show ponies

[Dverde]

People gonna attack me for this one but what do we think of Deangelo Russell??

He’s a clown, a talented one, but a clown that can’t be one of your highest paid players. Spurs already have Devonte Graham who has a similar skill set, but not a clown and paid much less.

[Dverde]

I also think that Tre JONES 3 for 33M deal is wrapped up. I don’t mind overpaying a little considering how underpaid he was last year.

[onechance87]

Have a feeling the Spurs are targeting Grant Williams.

Dont mind that....Force kj to step up...Or just move on from him,If williams outperforms him

[couchman]

Imagine how good our interior defense could be with Poeltl at the 5 and Wemby at the 4.
Collins off the bench would make a great 3 big rotation.

[objective]

Grant Williams scores 5 points a game in the playoffs, doesn't rebound, doesn't get blocks, doesn't get steals ...

He would become the new scapegoat and target of frustration for fans.

"We blew our caproom on a guy to get 6 points off the bench with a 10 PER? It would take adding a first rounder to get off his contract!"

[Mr. Body]

Grant Williams doesn't do anything other players on the team already do. We don't need him now and in a year we'd be like, What the hell is Grant Williams doing on this team?

He's overrated the way Boston Celtic players get overrated.

[spurraider21]

i dont see great purpose in adding grant. he almost exclusively plays the 4, which is looking like a very crowded spot right now between the mintues we expect wemby to play there, in addition to sochan. not to mention potential big lineups with zollins at the 4

[DAF86]

I think biggest priority is an experienced point guard. I’m thinking Spurs go all in on Van Fleet.

Fuck no. That's one of the worst moves possible.

[CGD]

Imagine how good our interior defense could be with Poeltl at the 5 and Wemby at the 4.
Collins off the bench would make a great 3 big rotation.

I’m definitely not opposed to bringing Jakob back.

[MannyIsGod]

Grant Williams doesn't do anything other players on the team already do. We don't need him now and in a year we'd be like, What the hell is Grant Williams doing on this team?

He's overrated the way Boston Celtic players get overrated.

Wait what? Who on the Spurs does what Grant Williams does? You can maybe make the argument Keldon somewhat, but Grant WIlliams is bigger, a better defender and a better shooter.

[dbestpro]

A veteran center who could play meaningful minutes at times and could rejuvenate under Pop? Serge Ibaka.

[mo7888]

A veteran center who could play meaningful minutes at times and could rejuvenate under Pop? Serge Ibaka.

I'm not sure 40 year old Centers can be rejuvenated...

[dbestpro]

I'm not sure 40 year old Centers can be rejuvenated...

He is 33 years young.

[objective]

Just my 2 cents, but my hoped for order of operations:

1. Offer Brook Lopez a big 2 year deal. Probably won't get him anyway.
2. If no Brook, immediately pivot to attempt to sign Reaves to his max allowable offer sheet (expect it to be matched)
3. Try to trade for Micic with a heavily protected first (top 25) that converts to 2 unremarkable seconds. Maybe 3/24, last year unguaranteed
4. Re-up Jones because there's no one else to spend money on. Hopefully no more than MLE equivalent, preferably less
5. Maybe sign either Yuta or KBD to a 1+1 starting at 5 to have more decent trade ballast
6. Take in expirings for picks
7. Roll into next season to see what's what

Not really into Poeltl coming back considering how he quit on the team and stopped trying to defend the rim

Other than Reaves I don't like the idea of tying up big money (greater than MLE) more than 2 years going out.

Then again, I loved John Collins so what do I know. Still like him and would have liked to trade for him except for his messed up hands ruining his three point shooting and that third year remaining is too much.

[mo7888]

He is 33 years young.

Is he really? Im not so sure....

[CGD]

He is 33 years young.

There have long been questions about the veracity of his birth certificate

[Ice009]

He has managed to stop being on the very worst players in the NBA, but for a while it was awful. That extension he signed last year was very weird. Glad the Spurs aren't in any position to get tricked into signing him.

Who is this that you're referring to?

As for Ibaka, is he really only 33? That is shocking? Seems like he's closer to 40. That age/birth records must be off.

[scott]

Love the fact that this board is thinking in so many different directions with no "favored path" because some of the "favored paths" of the past have been fucking terrible (John Collins, Ben Simmons, etc).

[T Park]

John Collins would still be good IMO, had he never injured that hand.

[Dverde]

Not a lot of holes in the roster assuming Tre Jones is probably coming back. They still need minutes for Branham, Vassell, Sochan to develop this year. I see the Spurs more facilitating moves for the other teams keeping flexibility for next offseason. They’ll know more how the pieces we have work with Wemby then. I think many will be disappointed with our moves.

[Mr. Body]

Wait what? Who on the Spurs does what Grant Williams does? You can maybe make the argument Keldon somewhat, but Grant WIlliams is bigger, a better defender and a better shooter.

What exactly do you think Grant Williams does? Do you think Keldon is the only player on the team?

[objective]

Can Keldon catch DNP-CDs in the playoffs to make room for Sam Hauser or Payton Pritchard?

[eDizzle20]

I like the idea of Jordan Clarkson. He’s from San Antonio. Good size for a combo guard. He can come off the bench or start and run point. There’s just not much out there for true point guards. Tre Jones will be important piece for the Spurs, and quite honestly there’s no one worth spending the bag on. While Wesley is young and still needs to develop it’s worrisome if he’s the answer at back up point guard.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNkK164j1tQ

[spurraider21]

Wemby did say that Westbrook was his favorite player...

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90GkzxVCVsQ

[CGD]

Not a lot of holes in the roster assuming Tre Jones is probably coming back. They still need minutes for Branham, Vassell, Sochan to develop this year. I see the Spurs more facilitating moves for the other teams keeping flexibility for next offseason. They’ll know more how the pieces we have work with Wemby then. I think many will be disappointed with our moves.

I think you’re generally right. I’d be very pleased if the outcome is that they acquired an asset or two by helping facilitate a salary dump or deal. I do think they’ll spend on a big tho.

[objective]

Supposedly Micic can play defense, at least according to a recent Thunder podcast about potential trades

[Payote75]

Wait what? Who on the Spurs does what Grant Williams does? You can maybe make the argument Keldon somewhat, but Grant WIlliams is bigger, a better defender and a better shooter.


Well said couldn't agree nobody on the spurs does wt Williams does at all let alone his playoff experience and youth being on his side. Grant Williams please!!!

[Mr. Body]

Supposedly Micic can play defense, at least according to a recent Thunder podcast about potential trades

Outside the Thunder bubble, he's widely described as a poor and slow defender even against European players.

[mo7888]

Supposedly Micic can play defense, at least according to a recent Thunder podcast about potential trades

I'm for trading a couple 2nd's for him and signing him for about $8M/yr, but lets not pretend he's a defensive plus. You have to play a couple rim protectors behind him to cover for deficiencies there and we can do that.

[Degoat]

What about Ricky Rubio? Always thought he’d be a good spur, can’t imagine the Cavs value him that much

[playblair]

Way to go out on a limb there
that will be the last time i bring my intel to spurstalk.....this site is ungrateful for actual scoops......some other site will appreciate my intel......

[cutewizard]

This Micic can play

Could we get him.?

[cutewizard]

One player I would really love on the Spurs is Ecan Mobley

SHADES of Bill Russell in him

[Chinook]

Who is this that you're referring to?

As for Ibaka, is he really only 33? That is shocking? Seems like he's closer to 40. That age/birth records must be off.

Prince

[MannyIsGod]

What exactly do you think Grant Williams does? Do you think Keldon is the only player on the team?


Grant williams is a four that can defend and shoot the 3 well. That is a role no one on our team fills yet you somehow think he's redundant. On a fair contract he's a great addition.

[Em-City]

Bring on Eric Gordon - solid vet presence with spacing for wemby to operate. what do you think spurs fans?

[T Park]

What exactly do you think Grant Williams does? Do you think Keldon is the only player on the team?

plays defense, makes threes.


Who is the backup 4 on this team currently that does that?

[Em-City]

plays defense, makes threes.


Who is the backup 4 on this team currently that does that?
sochan?

[spurraider21]

sochan?
He said makes threes

[Mr. Body]

Grant williams is a four that can defend and shoot the 3 well. That is a role no one on our team fills yet you somehow think he's redundant. On a fair contract he's a great addition.

Those skills are covered on the roster. Moving on.

[MannyIsGod]

Those skills are covered on the roster. Moving on.

What the fuck even is this logic. Even for you this is a new low. Because we have other players who defend and shoot 3s we should not consider young players with those skill sets at a position we need depth?

Amazing. Guess we don't need to sign anyone because whatever skill they might have we already have SOMEONE on the roster who can do that. Nevermind if they don't play the same position or that you want a roster full of players with this skill set.

[Mr. Body]

Why this obsession with adding long-term salary to the team for players who do shit the team already does? In the case of Grant Williams, not even that well? Is it like some kind of consumerist mania, like you're in a mall and just have to spend some of your money? You guys sound like a little kid at the check out lane throwing a fit when Mommy won't buy you a Kit-Kat bar.

Spending money for no fucking reason right now is fucking stupid.

[objective]

In an interview with NBA Today on ESPN, when asked what he was weighing on entering free agency, Brook Lopez said:


"I just want to be somewhere where I can win games, help teams win games, help players grow. Help teams and be a great teammate. That's what I'm all about, and I love playing basketball. You know, I feel like I have a lot left to give, I'm not anywhere near my end. So I just want to help players get better, help teams win."

Helping players grow and get better while also winning, sounds like a good fit.

[vander]

No one here wants Bruce Brown? Couldn't the Spurs throw a big front-loaded contract at him to lure him away?

[onechance87]

No one here wants Bruce Brown? Couldn't the Spurs throw a big front-loaded contract at him to lure him away?

hes pretty much keldon johnson for us...Good hustle guy

[tbdog]

No one here wants Bruce Brown? Couldn't the Spurs throw a big front-loaded contract at him to lure him away?

I think he will go to the mavs.

[tbdog]

I think Grant Williams and Horton Tucker are the spurs targets.

[mo7888]

I think Grant Williams and Horton Tucker are the spurs targets.

Why do you think that? I know several people here like Grant, but i haven't heard tucker mentioned.

[exstatic]

I like the idea of Jordan Clarkson. He’s from San Antonio. Good size for a combo guard. He can come off the bench or start and run point. There’s just not much out there for true point guards. Tre Jones will be important piece for the Spurs, and quite honestly there’s no one worth spending the bag on. While Wesley is young and still needs to develop it’s worrisome if he’s the answer at back up point guard.

This is the EXACT kind of overpay that the Spurs said that they're actively trying to avoid. He's not a PG, nor a particularly great 3G shooter, not even as good career as Keldon, .338 -> .363. Oh, and he's 31. Hard pass.

[exstatic]

Well said couldn't agree nobody on the spurs does wt Williams does at all let alone his playoff experience and youth being on his side. Grant Williams please!!!

The DNP/CDs from this year? Is that the playoff experience?

[exstatic]

Bring on Eric Gordon - solid vet presence with spacing for wemby to operate. what do you think spurs fans?

Gordon was the original Kawhi, sicking out on New Orleans after being exchanged in the CP0 trade to the Clippers in order to force a trade. No thanks. I've seen that movie already.

[RC_Drunkford]

plays defense, makes threes.


Who is the backup 4 on this team currently that does that?

if he couldn’t shoot 3s he would like him

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The DNP/CDs from this year? Is that the playoff experience?

Uhh he's played 61 playoff games and more than 1100 minutes - this is literally more than everyone on the Spurs combined.

[JPB]

Why this obsession with adding long-term salary to the team for players who do shit the team already does? In the case of Grant Williams, not even that well? Is it like some kind of consumerist mania, like you're in a mall and just have to spend some of your money? You guys sound like a little kid at the check out lane throwing a fit when Mommy won't buy you a Kit-Kat bar.

Spending money for no fucking reason right now is fucking stupid.

I agree with you on that, but that was exactly my feeling when all you guys wanted to jizz picks + Keldon all over the draft for any of these lottery guys just because spurs had a lot of assets.

[SpurSpike]

No one here wants Bruce Brown? Couldn't the Spurs throw a big front-loaded contract at him to lure him away?

I was thinking this too, rumor is he is getting an extension though. Murray let it slip in a recent interview that he was happy for Bruce Browns extension. If he does hit free agency though, he would be a good player to target. He plays that position less basketball that the spurs seem to be trying to do. Came into the league as a point guard but can play almost any position.

[SpursFan86]

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Sounds like FVV and Dillon Brooks to Houston is close to a sure thing at this point.

[rankingtear]

^ Does that mean we get Brook?