Report: Damian Lillard Requests Trade, Spurs on List of Preferred Teams

[Extra Stout]

If Wemby is who everyone thinks he is then the Spurs will be competitive whether anyone likes it or not.LeBron went 35-47 his first year, with a productive Carlos Boozer.


If Vassell gets an extension anything like the current payscales going around the Spurs might never have enough cap room to add a top 15 point guard via free agency for the rest of Wemby's career. VanVleet wasn't a top 10 pg in my eyes and ... still has an estimated 1st year salary of 40.8!
Getting Doug McDermott and Khem Birch off the books pays for most of Devin’s extension.

I wouldn’t take Houston’s profligacy as setting the market.

If the Spurs can’t find a free agent point guard, then if Blake Wesley fails to develop they can draft one with one of their many picks.


High risk yet high reward . I don't expect it to happen and won't be heartbroken when it doesn't. Just an entertaining thought experiment.Yeah.

[The Truth #6]

Sad reality is most American NBA stars are divas that lead to drama or are not actually superstars that get you to a ring. The latest Finals could illustrate this reality. Build around Joker (not just the talent but the no BS stability and home grown team building approach) or like Miami with extremely hard working dudes and hope to get lucky.

I’m exaggerating to a point but not completely. It’s hard to build a winner these days. Everyone is impatient and wants to fast track. I agree to wait a year and possibly stealth tank/slow roll to then see what we need to go all in on, or not. Or get another lottery pick. There is always star movement every year. This is a good situation. So far from the DDR years of nonsense.

[Obstructed_View]

Getting Doug McDermott and Khem Birch off the books pays for most of Devin’s extension.


I was ready for Dougie to go right up until the Spurs won the lottery. He might become Victor's favorite target.

[slick'81]

I was ready for Dougie to go right up until the Spurs won the lottery. He might become Victor's favorite target.

his floor spacing and veteran presence is actually needed now

[daslicer]

Amazing how many Spurs fans are acting like Laker fans in here and are just excited an alleged big-name star is interested in them that they are willing to trade the farm to get him. They are willing to do this despite Damian being a small 6ft player who is 33 years old and whose best days are going to end very soon. This is the equivalent of being excited about the hot girl from your high school that rejected you back in the day but now at the age off 33 is interested in you but also has 3 kids and is now starting to decline in looks.

[Brazil]

Trade for Dame. Get these kids in the playoffs and let them learn how to win on the big stage. What player could we sign or draft in the next 3 or 4 years that could possibly be as good as Dame? Who gives a fuck if he's 32? Isn't CP3 still balling (when healthy lol) at like 50 years old? Who the fuck wants to watch a bunch of 30 win seasons for the next 2-3 years? Wemby said he wants to win now. Believe him or don't. Just hope no one is crying when he dips in a few seasons because the front office was too chicken shit to try anything.

Bruh Spurs will be in tanking mode, not shooting for worst 4 but they are not going to push it, I can see Spurs trying a top 10 pick next year imho

[slick'81]

Bruh Spurs will be in tanking mode, not shooting for worst 4 but they are not going to push it, I can see Spurs trying a top 10 pick next year imho


if they miss the playoffs and are back in the lottery that should be ideal

[Brazil]

if they miss the playoffs and are back in the lottery that should be ideal

I think it's low key the plan. Obviously Spurs did not want to make any big moves before knowing what they have with Victor, they also want to focus on his adaptation and health.

[ace3g]

Bleacher Report @BleacherReport
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Clippers, Timberwolves, Celtics, and Pelicans are all among teams "to reach out" about a potential Damian Lillard trade, per B/R's ChrisBHaynes

[rascal]

Getting back into the top 5-10 in next year's draft should be the goal.
They already said they're bringing back the same team and manage Wemby's minutes so they are on track for the soft tank.

That's the only way the spurs are going to get that all star PG to pair with Wemby.

[PhantomDashCam]

Just some random thoughts:

- We have eight first round picks (likely) coming our way over the next three years.
They’re all not going to be on the team.
Under certain depreciating protections, you should be able to offer two-three without selling the farm/mortgaging a significant part of the future.

- We also have no idea on what price Vassell will command and what the Spurs would be willing to pay him too in FA or as a rookie extension. (Desmond Bane anyone?)

- A closing 5 man group of: Zach Collins, Wemby, Sochan, KJ and Dame is a pretty potent mix on paper

- Anfernee Simons and CJ Mcollum developed into borderline All-stars with Dame still on the team. Elite, team-friendly competition helps others improve and reach their potential sooner.

[Mal]

Why do you want to lose in the conference semifinals?

It's better to be in playoffs, be there, give your best rather than be 10th-12th again and miss everything or lose in play-in.

I`m all about going through process of trade, rather than - he is too old, contract too big, pass. Spurs can fit it - 2 years of Lillard-ball, then pass the torch to Wemby.

[Extra Stout]

It's better to be in playoffs, be there, give your best rather than be 10th-12th again and miss everything or lose in play-in.

I`m all about going through process of trade, rather than - he is too old, contract too big, pass. Spurs can fit it - 2 years of Lillard-ball, then pass the torch to Wemby.
That’s the philosophical difference. Some believe the right thing to do, the ethical thing to do, is to give it your all every year, and make moves to put the best possible team out there every year, even if the short-term moves mortgage some of the future. Soft-rolling a season after drafting a generational superstar seems cynical and unethical.

However, it is manifestly obvious that is not how the Spurs’ organization sees things.

[ismael-robert]

Bleacher Report @BleacherReport
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Clippers, Timberwolves, Celtics, and Pelicans are all among teams "to reach out" about a potential Damian Lillard trade, per B/R's ChrisBHaynes

Notice what these have in common...their stars are getting older and they are looking for something to get them over hump (or their stars are frustrated with losing and wanna leave). Spurs are looking for another dynasty

[RC_Drunkford]

Notice what these have in common...their stars are getting older and they are looking for something to get them over hump (or their stars are frustrated with losing and wanna leave). Spurs are looking for another dynasty

so Zion, Anthony Edwards, KAT, Tatum and Brown are old?

[Kurik]

My hope is that a team besides Miami gets Dame and the Spurs as the team with loads of cap space still can take advantage. Let other teams make mistakes, as long as Lillard doesn’t go to Miami some dominoes may need to fall.

[lefty]

Bruh Spurs will be in tanking mode, not shooting for worst 4 but they are not going to push it, I can see Spurs trying a top 10 pick next year imho
Don't Spurs already have good picks from previous trades?

[exstatic]

My hope is that a team besides Miami gets Dame and the Spurs as the team with loads of cap space still can take advantage. Let other teams make mistakes, as long as Lillard doesn’t go to Miami some dominoes may need to fall.

Yeah, I’m kind of done renting gobs of cap space for SRPs. If you can’t come to the table with a first, Spurs should simply sign a deal or deals to get to the floor, and tell the teams needing space to fuck all the way off.

[Kurik]

Don't Spurs already have good picks from previous trades?

Raptors should be in a sweet spot around 10-12. I think Charlotte will be a playin team next year assuming Lamelo stays healthy, so their pick around 12-14. I think the Spurs will be right around the 10th seed in the West so we’re looking at potentially 2-3 first round picks between 8-14.

[CGD]

Yeah, I’m kind of done renting gobs of cap space for SRPs. If you can’t come to the table with a first, Spurs should simply sign a deal or deals to get to the floor, and tell the teams needing space to fuck all the way off.

I feel the sentiment, but I also think it’s situational. For example, given their proven track record of competition a FRP from Miami is probably not likely to be THAT far off from a SRP from one of the career NBA loser front offices like CLE, WAS, or even a NOLA. We just saw in this past draft how pretty similar players in the 20-45th range are, or at least, how picks there are mostly about the eye of the beholder.

[spurraider21]

i dont think lillard makes much sense unless its a kawhi-esque giveaway, but its worth noting hes actually coming off one of the better individual seasons of his career. he also has less mileage than steph

i dont think he's cooked or notably declining or anything like that

also have to realize that with a 19 year old wemby, you are hoping to have like a 15+ year window the way we did with timmy. there are going to be multiple iterations of the wemby spurs. we dont necessarily need the same version of the team aging together for all 15 years

[tesseractive]

That’s the philosophical difference. Some believe the right thing to do, the ethical thing to do, is to give it your all every year, and make moves to put the best possible team out there every year, even if the short-term moves mortgage some of the future. Soft-rolling a season after drafting a generational superstar seems cynical and unethical.

However, it is manifestly obvious that is not how the Spurs’ organization sees things.
They've got a lot of promising young players. They want to see where they are before making any moves. As long as they go into every game trying their best to win with the players they have, that's not unethical. Unethical is putting your players on the court and basically telling them to half-ass it so they will lose.

If they go 10-25 to start the season with their young core, making win-now moves is silly, but it might be time to look at some other options for some guys who haven't been getting it done. If they go 16-19, maybe it makes sense to trade for a key veteran and try for a playoff run. They're still going to lose early in the playoffs, but getting a young team some early playoff experience can be great to build on.

[Mal]

That’s the philosophical difference. Some believe the right thing to do, the ethical thing to do, is to give it your all every year, and make moves to put the best possible team out there every year, even if the short-term moves mortgage some of the future. Soft-rolling a season after drafting a generational superstar seems cynical and unethical.

However, it is manifestly obvious that is not how the Spurs’ organization sees things.

The tank is clearly over. Spurs have shitloads of picks incoming and cap space to do it. But they shouldn't take a part in bidding war, just wait and see how it goes.

[ismael-robert]

so Zion, Anthony Edwards, KAT, Tatum and Brown are old?

Mentally yes, they're tired of losing and becoming tired of their teams and nobody wants that

[RC_Drunkford]

Mentally yes, they're tired of losing and becoming tired of their teams and nobody wants that

way to try to save yourself from a horrible take :lol

so if people say Wemby is wise beyond his years, doesn't that make him part of that group as well? Cause he's mentally old :lmao

[Crazymaddopeyo]

Some Spurs fans : "Lillard is too old! He'll be 33!"

If Wemby is who people think him to be, a truly generational player, the best in 20 years, maybe the best ever, then he's ready to try and win the title with this year, next year, every year.

Most people who think him to be that guy also say it'll take at least 3 years for him to be ready to compete for a championship. That puts Dame at 36 who won't be anywhere near what he's like now. I haven't heard anyone say he'll be ready to compete for a championship right out. That rarely happens, not even Lebron did that.

[R. DeMurre]

If Wemby is who everyone thinks he is then the Spurs will be competitive whether anyone likes it or not.

I'm confident they'll surprise people, like in the first 7 game this past year but over a whole season. The biggest thing holding them back is the lack of a good point guard / on ball creator. That is probably the easiest way to lose is by having bad point play.

If Vassell gets an extension anything like the current payscales going around the Spurs might never have enough cap room to add a top 15 point guard via free agency for the rest of Wemby's career. VanVleet wasn't a top 10 pg in my eyes and ... still has an estimated 1st year salary of 40.8!

That's if there's even any one to sign. The top 3 UFA points next year are dejounte, Conley and Lowry. Plus 35 year old DeMar if he counts. In 2025 they'll be Ben Simmons, Jamal Murray (good luck), 31 year old Derrick White and 35 year old non shooting Jrue.

I was not a fan of signing FVV before free agency because of the reasons people don't like a Lillard deal: doesn't fit with the plan, age not in the same timeline ... So why do I think differently for someone even older who would cost assets beyond just capspace? Because Lillard is that much better. He's so good that he can be worth it, if he wanted to play for SA of course.

High risk yet high reward . I don't expect it to happen and won't be heartbroken when it doesn't. Just an entertaining thought experiment.


Jrue Holiday's career 3pt% is 36.6% and last season he shot 38.4%. Lillard's career 3pt% is 37.2% and last season he shot 37.1%. If anything, Jrue is a much better comp for Lillard than someone like Steph is, with his career 42.8% mark. Granted, Lillard takes more attempts, but calling Jrue a non-shooter doesn't ring true to me, and I think the fatal flaw in scouting Lillard is to think that he's analogous to Steph in terms of bending the defense with his gravity. Steph is to Lillard what Lillard is to someone shooting under 32%. Huge difference.

[KobesAchilles]

Hell, I might be willing to look at him prior to the trade deadline depending on how things flesh out. Not certain why everyone is in such a panic to use every draft pick and spend every dollar before summer league has even started.
What’s with this every draft pick nonsense? We have like 12 picks in the next 5 years and 20 SRPs. Nobody is suggesting 12 FRPs for Lillard. You are being obtuse.

We don’t have the roster space for all our picks anyway, might as well trade them. Or trade the player we are going to replace if we do make draft selections. That’s just common sense.

[Obstructed_View]

What’s with this every draft pick nonsense? We have like 12 picks in the next 5 years and 20 SRPs. Nobody is suggesting 12 FRPs for Lillard. You are being obtuse.

We don’t have the roster space for all our picks anyway, might as well trade them. Or trade the player we are going to replace if we do make draft selections. That’s just common sense.
You didn't see the tears that the Spurs traded away 33 instead of using it to pick the guy they got later?

[DPG21920]

I`ll take 2nd round, when Wemby is still 19.

Luckily sA doesn’t agree

[baseline bum]

Most people who think him to be that guy also say it'll take at least 3 years for him to be ready to compete for a championship. That puts Dame at 36 who won't be anywhere near what he's like now. I haven't heard anyone say he'll be ready to compete for a championship right out. That rarely happens, not even Lebron did that.

Don't know why people are acting like 19 year old Wemby is 1989 David Robinson. It made sense to trade for Terry Cummings and Mo Cheeks to put next to a 24 year old who was an MVP candidate the second he took the floor. If people want to go that 1989 route they should tell which of Jokic, Doncic, Antetokounmpo, Curry, or Embiid is Victor going to replace in the top 5 players in the league this coming season.

[Seventyniner]

Jrue Holiday's career 3pt% is 36.6% and last season he shot 38.4%. Lillard's career 3pt% is 37.2% and last season he shot 37.1%. If anything, Jrue is a much better comp for Lillard than someone like Steph is, with his career 42.8% mark. Granted, Lillard takes more attempts, but calling Jrue a non-shooter doesn't ring true to me, and I think the fatal flaw in scouting Lillard is to think that he's analogous to Steph in terms of bending the defense with his gravity. Steph is to Lillard what Lillard is to someone shooting under 32%. Huge difference.

I don't think this is a fair comparison. Dame's game is much more than just shooting threes. Jrue averaged between 2 and 3 free throw attempts per game in his time with Milwaukee, while Dame is consistently around 7 (albeit in a few more minutes per game) and was a ridiculous 9.6 last season.

The better metric to look at is true shooting percentage. Dame has been above 62% in 3 of the last 4 seasons, which is awesome for a high usage guard. Curry of course is better (~66%) but that doesn't mean Dame's number is bad. Jrue, by contrast, is around 59% with the Bucks, not far above last season's overall league average of 58.1%.

Dame has been really really good on offense 3 of the last 4 years. If the Spurs could assure themselves of getting that level of production for 3 of the next 4 years they shouldn't hesitate to give up Vassell and 4 firsts for him. Dame's age, though, makes that an iffy proposition.

Your point that Jrue should not be called a non-shooter is valid. However, Dame is closer to Curry than he is to Jrue, and the difference is due to free throws, not threes.

[KobesAchilles]

Luckily sA doesn’t agree
We don’t have the roster space for all of our picks. And in order to create said roster space, they have to trade the picks away or they have to trade the current players. We have almost zero chance at getting a top PG since the going rate for FVV is $43 million a year and Tre Jones will hamper Wemby if we keep him as the starter. We can’t even properly evaluate him when he is constantly getting doubled from Tre’s defender.

Financially, Lillard doesn’t cost us nearly as much as people are clamoring. You can’t have it both ways and say we have enough talent to surround Wemby with a contender already, then add an all nba player and say that we are killing our future. It makes zero sense since we can still sign our current players and having Lillard on our team doesn’t change that.

And lastly, Lillard isn’t going to fall off a cliff at age 37. They guy takes care of his body, works on his game, eats and trains correctly, and is all in as a professional. He won’t be a 30 ppg guy at age 37, but 20 and 6 seems very plausible. Heck Steph is 36 and he is playing great.

[rjv]

i get that we don't have the room for all of our picks but that doesn't mean we have to trade them now, for lillard. i'd rather wait for a bigger fish down the road.

[DPG21920]

We don’t have the roster space for all of our picks. And in order to create said roster space, they have to trade the picks away or they have to trade the current players. We have almost zero chance at getting a top PG since the going rate for FVV is $43 million a year and Tre Jones will hamper Wemby if we keep him as the starter. We can’t even properly evaluate him when he is constantly getting doubled from Tre’s defender.

Financially, Lillard doesn’t cost us nearly as much as people are clamoring. You can’t have it both ways and say we have enough talent to surround Wemby with a contender already, then add an all nba player and say that we are killing our future. It makes zero sense since we can still sign our current players and having Lillard on our team doesn’t change that.

And lastly, Lillard isn’t going to fall off a cliff at age 37. They guy takes care of his body, works on his game, eats and trains correctly, and is all in as a professional. He won’t be a 30 ppg guy at age 37, but 20 and 6 seems very plausible. Heck Steph is 36 and he is playing great.

It makes perfect sense. Like BOS or DEN spurs have the guys but they aren’t ready yet. Spurs aren’t in a rush nor should they be. I don’t care about the money. There’s always a FVV to get

I’d pay Dame 80m a year and want him if he was 27.

[TD 21]

Title is misleading. His list is apparently the Heat and maybe the Nets.

The 76ers can put forth the best offer though, but it'll require threading the needle.

Offer Maxey (supposedly not available, yet they won't extend this off season to maximize cap space for '24, another weak class) to the Spurs for significant draft capital.

Then offer Harden for Powell, Morris Sr. and as much draft capital as they have available.

Finally, offer most (all?) of the draft capital + Harris for Lillard.

[baseline bum]

What’s with this every draft pick nonsense? We have like 12 picks in the next 5 years and 20 SRPs. Nobody is suggesting 12 FRPs for Lillard. You are being obtuse.

We don’t have the roster space for all our picks anyway, might as well trade them. Or trade the player we are going to replace if we do make draft selections. That’s just common sense.

I don't want to give up the team's best picks, eg the two unprotected Atlanta picks and the two pick swaps. Because those are going to be the most important assets to use to get another running mate for Victor. Don't want to blow those on a guy like Lillard that will be out of his prime in two years before Victor has even entered his. The Spurs cannot fuck this hand up that they have right now because as much as Victor loves San Antonio currently, he'll walk just like LeBron did if the Spurs botch the build around him. Trading their best assets now for a guy about to turn 33 in a week and a half would be botching the build. If they can get Lillard for a steal like what Toronto got Kawhi for then hell yes I want Lillard. Like if they could get him for Keldon, the Chicago pick, and the Toronto pick then pull the fucking trigger. Throw in the Charlotte pick if needed also. But not if getting Lillard gets in the way of another piece to put around Victor in his prime.

[R. DeMurre]

I don't think this is a fair comparison. Dame's game is much more than just shooting threes. Jrue averaged between 2 and 3 free throw attempts per game in his time with Milwaukee, while Dame is consistently around 7 (albeit in a few more minutes per game) and was a ridiculous 9.6 last season.

The better metric to look at is true shooting percentage. Dame has been above 62% in 3 of the last 4 seasons, which is awesome for a high usage guard. Curry of course is better (~66%) but that doesn't mean Dame's number is bad. Jrue, by contrast, is around 59% with the Bucks, not far above last season's overall league average of 58.1%.

Dame has been really really good on offense 3 of the last 4 years. If the Spurs could assure themselves of getting that level of production for 3 of the next 4 years they shouldn't hesitate to give up Vassell and 4 firsts for him. Dame's age, though, makes that an iffy proposition.

Your point that Jrue should not be called a non-shooter is valid. However, Dame is closer to Curry than he is to Jrue, and the difference is due to free throws, not threes.


Good points-- I'm a big advocate of TS% and I agree that Lillard overall is much more of an offensive weapon than Jrue, but Lillard's higher FT rate, higher aggression, and higher usage rate also coincided with a Portland team that finished 33-49, or 13th out of 15 teams, worse than every team in their conference except for two teams that were blatantly tanking, and in a season where parity was much higher than usual. Dame is also not nearly the defender Jrue is, and has been a net negative on that side for most of his career. There's no question he's a brilliant offensive player. I'm definitely not arguing against that.

[spurraider21]

Title is misleading. His list is apparently the Heat and maybe the Nets.

The 76ers can put forth the best offer though, but it'll require threading the needle.

Offer Maxey (supposedly not available, yet they won't extend this off season to maximize cap space for '24, another weak class) to the Spurs for significant draft capital.

Then offer Harden for Powell, Morris Sr. and as much draft capital as they have available.

Finally, offer most (all?) of the draft capital + Harris for Lillard.
would you trade harden + maxey + whatever picks they have left for Dame? i wouldnt

[objective]

Jrue Holiday's career 3pt% is 36.6% and last season he shot 38.4%. Lillard's career 3pt% is 37.2% and last season he shot 37.1i%. If anything, Jrue is a much better comp for Lillard than someone like Steph is, with his career 42.8% mark. Granted, Lillard takes more attempts, but calling Jrue a non-shooter doesn't ring true to me, and I think the fatal flaw in scouting Lillard is to think that he's analogous to Steph in terms of bending the defense with his gravity. Steph is to Lillard what Lillard is to someone shooting under 32%. Huge difference.

My mistake I care more about the playoffs. Not that Dame was there the last 2 years but I was thinking of their last few appearances. Lillard gets up more attempts and a better %.

But it's fair to say I had some recency bias when Jrue's poor shooting bit with this past playoffs.

[Ariel]

would you trade harden + maxey + whatever picks they have left for Dame? i wouldnt
With Embiid aging and as injury prone as it is, if you think that gives you the best chances for a title you have to do it. Maxey is going to end up overpaid in a year anyway.

[TD 21]

would you trade harden + maxey + whatever picks they have left for Dame? i wouldnt

I hate the Clippers' potential offers for Harden and would only even consider them in a scenario where I'm also getting Lillard, if I'm the 76ers.

Not a fan of tunnel vision Powell, but he is a legitimately explosive/efficient off ball scorer, while Morris Sr., though post prime, is entering a contract season and at least replaces Harris' role.

This would keep Embiid engaged and arguably (if Lillard can maintain) give them a better chance at short term contention.

[Ocotillo]

Harden may not like the way things go moving forward for him. Ben Simmons wanted out and Morey took his time until he got what he wanted, ironically, Harden. My point, Morey ain't taking a bag of chips for the beard.

[The Truth #6]

There’s also a benefit of not trading for Dame so that some other team can further implode and take themselves out of contention, because I think that’s just as likely perhaps more likely than Dame going somewhere and leading them to the championship. I think he’s kinda overrated. What happened to the discomfort with short point guards?

[Leetonidas]

Harden may not like the way things go moving forward for him. Ben Simmons wanted out and Morey took his time until he got what he wanted, ironically, Harden. My point, Morey ain't taking a bag of chips for the beard.

Different situations though. At that time we didn't know Simmons was damaged goods and many thought he just needed a change of scenery. He was also under contract for 4 more seasons. Harden on the other hand is old, a known choker, and is on an expiring contract. Teams are not going to break the bank for someone who will be a FA in a year. I think the market for him is probably pretty limited too. I don't think Morey can afford to wait it out this time imo

[Brazil]

Don't Spurs already have good picks from previous trades?

first round picks are from Toronto and Charlotte so no guarantee of high picks, they also second rounders. if the idea is to pick an elite PG the road is a kinda soft tank

[Brazil]

Lillard at this price would make 0 sense, Spurs won't be contender next year with or without him neither pretender... best case scenario is a PO spot and a first round exit. Lillard is a short term solution (next 2 years), Spurs are clearly on mid term schedule, timing is just not ok

[Bruno]

The reason why Lillard wants to be traded is that he wants to be with a contender.

You can debate whether Lillard makes sense for Spurs, but Spurs make no sense for Lillard.

[Mnky]

Key point here.
We just don't know. He could be the next Kareem or the next Oden.

We need at least half a season to establish his actual ability and more importantly durability in the NBA.
And it's not like the rest of the roster is full of established players.
We need one season with no bs DNPs, everyone playing at their best, in order to properly evaluate the roster.

Most of us who are against trading for Lillard would have no issue in doing so if we were sure Wemby is the next big thing, but we're not.
What if he gets injured before we even figure out his potential? You're stuck with Lillard who's not going to sit out another season.

If Wemby has a Duncan-like rookie season, then by all means, go all in the next summer and get ready for contention.
I just think that trading for a 33 year old on a supermax that runs through 2027 isn't a good idea.
Might seem far fetched because Spurs were never a destination for big names, but just look at the state of the league.

Mavs completely ruined any chance to build around Luka and he doesn't seem to have Dirk's loyalty. He's gone within two years if this situation continues.
Memphis looked to be on their way to contention, but it turned out that Ja is an idiot. If he doesn't get his shit together this season, I can see some trade requests being made.
TWolves are always a trainwreck, can't see Edwards sticking around for long.
NOLA is also a joke, but we don't really want either of their stars.
Suns are stacked right now, but that roster is very close to their expiry date. Two seasons at the most and they're done. Who knows what happens with Booker after that.
Kings are good, but already at their limit because they can't add another star and neither Fox nor Sabonis are good enough as first options on a legit contender.
Hawks are close to imploding.
Celtics have a big decision to make with Brown's contract.
Cavs will have to get rid of Mitchell or Garland (my personal favorite for Wemby's partner) because two small guards on a max, playing with no defense just can't work.
Bucks extended their window by a couple of seasons, but they'll be done in 2025 with no assets remaining. Giannis will still be young enough.
Sixers are in a horrible position. I'd say their window is closed and Embiid won't be there much longer, imo.

I didn't even include Warriors, Lakers or Clippers because they're just straight up old and don't have an all-star Spurs would want.
Denver is the only contending team in a really good long-term situation right now.

Biting on Lillard trade is something poorly ran organizations with no patience do.
He most defintiely doesn't even want to join and would play for the Spurs as a last resort option. Then we'd have to make a couple more trades because he won't come to fight for the play-in.

After nephew sabotaged everything, Spurs kept digging themselves even deeper for a couple of years with all those treadmill team trades.
They finally realized it's time to go and got incredibly lucky with Wemby. I'm sure they won't ruin it just because a 33 year old star asked out.
I honestly can't remember when was the last time NBA had so many contenders in questionable situation and uncertain long-term future.
I'd say that as soon as the next summer, Spurs will have at least a couple of opportunities to trade for any of the players I mentioned above. Players who are way closer to Wemby timeline than Lillard.
By then we'll know if Wemby is actually the real deal. If he is, then very few players won't have Spurs on their list of preferred trade destinations.
And not only that, but Spurs will have enough assets to make multiple trades. Just takes some patience.

Season can't start soon enough so everyone can forget all about these potential trades.

Good points. Like I said, you weight the the good and bad. If it's a steal of a deal and you can help Wemby develop while giving your team time to draft or find a legitimate PG for Wemby for a few years, why wouldn't you? People are making too much of the cost. You're going to lose first round picks period. Either players don't develop or you have too many bodies or cant afford new ones. Either way, your team is capped. Noone once said mortgage the future for lilliard. It's always been a, "if the price is right."

And like many have mentioned, his deal will run out almost the same age Curry is right now. One year later. There are plenty or pros to it as well which is why you explore it. Doesn't mean you commit to hurting the franchise long term as people keep suggesting.

I'm looking forward to the season as well. Hope the Spurs can get him some more veteran protection though. Kid is gonna have a huge target on him.

[SpursGenius]

I don't think this is a fair comparison. Dame's game is much more than just shooting threes. Jrue averaged between 2 and 3 free throw attempts per game in his time with Milwaukee, while Dame is consistently around 7 (albeit in a few more minutes per game) and was a ridiculous 9.6 last season.

The better metric to look at is true shooting percentage. Dame has been above 62% in 3 of the last 4 seasons, which is awesome for a high usage guard. Curry of course is better (~66%) but that doesn't mean Dame's number is bad. Jrue, by contrast, is around 59% with the Bucks, not far above last season's overall league average of 58.1%.

Dame has been really really good on offense 3 of the last 4 years. If the Spurs could assure themselves of getting that level of production for 3 of the next 4 years they shouldn't hesitate to give up Vassell and 4 firsts for him. Dame's age, though, makes that an iffy proposition.

Your point that Jrue should not be called a non-shooter is valid. However, Dame is closer to Curry than he is to Jrue, and the difference is due to free throws, not threes.
Is this Portland’s GM trying to rob spurs. ? I would give up only Toronto and charlotte protected first rounders. Maybe two seconds. Definitely not Vassell. KJ yes. People don’t understand that KJ metrics show he is the guy you unload not Vassell. Vassell is the better player.

[lefty]

first round picks are from Toronto and Charlotte so no guarantee of high picks, they also second rounders. if the idea is to pick an elite PG the road is a kinda soft tank
ah ok ok

[lefty]

The reason why Lillard wants to be traded is that he wants to be with a contender.

You can debate whether Lillard makes sense for Spurs, but Spurs make no sense for Lillard.
This 100%

And trading for Lillard would require assets and to that I say no, fuck no (in Tony Montana's voice)

[stephen jackson]

I would love dame but we gotta see what we got first and what we need next year

[K...]

The reason why Lillard wants to be traded is that he wants to be with a contender.

You can debate whether Lillard makes sense for Spurs, but Spurs make no sense for Lillard.

Someone posted a Quote or rumor saying that Lollard wanted to come here only if we got another star, presumably harden. Obv much harder for the spurs to pull off

[ismael-robert]

way to try to save yourself from a horrible take :lol

so if people say Wemby is wise beyond his years, doesn't that make him part of that group as well? Cause he's mentally old :lmao

What are u 13? You just called him wise, that's a positive. Being mentally old and TIRED means frustrated, giving up in team n putting forth no effort or hunger

[BatManu20]

I’ve had 3 days to think about my stance on Dame, and I’m still a hard pass tbh. If he were 5 years younger, I’d be all-in. But he’s not. He’s 33 years-old, and as history has repeatedly shown us with guys like Kobe, Harden, Iverson, D-Wade, Vince Carter, Ray Allen, Reggie Miller, Manu, etc., that’s right around the age scoring guards start to really decline in production. MJ and Curry are sort of the only outliers here that come to mind, although Curry’s not quite what he once was either and MJ was declining too by age 34 (though both still elite for that age). But typically speaking, 32-33 is where scoring guards really start to drop off.

Dame played only 29 games the 2021-22 season due to abdominal and calf injuries (though it it would been closer to 40-45 games had they not purposely sat him last 10-15 games of the season or so to tank), and he missed a combined 31 games the 2 seasons prior with injuries. Despite the fact that he just had a career year scoring-wise (mostly because his team last year was trash so he averaged a career high 21 shot attempts/per, including 11 3-point attempts/per), Father Time is clearly catching up to him a bit. Now, it can be argued that his game will age better than most of the aforementioned players because of his elite 3-point shooting, similar to Curry. And you might be right. But he’s still going to be a player in decline over the next 4 years. And to give up one of Keldon or Vassell + all of that draft capital (including the TOR pick that could very well be a lottery pick best season) for a player in decline who’s going to be owed $63 Million when he’s 37 years old (un-tradable contract), sounds like a really bad idea, especially when we are nowhere near ready to compete for a Championship right now anyways. It doesn’t make sense tbh. By the time we’re ready to compete in 3–4 years, Dame will likely be a shell of himself (see CP3 in PHX the past 2 seasons), yet he’d still be our highest paid player by far. Not to mention trading for him would completely take us out of the running for the stacked 2025 Free Agent class. No thanks tbh. Love Dame, I really do, but the age + timing just ain’t right.

[CGD]

I mean, give or take a minimum salary here or there, Dame/Nurk for Lowery/Herro works right? Then inclusion of Nurk mitigates some of the fact that MIA only can offer 2 FRPs.

Not sure why they’d need to include a 3rd team like the spurs. I’d imagine Blazers would welcome Lowery’s expiring.

Time to move on.

[RC_Drunkford]

What are u 13? You just called him wise, that's a positive. Being mentally old and TIRED means frustrated, giving up in team n putting forth no effort or hunger

so Tatum and Ant are tired at 25 and 21 :lmao Ant has been in the league for 3 years. Maybe Wemby will get tired after 3 years too :lol Just admit that what you said was stupid

[ismael-robert]

so Tatum and Ant are tired at 25 and 21 :lmao Ant has been in the league for 3 years. Maybe Wemby will get tired after 3 years too :lol Just admit that what you said was stupid

Mentally tired yes, do u lack comprehension. You can see them give up when things aren't going their way

[RC_Drunkford]

Not to mention trading for him would completely take us out of the running for the stacked 2025 Free Agent class.

it's not really a stacked free agency class. Nephew(34), Paul George (35), LeGM (40), AD (32), Jrue Holiday (35), Ingram, CP3 (40), Brook Lopez (37), Brogdon (32)

It's basically Giannis (if he opts out), Donovan Mitchell (if he opts out), OG Anounoby, Derrick White, Jamal Murray and Myles Turner you are left with and some of those guys will sign extensions

[RC_Drunkford]

Mentally tired yes, do u lack comprehension. You can see them give up when things aren't going their way

you must be a psychiatrist when you can recognize these things watching from your TV screen :lol

[Seventyniner]

Good points-- I'm a big advocate of TS% and I agree that Lillard overall is much more of an offensive weapon than Jrue, but Lillard's higher FT rate, higher aggression, and higher usage rate also coincided with a Portland team that finished 33-49, or 13th out of 15 teams, worse than every team in their conference except for two teams that were blatantly tanking, and in a season where parity was much higher than usual. Dame is also not nearly the defender Jrue is, and has been a net negative on that side for most of his career. There's no question he's a brilliant offensive player. I'm definitely not arguing against that.

You're right about defense. Jrue is much better than Dame on that end, and that's half the game.

[scott]

it's not really a stacked free agency class. Nephew(34), Paul George (35), LeGM (40), AD (32), Jrue Holiday (35), Ingram, CP3 (40), Brook Lopez (37), Brogdon (32)

It's basically Giannis (if he opts out), Donovan Mitchell (if he opts out), OG Anounoby, Derrick White, Jamal Murray and Myles Turner you are left with and some of those guys will sign extensions

None of these supposed epic FA classes ever materialize, and as you point out this one really isn't even that great. Saving up your coins for them is a fools errand.

[BatManu20]

it's not really a stacked free agency class. Nephew(34), Paul George (35), LeGM (40), AD (32), Jrue Holiday (35), Ingram, CP3 (40), Brook Lopez (37), Brogdon (32)

It's basically Giannis (if he opts out), Donovan Mitchell (if he opts out), OG Anounoby, Derrick White, Jamal Murray and Myles Turner you are left with and some of those guys will sign extensions

I’d rather take my chances with Giannis or even an older PG on a discount in 2025 when we’re closer to competing and knowing what we have and what we need than paying a 36-37 year-old Dame $58M and $63M tbh. That way we keep all that draft capital to either draft young talent over the next couple years, potentially in the lottery, or move it for a different disgruntled player who’s much younger after we have a better feel for the roster. That’s my preference personally.

There’s a real chance Giannis wants out of MIL in 2 years. They have an aging core right now. Jrue will be 35 and Middleton will be 36 in 2025. Brook Lopez will be 37. I’d almost be more surprised if Giannis wanted to stick around at that point tbh, unless they win a title or two over the next couple seasons (which is possible).

[RC_Drunkford]

could be. But I think bringing somebody in via trade is more likely.

[JPB]

it's not really a stacked free agency class. Nephew(34), Paul George (35), LeGM (40), AD (32), Jrue Holiday (35), Ingram, CP3 (40), Brook Lopez (37), Brogdon (32)

It's basically Giannis (if he opts out), Donovan Mitchell (if he opts out), OG Anounoby, Derrick White, Jamal Murray and Myles Turner you are left with and some of those guys will sign extensions

Well, I'm OK with Giannis.

[RC_Drunkford]

Giannis won't hit free agency. They will extend him the year before

[mo7888]

I mean, give or take a minimum salary here or there, Dame/Nurk for Lowery/Herro works right? Then inclusion of Nurk mitigates some of the fact that MIA only can offer 2 FRPs.

Not sure why they’d need to include a 3rd team like the spurs. I’d imagine Blazers would welcome Lowery’s expiring.

Time to move on.

I think Herro is the issue here... Portland doesn't want him with Scoot and Simons on the roster. They need to find a team that'll take him and they want assets (picks) from that team. Right now, Bobby Marks on espn is pushing him to the nets and 2 more 1st's going to Portland. I really doubt Sean Marks would pay that and eventually i expect Portland to lower their price to a basket of 2nd's to avoid taking Herro.

[BatManu20]

Who knows, maybe Steve Kerr brings Steph with him when he takes over in a couple years tbh. 37 year-old Curry as the third option on a title contender would still be legit imo. Steph sorta feels like a warriors-lifer though aka Timmy, Kobe, Dirk, etc so not holding my breath.

[Mr. Body]

I think Herro is the issue here... Portland doesn't want him with Scoot and Simons on the roster. They need to find a team that'll take him and they want assets (picks) from that team. Right now, Bobby Marks on espn is pushing him to the nets and 2 more 1st's going to Portland. I really doubt Sean Marks would pay that and eventually i expect Portland to lower their price to a basket of 2nd's to avoid taking Herro.

I think it's the Spurs or Nets and no one wants to give up a first for Herro. My guess is the Spurs have already said no anyway.

[duncan2150]

I think it's the Spurs or Nets and no one wants to give up a first for Herro. My guess is the Spurs have already said no anyway.

I fell it very strange to not give a first for herro, maybe that's more on the guy than the basketball player

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1675886469087461377

i'm with keith smith on this one

[jesterbobman]

If we were out on Reaves (offering him something above MLE), then I imagine we're out on Herro at his deal unless we got huge assets to take I'm on. You can argue preferences on both of them, though I don't think there's a case that Herro is $8m a year better, let alone $20m a year better.

[spurraider21]

yeah i think herro is getting shit on more than he should. his contract isnt a bargain, but its probably fair market rate for him tbh. i think teams insisting they need to be compensated for taking him on are losing the plot. people are treating him like jordan poole, which i dont buy

[spurraider21]

If we were out on Reaves (offering him something above MLE), then I imagine we're out on Herro at his deal unless we got huge assets to take I'm on. You can argue preferences on both of them, though I don't think there's a case that Herro is $8m a year better, let alone $20m a year better.
i think reaves has been a better defender, but herro is more proven as a high volume player/scorer

herro has a longer track record of being good, too

[scott]

Yeah, I've said it before and I'll say it again... Herro's contract isn't that bad. People here are talking about basically giving Devin the same deal, and IMO Herro > Devin.

[Mr. Body]

In a vaccuum, I'd take Herro at $30mil/year over Austin Reaves at $25mil/year and there's no particular question about it. Herro is younger and much better for longer.

[scott]

In a vaccuum, I'd take Herro at $30mil/year over Austin Reaves at $25mil/year and there's no particular question about it. Herro is younger and much better for longer.

Would you rather have Herro or Devin at 4/120?

[spurraider21]

Would you rather have Herro or Devin at 4/120?
herro is the better player who has actually played well enough to justify a 30mil salary

but we all think devin has the higher ceiling because there is way more untapped potential given his physical tools

on a team like the spurs, i'd shoot for the ceiling. if i was a better team looking to compete, id take the sure thing in herro. with that said, 4/120 would be an overpay for devin at this point

[scott]

herro is the better player who has actually played well enough to justify a 30mil salary

but we all think devin has the higher ceiling because there is way more untapped potential given his physical tools

on a team like the spurs, i'd shoot for the ceiling. if i was a better team looking to compete, id take the sure thing in herro. with that said, 4/120 would be an overpay for devin at this point

Maybe I'm down too down on Devin. I think Herro is a better player and has a higher ceiling - but I don't proclaim to be a basketball expert.

I agree 4/120 would be an overpay for Devin... but I wouldn't be surprised if that's what his next deal was. Salaries are going up in this (NBA) economy.

[BatManu20]

Miami’s going to end up getting cucked in this deal tbh.

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[Mr. Body]

Would you rather have Herro or Devin at 4/120?

I don't see that as the question at hand.

[BatManu20]

Vassell at 4/$120M would be an overpay. I love his potential, but that’s a lot of bank for potential.

[mo7888]

I think it's the Spurs or Nets and no one wants to give up a first for Herro. My guess is the Spurs have already said no anyway.

That's reasonable. I'm still ambivalent on Herro. You make the trade if you think he's your long-term starter at PG and move Tre to his natural place off the bench.

[scott]

I don't see that as the question at hand.

Does that mean you can't answer it? Herro at $30MM vs Reaves at $25MM isn't also a question at hand either, but you had no problems opining on it.

[Kurik]

If Vassell averages around 19 a game with about average defense and plays 65 games this year, what are y’all paying him? I’d say between 20-25 a year would be the max I’m comfortable with. My main concern right now is can he stay relatively healthy for a long stretch of the season.

[Mr. Body]

Does that mean you can't answer it? Herro at $30MM vs Reaves at $25MM isn't also a question at hand either, but you had no problems opining on it.

I have no idea what that's supposed to mean.

[spurraider21]

Maybe I'm down too down on Devin. I think Herro is a better player and has a higher ceiling - but I don't proclaim to be a basketball expert.

I agree 4/120 would be an overpay for Devin... but I wouldn't be surprised if that's what his next deal was. Salaries are going up in this (NBA) economy.
i agree herro is the better player (right now). the reason devin has the higher ceiling is that physically he seems to have the tools to become a strong iso scorer, which is very useful in late game situations. he also has high defensive upside (even though he was bad defensively last year), given his length and 6'10 wingspan. herro is 6'5 with only a 6'3 wingspan.

the defense isnt merely a projection. he was a good defender in college and was even pretty decent early in his career. think he took a step back last year with the increase offensive load. hope he's worked up the stamina to be a better two-way player.

think wemby will start making a lot of guys look like better defenders, too

[Mr. Body]

That's reasonable. I'm still ambivalent on Herro. You make the trade if you think he's your long-term starter at PG and move Tre to his natural place off the bench.

He's just on the fringe of super intriguing. If his contract wasn't another four years. If his defense was better. If he could be counted on to be a better facilitator. If his cultural fit wasn't a question.

I suppose Keldon can be asked about his character/culture fit, assuming he knows about him through UKentucky associations. I don't see a ton of overlap between him and Vassell -- one is more on-ball, the other is off-ball. My question is whether Herro is gonna, well, Herro-ball things.

[jesterbobman]

I think Herro has been better, in a much better environment than Vassell has been in. I'm also higher on Reaves than Herro, as he is so much more efficient in his role .

Current Value, I'd say Reaves > Herro > Vassell,

Long term, I'm personally much higher on Vassell than Herro - I don't think Herro gets to be a true good #1 option, and guys who are below that level, though in that role have (I think, opinion) more limited value to a title contender than other role players, particularly if you think they're below average defensively. I'd bet on the upside and growth of Vassell and potential to be a contributor as a tertiary ball handler / off ball shooter AND Roaming defensive stud who offers help off ball.

Long term Vassell > Reaves >/~ Herro (age in Herro's favour).

Room for debate though.

[scott]

If Vassell averages around 19 a game with about average defense and plays 65 games this year, what are y’all paying him? I’d say between 20-25 a year would be the max I’m comfortable with. My main concern right now is can he stay relatively healthy for a long stretch of the season.

IDK, 20-25 seems about the going rate, if not a little bit of a bargain, for the player you describe.

Bruce Brown just got $21MM/year coming off an 11/4/3 season.

Deandre Hunter will make $22.5/yr over the next 4 and is coming off a 15/4/1 season.

I don't think folks fully grasp how much NBA players make these days.

[Mr. Body]

Saying Reaves is better is just straight up nuts. So far he's a flash in the pan. Herro has been good for over three years now. It's just recency bias speaking.

[spurraider21]

the thing is, if wemby is who we think he is, we dont need a "true good #1 option" alongside him. he is it. and you could argue if a player like herro is a better offensive fit than a player like vassell

[scott]

I have no idea what that's supposed to mean.

So you're either an obtuse moron who can't read through some typos; or you're someone who is too chickenshit to answer basic questions.

Noted.

[spurraider21]

IDK, 20-25 seems about the going rate, if not a little bit of a bargain, for the player you describe.

Bruce Brown just got $21MM/year coming off an 11/4/3 season.

Deandre Hunter will make $22.5/yr over the next 4 and is coming off a 15/4/1 season.

I don't think folks fully grasp how much NBA players make these days.
bruce brown also got a 2 year deal. nobody was going to give bruce brown 5/100

pacers basically did with Bruce Brown what some people here wanted to do with a guy like Lopez. a short term overpay because there is cap space to burn.

[mo7888]

He's just on the fringe of super intriguing. If his contract wasn't another four years. If his defense was better. If he could be counted on to be a better facilitator. If his cultural fit wasn't a question.

I suppose Keldon can be asked about his character/culture fit, assuming he knows about him through UKentucky associations. I don't see a ton of overlap between him and Vassell -- one is more on-ball, the other is off-ball. My question is whether Herro is gonna, well, Herro-ball things.

I didn't consider the Keldon connection...thats a good point... As for fit, I think he's fine. I think he's a PG, and his shooting is needed. I see no overlap with Devin at all and think they'd actually complement each other fairly well. It's the cultural fit that concerns me the most. I'd take him in a heartbeat if i wasn't concerned about that, but your point about Keldon does give the FO some extra insight there.

[Kurik]

IDK, 20-25 seems about the going rate, if not a little bit of a bargain, for the player you describe.

Bruce Brown just got $21MM/year coming off an 11/4/3 season.

Deandre Hunter will make $22.5/yr over the next 4 and is coming off a 15/4/1 season.

I don't think folks fully grasp how much NBA players make these days.

Great points, it’s hard to get out of the mindset that the valued role players are making what star players used to make. If Vassell can be consistent this year both in his game and health I’m not too concerned. If he doesn’t make a jump then I lean towards packaging him with picks to make a splash.

[scott]

i agree herro is the better player (right now). the reason devin has the higher ceiling is that physically he seems to have the tools to become a strong iso scorer, which is very useful in late game situations. he also has high defensive upside (even though he was bad defensively last year), given his length and 6'10 wingspan. herro is 6'5 with only a 6'3 wingspan.

the defense isnt merely a projection. he was a good defender in college and was even pretty decent early in his career. think he took a step back last year with the increase offensive load. hope he's worked up the stamina to be a better two-way player.

think wemby will start making a lot of guys look like better defenders, too

What are the best advanced stats to look at for defense? Herro's DWS has been higher than Devin's every season, but that could be just a matter of the team they are on. I hear a lot of Devin's defense, but it hasn't really materialized so I'm second guessing that aspect of his game. I do remember Devin getting bullied in clutch time by some OKC rookie last year, I think maybe even giving up the game winning bucket IIRC, and that turned me off on Devin's D. Granted it was just one game and Devin may not have been 100%

[mo7888]

I think Herro has been better, in a much better environment than Vassell has been in. I'm also higher on Reaves than Herro, as he is so much more efficient in his role .

Current Value, I'd say Reaves > Herro > Vassell,

Long term, I'm personally much higher on Vassell than Herro - I don't think Herro gets to be a true good #1 option, and guys who are below that level, though in that role have (I think, opinion) more limited value to a title contender than other role players, particularly if you think they're below average defensively. I'd bet on the upside and growth of Vassell and potential to be a contributor as a tertiary ball handler / off ball shooter AND Roaming defensive stud who offers help off ball.

Long term Vassell > Reaves >/~ Herro (age in Herro's favour).

Room for debate though.

I pretty much agree with that. I don't think it matters who's better between Herro and Devin though. There games don't overlap.

[scott]

I pretty much agree with that. I don't think it matters who's better between Herro and Devin though. There games don't overlap.

It only matters in the context of if you had to choose one. Say Devin's extension needed to be 4/120 (either by virtue of what his team is asking for now, or you think that's what he'll project to next summer if he hits RFA, which I don't think is too out of question if you look at what other deals were signed this offseason). You have an offer on the table to bring in Herro, but the cost is Devin. Do you do it?

[mo7888]

It only matters in the context of if you had to choose one. Say Devin's extension needed to be 4/120 (either by virtue of what his team is asking for now, or you think that's what he'll project to next summer if he hits RFA, which I don't think is too out of question if you look at what other deals were signed this offseason). You have an offer on the table to bring in Herro, but the cost is Devin. Do you do it?

No. I assume you mean moving Devin in the trade? I wouldn't do that at all. Now if you just mean because of overall team salary there's no reason the choice is one or the other.

[scott]

No. I assume you mean moving Devin in the trade? I wouldn't do that at all. Now if you just mean because of overall team salary there's no reason the choice is one or the other.

Yes, I mean if the trade offer was Herro for Devin (and you project having to pay Devin 4/120).

I agree, that this team can easily afford them both *if they wanted*, and still have the flexibility needed for the future. I also agree that Herro and Devin could fit together just fine.

The cultural fit stuff is funny to me. Reminds me of the old ST topic around guys like SJax. But now we're talking about a White Boy from Wisconsin :lol

[Mr. Body]

Ultimately, the fact that Brooklyn doesn't seem willing to part with a frp for Herro gives me pause. If there's no market for him now, that doesn't bode well and we're trying to talk ourselves into something. Likley one of those potential mistakes that gums up possibilities later.

[mo7888]

Yes, I mean if the trade offer was Herro for Devin (and you project having to pay Devin 4/120).

I agree, that this team can easily afford them both *if they wanted*, and still have the flexibility needed for the future. I also agree that Herro and Devin could fit together just fine.

The cultural fit stuff is funny to me. Reminds me of the old ST topic around guys like SJax. But now we're talking about a White Boy from Wisconsin :lol

Cultural fit for me boils down to two things 1) playing in a team concept instead of playing hero ball and 2) his personality is just a little wierd.. it may not be a problem though

[Mr. Body]

Cultural fit for me boils down to two things 1) playing in a team concept instead of playing hero ball and 2) his personality is just a little wierd.. it may not be a problem though

I'd expand on 2): I dont now much about him but it seems he has an instagram type lifestyle, girlfriend, South Beach desires. If he just wants to sit in and play basketball, that's one thing.

[scott]

Cultural fit for me boils down to two things 1) playing in a team concept instead of playing hero ball and 2) his personality is just a little wierd.. it may not be a problem though

I feel like Herro and Sochan would fit right in. The team ball part... IDK... being able to thrive under Spo would suggest good things... your team still making the finals without you suggests bad things.

[scott]

I was curious so I googled... yeah Tyler has a hot GF (but so does Tre Jones, well hot wife now), and they have two kids together... but I found this nugget: Before Tyler, she dated San Antonio's Austin Mahone. Tyler probably doesn't want to come here :lol

[CGD]

The teams will probably take a tactical pause here soon unless Portland comes off their demands, at least that’s what I would do if I were Miami. I just don’t really see a robust market for Dame out there, or, put differently a willing offer that beats:

- 30M expiring
- salary dumping of an atrocious contract (tantamount to a FRP)
- two FRPs
- young flipable asset (even if they have to wait to do it later)
- potentially a sweetener like Jaquez or Jovic

POR is understandably aggrieved, much like the Spurs were in 2018. But like us then, PORs leverage isn’t what they feel it ought to be. I feel bad for their fanbase, but they should move to cut bait ASAP.

[Mr. Body]

Uh... I finally looked it up. Keldon Johnson doesn't have to ask around his Kentucky pals about Tyler Herro when they played together for the Wildcats. I didn't really watch college ball that year.

[Barfunk]

Damian Lillard only wants to play for the Miami Heat - Per Shams

As others have already said here, Spurs were smoke and mirrors to begin with. Might have a chance at him maybe when he's like 42 years old. Eh, I'd rather see what we have with Keldon, Devin, etc anyways.

[Barfunk]

I wouldn't be surprised to win 50 games this season, but I've learned my lesson in not listening to people here who know more about basketball than I do, so maybe at BEST we can go something like 45-37.

[Phenomanul]

Watching Austin Reaves’ footwork and unorthodox play I can’t help but admit that there is some Manu magic in him.

[kobyz]

https://i.ibb.co/FJx8hX4/fanspo-nba-trade-machine-snap-4-7-2023-22-40-46.png (https://ibb.co/3WrSTvm)

[Kurik]

https://i.ibb.co/FJx8hX4/fanspo-nba-trade-machine-snap-4-7-2023-22-40-46.png (https://ibb.co/3WrSTvm)


“Specifically, the Stepien Rule requires teams to have at least one future first-rounder in every other draft. Named after Ted Stepien, formerly of the Cleveland Cavaliers, the rule is to protect teams from trading themselves bare.”

[JPB]

why would the mavs want Herro?

[mo7888]

why would the mavs want Herro?

Why would we want Nurkic's contract?

[Seventyniner]

Why would we want Nurkic's contract?

For those sweet sweet second rounders.

A first would be the real prize but the Heat can't trade any firsts until 2028, and they barely have enough assets to satisfy the Blazers without looping in other teams that would want assets of their own.

Evidently Dame only wants to go to Miami and other GMs are very hesitant to put together offers for him.

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article276667571.html


Lillard has remained adamant about being traded only to the Heat. ESPN has reported that it will get “uncomfortable” if Portland tries to trade him elsewhere. It’s unclear what Lillard would do if faced with that circumstance.

The most likely scenario is that the Blazers just get fleeced for 30 cents on the dollar (as Bill Simmons puts it) in a 2-team trade with Miami. Otherwise we could see a third team take on Herro, but a four-team monstrosity is extremely hard to coordinate and quite unlikely imo.

[kobyz]

why would the mavs want Herro?

upgrade over Hardaway jr

[kobyz]

“Specifically, the Stepien Rule requires teams to have at least one future first-rounder in every other draft. Named after Ted Stepien, formerly of the Cleveland Cavaliers, the rule is to protect teams from trading themselves bare.”

so make two of the picks a pick swap

[Extra Stout]

Do we have to wait 30 days before Austin Reaves can be included in the trade?

[JPB]

upgrade over Hardaway jr

what playing time and role for Herro (who would certainly expect his fair share as a primary ball handler) in a team with two of the biggest primary ball handlers in the NBA? You can be sure that one of Luka or Irving will almost always be on the floor for Dallas, when not the two of them, so what role for Herro? Playing off the ball?

[SequSpur]

why is tpark still being a bitch in here? I thought you had that anger management shit figured out? when is the first Wemby Spurstalk get together? LMK

[Obstructed_View]

So the Spurs never had a chance at Dame or Reaves, the team has shown an amazing ability to find undrafted gems, but the Spurstalk ignorati are still wadpantied at the way the off season has gone.

[tbdog]

I think hero goes to nets for Simmons. And nets add picks to that deal to send to blazers, allowing blazers to get more picks. That's my guess.

[exstatic]

I think hero goes to nets for Simmons. And nets add picks to that deal to send to blazers, allowing blazers to get more picks. That's my guess.

Miami can’t accept both Simmons and Dame’s contracts, sending out only Herro. Nobody wants their other awful contracts. Hell, no one wants Herro.

[Mr. Body]

Miami can’t accept both Simmons and Dame’s contracts, sending out only Herro. Nobody wants their other awful contracts. Hell, no one wants Herro.

Someone posted how Miami can absorb both Simmons and Lillard, I think with Lowry, Duncan Robinson, and maybe Caleb Mathin.

They'll probably have to do this if they want the Nets involved.

[exstatic]

Someone posted how Miami can absorb both Simmons and Lillard, I think with Lowry, Duncan Robinson, and maybe Caleb Mathin.

They'll probably have to do this if they want the Nets involved.

Nobody wants Robinson. Nobody wants Herro. Miami doesn’t have the resources to pay to get rid of them, and pay for Dame. I think Portland is past the point of giving a fuck about what Dame wants. It was a complete dick move to wait this long to drop his demand.

[Mr. Body]

Nobody wants Robinson. Nobody wants Herro. Miami doesn’t have the resources to pay to get rid of them, and pay for Dame. I think Portland is past the point of giving a fuck about what Dame wants. It was a complete dick move to wait this long to drop his demand.

Maybe. The point is, Miami can take Lillard and Simmons if they have to.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Miami needs to trade OKC their unprotected 2024 FRP for the Heat’s 2025 lottery protected pick that OKC owns. Then Miami can trade their own 2026, 2028, and 2030 picks along with 2025, 2027, and 2029 pick swaps in order to increase draft capital they can use to make this trade work. Even better would be if OKC would trade Miami’s 2025 pick back for a Heat player. That would free up an additional FRP for the Heat.

[tbdog]

Miami can’t accept both Simmons and Dame’s contracts, sending out only Herro. Nobody wants their other awful contracts. Hell, no one wants Herro.

No, Simmons goes to blazers with more picks from nets.

[exstatic]

No, Simmons goes to blazers with more picks from nets.

…who have already said they’re not paying to get rid of him. His final 2 years are cheaper than FVVs, so they’ll it eat ‘em rather than surrender FRPs

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1676595220392079367

Are the Spurs in those 5 ?

[Degoat]

Really wish the spurs got into taking on Tyler Herro, but it just doesn’t make sense right now

[LeBowen]

Really wish the spurs got into taking on Tyler Herro, but it just doesn’t make sense right now

Why would you want Herro?
He's a good player, but his 120/4 deal just kicked in.
Yeah, Spurs have the cap space, but he's just another zero defense, tunnel vision, guard scorer in the league.

And Heat sees him as an asset that should net them a solid return in Lillard trade, while the rest of the league sees him as a more or less neutral asset. Yeah, he'd maybe be worth a pick, but noone is giving up three picks for Herro.
If they salary dumped him, why not, but I'm not giving up at least two picks for a glorified role player on such big contract.

[Spurs Homer]

Not sure if posted - but I wonder if the Blazers drafting Scoot was the reason that Lillard maybe read the writing on the wall and decided to move on?

[Degoat]

Why would you want Herro?
He's a good player, but his 120/4 deal just kicked in.
Yeah, Spurs have the cap space, but he's just another zero defense, tunnel vision, guard scorer in the league.

And Heat sees him as an asset that should net them a solid return in Lillard trade, while the rest of the league sees him as a more or less neutral asset. Yeah, he'd maybe be worth a pick, but noone is giving up three picks for Herro.
If they salary dumped him, why not, but I'm not giving up at least two picks for a glorified role player on such big contract.

I like the fit with Wemby, spurs will need shooting and guys who aren’t afraid of the moment imo. Will see how it plays out but look at the extension Desmond Bane just got compared to Herro, I think they’re close to the same level.

[SpursFan86]

1676624134976024576

[ChumpDumper]

1676624134976024576I mean I guess they loom but they're probably not going to do anything.

[mo7888]

1676624134976024576

They might value Herro, but i dont think there's anyway they take him and Nurkic

[lmbebo]

They might value Herro, but i dont think there's anyway they take him and Nurkic


Thats a lot of money to take on. Full Herro contract and Nurkic .... why would we want that? Maybe if they expired this year. But I think Nurkic has 3 years left? Herro has 120M/4 years left?

[exstatic]

They might value Herro, but i dont think there's anyway they take him and Nurkic

I doubt that. Miami doesn't even value him, and they're a team that values defense like us. I heard stuff about him being quiet shopped last year.

Getting involved in something like this is literally the opposite of what the Spurs have said they're doing this summer. Not directed particularly at you, mo, but peeps need to really process that when they set their expectations for the summer.

[spurraider21]

herro isnt really a bargain right now, but his contract probably is about market rate for his services. its not really the type of contract that feels like a burden, the same way jordan poole would. i dont think a team should expect compensation to absorb herro. but if you're expected to pile nurkic on top of that, yeah...

OTOH if that provides an outlet to replace the corpse of Birch with a center that could actually log some productive minutes, dont think it would take too much

assuming the team had a budget above the cap floor, of course

[Degoat]

I’ve said it a bunch but I want Herro, but if the spurs are interested in him, I wonder if it’s because they don’t want to pay Dev what he wants

[SpursFan86]

I mean I guess they loom but they're probably not going to do anything.

I agree. Think a lot of this is just speculation because we’re the only team with considerable cap space at this point. I mean if it’s a home run deal where we get considerable compensation for getting Herro then sure but I don’t see that happening. Adding Nurkic makes it even less likely because at that point we’d be adding considerable payroll for the next several years which seems like the opposite of what the FO wants right now.

[spurraider21]

I’ve said it a bunch but I want Herro, but if the spurs are interested in him, I wonder if it’s because they don’t want to pay Dev what he wants
i feel like herro would really be branham's replacement more so than vassell's, as a score-first combo guard. the spurs tried to play branham at point quite a bit last year, and we've seen herro play a little bit of that role as well.

herro is a much better outside shooter than branham. herro isnt much at all defensively, but branham was... abysmal defensively.

[Obstructed_View]

Not sure if posted - but I wonder if the Blazers drafting Scoot was the reason that Lillard maybe read the writing on the wall and decided to move on?
I knew it was the second they drafted Scoot. I'm sure he did too. The Blazers were daring him to ask for a trade so they wouldn't look like the bad guys.

[$pursDynasty]

Spurs are every teams/free agents favorite stalking horse to drive up price/interest. How many times have players ie even Lebron and Iguodala gone on about the culture the coach and maybe being a destination when they had zero interest in going to San Antonio? Now if the Heat can't be done regardless of three team whatever and Dame wants to come here, awesome but I have not seen any trade possibility that we help facilitate him going to the Heat that intrigues me at all.

[Bruno]

Whoever will be the third team in a Lillard to Miami trade, will be in a strong place during trade talks. Both Miami and Portland need to do that trade.

I don't like Herro for the Spurs. There are huge question marks about his character and his defense. If Spurs want him, the max they should offer if Graham + Birch. Adding a pick (even the Charlotte pick) would be too much.

[Joseph Kony]

0 chance the spurs will facilitate this trade if they have to take back either Herro/Nurkic. keep dreaming boys

[Excessive Egotist]

Whoever will be the third team in a Lillard to Miami trade, will be in a strong place during trade talks. Both Miami and Portland need to do that trade.

I don't like Herro for the Spurs. There are huge question marks about his character and his defense. If Spurs want him, the max they should offer if Graham + Birch. Adding a pick (even the Charlotte pick) would be too much.

Agree with all this, except I'm completely out on Herro.

The Lillard trade could be as many as 5 teams. OKC-Miami still haven't officially concluded their Oladipo business. So that deal could become part of a broader transactions.

Herro to the Knicks or Nets makes sense to me. Between Knicks (Fournier), Nets (Simmons), Heat (Lowry, Herro, Robinson?), and Blazers (Nurkic), they are lots of bad salaries that could need to find a new home in a cap dump.

In addition to picks, I do hope the Spurs are able to consolidate some bad short term salary and ship it to other teams. That can't be Osman due to non-aggregation restrictions, but Birch and Graham give us 19M of outbound to play with. I'm not sure where our cap room officially sits. If no one has formally signed yet (Jones, Champagnie) we might actually have 25-30M.

The limiting factor is that there aren't many FRPs available from Miami, and Herro probably doesn't command more than 2 FRPs. It's hard to see how Miami both compensates Portland at their asking price and the Spurs are compensated for taking back one or more terrible contracts.

If picks are limited, this may give Spurs leverage with regard to protections.

Clowney and Whitehead remain unsigned, so either could be included in a trade. Perhaps I'm reading the tea leaves incorrectly, but this signals to me that the Nets are at the discussion table.

[Degoat]

Have we officially concluded our 3 way trade with Miami and the Cavs? Surprised spurs haven’t announced anything on their Twitter/Instagram account

[Degoat]

One tibit I was thinking of is the spurs have done two deals with Miami this year, they dumped Dedmon on us and the sign & trade they did with the Cavs. I get a sense teams like to work with certain teams that they have in the past.

[JPB]

Whoever will be the third team in a Lillard to Miami trade, will be in a strong place during trade talks. Both Miami and Portland need to do that trade.

I don't like Herro for the Spurs. There are huge question marks about his character and his defense. If Spurs want him, the max they should offer if Graham + Birch. Adding a pick (even the Charlotte pick) would be too much.

I don't want Herro but I also really don't believe spurs would offer a pick, all the more as a facilitator, and no way then Miami bites (for now anyway)... And that's probably the case around the league, reason why this trade is stagnating. Miami is overestimating the interest a 120/4 Herro generates throughout the league.

[ChumpDumper]

While Herro and/or Nukic could improve the team, it wouldn't be enough to justify the cost IMO -- the direct cost of paying these guys and the opportunity cost of potentially better deals later on. The only acquisition that would put the Spurs closer to win now status is Lillard himself, and even with him not really.

[Mr. Body]

Miami has enough salary pieces to take Lillard on. The financial structure of the deal is more or less in place.

What Miami needs is picks going to Portland. Of course it's a big stumbling block. Miami only has two late decade firsts.

Herro should be drawing more interest, at least that's the hope. They need SAS/POR/somebody to take him and throw what they think is worth toward the Blazers. Only neither team seems to value him that much; the idea has been floated that they should get draft capital in exchange, which can't happen here.

I honestly don't see any bargain/value the Spurs can get out of this, sadly. Herro is the only thing of Miami's they could value, unless somehow the Spurs want to acquire Jovic, Jacquez, Whitehead, Clowney, or another Brooklyn piece for better/juicy firsts and I don't think the Spurs want to do this or Brooklyn wants to do this.

Right now it seems like strongarming/begging Spurs or Nets into getting Herro unless another team pops up. I suppose the Spurs can use their expiring contracts, but this would mean taking on longer term salary by itself. Not what they want to do, I believe. And because of new cap rules, everyone needs to fill up their space by season's start, so expirings aren't worth much otherwise.

[lefty]

I don't like Herro for the Spurs. There are huge question marks about his character and his defense. .

What he said

[Mr. Body]

The other thing about Herro other than his defense... and his personality... and his contract... is that he puts up 16-17 shots a game. Who does he pull those shots from? We already need to adjust to Wembanyama and I don't want Herro taking any of his shots.

[Mitch Cumsteen]

I wouldn't be upset with Kyle Lowry on an expiring contract. He's mostly washed and can't stay healthy, but he still had some moments in the playoffs. He definitely fills a need for a vet and a point guard, and he's got a ring. The Heat certainly don't need him with Lillard on board and Portland is set at the point with Scoot and Simons. If the Spurs could pocket some sort of asset to take those dollars -- lord knows they need a few more second round picks -- then why not?

[exstatic]

I wouldn't be upset with Kyle Lowry on an expiring contract. He's mostly washed and can't stay healthy, but he still had some moments in the playoffs. He definitely fills a need for a vet and a point guard, and he's got a ring. The Heat certainly don't need him with Lillard on board and Portland is set at the point with Scoot and Simons. If the Spurs could pocket some sort of asset to take those dollars -- lord knows they need a few more second round picks -- then why not?

Because that only solves part of the Lillard salary issue, and none of the Nurkic one, and they're insistent on offloading him in the deal. Miami doesn't have even a ton of SRPs to throw in. The only clean, uncontested one they have is 2029, although I guess 2030 would be available now that the 2023 NBA year is over.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I mean I guess they loom but they're probably not going to do anything.

Especially when the fruit of thy loom is Jusuf.

[sfernald]

Okay I know you guys are dying to know how I would have handled this offseason for the Spurs if I were in charge. Let me just assure you it applies to this thread in the end as you will see.

First, my philosophy would be to build a defense first contender for Wemby his first year. That's this year, whether he's ready or not. If you build it, I believe he will rise.

So starting back at the draft day.

I would have snuck in and replaced Memphis and acquired Marcus Smart. We would have traded Tre Jones (bro of who was traded) and a 2024 first and we would have given Boston our 33 and 44 and 3 more seconds later on (boston did all those trades for the seconds, so we would have just provided them with more even so we would have a better offer than Memphis with #25). Seconds for days as they say.

Then we would get Marcus Smart with roughly 3/54 contract. Our starting lineup would be Smart/Vassell/Sochan/Wemby/Zollins. Now we have our defensive tone set going forward.

Then when free agency broke, I would have stepped up and snagged Bruce Brown from Indiana, maybe by guaranteeing that second year. He's a true winner and an everything man off the bench for us. He will establish our superior bench. His contract would be 2/40.

Then I would trade for Jarrett Allen. Whatever it cost, a couple firsts or whatever. It shouldn't be too expensive. He is 3/60 and will be our starting center. Our starting lineup is now Smart/Vassell/Sochan/Wemby/Allen and now it would be elite defensively.

Finally, now our team is looking so strong, we could realistically convince Lillard that we are contenders with him, so we do that trade for Keldon + stuff + 4 firsts and 4 seconds. Now our starting lineup is Lillard/Smart/Sochan/Wemby/Allen with Vassell/Brown/Zollins on the bench.

Start the championship countdown with that roster baby!!!!

[scott]

The following post is written in the context that I actually like Herro and think he would fit in well with this team and be a key piece for us going forward. So, if you disagree with that premise, that's okay and you can just throw out all that I'm about to say.

If the Spurs wanted Herro, I think giving up the CHA pick and getting Herro back would be the way to go. This helps POR save face by getting another FRP added to the haul for Dame, when it reality this pick is MAYBE a coin flip to convey and I wouldn't bet on it. POR or MIA could attach a few 2nds coming back to us, and in reality we may not actually be giving up anything.

Is there better value you can get for the CHA pick? Maybe, though I'm not sure. It is by far the least valuable asset in our pick treasure chest, and a pick we probably don't actually want to make (if it conveys in 2024, it will likely be our 3rd - and worst - pick. If it conveys in 2025 it will likely be our 4th (!!!) pick). I'd definitely give it up in order to land Herro, but that is all based upon the first assumption. If the Spurs don't rate him, then its all pointless discussion. Spurs will never be in the business of taking large multi-year contracts for guys they don't want.

[Excessive Egotist]

Because that only solves part of the Lillard salary issue, and none of the Nurkic one, and they're insistent on offloading him in the deal. Miami doesn't have even a ton of SRPs to throw in. The only clean, uncontested one they have is 2029, although I guess 2030 would be available now that the 2023 NBA year is over.

Miami can also remove protections on their 2025 owed to OKC, which gives them the ability to include another pick, I believe. Plus the FRP swaps in the alternate years.

They need to find a take for Herro at the rate of at least two FRPs, in my estimation. But Miami will need the additional draft capital.

[Mr. Body]

The following post is written in the context that I actually like Herro and think he would fit in well with this team and be a key piece for us going forward. So, if you disagree with that premise, that's okay and you can just throw out all that I'm about to say.

If the Spurs wanted Herro, I think giving up the CHA pick and getting Herro back would be the way to go. This helps POR save face by getting another FRP added to the haul for Dame, when it reality this pick is MAYBE a coin flip to convey and I wouldn't bet on it. POR or MIA could attach a few 2nds coming back to us, and in reality we may not actually be giving up anything.

Is there better value you can get for the CHA pick? Maybe, though I'm not sure. It is by far the least valuable asset in our pick treasure chest, and a pick we probably don't actually want to make (if it conveys in 2024, it will likely be our 3rd - and worst - pick. If it conveys in 2025 it will likely be our 4th (!!!) pick). I'd definitely give it up in order to land Herro, but that is all based upon the first assumption. If the Spurs don't rate him, then its all pointless discussion. Spurs will never be in the business of taking large multi-year contracts for guys they don't want.

Tbh if the Spurs wanted Herro, this deal probably would already be done.

[scott]

Tbh if the Spurs wanted Herro, this deal probably would already be done.

This is probably correct. The Spurs involvement, if any, in either of the Dame or Harden deals will likely be taking on some random small player salaries that we aren't talking about that we can just waive and collect some SRPs (like the Dedmon deal).

[R. DeMurre]

If the Spurs could take on Herro and Jaquez while unloading McDermott's salary, I'd be at least interested. Herro's not my favorite but he's still an upgrade, and although he's probably overpaid, that contract won't be untradeable. Very good chance that a trade package in 2025 of Herro, KJ, 2 FRPs + parts gets you a very good player to pair with Wemby. Though it's hard to imagine Portland not demanding Jaquez.

[spurraider21]

If the Spurs could take on Herro and Jaquez while unloading McDermott's salary, I'd be at least interested. Herro's not my favorite but he's still an upgrade, and although he's probably overpaid, that contract won't be untradeable. Very good chance that a trade package in 2025 of Herro, KJ, 2 FRPs + parts gets you a very good player to pair with Wemby. Though it's hard to imagine Portland not demanding Jaquez.
herro and jacquez for mcdermott? yeah id be intereseted too!

[Kindergarten Cop]

If the Spurs could take on Herro and Jaquez while unloading McDermott's salary, I'd be at least interested. Herro's not my favorite but he's still an upgrade, and although he's probably overpaid, that contract won't be untradeable. Very good chance that a trade package in 2025 of Herro, KJ, 2 FRPs + parts gets you a very good player to pair with Wemby. Though it's hard to imagine Portland not demanding Jaquez.

Doesn't Miami have to wait 30 days before being able to trade Jaime Jaquez? If so, it will be difficult to imagine all of the teams with a path to help facilitate this trade staying patient for that long.

[R. DeMurre]

herro and jacquez for mcdermott? yeah id be intereseted too!


:lol True, on the surface it sounds crazy-- duh, of course!-- but I'm just going on the idea that the only reason the Spurs would be involved as a 3rd team is because Portland isn't interested in Herro and doesn't want to take back long term salary, so he'd have to be shipped to another team.

[R. DeMurre]

Doesn't Miami have to wait 30 days before being able to trade Jaime Jaquez? If so, it will be difficult to imagine all of the teams with a path to help facilitate this trade staying patient for that long.


yeah, I believe he can't be officially traded until July 31st.

[exstatic]

Doesn't Miami have to wait 30 days before being able to trade Jaime Jaquez? If so, it will be difficult to imagine all of the teams with a path to help facilitate this trade staying patient for that long.

This trade’s going to take a lot longer than that to happen, perhaps to the deadline, or even next summer.

[Kindergarten Cop]

This trade’s going to take a lot longer than that to happen, perhaps to the deadline, or even next summer.

Ideally I agree that that's the way that it should happen, but it sure feels like Portland is being strong-armed by the media and pundits to make a deal that is not in their best interest (somewhat similar to the attempts with Kawhi, although I know that the scenarios were quite different) just to see Lillard in a bigger market.

[lefty20]

This trade’s going to take a lot longer than that to happen, perhaps to the deadline, or even next summer.

I agree that this is likely gonna stretch into August, if not longer. But things would get really ugly if Portland were to take this saga into the season.

[exstatic]

Portland seems to not GAF what anyone,including Dame, wants. They trade him to the team that gives them the best offer.

[mo7888]

Portland seems to not GAF what anyone,including Dame, wants. They trade him to the team that gives them the best offer.

I think Portland blinks first...

[rjv]

The other thing about Herro other than his defense... and his personality... and his contract... is that he puts up 16-17 shots a game. Who does he pull those shots from? We already need to adjust to Wembanyama and I don't want Herro taking any of his shots.


i had heard a few analysts proffer that the heat run to the finals was somewhat abetted by the absence of herro, because of his ball dominance.

[scott]

Portland is in a tough spot. They already have a rough reputation for the way Walton and Drexler divorces went down, coupled with their spotty history with medical issues. Players will be looking at how Portland handles this and it may impact their ability to attract talent in the future. It's not really fair the way they are being viewed however, considering that they just gave Dame a quarter-billion dollar extension last season.

Folks criticize the Spurs for always wanting to do-right by their players, but I think this is why they do it, to try and avoid situations like these. (Though obviously it didn't help with the Nephew situation)

[JPB]

POR sure wants valuable FRPs but who can give them that, considering the players discussed? Not sure the CHA pick would be so appetetizing to them.

[spurraider21]

Portland seems to not GAF what anyone,including Dame, wants. They trade him to the team that gives them the best offer.
what team is going to sell the farm for a guy who doesnt want to be there?

[CGD]

Sounds like Miami could relatively easily generate a 3rd FRP by negotiating protections on a 2025 owed to OKC. If that’s true, that’s a pretty solid haul for Dame especially if they can move Nurk.

They can sit on Herro for a while and flip him later. Not the end of the world if they can’t move him now.

[scott]

3 FRPs + 3 Swaps - does that get it done?

[exstatic]

I think Portland blinks first...

Feel free.

[CGD]

3 FRPs + 3 Swaps - does that get it done?

I don’t know what else Portland can expect to get elsewhere honestly. Take the Herro asset and dump Nurk, move on.

Honestly if I’m them I’m also shopping Simons around.

[exstatic]

what team is going to sell the farm for a guy who doesnt want to be there?

They'd have him for four years. You think he's going to incinerate the end of his career?

[scott]

I think I saw a funny tweet about how the trio of Kyrie, Durant and Harden have demanded 7 trades in 2 years - and pending Harden they've all been successful... what's to stop Dame from just demanding another trade next year from his new team? Player empowerment has run amuck.

[Seventyniner]

What non-Heat team will trade for Lillard knowing that he might try to force his way out later? He has already proven that he's willing to do it.

The only way that happens is with Lillard's blessing.

[exstatic]

I think I saw a funny tweet about how the trio of Kyrie, Durant and Harden have demanded 7 trades in 2 years - and pending Harden they've all been successful... what's to stop Dame from just demanding another trade next year from his new team? Player empowerment has run amuck.

He'll have 3 more years under contract, and if he holds out, he doesn't get paid, and at the end of the season, he still has 3 contract years to honor.

[spurraider21]

They'd have him for four years. You think he's going to incinerate the end of his career?
and what FO is going to take that risk?

[duncan2150]

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/37964651/inside-trail-blazers-damian-lillard-trade-talks

"Portland doesn't want guard Tyler Herro (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4395725/tyler-herro) and the four years and $120 million owed on his extension, but there are teams that have told ESPN they would surrender a good first-round pick to the Blazers -- maybe something more -- to become a facilitator by taking on Herro in a three-way deal."

Per Woj, about people thinking Herro value will be to take a first back ..... Btw i understand why some don't want him : character, contract and the fact we already have Vassell, Branham at the same position.....

[spurraider21]

I’ve been saying this. You all might not like Herro but he’s not going to be treated as a cap burden that requires compensation to take on. He’s a legit asset miami is giving to try and make this trade happen. Just so happens that he’s an asset portland doesn’t have as much use for

[LeBowen]

I’ve been saying this. You all might not like Herro but he’s not going to be treated as a cap burden that requires compensation to take on. He’s a legit asset miami is giving to try and make this trade happen. Just so happens that he’s an asset portland doesn’t have as much use for

The problem is that Miami are trying to make everyone believe he's an elite asset that's worth a lot.
Miami has Herro, two picks and maybe Jovic as their Lillard assets. Jovic looks like an interesting player, but not worth a lot at this point.

Blazers would probably want 4 or 5 first rounders, depending on how valuable those picks are.
Miami's two picks could be really good, but then again, it's Miami and they somehow always find a way to be competitive.

I'm sure there are teams that would love to give up a first rounder for Herro, but I doubt anyone wants to give up multiple firsts that could have a lot of value.

And then we end up with Miami's best offer being three first rounders of questionable quality and Jovic, which isn't nearly good enough for a player of Lillard's level.
Especially with news of him threatening to sit out the season coming out.

As for the Spurs, I personally don't want Herro. As I said, he's a good player, but there are pletny of no defense, shoot first guards in the league and they can be found for way less than 120/4.

[exstatic]

I’ve been saying this. You all might not like Herro but he’s not going to be treated as a cap burden that requires compensation to take on. He’s a legit asset miami is giving to try and make this trade happen. Just so happens that he’s an asset portland doesn’t have as much use for

A team traded for Ben Simmons. THREE teams have traded for Kyrie. Three teams have also traded for Harden. It's not a matter of liking or not liking Herro, it's a matter of recognizing that other teams consider players to have positive value where the Spurs would not. I think the only thing we could contribute to this deal are the recent ending contracts acquired. That might net us a handful of SRPs.

[Mr. Body]

Dunno.

Feel like what's holding up a Lillard-Heat trade is draft compensation. If someone wanted Herro for a pick and Portland is okay with three picks, Lillard is gone.

Either no one wants Herro for that first round draft pick, despite what Shams is saying.

Or Portland wants even more. And the only place another pick is coming from is the team taking Herro.

[exstatic]

Dunno.

Feel like what's holding up a Lillard-Heat trade is draft compensation. If someone wanted Herro for a pick and Portland is okay with three picks, Lillard is gone.

Either no one wants Herro for that first round draft pick, despite what Shams is saying.

Or Portland wants even more. And the only place another pick is coming from is the team taking Herro.

Someone also needs to take out the rest of Miami's trash to make the salaries match. That won't be free, either.

[duncan2150]

Dunno.

Feel like what's holding up a Lillard-Heat trade is draft compensation. If someone wanted Herro for a pick and Portland is okay with three picks, Lillard is gone.

Either no one wants Herro for that first round draft pick, despite what Shams is saying.

Or Portland wants even more. And the only place another pick is coming from is the team taking Herro.


I said Shams but it's Woj

Yes maybe Portland want more than three picks as they're trying to have more leverage on this trade




As for the Spurs, I personally don't want Herro. As I said, he's a good player, but there are pletny of no defense, shoot first guards in the league and they can be found for way less than 120/4.

I'm not sure you have so much shooting guards who are 38% 3pts shooter on their career while shooting a lot, can rebound and pass also. Agree about the D tough. For me it's more about having Vassell and developping Branham, without them it's a no brainer if i can have him for a first and a little asset.

Like i said imo what's freezing the deal is that they need a team who gives 2 firsts for Herro wich is unlikely at this point.

Or Portland wants even more. And the only place another pick is coming from is the team taking Herro.[/QUOTE]

[Bruno]

Giving a good first round pick for Herro means very little because that pick can be attached to a bad contract.

I wouldn't be surprised if Nets are offering Ben Simmons and a good first round pick for Herro.

[Degoat]

Also if Portland wants Jaime Jaquez he can’t be included for a month because he just signed his contract

[Mr. Body]

I’ve been saying this. You all might not like Herro but he’s not going to be treated as a cap burden that requires compensation to take on. He’s a legit asset miami is giving to try and make this trade happen. Just so happens that he’s an asset portland doesn’t have as much use for

They're basically pulling Herro around the town square by the ear like a little orphan boy. They have to sell him and that's the worst way to get a fair price.

[mo7888]

Dunno.

Feel like what's holding up a Lillard-Heat trade is draft compensation. If someone wanted Herro for a pick and Portland is okay with three picks, Lillard is gone.

Either no one wants Herro for that first round draft pick, despite what Shams is saying.

Or Portland wants even more. And the only place another pick is coming from is the team taking Herro.

I think Portland wants 4 picks, but they'll eventually settle for 3. We could be that team or it could be Utah or Brooklyn. Its just hard to know what the FO is thinking..

[CGD]

I think Portland wants 4 picks, but they'll eventually settle for 3. We could be that team or it could be Utah or Brooklyn. Its just hard to know what the FO is thinking..

I agree it will come to 3 FRPs. I think part of what Portland is concerned about is this idea (right or wrong) that unprotected Miami FRPs will still be in the late teens or 20s. Basically they want to secure a chance at a higher quality pick, and Herro is the vehicle.

The questions is what team wants Herro and willing to cough something up like Portland wants? I'm sure they're out there, but its probably a team with limited flexibility. Hell, the Spurs may be needed as a fourth team to absorb the 3rd team's trash.

[CGD]

Giving a good first round pick for Herro means very little because that pick can be attached to a bad contract.

I wouldn't be surprised if Nets are offering Ben Simmons and a good first round pick for Herro.

That would make a lot of sense.

[exstatic]

Giving a good first round pick for Herro means very little because that pick can be attached to a bad contract.

I wouldn't be surprised if Nets are offering Ben Simmons and a good first round pick for Herro.

That wouldn't work, because Ben makes about $15M more than Herro. Yet more complications due to salaries that are mismatched.

[Obstructed_View]

Giving a good first round pick for Herro means very little because that pick can be attached to a bad contract.

I wouldn't be surprised if Nets are offering Ben Simmons and a good first round pick for Herro.
I suck at salary and trade stuff. Who does Simmons end up with? Does anyone want him on their roster or is he just a buy-out candidate at this point?

[mo7888]

I agree it will come to 3 FRPs. I think part of what Portland is concerned about is this idea (right or wrong) that unprotected Miami FRPs will still be in the late teens or 20s. Basically they want to secure a chance at a higher quality pick, and Herro is the vehicle.

The questions is what team wants Herro and willing to cough something up like Portland wants? I'm sure they're out there, but its probably a team with limited flexibility. Hell, the Spurs may be needed as a fourth team to absorb the 3rd team's trash.

Yup. It's hard for me to see anyone giving up a unprotected pick for Herro, unless a bad contract is attached. I think it'll have slight protections, but I'm just guessing..

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I suck at salary and trade stuff. Who does Simmons end up with? Does anyone want him on their roster or is he just a buy-out candidate at this point?

Simmons has next to no value left and is quickly headed out of the League or to the Guangdong Tigers. I could see SA and Miami as the only 2 destinations where his career could be resurrected.

[Mr. Body]

I suck at salary and trade stuff. Who does Simmons end up with? Does anyone want him on their roster or is he just a buy-out candidate at this point?

He has one more year after this one. So it's not really that bad. BKN may have some incentive to see if he can actually play next season, but word is he's not well-liked by his teammates (some surprise). They may just want to get rid of him, but then next summer he's a big, juicy expiring.

[mo7888]

Simmons has next to no value left and is quickly headed out of the League or to the Guangdong Tigers. I could see SA and Miami as the only 2 destinations where his career could be resurrected.

I'm not sure about Miami. Wasn't part of the reason Butler left Philly was because he didn't like playing with Simmons?

[Mr. Body]

Woj is floating that five teams are interested in Herro for a "good 1st-round pick.' Not sure what those teams are, furthermore how they could take his salary on. Assuming this is true, then, Portland must want more than those three picks, or else we'd be into the "working out details, trade agreed in principle" stage.

Is there any other place to shake a first round pick from?

I don't think there is. And I don't see how simple expiring contracts help much, either. Nurkic and Simmons are players Portland and Brooklyn wants to dump but the Spurs wouldn't have interest; nor would any other team who could, without compensation.

It really feels like this all comes down to Herro and whether a team will feel sorry/bored enough to throw in more compensation.

- No market for Herro: deal seems utterly dead

- One pick for Herro: total impasse

- Where does anything else come from?? This is it?

[buttsR4rebounding]

Portland is in a tough spot. They already have a rough reputation for the way Walton and Drexler divorces went down, coupled with their spotty history with medical issues. Players will be looking at how Portland handles this and it may impact their ability to attract talent in the future. It's not really fair the way they are being viewed however, considering that they just gave Dame a quarter-billion dollar extension last season.

Folks criticize the Spurs for always wanting to do-right by their players, but I think this is why they do it, to try and avoid situations like these. (Though obviously it didn't help with the Nephew situation)

Walton was before the current ownership and the Blazers accommodated Drexler once their championship contention window closed and they started to rebuild. Drexler requested a trade and they traded him to a great situation with the Rockets at that time. Their medical staff graduated from the Acme School of Veterinarian Medicine, but that doesn't mean they haven't treated their players right. It won't matter since like the Spurs no big name free agent is choosing Portland. They are best served getting whatever young upcoming player they can with as much draft capital as possible filled in with expiring contracts and call it a day. And that deal ain't happening with Miami's leftovers.

[mo7888]

Woj is floating that five teams are interested in Herro for a "good 1st-round pick.' Not sure what those teams are, furthermore how they could take his salary on. Assuming this is true, then, Portland must want more than those three picks, or else we'd be into the "working out details, trade agreed in principle" stage.

Is there any other place to shake a first round pick from?

I don't think there is. And I don't see how simple expiring contracts help much, either. Nurkic and Simmons are players Portland and Brooklyn wants to dump but the Spurs wouldn't have interest; nor would any other team who could, without compensation.

It really feels like this all comes down to Herro and whether a team will feel sorry/bored enough to throw in more compensation.

- No market for Herro: deal seems utterly dead

- One pick for Herro: total impasse

- Where does anything else come from?? This is it?

Pretty much sums it up I think. Portland can probably get 3 firsts and a bunch of swaps and not take bad salary back and not move Nurkic, but it's hard to see them getting much more. Like woj said, they aren't getting the KD Phoenix deal, but they'll get more than the Beal trade.

[Mr. Body]

Pretty much sums it up I think. Portland can probably get 3 firsts and a bunch of swaps and not take bad salary back and not move Nurkic, but it's hard to see them getting much more. Like woj said, they aren't getting the KD Phoenix deal, but they'll get more than the Beal trade.

OKC could be persuaded to drop the protections on that one Miami draft pick, but I'm sure Presti is turning the screws. Not that Miami can give anything, anyway.

As for seconds, Miami has a 2026 second (worst of OKC, Dallas, Philly), a 2029, and 2030. Man, good thing they're good at picking pieces off the bargain rack.

[MannyIsGod]

There's definitely a market for Hero and to think there's not is insane. He's a good player and while his contract is large its not insane by any stretch. Its not a negative value contract.

Portland has said many times they're not going to rush this and with Lillard on a long term deal with little to no leverage here they don't have to. They're probably learning from what Philly did in trading Ben Simmons and just being patient. Is Dame going to sit out the season? Yeah fucking right.

Hero is good, but he's not Dame good and why would Portland settle for any shit Miami offer? They can get more from another team and there's really nothing forcing their hand to move him for a lesser asset in Hero but that shouldn't imply there is no market for Hero.

[Obstructed_View]

Simmons has next to no value left and is quickly headed out of the League or to the Guangdong Tigers. I could see SA and Miami as the only 2 destinations where his career could be resurrected.
So if roster spots were not at a premium they might ... trade for him just to keep for the expiring? That sounds prohibitively expensive.

[Obstructed_View]

There's definitely a market for Hero and to think there's not is insane. He's a good player and while his contract is large its not insane by any stretch. Its not a negative value contract.

Portland has said many times they're not going to rush this and with Lillard on a long term deal with little to no leverage here they don't have to. They're probably learning from what Philly did in trading Ben Simmons and just being patient. Is Dame going to sit out the season? Yeah fucking right.

Hero is good, but he's not Dame good and why would Portland settle for any shit Miami offer? They can get more from another team and there's really nothing forcing their hand to move him for a lesser asset in Hero but that shouldn't imply there is no market for Hero.

Is Herro Austin Reeves good? Serious question.

[baseline bum]

Portland is in a tough spot. They already have a rough reputation for the way Walton and Drexler divorces went down, coupled with their spotty history with medical issues. Players will be looking at how Portland handles this and it may impact their ability to attract talent in the future. It's not really fair the way they are being viewed however, considering that they just gave Dame a quarter-billion dollar extension last season.

Folks criticize the Spurs for always wanting to do-right by their players, but I think this is why they do it, to try and avoid situations like these. (Though obviously it didn't help with the Nephew situation)

What's the story on Drexler's exit from Portland? I remember with Walton they ruined his career by shooting him up with cortisone and telling him to play on a stress fracture. Same thing that killed Yao's career when he had to play in the Beijing Olympics with a stress fracture.

[Mr. Body]

There's definitely a market for Hero and to think there's not is insane. He's a good player and while his contract is large its not insane by any stretch. Its not a negative value contract.

Portland has said many times they're not going to rush this and with Lillard on a long term deal with little to no leverage here they don't have to. They're probably learning from what Philly did in trading Ben Simmons and just being patient. Is Dame going to sit out the season? Yeah fucking right.

Hero is good, but he's not Dame good and why would Portland settle for any shit Miami offer? They can get more from another team and there's really nothing forcing their hand to move him for a lesser asset in Hero but that shouldn't imply there is no market for Hero.

What market, though? Woj claims there are five teams interested. Maybe there are. But everything going on is the same churn you get when a team is trying to create a market for a player. Very similar to Ben Simmons. "Oh yeah, we have lots of suitors." It's a classic way of catching interest.

If there is interest, then they're trying to bid things up and that doesn't seem to be happening. Herro has depressed value because everyone knows he needs to be moved, but if there really is interest then there wouldn't be this sluggish desperation and inertia.

[Mr. Body]

What's the story on Drexler's exit from Portland? I remember with Walton they ruined his career by shooting him up with cortisone and telling him to play on a stress fracture. Same thing that killed Yao's career when he had to play in the Beijing Olympics with a stress fracture.

IIRC they just slipped from contention due to aging players. Their window had more or less closed.

[mo7888]

OKC could be persuaded to drop the protections on that one Miami draft pick, but I'm sure Presti is turning the screws. Not that Miami can give anything, anyway.

As for seconds, Miami has a 2026 second (worst of OKC, Dallas, Philly), a 2029, and 2030. Man, good thing they're good at picking pieces off the bargain rack.

Portland should pray that we want Herro...

[kobyz]

So Lillard to Miami, Herro and Nurkic to Brooklyn, Simmons and 3 firsts to Portland (2 Miami and 1 Brooklyn)?

[MannyIsGod]

What market, though? Woj claims there are five teams interested. Maybe there are. But everything going on is the same churn you get when a team is trying to create a market for a player. Very similar to Ben Simmons. "Oh yeah, we have lots of suitors." It's a classic way of catching interest.

If there is interest, then they're trying to bid things up and that doesn't seem to be happening. Herro has depressed value because everyone knows he needs to be moved, but if there really is interest then there wouldn't be this sluggish desperation and inertia.

But he doesn't need to be moved. He's Miami's 3rd best asset in a trade for Lillard, but outside of acquiring Lillard they don't need to move him. That there are 5 teams trying to figure out how to get him shows there is definitely a market but that doesn't mean that any of those picks somehow make the trade palatable for Portland. Conflating Portland not feeling they are getting enough for Dame and Hero not having a market is just wrong.

[MannyIsGod]

Is Herro Austin Reeves good? Serious question.

The question we should be asking is who will be the better Laker, Kobe or Reaves.

Y'all have managed to turn Reaves in the Spurstalk meme of the offseason.

[mo7888]

Is Herro Austin Reeves good? Serious question.

They're different. Herro is a better shooter, but not by much. Reaves is a better creator, scorer on drives, and defender. Herro is younger. Is he Austin Reaves good? Probably so, strictly from an ability standpoint.

[Obstructed_View]

IIRC they just slipped from contention due to aging players. Their window had more or less closed.
Yep. They lost in the first round a couple of times. Once to the Spurs. All the vets but Buck Williams were GONE in about a year.

Makes me happy because Rod Strickland ended up on a shit team.

[Seventyniner]

So if roster spots were not at a premium they might ... trade for him just to keep for the expiring? That sounds prohibitively expensive.

The Spurs are already loaded with expiring contracts. Swapping some of them for Simmons wouldn't affect this year's cap, only next year's. For enough draft capital maybe the Spurs would pull the trigger and just tell Simmons to stay home.

If the Nets want badly enough to get Herro and get off Simmons's contract, maybe they ship the Spurs an unprotected or lightly protected first (either their own or Phoenix's).

[spurraider21]

They're different. Herro is a better shooter, but not by much. Reaves is a better creator, scorer on drives, and defender. Herro is younger. Is he Austin Reaves good? Probably so, strictly from an ability standpoint.
if i was having a night that required a guy to score 30 and win the game that way, herro by a long shot between the two

[Obstructed_View]

The question we should be asking is who will be the better Laker, Kobe or Reaves.

Y'all have managed to turn Reaves in the Spurstalk meme of the offseason.
Don't lump me in with that shit. :lol I only asked the question because the salaries aren't super far apart. I suspect many of the same people screeching for one hate the other.

[Mr. Body]

if i was having a night that required a guy to score 30 and win the game that way, herro by a long shot between the two

Herro is much better than Reaves.

[MannyIsGod]

Don't lump me in with that shit. :lol I only asked the question because the salaries aren't super far apart. I suspect many of the same people screeching for one hate the other.

My bad I thought you were joking. Honestly I'd rather have Reeves but Hero on this team for the right price would be a nice addition. I do think AR is the more complete player and will turn out to be better though.

[mo7888]

Don't lump me in with that shit. :lol I only asked the question because the salaries aren't super far apart. I suspect many of the same people screeching for one hate the other.

Since we couldn't get Reaves because LA was going to match the better question might be, 'what would you give up for each player'? For Reaves, I'd have given up the Charlotte pick and a couple of 2nd's if LA would have S&T'd him (I'm sure LA wouldn't do that, but thats where I'd have been willing to go). Would you give that for Herro?

[Obstructed_View]

Since we couldn't get Reaves because LA was going to match the better question might be, 'what would you give up for each player'? For Reaves, I'd have given up the Charlotte pick and a couple of 2nd's if LA would have S&T'd him (I'm sure LA wouldn't do that, but thats where I'd have been willing to go). Would you give that for Herro?
Honestly I don't know enough about either player to even guess. Like I said I was just trying to get a feel for how the numbers worked out. I trust your evaluations since you guys have all watched more non-spurs ball than I have.

[Crazymaddopeyo]

Dame's agent telling teams that if He's not on the heat he is going to be an unhappy player.

[spurraider21]

Dame's agent telling teams that if He's not on the heat he is going to be an unhappy player.
did dame not realize that he was a free agent not too long ago and could have gone anywhere he wanted?

[Mr. Body]

did dame not realize that he was a free agent not too long ago and could have gone anywhere he wanted?

He took one look at Scoot Henderson and said, "Nope."

[exstatic]

Dame's agent telling teams that if He's not on the heat he is going to be an unhappy player.

Aw, how terrible.

[exstatic]

He took one look at Scoot Henderson and said, "Nope."

Did they not know this would cause problems? Did they not know that they could trade back? Are they capable of drafting a guard over 6'3"?

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I'm not sure about Miami. Wasn't part of the reason Butler left Philly was because he didn't like playing with Simmons?

Just figured Spoelstra and Heat culture could mold him in a way only Pop and Spurs culture could. Quite frankly I'd give it a 40% chance he's mentally defeated already.

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So if roster spots were not at a premium they might ... trade for him just to keep for the expiring? That sounds prohibitively expensive.

Wasn't taking any contract status into account with that comment. Was just commenting on whether or not he even has value as a player and if there's even a destination that could still resurrect his career. Contract and cap considerations aside.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Spurs should offer 16 second round picks and a 1st round pick swap and see what the Blazers have to say.

[RC_Drunkford]

the funny thing is the Blazers are reportedly salty that Miami can't even offer them the package that the Spurs got for Dejounte Murray. Brian Wright was out here hustling :lol

[Extra Stout]

If Dejounte Murray is worth four picks Austin Reaves must be worth like eight

[exstatic]

the funny thing is the Blazers are reportedly salty that Miami can't even offer them the package that the Spurs got for Dejounte Murray. Brian Wright was out here hustling :lol

He got that deal done SO FAST, and it kind of set this inflated FRP trade market we're in.

Oh, and Portland needs to recognize that DJ was 25, and on a value deal, not 33 on an awful fucking contract. Context is important.

[spurraider21]

:lmao

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:lmao

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This tweet doesn't even make sense. How is Lillard or his agent a party to negotiations? Also, are they going to get together and create assets for Miami out of thin air?

[lefty20]

:lmao

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Already so loyal to Miami. We'll never see his like again :cry

[scott]

I am CEO of Team Herro, but I still only want him if the cost is the CHA pick. Nothing more. Perfectly keeping our powder dry for the next opportunity that comes around if the price is any higher.

[objective]

This tweet doesn't even make sense. How is Lillard or his agent a party to negotiations? Also, are they going to get together and create assets for Miami out of thin air?

I thought that Agents and players often get permission to look for deals?

In this instance I would think that maybe Miami isn't offering their full potential boat and the agent is trying to convince them to deliver all their picks, players, and swaps to get it done

[scott]

I thought that Agents and players often get permission to look for deals?

In this instance I would think that maybe Miami isn't offering their full potential boat and the agent is trying to convince them to deliver all their picks, players, and swaps to get it done

Yes, this is what agents do. They don't just sit around and wait for teams to call them and collect a 10% cut of a players earnings for doing very little work. People used to give Drew Rosenhaus shit for how he came off on TV, but he's a guy who went out and hustled to get his clients more money.

[TekXX]

At this point let's offer the same paltry offer Miami is offering and try to win Damian on Cronin's spite for Miami.

[KobesAchilles]

Tbh it sounds like we could get Dame for filler + 2FRPs the way Miami is acting. He’s worth that

[jimbo]

You do understand that he’s failing at all of that, right? They’ve been shopping him for a year because of that fact. It’s not just to trade him for lillard. He’s been on the block.

Oh, and he would absolutely fail here, which is why we wouldn’t trade for him.
He doesn't have any character concerns like Poole or issues with Miami's distractions. He just acts black and has a big dick.

He's on the block because he's the only proven asset the Heat have that can be parlayed into a better player that fits Butler's window.

[Obstructed_View]

I thought that Agents and players often get permission to look for deals?

In this instance I would think that maybe Miami isn't offering their full potential boat and the agent is trying to convince them to deliver all their picks, players, and swaps to get it done
Fair enough. So he put his current team over a barrel by announcing the only team he wants to go to, and he puts his new team over a barrel by taking as many resources away from them to get him where he wants to go. If I'm Miami I think I tell them to piss up a rope.