Charania: Spurs Have Exploratory Interest In Murray

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[Spurs Homer]

Keegan

yes!

[Mugen]

:lol That'd be hilarious tbh

[TD 21]

Meant Dejounte. Link I posted didn't seem to work; don't have time to find one that does, but it's probably in HoopsHype by now.

[Mr. Body]

Spurs have exploratory interest in Murray trade... involving Murray going to the Knicks and Evan Fournier going to the Spurs.

[cd98]

Atlanta will use Spurs to bid up asking price for Murray from another team. If they botch the Murray trade and don't get something good in return, those picks and pick swaps could be grand.

[cd98]

Spurs have exploratory interest in Murray trade... involving Murray going to the Knicks and Evan Fournier going to the Spurs.

Is their goal to get every French player on the Spurs to keep Wemby?

[RC_Drunkford]

would love to see it. Especially for the cliff jumping of the "instagram baller wanted to get traded" crew. I just don't see the Hawks trading him back to the Spurs for less than they gave us. Would be a great heist if it happens though. I'm not sending back those unprotected ATL picks.

[wildbill2u]

How about Sochan for Murray even up.

[Davidicus]

To echo another poster, please do it just so I can wear my Murray Fiesta jersey again

[r0drig0lac]

would

[NickiRasgo]

Keldon, Jeremy, Malaki, Raptors and/or Hornets 1st.

[Mugen]

Keldon, Jeremy, Malaki, Raptors and/or Hornets 1st.

What a fucking overpay :lol

[KobesAchilles]

I mean somebody has to run the spurs social media account

[TrainOfThought5]

would love to see it. Especially for the cliff jumping of the "instagram baller wanted to get traded" crew. I just don't see the Hawks trading him back to the Spurs for less than they gave us. Would be a great heist if it happens though. I'm not sending back those unprotected ATL picks.

pop has the opportunity to do the funniest thing and trade him unprotected Spurs picks in ‘25 and ‘27, and send them Sochan. We keep the tank rolling for a few more months, get Bronny James, which leads to signing Lebron James. Then sign Patty mills for the culture and contend.

[spurraider21]

based

[TekXX]

I'm just amazed that there's even a rumor of the Spurs FO getting off their asses and attempting something....we'll see what happens.

[vy65]

Don't hate it. Ultimately comes down to the price. Does our FRP this year, one of ATL's picks back (or the swap), a second or two, and Graham + McDermmot for DJ and Patty get it done? Assuming the TOR pick falls in the 7-10 range, that should give you a shot at a rookie PG who can develop behind DJ - with the downside being that you are still weak on the wing and need a 3&D player. I dunno, tough call.

[widowmaker]

What a fucking overpay :lol


Yeah wemby, johnson, vessel, sochan, the next 30 years worth of first round first overall picks.

[spurraider21]

Don't hate it. Ultimately comes down to the price. Does our FRP this year, one of ATL's picks back (or the swap), a second or two, and Graham + McDermmot for DJ and Patty get it done? Assuming the TOR pick falls in the 7-10 range, that should give you a shot at a rookie PG who can develop behind DJ - with the downside being that you are still weak on the wing and need a 3&D player. I dunno, tough call.
with murray under contract through the 26-27 season i dont think drafting a PG becomes a priority unless you think you have a special prospect. just hammer the wings. SF/PF

[Degoat]

Would it be woah crazy just trade them their picks back �� it’s like we pawned DJ off to them so we could tank for wemby that year and they kept Trae Young happy for the time being. We obviously keep our pick’s especially this years

[spurs1990]

He's saying LA wants to get him. Coach stay trying to block them from doing things

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[Dejounte]

The question is if the Spurs believe any of Topic, Dillingham, Castle, Collier will be better than Murray. If not, then I’d trade that top 6 pick for Murray tbh

[vy65]

with murray under contract through the 26-27 season i dont think drafting a PG becomes a priority unless you think you have a special prospect. just hammer the wings. SF/PF

I don't hate this roster

DJM/Tre/Blake
Vassell/Branham/Patty
Holland/Keldon/Champegnie
Sochan/Barlow
Wemby/Zollins/Bassey

Gives you more D and playmaking with the starters, slots Tre/Branham/Zollins in their rightful place. Only weak spot then is starting PF.

[Robz4000]

The question is if the Spurs believe any of Topic, Dillingham, Castle, Collier will be better than Murray. If not, then I’d trade that top 6 pick for Murray tbh

Was thinking this tbh. Keep the ATL picks for a shot at another franchise player like Flagg.

[Robz4000]

Real talk, we all know the "exploratory interest" was grandpa Pop having another senior moment because he mistook Dejounte Murray for dijon mustard.

[Spurs Homer]

not keegan?

ah fuck no

[spurraider21]

Would it be woah crazy just trade them their picks back 😅 it’s like we pawned DJ off to them so we could tank for wemby that year and they kept Trae Young happy for the time being. We obviously keep our pick’s especially this years
it would be crazy to just trade the picks back.

the hawks picks from 25-27 become way more valuable on a hawks team without murray to raise their floor

[baseline bum]

How about Sochan for Murray even up.

And then we can trade Branham for LeBron

[Dverde]

ATL leaking this hoping to boost his value. I can’t see this happening. ATL trading him back without getting both ATL picks back would be a horrible PR move for their organization. I can’t see Spurs giving both of them back without protections.

[vy65]

it would be crazy to just trade the picks back.

the hawks picks from 25-27 become way more valuable on a hawks team without murray to raise their floor

Exactly. Particularly when there isn't going to be a great market for DJM. Who are the buyers for him? LAL - they won't put Reaves in so is Russell and Hachimura better than 2 FRP? I don't know, but don't think so. GSW needs to make a move, but aren't buying DJM. Same with PHI and DAL. He could be a fit in NOLA, but I don't get the sense that they want to make a move.

[baseline bum]

I want Dejounte, but Atlanta isn't getting their 2025 back given the enormous trade value an unprotected first will have in the Cooper Flagg draft. Wouldn't be too keen on waiving the 26 pick swap either in the Boozer draft, though it's a price they'll have to pay to bring Murray back.

[baseline bum]

Would it be woah crazy just trade them their picks back �� it’s like we pawned DJ off to them so we could tank for wemby that year and they kept Trae Young happy for the time being. We obviously keep our pick’s especially this years

If Spurs are getting Murray I want the Atlanta 25 pick way more than the Spurs 24 pick.

[$pursDynasty]

True they aren't in a position of power in this. This isn't about saving face and giving them everything they gave. It is just about beating the best off they get for him. The Spurs should be cool with giving up 1 FRP and a couple of seconds.

[baseline bum]

I don't hate this roster

DJM/Tre/Blake
Vassell/Branham/Patty
Holland/Keldon/Champegnie
Sochan/Barlow
Wemby/Zollins/Bassey

Gives you more D and playmaking with the starters, slots Tre/Branham/Zollins in their rightful place. Only weak spot then is starting PF.

I hate the Branham part :lol

[vy65]

I hate the Branham part :lol

At least Forbes could shoot, sometimes ...

[mo7888]

If Spurs are getting Murray I want the Atlanta 25 pick way more than the Spurs 24 pick.

I'd probably offer the lesser of 25 and 27, the Charlotte pick back, and filler...

[Leetonidas]

Fuck it, bring him home

[baseline bum]

I'd probably offer the lesser of 25 and 27, the Charlotte pick back, and filler...

The 25 pick is completely off limits, not a chance unless Cooper Flagg blows out his knee before the trade deadline. Atlanta would want the 26 swap way more than the 27 pick most likely. I'd only offer the 25 pick for say Bridges. Love Dejounte but an unprotected 25 from a lottery team is gold.

[EricB]

How about Sochan for Murray even up.


why in the name of god would you trade Sochan

[BatManu20]

Sean Elliott situation all over again. Trade him for a year and then bring him home.

Would much rather have Trae Young obv, but that ain’t happening, so this would be the best alternative imo.

Don’t think it actually happens, but I’m all for it tbh. DJ just turned 27 years old and is entering his prime, & he’s locked up for the next 4 years on a reasonable contract. Would give us a desperately needed stable, veteran presence at the PG position and we wouldn’t have to wait for a young kid to develop. This draft class of PG’s is looking weaker and weaker by the day too. I’m all for this tbh, so long as it’s not a huge overpay. Bring him home :cry

I’d take a dead hooker at PG over what we have at this point at this point.

[mo7888]

The 25 pick is completely off limits, not a chance unless Cooper Flagg blows out his knee before the trade deadline. Atlanta would want the 26 swap way more than the 27 pick most likely. I'd only offer the 25 pick for say Bridges. Love Dejounte but an unprotected 25 from a lottery team is gold.

We've got ours and theirs in 25 and 27... I'm saying give them back whichever is lesser.... we keep the higher potentially Flagg pick..

[EricB]

Keldon, Jeremy, Malaki, Raptors and/or Hornets 1st.


why would you overpay that much

[spurraider21]

We've got ours and theirs in 25 and 27... I'm saying give them back whichever is lesser.... we keep the higher potentially Flagg pick..
even the lesser of 2025 could be a lotto pick with chances to become cooper flagg

now id like to think that the 24-25 spurs, with year 2 wemby, full season of murray, etc, wouldnt be a lotto team, but cant take anything for granted with the old man

[mo7888]

even the lesser of 2025 could be a lotto pick with chances to become cooper flagg

No... Flagg is going #1. There no way anybody passes on him...especially us..

[Dejounte]

This dude isn’t a culture fit tbh. Pass

[spurraider21]

No... Flagg is going #1. There no way anybody passes on him...especially us..
oh shit yeah, i forgot that the "lesser" thing is dictated after the lotto results.

[Seventyniner]

I just looked it up, Dejounte is averaging 38.4% on 8.2 3PA per game (34.9% 3PA rate) this season. Only 69.1% of his threes are assisted. That is legitimately dangerous and alone would help unlock the offense.

That is, if it's sustainable. His career average was 33.4% coming into this year. He is also shooting an uncharacteristically low percentage at the rim of 54.8%, compared to mid to high 60s in his last three years.

[spurraider21]

This dude isn’t a culture fit tbh. Pass
:lmao cant believe this talking point persists

hes not a cancer like james harden or a piece of shit human like miles bridges

[Spurminator]

As long as we don't actually pick with the picks.

[Davidicus]

Did we ever get close to the truth on those tweets? Seems like he was alluding to Spurs staff but to Michelle Beadle's point him and Pop seem great (with cameras on them).

[widowmaker]

And then we can trade Branham for LeBron


And wemby for thannis antenntekompo.

[Dejounte]

Wemby is ready to win. Murray would stabilize the team so much. I hope the trade interest gains traction.

[Rocalcio]

No, please, no !

[BatManu20]

Bring him home tbh :cry

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[mo7888]

Wemby is ready to win. Murray would stabilize the team so much. I hope the trade interest gains traction.

I'm curious what Atlanta wants? Are they after players to make them better now or do they want to bottom out this season and get more picks. Apparently our competitors are LA and NY... LA can offer a couple middling players and one good pick. NY basically has salary filler and several middle to late firsts. We can easily beat either package without overpaying. I do like tne idea of Murray on this team as long as the price isn't to high.

[Rocalcio]

Keldon, Jeremy, Malaki, Raptors and/or Hornets 1st.

What ? That’s more expensive than what they gave us for him, and his value decreased since that.

[Mr. Body]

Hawks can't bottom out, they don't own their picks the next three years. This year is their only hope but it's too late to tank.

[mo7888]

Bring him home tbh :cry

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Good stuff

[mo7888]

Hawks can't bottom out, they don't own their picks the next three years. This year is their only hope but it's too late to tank.

By bottom out, I mean just this season. Rest Trae etc...try and get as much out of this pick as possible.. they're bottom 7 right now and bottom 5 is within reach.

[spurraider21]

What ? That’s more expensive than what they gave us for him, and his value decreased since that.
thats definitely not more expensive

[jeebus]

And then we can trade Branham for LeBron
Throw in a FRP and it's a true spurstalk trade. "Austin Daye and a first rounder for Kevin Durant. Who says no?"

[Rocalcio]

thats definitely not more expensive

Read again

[spurraider21]

Read again
i did. you called the proposed offer more expensive than what we got for him

it's not

[Dverde]

Spurs should trade for Patty and tell Shams DJM was added to the trade as salary filler.

[itzsoweezee]

Hell no. God I hate this stupid shit.

You’ve got a superstar and a pretty good group of assets. Do better, front office.

[SpurSpike]

Spurs: Dejounte, Mills

Atlanta: McDermott, Graham, 24 toronto 1st round pick, 25 Bulls 1st round pick, 24 Lakers 2nd round pick, 25 Bulls 2nd round pick

[CorrectCrusader]

would love to see it. Especially for the cliff jumping of the "instagram baller wanted to get traded" crew. I just don't see the Hawks trading him back to the Spurs for less than they gave us. Would be a great heist if it happens though. I'm not sending back those unprotected ATL picks.

It makes sense if you consider it like a rental.

[mo7888]

Spurs: Dejounte, Mills

Atlanta: McDermott, Graham, 24 toronto 1st round pick, 25 Bulls 1st round pick, 24 Lakers 2nd round pick, 25 Bulls 2nd round pick

I'd absolutely do that..

[Robz4000]

Spurs: Dejounte, Mills

Atlanta: McDermott, Graham, 24 toronto 1st round pick, 25 Bulls 1st round pick, 24 Lakers 2nd round pick, 25 Bulls 2nd round pick


I'd absolutely do that..

All 2025 FRPs/swaps should be off the table imo.

[cd98]

Hawks will want an all-star level player. They are trying to win, not get lottery picks and rebuild.

[spurraider21]

All 2025 FRPs/swaps should be off the table imo.
could trade them the lesser of 2025 picks

basically convert the pick they gave us to a swap in our favor

[$pursDynasty]

I'm curious what Atlanta wants? Are they after players to make them better now or do they want to bottom out this season and get more picks. Apparently our competitors are LA and NY... LA can offer a couple middling players and one good pick. NY basically has salary filler and several middle to late firsts. We can easily beat either package without overpaying. I do like tne idea of Murray on this team as long as the price isn't to high.
THIS ^^^ This isn't about a regrettable trade in the past it is about getting the best possible return. We can beat anything any other interested party would offer without wildly over paying. Just be smart. They can have the Raptors 1st, any 2nd rounders they want, even a Spurs own pick say three years from now.

[Robz4000]

could trade them the lesser of 2025 picks

basically convert the pick they gave us to a swap in our favor

:tu

[Mr. Body]

Hawks will want an all-star level player. They are trying to win, not get lottery picks and rebuild.

Right. Everyone here trying to send scraps and bad picks. Atlanta wants to climb out of mediocrity. They want to balance the team better. I'm not really sure who's out there to be had. Siakam is obviously on the market, LaVine, but he doesn't make much sense.

What they aren't trying to do is tank the next few years and trade a good player for nothing.

[itzsoweezee]

ATL wildly overpaid for DJM. Basing a trade back with the original trade as a starting point of comparison is dumb.

[CorrectCrusader]

ATL wildly overpaid for DJM. Basing a trade back with the original trade as a starting point of comparison is dumb.

Only idiots online are doing that. Atlanta has gotten 1 and a half seasons of usage from him. His value has gone down based on that fact alone.

[vy65]

Bring him home tbh :cry

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Why are the Hawks in town? That's weird.

[mo7888]

Only idiots online are doing that. Atlanta has gotten 1 and a half seasons of usage from him. His value has gone down based on that fact alone.

Also they got him at around $17M/yr and his new contract averages about $29M/yr...

[SpurSpike]

Hawks will want an all-star level player. They are trying to win, not get lottery picks and rebuild.

They can always trade the picks they get for a player they want. Perhaps they would prefer later draft picks then, though they would be crazy not to go for the Toronto 24 1st imo. Atlanta needs shooting and defense and McDermott and Graham can at least do half of that lol...

Something like

Spurs: Dejounte, Mills

Atlanta: McDermott, Graham, 27 hawks 1st (Pacer's swap less favorable), 27 Spurs 1st, 25 Bulls 2nd, 27 Spurs 2nd, 26 Pacers/Heat 2nd

I think the other trade i proposed is better for both teams though just depends if they want to use the picks or have them available to trade over the next year or so.

[$pursDynasty]

ATL wildly overpaid for DJM. Basing a trade back with the original trade as a starting point of comparison is dumb.

True, but in theory if all the Spurs did was trade DJM to be bad enough to get Wemby and then trade everything back it would still be a net win for the Spurs...BUT the Hawks gave away so much and could be so bad, why negate all the positive we got out of the trade by giving everything back? That being said getting DJM back would greatly improve our team and realistically shouldn't cost too much if the Hawks are reasonable. If they want to end the DJM experiment the Spurs should be first in line.

[objective]

Murray has proven he can't really throw lob passes

He excels at bounce passes waist high. Good for LMA mid range jumpers but not so great for Wemby who desperately needs someone who can get the passes up in the air.

[BatManu20]

Any hypothetical Dejounte trade with ATL would not be complete if we don’t bring Patty Mills back along with him tbh. Need Patty back in SA. Would be awesome. I know he’s close to the end of his career, but he’s still got some juice left. Would fit in nicely with Wemby and would give us some much-needed shooting.

[vy65]

Right. Everyone here trying to send scraps and bad picks. Atlanta wants to climb out of mediocrity. They want to balance the team better. I'm not really sure who's out there to be had. Siakam is obviously on the market, LaVine, but he doesn't make much sense.

What they aren't trying to do is tank the next few years and trade a good player for nothing.

Doesn't matter what they want, if they're trading DJM, they're gonna have to deal with the fact that there really isn't a market for him. Also, any spurs package that includes ATL's own pick(s) back to them is way more valuable, regardless of the floatsam attached to make the salaries work, because it affords ATL more room to rebuild.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Any hypothetical Dejounte trade with ATL would not be complete if we don’t bring Patty Mills along with him tbh. Need Patty back in SA. Would be awesome. I know he’s close to the end of his career, but he’s still got some juice left. Would fit in nicely with Wemby and would give us some much-needed shooting.

That would actually be pretty awesome.

Feels like the Spurs young guys would benefit from Patty's 2014 championship pedigree rubbing off on them (and not in a Josh Primo kind of way).

[CGD]

Real talk, we all know the "exploratory interest" was grandpa Pop having another senior moment because he mistook Dejounte Murray for dijon mustard.

Jesus dude

[tim_duncan_fan]

Eh.

Hasn't this dude been giving people like SJax and Matt Barnes the energy that he hated it here?

[Mr. Body]

Doesn't matter what they want, if they're trading DJM, they're gonna have to deal with the fact that there really isn't a market for him. Also, any spurs package that includes ATL's own pick(s) back to them is way more valuable, regardless of the floatsam attached to make the salaries work, because it affords ATL more room to rebuild.

Lol then they won't trade him.

People on here playing EA video games once again.

[CGD]

Spurs: Dejounte, Mills

Atlanta: McDermott, Graham, 24 toronto 1st round pick, 25 Bulls 1st round pick, 24 Lakers 2nd round pick, 25 Bulls 2nd round pick

This is in the ballpark. No way in hell theyre getting theyre firsts back. Those are too valuable right now. I'd also put protections on the CHI pick, something like least favorable for Spurs and Chicago FRPs or something like that. They can have the CHA pick back, lol

[onechance87]

Lol then they won't trade him.

People on here playing EA video games once again.

and they can keep sucking with him for the next few years....There rivals in the east have
got so much better with pacers,magic,knicks even chicago...They have to make a move

[spurraider21]

Eh.

Hasn't this dude been giving people like SJax and Matt Barnes the energy that he hated it here?
anyone who sits in a room with SJax is going to get a million questions like "doesnt pop suck?" and "tell us about how uncomfortable it is with the spurs and how they limit your success" and he's going to ask a shitload of leading questions to try to get you to say something. its inevitable that you will say something that irked you

i remember watching that dejounte interview in full and thought he was generally complimentary of pop and the org. of course nobody is going to be 100% happy anywhere.

[Mugen]

I wonder if this will hit 10 pages before people realize it isn't gonna happen tbh :lol

[vy65]

anyone who sits in a room with SJax is going to get a million questions like "doesnt pop suck?" and "tell us about how uncomfortable it is with the spurs and how they limit your success" and he's going to ask a shitload of leading questions to try to get you to say something. its inevitable that you will say something that irked you

i remember watching that dejounte interview in full and thought he was generally complimentary of pop and the org. of course nobody is going to be 100% happy anywhere.

I want him back, at the right cost, but I think there's more smoke there than you think:

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To be clear, DJM's not all that wrong here

[spurraider21]

I want him back, at the right cost, but I think there's more smoke there than you think:

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To be clear, DJM's not all that wrong here
everybody knows he's a petty drama queen on social media

[Seventyniner]

This is in the ballpark. No way in hell theyre getting theyre firsts back. Those are too valuable right now. I'd also put protections on the CHI pick, something like least favorable for Spurs and Chicago FRPs or something like that. They can have the CHA pick back, lol

There's no way the Hawks trade Dejounte for just salary filler + protected firsts + seconds. Especially since they don't control their own draft from 2025-2027.

I think something like Keldon + CHI 1st + one of ATL's picks back (2025 or 2027) is the minimum they would consider. Remember that the Spurs are not the only team that will send offers.

Though I do think the Spurs are on a good future trajectory with respect to cap sheet and picks. They shouldn't break the bank getting Dejounte imo.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I wonder if this will hit 10 pages before people realize it isn't gonna happen tbh :lol

Whoever said San Antonio is just in the conversation to help drive up the price is exactly right. Murray, in spite of his limitations, would be a huge addition for this group, but, yeah, it's a big stretch to believe that will actually happen.

Wright's only good at trading away good players for future potential. With Wemby interested in winning, I'm curious to see if this long-term plan sticks, or if some immediate improvements start to be made. Hopefully when the franchise player is begging for some help, and obviously trying to win games now, that his FO will respond. Otherwise his stint in SA could follow the way of Shaq's time in Orlando.

[BatManu20]

I wonder if this will hit 10 pages before people realize it isn't gonna happen tbh :lol

Yea unlikely for sure. Topic or Collier will prob be our next PG. Not super thrilled about either prospect though personally tbh.

[RC_Drunkford]

I think the only way this happens is if it's a 3-team deal. There's nobody on our roster (except Wemby and Devin) that the Hawks would want. They would have to find a tanking team that has a player the Hawks want and that team would re-route DJ to San Antonio for draft picks

[BatManu20]

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[vy65]

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I'd take Schoeder off TOR's hands

[tbdog]

I wouldn't be surprised if hawks just want players and picks. They probably want Johnson and Jones/Collins to start for example. Or more likely Vassell. Just imo.

[itzsoweezee]

Spurs should be building to a championship, not mediocrity. This would be Dallas-level incompetence

[Spurs Homer]

Murray already blew out a foot and is lucky to have kept SOME athleticism…

resigning damaged goods is always a bad idea

pass

[The Truth #6]

Sounds like exploratory surgery looking for cancer. Joking. Still seems like a long shot.

[NASpurs]

I'd take Schoeder off TOR's hands

For a short-term rental while the Spurs bring up a drafted PG, sounds good to me.

[scott]

Reminder that the price ATL paid for DJM was two unprotected FRPs, one protected pick swap, one lotto-protected FRP from a team who's playoff chances are dubious.

I think we can all agree that DJM's value has only gone down since this point, by how much is the question. Even if you view the original trade as a rental, rentals still have a cost. My estimate is that DJM's value is approximately half.

I'd offer our '27 FRP (unprotected) plus the CHI pick. They can have any of our scrub ass players they want outside of Wemby, Devin, Keldon, Tre. If they want Sochan, reduce the CHI pick to the CHA pick and two SRPs.

[SupremeGuy]

Depends on the price and whatnot.

[cd98]

This reeks of the trades, like the Ayton trade and many others that get rumors but are not even on the same planetary system of the truth. If anything, this is Atlanta trying to bid up the asking price by implying that the Spurs want him back. There is no better way to bid up his trade value than act like a team with a bunch of picks, salary cap space, and young players wants him. That's the way to get the players they want from the Lakers.

[mo7888]

This reeks of the trades, like the Ayton trade and many others that get rumors but are not even on the same planetary system of the truth. If anything, this is Atlanta trying to bid up the asking price by implying that the Spurs want him back. There is no better way to bid up his trade value than act like a team with a bunch of picks, salary cap space, and young players wants him. That's the way to get the players they want from the Lakers.

What would they want from the Lakers?

[baseline bum]

Throw in a FRP and it's a true spurstalk trade. "Austin Daye and a first rounder for Kevin Durant. Who says no?"

Would have to be the Charlotte pick tbh

[Mr. Body]

Thinking who may actually be in the market for DJM here. A team like Houston may be a sly, unexpected one, really improve their defense and point of attack options, maybe move off Jalen Green, that sort of thing.

Note that Atlanta DOESN'T HAVE TO trade Dejounte. It's just them exploring shaking things up. You're not getting him for nothing; they'd just keep him. But some of these younger teams could use him. Lots of teams could use him.

[mo7888]

Thinking who may actually be in the market for DJM here. A team like Houston may be a sly, unexpected one, really improve their defense and point of attack options, maybe move off Jalen Green, that sort of thing.

Note that Atlanta DOESN'T HAVE TO trade Dejounte. It's just them exploring shaking things up. You're not getting him for nothing; they'd just keep him. But some of these younger teams could use him. Lots of teams could use him.

There have been rumbling of Houston moving on from Green. I'd kinda like that because he doesn't move the needle for them next year. Atl might like ot because he won't hurt their tank for the current season....I could see that..

[Spurminator]

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To be clear, DJM's not all that wrong here

"..and we're building around Keldon."

:lol That burn attempt was bad enough on its own, and it's aged even worse.

[baseline bum]

Spurs: Dejounte, Mills

Atlanta: McDermott, Graham, 24 toronto 1st round pick, 25 Bulls 1st round pick, 24 Lakers 2nd round pick, 25 Bulls 2nd round pick



I'd absolutely do that..

I would too. Why in the hell would Atlanta though?

[baseline bum]

All 2025 FRPs/swaps should be off the table imo.

The Chicago pick is protected anyways.

[LeBowen]

Thinking who may actually be in the market for DJM here. A team like Houston may be a sly, unexpected one, really improve their defense and point of attack options, maybe move off Jalen Green, that sort of thing.

Note that Atlanta DOESN'T HAVE TO trade Dejounte. It's just them exploring shaking things up. You're not getting him for nothing; they'd just keep him. But some of these younger teams could use him. Lots of teams could use him.

They don't have to, but they have to do something.
They're 14-21 with no signs of improvement. They traded away their picks and it's obvious Trae and DJ aren't that good of a fit together.
Bogdanovic is their other valuable player, but he's 31 and on a bargain contract, they don't want to trade him away.
Jalen Johnson seems untouchable because he's been the brightest spot of their season outside of Trae doing his thing.
Noone else has much value. Hunter's value tanked a bit.

Imo, I can see a three team trade happening.
They want Siakam, but I don't think Toronto wants Murray, they want to rebuild.

Since this year's class is bad, I'd give Toronto their pick back if they take Collins and Granham's contracts.
And give Atlanta their swap back, along with Chicago or Charlotte pick. Then they can figure out what they're willing to give up for Siakam.

On our side it would be Toronto pick, Hawks swap and one of Chicago/Charlotte for Murray, with Collins and Granham salaries going out.
Take it or leave it, Spurs don't have to do this, Hawks and Raptors are both in a bad spot.

[TD 21]

I actually heard this 1-2 weeks ago, but didn't post it because I wasn't sold on the source.

I don't like a lot of the fit: Another string bean, who can't get to the rim/line, average play making and though an improved 3-point shooter, not quite a spacer.

But, to play devil's advocate: You can't check every box, he's probably the best they can realistically do anytime soon overall and they'd still have surplus picks.

Even if they select a Topic or whoever, it'll likely be at least a few years before him or that player is ready to begin impacting winning. They can't wait that long.

The Hawks would have to swallow their pride (though they might insist on one of their picks back to attempt to somewhat save face), but if the Spurs are motivated enough, they can easily beat the best offer of the Knicks, Lakers and whoever else might realistically get involved.



I'm curious what Atlanta wants? Are they after players to make them better now or do they want to bottom out this season and get more picks. Apparently our competitors are LA and NY... LA can offer a couple middling players and one good pick. NY basically has salary filler and several middle to late firsts. We can easily beat either package without overpaying. I do like tne idea of Murray on this team as long as the price isn't to high.

They want quality draft equity + salary relief to attempt to reload one last time around Young (and Johnson) before the time inevitably comes to part ways.



Spurs: Dejounte, Mills

Atlanta: McDermott, Graham, 24 toronto 1st round pick, 25 Bulls 1st round pick, 24 Lakers 2nd round pick, 25 Bulls 2nd round pick

This is along the lines of what I suspect it'd take.

[Dejounte]

According to the Hawks forum insider, the Spurs interest is legit

https://www.hawksquawk.net/topic/437784-hawks-looking-to-trade/page/123/#comments

[baseline bum]

There's no way the Hawks trade Dejounte for just salary filler + protected firsts + seconds. Especially since they don't control their own draft from 2025-2027.

I think something like Keldon + CHI 1st + one of ATL's picks back (2025 or 2027) is the minimum they would consider. Remember that the Spurs are not the only team that will send offers.

Though I do think the Spurs are on a good future trajectory with respect to cap sheet and picks. They shouldn't break the bank getting Dejounte imo.

The 25 pick is completely off limits unless they're trading Trae. That's the kind of piece you can cash in for a star when teams will be falling over themselves to tank for Cooper Flagg.

[mo7888]

I would too. Why in the hell would Atlanta though?

They wouldn't. It'll take more...

[mo7888]

I actually heard this 1-2 weeks ago, but didn't post it because I wasn't sold on the source.

I don't like a lot of the fit: Another string bean, who can't get to the rim/line, average play making and though an improved 3-point shooter, not quite a spacer.

But, to play devil's advocate: You can't check every box, he's probably the best they can realistically do anytime soon overall and they'd still have surplus picks.

Even if they select a Topic or whoever, it'll likely be at least a few years before him or that player is ready to begin impacting winning. They can't wait that long.

The Hawks would have to swallow their pride (though they might insist on one of their picks back to attempt to somewhat save face), but if the Spurs are motivated enough, they can easily beat the best offer of the Knicks, Lakers and whoever else might realistically get involved.




They want quality draft equity + salary relief to attempt to reload one last time around Young (and Johnson) before the time inevitably comes to part ways.




This is along the lines of what I suspect it'd take.

That we can provide...

[mo7888]

According to the Hawks forum insider, the Spurs interest is legit

https://www.hawksquawk.net/topic/437784-hawks-looking-to-trade/page/123/#comments

Grimes + Fournier + middling picks almost got done today? Am i reading that right?

[baseline bum]

Grimes + Fournier + middling picks almost got done today? Am i reading that right?

Holy shit Grimes is like their Branham and Fournier is like their second Branham.

[RC_Drunkford]

Grimes + Fournier + middling picks almost got done today? Am i reading that right?

if that's all it takes then the price is extremely low :lol That doesn't even sound halfway realistic. Spurs could easily send them Branham, the CHA pick, CHI pick and two 2nds to beat that.


Holy shit Grimes is like their Branham and Fournier is like their second Branham.

it's like Branham and one of Graham/McDermott/Collins

[TD 21]

Grimes + Fournier + middling picks almost got done today? Am i reading that right?

Yeah, that was the obvious Knicks offer. Spurs don't have a young, inexpensive, 3 and D guard like Grimes, who'd be a nice fit alongside Young, but he's not so enticing so where the Spurs advantage in quality of draft equity couldn't swing it in their favor.

Also, I don't think Murray would markedly improve the Knicks, but it wouldn't behoove the Hawks, who are looking to re-tool, to potentially further strengthen a second tier East team.

[baseline bum]

Yeah, that was the obvious Knicks offer. Spurs don't have a young, inexpensive, 3 and D guard like Grimes, who'd be a nice fit alongside Young, but he's not so enticing so where the Spurs advantage in quality of draft equity couldn't swing it in their favor.

Also, I don't think Murray would markedly improve the Knicks, but it wouldn't behoove the Hawks, who are looking to re-tool, to potentially further strengthen a second tier East team.

Grimes can shoot the three ok but he's hideous defensively.

[Dejounte]

Bring Him Home

Going To Talk In All Caps To Bring Good Juju And As Part Of The Witchcraft To Summon A Dejounte Trade

[Joseph Kony]

Murray is not the best option but if the price is right, fuck it, go for it. dude knows Pop and how to play in his system, he is a great rebounder which we fucking blow at, he can actual set guys up, and he's on a fairly solid deal for a few more years. he's increased his three point shooting volume and accuracy tremendously. I'd love to see what DJ looks like with a real big to lob it to.

Get it done Brian

[Dverde]

Thinking who may actually be in the market for DJM here. A team like Houston may be a sly, unexpected one, really improve their defense and point of attack options, maybe move off Jalen Green, that sort of thing.

Note that Atlanta DOESN'T HAVE TO trade Dejounte. It's just them exploring shaking things up. You're not getting him for nothing; they'd just keep him. But some of these younger teams could use him. Lots of teams could use him.

I could see him going to The Heat. They got the corpse of Kyle Lowry which they can buy out to help tank for this years draft pick.

[Dejounte]

Murray is not the best option but if the price is right, fuck it, go for it. dude knows Pop and how to play in his system, he is a great rebounder which we fucking blow at, he can actual set guys up, and he's on a fairly solid deal for a few more years. I'd love to see what DJ looks like with a real big to lob it to.

Get it done Brian

The Real Benefit Here Is His Leadership. He Would Yell At The Dumbass Players Who Arent Boxing Out

[baseline bum]

If that Knicks offer is the market the Spurs could easily swoop in with Atlanta's 27 unprotected, the Chicago pick, the two Charlotte seconds, Graham and his unguaranteed 24-25 money, and more crap for matching.

[mo7888]

Grimes can shoot the three ok but he's hideous defensively.

Cedi is a better player than Grimes...

[Joseph Kony]

timvp needs to get in here and give us the scoop

[TD 21]

Grimes can shoot the three ok but he's hideous defensively.

Estimated Plus-Minus (EPM) (dunksandthrees.com) (https://dunksandthrees.com/epm)

[mo7888]

If that Knicks offer is the market the Spurs could easily swoop in with Atlanta's 27 unprotected, the Chicago pick, the two Charlotte seconds, Graham and his unguaranteed 24-25 money, and more crap for matching.

Exactly... if that's the market then there's real smoke here...

[baseline bum]

Estimated Plus-Minus (EPM) (dunksandthrees.com) (https://dunksandthrees.com/epm)

His DFG is Sochan level bad

[Davidicus]

Murray is not the best option but if the price is right, fuck it, go for it. dude knows Pop and how to play in his system, he is a great rebounder which we fucking blow at, he can actual set guys up, and he's on a fairly solid deal for a few more years. he's increased his three point shooting volume and accuracy tremendously. I'd love to see what DJ looks like with a real big to lob it to.

Get it done Brian

You forgot perimeter D. Wemby and DJ on defense would be so fun to watch.

[baseline bum]

Exactly... if that's the market then there's real smoke here...

JFC if the Spurs could get unprotected 25 and 26 firsts from a strongly downward trending team all for letting Atlanta have Dejounte for a year and a half to allow the tank for Wemby

[jeebus]

timvp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8) needs to get in here and give us the scoop

It still hurts.

[itzsoweezee]

You forgot perimeter D. Wemby and DJ on defense would be so fun to watch.

DJ is not the defender he once was. Not even close. Watch the next hawks game

[TD 21]

His DFG is Sochan level bad

You're reading too much into that.

The link I posted is considered one of the most credible publicly available sources for advanced stats from people within' the league.

[Dejounte]

The Prodigal Son Would Be The Perfect Mentor For Blake Wesley Tbh. The Passing Of The Torch Would Be Seamless And Organic. With Wesley Already Here And If He Reaches His Potential With Murray Mentoring Him, We Wouldn’t Need To Worry About The Age Gap Between Murray And Wemby.

[baseline bum]

timvp needs to get in here and give us the scoop

Hell naw, call Don Harris and see if he can get a line on TSpence to give us the scoop

[jeebus]

I would too. Why in the hell would Atlanta though?

They'd do that if they're into bdsm and getting publicly humiliated.

[NASpurs]

The Prodigal Son Would Be The Perfect Mentor For Blake Wesley Tbh. The Passing Of The Torch Would Be Seamless And Organic. With Wesley Already Here And If He Reaches His Potential With Murray Mentoring Him, We Wouldn’t Need To Worry About The Age Gap Between Murray And Wemby.

Why Are You Typing Like This? :lol

[Davidicus]

DJ is not the defender he once was. Not even close. Watch the next hawks game

I will. Quick search around the internet mentions perhaps playing alongside Tre, fans complaining about ATL defensive gameplans / coaching, and overall defensive intensity on ATL squad. I’m skeptical that’s it’s actually physical, he’s still only 27 years old.

[cd98]

What would they want from the Lakers?

I'd bet they'd want Austin Reeves, maybe another player like Christian Woods or some other roster spot plus they would probably ask for the Lakers' unprotected pick that the Lakers have tried to avoid in any deal.

[RC_Drunkford]

Why Are You Typing Like This? :lol

That's how DJ types when he posts on social media

[spurraider21]

so yesterday the meme was moneyball when it came to playing Tre

today, the meme will be Atlanta undoing the trade like in Draft Day. undo the original trade + we pay even more :lol

[spurraider21]

I'd bet they'd want Austin Reeves, maybe another player like Christian Woods or some other roster spot plus they would probably ask for the Lakers' unprotected pick that the Lakers have tried to avoid in any deal.
the earliest pick the lakers can move is 2029 lol. doubt ATL wants to wait that long if they want to build around Tre

[NASpurs]

That's how DJ types when he posts on social media

That shit is annoying, good thing I don't follow him then. :lol

[mudd]

leadership, defense , rebounding, offense, he would take the wemby project to overdrive and get him the roty.. do something wright Brian..

[cd98]

the earliest pick the lakers can move is 2029 lol. doubt ATL wants to wait that long if they want to build around Tre

Well they can easily use Austin Reeves plus one other player and if they get that pick, they can flip it for something else or hold on to it and see if it turns into gold down the road. It will be a highly tradeable pick for the next two years for sure.

[poopbox]

Atlanta will use Spurs to bid up asking price for Murray from another team. If they botch the Murray trade and don't get something good in return, those picks and pick swaps could be grand.

Makes no sense because the spurs have a vested interest in murray getting traded AND for the hawks to get bad, so don't see how they can be a team that will up the asking price by the Hawks.

Hey Lakers...you better pay up for Dejounte, otherwise we going to send him to the team thats wants us to be bad cause they have our future picks.

[poopbox]

DJ is not the defender he once was. Not even close. Watch the next hawks game

No one is a good defender next to Trae. He doesn't even try. Hunter is also exceptionally bad. So is Johnson. Dejounte is still good defensively but he not good enough to cover for three guys. Capella has fallen off a the cliff as a rim protector. Put Dejounte on the floor with Wemby and Devin...in probably 30 games they'd be a top 10 defensive lineup.

Nothing he going to do playing with Doug, Cedi, and Keldon on the floor. They are all time bad. Peak defensive Kawhi couldn't save that lineup.

[cd98]

Makes no sense because the spurs have a vested interest in murray getting traded AND for the hawks to get bad, so don't see how they can be a team that will up the asking price by the Hawks.

Hey Lakers...you better pay up for Dejounte, otherwise we going to send him to the team thats wants us to be bad cause they have our future picks.

no, they’ll say the Spurs are offering KJ, two unprotected first round picks and 3 2nd picks. They could get some or all of their picks back from the Spurs. But I don’t think they want picks. I think they want players and picks they can flip for good players. They want in the playoffs.

[spurraider21]

this one seems way more speculative

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[vy65]

According to that Hawks forum, this is what they think the offers are:


Rumored trade offers Ive seen

Knicks

Grimes + Sims+ Fournier(expiring) + picks

Only consider this if Grimes can defend POA and we get one the Knicks OWN picks..

Sixers

Melton + Reed + picks

Melton would be a decent fit beside Trae tbh..

And Reed brings toughness up front..

I actually kinda like the Sixers deal .. But the picks would probably suck..

I do like the Clippers 2028 pick & Philly’s 2029 with swap rights with Clippers, but the only other 1st rd pick is likely OKC’s in 2026. I doubt Philly would put all those on the table..

Pels

Murphy + Jones + picks(I cant see them giving up both Murphy and Jones) more likely Murphy + Kyra Lewis or Dyson Daniels

Id take this deal

What are the Spurs offering? ��

I mean, lol that NOLA trade. Might as well throw in Zion and BI too.

Reading their forum, the picks and swaps is their holocaust. Which makes me inclined to only agree to a package that does not include those or any '25 FRPs for the reasons BB has pointed out.

Another thought - does it make sense for ATL to try a mini 1 year tank since they own thier pick this year (I think). Outside of the spurs giving them their picks back, it doesn't make much sense for the Hawks to accumulate future trade capital since we own their picks over the next few years. Yes, I get that they would want to offset the harm of giving us their picks by getting some of their own, but it makes more sense to try to be as competitive as possible to minimize the harm of giving us those picks in the first place. And on that front, apparently Siakam has told ATL that he won't resign, which will kill the TOR deal. I don't really see the NYK/LAL packages as being all that great. NOLA still lurks though.

[timtonymanu]

F* Murray. But I would take him with open arms at this point. Lol

[vy65]

this one seems way more speculative

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Hope ole Dukes is right

[TD 21]

That Pelicans trade doesn't work, they have no realistic way to match salary period and no way a team as desperate as they are for shooting would trade Murphy.

[onechance87]

1744694319116603603

Hope ole Dukes is right

where the hell does pascall want to sign at

[RC_Drunkford]

the thing is when the Spurs traded Murray he was an All-Star and those got traded for 4-5 first round picks that summer (Utah with Gobert and Mitchell). Since then most teams ran out of picks which made 2nd rounders become a lot more valuable and DJ ain't an All-Star anymore, so that has to drive the price down. What the Spurs can also offer is to eliminate the 26 swap. I'd still try to keep both ATL picks though and definitely all the 25 ones, cause there's a huge chance to strike gold there.

DJ would be a game changer, but the Spurs can't blow all their assets in one move. We don't really have that many first round picks like OKC. We got a lot of swaps and seconds though.

[mo7888]

no, they’ll say the Spurs are offering KJ, two unprotected first round picks and 3 2nd picks. They could get some or all of their picks back from the Spurs. But I don’t think they want picks. I think they want players and picks they can flip for good players. They want in the playoffs.

They jave like rhe 7th worst record right now and this is the last year they control their pick until 2028. I think they want picks and to get this years pick as high as possible so they have capital this summer. I think thats why the Fournier + Grimes deal thats so bad is being considered.

[baseline bum]

the thing is when the Spurs traded Murray he was an All-Star and those got traded for 4-5 first round picks that summer (Utah with Gobert and Mitchell). Since then most teams ran out of picks which made 2nd rounders become a lot more valuable and DJ ain't an All-Star anymore, so that has to drive the price down. What the Spurs can also offer is to eliminate the 26 swap. I'd still try to keep both ATL picks though and definitely all the 25 ones, cause there's a huge chance to strike gold there.

DJ would be a game changer, but the Spurs can't blow all their assets in one move. We don't really have that many first round picks like OKC. We got a lot of swaps and seconds though.

I'd rather keep the 26 swap than the 27 pick considering Boozer is in the 26 class

[RC_Drunkford]

I'd rather keep the 26 swap than the 27 pick considering Boozer is in the 26 class

Oh I thought he's in the 25 class too. Yeah, then rather give them back 27

[spurraider21]

where the hell does pascall want to sign at
possibly philly?

[spurraider21]

the thing is when the Spurs traded Murray he was an All-Star and those got traded for 4-5 first round picks that summer (Utah with Gobert and Mitchell). Since then most teams ran out of picks which made 2nd rounders become a lot more valuable and DJ ain't an All-Star anymore, so that has to drive the price down. What the Spurs can also offer is to eliminate the 26 swap. I'd still try to keep both ATL picks though and definitely all the 25 ones, cause there's a huge chance to strike gold there.

DJ would be a game changer, but the Spurs can't blow all their assets in one move. We don't really have that many first round picks like OKC. We got a lot of swaps and seconds though.
DJ under contract for 3 full seasons after this year on a bargain deal makes him pretty damn attractive tho. at the time he was traded, most people thought he would wait till free agency and max out for closer to 40m/year

[Chomag]

Yall really think that this Lazy FO is actually going get off their ass and actually GM? Now that's funny

[baseline bum]

possibly philly?

Yeah Philly is going to have enormous capspace, somewhere around $60-65 million even after signing Maxey.

[spurraider21]

Oh I thought he's in the 25 class too. Yeah, then rather give them back 27
spurs can just offer them the worst of the 25 picks to ensure they still maximize chance of Flagg. give back 27 outright.

thats still 2 FRP right there. this way hawks can still tank into a decent pick in a shit 2024 draft, they will still get a FRP in 2025, still have the lesser of the 2026 picks per the swap, and get their original 2027 pick back

add in the fake charlotte pick, branham + graham for salary

[spurraider21]

Yeah Philly is going to have enormous capspace, somewhere around $60-65 million even after signing Maxey.
not to mention they can take advantage of maxey's cap hold being lower than what he's going to sign for, same way spurs were able to squeeze in aldridge signing before re-signing kawhi

[baseline bum]

spurs can just offer them the worst of the 25 picks to ensure they still maximize chance of Flagg. give back 27 outright.

thats still 2 FRP right there. this way hawks can still tank into a decent pick in a shit 2024 draft, they will still get a FRP in 2025, still have the lesser of the 2026 picks per the swap, and get their original 2027 pick back

add in the fake charlotte pick, branham + graham for salary

Those are definitely two better firsts than they'll get out of the Knicks. I want Patty too though if they're getting a 25 first which should still be decent. Much rather have him backing up Devin than fucking Branham.

[rascal]

Everyone trying to see how the Spurs can rip the Hawks off again.

The Hawks won't be giving him away to the spurs after their bad trade with the Spurs the first time.

[scott]

LOL @ that Hawks forum someone posted. They thing we should give them all their picks back and the swap should go the other way. Basically, that we should pay them for letting them have Murray for 2 years :lol

Nothing to this point has moved me off of my original thoughts at an offer:

SA '27 FRP (Unprotected)
CHI Pick
Anyone who isn't Wemby, Devin, Keldon, Tre.

If they want Sochan, downgrade the CHI pick to the CHA pick plus two more SRPs.

I also thought about making the '27 pick the lesser of SA or ATL, but I think ATL needs a little bit of upside and I'm definitely not offering them the best of the two. I also am betting that we'll be good by 2027.

[baseline bum]

not to mention they can take advantage of maxey's cap hold being lower than what he's going to sign for, same way spurs were able to squeeze in aldridge signing before re-signing kawhi

I was figuring that in. I'm rusty on my CBA knowledge but remember cap hold used to be 150% of previous year salary but could swear there are situations it can go to 200%. Even if it has moved to 200% that only chops a couple million off their capspace though.

[My Fault]

Getting Murray back is simply the night is ending and you’re desperate to not go home alone, desperate for that ROY as if it’s the most important thing :lol

[baseline bum]

Everyone trying to see how the Spurs can rip the Hawks off again.

The Hawks won't be giving him away to the spurs after their bad trade with the Spurs the first time.

Maybe not but the Spurs can easily destroy that Knicks offer without giving up either the 25 pick, the 26 swap, or even Keldon.

[baseline bum]

Getting Murray back is simply the night is ending and you’re desperate to not go home alone, desperate for that ROY as if it’s the most important thing :lol

Disagree. He's on a great contract and looks to be available for pennies on the dollar.

[spurraider21]

I was figuring that in. I'm rusty on my CBA knowledge but remember cap hold used to be 150% of previous year salary but could swear there are situations it can go to 200%. Even if it has moved to 200% that only chops a couple million off their capspace though.
his cap hold will be 13mil per spotrac

[RC_Drunkford]

spurs can just offer them the worst of the 25 picks to ensure they still maximize chance of Flagg. give back 27 outright.

thats still 2 FRP right there. this way hawks can still tank into a decent pick in a shit 2024 draft, they will still get a FRP in 2025, still have the lesser of the 2026 picks per the swap, and get their original 2027 pick back

add in the fake charlotte pick, branham + graham for salary

how deep is that 2025 draft though? I don't know much about it, aside from there being a lot of hype about that class and multiple firsts might help us to trade up

[spurraider21]

how deep is that 2025 draft though? I don't know much about it, aside from there being a lot of hype about that class and multiple firsts might help us to trade up
i dont know either tbh. but all the hype is about flagg. doesnt seem like the type of pick anybody is trading down from. but you're going to have to give the hawks something in the short term. they already figure to have a solid 2024 pick

[baseline bum]

his cap hold will be 13mil per spotrac

Damn the CBA really must have changed a lot the last 3-4 years. I was thinking a $6 million to $9 million hold since he's making around ~$4.5 million.

[RC_Drunkford]

i dont know either tbh. but all the hype is about flagg. doesnt seem like the type of pick anybody is trading down from. but you're going to have to give the hawks something in the short term. they already figure to have a solid 2024 pick

give them the worst of the 25 Hawks, CHI and Spurs pick

[scott]

how deep is that 2025 draft though? I don't know much about it, aside from there being a lot of hype about that class and multiple firsts might help us to trade up

There is another kid, AJ Dybantsa, who is supposed to be up there with Flagg and Boozer. I think he is in the 2026 draft though, one site I saw even had him ahead of Boozer.

[Mugen]

Pop must be confused AF, he's been calling Champagnie "Dejounte" for two years now tbh

[Mal]

If Hawks GM do that for less than getting all his picks and swaps back :lmao

[CGD]

There's no way the Hawks trade Dejounte for just salary filler + protected firsts + seconds. Especially since they don't control their own draft from 2025-2027.

I think something like Keldon + CHI 1st + one of ATL's picks back (2025 or 2027) is the minimum they would consider. Remember that the Spurs are not the only team that will send offers.

Though I do think the Spurs are on a good future trajectory with respect to cap sheet and picks. They shouldn't break the bank getting Dejounte imo.

Hard pass on sending their unprotected picks back to them. Those are incredibly valuable with that team changing course/rebuilding now and Flagg and Boozer in the mix.

Go shop elsewhere Atlanta.

[rascal]

LOL @ that Hawks forum someone posted. They thing we should give them all their picks back and the swap should go the other way. Basically, that we should pay them for letting them have Murray for 2 years :lol

Nothing to this point has moved me off of my original thoughts at an offer:

SA '27 FRP (Unprotected)
CHI Pick
Anyone who isn't Wemby, Devin, Keldon, Tre.

If they want Sochan, downgrade the CHI pick to the CHA pick plus two more SRPs.

I also thought about making the '27 pick the lesser of SA or ATL, but I think ATL needs a little bit of upside and I'm definitely not offering them the best of the two. I also am betting that we'll be good by 2027.

This is more like it. Vassell or Sochan and one unprotected pick of Spurs 24 or Hawks 25 or Spurs 25 and if Sochan then pick swap with Atlanta back also. You do the deal? The deal has to hurt a little and if it doesn't then no trade.

[CGD]

If Hawks GM do that for less than getting all his picks and swaps back :lmao

I mean, almost by definition it’s going to be the case. They did not get the value they paid, and are selling at a loss.

[Dverde]

Not sure why Tre would be off limits if we are trading for a primary point guard. I doubt the Hawks would really want him either.

[BacktoBasics]

Hard pass on sending their unprotected picks back to them. Those are incredibly valuable with that team changing course/rebuilding now and Flagg and Boozer in the mix.

Go shop elsewhere Atlanta.

This forum has shown no ability to exercise patience but I agree with you. I’m not opposed to Murray returning but it needs to make sense. Even a little overpaying is fine. He’s a built in fit. But we can’t get stupid.

[Dejounte]

New Big Three:

Dejounte ——- Tony
Vassell ———— Manu
Wemby ———- Timmy

Surround These Three With 3 And D Players And It’s Over For The League


Why Are You Typing Like This? :lol

Will Be Posting This Way Until He’s Traded Here For Good Luck

[baseline bum]

This is more like it. Vassell or Sochan and one unprotected pick of Spurs 24 or Hawks 25 or Spurs 25 and if Sochan then pick swap with Atlanta back also. You do the deal? The deal has to hurt a little and if it doesn't then no trade.

Atlanta doesn't have the leverage to extract anywhere near that much and you have the Spurs bidding against themselves

[exstatic]

Murray has proven he can't really throw lob passes

He excels at bounce passes waist high. Good for LMA mid range jumpers but not so great for Wemby who desperately needs someone who can get the passes up in the air.

Actually, he had trouble synching with Jakob, because Jak was the one that wanted bounce passes, while DJ was better at lobs.

[rascal]

Atlanta doesn't have the leverage to extract anywhere near that much and you have the Spurs bidding against themselves

That's what you hope for to rip them off.

[Mal]

I mean, almost by definition it’s going to be the case. They did not get the value they paid, and are selling at a loss.

But the GM has to try to keep his job after that. Spurs should be ruthless

[scott]

ATL will definitely be selling DJM at a loss. Trading him back to the Spurs is tough because it will be extremely obvious how much of a loss it will be. At least trading to another team for a different mix of assets (players + picks) you at least give the homer fans some opportunity to argue that the team came out ahead (even when they didn't).

Even if they did DJM for Sochan, Branham and the CHI pick might be an easier pill to swallow for ATL fans than 1 unprotected FRP and 1 protected. Optics are going to have to matter to some degree for the Hawks.

[baseline bum]

That's what you hope for to rip them off.

Yes I want to win the trade. If that Knicks rumor is true there is no good market for Murray and they're bent completely over the table right now.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/-MqLuRkeGbQ?feature=shared

Dejounte Highlights In Case Anyone Hasn’t Seen Him Play

[baseline bum]

ATL will definitely be selling DJM at a loss. Trading him back to the Spurs is tough because it will be extremely obvious how much of a loss it will be. At least trading to another team for a different mix of assets (players + picks) you at least give the homer fans some opportunity to argue that the team came out ahead (even when they didn't).

Even if they did DJM for Sochan, Branham and the CHI pick might be an easier pill to swallow for ATL fans than 1 unprotected FRP and 1 protected. Optics are going to have to matter to some degree for the Hawks.

Allah, pls

[scott]

Allah, pls

Definitely wishful thinking on my behalf - more just to show the point that if the Hawks traded us DJM only for picks, it's going to be apparent how badly they lost the trade and the fan base will riot. They need to do players + picks just do save face, even if those players aren't actually better than a pick.

[NASpurs]

Oh noes, not Sochan and Branham... I won't be able to sleep at night.

prayingdog.jpg

[Seventyniner]

The Prodigal Son Would Be The Perfect Mentor For Blake Wesley Tbh. The Passing Of The Torch Would Be Seamless And Organic. With Wesley Already Here And If He Reaches His Potential With Murray Mentoring Him, We Wouldn’t Need To Worry About The Age Gap Between Murray And Wemby.

If the Spurs do end up landing Dejounte you need to make the thread with the announcement. Make Sure To Capitalize Every Word.

[Dejounte]

If the Spurs do end up landing Dejounte you need to make the thread with the announcement. Make Sure To Capitalize Every Word.

Thinking Of Thread Titles Already. For The Lulz I’ll Title It As If I’m Actually Dejounte

“I Am Back Baby”

”Tony Still A Bitch For Not Mentoring Me, Spurs Fans I’m Back!”

”Time To Show You All I’m A Culture Fit. I’m Back!”

[mo7888]

ATL will definitely be selling DJM at a loss. Trading him back to the Spurs is tough because it will be extremely obvious how much of a loss it will be. At least trading to another team for a different mix of assets (players + picks) you at least give the homer fans some opportunity to argue that the team came out ahead (even when they didn't).

Even if they did DJM for Sochan, Branham and the CHI pick might be an easier pill to swallow for ATL fans than 1 unprotected FRP and 1 protected. Optics are going to have to matter to some degree for the Hawks.

If they'd take Sochan, Branham, + Chicago pick and salary filler I'd do that tonight. I don't think that gets it done. But, i get where you're coming from on optics.

[scott]

Thinking Of Thread Titles Already. For The Lulz I’ll Title It As If I’m Actually Dejounte

“I Am Back Baby”

”Tony Still A Bitch For Not Mentoring Me, Spurs Fans I’m Back!”

”Time To Show You All I’m A Culture Fit. I’m Back!”

"In The End, I Am A Culture Fit. I Am Bigger Than Basketball."

[scott]

Not sure why Tre would be off limits if we are trading for a primary point guard. I doubt the Hawks would really want him either.

I'd want Tre to backup Murray.

With that said, he isn't off-limits for me, but he is a positive asset. The rest of the roster outside of Tre, Wemby, Devin, Keldon are all negative assets.

[CorrectCrusader]

how deep is that 2025 draft though? I don't know much about it, aside from there being a lot of hype about that class and multiple firsts might help us to trade up

Ace Bailey draft

[PhantomDashCam]

Any word on his growth plates being open? Might be the swing factor here...

[rascal]

Yes I want to win the trade. If that Knicks rumor is true there is no good market for Murray and they're bent completely over the table right now.

That rumor is just a rumor from a writer. Tim Crean Trying to see what the Knicks can offer because they moved assets in the Anunoby trade and don't have much now to put an attractive package for a Murray trade.
No more credible than what you are seeing in here, offers the Spurs could make. You don't know what the market value is for Murray.


Good luck trying to make clear low ball offers. Make a fair offer if you really want Murray.

[CGD]

ATL will definitely be selling DJM at a loss. Trading him back to the Spurs is tough because it will be extremely obvious how much of a loss it will be. At least trading to another team for a different mix of assets (players + picks) you at least give the homer fans some opportunity to argue that the team came out ahead (even when they didn't).

Even if they did DJM for Sochan, Branham and the CHI pick might be an easier pill to swallow for ATL fans than 1 unprotected FRP and 1 protected. Optics are going to have to matter to some degree for the Hawks.

This is true. To be clear im not opposed to bringing DJ back, I just don’t think giving up valuable unprotected picks is wise right now. Maybe when we’re perennially good again in 4-5 years, but not now.

[hater]

Sochan for a bag of dildos tbqh



That's all we can hope for

[baseline bum]

That rumor is just a rumor from a writer. Tim Crean Trying to see what the Knicks can offer because they moved assets in the Anunoby trade and don't have much now to put an attractive package for a Murray trade.
No more credible than what you are seeing in here, offers the Spurs could make. You don't know what the market value is for Murray.


Good luck trying to make clear low ball offers. Make a fair offer if you really want Murray.

Spurs aren't giving up Vassell and unprotected picks for Murray. It's not the Spurs fault the Hawks owner's idiot son forced such a massive overpay for Murray a couple of years ago.

[exstatic]

Spurs aren't giving up Vassell and unprotected picks for Murray. It's not the Spurs fault the Hawks owner's idiot son forced such a massive overpay for Murray a couple of years ago.

What is it with these owners and their fail sons? GS’s owner listened to his twice, and got Wiseman and Kuminga instead of LaMelo and Wagner.

[Mr. Body]

What is it with these owners and their fail sons? GS’s owner listened to his twice, and got Wiseman and Kuminga instead of LaMelo and Wagner.

The whole country is full of rich fucks who didn't do anything but inherit. Even the megadonor at the center of the plagiarism shit at Harvard, the one whose wife plagiarized her shit got tons of money from his dad. We live in failson: the culture.

[gambit1990]

https://imgur.com/FJmS1rBhttps://imgur.com/FJmS1rBhttps://www.simpleimageresizer.com/_uploads/photos/6e6051a8/trade_1_65.png

patty mills comes off the books this offseason, replace him with cp3.

also explore trading dejounte & collins over the summer.

[rascal]

Spurs aren't giving up Vassell and unprotected picks for Murray. It's not the Spurs fault the Hawks owner's idiot son forced such a massive overpay for Murray a couple of years ago.

That's the type of offer it's going to take and like someone else said they have to get good value back from the Spurs and if not they will trade him somewhere else.

[gambit1990]

but even better, you hope the warriors buyout cp3 this season.

SL: cp3 / dejounte / pascal / wemby / capela :hungry::hungry:

then find the right role players over the summer.

[Splits]

Hell naw, call Don Harris and see if he can get a line on TSpence to give us the scoop

lmao a TSpence reference is gold

[Seventyniner]

That's the type of offer it's going to take and like someone else said they have to get good value back from the Spurs and if not they will trade him somewhere else.

Yup. The Hawks are going to demand much more than is reasonable in a 2 team deal with the Spurs to save face.

imo the Spurs best chance of getting Dejounte back without breaking the bank is in a 3 or maybe even 4 team deal. Perhaps involving Siakam and giving the Raps their pick back. Too bad Siakam says he won't resign with the Hawks.

[mo7888]

That's the type of offer it's going to take and like someone else said they have to get good value back from the Spurs and if not they will trade him somewhere else.

The offer has to have two things: 1) it has to be better than what other teams offer and 2) it has to be structured in a way to meet Atlanta's goals, i.e. do they want picks, a player, cap relief etc

[Splits]

So Graham/McDermott is the new Bonner/Blair.

Got it.

[Robz4000]

https://imgur.com/FJmS1rBhttps://imgur.com/FJmS1rBhttps://www.simpleimageresizer.com/_uploads/photos/6e6051a8/trade_1_65.png

patty mills comes off the books this offseason, replace him with cp3.

also explore trading dejounte & collins over the summer.

Gross

[spurraider21]

what a terrible, terrible trade :lol

with the idea of moving wemby back to PF where he was worse, so he can start alongside capela who is even worse offensively than collins, and siakam, who cant shoot, at the 3?

ban-worthy post imo

[cd98]

Atlanta GM is not a robot. He is not going to trade DJM back to the Spurs for less than what they traded to get him. That would be Exhibit A to the notice of termination the gm would get. They may have talks with the Spurs to up the bid on DJM, but my guess is that with Young, they still feel like they should be competing. Their roster isn't bad, but they can stomach a trade with the Lakers to get Austin Reeves or Siakum from Toronto. They will just use San Antonio to get draft picks on top of whatever players they get, but they want win now players, not a "blow it up and start over." Trading for any Spurs players not Vassel or Wemby (obviously Wemby is off limits) is not good for them. They will want legit contributors for the playoffs and whatever draft capital they can get.

[NASpurs]

I wonder if this will hit 10 pages before people realize it isn't gonna happen tbh :lol

It's already at 10 pages :lol

[mo7888]

Atlanta GM is not a robot. He is not going to trade DJM back to the Spurs for less than what they traded to get him. That would be Exhibit A to the notice of termination the gm would get. They may have talks with the Spurs to up the bid on DJM, but my guess is that with Young, they still feel like they should be competing. Their roster isn't bad, but they can stomach a trade with the Lakers to get Austin Reeves or Siakum from Toronto. They will just use San Antonio to get draft picks on top of whatever players they get, but they want win now players, not a "blow it up and start over." Trading for any Spurs players not Vassel or Wemby (obviously Wemby is off limits) is not good for them. They will want legit contributors for the playoffs and whatever draft capital they can get.

I love them trading for Soakim since he's said he wouldn't resign there, thereby leaving them with no assets to improve next year. That would be gold..

[cd98]

I love them trading for Soakim since he's said he wouldn't resign there, thereby leaving them with no assets to improve next year. That would be gold..

Yes, that's why I think a trade with Toronto would have to include draft picks and other players. DJM would be a steal for Toronto because Siakam isn't going to sign with Toronto and if Atlanta isn't good if he joined them, he'd leave in free agency. To be honest, there are a few franchises that you roll the dice on with trades that their front office is so incompetent that they will mess up efforts to go all in. Atlanta is a team that isn't high on the free agency list and Young isn't Curry and to be honest, I didn't think the DJM trade made sense at the time. I would've thought Twolves would be a better destination, but I think they are happy with Conley.

[CGD]

I love them trading for Soakim since he's said he wouldn't resign there, thereby leaving them with no assets to improve next year. That would be gold..

Are we sure Siakim isn’t screwing himself with they flippant proclamation about not signing with team X or Y? Which team has the capspace this summer to give him the payday he wants? Is it just Philly? I’d be trying to make sure I’m on a team that can get my Bird right, sign there, and then bitch my way out elsewhere.

[024]

Still funny how spurstalk go wild over trying to obtain win now players that don't match Wemby's timeline.

Spurs will be opportunistic and will only dip into the treasure chest of picks for someone 23 and under. Not many with all star potential will be available if at all. So Spurs just gonna Spurs and defer any action.

[tbdog]

Don't give up Sochan for fucking Murray. No way. Not a chance. I know ST have chosen Sochan as the hated one, but you'll regret it.

[Mr. Body]

Chicago might be another outlier. Dunno, maybe getting DeRozan over to LaLaLand finally and getting a small package including Caruso to Atlanta. It'd have to be peppe up a little, but it's the sort of deal the Hawks should be looking for, turning DJM into pieces to round out the team. Chicago is going to lose DDR for nothing this summer, so may look to consolidate a good young guard tied up in a contract for a while. I know the Lakers want to keep Reaves. Not sure what else they have that appeals. Cam Reddish, lol.

[My Fault]

Disagree. He's on a great contract and looks to be available for pennies on the dollar.
It’s short term thinking, too many are simply thinking Wemby needs to win ROY and nothing else long term matters.. Stay the course and maybe Wemby doesn’t win ROY but there’s more championships to follow. We can all agree to one thing, Murray is not the best option. I’m baffled how many think the Spurs need to be the best they can be in their generational talent’s year even if it cost their future. It does go to show why this whole board isn’t getting paid millions for their opinion. Suddenly everyone has become Wemby fans rather than Spurs fans. It’s pure stupidity

[mo7888]

Are we sure Siakim isn’t screwing himself with they flippant proclamation about not signing with team X or Y? Which team has the capspace this summer to give him the payday he wants? Is it just Philly? I’d be trying to make sure I’m on a team that can get my Bird right, sign there, and then bitch my way out elsewhere.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/2024/

There looks like several. I imagine he already knows where he's going .

[cd98]

Still funny how spurstalk go wild over trying to obtain win now players that don't match Wemby's timeline.

Spurs will be opportunistic and will only dip into the treasure chest of picks for someone 23 and under. Not many with all star potential will be available if at all. So Spurs just gonna Spurs and defer any action.

I don't know. I used to think that. But now I think Wemby's timeline started like 10 games ago. The beginning of the season, he was up and down. But when he finally got moved to center, he really started dominating and steadily in December he turned into a force with only 25 minutes a game contribution. He's made more threes than Curry as a rookie and he's blocked more shots than rookie Motumbo playing was less minutes. Guy is flat out dominating in a way that I could not imagine to start the season. I thought we'd be lucky for him to score 15 points a game. If he played 35 minutes, I think he might be a top 7 scorer in the league and certainly number 1 in blocks, high in steals, and high in rebounds.

[cd98]

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/2024/

There looks like several. I imagine he already knows where he's going .

The first three wouldn't sign him, but the next 5 could do it. But they aren't going to max him. Everyone talks about him being a great player, but how good could he and Ananoby be if they can't even make Toronto a playoff team?

[cd98]

Chicago might be another outlier. Dunno, maybe getting DeRozan over to LaLaLand finally and getting a small package including Caruso to Atlanta. It'd have to be peppe up a little, but it's the sort of deal the Hawks should be looking for, turning DJM into pieces to round out the team. Chicago is going to lose DDR for nothing this summer, so may look to consolidate a good young guard tied up in a contract for a while. I know the Lakers want to keep Reaves. Not sure what else they have that appeals. Cam Reddish, lol.

Spurs should try and get Caruso. He would show the young guys how to play defense and be aggressive. Underrated player. Lakers went downhill when he left.

[Fizziksman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlbSGS-9LSA

[024]

I don't know. I used to think that. But now I think Wemby's timeline started like 10 games ago. The beginning of the season, he was up and down. But when he finally got moved to center, he really started dominating and steadily in December he turned into a force with only 25 minutes a game contribution. He's made more threes than Curry as a rookie and he's blocked more shots than rookie Motumbo playing was less minutes. Guy is flat out dominating in a way that I could not imagine to start the season. I thought we'd be lucky for him to score 15 points a game. If he played 35 minutes, I think he might be a top 7 scorer in the league and certainly number 1 in blocks, high in steals, and high in rebounds.

Wemby still needs to round out offensively before the window opens. Even if it is open now, makes little sense for the Spurs to win a few more games this season to push themselves out of the bottom 3. Earliest I can see the Spurs making a splash is next year when they see how much Wemby has developed. But I still think next year will be a transition year and we won't see much movement until year 3.

[spurraider21]

Still funny how spurstalk go wild over trying to obtain win now players that don't match Wemby's timeline.

Spurs will be opportunistic and will only dip into the treasure chest of picks for someone 23 and under. Not many with all star potential will be available if at all. So Spurs just gonna Spurs and defer any action.
is the plan to just add a bunch of 19, 20, and 21 year olds to fit on wemby's timeline? the spurs had basically 3 completely different iterations of contending squads with duncan. the twin towers, the big 3, and the beautiful game (and then a couple of years where kawhi was the man). this isn't going to be one continuous 15-20 year roster of wemby and friends growing up together

the spurs will need a mix of veteran talent, leadership, and youth. dejounte just turned 27. he's not exactly declining anytime soon. he's under a bargain contract for at least another 3 seasons after this year.

[mo7888]

The first three wouldn't sign him, but the next 5 could do it. But they aren't going to max him. Everyone talks about him being a great player, but how good could he and Ananoby be if they can't even make Toronto a playoff team?

I could see Philly, OKC, or Houston maxing him out..

[cd98]

is the plan to just add a bunch of 19, 20, and 21 year olds to fit on wemby's timeline? the spurs had basically 3 completely different iterations of contending squads with duncan. the twin towers, the big 3, and the beautiful game (and then a couple of years where kawhi was the man). this isn't going to be one continuous 15-20 year roster of wemby and friends growing up together

the spurs will need a mix of veteran talent, leadership, and youth. dejounte just turned 27. he's not exactly declining anytime soon. he's under a bargain contract for at least another 3 seasons after this year.

This. If they can get him for cheap, it's a no brainer. I just don't think Atlanta would/could do that given the backlash the GM would get. The Spurs have good draft capital. If they are in the lottery, then maybe they get someone good, but everyone is saying this is a weak draft. Maybe it's not, but if they got Murray for cheap, I'd be on board with them doing that and giving up on a top 3 pick. I mean, PG is the most urgent position from my perspective and Murray checks the boxes for what you need for this team.

[Dejounte]

is the plan to just add a bunch of 19, 20, and 21 year olds to fit on wemby's timeline? the spurs had basically 3 completely different iterations of contending squads with duncan. the twin towers, the big 3, and the beautiful game (and then a couple of years where kawhi was the man). this isn't going to be one continuous 15-20 year roster of wemby and friends growing up together

the spurs will need a mix of veteran talent, leadership, and youth. dejounte just turned 27. he's not exactly declining anytime soon. he's under a bargain contract for at least another 3 seasons after this year.

100%

These Guys Are Obsessed With Having Wemby And Friends. It’s Not Like Those 23 And Under Players Are Turning Out Nice, Look At The Current Ones We Do Have… People Want To Go Another Round Of Sochan, Primo, Vassell, Etc And Hope They Become The Next Tony Or Manu For Wemby? It’s Nowhere Near Realistic And Reeks Of A “Hope For The Best” Attitude With No Actual Strategy.

[SpurSpike]

Would be funny to see Dejounte demand a trade to the San Antonio Spurs. Atlanta turned its back on him after he signed that loyalty discount extension... Get revenge with Wemby by your side!

[Blizzardwizard]

Spending a couple of extra firsts on a known quantity on a good contract at a relatively young age > Spending at least one first drafting an unknown rookie quantity who'd have to go through years of Pop's BS Hunger Games trials like playing out of position/minutes restrictions/random benchings to build character or teach them a lesson or whatever.

At most two of ATL's original firsts or one first plus whoever-the-fuck outside of Wemby/Vassell and I'd be on board. Wemby literally left the court in Cleveland screaming in frustration about how diabolical the playmaking around him is. If the chance to change that appears you should take it.

[paperboy77]

Atlanta GM is not a robot. He is not going to trade DJM back to the Spurs for less than what they traded to get him. That would be Exhibit A to the notice of termination the gm would get. They may have talks with the Spurs to up the bid on DJM, but my guess is that with Young, they still feel like they should be competing. Their roster isn't bad, but they can stomach a trade with the Lakers to get Austin Reeves or Siakum from Toronto. They will just use San Antonio to get draft picks on top of whatever players they get, but they want win now players, not a "blow it up and start over." Trading for any Spurs players not Vassel or Wemby (obviously Wemby is off limits) is not good for them. They will want legit contributors for the playoffs and whatever draft capital they can get.

Maybe they can in a three-way trade.

[vy65]

is the plan to just add a bunch of 19, 20, and 21 year olds to fit on wemby's timeline? the spurs had basically 3 completely different iterations of contending squads with duncan. the twin towers, the big 3, and the beautiful game (and then a couple of years where kawhi was the man). this isn't going to be one continuous 15-20 year roster of wemby and friends growing up together

the spurs will need a mix of veteran talent, leadership, and youth. dejounte just turned 27. he's not exactly declining anytime soon. he's under a bargain contract for at least another 3 seasons after this year.

And, the spurs need bridge players like smart/brogdon who can eventually be moved to get them a Holiday or Porzingis. Murray’s contract is definitely movable, he fits an immediate need, and helps resolve a potential logjam of integrating a bunch of youth over the next 5 or so years. The plan was never to actually use all those picks.

[baseline bum]

It’s short term thinking, too many are simply thinking Wemby needs to win ROY and nothing else long term matters.. Stay the course and maybe Wemby doesn’t win ROY but there’s more championships to follow. We can all agree to one thing, Murray is not the best option. I’m baffled how many think the Spurs need to be the best they can be in their generational talent’s year even if it cost their future. It does go to show why this whole board isn’t getting paid millions for their opinion. Suddenly everyone has become Wemby fans rather than Spurs fans. It’s pure stupidity

Murray would be a bird in the hand, a solid vet they might be able to get for pennies on the dollar. Topic and Collier have looked less than impressive, Castle can't shoot, pretty much leaves Dillingham as the best looking bet at PG but he's no sure thing either. Both Scoot Henderson and Amen Thompson would probably go first in this year's draft and they have both looked awful as rookies. It's a real crapshoot in the draft and if they can get their PG situation settled with Murray it allows them to take some swings on fowards with their draft picks. No one other than rascal is saying mortgage the future for Murray. This ain't the Spurs front office that drafted Kawhi, Manu, and Tony, this is the front office that just pissed away three firsts on Sochan, Branham, and Wesley, so stupidity is thinking they shouldn't make moves for good young players on bargain contracts because let's just stockpile picks forever.

[baseline bum]

Spending a couple of extra firsts on a known quantity on a good contract at a relatively young age > Spending at least one first drafting an unknown rookie quantity who'd have to go through years of Pop's BS Hunger Games trials like playing out of position/minutes restrictions/random benchings to build character or teach them a lesson or whatever.

At most two of ATL's original firsts or one first plus whoever-the-fuck outside of Wemby/Vassell and I'd be on board. Wemby literally left the court in Cleveland screaming in frustration about how diabolical the playmaking around him is. If the chance to change that appears you should take it.

Two of those unprotected firsts is way too high a price for Murray. No one else is going to offer anything like unprotected picks in the Cooper Flagg and Cameron Boozer drafts. Only one I'd trade them back is the 27 pick. No way in hell on the 25 pick or the 26 swap, though if they want the lesser of the Spurs and Hawks 25 picks that might be something worth considering.