Official NBA Finals Thread

[strangeweather]

LISTEN YOU ASSHOLE!!! WHAT YOU SAID IS CALLED THE CAVS DID EXPOSED THE PISTONS,AND THE HEAT KILLED THEM NO EXCUSES,YOUR TEAM CANT WIN WITHOUT THE OTHER BEING INJURED.
Your keyboard actually has an amazing innovation called "lower case letters." In well-formed English sentences, they are used frequently.

I hate to thrust bleeding-edge technology on you like that, but you might consider looking into it.

[Bob Lanier]

S. O'Neal 2-5 FG, 1-7 FT, 5 PTS, 1 OREB, 5 DREB, 2 AST, 0 BLK.
E. Dampier 2-3 FG, 2-3 FT, 6 PTS, 4 OREB, 9 DREB, 1 AST, 1 BLK.

http://www.oohshiny.net/gallery/d/92-2/owned-birdshit.jpg

Which one's the second-best center in the NBA? :elephant

[Lp26]

Wonder if Shaq will call him Princess now :lol

[DDS4]

chrischildz....your avatar is disturbing.

[Islymore]

exceptional game from the Mavs...

[Amarelooms]

Shaq would lose to aggrivate me... what a moron!!!!!!! Grr!!!!!!!!!

Still time to come to the good side and pull for the Mavs beautiful.....ummm but on second thought don't want you to jinx em....keep cheering for the Heat :elephant

[ChumpDumper]

It's too bad that a couple of mavfans are distracting us from some pretty good ball.

If you aren't banned we aren't talking about you.

[dirk4mvp]

W00t W00t

[FromWayDowntown]

as far as the game 2, we are just too deep for anyone to beat in a 7 game series.

sigh.

Damn, if only Manu had taken care of his business.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

as far as the game 2, we are just too deep for anyone to beat in a 7 game series.

:lol

All this series proves so far is how bad Flip fucked up the Pistons.

[Mavs_man_41]

:lol

All this series proves so far is how bad Flip fucked up the Pistons.

It wouldn't have mattered, the mavericks would give them the same matchup problems that they are giving the heat.

[groefy]

Now I am pretty sure why most of you guys are not posting on Spursreport - being a homer is fine but being an idiot is bothering...

[ShoogarBear]

It wouldn't have mattered, the mavericks would give them the same matchup problems that they are giving the heat.
:lmao Okay, now I see why you shouldn't post about actual basketball.

[MWILL]

1. Haslem/Posey will tame Dirk.
2. Payton will domesticate Terry.
3. Shaq will manhandle Erika in the middle.
4. Wade will be dunking on people

Those are all the keys you need


You need to study the team that knocked your team out! :lol

P.S. I like your points. :lol

[Pandaemonaeon]

Krakatoa is on Discovery Channel.

This is the best "this game is boring" post ever :lol

[ponky]

Hahaha, MAVERICKS ARE GOING TO WIN IT ALL THIS SEASON!!!!!!! Compared to the Spurs/Mavs series, or even the Suns/Mavs series, this series is a walk in the park thus far. Shaq had 30 touches in the first game, it's not like he isn't getting the touches, he's getting double-teamed and dishing out and his teammates aren't stepping up...well, except for Antoine "tippy-toe" Walker.

[polandprzem]

Dallas fans what is the most surprising in strategy thus far?

And how Miami chances looks like? What they can change?

[ponky]

Dallas fans what is the most surprising in strategy thus far?

And how Miami chances looks like? What they can change?

For me, I thought we would let Shaq get his and guard everyone else so I'm surprised that Shaq has been double-teamed and he's dishing them out with no one else stepping up. Diop/Damp weren't even in foul trouble tonight which I would never have expected against Shaq. It's never over until it's over and considering that this is the first time for the Mavericks, I'm not sayiing it's over until the end of the last quarter of the fourth win. The Heat are self-imploding right now, Shaq was just fined for skipping the post-game and now Wade is questioning Riley's tactics for the fourth-quarter. This is partly what started doing the Pistons in, they need to forget about all the talk and just come out and give a full effort, especially the bench, don't just leave it all up to Shaq. There's no excuse for J-Will, Posey, Haslem, Payton, Walker (he had a good game tonight but only when shaq was benched).

[AMOS7]

This is gonna be BS. I get to hear about how the Mavs are the shit from a bunch of Cuban suckers and bandwagoners. :elephant :elephant :elephant

[dieman8686]

Dallas fans what is the most surprising in strategy thus far?

And how Miami chances looks like? What they can change?
Well, they need to have Shaq back on track, since it looks like the rest of the team follows and relies on him. I think a good way to get him back on track is by reposting the guy after the Mavs double team him or when "Ericka" makes Shaquilla throw his hand up. If he is reposted as soon as he throws it out, he will get a much better look and opportunity after the kryptonite(Ericka and the good double teaming) dust moves out of position.

[dieman8686]

This is gonna be BS. I get to hear about how the Mavs are the shit from a bunch of Cuban suckers and bandwagoners. :elephant :elephant :elephant
Yawn...still bitter?

[ponky]

This is gonna be BS. I get to hear about how the Mavs are the shit from a bunch of Cuban suckers and bandwagoners. :elephant :elephant :elephant


oh well, we had to hear shit from you guys all these years, now it will be on for next season!

[DubMcDub]

All this series proves so far is how bad Flip fucked up the Pistons.

I was wondering how long it would take the Spurs fans to shift from "The Heat are going to beat your asses" to "Ok so the Heat may not beat your asses but the Pistons certainly would have."

Apparently the answer is about 5 days.

[jochhejaam]

:lol

All this series proves so far is how bad Flip fucked up the Pistons.
Thanks for the backhand compliment Aggie. I'm still throughly enjoying seeing Shaq on the way to his 3rd straight season of being "devasted". :lol
Sweep the Heap.

[Spurologist]

You need to study the team that knocked your team out! :lol

P.S. I like your points. :lol

They are KEYS to the game. If those don't happen then guess what......Miami won't win. All of those keys happened except Terry saved your asses. Dirk couldn't hit shit and played like the pussy he is. Just pray that his jumper isn't off in the next 3 games in Miami.

For the time being, you may begin your premature ejaculation now.

[MadDog73]

Miami is done.

Miami doesn't have enough weapons, period, and Shaq is useless.

Wade looks messed up too. I don't see anything changing next game either... what are the refs gonna do, give Shaq more free throws to miss?

[bulletedge]

Yep- it looks like the Diesel is out of gas. Getting outplayed by the guy he refers to as "Erica Dampier" is the ultimate insult. Maybe Shaq should shut his big mouth and instead of telling everyone why he is the greatest center to ever play the game actually show it on the court.

Miami just doesn't have enough to challenge the Mavs. I think the Heat will win one or two at home but that the Mavs will take this series. But I won't feel comfortable until the buzzer sounds at the end of a 4th win by the Mavs.

[MadDog73]

Yep- it looks like the Diesel is out of gas. Getting outplayed by the guy he refers to as "Erica Dampier" is the ultimate insult. Maybe Shaq should shut his big mouth and instead of telling everyone why he is the greatest center to ever play the game actually show it on the court.


The funny thing, was listening to all smack talk from the Heat before Game 2:

"Ooh, Shaq is angry. Dallas better watch out."

"We've watched the tape, and unless Dallas totally changes the way they play, they're in for a rude awakening."

(paraphrasing here, but that's basically what Heat players were saying)

They have to be totally demoralized by this point. And losing confidence in their coach, and themselves, to get it done.

[JichaelMordan]

[stumbles out of the gate]

[Spurologist]

spurologist is a moron. duncan is a ######. end of story.

You are clearly a visionary. That is a great quote

P.S Great story

[bulletedge]

The funny thing, was listening to all smack talk from the Heat before Game 2:

"Ooh, Shaq is angry. Dallas better watch out."

"We've watched the tape, and unless Dallas totally changes the way they play, they're in for a rude awakening."

(paraphrasing here, but that's basically what Heat players were saying)

They have to be totally demoralized by this point. And losing confidence in their coach, and themselves, to get it done.

MadDog- I agree with you. I have never seen as much smack out of anybody but Rasheed as came out of the Heat- and especially Shaq- between games 1 & 2. I was at the game last night and I've gotta say that Shaq looked nothing but pathetic sitting his butt on the bench for the entire 4th quarter.

I still expect Shaq to have a couple of big games in Miami but I don't think he and Wade have enough support to beat Dallas over seven games.

[Trainwreck2100]

spurologist is a moron. duncan is a ######. end of story.


You, my good sir, have chaned my life forever.

[MadDog73]

spurologist is a moron. duncan is a ######. end of story.


Wow, first person I'd like to see banned.

[kalikot_boy_kr]

go spurs go!!!!!

[strangeweather]

I was wondering how long it would take the Spurs fans to shift from "The Heat are going to beat your asses" to "Ok so the Heat may not beat your asses but the Pistons certainly would have."

Apparently the answer is about 5 days.
If the Pistons hadn't collapsed, I don't know for sure that they could have beaten the Mavs -- you guys are playing really well.

But I have to believe they could have made a better showing than the Heat have. Through 2 games, the Heat haven't made a showing any better than the Grizz did. For the NBA Finals, that's really sorry.

[DubMcDub]

If the Pistons hadn't collapsed, I don't know for sure that they could have beaten the Mavs -- you guys are playing really well.

But I have to believe they could have made a better showing than the Heat have. Through 2 games, the Heat haven't made a showing any better than the Grizz did. For the NBA Finals, that's really sorry.

I was glad the Heat won partially because I thought theyd be a moderately easier matchup for us than the Pistons. So I totally agree.

But I also think, as you said, that we probably would have beaten the Pistons (though the lack of HCA would have made things interesting). IMO the two best teams in the entire playoffs met 2 rounds ago.

But you're a reasonable and intelligent Spurs fan, so my comment wasn't really directed at you in the first place.

[strangeweather]

my comment wasn't really directed at you in the first place.
I figured, but I also meant that it was reasonable to wish the Pistons had made it out of the East beyond simple spite toward the Mavs.

A couple more games like the past two, and even Stern will be wishing they had a "boring" team like the Pistons over a marketable one like Miami.

[mavsfan1000]

I also thought the Heat would be the easier team. Erica Dampier>Shaqiqua. I guess Dampier is the second best center next to Yao Ming. :lol Miami has been flawed from outside shooting all year yet teams refused to double team Shaq. Finally a coach that realizes that you make Miami beat you from the outside.

[Extra Stout]

Two thoughts about the series:

1) ABC has no idea how to broadcast the NBA.

2) The salary cap is going to plummet when the current TV deal expires.

[DubMcDub]

I figured, but I also meant that it was reasonable to wish the Pistons had made it out of the East beyond simple spite toward the Mavs.

A couple more games like the past two, and even Stern will be wishing they had a "boring" team like the Pistons over a marketable one like Miami.

It's too bad the Finals aren't more entertaining, but the Spurs-Mavs series itself was better than most playoff series (Finals included) in most years...so hopefully the NBA at least feels somewhat satisfied.

Of course the TV audience and the commercialism for a semifinals series doesn't even remotely approach the Finals...so they're probably actually really pissed that the Spurs dont play in the Eastern Conference.

[MadDog73]

Two thoughts about the series:

1) ABC has no idea how to broadcast the NBA.

2) The salary cap is going to plummet when the current TV deal expires.


Agreed with that. The Halftime show is a joke. I bet they lose whatever meager mainstream audience they have during a report about Soccer. (Nothing against the World Cup, I'm a fan myself. But not during the Halftime of the Finals!)

I remember against the Nets, in Robinson's final year, ABC could have done a great human interest feature on the Admiral... instead they did a movie review of Godzilla or Jurassic Park 3 or some shit (I can't even remember, it was so lame!)

WTF, a movie review?

[mabber]

If the Pistons hadn't collapsed, I don't know for sure that they could have beaten the Mavs -- you guys are playing really well.

But I have to believe they could have made a better showing than the Heat have. Through 2 games, the Heat haven't made a showing any better than the Grizz did. For the NBA Finals, that's really sorry.

It would probably be 1-1 now as the 1st two games would have been in Detroit.

[beirmeistr]

Well, in spite of the fact that I'm a Spurs fan, I must admire the way that the Mavs have handled the Heat so far in the finals. They have demonstrated a large arsenal of weapons and an adequate defense. At this point, I have to admit that the Mavs are a better team than the Spurs this year. The Spurs need to take care of business this offseason----acquire a decent, mobile center, and a reliable, backup point guard---so that they can compete with Dallas next season.

[Extra Stout]

Agreed with that. The Halftime show is a joke. I bet they lose whatever meager mainstream audience they have during a report about Soccer. (Nothing against the World Cup, I'm a fan myself. But not during the Halftime of the Finals!)
ABC's suckage goes deeper than that. NBC did a ton of research for its broadcasts that we as viewers took for granted, so that when something happened during the game, they could show a graphic with the germane stat, or the clip of something that happened during the season that relates to the game, or they could arm the announcers with the right set of facts to add background and perspective to the events unfolding. Imagine how much background work goes into that, since there's no way to know what's going to unfold on the live telecast.

TNT does it too. Did you ever sit back and think why the TNT NBA experience is so much more fulfilling than the ABC/ESPN broadcast? They're both showing the game with the same camera angles, right?

ABC doesn't do that, and there's no excuse, given that ABC Sports is run by "The Worldwide Leader in Sports." And now that there's no chance of a major-market dynasty during the duration of this TV deal, they've stopped trying.

CBS did a better job 20 years ago with a fraction of the resources. Fuck ABC.

[strangeweather]

ABC's suckage goes deeper than that. NBC did a ton of research for its broadcasts that we as viewers took for granted, so that when something happened during the game, they could show a graphic with the germane stat, or the clip of something that happened during the season that relates to the game, or they could arm the announcers with the right set of facts to add background and perspective to the events unfolding. Imagine how much background work goes into that, since there's no way to know what's going to unfold on the live telecast.

TNT does it too. Did you ever sit back and think why the TNT NBA experience is so much more fulfilling than the ABC/ESPN broadcast? They're both showing the game with the same camera angles, right?

ABC doesn't do that, and there's no excuse, given that ABC Sports is run by "The Worldwide Leader in Sports." And now that there's no chance of a major-market dynasty during the duration of this TV deal, they've stopped trying.

CBS did a better job 20 years ago with a fraction of the resources. Fuck ABC.
Good post. :tu

I almost hope Fox picks up the network rights for the next broadcast window. Sure, it would be annoyingly flashy, but at least they would give a crap.

[rayray2k8]

Its not really a "good" finals when its pretty one sided.
If Miami loses tommorow...
Then Dallas will sweep, no doubt in my mind.

[PaceMonster]

This is the best "this game is boring" post ever :lol


holy fuck your sig makes me wanna choke sonebody.....shaq got outplayed for 1 fucking game u dick.....if i start posting all the games shaq outpled his opponent it would fit in this whole fucking forum....whoop ti doo ericka dampier outplayed his opponent in one fucking game...lets have a party since that doesnt happen very often....ericka got his point off of 2 assist dunks one by terry and one by stackhouse and 2 free throws....shaq works for his points...god mavs fans piss me the fuck off....i have to go :smokin to calm down

[mabber]

holy fuck your sig makes me wanna choke sonebody.....shaq got outplayed for 1 fucking game u dick.....if i start posting all the games shaq outpled his opponent it would fit in this whole fucking forum....whoop ti doo ericka dampier outplayed his opponent in one fucking game...lets have a party since that doesnt happen very often....ericka got his point off of 2 assist dunks one by terry and one by stackhouse and 2 free throws....shaq works for his points...god mavs fans piss me the fuck off....i have to go :smokin to calm down

Wow! There's still hope (not much but some) for your team, dude. You need to have a few more positive vibes :lol

[PaceMonster]

no that shit just makes me go crazy lol i hate when ppl do that.....anyways im not 1 bit worried...dallas did what it was supposed to do and took care of homecourt....if we lose 1 out of these 3 at home then i would be worried....and i am a heatologist i study these motherfuckers...o and by the way antoine walker is a garbage time scorer...that alien looking motherfucker only scores wen we are down by 20+...i hate him he is a momentum killer...and wade is starting to get on my nerves with all the call complaining and not getting baq on D....go heat :drunk

[Amarelooms]

Hmmm sorry just don't see the Heat winning all three...which they must do to have any shot of beating the Mavs. Think they'll have hard enough time winning 2...time will tell I guess.

[PaceMonster]

only time will tell

[FUCKMARKCUBAN]

Why are u guys constantly cutting down the mavericks and their fans. You guys dont like it when we say the spurs are boring so why would u say the same thing about another team.

why are you here in the first place? the title of this forum doesn't say MAVSTALK does it?? i must be in the wrong place to assume we actually speak of the SPURS here with all these fuckers cheering for the mavs to win it all in 06.

ps: the mavs might be the champs this year but i'm already looking forward to the buildup of next years first game vs the mavs.... should be interesting to see who the SPURS pickup during the off season and how much of a factor these new guys will be. i'm also glad finley will be back to slam it one more time in the mavs face!

[FromWayDowntown]

ABC's suckage goes deeper than that. NBC did a ton of research for its broadcasts that we as viewers took for granted, so that when something happened during the game, they could show a graphic with the germane stat, or the clip of something that happened during the season that relates to the game, or they could arm the announcers with the right set of facts to add background and perspective to the events unfolding. Imagine how much background work goes into that, since there's no way to know what's going to unfold on the live telecast.

TNT does it too. Did you ever sit back and think why the TNT NBA experience is so much more fulfilling than the ABC/ESPN broadcast? They're both showing the game with the same camera angles, right?

ABC doesn't do that, and there's no excuse, given that ABC Sports is run by "The Worldwide Leader in Sports." And now that there's no chance of a major-market dynasty during the duration of this TV deal, they've stopped trying.

CBS did a better job 20 years ago with a fraction of the resources. Fuck ABC.

It's borne out in the ratings. While some Mavs fans are celebrating that the Finals ratings have gone up slightly this year, the ratings are still much, much lower than they were for any NBC-broadcast Finals.

[Mavs_man_41]

Yea the reason the ratings aren't much higher this year is because the games aren't very close. Although as a mavs fan i'm not complaining a win is a win.

[ambchang]

Well, in spite of the fact that I'm a Spurs fan, I must admire the way that the Mavs have handled the Heat so far in the finals. They have demonstrated a large arsenal of weapons and an adequate defense. At this point, I have to admit that the Mavs are a better team than the Spurs this year. The Spurs need to take care of business this offseason----acquire a decent, mobile center, and a reliable, backup point guard---so that they can compete with Dallas next season.

I am not ready to say that. It took an OT in Game 7 for the Mavs to win, despite the fact that the Mavs supporting cast is absolutely catching fire throughout the playoffs, and the Spurs committing unforced errors at the end of a few games.
The Spurs have room for improvement, but it is nothing drastic. As long as they can find a good perimeter player in the mold of Bruce Bowen, and a smart, efficient PG that can shoot, not unlike a young Steve Kerr, there will be years of dominance.
The Mavs have a very bloated payroll, and it would be interesting to see how Cuban will react to paying ridiculous amounts of $ to keep role players.

[ambchang]

Yea the reason the ratings aren't much higher this year is because the games aren't very close. Although as a mavs fan i'm not complaining a win is a win.
Game 1 was quite competitive, and besides, how would they know that the game will not be close until after they have watched it?
The ratings are low exactly the same reason why the Finals with the Spurs are low - they are not! It's just that the Bulls and the Lakers series have high ratings. This is normal.

[BigD1]

I am not ready to say that. It took an OT in Game 7 for the Mavs to win, despite the fact that the Mavs supporting cast is absolutely catching fire throughout the playoffs, and the Spurs committing unforced errors at the end of a few games.
The Spurs have room for improvement, but it is nothing drastic. As long as they can find a good perimeter player in the mold of Bruce Bowen, and a smart, efficient PG that can shoot, not unlike a young Steve Kerr, there will be years of dominance.
The Mavs have a very bloated payroll, and it would be interesting to see how Cuban will react to paying ridiculous amounts of $ to keep role players.1st of all, if Terry plays in game 6, we're not even talking about game 7. 2nd of all. Dallas had more fouls called on them in games 1,2,5,6 and 7. So Spur's fans need to quit bitchin about refs. Dallas too, made crucial mistakes in that series that prevented them from winning in 5 or even 4. In the 1st game, Damp had Duncan blocked out in the box for an easy layup, but instead Stack tries to make a miraculous shot in the final seconds. In game 5, Terry had plenty of time to set his feet and shoot the ball more accurately. Instead, he rushes it and the ball bounces out in which Dirk could have grabbed it, came down, and simply placed it back up. No, Dirk tries to bat it back in. There was plenty of time. In game 6, Dallas was home, they had a fantastic start in the ist half, but ran out of options with Terry not there. Thus, resulting in Harris having his worst perfomance in the entire playoffs and ultimately costing Dallas their game 6 victory. SA does NOT win that game if Terry plays. So consider yourself lucky and realize that the better team won it in 7 and could have won it in 4 or 5 had they executed last second plays a little better.
As far as payroll goes, Dallas only needs to resign Terry next season. Everyone else is locked for at least 2 more yrs. we're not worried about KVH. He will probably be replaced by a younger more athletic PF. Don't worry, Dallas ain't going anywhere anytime soon. What will be interesting...is what SA will do with all of their contracts locked down with a bunch of 30+ year olds? They have no 1st rounder. Nothing. They will still be old, in fact, older next year.
While u guys will have to sit and watch Howard ,Diop, Harris and Daniels get even better next year. Keep ur head up!

[DarrinS]

I have come to the realization that the Mavs WILL WIN the NBA Finals.


http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/pg2/2005/1220/photo/051220_cuban_195.jpg+http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Larry_O%27Brien_trophy.jpg=http://www.mindspring.com/~genex/graphics/toilet.jpg

[DarrinS]

1st of all, if Terry plays in game 6, we're not even talking about game 7. 2nd of all. Dallas had more fouls called on them in games 1,2,5,6 and 7. So Spur's fans need to quit bitchin about refs. Dallas too, made crucial mistakes in that series that prevented them from winning in 5 or even 4.


Hi, I'm Reality. Have we met?


I love how Mavs fans really believe their team is VASTLY superior to the Spurs. They were better than the Spurs -- this year. That is all. There is no way in HELL the Mavs would have SWEPT that series.

I've even read posts on MavTalk with the word "dynasty". Get real.

[Mavs_man_41]

Hi, I'm Reality. Have we met?


I love how Mavs fans really believe their team is VASTLY superior to the Spurs. They were better than the Spurs -- this year. That is all. There is no way in HELL the Mavs would have SWEPT that series.

I've even read posts on MavTalk with the word "dynasty". Get real.

I dont think are team is superior to the spurs outside of this one year, and i think what you read on mavtalk is that the mavs have potential to make a dynasty because all of their core players are so young.

[mavsfan1000]

The fact is the mavs are younger so I see them being better than the spurs next year. The spurs offense will be close to the same but their defense will get worse with players like Bowen, Horry, and Finley aging. San Antonio needs to get younger with their role players to get ahead of Dallas.

[awmyplace]

The fact is the mavs are younger so I see them being better than the spurs next year. The spurs offense will be close to the same but their defense will get worse with players like Bowen, Horry, and Finley aging. San Antonio needs to get younger with their role players to get ahead of Dallas.

Wow!!!

[ChumpDumper]

Anyone thinking the Spurs' roster remains static this summer knows nothing about the Spurs.

[Odogg]

:fro
Damn, I'm good. Look for a blowout of the Heat in game 2 since the Mavs will play MUCH better on the Offensive end once Dirk gets comfortable with his defenders and Avery makes their adjustments. Heat can't play any better than the 1st quarter and if Dirk doesn't make that bonehead inbounds play where Walker hits the 3, they are only up 5 or less going into the 2nd. 24-2 bench points, look for that to continue. Heat perimeter defense is freaking terrible, slow and mismatched, look for that to get worse. Pat Riley's adjustments? Doesn't have any, except to play Derek or Shandon Anderson, 2 more streaky shooters. Aj's adjustments? Too many to list...Ballgame.

:fro Well anyone else want to doubt my predictions on how these games will go? I guess I could just go the opposite of whatever "Spurologist" says will happen since he is always wrong. You must have gotten your degree in "Spurology" from Lincoln tech, maybe the ITT institute? LoL! Give me a break! It's clear to everyone who the better team is, and its by far the Mavs. Like I said earlier, this championship was decided a few weeks back in San Antonio, the rest is formality. This series will be as hard as the Mavs make it on themselves. If they compete anywhere near where they are capable, 20 point blowouts ensue. Tonight though, this is a trap game that the refs and crowd will attempt to "will" their team to victory. I expect Shaq and Wade to get every call known to mankind. And even some not known. Straight Duncan treatment tonight. Even so, the mavs will hang close but I expect a few phantom calls in the 4th, paving the way for the Heat to eek one out. 92 - 89. This will be their only win of the series as even I subconciously bought into all the ESPN 24 hour Shaq/Wade hype machine prior to game 1 and overestimated the Heap. They are straight garbage.

[DarrinS]

I expect Shaq and Wade to get every call known to mankind. And even some not known. Straight Duncan treatment tonight.

You mean, they'll get treated like this?

http://www.mysanantonio.com/specials/spurschamps/slideshows/spursnetsgame2/images/4.jpg

[clambake]

I expect to see many technicals called tonight. Shaq wouldn't even speak after game 2, so if things aren't going his way, he'll throw a tantrum. Payton will increase his smack talk and grinning(showing his age by the length of his teeth) just in hopes of picking a fight. The refs will give heat the win tonight.

[angel_luv]

I care less and less so... Go Miami!

[FromWayDowntown]

1st of all, if Terry plays in game 6, we're not even talking about game 7. 2nd of all. Dallas had more fouls called on them in games 1,2,5,6 and 7. So Spur's fans need to quit bitchin about refs. Dallas too, made crucial mistakes in that series that prevented them from winning in 5 or even 4. In the 1st game, Damp had Duncan blocked out in the box for an easy layup, but instead Stack tries to make a miraculous shot in the final seconds. In game 5, Terry had plenty of time to set his feet and shoot the ball more accurately. Instead, he rushes it and the ball bounces out in which Dirk could have grabbed it, came down, and simply placed it back up. No, Dirk tries to bat it back in. There was plenty of time. In game 6, Dallas was home, they had a fantastic start in the ist half, but ran out of options with Terry not there. Thus, resulting in Harris having his worst perfomance in the entire playoffs and ultimately costing Dallas their game 6 victory. SA does NOT win that game if Terry plays. So consider yourself lucky and realize that the better team won it in 7 and could have won it in 4 or 5 had they executed last second plays a little better.

If we're going to play the "only if" game, I can just as easily make a case that the Spurs could have won that series in 5 "only if" there had been a couple of things different. To steal your conclusion, if the Spurs had executed last second plays a little better, they could have won that series in 5 as well.

[Burn531]

AHH!! Walkers melon just took up my whole screen.

[miss paxton]

Bonus to being in Miami: No stupid "The JET is on the runway!"

Downside to being in Miami: I can't even count the number of years I've hated the song, "In the Air Tonight."

[ginobme]

this has to be one of the longest intros ever

[clubalien]

You think the spurs win this game or heat com back and fight?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I never thought it was possible, but it appears there's a worse intro than the "Are you ready for this" bullshit the Spurs have been recycling the last 16 years...

[LEONARD]

LMAO at this thread...love it!!! :)

[StylisticS]

I never thought it was possible, but it appears there's a worse intro than the "Are you ready for this" bullshit the Spurs have been recycling the last 16 years...

Are you talking about the other song or the TI bring em out song? I think some other poster said the other song was Phil Collins. I don't know.

[ducks]

there is a game thread in nba forum for game 3

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

It's halfway through the first quarter and Dampier's already thinking he should hav ekept his mouth shut. :lol

[td4mvp21]

What did he say?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Are you talking about the other song or the TI bring em out song? I think some other poster said the other song was Phil Collins. I don't know

The whole pre-game thing sucked. You're in the NBA Finals for God's sake. This isn't a Shamu show at Sea World. Phil Collins? TI? It's South Beach.

Sad.....

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

"In Game 1, they said he didn't get a lot of touches, but if you went back and watched the game, he got 30 touches and 12 times he passed it out. How many more times does he want to touch the ball?" Dampier said.

Dumbass.

[Bob Lanier]

Dampier. That will count, and the foul! :lol

[ballhog]

Nice hang on the rim, Dampier. No call. Bullshit.

[Bob Lanier]

Has any 6-10 player in the history of the NBA gotten blocked more than Van Horn?

[ballhog]

How does Miami miss so many easy shots?

[Deb]

Man, I never thought I'd hear myself say this but

Go Snack Go

[ballhog]

How much money is Jack Nies getting from Cuban?

[Bob Lanier]

White Chocolate is in rare form today. :lol

Hubie: "Oh please." :elephant

[Budkin]

How does Dirk constantly get away with those pushoffs?

[Bob Lanier]

Holy shit. Stackhouse lying on the floor, Wade dives on him, gets the foul call.

[Lp26]

This whole game should just be played on the foul line

[ShoogarBear]

Has any 6-10 player in the history of the NBA gotten blocked more than Van Horn?
http://www.oddjack.com/act_nazr_mohammed.jpg

[SHAQ!!!]

:lol Erika Dampier is coming out of retirement from the WNBA to play in the NBA finals. WHOA

LOL :lol

[Bob Lanier]

Snaq just fell on Wade.

[strangeweather]

Is there anything sillier than a graphic showing Shaq's stats vs. Dampier's labeled "Star Comparison"? :lol

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

Dampier is outplaying Shaq LOL...........

[strangeweather]

Dampier is outplaying Shaq LOL...........
I don't think Dampier's seeing a lot of double teams.

Still, in his prime, Shaq could bull through the double team like it wasn't there. Clearly those days are over.

[ace3g]

stupid moving screen fouls, they were calling those against the spurs to, whats up with that; and some of those moving screen calls were called late in the 4th quarters against the spurs

[ducks]

wade 5 fouls
nice cuban

[ducks]

walker sucks

[ace3g]

its funny in all of the playoff games so far Dirk has only reached 5 fouls once and that was in the grizz series, he hasnt fouled out once, I wish refs would get their heads out of their asses and actually see the crap that Dirk gets away with on the defensive end

[Bob Lanier]

That's kind of funny from a Spurs fan (or a Pistons fan, for that matter). Dirk doesn't play D. He doesn't hack everything like Timmy or Big Ben, because he's two steps behind every play.

Or, I could be wrong. Jack Nies and Ken Mauer (but not Danny Crawford, the worst fucking official in the league) could be subtly tipping Mavs shots in midair so they go into the basket rather than rimming out. Maybe they're talking trash to White Chocolate and Fatoine that intimidates them enough make them play like 4-year-olds.

[strangeweather]

Mavs have been called for 22 fouls, Heat for 20.
Mavs have 22 FTA, Heat have 25.

If the refs are systematically shafting the Heat, it's not in the box score.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

the heat suck. This has nothing to do with the refs

Dallas has earned this victory

[Bob Lanier]

Wade with a hop-skip-and-a-jump leading to a jumpshot, 5 point game.

[Leetonidas]

C'mon HEAT!

[Leetonidas]

One point game!

[Leetonidas]

UDONIS HASLEM! Great steal by Haslem!

[Bob Lanier]

"And the Heat have a chance to take the lead from the free throw line!" :elephant

I think Mike Breen just had an orgasm.

Miami takes the lead, 1:03 to go.

"Foul" on the rebound, Miami back to the line.

Harris layup, GP clutch jumpshot, Heat up 2 with 9 seconds to go.

[Leetonidas]

Big shot by Payton

[Slinkyman]

payton got away with a travel big time

[Bob Lanier]

Dirk hacked by Haslem, to the line, 3.4 seconds to go. Misses the second, Wade rebound, jumps in the air and is fouled.

[Leetonidas]

Of course. That pussy bitch Dirk gets a fucking foul. Fucking bullshit. Timmy didn't get a foul when he got hacked but this bitch always gets calls.

[Leetonidas]

...and Dirk missed. :wow

[Solid D]

It's Dirk time...and he misses a FT. :lol

[jman3000]

wow...

[strangeweather]

I can't believe Dirk choked on the FT.

[Bob Lanier]

Wade chokes in return, 1 second to go, Mavs down 2, Dallas timeout.

[Bob Lanier]

Game over. Heat win. If anything, the officiating was wildly in favor of the Heat in the fourth quarter (predictably, this being the NBA).

[Spurologist]

Another late game special

http://www.buzzmachine.com/pix/choke.gif

Dirk Nowitzki must have had something in his throat

[Winnipeg_Spur]

Where the fuck was that against the Spurs, Dirk! :pctoss

Just one, just one of those would've been really nice... :madrun

[AMOS7]

Wade is THE TRUTH

[chrischildz]

to be fair duncan wouldve air balled that free throw.

[Lp26]

Game over. Heat win. If anything, the officiating was wildly in favor of the Heat in the fourth quarter (predictably, this being the NBA).

Remind you of anything (Game 2 of the Pistons maybe?). Such crap :rolleyes

[Slinkyman]

Game over. Heat win. If anything, the officiating was wildly in favor of the Heat in the fourth quarter (predictably, this being the NBA).

Oh come on Wade never gets away with traveling

[dirk4mvp]

Oh come on Wade never gets away with traveling

No, but he does get away with alot of palming. Him and Iverson get away with that more than anybody.

[J.T.]

You realize Jason Terry should be ejected in every game about 3 minutes into the first quarter for punching people right? And you guys are complaining about Heat getting the calls in their favor...

[Leetonidas]

to be fair duncan wouldve air balled that free throw.

Your avatar is friggin' disgusting

[Mavs_man_41]

You realize Jason Terry should be ejected in every game about 3 minutes into the first quarter for punching people right? And you guys are complaining about Heat getting the calls in their favor...

HAHA LMAO :lmao oh wait youre serious aren't you? HAHA, you should be a basketball analyst for ESPN.

[Mavs_man_41]

No wait, even better, you should be an announcer for TNT so you and Barkely can have a circle jerk every Mavs game.

[PaceMonster]

Wade chokes in return, 1 second to go, Mavs down 2, Dallas timeout.


He missed it on purpose, you duck :madrun

[LEONARD]

This thread is hilarious....most of the Spurs fans here are unbelievably bitter. This thread should be titled "Official NBA Officiating Thread" because that's about all that's talked about here... :lol

Mavs choked...Dirk choked...they'll be fine though. They stopped attacking in the last 6 min's and tried to milk the clock...bad move...

Wade goes for 42 and the Mavs get outrebounded by 15 and still lose by just 2 pts? The Mav are clearly the better team. They just have to close these guys out. They're not as good as the Spurs or Suns...

Mavs in 6

[Spurologist]

This thread is hilarious....most of the Spurs fans here are unbelievably bitter. This thread should be titled "Official NBA Officiating Thread" because that's about all that's talked about here... :lol

Mavs choked...Dirk choked...they'll be fine though. They stopped attacking in the last 6 min's and tried to milk the clock...bad move...

Wade goes for 42 and the Mavs get outrebounded by 15 and still lose by just 2 pts? The Mav are clearly the better team. They just have to close these guys out. They're not as good as the Spurs or Suns...

Mavs in 6

Don't be so sure. If the heat get the next two at home, it won't be looking good. It's true that the mavs have been the better team thus far

[angel_luv]

we has a cable and internet outage in my area. My internet was off for several hours. I missed all of the second and most of the third quarter of the game.

I was listening on the radio which I realized can be really frustrating if the play by play man is not good at it- as this one was not.

I guess God took pity on me because I finally got ABC- the only station which would work- to come in on my television.
I was able to tune in just in time to see Miami come back and Mark Cuban frown. Good times! hehe :elephant

[DarrinS]

This thread is hilarious....most of the Spurs fans here are unbelievably bitter. This thread should be titled "Official NBA Officiating Thread" because that's about all that's talked about here... :lol

Mavs choked...Dirk choked...they'll be fine though. They stopped attacking in the last 6 min's and tried to milk the clock...bad move...

Wade goes for 42 and the Mavs get outrebounded by 15 and still lose by just 2 pts? The Mav are clearly the better team. They just have to close these guys out. They're not as good as the Spurs or Suns...

Mavs in 6


Yeah, Mavs fan is never bitter.

See --> http://www.mavtalk.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=001169

[LEONARD]

Don't be so sure. If the heat get the next two at home, it won't be looking good. It's true that the mavs have been the better team thus far

That's a big IF isn't it?? It's rare for a team to win all 3 at home in a 2-3-2 format, especially when the Mavs look like . Then they'd still have to win one in Dallas...

Dallas is still in good shape...


Yeah, Mavs fan is never bitter.

See --> http://www.mavtalk.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=001169

Bad link...

I didn't say that Mavs fans have never been bitter did I?? Just that I was enjoying reading the completely one-sided anti-Mavs play-by-play of the game and officiating... :lol

[FromWayDowntown]

That's a big IF isn't it?? It's rare for a team to win all 3 at home in a 2-3-2 format, especially when the Mavs look like . Then they'd still have to win one in Dallas...

Dallas is still in good shape...

The only home team that has ever won all 3 of the middle games in the NBA Finals is the 2004 Pistons. Road teams have won all 3 of the middle games on several occasions -- I'm pretty sure the 1990 Pistons did it in Portland and I thought the 1991 Bulls did it in LA. But home teams don't turn that trick -- usually because they are the inferior team.

[Spurminator]

Ugh... guess we should've fouled Dirk harder at the end of Game 7....

:madrun

[Texas_Ranger]

It will be 4-2 for Dallas, Miami will win the next game and then goodbye to them.

[FromWayDowntown]

It will be 4-2 for Dallas, Miami will win the next game and then goodbye to them.

It wouldn't surprise me if Dallas got Game 4 and Miami got Game 5. I think the Mavericks are kicking themselves for letting that game go and will likely play an inspired and focused game on Thursday. I could then see the Heat fighting back to avoid being eliminated at home, which would set up a Game 6 at AAC, which I'd think Dallas would win.

[1Parker1]

Dallas is clearly the better team in this series. Yesterday's game, despite the Mavs losing, proved that even more. Miami played the best they could against this team @ home, motivated after losing 2 straight by 10+ points, and they still barely got the job done and needed some choking by Dirk, a miracle shot by Payton, and a super=hero performance by Wade to get it done. Think Miami can do that three more times?

[mFFL03]

dallas had some slump in the first quarter. but picked it up.

wade was playing out of HIS MIND though...cheers to him.

but the officiating was really one-sided in the heats THRILLING comeback. come on....we only had 7 fg attempts in the fourth?

Those were called by stupid moving screen fouls, palming, and ridiculous steals.

Haslem did foul dirk on that steal, you can't run through a man like that. This isn't football.

And I love how jerry stackhouse can knock down shaq 2 or 3 times in one game and get the offensive call charge everytime against him. come on, the guy weighs 300 lbs.

But we're fine. Michael Wilborn said it best at one point, "the heat are playing the best basketball they've seen and we've seen through this series and they are only up five points? thats gotta hurt your confidence"

[FromWayDowntown]

dallas had some slump in the first quarter. but picked it up.

wade was playing out of HIS MIND though...cheers to him.

but the officiating was really one-sided in the heats THRILLING comeback. come on....we only had 7 fg attempts in the fourth?

Those were called by stupid moving screen fouls, palming, and ridiculous steals.

Haslem did foul dirk on that steal, you can't run through a man like that. This isn't football.

And I love how jerry stackhouse can knock down shaq 2 or 3 times in one game and get the offensive call charge everytime against him. come on, the guy weighs 300 lbs.

:madrun

Ah, the old familiar refrains of Mav fan screaming about officiating. Normalcy is back upon us.

[LEONARD]

but the officiating was really one-sided in the heats THRILLING comeback. come on....we only had 7 fg attempts in the fourth?

Those were called by stupid moving screen fouls, palming, and ridiculous steals.

Haslem did foul dirk on that steal, you can't run through a man like that. This isn't football.

And I love how jerry stackhouse can knock down shaq 2 or 3 times in one game and get the offensive call charge everytime against him. come on, the guy weighs 300 lbs.


From one Mavs fan to another...SHUT THE F UP!! Seriously...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

but the officiating was really one-sided in the heats THRILLING comeback. come on....we only had 7 fg attempts in the fourth?

Those were called by stupid moving screen fouls, palming, and ridiculous steals.

It kinda balances out with the 4-5 moving screens called on Miami in the first half, don't you think?



And I love how jerry stackhouse can knock down shaq 2 or 3 times in one game and get the offensive call charge everytime against him. come on, the guy weighs 300 lbs.

A charge is about defensive position, not who weighs more.

[leemajors]

Dallas is clearly the better team in this series. Yesterday's game, despite the Mavs losing, proved that even more. Miami played the best they could against this team @ home, motivated after losing 2 straight by 10+ points, and they still barely got the job done and needed some choking by Dirk, a miracle shot by Payton, and a super=hero performance by Wade to get it done. Think Miami can do that three more times?

the heat didn't play the best they could. did you see the third quarter? i agree dallas is a better team but just because miami came back and won doesn't mean they played their best. neither team has played anything resembling a complete game.

[dav4463]

Hard to believe Mav fans could ever complain about the officiating in this year's playoffs. Dirk drives the lane inside of 10 seconds, looking only for a foul with no intention of trying to score and got bailed out again! That is the third time for him in this year's playoffs where he gets a chance to win or tie at the free throw line in the last 10 seconds of a game. Normally the ref swallows the whistle at the end of a game unless a foul is really obvious, but not for Dirk...he always gets bailed out even though he drives in out of control just looking to get fouled. To his credit, he knows he will get the call so good job by him....just keep lowering that shoulder and take it towards the basket...somebody will bump you or hit you...and it's back to the foul line.
I've never in my lifetime of watching NBA playoffs seen a guy get to go to the line in the last 10 seconds of games to win or tie three times in one playoff run.

[dav4463]

Game over. Heat win. If anything, the officiating was wildly in favor of the Heat in the fourth quarter (predictably, this being the NBA).

To quote the Mav fans: The Heat were the aggressive team.

[mavsfan1000]

The Heat didn't play the best they can but I think they played the best they can against these Mavericks. Wade having the best game and it was needed since Dampier neutralizes Shaq. Shaq 16 points to Dampier 14. Unfortunately Terry got sloppy with the ball at the end of the game.

[LEONARD]

Hard to believe Mav fans could ever complain about the officiating in this year's playoffs. Dirk drives the lane inside of 10 seconds, looking only for a foul with no intention of trying to score and got bailed out again! That is the third time for him in this year's playoffs where he gets a chance to win or tie at the free throw line in the last 10 seconds of a game. Normally the ref swallows the whistle at the end of a game unless a foul is really obvious, but not for Dirk...

1. Any Mavs fan complaining about officiating is a TOOL...same goes for SPURS FANS...
2. Dirk had no intention of scoring?? WTF?? He got right to the rim...was he about to make a pass?? :rolleyes
3. Getting hacked across the arm while going for a layup is getting "bailed out?" They're supposed to let THAT go?? The Heat didn't complain...that's all you need to see right there...

:smokin another dude...

[German_Spursfan]

The Finals are boring, the Mavs are too superior. They gave away 13 points in the last 6 minutes? Oh je, now they have to lost the finals. I'am not interessted in the Finals anymore. Without Refs, the Spurs were the real Champions, period.

[LEONARD]

Without Refs, the Spurs were the real Champions, period.

I have a feeling many Spurs fans will be saying that for years... :lol

So lame... :drunk


For me it's easy.
I think the Spurs were the better team, from my point of view, they deseserved to win. But there were some really bad calls and there were some very unlucky plays in the crunchtime. And some very stupid individual mistakes ends the dream of another Championship. But I don't like to say "the refs, Stern or little green men" are guilty. The Mavs are a strong team and perhaps they were a little bit more aggressive and without doubt, they have a little bit more luck. After contracting AJ, they're playing good basketball and were designed to beat the Spurs. And for the next years, the Spurs were the team to beat. They set the norm, who wants to be the champion, have to beat the Spurs first.

Doh!! :lmao :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Not as long as Mav fans have said it, they've had a head start.

[Trainwreck2100]

damn right

[LEONARD]

Not as long as Mav fans have said it, they've had a head start.

I'm sure some Mavs fans have said it, but if they did they were IDIOTS...

The Spurs have been better than the Mavs for years, especially in playoff style basketball. Only in '02-'03 did the Mavs come close and Dirk getting hurt took away any real chance they had to make it interesting...

[German_Spursfan]

yes leonard. you're right. but it still hurts.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm sure some Mavs fans have said it, but if they did they were IDIOTS.Well, there you go. I would have to say the same for our fans who can't get over it. We've both certainly lost enough times to be used to it by now.

[mavsfan1000]

Mavs lost game 3 because of Dan Crawford. Dallas is now 1-11 with him as the ref. Hopefully he doesn't ref another game this series.

[ChumpDumper]

Mavs lost game 3 because of Dan Crawford. Dallas is now 1-11 with him as the ref. Hopefully he doesn't ref another game this series.
:lol

[German_Spursfan]

Dan Crawford, yes. He's the one. Ever heard of Gaius Marius? He the one who ends up the roman republic. About 107 b.Chr. After him, we have to talk about the principat. It means something like Emperor, but this is not correct, is was something special. A lot of bullshit, isn't it? So please don't talk about Crawford.

[LEONARD]

Mavs lost game 3 because of Dan Crawford. Dallas is now 1-11 with him as the ref. Hopefully he doesn't ref another game this series.

Sorry, but I don't buy into that crap. I think it's just the way it's worked out...

Game 3 was officiated just fine IMO...Mavs CHOKED...

[LEONARD]

Well, there you go. I would have to say the same for our fans who can't get over it. We've both certainly lost enough times to be used to it by now.

At least we can agree that every team has some whiny, idiot fans... :lol

[midgetonadonkey]

If I wanted to say something about the NBA Finals would this be the "Official" thread to do so?

[ChumpDumper]

If I wanted to say something about the NBA Finals would this be the "Official" thread to do so?Pretty much. If you start another thread about them it'll probably be moved to the NBA forum or merged into this thread. There are always exceptions, but it is a Spurs forum.

[mavsfan1000]

At least we can agree that every team has some whiny, idiot fans... :lol
What are you? The fan police? Give me a break with that bullshit. If you thought the game was reffed fair than you need to watch the game again. Everything had to go right for the Heat to win including the refs giving them all the calls.

[LEONARD]

What are you? The fan police? Give me a break with that bullshit. If you thought the game was reffed fair than you need to watch the game again. Everything had to go right for the Heat to win including the refs giving them all the calls.

Sorry dude, I just didn't see it...there was a few bad calls that helped each team at various points in the game...

The Mavs lost because:

1. They tried to run the clock instead of continuing to attack the rim
2. The let Wade get inside too much and get wide open shots
3. The only guy to score a field goal in the last 6+ minutes was Devin Harris

Refs didn't have anything to do with it...

and no, I'm not the "fan police"...whatever that means. Try to look at things without the Mavs colored glasses on...

[mavsfan1000]

How about the phantom foul on Howard guarding Wade, Haslem going over the back on rebounds, Dirk getting pushed in the back by Haslem on the steal, and etc. I haven't even watched that game a second time to look for all the bad calls but it seem like every play there was another one. Typical Dan Crawford type of game. Dirk getting called for an illegal screen that he barely moved on while Shaq pushes Howard away from Wade on a pick. Yeah that sounds fair.

[himat]

Yep. Mavs didn't play to win at the end. They played to not lose.

[mavsfan1000]

I found this on a mavs site about a more specific screwups from the refs.
> The refs did cost us the game, that simple. If Damp gets his 2 ft's > instead of shaq, we win. The refs gave Miami the game. Shaq pushes > Damp, no call, then Damp gets a foul. 4 point swing. BS call
> Wade trips Terry, no call= BS (shoulda been Wade's 6th PF!)
> Haslem pushing Dirk to get the "steal", no call= BS
> Haslem shoving Dirk 800 times in the last 5 minutes, no call= BS
>
> Breathe on Wade, foul= BS
> JHO foul on Wade= BS
> Shaq bumps Harris no call= BS
> Terry foul on Haslem= BS
>
> Terry "foul" on Posey=BS
>
> All this was the 4th QTR alone.

[himat]

Wade is a crybaby and gets too many calls, but thats not why mavs lost. they didn't do what they're good at in the last half of the 4th. They played down the clock and were stagnant to make time run out.

[StylisticS]

Sorry dude, I just didn't see it...there was a few bad calls that helped each team at various points in the game...

The Mavs lost because:

1. They tried to run the clock instead of continuing to attack the rim
2. The let Wade get inside too much and get wide open shots
3. The only guy to score a field goal in the last 6+ minutes was Devin Harris

Refs didn't have anything to do with it...

and no, I'm not the "fan police"...whatever that means. Try to look at things without the Mavs colored glasses on...

agreed. we played not to lose instead of just simply winning. It came back to bite us. Fuck the officiating, I don't dwell on that. Mavsfan1000, look at what the Mavs did instead of the officiating. What did the Mavs do to put themselves in a position to have the so called refs whistle plays against them. It all comes back to the Mavs. We've got to play better than that. We missed too many free throws, turnover the ball too many times, stopped playing defense with 6 minutes to go, took Dampier out when he was ballin, did not run our offense, and slowed down the game to Miami's liking. None of this was caused by the referees.

It's up to the Mavs to respond in which I have faith that they will. Miami is the one, IMO, that has to withstand our energy for game 4 because we will have it for a long time in that game. Avery and the Mavs know they did many things wrong such as leaving Wade wideopen and not denying him the ball.

Focus on what the Mavs did for the outcome to go that way and not the refs. It's lame as hell to cry about it because it simply wont change. Besides, ITS THE FUCKIN NBA.

[LEONARD]

How about the phantom foul on Howard guarding Wade, Haslem going over the back on rebounds, Dirk getting pushed in the back by Haslem on the steal, and etc. I haven't even watched that game a second time to look for all the bad calls but it seem like every play there was another one. Typical Dan Crawford type of game. Dirk getting called for an illegal screen that he barely moved on while Shaq pushes Howard away from Wade on a pick. Yeah that sounds fair.

You sound EXACTLY like the whiny Spurs fans during the semi's...going thru each game and only picking out the calls that went against the Spurs or helped the Mavs...

I could go through ANY game from the perspective of EITHER team and create a list. In the end, the lists usually balance out...

Mavs blew the game...plain and simple...


I found this on a mavs site about a more specific screwups from the refs.
> The refs did cost us the game, that simple. If Damp gets his 2 ft's > instead of shaq, we win. The refs gave Miami the game. Shaq pushes > Damp, no call, then Damp gets a foul. 4 point swing. BS call
> Wade trips Terry, no call= BS (shoulda been Wade's 6th PF!)
> Haslem pushing Dirk to get the "steal", no call= BS
> Haslem shoving Dirk 800 times in the last 5 minutes, no call= BS
>
> Breathe on Wade, foul= BS
> JHO foul on Wade= BS
> Shaq bumps Harris no call= BS
> Terry foul on Haslem= BS
>
> Terry "foul" on Posey=BS
>
> All this was the 4th QTR alone.

See above :smokin

[mavsfan1000]

Yeah the mavs should've won that game and it would've been easier if the mavs didn't let the officials decide the game which has proven that Shaq teams get more calls than other teams. Oh well I guess the mavs will have to blow out the Heat next time.

[LEONARD]

Yeah the mavs should've won that game and it would've been easier if the mavs didn't let the officials decide the game which has proven that Shaq teams get more calls than other teams. Oh well I guess the mavs will have to blow the Heat next time.

What exactly has proven that "Shaq teams" get more calls?? :lol

You're not making any sense, holmes...

[ballhog]

Yeah the mavs should've won that game and it would've been easier if the mavs didn't let the officials decide the game which has proven that Shaq teams get more calls than other teams. Oh well I guess the mavs will have to blow out the Heat next time.

Boo hoo. Mavs get lots of breaks. If you can't see that, you're nuts.

[himat]

Dirk gets a lot of calls and so does Wade. Mavs had a 13 point lead with only 6 minutes to go. They gave away the game, the refs didn't make miami win.

[AlvinRobertsonrocksjail]

Dallas 'Ricks = 2006 Western Conference Chumps

[TeyshaBlue]

You sound EXACTLY like the whiny Spurs fans during the semi's...going thru each game and only picking out the calls that went against the Spurs or helped the Mavs...

I could go through ANY game from the perspective of EITHER team and create a list. In the end, the lists usually balance out...

Mavs blew the game...plain and simple...



See above :smokin



+10

[samikeyp]

You sound EXACTLY like the whiny Spurs fans during the semi's...going thru each game and only picking out the calls that went against the Spurs or helped the Mavs...

I could go through ANY game from the perspective of EITHER team and create a list. In the end, the lists usually balance out...

Mavs blew the game...plain and simple...

Leonard has a point...not his implication that all Spurs fans are whiny (he does that all the time) but about the Mavs blowing it. Miami is a good team and they responded at home yet the Mavs were still one play from OT. I think Dallas answers back in Game 4.

[LEONARD]

Leonard has a point...not his implication that all Spurs fans are whiny (he does that all the time) but about the Mavs blowing it. Miami is a good team and they responded at home yet the Mavs were still one play from OT. I think Dallas answers back in Game 4.

I said THE whiny Spurs fans...as in, the ones that do whine. There are plenty here that aren't, and didn't whine... :fro

It took the 2nd biggest comeback in finals history, 42 pts from Wade, Shaq hitting 2 FT's, and Dirk missing one to get a 2 pt win for the Heat. I feel just fine about the Mavs position...they're clearly the better team here. The Spurs and Suns are both better than the Heat, so there's no excuse for losing this series...

[samikeyp]

I said THE whiny Spurs not...as in, the ones that do whine. There are plenty here that aren't, and didn't whine...

Fair enough. :afro

[kinbenzoo]

i wann heat win

[mavsfan1000]

The suns might be the better team but the Heat are the better home team. Mostly because of how great Wade is at home and the refs murder you like the Lakers and Jazz homer refs used to do. If the mavs don't win tonights game they are in trouble.

[FUCKMARKCUBAN]

what did i say in a previous post... oh yeah! lets be realistic heat 4-2!

FUCK DALLAS!

[Winnipeg_Spur]

The suns might be the better team but the Heat are the better home team. Mostly because of how great Wade is at home and the refs murder you like the Lakers and Jazz homer refs used to do. If the mavs don't win tonights game they are in trouble.
Funny, I think a lot of fans would say the same thing about another team who plays in an American Airline building. I can't remember who that is though... :p

[LEONARD]

what did i say in a previous post... oh yeah! lets be realistic heat 4-2!

FUCK DALLAS!

:lmao


Funny, I think a lot of fans would say the same thing about another team who plays in an American Airline building. I can't remember who that is though... :p

Every team gets more calls at home...even in SA...

Keep whining...Mavs fans love hearing it...

[FUCKMARKCUBAN]

:lmao



Every team gets more calls at home...even in SA...

Keep whining...Mavs fans love hearing it...

no mav fans love signing up on SPURS forums just to act like they are the shit when in reality they are just shitty.

go talk hasselhoff somewhere else.

[Winnipeg_Spur]

Keep whining...Mavs fans love hearing it...
I didn't say I was one of those fans, and I love hearing Mav fans whine as well.

[angel_luv]

Wow Shaq went flying.... I thought Jason should have taken that shot though.

[sprrs]

Wow what a sad move by stackhouse. If Shaq makes his free throws it's only gonna get worse for the Mavs. Williams should have taken that shot though.

[itzsoweezee]

well, the heat are doing something the spurs couldn't do against the mavs - play effective defense. this should dead all the talk that small-ball was in any way whatsoever a good idea

[ChumpDumper]

well, the heat are doing something the spurs couldn't do against the mavs - play effective defense. this should dead all the talk that small-ball was in any way whatsoever a good ideaHad we Shaq, Haslem and Mourning to play with Duncan we never would've gone small.

[spurs_in_7]

the heat will win the championship because..................

DALLAS IS A FRAUD!!! :madrun

[midgetonadonkey]

So if I had a comment about tonight's game, I would post it here since this is the "Official NBA Finals" thread?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

7 points in the 4th. ouch. i can't wait to hear Brady Tinker's comments tomorrow.

[efrem1]

Just like game 4 in our series last year. Let's see if Dallas is up to the challenge.

[windboy226]

We had our chance in the fourth when Miami committed 5 or 6 straight turnovers to start the quarter. Dallas couldn't convert one of those into a single point. Even if we convert only half we would of had a 5 point game. Never seen the Mavs so off before as a team all game long. Dirk and Josh, hell the whole team needs to work on their shot before Sunday's game. It's pretty sad when Devin is the only one who could hit an outside shot. Man, being a die-hard fan sucks. It just completely ruins your mood and weekend. Glad I'm not like this about the Cowboys or the Rangers(to a lesser extent).

[FUCKMARKCUBAN]

heat 4-2

[FUCKMARKCUBAN]

one more thing... hows it feel to get beaten by 24pts bitches!

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

Whoever wins game 5 will win the series.

[dirk4mvp]

one more thing... hows it feel to get beaten by 24pts bitches!
How does it feel to get put out out by the guys who got beat by 24? :spin

[GrandeDavid]

^Yeah, admittedly, an anomaly occurred. The Spur simply shot themselves in the foot one two many times in that Dallas series, not to mention the shoddy officiating. The Spurs have 3 championships, way more playoff experience and a much better track record in division titles for Dallas fans to be talking anytime soon.

One thing's for certain, the Spurs will be back strong and ready come next season's playoffs, and I'm very confident they'll claim their fourth championship.

I still think Dallas will win this series, though.

[GrandeDavid]

Yeah the mavs should've won that game and it would've been easier if the mavs didn't let the officials decide the game which has proven that Shaq teams get more calls than other teams. Oh well I guess the mavs will have to blow out the Heat next time.

Yeah, the Mavs shoulda won that game. Had they ONLY scored 25 more measly points. :rolleyes

[dirk4mvp]

C'mon about the officiating. If somebody so much as said " What's up" to Timmy, it was an automatic foul.

[LEONARD]

'05-06 Mavs > '05-06 Spurs, so Spurs fans really can't rip the Mavs TOO much can they? :blah

Missed WAAYYYYYYYYYy too many open shots...they'll fall in game 5 and the Mavs will still win in 6 like I've said all along... :fro

[PaceMonster]

its either Heat in 6 or Mavs in 7

[dirk4mvp]

Shall be a slobberknocker until it's over with. I really want to see a legendary game where Wade and Dirk go for 55 apiece for something to go in the books.

[LEONARD]

no mav fans love signing up on SPURS forums just to act like they are the shit when in reality they are just shitty.

go talk hasselhoff somewhere else.

:LMAO

If the Mavs are shitty, what are the Spurs??

I love how the national media / fanas are eating up the Hasselhoff bit... :lmao Idiots...


well, the heat are doing something the spurs couldn't do against the mavs - play effective defense. this should dead all the talk that small-ball was in any way whatsoever a good idea

If the Mavs hit their open shots like they NORMALLY do the game would've gone down to the wire...


Wow what a sad move by stackhouse. If Shaq makes his free throws it's only gonna get worse for the Mavs. Williams should have taken that shot though.

Williams' fault...good hard play by Stack... :fro

[bulletedge]

Lets call a spade a spade- Dallas is choking...big time. Dirk can't hit the broad side of a barn. If Dallas doesn't win game 5, I think Miami takes the series.

As a Dallas fan I was very disappointed with the lack of character the Mavs displayed last night. They'd better get their shit together fast.

[LEONARD]

Lets call a spade a spade- Dallas is choking...big time. Dirk can't hit the broad side of a barn. If Dallas doesn't win game 5, I think Miami takes the series.

As a Dallas fan I was very disappointed with the lack of character the Mavs displayed last night. They'd better get their shit together fast.

Yes, they are choking. They're playing really tight in Miami...

The Heat still have to win one (or 2) in Dallas...

[PaceMonster]

^^which i see happening if they win game 5....if they lose game 5, then DALLAS MAVERICKS 2006 NBA CHAMPS....as much as i hate to say it

[dirk4mvp]

I really didn't know Wade was this good. He even had LBJ kissing his ass on sportscenter yesterday.

[td4mvp3]

so does stackhouse get suspended? that didn't look like he was going for the ball, he hit shaq in the head...

[MadDog73]

The NBA seems to be pretty tough this year, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was.

But, then again, it's game 5 of the Finals...

[td4mvp3]

The NBA seems to be pretty tough this year, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was.

But, then again, it's game 5 of the Finals...
yeah, but geez, there is absolutely no doubt that the guy had no chance of getting to the ball and no real effort to do so. aw well, maybe i'm just hoping for anything to help the heat win this thing.

[LEONARD]

I don't think he hit him in the head...

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/oly_full.getty-57562010mw025_nba_finals_ga_11_25_35_pm.jpg

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/oly_full.getty-57562010mw021_nba_finals_ga_11_14_22_pm.jpg

I doubt he gets suspended for it...

[dirk4mvp]

That's a big body to hit the floor.

[bulletedge]

It wouldn't surprise me to see Stackhouse get suspended- although I don't think he should be. Maybe just wishful thinking on my part.

If Shaq hadn't fallen down it wouldn't even be in question- just another intentional foul to prevent a breakaway dunk.

[LEONARD]

Yea it is...I like the play by Stackhouse...only because Williams screwed around and allowed it to happen. If he gets suspended, so be it...Mavs can beat the Heat without him...

I like Avery's face in the background :D

[SPARKY]

He won't be suspended but Stackhouse clearly did not make a play on the ball. Post the vid.

[ShoogarBear]

Stack didn't come anwhere near the ball. And had no intention to.

The call was made correctly, a flagrant 1. THere should be no suspension.

[dirk4mvp]

It was really a bonehead move by Stack. He wasn't even looking at Shaq when he went in. We can just add it to the "Stack's bonehead plays" collection.

[td4mvp3]

Stack didn't come anwhere near the ball. And had no intention to.

The call was made correctly, a flagrant 1. THere should be no suspension.
but couldn't the same thing be said of posey when he decked henrich? i don't believe he hit him in the head, either, but he did bump him bad and send him sprawling. and terry's fisting of bowen also failed to hit head (well, one any way) but got him tossed.

[CharlieMac]

So.......Dirk has set a new record for the number of free throws attempted in a single postseason? Interesting stat.

[FUCKMARKCUBAN]

How does it feel to get put out out by the guys who got beat by 24? :spin

hows it feel to win a series by cheating? yeah dont act like you dont know. bitch!

[FUCKMARKCUBAN]

and terry's fisting of bowen also failed to hit head (well, one any way) but got him tossed.

you mean his punching to the groin of finley? im just assuming........ cause i dont remember bowen ever getting punched. anyhow fuck terry!

[LEONARD]

hows it feel to win a series by cheating? yeah dont act like you dont know. bitch!

:lmao

I love this place... :lol

[FromWayDowntown]

:lmao

I love this place... :lol

They don't get it, but I can imagine how much posts like those bring you joy and make you want to keep coming back.

[ducks]

terry saved the day for the mavs in game 1 not dirk either

dirk is sucking

[Trainwreck2100]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[FUCKMARKCUBAN]

:lmao

I love this place... :lol

yeah im going to be laughing just as hard as you are crying come tuesday night when the mavs lose it all.... cheaters never prosper! :smokin

[sabar]

From what I've seen so far, Dirk better not get MVP if the mavs do win. Should go to Terry, though I know it won't. Of course MVP can go to the losing team (or at least it could at some time in the past).

[REDLION#22]

the MVP will be dwyane tyrone wade A.K.A. the FLASH!!!!!!!!!!!


shaq could also get it,if it wasnt for his game 2 performance......

[dirk4mvp]

Yeah, KVH had as many points as Shaq in that game. :lol :depressed

[LEONARD]

yeah im going to be laughing just as hard as you are crying come tuesday night when the mavs lose it all.... cheaters never prosper! :smokin

Please explain to me how the Mavs "cheated"... :lol

[Spurologist]

Heat

In

Six

[Spurologist]

v-book it


haha dirk sucks hard when he's not getting to shoot free throws after he chunks up his garbage airballs

My Chicago trip sucked, but watching Dirk without his bib at the end of the game was my highlight. Another late game special.

[mabber]

From what I've seen so far, Dirk better not get MVP if the mavs do win. Should go to Terry, though I know it won't. Of course MVP can go to the losing team (or at least it could at some time in the past).

I agree, but there's a lot of hoops left to be played and yes, Wade could get it even if the Mavs win the title.

[mavsfan1000]

Mavs are going full force ahead. I doubt the Heat can keep up with the re-energized mavs. The mavs will come out like game 7 against the spurs. Book it.

[Spurologist]

I agree, but there's a lot of hoops left to be played and yes, Wade could get it even if the Mavs win the title.

Wade has the mvp so far hands down, but I don't think there will ever be a player on the losing team win the finals mvp again. Just don't see it happening.

[Spurologist]

Salvatore just getting warmed up.

Walker 2 fouls out
Haslem 2 fouls out

[miss paxton]

I admit I wasn't really listening, but did Dirk just say his father considered basketball a women's sport? And weren't we also informed earlier in this series that Dirk's father wanted him to play handball? I just find it weird that someone would consider handball "manlier" than basketball. Did anyone else hear this?

[CharlieMac]

Hubie doesn't beelieve the refs make a bad call apparently.

[aaronstampler]

Okay, so if Griffin couldn't help out his mama with algebra, then how did HE graduate high school?

[aaronstampler]

Wade has the mvp so far hands down, but I don't think there will ever be a player on the losing team win the finals mvp again. Just don't see it happening.

it's because the NBA award isn't like the NHL. In the NHL they award mvp for the whole playoffs, in the NBA, just the finals. And also, for a losing player to be the MVP, it has to be like a major upset situation, like a star player dragging a 7 seed all the way to game 7 of the finals against a heavily favored 65 win team from the other conference or something. And then he'd have to average like 40 a night in the finals...

[aaronstampler]

Shaq with his patented And-None

[Spurologist]

it's because the NBA award isn't like the NHL. In the NHL they award mvp for the whole playoffs, in the NBA, just the finals. And also, for a losing player to be the MVP, it has to be like a major upset situation, like a star player dragging a 7 seed all the way to game 7 of the finals against a heavily favored 65 win team from the other conference or something. And then he'd have to average like 40 a night in the finals...

It has happened before and I don't think many disagreed with the decision. Here are his numbers

1969 -- Jerry West, Los Angeles
Averaged 30.9 points, 3.9 rebounds and 7.5 assists in 18 playoff games as the Lakers lost to the Boston Celtics, 4-3.


He averaged 37.9 pts in the NBA FINALS. Not bad. I still think Havlicek should have won the award, but Damn (:wow) West was dominant enough to win it.

[Bob Lanier]

If Chauncey fucking Billups can win it, Jason Terry can.

[Spurologist]

Jason Terry might need to be guarded. Just an idea for the heat

[ballhog]

Refs making up for Stackhouse being gone....putting fouls on Walker and Haslem. With them out, Mavs made a run.

[Winnipeg_Spur]

Refs making up for Stackhouse being gone....putting fouls on Walker and Haslem. With them out, Mavs made a run.
It's not the refs, Howard and Terry are just taking it to the Heat.