Jason Terry suspended (old thread)

[SPARKY]

It's not a foul as the hand is considered a part of the ball. Basketball 101.

[JHoLove]

For the 567890 time - punch is an automatic suspension. Which word in this sentence needs to be explained?
Punch? Is? An? Automatic? Or maybe suspension? Don't be shy, just say which word is the problematic one.

None of the above. I wasn't actually looking for an answer. Look, Terry's suspended. He shouldn't have done it. The end.

Doesn't mean I'm happy he's suspended.

[tetasfromtejas]

I agree it was stupid.. but the NBA suspending him for that and not touching Reggie Evans exceeds the stupidity. And I know punches are automatic suspensions but still??

stupid actions warrant stupid suspensions. Terry brought this on to himself.
its his immaturity that got in the way, he got so cocky, pardon the pun, he lost himself in the moment. It was a dumb mistake and he has to live with the consequences. If it were the other way around Mark Cuban would be in a van with bullhorns screaming bloody murder. :madrun

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao

Do Mavs fans really want to compare fanbases to see which one is actually hickish? Do I need to recant my experiences with the rest of your herd?

[MannyIsGod]

None of the above. I wasn't actually looking for an answer. Look, Terry's suspended. He shouldn't have done it. The end.

Doesn't mean I'm happy he's suspended.No one is saying you should be happy. I think we're just sick of the idiocy that somehow this suspension is unwarranted.

[Das Texan]

At least Bowen calmed Finley down. He almost lost it.

Bowen was very cool in the closing seconds. He also stopped Duncan from overcelebrating Bowen's block. Then he calmed down Finley after the punch.



Bowen really was the big time calming influence last night there in the final seconds.

Props to Bruce for reminding the team that it wasnt over yet.

[ponky]

:lmao

Do Mavs fans really want to compare fanbases to see which one is actually hickish? Do I need to recant my experiences with the rest of your herd?


No you don't, we have your dufus avatar pic to go by. See ya tomorrow, bring some Kleenex. Night.

[SPARKY]

Toodles.

[Shank]

From Mike Fisher at Dallasbasketball.com. He's been researching the league's history for incidents like this one just to prove this suspension is NOT consistent to other infractions. Biased or not, he makes a great point:

NBA PUTS DALLAS IN WONDERLAND: Reggie Evans got a firm grip on another player's testicles and on May 1 was not suspended. Udonis Haslem lost his grip on a flying mouthpiece and on April 24 was suspended.
Richard Jefferson kicked a ball into the stands and on April 11 got a $5,000 fine. Carmelo Anthony threw a ball into the stands and on April 5 got a $15,000 fine.
Bruce Bowen kicked Ray Allen in the back and on March 28 was fined but not suspended. Rasheed Wallace earlier that month March 2006 flagrantly clubbed Zydrunas Ilgauskas over the head, opening a wound that needed five stitches. Wallace was fined and but not suspended.
Michael Finley seemed to intentionally hipcheck Jason Terry in the head while Terry was pinned to the floor. Terry seemed to retaliate with a balled-up fist and a jab to Finley's groin area.
Who is wrong? Who is right? Who gets fined, and how much? Who gets suspended, and for how long?
Who knows?
Mavs owner Mark Cuban is livid about the one-game suspension for Terry, meaning he'll miss Friday's critical Game 6 of Mavs-Spurs, and says, “It’s certainly not consistent with what the league has done in the past.”
No it is not. The inconsistency and imbalance of the NBA's zig-zaggy, subjective-to-arbitrary approach to punishments for outside-the-rules conduct is maddening. Terry is lost to his team for an elimination playoff game, and Finley receives a likely "attaboy'' whispered to him from his employers for starting an altercation without detection or punishment.
The NBA alledgedly told the Mavs that Terry's balled-up fist is evidence enough of his guilt, while they judge Finley's intentions as less clear. But given the aforementioned incidents, all of them recent, all of them caught on tape, none of them handled in any sensible or measurable order, the NBA's intellectual track record here is at best dubious.
Meanwhile, more basketball-lovin' fingers will try to plug more cracks and leaks in the "The NBA Is Fixed'' dike.
Grabbing some testicles is OK. Jabbing near them is not. Throwing a mouthpiece is not OK. Throwing an elbow is. Kicking a ball is no different than kicking an opponent. I can bash you in the head. You can't bash me in the midsection. Or can we?
Who is serving as the Judge in these cases? David Stern? Stu Jackson? The King of Hearts from "Alice In Wonderland''?
"Curioser and Curioser," indeed.
The paw of Denver's Evans was caught in Clippers center Chris Kaman's cookie jar. But when no suspension was handed down, Evans pretended it to be proof of his innocence. "The tape speaks for itself without me saying it," Evans says. "If I did something wrong, I would have been suspended. Let's put it like that."
Yeah, but. ... no. Not in this league. You can be suspended for doing nothing wrong. You can be not suspended for doing something wrong.
If you "ball your fist,'' do you get suspended? That's what the league told the Mavs. Yet there are volumes of recent cases where that is simply not true. Proof:
# Rasheed Wallace was beaten on a play in a Pistons-Cans game in March 2006. So as Zydrunas Ilgauskas dribbled by him, Wallace reached out and clubbed him over the head, opening a wound that needed five stitches. Wallace was issued a flagrant foul and fined and but not suspended.

# In a Heat-Pacers playoff game in April 2005, Antoine Walker and Stephen Jackson "squared off,'' according to the Associated Press account. But all they received were technicals.

# In an April 2006 Suns-Lakers game, Boris Diaw and Luke Walton engaged in what the AP called "skirmishes,'' Walton "clothes-lined'' another Sun, and Diaw and Kwame Brown "squared off.''
No suspensions from that game. No fines.

# On April 15, 2005, in Pacers-76ers (again from AP), "Dale Davis and Samuel Dalembert were ejected in the third quarter of Friday night's game after they were involved in a shoving match. ... The two players got tangled up while going for a rebound. The officials called a double foul, but after the whistle Davis chased Dalembert across the lane with his hands balled into fists.''
Were there balled fists, and pushing and shoving? There were. Were there ensuing suspensions? There were not.
We're not suggesting that balled-up fists and 'bows to the face and kicks in the back shouldn't be taken seriously. The November 2004 Pacers/Pistons/fans riot -- labeled at the time by Commissioner David Stern "shocking, repulsive and inexcusable" -- is a still-fresh embarrassment. For that matter, so is the Kermit Washington sucker punch of Rudy Tomjanovich in 1977, a blow that fractured a face and a couple of lives and caused NBA higher-ups to realize the serious damage that can be done with 6-9, 250-pound men are allowed to completely unleash their angry wrath on one another.
But is that what Jason Terry did? And if you answer "yes,'' didn't Michael Finley do it first? Terry's behavior is, no matter the circumstances, unfortunate. But considering the proximity of Finley to his head, and his offending arm to the ground, it was hardly a "roundhouse punch.'' A lenient arbiter could have called it a "push'' to remove a 6-6, 225-pound man from his head and neck.
Furthermore, upon zoomed-in observation, it appears Terry actually strikes the fabric of Finley's shorts well above any "sensitive area.'' Finley's theatrical reaction - he didn't recoil in pain as men are wont to do when popped in the testicles, but instead jumped to his feet and barked and pointed at Terry -- could be viewed as a fake.
"Finley went berserk,'' Cuban says, "like the world had just ended.''
Maybe all of that is why the NBA officials on the scene saw nothing, and called nothing.
Because nothing dangerous, fine-able, suspension-worthy, really happened.
Other Spurs "flop'' with their entire bodies. Did Michael Finley just "floppy'' with his johnson?
Kaman, probably still wincing a bit even weeks after being victimized by Evans, offers the explanation he was given by the NBA for why his molester Evans got off with only a fine. "What the league did say,'' Kaman says, "was that it was an unprecedented event and they weren't sure how to handle it.''
Some of that is true. As the Jason Terry incident demonstrates, the NBA clearly isn't "sure how to handle'' much of anything of this nature.

[coachmac87]

hey mavs fans lets jsut face it....u can hate on the spurs all u want...but u waht jet did was wrong and he tried to get away with it....he fucked yall over...so stop supporting him...i honestly thought that the spurs were in trouble going into game 6.but now since jet is a dumbass things will be easier...if yall lose this series dont blame anyone but jason "nut checking" terry

[SPARKY]

The world is back to normal. Mavs fans are bitching about the refs and the league. Cuban is making a royal ass out of himself in public with his 'smack talk'....

[SpursWoman]

It means Reggie Evans should have gotten a suspension, not that they should just start ignoring the rule because of the mistake of him not getting one.

[Trainwreck2100]

Terry got baited nasty

[coachmac87]

From Mike Fisher at Dallasbasketball.com. He's been researching the league's history for incidents like this one just to prove this suspension is NOT consistent to other infractions. Biased or not, he makes a great point:

NBA PUTS DALLAS IN WONDERLAND: Reggie Evans got a firm grip on another player's testicles and on May 1 was not suspended. Udonis Haslem lost his grip on a flying mouthpiece and on April 24 was suspended.
Richard Jefferson kicked a ball into the stands and on April 11 got a $5,000 fine. Carmelo Anthony threw a ball into the stands and on April 5 got a $15,000 fine.
Bruce Bowen kicked Ray Allen in the back and on March 28 was fined but not suspended. Rasheed Wallace earlier that month March 2006 flagrantly clubbed Zydrunas Ilgauskas over the head, opening a wound that needed five stitches. Wallace was fined and but not suspended.
Michael Finley seemed to intentionally hipcheck Jason Terry in the head while Terry was pinned to the floor. Terry seemed to retaliate with a balled-up fist and a jab to Finley's groin area.
Who is wrong? Who is right? Who gets fined, and how much? Who gets suspended, and for how long?
Who knows?
Mavs owner Mark Cuban is livid about the one-game suspension for Terry, meaning he'll miss Friday's critical Game 6 of Mavs-Spurs, and says, “It’s certainly not consistent with what the league has done in the past.”
No it is not. The inconsistency and imbalance of the NBA's zig-zaggy, subjective-to-arbitrary approach to punishments for outside-the-rules conduct is maddening. Terry is lost to his team for an elimination playoff game, and Finley receives a likely "attaboy'' whispered to him from his employers for starting an altercation without detection or punishment.
The NBA alledgedly told the Mavs that Terry's balled-up fist is evidence enough of his guilt, while they judge Finley's intentions as less clear. But given the aforementioned incidents, all of them recent, all of them caught on tape, none of them handled in any sensible or measurable order, the NBA's intellectual track record here is at best dubious.
Meanwhile, more basketball-lovin' fingers will try to plug more cracks and leaks in the "The NBA Is Fixed'' dike.
Grabbing some testicles is OK. Jabbing near them is not. Throwing a mouthpiece is not OK. Throwing an elbow is. Kicking a ball is no different than kicking an opponent. I can bash you in the head. You can't bash me in the midsection. Or can we?
Who is serving as the Judge in these cases? David Stern? Stu Jackson? The King of Hearts from "Alice In Wonderland''?
"Curioser and Curioser," indeed.
The paw of Denver's Evans was caught in Clippers center Chris Kaman's cookie jar. But when no suspension was handed down, Evans pretended it to be proof of his innocence. "The tape speaks for itself without me saying it," Evans says. "If I did something wrong, I would have been suspended. Let's put it like that."
Yeah, but. ... no. Not in this league. You can be suspended for doing nothing wrong. You can be not suspended for doing something wrong.
If you "ball your fist,'' do you get suspended? That's what the league told the Mavs. Yet there are volumes of recent cases where that is simply not true. Proof:
# Rasheed Wallace was beaten on a play in a Pistons-Cans game in March 2006. So as Zydrunas Ilgauskas dribbled by him, Wallace reached out and clubbed him over the head, opening a wound that needed five stitches. Wallace was issued a flagrant foul and fined and but not suspended.

# In a Heat-Pacers playoff game in April 2005, Antoine Walker and Stephen Jackson "squared off,'' according to the Associated Press account. But all they received were technicals.

# In an April 2006 Suns-Lakers game, Boris Diaw and Luke Walton engaged in what the AP called "skirmishes,'' Walton "clothes-lined'' another Sun, and Diaw and Kwame Brown "squared off.''
No suspensions from that game. No fines.

# On April 15, 2005, in Pacers-76ers (again from AP), "Dale Davis and Samuel Dalembert were ejected in the third quarter of Friday night's game after they were involved in a shoving match. ... The two players got tangled up while going for a rebound. The officials called a double foul, but after the whistle Davis chased Dalembert across the lane with his hands balled into fists.''
Were there balled fists, and pushing and shoving? There were. Were there ensuing suspensions? There were not.
We're not suggesting that balled-up fists and 'bows to the face and kicks in the back shouldn't be taken seriously. The November 2004 Pacers/Pistons/fans riot -- labeled at the time by Commissioner David Stern "shocking, repulsive and inexcusable" -- is a still-fresh embarrassment. For that matter, so is the Kermit Washington sucker punch of Rudy Tomjanovich in 1977, a blow that fractured a face and a couple of lives and caused NBA higher-ups to realize the serious damage that can be done with 6-9, 250-pound men are allowed to completely unleash their angry wrath on one another.
But is that what Jason Terry did? And if you answer "yes,'' didn't Michael Finley do it first? Terry's behavior is, no matter the circumstances, unfortunate. But considering the proximity of Finley to his head, and his offending arm to the ground, it was hardly a "roundhouse punch.'' A lenient arbiter could have called it a "push'' to remove a 6-6, 225-pound man from his head and neck.
Furthermore, upon zoomed-in observation, it appears Terry actually strikes the fabric of Finley's shorts well above any "sensitive area.'' Finley's theatrical reaction - he didn't recoil in pain as men are wont to do when popped in the testicles, but instead jumped to his feet and barked and pointed at Terry -- could be viewed as a fake.
"Finley went berserk,'' Cuban says, "like the world had just ended.''
Maybe all of that is why the NBA officials on the scene saw nothing, and called nothing.
Because nothing dangerous, fine-able, suspension-worthy, really happened.
Other Spurs "flop'' with their entire bodies. Did Michael Finley just "floppy'' with his johnson?
Kaman, probably still wincing a bit even weeks after being victimized by Evans, offers the explanation he was given by the NBA for why his molester Evans got off with only a fine. "What the league did say,'' Kaman says, "was that it was an unprecedented event and they weren't sure how to handle it.''
Some of that is true. As the Jason Terry incident demonstrates, the NBA clearly isn't "sure how to handle'' much of anything of this nature.


great reasrch on mr fishers part....but what if u got punched in the family jewels....grabbing and being a fag...and punching attempt to hurt sumone is different...u can look at all of those things and thats alot...the nba was a lot nicer back in the day with those descicions but now the nba has had enough and they just made it clear ur not getting away with anythig...and theres nothing u can do about it but complain...the descion was made and it isnt gonna change ...so get over it...good luck in game 6

[IceColdBrewski]

From Mike Fisher at Dallasbasketball.com.


Blah, blah, blah. Just another pissed off Mavs fan rant.

[picnroll]

Question Mavs fans

They showed an angle of the play on ESPN at halftime that was looking up from baseline that undoubtedly wa the one the league used when they made their suspension decision. It showed:

1) Terry came NOWHERE close to calling timeout before Manu got his hands on the ball.

2) Finley coming NOWHERE close to piling on Terry. I mean nowhere.

3) A clear and deliberate short, straight right with a closed fist to Finley's nuts by Terry.

So Mavs fans

1) You have a fag, cheap shot PG who throw nutshots

2) A faggot owner who lies about what happened and demeans the reputation of a player that laboured for your franchise for years.

3) A bunch of dumb fucking Mav fans who allow themselves to be manipulated by their shitbag owner and now hate Finley and worship shitbag Cuban and shitbag Terry

Guess that makes for a lot of shitbag Mavs fans.

[coachmac87]

ok fuck it...for crying out loud its clear that terry punched finley i dont get the whole fist thing....he fucking punched him in the nuts

[MaNuMaNiAc]

DAMN! this thread is already longer than the "LMAO Caption this Nash!" thread!

[whottt]

If the nuts get hit you cannot aquit!

[coachmac87]

do u mavs fans really like mark cuban???? ur not going to win a championship if hes the owner....after all the crap hes done to david stern why would stern want to reward him with a ring...hes already a billionaire...sterns basically sayin take ur money and get the hell out of my league...ur not winning a damn thing

[picnroll]

Weren't all these whining Mavs fans complaining about whining Spurs fans a couple of days ago?

[Shank]

Who's whining? I'm ready to take this shit without Terry in the lineup. Dallas is still the better team in this series and will show it down a player. Marquis Daniels off the bench tomorrow night to give Dallas the series win.

[SPARKY]

Uh oh, Shank's on a roll.

[fyatuk]

great reasrch on mr fishers part....but what if u got punched in the family jewels....grabbing and being a fag...and punching attempt to hurt sumone is different...u can look at all of those things and thats alot...the nba was a lot nicer back in the day with those descicions but now the nba has had enough and they just made it clear ur not getting away with anythig...and theres nothing u can do about it but complain...the descion was made and it isnt gonna change ...so get over it...good luck in game 6

The difference between Evans and Terry is Terry struck with a fist, which by rule requires a suspension, just like an intentional blow to the head in a non-basketball move. Evens wasn't a punch, and there's no real rule against grabbing someone's nuts (other than it obviously being a holding foul ;)). So Evans was unprecedented, and I'm betting there's going to be an "Evan's Rule" soon, but Terry's was not.

He also doesn't seem to realize a lot of time "squaring off" is a chest to chest shouting match with not even a shove.

But Stu Jackson himself mentions punishments are subjective, so there's always going to be inconsistency.

[johnut32]

Wow, that's the best you can come up with?

Your "basketball 101" smack is clearly superior. How many times a day do you use that?

Have you figured out there is a low AND high post yet?

hahaha

[baseline bum]

"Unbelievable. When it's all (said) and done, this series could end up being talked about for all the wrong reasons."

:lmao

forgot games 3 & 4?

[coachmac87]

Who's whining? I'm ready to take this shit without Terry in the lineup. Dallas is still the better team in this series and will show it down a player. Marquis Daniels off the bench tomorrow night to give Dallas the series win.


ya maybe...just maybe the mavs were a better team than the spurs in this series...but that was with terry..sumthing u dont have the next game...and please o please dont tell me ur looking forward to playin game 7 in sa...after u thought u had it locked up at 3-1 am i seeing a choke artist before my eyes???

[SPARKY]

Your "basketball 101" smack is clearly superior. How many times a day do you use that?

Have you figured out there is a low AND high post yet?

hahaha

Have you figured out that Dirk utilizes neither?

And yes, I am superior.

[FromWayDowntown]

Is Mike Fisher just Mark Cuban's cabana boy or something? I swear, everything I read from Fisher reads like it has come directly from Cuban's lips. This reads like he taped Cuban's radio rant today and just typed it up.

[LilMissSPURfect]

I've been under a rock all day....I saw it on tv a couple of minutes ago and theres no way you can deny that....cheap shot move by cheap shot mav! And cuban's reaction is priceless (he's in so deep he can't SMELL SHIT if it had NUTS in it ;-) !!!!!!!!

[Shank]

Ignore Sparkly. He brings nothing to the table.

[SA Gunslinger]

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060518/capt.7cce81871e5a43ae9ea6b315883f881b.dallas_terry _suspended_dn108.jpg

[SPARKY]

Ignore Sparkly. He brings nothing to the table.

Run on home, boy.

[RON ARTEST]

looks like i hit a nerve........bandwagoner
:lmao

[Shank]

Let me know if Sparkly replies to this. I've got him on my ignore list. I'd rather ask my own butthole for basketball information than listen to his ignorant, mindless drivel.

[CubanMustGo]

Rules say throw a punch, or attempt to throw a punch, you're out.

The ramble quoted above talks about a bunch of infractions that did NOT INVOLVE THROWING PUNCHES. "Balled fists" without swinging at someone != punches. "clotheslines" != punches. "clubbing over the head" is not a fucking punch. "Grabbing testicles" IS NOT A PUNCH. Kicking a ball, kicking a person, neither are a punch.

Should the rules be modified? OK, I'll buy that. But Terry explicitly and flagrantly (when viewed from the proper angle, thanks ESPN) did something in the rulebook for which a mandatory penalty is called for, and that penalty was properly carried out. You can bitch about the other things "should" result in suspensions, but there can be no doubt that the punch thrown got the penalty prescribed in the NBA rulebook.

End of story. Good try, tho.

[SPARKY]

Cuban was all over the suspension today because he knows it helps deflect attention away from the choke job in progress.

[IceColdBrewski]

Let me know if Sparkly replies to this. I've got him on my ignore list. I'd rather ask my own butthole for basketball information than listen to his ignorant, mindless drivel.

Up until now, I've never seen a big enough pussy to put someone on ignore. Congrats for being the first.

[SPARKY]

Let me know if Sparkly replies to this. I've got him on my ignore list. I'd rather ask my own butthole for basketball information than listen to his ignorant, mindless drivel.

Read, scroll, or run away, trick.

[whottt]

Good job Sparky on punking that dumbass.

He probably sh ask his own butthole for basketball knowledge...it'd be an improvement.

[Shank]

Good job Sparky on punking that dumbass.

He probably sh ask his own butthole for basketball knowledge...it'd be an improvement.

And please tell me how I was...how'd you put it? Punked?

[CubanMustGo]

Let me know if Sparkly replies to this. I've got him on my ignore list. I'd rather ask my own butthole for basketball information than listen to his ignorant, mindless drivel.

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/oliphant/oa048.jpg

[whottt]

And please tell me how I was...how'd you put it? Punked?



Ignore feature = being punked. We call that the wuss function here.

[johnut32]

Sparky, "high post? what's the high post? Only Duncan utilizes any sort of post."

The ultimate moron homer.

[Trainwreck2100]

Let me know if Sparkly replies to this. I've got him on my ignore list. I'd rather ask my own butthole for basketball information than listen to his ignorant, mindless drivel.


http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6808/owl27bh.jpg

[SPARKY]

Shank doesn't seem all there, ifyouknowwhatimean. Looks like he was ruined after Game 5 too.

[SPARKY]

Sparky, "high post? what's the high post? Only Duncan utilizes any sort of post."

The ultimate moron homer.

Taking jumpers from the top of the key is not posting up, kiddo. I guess Mavs fans are that stupid.

[Shank]

Sparkly - what have you contributed around here in the last 12 days that trumps anything of mine? Save your time, I'll answer for you. Abso-fucking-lutely nothing.

When your precious little Spurs are wiped out tomorrow night by a Jason Terry-less Mavs team, I'm going to shit down your throat and fistfuck your mother (dead or not).

[RON ARTEST]

Excuse me. This board belongs to us 'fucking homers'. Why are you here?
im not talking about all of you. most of you are ok. i just have a problem with people who call players pieces of crap when thier favorite players do the same shit.

[SPARKY]

Funny, I'm on his ignore but he's still replying to me. :lol

My, my, he seems mad.

[Shank]

I'd like to hear from Sparkly how the Mavs new starting lineup will look without Terry and if the Spurs will still stick to their "smallball" lineup against the Mavs adjustments.

[SPARKY]

Damn, this guy is a nut.

[baseline bum]

Well, the odds are still against us. Only 8 teams have done it, Detroit being on of them. And the Mavs are much better than the Magic. A lot of people thought the Spurs would destroy the Kings in Game 2 but it took an incredible shot from Brent Barry.


It's not coming back from 3-1 anymore. Now it's coming back from 3-2. When you condition on winning game 5 the stat probably looks a lot different.

[Shank]

Damn, this guy is a nut.

And yet you still can't talk basketball. Interesting. It's not like it's a difficult question. Anyone following this series or the 2 teams can answer it. But I know you can't.

[Trainwreck2100]

I'd like to hear from Sparkly how the Mavs new starting lineup will look without Terry and if the Spurs will still stick to their "smallball" lineup against the Mavs adjustments.

But aren't you ignoring him?

[SPARKY]

And yet you still can't talk basketball. Interesting. It's not like it's a difficult question. Anyone following this series or the 2 teams can answer it. But I know you can't.

Oh, I can talk basketball.

What happened? I thought you put me on ignore? :lol

Poor bastard.

[IceColdBrewski]

I'd like to hear from Sparkly how the Mavs new starting lineup will look without Terry and if the Spurs will still stick to their "smallball" lineup against the Mavs adjustments.

I thought you were trying to ignore him. Now you want to "hear" from him?
Figure it out already.

[SPARKY]

A prime example of Mavs fans' basketball IQ:


Sparkly - what have you contributed around here in the last 12 days that trumps anything of mine? Save your time, I'll answer for you. Abso-fucking-lutely nothing.

When your precious little Spurs are wiped out tomorrow night by a Jason Terry-less Mavs team, I'm going to shit down your throat and fistfuck your mother (dead or not).

Seriously, do us all a favor and not take the game that seriously. At this rate you'll have a coronary within the next 6 months.

[SPARKY]

I thought you were trying to ignore him. Now you want to "hear" from him?
Figure it out already.

He's worse than a bitch.

[picnroll]

Sparkly - what have you contributed around here in the last 12 days that trumps anything of mine? Save your time, I'll answer for you. Abso-fucking-lutely nothing.

When your precious little Spurs are wiped out tomorrow night by a Jason Terry-less Mavs team, I'm going to shit down your throat and fistfuck your mother (dead or not).

SPARKY has made a lot inciteful observations about the game. So far you've made some insightful observations about your asshole and one of the many things you use it for.

[baseline bum]

Buddy Holly=Tool

This is the only post I've ever agreed with a Dallas fan on. :lol

[Shank]

Let's have it, Sparkly. You talk a lot of shit for someone that doesn't even know the game of his favorite team. Or are you just following the Spurs because they're the only game in town, much like many other San Antonio residents? Answer the question and talk basketball. This is a basketball forum, right?

And he's not on the ignore list. Never was. I was curious to see how much shit he would talk. As predicted, a lot of yapping.

[RON ARTEST]

SPARKY has made a lot inciteful observations about the game. So far you've made some insightful observations about your asshole and one of the many things you use it for.
wow i have been acting like a troll but not that bad. talking about moms is a little to much. especially when he said the dead or alive part.

[Winnipeg_Spur]

Rules say throw a punch, or attempt to throw a punch, you're out.

The ramble quoted above talks about a bunch of infractions that did NOT INVOLVE THROWING PUNCHES. "Balled fists" without swinging at someone != punches. "clotheslines" != punches. "clubbing over the head" is not a fucking punch. "Grabbing testicles" IS NOT A PUNCH. Kicking a ball, kicking a person, neither are a punch.
Seriously, I read that whole rant, and not a single example of a guy throwing a punch and not getting suspended. One of the dumbest "articles" I've ever read. I'd love to read a Mavs fan try to defend it, though.

[LilMissSPURfect]

Default Re: Jason Terry suspended

Jason Terry suspended !!!

[SPARKY]

Damn, he's been ruined too.


Let's have it, Sparkly. You talk a lot of shit for someone that doesn't even know the game of his favorite team.

Yeah, the Spurs have played all season long with a guard starting at the 4. What exactly don't I know?



Or are you just following the Spurs because they're the only game in town, much like many other San Antonio residents? Answer the question and talk basketball. This is a basketball forum, right?


I don't live in SA, genius.




And he's not on the ignore list. Never was. I was curious to see how much shit he would talk. As predicted, a lot of yapping.

Oh, the irony. Castigating others for "how much shit" they will put forth but failing to back up his own.

Get lost you dumb bitch.

[whottt]

wow i have been acting like a troll but not that bad. talking about moms is a little to much. especially when he said the dead or alive part.


Mavfan has to get women any way he can. Don't be cruel.

[Trainwreck2100]

And he's not on the ignore list. Never was. I was curious to see how much shit he would talk. As predicted, a lot of yapping.

That is so fucking weak

[SPARKY]

Mavfan has to get women any way he can. Don't be cruel.

Right now I think Shank would fuck anything that moves.

[baseline bum]

I Cannot Believe It ! On the Mav boards they actually defending Terry...for....

PUNCHING A GUY SQUARE IN THE BALLS !

I am finally speechless with those guys. What response can you give to them other than < blink> and a stupid stare. I have seen it all now.

Didn't you see their board after Juwan Howard clotheslined DA? I remember some asshole named JonG talking about how he wanted Howard to come do it to the rest of the team too. That whole board was a huge circle-jerk for Howard after he killed our playoffs in 2001. I'll never have respect for any Dallas fan after the way that whole place tried to justify that bitch move.

[picnroll]

wow i have been acting like a troll but not that bad. talking about moms is a little to much. especially when he said the dead or alive part.
What are you talking about?

[IceColdBrewski]

he's not on the ignore list. Never was. I was curious to see how much shit he would talk. As predicted, a lot of yapping.

Wow. You will henceforth be known as The King of Weak Excuses.

[Shank]

Pile on me all you want. I could give a shit. If it validates your time here, then so be it. I know that after the Spares are wiped out tomorrow night, I only have to come back to tell you all to suck my cock.

[Trainwreck2100]

Pile on me all you want. I could give a shit. If it validates your time here, then so be it. I know that after the Spares are wiped out tomorrow night, I only have to come back to tell you all to suck my cock.

Sound like a Mavfan thing to do.

[RON ARTEST]

What are you talking about?
go back to the last page or last couple of pages. damn this thread is so long that we dont even know what others are responding to.

[SPARKY]

Pile on me all you want. I could give a shit. If it validates your time here, then so be it. I know that after the Spares are wiped out tomorrow night, I only have to come back to tell you all to suck my cock.

Why is it that the Mavs and their fans end up talking about dick? Seriously.

[picnroll]

Pile on me all you want. I could give a shit. If it validates your time here, then so be it. I know that after the Spares are wiped out tomorrow night, I only have to come back to tell you all to suck my cock.
It's nice to see that the Spurs have fucked up an assholes mind so badly. I mean a class organization like the Spurs and this poor fool is left clinging to a POS like Mavs and the Cubans waiting, praying for the day his torment can be lifted. Must be horrible.

[IceColdBrewski]

Didn't you see their board after Juwan Howard clotheslined DA? I remember some asshole named JonG talking about how he wanted Howard to come do it to the rest of the team too. That whole board was a huge circle-jerk for Howard after he killed our playoffs in 2001. I'll never have respect for any Dallas fan after the way that whole place tried to justify that bitch move.


All this time I thought I was the only one. The entire city of Dallas can suck a fat one as far as I'm concerned.

[maddnezz]

Unbeavable. Bowen punches whomever he's guarding 50 times a game.Wow..... the fish must not be biting up there! :spin

[picnroll]

Wonder which of these assholes is JonG. Probably Skank. He has the all consuming bitterness of the Spurs of that POS.

[MannyIsGod]

Shank Shank Shank.

I just have a couple of questions.

Do you think Terry punched him?

When has someone thrown a punch and not been suspended by the NBA?

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Didn't you see their board after Juwan Howard clotheslined DA? I remember some asshole named JonG talking about how he wanted Howard to come do it to the rest of the team too. That whole board was a huge circle-jerk for Howard after he killed our playoffs in 2001. I'll never have respect for any Dallas fan after the way that whole place tried to justify that bitch move.
Mavs have always been kinda dirty....Dirty players...I remember when they were twins of the Kings during the 2001-2003 years...Kings were pretty much a mirror image of the Mavs with Nash and all with Goober Owners The Maloofs vs. Cuban...except the Kings weren't as dirty, while Mavs had guys like Najera and Juwon Howard and while the Maloofs are dorks, Cuban is just an ass....

Now Mavs stopped being Kings posers and decided to be Spurs posers when they got Avery....Bunch of Wannabes...They're just the dirty mirror image of us new. With new guys like Terry, Stackhouse continuing it. Hopefully the Spurs eliminate the Mavs for their sake.

[maddnezz]

Pile on me all you want. I could give a shit. If it validates your time here, then so be it. I know that after the Spares are wiped out tomorrow night, I only have to come back to tell you all to suck my cock.
Bro , you gotta repair that hole on your blow up doll before you have a stroke!!!!!!!!!!! :smokin Damnit mr and my weed fingers!!! :fro

[gameFACE]

Does anyone have a link to the audio of Terry commenting on the whole thing? I heard it on the news and he wasn't even apologetic. Just man up, admit it and move on. He's lucky the refs didn't catch it or he would have been ejected.

He made a mental mistake. Period.

Thanks to the person who posted the rules some pages back. It makes it clear that Terry's blow was intentional and Evans was just copping a feel. If Terry would have kept his hand open he also would have only been copping a feel.

[1Parker1]

Damn, this may motivate the Mavs even more, and makes tommorow's game even scarier. Sucks, it would have been more fun to beat them at full force. However, at this point with elimination on the horizon, Spurs need all the breaks they can get. :tu

[MannyIsGod]

I don't understand what the deal is with Mav's fans. When I think they can't get any worse, they get worse. Look at that still in this thread. Does that look like anything else but a fist being used to punch someone?

ESPN ran a zoom shot that showed what was going on clearly, but the Mavs fans still have to play the victim. Had this come out today, and if the Spurs had lost by one point last night, there would have been no justice. It just blows my mind how myopic a set of fans can be.

Fine, you guys have arrived. I honestly think you guys have played far better than I ever though you would, and you're probably a better team than I ever gave you credit for. But you haven't won shit yet, so spare me. You can make the plans to shit down all the throats you want as you put it, but make sure your team gets it done first. You're not exactly looking like a lock to win tomorrow night.

But what the fuck do I know? I live near a muddy ugly ass riverwalk.

[baseline bum]

Mavs have always been kinda dirty....Dirty players...I remember when they were twins of the Kings during the 2001-2003 years...Kings were pretty much a mirror image of the Mavs with Nash and all with Goober Owners The Maloofs vs. Cuban...except the Kings weren't as dirty, while Mavs had guys like Najera and Juwon Howard and while the Maloofs are dorks, Cuban is just an ass....

Now Mavs stopped being Kings posers and decided to be Spurs posers when they got Avery....Bunch of Wannabes...They're just the dirty mirror image of us new. With new guys like Terry, Stackhouse continuing it. Hopefully the Spurs eliminate the Mavs for their sake.

I always really liked and respected Najera. He was the reason Dallas was able to come back and take game 5 and have a big lead in game 6 of 2003. Look at the numbers. As soon as Nowitki got injured and Najera started guarding Tim for most of the game, Tim's productivity took a huge hit. They were better off without Nowitzki in 2003 (obviously he's a far better player now and that wouldn't be the case today).

[Shank]

Shank Shank Shank.

I just have a couple of questions.

Do you think Terry punched him?

When has someone thrown a punch and not been suspended by the NBA?

When did I say I disagreed with the suspension? He balled up his fist and used it against another player. No matter if it was 6" off the ground and hit nothing but Finley's shorts, the intent was there. But it's not just the act of punching that makes it inconsistent. It's that it was a minor incident that had to be Zaprudered to find it on the film while other plain-as-day incidents went with only fines and not suspension. Punch or not, there have been more malicious attacks on other players that went with a lesser punishment. I would want the league to be consistent with - "if a player's intent is to hurt another player, no matter the means" - then that player is suspended as well.

I'm fine with the suspension and it sounds like Terry is, too. I think the Mavs will still win tomorrow night's game. I think you all refer to it as "believing".

[Winnipeg_Spur]

Does anyone have a link to the audio of Terry commenting on the whole thing? I heard it on the news and he wasn't even apologetic. Just man up, admit it and move on.
I heard that on espn, when they calling it an apology. It was one of the funniest things I've ever heard. Something like, I'd didn't do it, and if I did it wasn't intentional. :lol


He's lucky the refs didn't catch it or he would have been ejected.
No, we're lucky, if he was ejected someone else takes the last shot, and maybe they make it! ;)

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

I always really liked and respected Najera. He was the reason Dallas was able to come back and take game 5 and have a big lead in game 6 of 2003. Look at the numbers. As soon as Nowitki got injured and Najera started guarding Tim for most of the game, Tim's productivity took a huge hit. They were better off without Nowitzki in 2003 (obviously he's a far better player now and that wouldn't be the case today).Really? I didn't really like his game...I was just saying they were dirty from an opposing fans perspective...just to paint them as our evil twins...but I remember Najera and co. being a little bit dirty, but maybe it's the same way people call Bowen and Ginobili dirty.

Anyway Mavs are So unORIGINAL it's not even funny.

[Shank]

I heard that on espn, when they calling it an apology. It was one of the funniest things I've ever heard. Something like, I'd didn't do it, and if I did it wasn't intentional. :lol


No, we're lucky, if he was ejected someone else takes the last shot, and maybe they make it! ;)

He did apologize on his show, you just didn't hear the same clip on ESPN.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Damn, this may motivate the Mavs even more, and makes tommorow's game even scarier. Sucks, it would have been more fun to beat them at full force. However, at this point with elimination on the horizon, Spurs need all the breaks they can get. :tu
They'll be pretty motivated...Like the Kings in game 2, were it not for Ginobili's performance and the Barry Bouncer we would have split at home..

Also the Suns when they lost Bell, they were motivated and didn't back down from the Lakers in game 6....

But I'm confident the Spurs will do what they have to do, after all they've also got their own reasons to be motivated....Terry being out shouldn't be a concern for either teams..

[maddnezz]

When did I say I disagreed with the suspension? He balled up his fist and used it against another player. No matter if it was 6" off the ground and hit nothing but Finley's shorts, the intent was there. But it's not just the act of punching that makes it inconsistent. It's that it was a minor incident that had to be Zaprudered to find it on the film while other plain-as-day incidents went with only fines and not suspension. Punch or not, there have been more malicious attacks on other players that went with a lesser punishment. I would want the league to be consistent with - "if a player's intent is to hurt another player, no matter the means" - then that player is suspended as well.

I'm fine with the suspension and it sounds like Terry is, too. I think the Mavs will still win tomorrow night's game. I think you all refer to it as "believing".
I don't see you writing to Stu or Stern, just yellimg at us cause your dude balled up his fist and punched Fin in the "lower abdomen area(NUTZ)" Zaprudered, I thought that was Stu's job? And if memory serves me corectly, Mr. Cuban has the highest number of reveiws in the league! SMOKE ON THAT AND HAVE A TWINKIE , SIR!!!! :fro

[MannyIsGod]

Terry is ok with the suspension? Terry has yet to even admit he punched Finley, instead going to the "I don't remember but if I did it it wasn't on purpose" card. All the while your owner making a supreme ass of himself on the radio.

I really found it laughable more than anything. Much like the Mavs fans leaving the AT&T last night who thought holding the fact that they live in a "Metroplex" while I live in San Antonio was something bragworthy. Who the fuck do they think I am, Buddy Holly?

You guys just lost the guy who has been hitting the hardest shots and providing you with a good dose of scoring. You guys just lost one guy who gives us matchup problems and draws the attention of Bowen. No matter how you spin it, you just lost a piece of what you need to beat the Spurs.

Whats left of the Mavs is still enough to beat the Spurs, but this hurt your chances and helped out the Spurs. Spin it anyway you want, but theres no sane person in Dallas who wants them to play without Terry.

[MannyIsGod]

He did apologize on his show, you just didn't hear the same clip on ESPN.An apology followed by a rant in which he says "I didn't do it intentionally I mean I didn't do it all but maybe I did but it wasn't intentional but ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" is hardly an apology but more like going through the motions.

But I really couldn't care less if he's sorry or not, because either way his ass won't be at the AAC tomorrow and that makes a game 7 more likely.

[SPARKY]

You would think that Mavs fans would be pissed as hell at Terry.

[maddnezz]

An apology followed by a rant in which he says "I didn't do it intentionally I mean I didn't do it all but maybe I did but it wasn't intentional but ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" is hardly an apology but more like going through the motions.

But I really couldn't care less if he's sorry or not, because either way his ass won't be at the AAC tomorrow and that makes a game 7 more likely.
Good post Manny! I'm still here in Atlanta it's cool but I miss playin hoops with you guys ! :fro

[MannyIsGod]

You would think that Mavs fans would be pissed as hell at Terry.The majority of them follow the cue of their owner. Cuban didn't put any responsibility of the situation onto Terry, he put it on Stu Jackson. He went as far as making up stories about how imposible it is to punch when on the floor with someone over you. Well, its safe to say young Mark got his ass kicked quite often.

Avery has been strangely silent about the situation from what I can tell. I wonder who he would put the resonsibility on?

[MannyIsGod]

Good post Manny! I'm still here in Atlanta it's cool but I miss playin hoops with you guys ! :froI miss playing ball with us too. :(

:lol

I'm hoping to get the gym soon so we can start playing.

[Winnipeg_Spur]

He did apologize on his show, you just didn't hear the same clip on ESPN.
Ah that makes a little more sense then.

[loveforthegame]

My fear is that they'll have someone give Finley a hard foul if he drives inside. I don't mean a hard foul in like preventing him from getting the basket but in preventing him from getting up period.

I remember when DJ Mbenga was suspended for the hard foul he gave Lebron James in one of the last regular season meetings. AJ's comments were that he told him to deliver hard fouls but how disappointed he was that the league suspended him like that. Especially since he encouraged it.

I was checking out the dallas-mavs.com board and some are calling for fans to burn Fin's jersey at the AAC. Or anything Fin related. What a bunch of hypocrits over there too. There blaming Finley for bringing it to the leagues attention but Cuban does the same damn thing. He not only puts tapes together, he makes phone calls and sends emails, and whines about things in his blog.



Here's a good recap from the Jet show today.

Terry-- I didnt do it. My agent and others are looking for all the footage, etc to get me cleared. (Announcement was made after many players had left practice but everyone called him. He's told everyone). Even though Im not guilty Im sorry.

Cuban- dont apologize. we're behind you.

Terry-- I'm not going to say who ratted on me, but there are only two parties here. Mavs (my boys) are going to win it in 6 games

announcer-- the fans are behind you, lets see you later

piped in sounds-- wooo! I love you!

Cuban:

what a joke. I looked over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Ginobli on top of Terry and Finley jumps on Terry. Terry is on his back and reacts-- its not a roundhouse, whatever

MICHAEL FINLEY calls it in. League looks. League isnt consistent. (cuban backsteps). Finley initated it, through the Spurs etc.

we've seen examples of created contact in reaction. Terry was lying on his back. Maybe Terry punches like a girl. When you have 6 inches to move. Terry is grimmacing the whole time. IT could have been because he was in pain.

Watch it in real time-- whatever. Ginobli is fighting, Finley puts two hands on the ball and Finley drops his hip into Terry. Ginobli looks at the whole thing and doesnt react whatsoever.

Finley acts like a baby. Fin feels like something must have happened. Fin took acting lessons.

Joe Derosa was RIGHT THERE and saw THE ENTIRE THING.

huge difference between reacting and flailing and throwing a punch. Terry didnt get his moneys worth.

(Announcer corrects-- Joe Forte, asks if there should have been a technical or a flagrant...whatever)

Cuban: if his hand was open, it would have been nothing. There was no message sent by what Terry did-- not a punch.

Ginobli hip checks Terry to knock Terry down period. (foul?)

No one thought to suspend Kaman after getting attacked. No one screamed to suspend Ginobli in the Artest case.

Cuban: they'll report some things, but ONLY Malone/Nash thing was enough to freak out about.

SHAME ON THE LEAGUE if they are punishing Terry for Cuban.

league should grow some balls.

We'll put the smack down on san Antone anyways.

EVERY MAV thinks that they need to send a message. They all want to win. AJ knows that sh@t happens-- as if Terry had been injured.

THIS mavs team has that spirit to win. We're focused. We dont need Nick Van Exel to tell them "fe'm". We can freaking play.

Its going to be FREAKING CRAZY at the AAC tomorrow. All fans believe

There isnt any more kidding-- Boo finley. It isnt about Finley. We're a team. Dallas Mavs, Dallas fans, everyone are here together and Fin isnt part of it. Its US vs. THEM

Tyler: What was Terry supposed to do? He sacrficed his body.

Cuban: Terry wasnt looking for contact. He just reacted naturally.

Tyler: this sucks. We're going to be loud tomorrow.

Adrian: how do you feel about Peter Holt refusing tickets to Dallas residents?

Cuban: I hate Spurs. They are sh@theads. they wont let us broadcast Dallas games in San Antone. They are afraid that the fans arent that devoted.

some guy: Im curious what is up with Reggie Evans getting a fine and Terry gets suspended in the playoffs. I'm willing to advertise your opinion, Cuban

Cuban: its unbelievable. I dont understand

David: do you think Fin has animosity against the Mavs because of how he left.

Cuban: everyone should have animosity against someone paying them 15 million dollars. What a luxury (poke?)

announcer: what about the AAC being too loud?
cuban: the fans were just so amazing. Stern just hadnt been to an arena that was that excited. We'll deal with it seperately. We have audio guys there measuring the audio. We havent heard from Stern again about arena noise

woman: was your spotty background with Stern related to the suspension

cuban: it would be REALLY messed up if true. So bad, I dont even want to think about it.

guy: what are we doing to keep Terry here?

cuban: we love him and are doing everything we can to keep him here.

guy: what about putting griffin on duncan?

cuban: Duncan will just go over griff and grab the board.

tom: when we beat San Antone, who do you want to play

Cuban: cleveland because HCA, but lets talk later

guy: duncan got all the calls the other night during his worst year.

cuban: barkley doesnt know sh@t. He doesnt matter.

annoncer: why did it take so long to declare this?

cuban: it took a long time-- they looked at all the views. It took a while to convince themselves that there was soemthing there.

Announcer: what about Avery?

cuban: AJ, the general is the best leader in the league. he's proven himself. Cuban couldnt trust him more. He's defined a culture-- no underdog mentality, hard work, mentality. Its not about opinion. AJ is a special person.

I love owning a team, watching games, being there, being around fans, but I HATE dealing with the NBA

[T Park]

"You punch someone its with intention. If that was a punch, he didn't get his money's worth"



Wanna take a guess who said that?

[SA Gunslinger]

Hey loveforthegame,

Is that an official transcript of the interview? I remember him talking about Austin when he referred to showing games in the Spurs territory.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

"You punch someone its with intention. If that was a punch, he didn't get his money's worth"



Wanna take a guess who said that?

Rocky's trainer Mic?

[T Park]

Nope, that would be Mark Cuban.

Just saw him say it on an interview on ESPNEWS

[loveforthegame]

Hey loveforthegame,

Is that an official transcript of the interview? I remember him talking about Austin when he referred to showing games in the Spurs territory.

Nope, it's not official. It's from one of the Dallas posters on Dallas-mavs.com that listened to the show and was typing the stuff as they listened.

[Trainwreck2100]

Hey loveforthegame,

Is that an official transcript of the interview? I remember him talking about Austin when he referred to showing games in the Spurs territory.


You'd think as a business man he'd understand that that is bad for business. But I guess he only plays the business card wheh it's good for him.

[SANANTOJAMES]

glad it happened, he puched mike in the family jewels. go spurs go

what a punk

i believe, whos with me?

[SA Gunslinger]

You'd think as a business man he'd understand that that is bad for business. But I guess he only plays the business card wheh it's good for him.

Yeah, you learn a lot about a man when you become his enemy.

[trevcourt]

Poor mavericks :depressed

[Kori Ellis]

Hansen Unplugged: The Jason Terry incident

12:12 AM CDT on Friday, May 19, 2006
By DALE HANSEN / WFAA-TV


http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaa060518_wz_terry.562ccef3.html

WFAA-TV When the Mavericks and Spurs meet for Game 6 in Dallas Friday night, the Mavericks will play without guard Jason Terry.

The NBA is suspending Terry for Friday's game for what he did Wednesday night in San Antonio.

There was a scramble for a loose ball, and the league says Terry tried to hit another one.

We have a good shot of this on video. Terry's on the bottom; Spurs guard Michael Finley on top. An arm goes up and Finley is punched below the belt.

There's no question Terry did it, but why?

"The only thing I remember is getting up with that ball in my hands," Terry told ESPN Radio 103.3. "I was not letting go of that ball for anything. His body was on top of mine; Ginobili was on top of me; so it wasn't a good situation, but something that I wouldn't have done and I surely didn't do it intentionally, if it did happen."

Mavericks owner Mark Cuban defended Terry. "It's not like he's throwing a punch, punch, punch. He's just reacting, and they suspend him," Cuban said, adding that the American Airlines Center crowd Friday night will propel his team to the Western Conference finals—with or without Jason Terry.

"Would we rather have Jason there? Of course," Cuban said. "There's not going to be one fan in there that doesn't believe that we can kick their butt all the way back to that ugly-ass, muddy-watered thing they call a Riverwalk."

Cuban obviously thinks there should be a fine and not a suspension, because fines don't mean anything to the billionaire.

What should the fine be for punching a guy ... there?

The suspension doesn't bother me as much as what Terry did. And what he did isn't what bothers me about Terry.

Losing his composure, getting suspended and hurting his team—that should bother everybody.

I think Jason Terry is a good man, and obviously a very good player.

But it does seem a little strange that in a league where almost everybody from top to bottom says that players should decide the games—not the officials—it's an NBA official who might decide Game 6, and maybe the series.

Would the league have suspended Tim Duncan if he did the same thing? I don't know, but I know this:

If there's a scramble for a loose ball and you're a player, you have to know you can only grab one.

[whottt]

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060518/capt.7cce81871e5a43ae9ea6b315883f881b.dallas_terry _suspended_dn108.jpg

[PM5K]

Would the league have suspended Tim Duncan if he did the same thing?

Yes they would have, least ye forget this is the guy that was suspended for one game for inadvertently making contact with an official...

[PM5K]

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060518/capt.7cce81871e5a43ae9ea6b315883f881b.dallas_terry _suspended_dn108.jpg

Yeah whatever you do please let's just leave it at that, I don't want to see any pictures taken after that :vomit:

[RON ARTEST]

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060518/capt.7cce81871e5a43ae9ea6b315883f881b.dallas_terry _suspended_dn108.jpg
how can mavs fans argue against that?

[Kori Ellis]

how can mavs fans argue against that?

Maybe they are like Cuban and think hitting someone with a closed fist isn't necessarily a punch :rolleyes

[whottt]

how can mavs fans argue against that?


They're dumbasses?

They think that block by Bowen was a foul too...

That was like the cleanest sweetest most gorgeous perimeter block in NBA history...they think it's a foul because Bruce is touching Dirk's hand.

Basically Cuban is a homer fan, that's actually one of his more endearing qualities...but the dumbass Mavsfans take everything he says as the gospel...

That Mother Fucker is a about as objective about the Mavs as TimVP in an AJ thread...

[Winnipeg_Spur]

Maybe they are like Cuban and think hitting someone with a closed fist isn't necessarily a punch :rolleyes
It's not a punch, it's a reaction. :lol

If you want to know why it can't be both a reaction and a punch, you'll have to ask Mark Cuban. Apparently he's operating on a much higher plane of logic, that us mortals can't hope to reach. ;)

[Kori Ellis]

It's not a punch, it's a reaction. :lol

If you want to know why it can't be both a reaction and a punch, you'll have to ask Mark Cuban. Apparently he's operating on a much higher plane of logic, that us mortals can't hope to reach. ;)

Yeah I'll have to ask him next time he's here visiting that "ugly-ass, muddy-watered thing they call a Riverwalk."

[RON ARTEST]

Maybe they are like Cuban and think hitting someone with a closed fist isn't necessarily a punch :rolleyes
damn looking at the past pages i cant believe i defended them. :vomit:

[timvp]

Sparky owned this shank person about as much as you can own someone via the internets.

[Borosai]

Cuban is a joke...he wanted Horry suspended for almost biting Smackhouse but bitches about this? He needs a new hobby.

[PM5K]

Cuban is a joke...he wanted Horry suspended for almost biting Smackhouse but bitches about this? He needs a new hobby.

It wasn't even that he almost bit him, he was playing around is the thing...

[jman3000]

spurs in 7

*goes to bed*

[Mavs<Spurs]

I know this does not for a moment mean that we will win game 6 automatically.

But I think that some people are taking the most negative view possible of the suspension. And it does not seem that their position makes sense. If they win without Terry, that does not mean that they would have lost with him. It is in Dallas and it is more than possible that despite the loss of Terry they still fin a way to get the W. But in my view, it will be despite (and not because of ) his absence.

Here's another way to think about it if we want to take this viewpoint to its logical conclusion.

Every team's second best player should go out punch somebody in the groin before some important game. That way that player could get suspended. Therefore, the team would be motivated (ie with a chip on their shoulder). Hence, their chances of winning would be better.

Does anybody really believe that???

That is the logical conclusion of the view of those people here who are saying that losing Terry for a game is somehow an advantage for Dallas.

If you don't like the logical conclusion, then to be consistent you must change your position.

:rolleyes

[MissAllThat]

Wow 34 pages on this thread, a suspension, lots of national coverage about this series, etc. the league better hope this series goes 7. This is how you get those casual fans. Plus, it could be one of 3 7-game series. How much better does it get?

[Condemned 2 HelLA]

Spurs winning 3 in a row.
That's how!

[RON ARTEST]

Wow 34 pages on this thread, a suspension, lots of national coverage about this series, etc. the league better hope this series goes 7. This is how you get those casual fans. Plus, it could be one of 3 7-game series. How much better does it get?
and the crazy thing is, the second round for sure is better then what the conference finals is gonna be.

[Mavs<Spurs]

No Terry for Game 6?

No Problem!

Major blowout on the Spurs to send them packing for the Summer...

Stay tuned!

don't think either team will blow the other out. I would expect a pretty close game which could go either way. I believe that the Spurs will pull it out.

If it is a blowout, then Dallas will be the victor. Spurs won't be able to blow out Dallas in a game where Dallas can eliminate the Spurs, when it is played in Dallas.

[MissAllThat]

and the crazy thing is, the second round for sure is better then what the conference finals is gonna be.

Well, then they better milk it while they can. Although I'm not for sure if this is really true. It seems all the teams that are still in it just aren't backing down. They could all easily surprise us.

[RON ARTEST]

Well, then they better milk it while they can. Although I'm not for sure if this is really true. It seems all the teams that are still in it just aren't backing down. They could all easily surprise us.
i agree.

[Mavs<Spurs]

I know this does not for a moment mean that we will win game 6 automatically.

But I think that some people are taking the most negative view possible of the suspension. And it does not seem that their position makes sense. If they win without Terry, that does not mean that they would have lost with him. It is in Dallas and it is more than possible that despite the loss of Terry they still fin a way to get the W. But in my view, it will be despite (and not because of ) his absence.

Here's another way to think about it if we want to take this viewpoint to its logical conclusion.

Every team's second best player should go out punch somebody in the groin before some important game. That way that player could get suspended. Therefore, the team would be motivated (ie with a chip on their shoulder). Hence, their chances of winning would be better.

Does anybody really believe that???

That is the logical conclusion of the view of those people here who are saying that losing Terry for a game is somehow an advantage for Dallas.

If you don't like the logical conclusion, then to be consistent you must change your position.

:rolleyes


Wait, this gets worse. If that is your position and you are a Spurs fan, then you want ...

anybody see what is coming...

If you want your team to have a chip on its shoulder which will spur them onto a win, what should your second best player do?

That's right, Johnny. Hit a Maverick in the groin so that he will be suspended so that the team will have a chip on their shoulder so that they will have a better chance of winning.

So, we must tell Tony or Manu to do this.

Again, that's the logical conclusion of your view. Don't like the logical conclusion, then you change your position. Otherwise, you have a blatant self-contradiction.

[Mavs<Spurs]

From the arguments made above, looks like some people got owned.

rack 'em.

:lol

:fro

[alamo50]

You know what they say about a wounded animal......they get shot down more easily.

[Spurs Dynasty]

Terry has been suspended before this incident. He was suspended for one game and fined $10,000 for throwing a punch and fighting with Don Reid. He was suspended for one game without pay for elbowing Anthony Johnson. And it looks he was suspended for sneaking a punch against a Rocket player but I couldn't find the details of that melee.

go figure

[Spurs Dynasty]

If the nuts get hit you cannot aquit!

"If you punch in the nuts, you are a freaking putz" ?

[Spurs Dynasty]

Bro , you gotta repair that hole on your blow up doll before you have a stroke!!!!!!!!!!! :smokin Damnit mr and my weed fingers!!! :fro

I have found that rubber cement and a bicycle tire patch work well. But you must give her a break for a day. :lol

[greyforest]

finley is just getting the mavs back for the bullshit calls in games 3 and 4

it was time someone on the spurs did something, jesus christ the mavs have been getting away with so much bullshit.

[shelshor]

It's not a punch, it's a reaction. :lol

If you want to know why it can't be both a reaction and a punch, you'll have to ask Mark Cuban. Apparently he's operating on a much higher plane of logic, that us mortals can't hope to reach. ;)
This is reminding me of "It depends on what your definition of 'is' is"

[dallasjetfan]

finley is just getting the mavs back for the bullshit calls in games 3 and 4

it was time someone on the spurs did something, jesus christ the mavs have been getting away with so much bullshit.

Man, Spurs fans bitch almost as much as Duncan!!

[NoMoneyDown]

Man, Spurs fans bitch almost as much as Duncan!!

Dude, this IS a Spurs message board. You want Mav's lovin' and bitchin', go to one of YOUR team's message boards.

[SPARKY]

Man, Spurs fans bitch almost as much as Duncan!!

But not as much as a Mav.

[dallasjetfan]

Michael Finley is a such a BITCH!!! Still spurned because the Mavs are much better without him and the Spurs aren't!!

[etex211]

Which crybaby from the Spurs front office called the league to get this suspension handed down?

[fyatuk]

Which crybaby from the Spurs front office called the league to get this suspension handed down?

So... Haven't we covered enough why this is an ABSURD statement from a Mavs fan?

[SpursWoman]

Which crybaby from the Spurs front office called the league to get this suspension handed down?



:lmao :lmao :lmao


Considering the league office already has a complete video library of every time a ref missed a call in a Maverick game sent in by Cuban and the Dallas front office, that's probably one of the funniest things I've read in this thread.

[picnroll]

Michael Finley is a such a BITCH!!! Still spurned because the Mavs are much better without him and the Spurs aren't!!
Cuban is an asshole who engenders no loyalty. Finley actually wanted to stay. Van Exel got fucked by Cuban, tore up a contract because he wanted to play with a winner and came to Dallas. Cuban took the deal, undoubtedly sweet talking Nick with all kinds of promises, then turned around and slid it up NVE trading him to a losing team for a better deal. Great loyalty. Way to keep promises. One example of the no class, no loyalty to anybody but himself Mark Cuban at work.

Well that attitude is goingt to pay dividends. You hear Mavs' palyers talk they have no loyalty to the organization like players from the Spurs, Detroit, Phoenix who will take lesser deals to stay with the organization. Why should they they know Cuban has zero loyalty or class. Nash said "fuck you Mark, I'm out of here. No more shower room gropes for you". That's the way all the Mavs players will be becuase they know they have a owner with no class and no loyalty to them. Afterall look at the way Cuban just publically trashed a player who's jersey should eventually be hanging in the AA center. Only Cuban of all owners would stoop that low and players know that. All the players in the league. Afterall they're not as stupid as Dallas fans are.

[Taco]

Terry says he was trying to call time-out

during the halftime show of the Clippers, Suns game they played a taped telephone interview with Terry



His opening statement about the INCIDENT was “Manu was laying on top of him, the whistle blew then Finley came in an piled on”



Then he says “I was trying to call time out, if I hit him it was by accident”



He is full of Crap!!!



I guess you call time out with a closed fist to Finley’s Crotch.



He starts off justifying what he did then denied it!!



If you look at the film right when he RACKED Finley, Finley pointed and yelled at Terry, Terry got up never making eye contact and walked away, he looked like the little kid who just broke a window and tried to walk away before anyone noticed

[picnroll]

Pippen and the boys got a good chuckle out of Terry's way of calling time out.

[SpursWoman]

Pippen and the boys got a good chuckle out of Terry's way of calling time out.


Somone needs to tell Terry that you call a time out with two hands, open. :lol

[etex211]

Nash said "fuck you Mark, I'm out of here.


Best thing that ever happened to the Mavericks. That move started the chain of events that brought Terry, Stackhouse, and Harris to the Mavericks. Mavs fans really grew weary of watching Nash turn into Mike Bibby's boy in the playoffs every year.

[etex211]

So... Haven't we covered enough why this is an ABSURD statement from a Mavs fan?

So you're not denying it......

Spurs fans (and I guess the front office, too) take their cue from their superstar, who happens to be the biggest crybaby in the league.

Duncan's performance in the game 5 post game interview was priceless.....showed how classless he really is.

[101A]

I'm not a guy, but I've always been told that any kind of contact that doesn't involve a happy ending is brutal.


:angel

So, some dude convinced you that if it gets touched the deal needs to be sealed?

:smokin

[fyatuk]

So you're not denying it......

Spurs fans (and I guess the front office, too) take their cue from their superstar, who happens to be the biggest crybaby in the league.

Duncan's performance in the game 5 post game interview was priceless.....showed how classless he really is.

LOL. I have no idea whether anyone in the Spurs organization brought it to the attention of the league. If they did, it would be one of the first times they ever did.

But it's still absurd for a Mavs fan to talk about bringing crap to the leagues attention.

If you think Duncan is classless, then you have no idea what class is.

[picnroll]

So you're not denying it......

Spurs fans (and I guess the front office, too) take their cue from their superstar, who happens to be the biggest crybaby in the league.

Duncan's performance in the game 5 post game interview was priceless.....showed how classless he really is.
Game 5. wtf are you talking about.
Duncan happens to be one of it not the most respected palyers in the league by other palyers. Spurs organization is the most respected or top two organizations in the league. On the other hand the Mavs ... :lol

[etex211]

Game 5. wtf are you talking about.
Duncan happens to be one of it not the most respected palyers in the league by other palyers. Spurs organiozation is the most respected organization or top two in the league. On the other hand the Mavs ... :lol

Sorry, my mistake....it was game 4.

[picnroll]

Sorry, my mistake....it was game 4.
Duncan just got screwed for the second game in a row by the refs. He figured better to say nothing than by be baited by the reporters into telling the truth about what went on. Class move. Avery would have done some passive/aggressive whining shit and Marky Mark would have bitched and written a blog.

[SpursWoman]

So, some dude convinced you that if it gets touched the deal needs to be sealed?

:smokin


:angel



I still can't believe all of this misplaced indignation by Maverick fans....it just really blows my mind.

We understand. It's everyone else's fault but Terry's for Terry punching Finley in the junk. Gottcha.

[Extra Stout]

Somone needs to tell Terry that you call a time out with two hands, open. :lol
Whatever gave him the idea that Michael Finley's package was a "time out" button?

[picnroll]

I actually think it was deliberate by Terry, thought he would pull off a clever move to get a technical on Finley and tie the game. Nearly worked too. If Duncan and Bowen hadn't restrained Finley he would have gone after Terry and likely drawn the T putting Dirk at the line. Spurs could well then have lost, possibly in OT, but any retribution to Terry would be too late. Series would be over. Second game screwed unquestionably when you count the delay of game technical Bavetta admitted he wouldn't have called if he knew it was the Spurs second in game four.

Fortunately Bowen and Ducan interceded and the shitbag Terry is now paying the consequences.

[etex211]

Duncan just got screwed for the second game in a row by the refs. He figured better to say nothing than by be baited by the reporters into telling the truth about what went on. Class move. Avery would have done some passive/aggressive whining shit and Marky Mark would have bitched and written a blog.


Oh, okay.....

So I can put you down as one of the whiney fans that think the score of this series is Spurs 2, Refs 3, Mavs 0?


(For the record, in the first five games of this series, the Spurs have been called for 127 fouls while the Mavericks have been called for 129 fouls.)

The Mavs were once one of the worst teams in the league about whining to the officials during games. Avery Johnson has taken care of that problem. Now they just play. The Spurs, on the other hand, have Tim Duncan and Michael Finley.....

[Carie]

(For the record, in the first five games of this series, the Spurs have been called for 127 fouls while the Mavericks have been called for 129 fouls.)I see you don't have many posts so it's likely you haven't had a chance to read a lot of the threads on this subject. The problem many people here (and elsewhere) have with the fouls is the quality (or lack there of) of the calls, and the timing of the calls. Not the total number.

[Rummpd]

ALL MAVS FANS!

The facts speak for themselves, the total fouls are the same or nearly so, but the fact remains, the calls that matter have been terribly and unjustly skewed toward the Mavs in crucial and sublime calls at ends of games, including notably calls on defensive stars Duncan and Bowen that were
PHANTOM BS.

Of course living in the fantasy world that is Cuban land - you cannot see that!

[etex211]

I see you don't have many posts so it's likely you haven't had a chance to read a lot of the threads on this subject. The problem many people here (and elsewhere) have with the fouls is the quality (or lack there of) of the calls, and the timing of the calls. Not the total number.


I see.....

So all of the fouls that have been called on the Mavs are legitimate, but most of the fouls on the Spurs are illegitimate BS......

.....Makes sense to me

<sigh>

[picnroll]

Oh, okay.....

So I can put you down as one of the whiney fans that think the score of this series is Spurs 2, Refs 3, Mavs 0?


(For the record, in the first five games of this series, the Spurs have been called for 127 fouls while the Mavericks have been called for 129 fouls.)

The Mavs were once one of the worst teams in the league about whining to the officials during games. Avery Johnson has taken care of that problem. Now they just play. The Spurs, on the other hand, have Tim Duncan and Michael Finley.....
Put me down as one of those reality based fans who know the series should be 4 - 1 Spurs and Mavs should be getting out their tackle boxes. Look out the Dallas - Fort Worth fantasy zone and see what most fans and media have said.

Somebody bette get the Avery whining memo to Dirk. He's still doing it.And Howard. And Terry. And Shithouse

[etex211]

Put me down as one of those reality based fans who know the series should be 4 - 1 Spurs and Mavs should be getting out their tackle boxes.


So what you are saying is that every time the Spurs lose a close game, they got screwed.

You sound like a reasonable fan to me.

Geez.

[SpursWoman]

The Mavs were once one of the worst teams in the league about whining to the officials during games. Avery Johnson has taken care of that problem. Now they just play.


k. :lmao

[ObiwanGinobili]

:pctoss
got dayum it. this thread has grown 9 pages since I went to bed! arrrrgggggggggg!

[Rapper]

This is a good news for our!!

[etex211]

k. :lmao

It's easy to understand how your perspective could be clouded by watching Duncan cry all of these years.

[fyatuk]

I see.....

So all of the fouls that have been called on the Mavs are legitimate, but most of the fouls on the Spurs are illegitimate BS......

.....Makes sense to me

<sigh>

Reading comprehension much?

There were SOME BS calls during crunch time in games 3 and 4 that definitely helped the mavs. There were some BS calls other times that were just HORRIDLY bad in general (favoring both sides).

NO ONE claims ALL the fouls called on the Mavs are legit, and no one claims that MOST Spurs fouls are not.

[etex211]

Reading comprehension much?

There were SOME BS calls during crunch time in games 3 and 4 that definitely helped the mavs. There were some BS calls other times that were just HORRIDLY bad in general (favoring both sides).

NO ONE claims ALL the fouls called on the Mavs are legit, and no one claims that MOST Spurs fouls are not.


So the Spurs NEVER commit fouls in the closing minutes of games? The refs are just out to get them, right?

You people are amazing.

[nkdlunch]

(For the record, in the first five games of this series, the Spurs have been called for 127 fouls while the Mavericks have been called for 129 fouls.)


I freaking hate when ppl bring this kind of shit up!!!! That is not the point!!!! god dammit!!!! The reason some spurs fans were complaining is that there were very dubious calls against the Spurs at the late seconds of very,very,very close games. get it right

[CubanMustGo]

Which crybaby from the Spurs front office called the league to get this suspension handed down?

Why does it matter? Didn't Cuban himself go on the warpath to get Horry suspended after he gummed Stackhouse in the regular season?

Karma's a bitch, and so's Cuban.

[CosmicCowboy]

http://www.hi.is/~eliasg/myndir/burt.jpg

Man Law #1

You never EVER sucker punch another guy in the nuts!

[Carie]

I see.....

So all of the fouls that have been called on the Mavs are legitimate, but most of the fouls on the Spurs are illegitimate BS......

.....Makes sense to me

<sigh>
Yes, that's exactly what I said. <sigh>

Did you even read my post? I was trying to throw you a bone. You're new here and have (had) an opportunity to prove to be an intelligent contributor from another team.

Please read the post 5 minutes prior to yours. Maybe it will clear things up a bit for you.

[ctpsb]

I freaking hate when ppl bring this kind of shit up!!!! That is not the point!!!! god dammit!!!! The reason some spurs fans were complaining is that there were very dubious calls against the Spurs at the late seconds of very,very,very close games. get it right

And a pattern. Who cares if the calls go against NVE. Duncan fouling out, Ginobili having an MVP game FOULING OUT AFTER 26 MINUTES!!. It's the pattern.

[fyatuk]

So the Spurs NEVER commit fouls in the closing minutes of games? The refs are just out to get them, right?

You people are amazing.

Like I said before, reading comprehension much? Did I say ALL the foul calls in crunch time were bogus? I said SOME.

Sheesh. I guess our schools do need more funding.

[SpursWoman]

It's easy to understand how your perspective could be clouded by watching Duncan cry all of these years.


The irony knows no bounds.

[ctpsb]

So the Spurs NEVER commit fouls in the closing minutes of games? The refs are just out to get them, right?

You people are amazing.

Whatever the reason these are the facts :

Duncan and Ginobili have already fouled out this series. Bowen has had 5 in a crucial time. Has Nowitzki or Terry or Harris or Howard even had more than 4 in a game?

[CubanMustGo]

Duncan and Ginobili have already fouled out this series. Bowen has had 5 in a crucial time. Has Nowitzki or Terry or Harris or Howard even had more than 4 in a game?

No, now you'll get the argument that Diop and Dampier fouling out = Duncan and Ginobili, even tho the Mavs' strategy is to foul TD as much as possible.

[ctpsb]

No, now you'll get the argument that Diop and Dampier fouling out = Duncan and Ginobili, even tho the Mavs' strategy is to foul TD as much as possible.

Exactly. I thought about that after posting so let me add now --

NO -- using up 12 fouls doesn't equal having key players taken out of games.

[1Parker1]

The Mavs were once one of the worst teams in the league about whining to the officials during games. Avery Johnson has taken care of that problem. Now they just play...


:lol Oh, really? Then explain to me what AJ is doing when he's jumping up and down on the sidelines and halfway on the court with the players during a game...

[MILFFL Hunter]

So the Spurs NEVER commit fouls in the closing minutes of games? The refs are just out to get them, right?

You people are amazing.

How'd Bowen foul Nowitzki near the end of regulation in game 4? How does Nowitzki get 24 trips to the line in a game? Yeah, that's legit.

[DarrinS]

So the Spurs NEVER commit fouls in the closing minutes of games? The refs are just out to get them, right?

You people are amazing.


It's not just Spurs complaining about bad calls in games 3 and 4. It has been all over the media the past week or so. Only Dallas homers are too blind to see it.

The way a Mavs fan sees it, that punch to the nuts should have been a foul on Finley's balls.

[Crookshanks]

Charlie and Chance talked this morning with a Dallas media guy and he said that Jason Terry had been suspended 3 times before (when he was in Atlanta) for throwing a punch and the league looks at him as a repeat offender. He also said the video clearly shows that it was a punch and the rules are the rules.

Tough break for Dallas - but all the blame goes squarely on Jason Terry!!

[Carie]

The way a Mavs fan sees it, that punch to the nuts should have been a foul on Finley's balls.
:rollin
:rollin
:rollin

[ctpsb]

:rollin
:rollin
:rollin

Love it! Exactly. HOW DARE FINLEY'S JEWELS GET IN THE WAY OF HIS FIST!!!!

[LilMissSPURfect]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/kblackistone/stories/051906dnspoblackistone.22121a6e.html
Mavs, Cuban hit where it hurts
"
But it was a punch. The league doesn't tolerate it; can't tolerate it. Terry has no one to blame except himself – at least for losing his cool.

Having been found out, however, after no one saw anything untoward at first, is something Terry can share with his boss.

Had the fist been on the opposition's arm, you can bet a tape would've been overnighted from Dallas to New York pointing out the transgression and calling for justice. "

[Taco]

http://www.hi.is/~eliasg/myndir/burt.jpg

Man Law #1

You never EVER sucker punch another guy in the nuts!

:lol

:nutkick:

[ducks]

Mavs, Cuban hit where it hurts


11:47 PM CDT on Thursday, May 18, 2006


It should've been no surprise that Mark Cuban ventured into the film business a few years ago. He's shown a keen interest in the visual arts during most of his time as Mavericks owner.

Ask Chris Webber. Shaquille O'Neal. Yao Ming.

All became subjects of Cuban productions in recent years, productions he was so proud of that he shared them with the league office. Wanted it to see how Webber dragged his pivot foot and the referees never called it. How Shaq always stepped across the free throw line before his shot hit anything. How Yao set moving screens that weren't drawing whistles.

The chicken came home to roost Thursday.

How else to explain the sudden unexpected suspension of starting guard Jason Terry for tonight's Game 6? The league announced late Thursday afternoon that it was benching Terry for punching Michael Finley during a scrum with seconds left in Game 5.

Finley was unusually agitated after the grappling. Terry wasn't assessed a foul on the play. No one seemed to see anything unseemly happen. A jump ball was called.

But the Spurs went Cuban on the Mavericks sometime after the game. They sent a tape to the league office that showed Terry landing a punch to Finley's groin.

It was an easy decision for league disciplinarian Stu Jackson, who earlier in this postseason tossed Miami's Udonis Haslem for a game for angrily throwing his mouthpiece in the direction of an official.

Cuban, not surprisingly, disagreed with Jackson's penalty. A fine was due, he said, but not a suspension.

Oh, well. Live by Netflix, die by Netflix.

Cuban isn't the only NBA team boss who sends the league office tape. He's just made his team one of the biggest exercisers of the practice.

Now the Mavericks' great opportunity to move past the Spurs in the playoffs for the first time is in great jeopardy. With Terry and the home court, where the Spurs haven't beaten the Mavericks in two games during this series, it seemed like tonight's game was theirs to lose. With Terry in civvies, it will be the Spurs' to lose. This will test coach of the year Avery Johnson and his staff like they haven't been all year.

What, after all, are they to do? Return Adrian Griffin to the starting lineup? Griffin teamed with Terry until it became apparent after Game 1 that the team was better with Devin Harris joining Terry in the backcourt and trying to run past the Spurs. Griffin hasn't even played the last three games.

How about starting Marquis Daniels? Johnson has had to defend Daniels as being one of "his guys" because he seems so often to have little patience for any Daniels miscue, as was the case early in this series, when he snatched Daniels after a horrible turnover and foul.

Or how about return Jerry Stackhouse to a starter's role and sacrifice all that microwaved offense he brings off the bench? The bench is short of scorers as it is.

Of course, the NBA conspiracy theorists among us are probably saying that this is all a grand scheme by the league to somehow ensure that the most-anticipated matchup of the postseason, which is living up to expectations and then some, keeps going until the deciding Game 7 in San Antonio.

But that's pure poppycock. Don King isn't running this show. And the way these playoffs have been going, what with all the overtimes and buzzer-beaters and nail-biters and upsets, the league doesn't need to orchestrate any theater.

The bottom line is that Terry, one of a locker room full of good guys for the Mavericks, lost his cool for a split second and, as a result, got what anyone else who committed the offense he did would get: a game off.

It wasn't Raja Bell clotheslining Kobe Bryant, which Bell did foolishly in Game 5 of the Suns' opening-round series against the Lakers to draw a Game 6 suspension. It wasn't Ron Artest elbowing Manu Ginobili in the head in the opener of the Kings-Spurs series, which cost the historically feisty Artest a Game 2 appearance. It wasn't Miami's James Posey bum-rushing Chicago's Kirk Hinrich, which cost Posey a game in the Heat-Bulls opening-round series.

But it was a punch. The league doesn't tolerate it; can't tolerate it. Terry has no one to blame except himself – at least for losing his cool.

Having been found out, however, after no one saw anything untoward at first, is something Terry can share with his boss.

Had the fist been on the opposition's arm, you can bet a tape would've been overnighted from Dallas to New York pointing out the transgression and calling for justice.dallas PAPER (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/kblackistone/stories/051906dnspoblackistone.22121a6e.html)

[ducks]

Can not believe that artcile is from dallas paper


cuban will buy that paper out

[FromWayDowntown]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/kblackistone/stories/051906dnspoblackistone.22121a6e.html
Mavs, Cuban hit where it hurts
"Had the fist been on the opposition's arm, you can bet a tape would've been overnighted from Dallas to New York pointing out the transgression and calling for justice. "

There's no doubt about that, and I think it's curious that Mavericks fans are exorcised over the fact that the Spurs asked the league to examine the tape. Cuban was sending the same sorts of tapes to the league last year, complaining about Yao Ming's moving screens. I'd be hard-pressed to believe that the proliferation of travelling calls in Game 4 wasn't preceded by the delivery of a tape from the Mavs to the league office complaining about Tony Parker travelling. Every team asks the league to look at something from time to time. This is hardly unusual and Mavericks fans, of all NBA fans, should know that by now.

[LilMissSPURfect]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/img/v3/05-19-2006.n1a_19terryLEDE.GE71SU5GP.1.jpg

[Carie]

and I think it's curious that Mavericks fans are exorcised over the fact that the Spurs asked the league to examine the tape.
It's been a long night, but I think Cuban was also complaining on the radio yesterday that a tape was sent in.

[LilMissSPURfect]

what gets me is that cuban makes remarks about how ginobili didn't do anything about it. IS it the MAN thing to do... to stand up for his team mate and ask another man ...."hey don't mess with my man's nuts" or was he suppose to retalliate? and punch terry in the nuts too?

[FromWayDowntown]

It's been a long night, but I think Cuban was also complaining on the radio yesterday that a tape was sent in.

That's as ironic as anything.

[SpursWoman]

Oh, well. Live by Netflix, die by Netflix.


:lol

[FromWayDowntown]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/img/v3/05-19-2006.n1a_19terryLEDE.GE71SU5GP.1.jpg


I thought Cubes swore that Finley was laying on Terry's head when the punch was thrown. That photo sure makes it appear that Terry is in process with the punch and Finley appears to be getting up.

I understand some of where Cuban is coming from, but taking a completely non-objective position about what happened and then, in essence, giving your guy a pass for acting stupidly is ridiculous.

[BigBinBigD]

Can not believe that artcile is from dallas paper


cuban will buy that paper out

Much to you guys' disbelief, this is how most Dallas people I've talked to feel. Ball your fist, throw it, get suspended. No questions asked. Cuban's just a blind homer, much like just about everyone on here.

[FromWayDowntown]

Much to you guys' disbelief, this is how most Dallas people I've talked to feel. Ball your fist, throw it, get suspended. No questions asked. Cuban's just a blind homer, much like just about everyone on here.

Agreed on all points. I hear more and more of that coming from Dallas about this situation.

Had it been a Spur who did that, I'd completely understand a suspension and wish like hell that the player hadn't done it.

[ducks]

Much to you guys' disbelief, this is how most Dallas people I've talked to feel. Ball your fist, throw it, get suspended. No questions asked. Cuban's just a blind homer, much like just about everyone on here.

nice post
glad all dallas has not lost it
nice all mav posters here do not act like 5 year old spoiled brats

I was ticked duncan got suspened for actidently touching a ref but that is against the rules and you get suspened.

[CubanMustGo]

Much to you guys' disbelief, this is how most Dallas people I've talked to feel. Ball your fist, throw it, get suspended. No questions asked. Cuban's just a blind homer, much like just about everyone on here.

Even Dale Hanson (while bemoaning that the league office got involved) took a fairly balanced stand. Props.

[BigBinBigD]

nice post
glad all dallas has not lost it
nice all mav posters here do not act like 5 year old spoiled brats

I was ticked duncan got suspened for actidently touching a ref but that is against the rules and you get suspened.

Mavs fans can talk about Spurs fans and vice versa. Truth is, all cities are about the same. 90% idiotic homers, 10% level-headed, fair-minded people. Same goes for this forum.

[Carie]

Had it been a Spur who did that, I'd completely understand a suspension and wish like hell that the player hadn't done it.
:tu

[Carie]

Mavs fans can talk about Spurs fans and vice versa. Truth is, all cities are about the same. 90% idiotic homers, 10% level-headed, fair-minded people. Same goes for this forum.
Could you please take some of your homers back with you to your own forums? :p

I am curious, do you have a lot of blinded-by-their-homerness Spurs fans invading your boards?

[austinfan]

If a Spur had done something this stupid in such a close series--or in any game, really--your play should speak for itself, you shouldn't have to rely on this juvenile stuff to get you through a game or fired up or whatever--I would be saying in here that the player got what he deserved.

[BigBinBigD]

Could you please take some of your homers back with you to your own forums? :p

I am curious, do you have a lot of blinded-by-their-homerness Spurs fans invading your boards?

Then how much fun would it be?

There's not as many Spurs homers there because the Mavs boards are not nearly as inciting. The name-calling and negative threads just make people all riled and they can't stay away. Almost every Mavs fan on here has been insulted, called a name, or told to get the hell outta here if they don't agree with everything Spurs. Even when they have a legitamit post.

[SA210]

Heard audio clip on Dallas' Ticket radio show right now.

Cuban said PJ Carlisemo is always at the scorers table all game long talking to them and the refs crying. He said it's obvious PJ sent the tape in.

He said PJ is 10X's the whiner that Cuban is.

:lmao :lmao :lmao

This is too much, I love this thread!!

:lmao :lmao :lmao

[Trainwreck2100]

Then how much fun would it be?

There's not as many Spurs homers there because the Mavs boards are not nearly as inciting. The name-calling and negative threads just make people all riled and they can't stay away. Almost every Mavs fan on here has been insulted, called a name, or told to get the hell outta here if they don't agree with everything Spurs. Even when they have a legitamit post.


Welp, you weren't here for games 2-4 so you didn't see all the Mavs fans be complete dickwads. The ones who started to riled threads were them, they came in and disrupted our rally threads, which no PO team before had done. Your fellow fans have shown ZERO respect to the board, it's mods, or it's posters. Your team had poor ambassadors, and you expect us to just walk it off. But it's not like you care you only see the world through Mavs colored glasses.

[SpursWoman]

Almost every Mavs fan on here has been insulted, called a name, or told to get the hell outta here if they don't agree with everything Spurs.


:lmao

Poor, poor babies. The majority of first posts by Maverick fans in this forum have included one or more of the following and have gone down hill from there:


a.) THE SPURS SUCK!!!! THE MAVS WILL KICK THEIR ASS!!!!!
b.) WAAAAAAAAH! WAAAAAAAAAAAH!
c.) SAN ANTONIO SUCKS!!!!
d.) Why are there avatars of women in bra's.....ya'll are all whores

I could go on, and on and on. The majority of them have been about as incredibly rude and obnoxious from the get-go than any group of people that have ever come into this forum. Excuse me if I have a very bad opinion of Maverick fans and have no sympathy whatsoever.

[fyatuk]

Then how much fun would it be?

There's not as many Spurs homers there because the Mavs boards are not nearly as inciting. The name-calling and negative threads just make people all riled and they can't stay away. Almost every Mavs fan on here has been insulted, called a name, or told to get the hell outta here if they don't agree with everything Spurs. Even when they have a legitamit post.

Look, he just admitted the mavs posters don't normally have legit posts..

[Islymore]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/img/v3/05-19-2006.n1a_19terryLEDE.GE71SU5GP.1.jpg


Again... I am a Mavs fan.

But to me... this picture shows that Terry knew what he was doing when he did it. His eyes are looking at the area where he wanted to strike. His fist is bawled up. To me - that equals a suspension.

I fault Terry. Point blank and I said it in other forums, said it here before.

He made the decision and based on Finley's reaction... I knew something had been done plus, JET skirted away too quickly. I know sneakiness when I see it...

... EDIT: I dont think I am too rude of a Mavs fan. I think I am pretty objective.

[Trainwreck2100]

Again... I am a Mavs fan.




Then why do you have a bravatar, not that there is anything wrong with that.

[Islymore]

^Hey... I'm workin off of a broken computer man... It's the only pic that would fit!!!! Plus, I love that pic of me...

[DarrinS]

Sorry Kori if this has already been posted (I don't have time to read almost 40 pages of posts)....


Anyone remember in last years playoffs, when Terry went under a screen and Nash burned them with a 3? Nowitzski WENT OFF on Terry. I wonder if any of his teammates have "torn him a new one" for being such an idiot. These kind of things can kill a teams chemistry.

[SA210]

Cuban said Finley deserves to be booed in Dallas and asked Mavs fans to do it anytime Finley enters the city.

He said Finley is a baby it rubbed off on him from Tim Duncan.

:lmao

[tlongII]

^Hey... I'm workin off of a broken computer man... It's the only pic that would fit!!!! Plus, I love that pic of me...

I love it too.

[4001 STEREO SPUR]

Cuban's a crybaby. His team's going to get what's coming.

[MILFFL Hunter]

Cuban attempting to turn Terry into a martyr is hilarious. Good to see that Mavs fans (some) can see through that.

[Spurs Dynasty]

^Hey... I'm workin off of a broken computer man... It's the only pic that would fit!!!! Plus, I love that pic of me...

I think we all do !! :blah :blah

[Spurs Dynasty]

So the Spurs NEVER commit fouls in the closing minutes of games? The refs are just out to get them, right?

You people are amazing.

Yes. It is a well known fact that the Spurs never, ever foul and the other teams always foul. Therefore any calls against the Spurs are BS calls. And, yes , all the refs are out to get us. And it isn't paranoia if they REALLY ARE out to get ya.

:lol

[BigBinBigD]

Cuban said Finley deserves to be booed in Dallas and asked Mavs fans to do it anytime Finley enters the city.

He said Finley learned his baby crying from Tim Duncan.

:lmao

Finley was the biggest cry-baby the Mavs ever had. Couldn't wait to get rid of him. He would stand there pleading with the ref, with that crying expression of his, even when a teammate would rebound his miss and put it back in. Saw that a MILLION times. I think maybe he taught Timmie. Nah, on second thought, he's been doing that for a long time...

[Islymore]

... Are all fans subject to believing the conspiracies - Mavs/Spurs?... Just wanna know...

[zrinkill]

Every team fouls ...... But the Mavs big men foul on every play.

[ShoogarBear]

^Hey... I'm workin off of a broken computer man... It's the only pic that would fit!!!!
LMAO. I love how nobody knows what you mean by this, but we damn sure aren't going to try to change anything. :spin

[Islymore]

LMAO. I love how nobody knows what you mean by this, but we damn sure aren't going to try to change anything. :spin

lol... yeah... and just when i was thinkin about changin it...

[picnroll]

^Hey... I'm workin off of a broken computer man... It's the only pic that would fit!!!! Plus, I love that pic of me...
Finally a Mav's fan whose shown us something worthwhile.

[Islymore]

Finally a Mav's fan whose shown us something worthwhile.

now... i dont know how to take that...

[picnroll]

now... i dont know how to take that...
I mean you made a couple of fine points. Lets see, Terry was at fault and the leauge did what they had to do. At least I think those were the points. :angel

[nkdlunch]

go to mavtalk.com

the thread about terry, those guys are in unbeleivable denial :lol

[Trainwreck2100]

go to mavtalk.com

the thread about terry, those guys are in unbeleivable denial :lol

who gives a rats ass.

[nkdlunch]

who gives a rats ass.

I do

[Trainwreck2100]

I do

well you shouldn't

[SpursWoman]

Again... I am a Mavs fan.

... EDIT: I dont think I am too rude of a Mavs fan. I think I am pretty objective.



One of the very few ... and you're appreciated. :tu

I'm pretty sure I can speak for the guys when I say that, too. :lol

[nkdlunch]

well you shouldn't

ok, fine

[Islymore]

One of the very few ... and you're appreciated. :tu

I'm pretty sure I can speak for the guys when I say that, too. :lol


Thanks Spurswoman... I def appreciate that.

[sa_butta]

After discussing the matter amongst others it has been determined that Jason Terry heard "jump ballS" and in turned racked Finley in the nuts.

This is excusable in my book, it was pretty loud in there.

[SA210]

I already posted this in another thread "Living on a Prayer"

But since this thread is pretty much a classic, I had to post it here.

On Ticket760.com they played audio of Don Harris asking Pop what he thought about Cubans comments.

Pop's response to Cuban's "muddy water riverwalk" comments:

"after a margarita I don't know what's in the river , maybe he ought to come down there and have a margarita....

and show some maturity"

[pache100]

that is so sad that tim duncan and most of the spurs are so boring that all you guys talk about is eva. :lol

Yeah, you're hilarious alright. No one has mentioned Eva's name for days...we ain't got time for Eva right now. :blah

[Melmart1]

Did anyone else think that Islymore's avatar was from a painting. It looks like a painting to me.

[texas84]

"Jason Terry has been throwing a lot of punches in the series," Parker said. "He's gotten me so many times with cheap shots."

Oh really... haven't heard or seen anything about it til now. I hope Parker misses some game saving free throws AGAIN tonight.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Did anyone else think that Islymore's avatar was from a painting. It looks like a painting to me.
picturesque, isn't it? http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif

[CosmicCowboy]

Did anyone else think that Islymore's avatar was from a painting. It looks like a painting to me.

no, but I would be delighted to make them a painting for you...:lol

http://www.learningexpress.com/jsp/images/catalog_images/af207_l.jpg

[mavsfan1000]

Terry was just racking the balls in pool. No need for suspension on that.

[smeagol]

Terry was just racking the balls in pool. No need for suspension on that.
Quit complaining bobo, Manu is not playing too so things have evened out :lol

[greywheel]

Went back a couple of pages and did not see this posted yet.

Terry Admits Punch (http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/14622472.htm)


Mavs' Terry owns up to punch By ART GARCIA
Star-Telegram Staff Writer

DALLAS — Despite the protests and the explanations to the contrary, Mavericks guard Jason Terry did punch San Antonio guard Michael Finley in the final few moments of Game 5.

Video confirmed it. And Terry did, too.

Seeing several of the countless replays of the short jab to Finley’s groin, Terry admitted Friday: “I really did get him a little bit. I didn’t know to what extent.”

It was enough for Terry to be suspended by the NBA for Game 6 of the Western Conference semifinals tonight at American Airlines Center.

The Mavs lead the best-of-seven series 3-2 over the defending champions.

The incident occurred with 3.4 seconds left in the Spurs’ 98-97 victory Wednesday in San Antonio. After a scramble for a loose ball at midcourt, Terry hit Finley with a closed fist as the players were being separated.

Terry is eligible to return if Game 7 is necessary Monday night in San Antonio. He accepted the punishment without much complaint.

The league office said a punch, whether it connects or not, warrants an automatic one-game suspension. A league spokesman added Friday that Terry’s previous suspensions for similar actions didn’t factor into this suspension. As a member of the Atlanta Hawks, Terry was suspended twice for throwing a punch and once for an elbow.

“I’m very disappointed, but there’s always a punishment for your actions,” said Terry, averaging 18.2 points in the series. “It happened so quick. My reaction caused me to miss Game 6, but I’ve got confidence in my teammates.”

Jerry Stackhouse is expected to start in Terry’s place alongside Devin Harris. Adrian Griffin, Marquis Daniels and Darrell Armstrong could take on increased roles in making up the loss of the top scorer behind Dirk Nowitzki.

“They’ve got to do it collectively,” Terry said. “We’ve been doing it all series long. In the game we won by double figures [113-91, Game 2], I only scored 11. It can be done and it will be done.

“These guys are ready. They’re so focused. I see it in everybody’s eyes. I’m just sorry to have this distraction, if it is any.”

Terry called the league’s actions “inconsistent” with previous rulings. Mavs coach Avery Johnson and owner Mark Cuban each alluded to Denver forward Reggie Evans earning just a fine for grabbing Los Angeles Clippers center Chris Kaman in the first round.

“It’s just an unfortunate situation,” Johnson said. “I guess if he would have grabbed him, he wouldn’t have gotten suspended. You grab, you don’t get suspended. But the rule is clear: you punch, you get suspended. So next time, grab.”

Though the Mavs fully support their suspended teammate, they weren’t buying an argument that Terry’s response was understandable considering the physical and demanding nature of the series.

“Not really,” Griffin said. “It’s the playoffs. Emotions are very high. Jet hadn’t done anything like that since I’ve been on the team. It’s just emotions and playing hard. He just reacted.”

Said Josh Howard: “This game is full of bumps and bruises, but that incident right there is something that happened. That was a guy being real competitive and didn’t want to lose. Things happen and now you have to put it past you.”

Needing one win to advance to the West Finals to face the winner of the Suns-Clippers series, the Mavs plan to use the loss of their second-leading scorer as a rallying cry tonight.

“You have to kind of use it as motivation,” Harris said. “With the way the situation happened it was a heat-of-the-moment kind of thing. We can’t do anything about it, so there’s no point in crying about. We got dealt the cards and now we have to play with them.”

Overcoming adversity has been a point of emphasis for Johnson all season. The Mavs are 4-0 without Terry the last two seasons. “We are a focused team,” Johnson said. “We’ve been injured and had to deal with a ton of adversity this year, and we’ve always seemed to respond. I expect no different from us tonight.”

[RON ARTEST]

Yeah, you're hilarious alright.
thanks.

[whottt]

Quit complaining bobo, Manu is not playing too so things have evened out :lol


qué la cogida?!?!?!?!?

[Tony-Go MAVS]

No hablo espanol. Im from Dallas...where we speak american. Go MAVS!!!