Spurs vs Suns Nov. 8th - Game Blog

[aaronstampler]

Five more minutes of hilarity ensues.

[mikejones99]

wholly fucking shit

[Cherry]

My God. Overtime :devil

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Damnit Pop. When a team has to foul, you put:

Brent
Manu
Tony
Finley
Barry

on the court and let them pick their poison. Putting a hack like Duncan in there and then making him the primary pass option on the inbounds is just stupid.

[PerforatedNeckline]

this would be a nice time for manu to actually hit some shots.

[TDMVPDPOY]

raja meant that? so he and the suns can padd in OT

[boutons_]

Duncan's FTs continue to stain his career. fuck, he lost the game in regulation.

Spurs are lucky that another Island boy also choked.

[Nero]

Pop's grade deserves minus 10 points for leaving TD in there. Inexcusable.

[mikejones99]

shoot the ball more oberto, fuck

[carib]

They are Free take them, make them, practice them

[Texas_Ranger]

Its ok

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Remember at tiems like taht we'd pass it to Steve Kerr and let him hug the ball or crawl into the fetal position?

I thought parker was our guy for that this year?

[MannyIsGod]

Haha...moderator.I know.

[mikejones99]

goddam let oberto shoot more now

[SuperManu!!!]

Oberto saved us with that foul...raja was wide open for a layup

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Oh man, Tim has gotta osrt this FT sheeit out (although obviously that is never going to happen).

[TDMVPDPOY]

refs gave us this game, but we choked!!!!

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

They are Free take them, make them, practice them

Chill out. The Spurs are 22-25.

[T Park]

Damnit Pop. When a team has to foul, you put:

Brent
Manu
Tim
Finley
Barry

on the court and let them pick their poison. Putting a hack like Duncan in there and then making him the primary pass option on the inbounds is just stupid.



So Gino running to the sideline calling for the rock, wasn't?

And Fin trying to get it to him?


Okie...

[Amuseddaysleeper]

damn

i thought we had the win :(

this went from being a nice lucky to win to a huge potential heart breaker

I hope we have enough gas in the tank to eek out the OT win

we just have to dominate inside

[lefty]

I know.
Good thing ; because he is watching you

[angel_luv]

The guys are going to get this win. :)

[T Park]

refs gave us this game

Eh???

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Yeah, Tim was at least the third option on that inbounds. It was good DEF by PHX.

[Guru of Nothing]

Just got a PM from the moderator ; actually, there is censorship, so shut up

Yeah, and it's gonna fucking rain today .... somewhere.

[MannyIsGod]

BTW, Oberto's foul saved the game. Bell had a wide open layup. Good job again.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Duncan gets let off the hook. He better make up for it in OT

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Good thing ; because he is watching you

Post the "private message" then.

If not, ST Fuck U.

[MannyIsGod]

Good thing ; because he is watching you:lol

Is this moderator Santa Clause by any chance?

[Que Gee]

So Gino running to the sideline calling for the rock, wasn't?

And Fin trying to get it to him?


Okie...

It was a fucking stupid inbounds play. Barry was running away from the ball, Tim was going to it. Hell Duncan shouldn't have even been in the fucking game. He is in Shaq territory at the end of games now.

[angel_luv]

I love our homer announcers- when the guys score: " We'll take it."

[carib]

0 for 0 when they count

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Just got a PM from the moderator ; actually, there is censorship, so shut up


:lol Yeah right, a moderator told you to stop it. :lol

[MannyIsGod]

Obertooooooooooooo

[Texas_Ranger]

BRUCEeee

[mikejones99]

Spurs favored by 6, might cover the spread now.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Oh-oh-oh, Oberto!

[WalterBenitez]

No reason to have Duncan shooting those damn free throws. Thats fucking shit.

POP is misterious sometimes

[TDMVPDPOY]

i hope the spurs dont win spread of 6pts, cose alot of clowns vbookie 40k hahahhaha

[lefty]

You are a fuckin queer. The moderator is at the game. Close your fucking vagina.

I know; he is not the only moderator here ; so close yours, bitch

[MannyIsGod]

Duncan playing baaaaaaaaad

[lefty]

:lol Yeah right, a moderator told you to stop it. :lol
trying to be funny ? that's cute

[ducks]

parker

[angel_luv]

It is amazing you guys can focus to argue and watch the game. :lol

[MannyIsGod]

Holy shit, Oberto ate Wheates this morning!

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I know; he is not the only moderator here ; so close yours, bitch

This isn't SpursReport... you're at the good site.

[lefty]

:lol

Is this moderator Santa Clause by any chance?

No, ur fucking ugly mom

[Cherry]

Oberto "sucks" again :elephant
he save the game and my Vbookie? :lol

[ducks]

2:49 SA - T. Duncan defensive rebound
2:51 PHO - R. Bell missed a 13-foot jumper along the left baseline
3:00 PHO - S. Nash steals the ball from T. Duncan
3:18 PHO - S. Nash made a 16-foot jumper from the left wing
3:41 SA - T. Parker made a 20-foot jumper from the top of the key
4:00 SA - F. Oberto offensive rebound
4:01 SA - T. Duncan missed a 10-foot turnaround jumper along the left baseline
4:20 PHO - Turnover on B. Diaw
4:26 SA - Personal foul on T. Parker
4:41 SA - B. Bowen made a 15-foot jumper along the left baseline. Assist: T. Parker

[WalterBenitez]

Oberto is having a good nite ... f...g good nite!

[angel_luv]

Timmy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Spurologist]

Td!!!!

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Holy shit, Oberto ate Wheates this morning!

Obertos!

[TDMVPDPOY]

damn we are killers in OT

[ColoradoSpursFan]

Oberto is doing great...Duncan finally getting it done.

Keep Horry out. Has he made a shot this game?

[ducks]

2:10 SA - T. Duncan defensive rebound
2:13 PHO - S. Marion missed a 9-foot jumper in the lane
2:32 SA - Layup by F. Oberto. Assist: T. Duncan

[dg7md]

This is Spurs basketball, this is how they play, this overtime is exactly what Spur basketball is.

[lefty]

he? :lmao

I meant she ; anyway...

[SpursWillOwn]

I Cant Believe It Orberto 11-11

[Leetonidas]

This is one exciting night! Buzzer beaters in Boston and Orlando, and now this!

[aaronstampler]

Phoenix is the softest team inside there is, KThomas or no. Yeah, Oberto's been amazing tonight, but remember, these are the same guys that Nazr got 30 against last year.

[ducks]

1:52 PHO - Full timeout (Timeout #8)
1:52 SA - Layup by T. Duncan

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

No, ur fucking ugly mom

Still waiting for that PM, Skippy.

[MannyIsGod]

trying to be funny ? that's cute:lmao

Whats cute is you trying to tell us a moderator PMed you when we know exactly how this FUCKING place is run.

And Veronica, we're good multitaskers. :)

[T Park]

Thats the Tim Duncan I know and Love.

Just take it RIGHT AT EM!!


Is there gonna be a hard decision as to the star of the game if the Spurs win?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

trying to be funny ? that's cute

Well, we can't all have a mythical moderator beast that sends us PMs...

[BeerIsGood!]

25-21

Wake me up at overtime start :dramaquee

Did you ever wake up?

[Don Quixote]

What just happened?

(WOAI Signal's weak out here in New Orleans ... )

Oh yeah! OVertime!

[lefty]

Okay, let's forget everything and enjoy the FUCKING game

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

lefty is a tool. Disregard him.

Oberto rocks!

[ShoogarBear]

Still plenty of time for the Spurs to screw this up.

[themvp]

Tim Duncan is Gold!

[Texas_Ranger]

Duncan, Parker and Oberto are great.

[T Park]

Yeah, Oberto's been amazing tonight, but remember, these are the same guys that Nazr got 30 against last year.

I would agree, Oberto's game though, is so much smarter and a better defender than Nazr.

[ColoradoSpursFan]

HOrry is 1 for 13 or so this season... I hope he pulls his head out....

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Still plenty of time for the Spurs to screw this up.

Aren't you Mr. Killjoy.

[ShoogarBear]

Ha-ha! Spurs OT is holding up the guys from PistonsTalk and RealKingsTalk!
http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/cheeky.gif

[Texas_Ranger]

Tim Duncan is Gold!


Oberto too. :king

[SuperManu!!!]

Manu grabbed that rebound like golum....mY precious!

[T Park]

FO is really 11-11?

I thought he missed a tip in or layup?

[MannyIsGod]

Bell is nuts.

[lefty]

Well, we can't all have a mythical moderator beast that sends us PMs...
Still trying to be funny?

[ducks]

1:14 SA - T. Parker made a 10-foot running jumper in the lane
1:21 PHO - Personal foul on R. Bell
1:36 SA - M. Ginobili defensive rebound
1:38 PHO - S. Nash missed a 22-foot three-pointer from the left corner
1:52 PHO - Full timeout (Timeout #8)

[mikejones99]

score fuckers?????

[MannyIsGod]

Okay, let's forget everything and enjoy the FUCKING gameSure, don't lie and don't tell people what to say and you'll do just fine here.

[T Park]

Come on Manu WTF!!!

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Spurs v Suns games are always interesting for some reason. This one, no exception.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Bell's a phony

[Spurologist]

wtf

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Damn, Schoening nearly shit his pants.

[lefty]

Over Under on this kids age. 12 years old?

Give me a break

[RC's Boss]

wipe bell's bitch ass off w/ the spurs towel

[ducks]

51.6 SA - Foul on M. Ginobili
:51.6 SA - Offensive foul on M. Ginobili
1:02 PHO - R. Bell made a 23-foot three-pointer from the left corner. Assist: L. Barbosa

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Still trying to be funny?

Fucking always.

[MannyIsGod]

Lefty, this is when you STFU. Ok?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

111-106 us, nut I think I'm behind...

[ShoogarBear]

Still plenty of time for the Spurs to screw this up.

[ducks]

F. Oberto>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>manu tonight

[Amuseddaysleeper]

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck


come on guys

let's not blow this lead

[MannyIsGod]

LOL

Tony was so close to sumbling out of bounds.

[ShoogarBear]

Parker wanted some circus music there.

[Don Quixote]

(Muttering that he has to get cable in his FEMA trailer!)

So how's the game going now?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Uh-oh - don't piss Bell off. Now he'll do something clutch (for the fourth time tonight)

[lefty]

Sure, don't lie and don't tell people what to say and you'll do just fine here.
I wasn't lying ; unless the so-called moderator lied to me ; in that case, well done guys, u had me

[Leetonidas]

Nash with a really stupid drive.

[Cherry]

Did you ever wake up?

Yeah!!! :elephant

[Spurologist]

G
A
M
E

O
V
E
R

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Still plenty of time for the Spurs to screw this up.



Damnit, Jim.

[MannyIsGod]

Game over

[ducks]

15.9 SA - T. Parker missed an 18-foot jumper from the top of the key
:35.9 SA - F. Oberto defensive rebound
:37.9 PHO - B. Diaw missed a 19-foot jumper from the right wing
:51.6 PHO - B. Diaw enters game for R. Bell
1:52 PHO - L. Barbosa enters game for B. Diaw

[Leetonidas]

I wasn't lying ; unless the so-called moderator lied to me ; in that case, well done guys, u had me

Why don't you take a screenshot if you're not lying?

[Spurologist]

Nash = Parker's bitch

[T Park]

That should do it.

Gutty gutty win.

Estrella of the game FO.

Interview him you SOb's....

[angel_luv]

That's my Spurs!!!!!!!!!!! :fro

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I wasn't lying ; unless the so-called moderator lied to me ; in that case, well done guys, u had me

Well, post it or shut the fuck up.

[carib]

What comes to mind?

Now is the time to work on a trade.

[lrrr]

TP has been legit in the clutch.

[hitmanyr2k]

Ginobili shoulder checked the hell out of Raja Bell :lol The Spurs are getting down and dirty these days.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

6 secs left, up by 5, our ball

[Texas_Ranger]

Wawawiwa

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Still trying to be funny?

Well, I guess I could copy you and just open my mouth and everyone could laugh at me like they are you.

[RC's Boss]

Damn, Schoening nearly shit his pants.
Yeah I need a set of Depends!

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Game Over

[ColoradoSpursFan]

It is amazing that Tim Duncan misses so many FTs - the game was on the line and if Phoenix made theres it would be over.

[Zunni]

"In Delta, we have a saying: don't get mad, get even..."
WTG, Manu.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Star of the Game:

http://www.epochtimes.com/i6/607312022431811.jpg

[TDMVPDPOY]

we won ye ha, feel sorry for the vbookie group spread 6ptz hahahahaha

[themvp]

Congratulations, Spurs!

[MannyIsGod]

Lefty, we don't like liars here. Just STFU about it already.

[easjer]

What, you guys couldn't score one more fucking basket to cover the fucking spread?

Eh, fuck it. Money's gone, but I'll still embrace that 5 point win wholeheartedly.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

What's wrong with the Suns? I think maybe Bill Simmons is right...

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Nash with a really stupid drive.
That wasn't quick thinking on his part. Just get the two...but oh well. Great Game. The last plays were crazy. Bell's a fucking liar. Manu was doing the same thing back and forth on him all night.

Obvious he was acting, he's weak minded remember his stunt on Kobe? He was bottling up his resentment towards that previous foul .

[Guru of Nothing]

Since everyone is in this thread - what is the record for most FGs in a game without a miss?

I doubt Oberto set a record tonight, but he may have come sorta close.

[dimsah]

Whooo! Close one. Fuckin A Oberto!

[lefty]

Well, post it or shut the fuck up.

Please, it's over, don't be so late

[T Park]

Well, I guess I could copy you and just open my mouth and everyone could laugh at me like they are you.



Don't pull a T Park.

You'r above that mate :tu

Your a

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Since everyone is in this thread - what is the record for most FGs in a game without a miss?

I doubt Oberto set a record tonight, but he may have come sorta close.

I think they said Wilt with 15 or 16.

[Borosai]

Am I the only one that saw Bell flop like a bitch? He hurt himself by flopping backwards into Duncan, and proceeded to bounce off and onto the floor...quite sad, but he got the call so fuck him.

And Oberto is oficially in the record books. :elephant

[carib]

39 minutes
11 for 11
10 boards

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Oberto fucking won that game, with his smart foul. And plays in the OT run.

HE saved Tim Duncan's ASS>.. Now we'll all forget how Tim missed those two important freethrows and save ourselves 20 threads about it.

[IceColdBrewski]

What comes to mind?

Now is the time to work on a trade.

Nobody wants Horry at this point. He's done.

[T Park]

Since everyone is in this thread - what is the record for most FGs in a game without a miss?

I doubt Oberto set a record tonight, but he may have come sorta close.




18-18 from Wilt the Stilt.

Showed it on ESPN.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Please, stop drawing attention to me.

[leemajors]

I think they said Wilt with 15 or 16.

i think he did 13, 15 and 16 in a row all in the same season.

[lefty]

Well, I guess I could copy you and just open my mouth and everyone could laugh at me like they are you.
:downspin:

[RC's Boss]

What's wrong with the Suns? I think maybe Bill Simmons is right...
:owned :owned :owned :owned :owned :owned :owned :owned :owned :owned :owned :owned :owned :owned :owned :owned :owned :

[themvp]

I think they said Wilt with 15 or 16.

Wilt with 18.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

i think he did 13, 15 and 16 in a row all in the same season.

Damn. LOL.

[lefty]

Don't pull a T Park.

You'r above that mate :tu

Your a


:sleep

[Borosai]

I think they said Wilt with 15 or 16.

Wilt has the top 3, with 18-18, 16-16, and 15-15 (if I recall correctly). They didn't list anyone else after that, so I guess that means Oberto is #4 on a short list...fantastic.

[hitmanyr2k]

That wasn't quick thinking on his part. Just get the two...but oh well. Great Game. The last plays were crazy. Bell's a fucking liar. Manu was doing the same thing back and forth on him all night.

Obvious he was acting, he's weak minded remember his stunt on Kobe? He was bottling up his resentment towards that previous foul .

Nah...I think that was a legit foul lol. Ginobili cocked that shoulder back and let Bell have it right in the chest. It was clear as day. I think it was payback for that slap in the mouth the play before. I think Popovich saw it too which is why he was pissed.

[Spurologist]

Players of the game:

Fabricio Oberto 22 pts 11-11 fgs 10 rbds 2 assists 1 stl 1 blk
Tony Parker 29 pts 6 assists 4 stls 2-3 3pt
Tim Duncan 22 pts 14 rbds 6 assists 2 blks

[lefty]

Oberto was perfect

But what's with Pop? udrih and Horry were ineffective, they spent too much time on the court


Parker was great ; he fought really hard

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Nah...I think that was a legit foul lol. Ginobili cocked that shoulder back and let Bell have it right in the chest. It was clear as day. I think it was payback for that slap in the mouth the play before. I think Popovich saw it too which is why he was pissed.
:lol oh well.. I couldn't tell. Bell's a pussy.

[TDMVPDPOY]

ginoboli 2-12 trade this fool

[dimsah]

Why did Elson only get 6 minutes? Was he missing rotations?
He had 6 boards in those 6 minutes. A hell of a lot better than Horry's 17 minutes.

[themvp]

Wilt has the top 3, with 18-18, 16-16, and 15-15 (if I recall correctly). They didn't list anyone else after that, so I guess that means Oberto is #4 on a short list...fantastic.

Duncan was last season in playoffs vs. Dallas (?) 12-12.

[TMTTRIO]

what's wrong with Manu? He hasn't had a good game yet

[lefty]

Horry is useless during the regular season ; he should spend more time with his family and come back in april

[JMarkJohns]

Until Phoenix realizes the gimmick offense (of Nash simply running around in circles until someone gets open) doesn't work consistantly enough in the fourth quarter and overtime, I'm not convinced they'll ever be a contending team when coupled with their defensive (not bad, but not good either) and rebounding (pretty mediocre, despite potential for more) inability.

Congratulations... crappy end of game by Phoenix with equal part Spurs taking over and Suns handing it over (in my opinion).

Soon as Bell missed that last FT, I knew the Suns were going down. Can't lay too much blame on him since he hit a big three and made the potential game-tying and winning drive. Nash's moronic transition foul on Parker was just as costly.

[1Parker1]

Am I the only one that saw Bell flop like a bitch? He hurt himself by flopping backwards into Duncan, and proceeded to bounce off and onto the floor...quite sad, but he got the call so fuck him.

I didn't understand that play. WTF happened to Bell? It just looked like Manu knocked him in the gut a little, but Bell was writhing on the floor like he had a broken rib or something. Replays didn't really show anything happening to warrant him being such a :dramaqueen

BTW, I don't think Oberto broke any record...Wilt still has him beat by about 3 or 4 more FG's. However, I would have laughed my ass off if Oberto managed to tie it. Can you imagine the record books?

Most FG's Made in a Game without a Miss

17/17--Wilt
16/16--Wilt
15/15--Wilt
15/15--Fabricio (Who the Fuck?) :lmao

[Guru of Nothing]

18-18 from Wilt the Stilt.

Showed it on ESPN.

Thanks TPark, you right wing ho - just kidding.

I knew when I asked the question that Wilt would be part of the answer.

[1Parker1]

Until Phoenix realizes the gimmick offense (of Nash simply running around in circles until someone gets open) doesn't work consistantly enough in the fourth quarter and overtime, I'm not convinced they'll ever be a contending team when coupled with their defensive (not bad, but not good either) and rebounding (pretty mediocre, despite potential for more) inability.

Congratulations... crappy end of game by Phoenix with equal part Spurs taking over and Suns handing it over (in my opinion).

Soon as Bell missed that last FT, I knew the Suns were going down. Can't lay too much blame on him since he hit a big three and made the potential game-tying and winning drive. Nash's moronic transition foul on Parker was just as costly.

It's not the gimmick offense that kills you. 9 times out of 10, Nash running circles until someone gets open results in either a 3 pointer or 2 pointer for the team. Lack of defense and rebounders hurts you guys more. When you have a close game, especially in the 4th, against good teams like Spurs, Dallas, Miami, etc. you need to be able to make stops and rebound. Suns still don't have that...adding Raja Bell doesn't make you a defensive team all of a sudden. That's why you guys were still something like 0-7 last season in close games.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I didn't understand that play. WTF happened to Bell? It just looked like Manu knocked him in the gut a little, but Bell was writhing on the floor like he had a broken rib or something. Replays didn't really show anything happening to warrant him being such a :dramaqueen

BTW, I don't think Oberto broke any record...Wilt still has him beat by about 3 or 4 more FG's. However, I would have laughed my ass off if Oberto managed to tie it. Can you imagine the record books?

Most FG's Made in a Game without a Miss

17/17--Wilt
16/16--Wilt
15/15--Wilt
15/15--Fabricio (Who the Fuck?) :lmao

I think you've got some 'splainin to do.

[maddnezz]

LOL

Tony was so close to sumbling out of bounds.
:lol :lol sumbling, good sh!t Manny

[Marklar MM]

Watch the Pistons on ESPN. Enjoy the technicals they call on us. Freakin bouncing a ball...technical.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

I didn't understand that play. WTF happened to Bell? It just looked like Manu knocked him in the gut a little, but Bell was writhing on the floor like he had a broken rib or something. Replays didn't really show anything happening to warrant him being such a :dramaqueen

BTW, I don't think Oberto broke any record...Wilt still has him beat by about 3 or 4 more FG's. However, I would have laughed my ass off if Oberto managed to tie it. Can you imagine the record books?

Most FG's Made in a Game without a Miss

17/17--Wilt
16/16--Wilt
15/15--Wilt
15/15--Fabricio (Who the Fuck?) :lmao
I knowww, I wanted him to try to tie, it just because it'd be so damn funny, with Wilt. He very damn well could have with enough good passes to him. He did a good job at being calm and smart about those lay ins.
Pop didn't call for him to get the ball though, because Pop is blind when exploiting hot players.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I think you've got some 'splainin to do.

:lol :lol

[maddnezz]

Nash looked like he had a real bad groin pull or a reeeaaaallllll bad rash!!!!

[ShoogarBear]

Until Phoenix realizes the gimmick offense (of Nash simply running around in circles until someone gets open) doesn't work consistantly enough in the fourth quarter and overtime, I'm not convinced they'll ever be a contending team when coupled with their defensive (not bad, but not good either) and rebounding (pretty mediocre, despite potential for more) inability.

Congratulations... crappy end of game by Phoenix with equal part Spurs taking over and Suns handing it over (in my opinion).

Soon as Bell missed that last FT, I knew the Suns were going down. Can't lay too much blame on him since he hit a big three and made the potential game-tying and winning drive. Nash's moronic transition foul on Parker was just as costly.Actually, I thought in spurts the Suns defense tonight was as good as I've ever seen it (in the D'Antoni era). If they had spared themselves the brain farts on Oberto they would have won comfortably.

[maddnezz]

Oberto was the weapon of mass production tonite!!!!!!!!! :fro :king :downspin:

[Budkin]

Good win Spurs, knew you could pull it out. And yes, Oberto was the man. :downspin:

[maddnezz]

I knowww, I wanted him to try to tie, it just because it'd be so damn funny, with Wilt. He very damn well could have with enough good passes to him. He did a good job at being calm and smart about those lay ins.
Pop didn't call for him to get the ball though, because Pop is blind when exploiting hot players.
HeLL yea!!!!!

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

EDIT: I think Spurs may lose tonight...Suns will be highly motivated given the Spurs history of crushing their hopes. I think it'll be a close game, hopefully it goes the Spurs way.

Hi, 1Parker1!

:lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Until Phoenix realizes the gimmick offense (of Nash simply running around in circles until someone gets open) doesn't work consistantly enough in the fourth quarter and overtime, I'm not convinced they'll ever be a contending team when coupled with their defensive (not bad, but not good either) and rebounding (pretty mediocre, despite potential for more) inability.

That's all D'Antoni knows, nothing will change as long as he is coach.

[angel_luv]

This is unrelated except that some of you might still have the t.v on- is that Little Robert in the ancira commercials Horry's son?

[1Parker1]

Hi, 1Parker1!

:lol


:lol UMMMM, Excuse me. We were very close to doing that!!! That was a luck game. I never thought freakin Oberto would go 11-11 or that Bell/Nash would choke!

My apologies for underestimating my Spurs. (Though I did win 200 in vbookie! :eyebrows)

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

:lol UMMMM, Excuse me. We were very close to doing that!!! That was a luck game. I never thought freakin Oberto would go 11-11 or that Bell/Nash would choke!

My apologies for underestimating my Spurs. (Though I did win 200 in vbookie! :eyebrows)

I know, I know...just giving you a hard time.

[1Parker1]

You know what else I just realized?? Is this the MOST EXCITED Spurs fans have been about the teams Centers since D Rob retired?? :wow :lol

[maddnezz]

I know this is totally of topic but on national geographic explorer they cross bred a lion and a tiger and it came out bigger than a regular lion! The stop growing gene dosen't work so it was like waching Shaq standing next to someone 5'11"! Science at work!

[1Parker1]

I know, I know...just giving you a hard time.

You're just pissed cuz you probably lost the vbookie and your down to $0. :greedy

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

You know what else I just realized?? Is this the MOST EXCITED Spurs fans have been about the teams Centers since D Rob retired?? :wow :lol

Maybe. I guess you could have called the board "excited" about Nazr's 3-pointer and the ensuing hubbub.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

You're just pissed cuz you probably lost the vbookie and your down to $0. :greedy

:lol I think I did lose, actually.

[ShoogarBear]

I know, I know...just giving you a hard time.You wish.

[1Parker1]

You wish.

Stop being crude....:lol

[1Parker1]

BTW, Beno sucked tonight. His defense was absolutely horrible. There were plays where he didn't even bother putting a hand up to contest the shot and he gave the opposing player about 5 feet to operate. Plus, he really isn't running the offense smoothly and looking to much for his own shot when he can't hit anything.

[angel_luv]

:lol Timmy is awesome- taking on Don Harris in interviews. hehe

[1Parker1]

:lol Timmy is awesome- taking on Don Harris in interviews. hehe


What's he saying?

[angel_luv]

What's he saying?

Timmy was talking about Oberto-saying he always works hard.

Timmy: You can say what you want about Oberto...
Don: Say what you want.
Timmy, clarifying" You say what you want. I've heard some of the things you've said about him ( Oberto).
Don: Silence.

:lol

[1Parker1]

:lol Putting him in place...

[mikejones99]

Dam them Spurs are good. Why they not play Amare more in phoenix?

[dbreiden83080]

Dam them Spurs are good. Why they not play Amare more in phoenix?

Amare was looking like the Amare of old tonight, as bad as the Spurs were playing Suns probably would have won if he did not foul out.

[1Parker1]

Dam them Spurs are good. Why they not play Amare more in phoenix?

He was in foul trouble most of the game and then eventually fouled out midway through the 4th...

[JMarkJohns]

It's not the gimmick offense that kills you. 9 times out of 10, Nash running circles until someone gets open results in either a 3 pointer or 2 pointer for the team.

Not in the final five minutes. It doesn't work. I've seen it for three years and unless the circumstances are right (i.e. every being hot), Nash runs around in the halfcourt set, Suns stand around on the perimeter, he uses a few for screens, there's one or two cuts toward the basket, but most times it's a semi-contested perimeter jumper that, because legs are no longer fresh, don't go in as consistantly as they did earlier.


Lack of defense and rebounders hurts you guys more.

As I'll adress later on, at times I like the Suns defense. It's average with the potential to be better. Last year they were pretty solid. Probably hovered around top-10 (in real defense, not Hollinger's fantasy stat land) and could be counted on forcing a fair amount of misses. This year they do so inconsistantly, but come the fourth quarter, much like with the offense, the fresh legs that out-ran and out-jumped early simply tire and the effectiveness of a defense based on quicks and gambles diminishes.

Rebounding, however, is atrocious. They could be better, but until Amare can return to a 8-per form, they'll struggle to be average. They are too short and rely too heavily on athleticism as opposed to skills to net their rebounds. Save for Thomas, there isn't a fundamental rebounder amongst the lot.


When you have a close game, especially in the 4th, against good teams like Spurs, Dallas, Miami, etc. you need to be able to make stops and rebound. Suns still don't have that...adding Raja Bell doesn't make you a defensive team all of a sudden. That's why you guys were still something like 0-7 last season in close games.

It's not the players, it's the system. It's emphasis is offense and defensive gambles for easy offensive opportunities. Anything that actually requires work on the defensive end seems to be ignored, in large part, by every player save for maybe Bell and Thomas.


Actually, I thought in spurts the Suns defense tonight was as good as I've ever seen it (in the D'Antoni era). If they had spared themselves the brain farts on Oberto they would have won comfortably.

Yes. In spurts. When the regulars legs are rested and they cann get the quick leap to take advantage of the quick read, then yes, they can be effective, but once legs get tired and the ability to out-quick the opponant is gone, they are a rather pathetic halfcourt defense. Couple this with their inability to rebound and you have a recipe for lost leads or big deficits.


Overall, they've competed in every game. Realisically, they could have won this, the Utah and the Lakers game. Still, they didn't win and the reasons why are pretty obvious. Inconsistant everything. They can get points and good defensive statistics, but until the start to buckle down and run deliberate half-court offensive sets and start to apply defensive and rebounding technique to their athleticism on the defensive end, they'll continue to win or lose at random as the shots are falling late. If they aren't, I have little confidence they can hold leads against playoff teams.

That is all.

To be honest, I'm as sick of Bell's and Manu's flopping as I was of players stopping to bitch to refs. I HATE flopping and would welcome a rule similer to that of "diving" in soccer. Any interpreted intentional flop or baiting of the refs results in an automatic tech and two free throws for the opposition. Two T's result in an ejection.

Does anyone else think flopping is a plague on the League? I know there are tons of Manu fans out here, but I, as a Suns fan, admit that Nash's and Bell's flopping hurts the game. I just wonder do other fans think little of the "artform" and do so to enough extent to want something done?

In my opinion, half the offensive foul calls in the League are complete BS. Same holds for Nash and Bell. Seriously. I SIMPLY HATE FLOPPING :pctoss

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Dam them Spurs are good. Why they not play Amare more in phoenix?

Me fail English, that's unpossible.

[1Parker1]

Amare was looking like the Amare of old tonight, as bad as the Spurs were playing Suns probably would have won if he did not foul out.


Ehhh, Thomas played better defense on Duncan than Amare would have, so it's hard to say...

[dbreiden83080]

Ehhh, Thomas played better defense on Duncan than Amare would have, so it's hard to say...

True Amare blocks a shot every now and then but he is not a good man to man defender.

[milkyway21]

-- Tony Parker scored 29 points and Fabricio Oberto added 22 on 11-of-11 shooting to lead the San Antonio Spurs to a 111-106 overtime victory over the struggling Phoenix Suns on Wednesday.


http://images.sportsline.com/u/photos/basketball/nba/img9788558.jpg
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!! :ihit :ihit :ihit

+ 10 rbds = double-double

[veronicamae]

damn Oberto was on fire tonight, i was in shock!!! and of course i love Tony and his awesome game as well!

there were quite a few PHX fans there. i was near one on the escalator and the guy was content and said it was a good game and he got his money's worth. then he said, "man, we had it until the last 5 minutes!"

to which a woman replied, "that's all that matters!"

heck yes!

[JMarkJohns]

Also, because of the trap and swarm style defense played by the Suns, a player like Oberto is always capable of having a big game because not only is he just plain bigger and more skilled than the Suns frontcourt, but his man is likely wandering around in search of a steal or block or swarm on Duncan (or whomever)... Last year vs. you it was Nazr. Before that it was Rose. He who is the last capable any other night is very capable vs. the Suns because the "defense" pays very little attention to them and every big man in the NBA can dunk semi-contested or hit a layup with some random guard rotated onto him.

It's the norm. Some good games happen to come from good players like Okur or Kaman. Others come from Oberto or Bynum.

[Borosai]

I just heard on ESPN that Oberto's 11-11 is a new Spurs record...so I guess Duncan didn't do it before (although they could be wrong...I'm too lazy to check online).

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I just heard on ESPN that Oberto's 11-11 is a new Spurs record...so I guess Duncan didn't do it before (although they could be wrong...I'm too lazy to check online).


TD did go 12-12 in last season's playoff and was perfect at halftime, but int he 2nd half he missed some shots so it ruined the perfect FG %

[milkyway21]

the Spurs-Suns game is always a classic!

plus these guys are all good guys and respect each other. there was no hard foul on anybody or flagrant or something. just playing their best game.

and into OT.

:tu to Suns even if you lost.

[dav4463]

Duncan was incredible at crunch time tonight.

[smeagol]

That right there, was single handidly, the best play I think Ive seen barry execute as a Spur.
The problem is you are blind.

[mikejones99]

probly spurs reg season record. fu

[JMarkJohns]

the Spurs-Suns game is always a classic for us Spurs fans!

Fixed it for ya! :dramaquee

[theroc5]

SPURS WIN YA!!!
MANU needs to DRIVE MORE
Oberto was crazy good
Duncan good but missed crucial free throws
parker good job
bowen good job
elson finely need more minutes

as a team in the 4th qt and Ot wow great job, real impressive but the rest of the game eh medicore to above average.

Good win, Spurs improve 4-1, still very early in this season

[milkyway21]

Duncan was incredible at crunch time tonight.

he's ALWAYS good so sometimes we tend to forget his contribution

26 pts; 14 rbds; 6 assts :dizzy

[JMarkJohns]

Oh I wish I was a San Antonio Spurs fan...
They've won the Title to the tune of three...
Oh I wish I was a San Antonio Spurs fan...
Because my Suns just can't play no D!!!

:depressed

:spin

Congrats, again...

[Nashfan]

You have to admit the refs handed you guy's the game. Twenty-five free throw attempts to six. Pathetic. What happened to the no whining rule? Guess it doesn't apply to the Spurs. Yes, Raja missing that crucial freethrow at the end killed us and also Marion and Diaw letting Oberto look like a superstar did not help either but it gets frustrating to another team when the refs let the other team waltz to the free throw line a lot. When the Sun's start getting their rythm back this year then they will win games like these. Amare played well in his limited time on the court. When Diaw wakes up and we integrate our new guys in the game better we will be a lot better. It is not like the Spus blew us out. Just count yourself lucky that you got home cooking tonight!

[milkyway21]

Fixed it for ya! :dramaqueehe :D he:D

:tu to Raja Bell. that 3pt shot could have cost us the game.

i just wonder where the Matrix disappeared for awhile :rolleyes

[1Parker1]

You have to admit the refs handed you guy's the game. Twenty-five free throw attempts to six. Pathetic. What happened to the no whining rule? Guess it doesn't apply to the Spurs. Yes, Raja missing that crucial freethrow at the end killed us and also Marion and Diaw letting Oberto look like a superstar did not help either but it gets frustrating to another team when the refs let the other team waltz to the free throw line a lot. When the Sun's start getting their rythm back this year then they will win games like these. Amare played well in his limited time on the court. When Diaw wakes up and we integrate our new guys in the game better we will be a lot better. It is not like the Spus blew us out. Just count yourself lucky that you got home cooking tonight!


:lol Are you really a Suns fan? Because if you truly were, you'd realize that the FT differential is in no way indicative of the refs "handing" the Spurs the game. Last year, Suns were last in the league in FTA. Same the season before. It's hard to foul a team that relies so much of jumpshooting and 3 point shooting.

[TDMVPDPOY]

i can see us winnin the next 7 games, catchin 3-4 teams on b2b nights = easy win, next. blazers, kings and rockets will have a day off in between but i can see us lightin them up for a win....

[smeagol]

goddam let oberto shoot more now
Huh?

Most of Oberto's points came from uncontested layups.

Even though he made 15 ft shots, he usually misses those so, no don't let Oberto shoot but feed him the ball.

[JMarkJohns]

he :D he:D

:tu to Raja Bell. that 3pt shot could have cost us the game.

i just wonder where the Matrix disappeared for awhile :rolleyes

Unfortunately for me, I came in right in the midst of their fourth-quarter collapse and caught just thhe parts where they fell apart, coming together just long enough to not only rip my heart out, but then jump on it in fits of rage because they, to barrow a line from The Eagles, "just can't kill the beast"...

So, I said all that to say this, I don't even know if 'trix showed up at all :rolleyes

[dbreiden83080]

I am waiting for Timmy to face his man up and start using his bank shot again. You know he is healthy by the way he is moving and his post game is all there, he just needs to get that bank going again.

[RC's Boss]

The refs didn't hand us the game. Look how many 3's PHX took and SA has a TRUE post player that can get to the line, not an athletic big man that dunks. That's the reason for the disparity in the ft's

[Leetonidas]

You have to admit the refs handed you guy's the game. Twenty-five free throw attempts to six. Pathetic. What happened to the no whining rule? Guess it doesn't apply to the Spurs. Yes, Raja missing that crucial freethrow at the end killed us and also Marion and Diaw letting Oberto look like a superstar did not help either but it gets frustrating to another team when the refs let the other team waltz to the free throw line a lot. When the Sun's start getting their rythm back this year then they will win games like these. Amare played well in his limited time on the court. When Diaw wakes up and we integrate our new guys in the game better we will be a lot better. It is not like the Spus blew us out. Just count yourself lucky that you got home cooking tonight!

Handed? Tim Duncan missed two free throws and Raja Bell blew one and Nash fucked it up at the end. The Suns have no one to blame but themselves. Only pussies blame the refs. :dramaquee

Anyone noticed how Manu started attacking after he hit that jumper inside the arc?

[RC's Boss]

:lol Are you really a Suns fan? Because if you truly were, you'd realize that the FT differential is in no way indicative of the refs "handing" the Spurs the game. Last year, Suns were last in the league in FTA. Same the season before. It's hard to foul a team that relies so much of jumpshooting and 3 point shooting.
Yeah what they said :smokin

[TDMVPDPOY]

sumone send a memo to D'Antoni, to get rid of the fuckn D in his name plz, i see no D what so ever on the suns team

once again halfcourt>small ball

lets hope pop understands this shit and not go small for small against small ball clubs....aka ponies in dallas

[Leetonidas]

sumone send a memo to D'Antoni, to get rid of the fuckn D in his name plz, i see no D what so ever on the suns team

once again halfcourt>small ball

lets hope pop understands this shit and not go small for small against small ball clubs....aka ponies in dallas

The Spurs got Elson specifically so they wouldn't have to go small versus Dallas.

[smeagol]

Manu grabbed that rebound like golum....mY precious!
Yep, I taught him that!

[Nashfan]

Yes, I am a Sun's fan. If I remeber correctly the Spurs did not go to the line much last year either. Nash was being bumped like a pin ball tonight and there were questionable offensive fouls on some of our guy's tonight. Mr. Floppy was out of bounds when he threw in the ball at one time and Duncan was on the out of bounds line one time and the refs did not call him out of bounds. Stuff like that adds up eventually. Yes we made stupid mistake at the end but it was a freethrow parade by the Spurs for the same type of fouls that the Spurs comitted on the Suns. We had quite a few points in the paint so that does not mean we just shot outside tonight. Admit it, you would not have been in the game except for the freethrows. Your team shot horribly tonight.

[smeagol]

Since everyone is in this thread - what is the record for most FGs in a game without a miss?

I doubt Oberto set a record tonight, but he may have come sorta close.
I heard on ESPN it's a Spurs record (11/11 that is)

[ShoogarBear]

You conveniently forget about Parker being flattened with no call, but oh, well.

[smeagol]

Oberto fucking won that game, with his smart foul. And plays in the OT run.

HE saved Tim Duncan's ASS>.. Now we'll all forget how Tim missed those two important freethrows and save ourselves 20 threads about it.
I though somebody called him "the flat-footed center from Argentina" :spin

[Nashfan]

Essay, I guess you are a pussy then because I remember this board blaming the refs for your losses against the Mavericks in the second round last year. :rolleyes

[smeagol]

what's wrong with Manu? He hasn't had a good game yet
Time to trade the fool

[peskypesky]

Also, because of the trap and swarm style defense played by the Suns, a player like Oberto is always capable of having a big game because not only is he just plain bigger and more skilled than the Suns frontcourt, but his man is likely wandering around in search of a steal or block or swarm on Duncan (or whomever)...

Just wanna give you props for your intelligent and well-written analysis of the game (and the Suns' weaknesses). You should be writing articles. I'd read them.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Essay, I guess you are a pussy then because I remember this board blaming the refs for your losses against the Mavericks in the second round last year. :rolleyes

yeh, but karma prevailed in the finals hahahhaa

[smeagol]

Yes, I am a Sun's fan. If I remeber correctly the Spurs did not go to the line much last year either. Nash was being bumped like a pin ball tonight and there were questionable offensive fouls on some of our guy's tonight. Mr. Floppy was out of bounds when he threw in the ball at one time and Duncan was on the out of bounds line one time and the refs did not call him out of bounds. Stuff like that adds up eventually. Yes we made stupid mistake at the end but it was a freethrow parade by the Spurs for the same type of fouls that the Spurs comitted on the Suns. We had quite a few points in the paint so that does not mean we just shot outside tonight. Admit it, you would not have been in the game except for the freethrows. Your team shot horribly tonight.
:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry

Cry me a fucking river, loser. Your team is soft. STFU.

[JMarkJohns]

So, can I gather that no one else within this thread is tired of flopping? if I can guage the responses, or rather lack thereof, to indicate this, my only question is why do you like flopping? The act itself lends to injury, not just for the flopper (he who flops) or the floppee (he who charges), but, as exampled by Barbosa last year, innocent bystanders as well. I think it's reckless, dangerous and silly and that it's become too much of a defensive staple in too many players games.

I hated it the first time I saw Derek Fisher play and I hate it even more now that a half-dozen players on a team employ the tactic.

I guess I'm alone in my quest - for now - but I figure there will come a day when a star player goes down and goes down hard and for a very long time and everyone's preception of this "defense" changes. It's really a weak way to defend. I know for some it's truly a skill (Bell, Manu, Fisher), but if you went back and counted, I'd bet there's roughly 6-8 offensive fouls called a game with roughly half of those being flops. I think it would help to open the game up more. Perhaps that why Spurs fans dislike it and why I, as a Suns fan, would like it, but overall, I think it lends itself fairly to every team as defenses who almost entirely get by on their ability to draw charges (like Phoenix) would be weakened even more than a defense like San Antonio where it's only one trick of many.

but hey, to each his own...

[milkyway21]

i can see us winnin the next 7 games, catchin 3-4 teams on b2b nights = easy win, next. blazers, kings and rockets will have a day off in between but i can see us lightin them up for a win....we must prepare for the Rockets.

[JMarkJohns]

Just wanna give you props for your intelligent and well-written analysis of the game (and the Suns' weaknesses). You should be writing articles. I'd read them.

Thanks... Unfortunately, not many seem to be in the talking mood, as opposed to the celebratory mood, which I guess should be expected.

Oh well... Maybe I'll garner a few replies tomarrow?! *fingers crossed*

[milkyway21]

speaking of Dallas looks like they are struggling again.

the Nuggets lost their 3rd too! and it was against NY.

[Nashfan]

Smeagol,

Cry me a fucking river yourself. Thats what you guys did last year when you lost to the Mavs for the same type of stuff. I would not exactly call the Spur that tough defensively this year. We still shot a high percentage and your team shot poorly. Free throws won you the game plain and simple!

[Nashfan]

TDMVPDPOY,

Karma may be a bitch but it still does not excuse your fans from blaming the refs anymore than I have tonight.

[milkyway21]

I heard on ESPN it's a Spurs record (11/11 that is)acc. to Express News...

Oberto's 11-for-11 performance broke the franchise record set by Mark Olberding in 1977 and tied by Gene Banks in '83.


http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA110906.01C.BKNspurs.suns.gamer.2ff50fe.html

[JMarkJohns]

I used to think blaming the refs was weak. Now I see it's a pretty natural reaction, no matter how good a team is or how educated or classy their fans are.

I've seen many on this site blame the refs and that's not an indictment for anyone NOW blaming the refs to continue. I'm just saying that after a tough loss I can now see why some fans feel the need. There's always toss up calls in a game and for the large part the home team gets them. If the home team happens to be the more agressive of the two teams playing, they may very well net a larger share than just by simply being the home team.

Personally, I'd blame the missed FT by Bell or the moronic and-1 by Nash on Parker with just under a minute remaining that gave San Antonio a lead rather than simply tieing the game. Perhaps the game plays out different had Nash just let Parker go, but that one FT sure looms large now, doesn't it?!

Just a thought. Players play. Referees ref. Players play despite how the referees ref. I guess that's what I'm getting at. 90% of the cases where the refs are charged with "handing another team a win" it's simply not the case.

I'd imagine roughly the same percentage of fans who blame truly don't mean it, but are rather just blowing off steam.

One penny + one penny = two cents... There's mine, take it for what it's worth.

[mikejones99]

Spurs vs Mia, det or Chi in finals?

[JMarkJohns]

Spurs vs Mia, det or Chi in finals?

Cleveland can beat any of those teams on any given night. Not sure about a series, but I think any of the three you mentioned and possibly Cleveland by year's end could be the team to lose to the Spurs...

[milkyway21]

OMG, Dallas lost again.

i just can't believe it. Really!

i wish i hear something from Cuban.

[BeerIsGood!]

So, can I gather that no one else within this thread is tired of flopping? if I can guage the responses, or rather lack thereof, to indicate this, my only question is why do you like flopping? The act itself lends to injury, not just for the flopper (he who flops) or the floppee (he who charges), but, as exampled by Barbosa last year, innocent bystanders as well. I think it's reckless, dangerous and silly and that it's become too much of a defensive staple in too many players games.

I hated it the first time I saw Derek Fisher play and I hate it even more now that a half-dozen players on a team employ the tactic.

I guess I'm alone in my quest - for now - but I figure there will come a day when a star player goes down and goes down hard and for a very long time and everyone's preception of this "defense" changes. It's really a weak way to defend. I know for some it's truly a skill (Bell, Manu, Fisher), but if you went back and counted, I'd bet there's roughly 6-8 offensive fouls called a game with roughly half of those being flops. I think it would help to open the game up more. Perhaps that why Spurs fans dislike it and why I, as a Suns fan, would like it, but overall, I think it lends itself fairly to every team as defenses who almost entirely get by on their ability to draw charges (like Phoenix) would be weakened even more than a defense like San Antonio where it's only one trick of many.

but hey, to each his own...

The flopping has gotten out of control, but unfortunately as long as there is a charging rule in basketball there will be flopping. It is almost impossible for a referee to judge some of these calls as flopping when there are so many things to watch at any given moment.

[BeerIsGood!]

Dallas had a big lead early but completely folded and ended up losing badly to the Clips. Talk about stumbling out of the gate.

[ShoogarBear]

I think the new rules emphasis is cutting down on the number of offensive fouls called, and thus eventually the value of flopping is going to be diminished. My sense over the first few games is that refs are being overall more stringent about needing to be in a good defensive position and being set before they'll call it offensive.

On the other hand, they seem to be calling moving screens more than last year, when it was a complete joke what you could get away with.

I applaud both trends.

[ShoogarBear]

Mavs scored 32 in the first period, then 53 over the next three quarters.

[ctermu]

Yes, I am a Sun's fan. If I remeber correctly the Spurs did not go to the line much last year either. Nash was being bumped like a pin ball tonight and there were questionable offensive fouls on some of our guy's tonight. Mr. Floppy was out of bounds when he threw in the ball at one time and Duncan was on the out of bounds line one time and the refs did not call him out of bounds. Stuff like that adds up eventually. Yes we made stupid mistake at the end but it was a freethrow parade by the Spurs for the same type of fouls that the Spurs comitted on the Suns. We had quite a few points in the paint so that does not mean we just shot outside tonight. Admit it, you would not have been in the game except for the freethrows. Your team shot horribly tonight.
Being "bumped like a pin ball" is not the fault of (nor deserving of fouls from) the Spurs but the result of how Nash goes into the lane. One could argue that it is also Ginobili who gets "bumped like a pinball" whenever he drives into the lane as well. Does that mean they should automatically get the call when they throw their bodies in amongst the big centers and forwards?

The Spurs deserved more free throws than Phoenix with their aggressiveness, their post play, and ball movement which constantly caught Phoenix defenders out of position when shots were taken. The Spurs deserved this win and were not awarded this victory by the referees.

[JMarkJohns]

With Dallas losing, who's terrible start is more surprising? Phoenix (1-4 vs. 2 Clippers, 1 Lakers, 1 Jazz, 1 Spurs) or the Mavs (0-4, 1 Spurs, 1 Rockets, 1 Warriors, 1 Clippers) and which team would you expect to pull out of it. By raw numbers it looks like the Mavericks could be 2-2, having two blowout losses while the Suns have lead in the fourth in every game they've played.

I'd say Dallas is more surprising, but Phoenix has slightly better opportunity to pull out of the funk. Dallas is good, but they went against modern conventional basketball last year by being a very, very good isolation offense-based team. Suns, meanwhile, play a sloppy, but more conventional brand of team ball that, when things are going bad, goes really, really bad, but when things are going good, goes really, really good.

With all the negative I've said about the Suns, I still expect 50+ wins (around 51-57, target of 54). I think their schedule has had as much to do with their record as their issues. They've really played a brutal schedule with their weakest game being Utah, a team that traditionally gives them fits anyways.

Dallas has really only played well in the opener vs. San Antonio.

[T Park]

Thanks TPark, you right wing ho - just kidding.



I assume you say that to all the Neo Cons :)