Real 9-11 Research

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wow, someone is feeling insecure.

When everything is a conspiracy to someone, someone is a conspiratard.

[Nbadan]

Please, explain away your ideas in your own words, be specific.

The evidence I have presented stands on its own

[Nbadan]

Wow, someone is feeling insecure.

When everything is a conspiracy to someone, someone is a conspiratard.

you are part of the problem with groupthink....

[Ef-man]

The evidence I have presented stands on its own

So you have no clue and will only post videos about something you nothing about, got it.

Nice fold when called out, please come again.

[Nbadan]

So you have no clue and will only post videos about something you nothing about, got it.

Nice fold when called out, please come again.

At least Im not burying my head in the sand and pretending to know the truth for which I actually know very little about......don't you see how that makes you look? Does the phrase personal nirvana come to mind?

[ChumpDumper]

More like you have had 20 years to flaunt how wrong you have been. Of course, you know better than a forensic pathologist with years of field experience...oh wait, no you don't...you are as full of shit as those you try to degrade ....and worse because you have let this group think take over Spurs talk political forum...all of you were wrong......just like I told you you would be 20 years ago

you just can't crap on shit because it does not meet your narrative....you actually have to prove you know what the hell you are talking about and in this topic you have failed miserably....
OK, you're making me ask you again: What do you think really happened on 9/11?

[RandomGuy]

Do you ever get tired of being a sycophant to lower tier posters?

You ever get tired of being wrong, and mean-spirited? That has got to wear on the psyche.

[RandomGuy]

More like you have had 20 years to flaunt how wrong you have been. Of course, you know better than a forensic pathologist with years of field experience...oh wait, no you don't...you are as full of shit as those you try to degrade ....and worse because you have let this group think take over Spurs talk political forum...all of you were wrong......just like I told you you would be 20 years ago

you just can't crap on shit because it does not meet your narrative....you actually have to prove you know what the hell you are talking about and in this topic you have failed miserably....

Not going to watch an hour plus video. Summary?

[RandomGuy]

I think the next thing we need to examine is how Chump, RG, and others could be so wrong on WTC7 and what else have they been tragically wrong about in these past years but bullied everyone into buying into their fabricated "stories"....

This is a serious problem of credibility

The problem of credibility is your and these asshats, who year after year, make assertions without providing much proof.

Skimmed the videos to get a general sense of what this guy is trying to say, and he basically has "the NIST got the mechanism of collapse wrong".

I looked for any report, or peer review of what he has written.

Are either available?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The problem of credibility is your and these asshats, who year after year, make assertions without providing much proof.

Skimmed the videos to get a general sense of what this guy is trying to say, and he basically has "the NIST got the mechanism of collapse wrong".

I looked for any report, or peer review of what he has written.

Are either available?

When you look at the mechanisms that would have to have been put in place to fake the moon landing, 9/11, lack of aliens, fed as evil empire or any of the other conspiratard takes he comes with it becomes how obviously full of shit they are.

[ChumpDumper]

Not going to watch an hour plus video. Summary?"Muh model isn't the same as the NIST model.

"

[Nbadan]

When you look at the mechanisms that would have to have been put in place to fake the moon landing, 9/11, lack of aliens, fed as evil empire or any of the other conspiratard takes he comes with it becomes how obviously full of shit they are.

...but as we are finding out with UFOs, the government has its handymen, like you, do it's legwork for them and then when things go sideways you just bury your head in the sand and refuse to look at evidence

[Nbadan]

"Muh model isn't the same as the NIST model.

"

Whaaa...an hour long video

[Nbadan]

Chumpy, RG Fuzzy all the same characters....cant handle that a forensic pathologists with Tenure, a Lariat in his field, this guy grades stuff like the NIST report says that there is no way fire brought down WTC7...but they are TOO BUSY...to watch the proof....kinda tells you all you need to know about how these guys research stuff they peddle here

[Ef-man]

...but as we are finding out with UFOs, the government has its handymen, like you, do it's legwork for them and then when things go sideways you just bury your head in the sand and refuse to look at evidence

What we are finding out about UFOs is that no one with first hand proof of alien craft in possession of the government has shown up.

Only second hand shit about someone said or I read has been provided.

Try again retard.

As far as the video, your expert has provided no argument as to what caused the fall of the World Trade Towers, so try again, as only viable reality are fires from plane crashes.

[ChumpDumper]

Whaaa...an hour long video
I watched it. It's what he says. He has his model. It's different from NIST's model. I don't think either model could possibly recreate the conditions of that day. Do you?

Chumpy, RG Fuzzy all the same characters....cant handle that a forensic pathologists with Tenure, a Lariat in his field, this guy grades stuff like the NIST report says that there is no way fire brought down WTC7...but they are TOO BUSY...to watch the proof....kinda tells you all you need to know about how these guys research stuff they peddle here

What do you say really happened to WTC7, dan?

Let's discuss your theory.

Don't be a chickenshit after 20 years.

Step up. Claim your legacy.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

...but as we are finding out with UFOs, the government has its handymen, like you, do it's legwork for them and then when things go sideways you just bury your head in the sand and refuse to look at evidence

And just lie with Christians, you are pointless to discuss things with because you take all this on faith.

:lol international shadow cabal controlling everything
:lol magic sky man controlling everything

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Chumpy, RG Fuzzy all the same characters....cant handle that a forensic pathologists with Tenure, a Lariat in his field, this guy grades stuff like the NIST report says that there is no way fire brought down WTC7...but they are TOO BUSY...to watch the proof....kinda tells you all you need to know about how these guys research stuff they peddle here

You do not remember but I entertained and even agreed with some of the NIST criticism. I tried to explain how the modeling was done and you reverted to your shadow cabal any time there was uncertainty.

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You do not remember but I entertained and even agreed with some of the NIST criticism. I tried to explain how the modeling was done and you reverted to your shadow cabal any time there was uncertainty.

Bend over. I'll give ya a fuckin' cabal.

[Nbadan]

You do not remember but I entertained and even agreed with some of the NIST criticism. I tried to explain how the modeling was done and you reverted to your shadow cabal any time there was uncertainty.

Only in Fuzzy land is a Forensic Pathologists Lauret who has testified before every organization investigating 911 "a shadow cabal"...this was never about finding the truth....it was about entertaining your ego

[Nbadan]

:lol still trying

None of your conspiracy theories ever made sense.

You had 20 years and you failed.

I didn't fail....NIST failed

[Nbadan]

:lol still trying

None of your conspiracy theories ever made sense.

You had 20 years and you failed.

No need to disect what happened....only prove that WTC7 was not brought down by fire and the story collapses

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Only in Fuzzy land is a Forensic Pathologists Lauret who has testified before every organization investigating 911 "a shadow cabal"...this was never about finding the truth....it was about entertaining your ego

Again I know how you define your God of the gaps. Nice irony about the ego comment btw.

[Nbadan]

I've been saying for 20 years...the key to disproving the official 911 narrative is WTC7.

[ChumpDumper]

I didn't fail....NIST failed


No need to disect what happened....only prove that WTC7 was not brought down by fire and the story collapses


I've been saying for 20 years...the key to disproving the official 911 narrative is WTC7.

:lol Your entire legacy depends on proving a negative.

Sorry, that's not how anything works in real life.

You believe something else happened.

What happened?

You have to present an alternative conspiracy theory that is actually plausible and possible.

This is your final and complete failure, dan -- you can't even think of how anything else could have happened.

You had 20 years, You did nothing.

[Nbadan]

:lol Your entire legacy depends on proving a negative.

Sorry, that's not how anything works in real life.

You believe something else happened.

What happened?

You have to present an alternative conspiracy theory that is actually plausible and possible.

This is your final and complete failure, dan -- you can't even think of how anything else could have happened.

You had 20 years, You did nothing.

Sure we did. We have proven using peer review, actual modeling not the weak NISt model, and the scientific method that fire did not bring down WTC. That is very significant.

[ChumpDumper]

Sure we did. We have proven using peer review and the scientific model that fire did not bring down WTC7 That is very significant.
Nah, you didn't.

What do you say really happened to WTC7 and why?

It's been over 20 years. Step up for once.

[Nbadan]

Nah, you didn't.

What do you say really happened to WTC7 and why?

It's been over 20 years. Step up for once.

There needs to be an investigation to find out what really happened. All we know right now, is that the NIST model was wrong.

[ChumpDumper]

There needs to be an investigation to find out what really happened. All we know right now, is that the NIST model was wrong.

No, no, no -- that's not good enough, dan.

After 20 years, you need an alternative narrative about how and why WTC7 came down.

Something possible and plausible.

What is your narrative?

[Nbadan]

No, no, no -- that's not good enough, dan.

After 20 years, you need an alternative narrative about how and why WTC7 came down.

Something possible and plausible.

What is your narrative?

idk but lets see what we do know........if WTC7 was not brought down by fire as proven....then there was a larger conspiracy than the current narrative

[ChumpDumper]

idk Then you're done here. See you in 20 years.

[Nbadan]

Then you're done here. See you in 20 years.

no conspiracy is bullproof....you know that Chuck....this is starting to unravel after only 22 years. They have kept the fact that we have made alien contact secret since the 40s

[ChumpDumper]

no conspiracy is bullproof....you know that Chuck....this is starting to unravel after only 22 years.It's not. You nuts have not given anyone anything else in which to believe. You don't even think anything other than the generally accepted narrative is possible or plausible -- otherwise you would have presented an alternative narrative. All you have is your ego which cannot accept your abject failure here.

You were wrong. TSA was a big boy and admitted it in one instance. You probably will never be that self-aware.

[Nbadan]

you live in a shell of your own maklng...


A poll taken by WorldPublicOpinion.org, a collaborative project of research centers in various countries managed by the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, College Park, polled 16,063 people in 17 nations outside of the United States during the summer of 2008. They found that majorities in only 9 of the 17 countries believe al-Qaeda carried out the attacks.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polls_about_9/11_conspiracy_theories

Public opinion sure seems to be with me

[ChumpDumper]

you live in a shell of your own maklng...



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polls_about_9/11_conspiracy_theoriesGreat. Do any of them have a possible and plausible alternative narrative?

Is there even one alternative narrative after 22 years?

Post a link to it.

[Nbadan]

The third major Zogby poll regarding 9/11 was conducted in August 2007. It was a telephone interview with a target of 1,000 interviews with randomly selected adults from across the United States, consisting of 71 questions, with a 3.1 percent margin of error.[6]

The results of the 2007 August poll indicate that 51 percent of Americans want the United States Congress to probe President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney regarding the 9/11 attacks and over 30 percent of those polled seek immediate impeachment. While only 32 percent seek immediate impeachment of Bush and/or Cheney based on their personal knowledge, many citizens appear eager for clear exposure of the facts.

In addition, the poll also found that two-thirds (67 percent) of Americans say the 9/11 Commission should have investigated the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7. Only 4.8 percent of the respondents agreed that members of the U.S. government "actively planned or assisted some aspects of the attack."

Give it up......you lost

you where wrong.... now be a man and admit it

[ChumpDumper]

I don't see an alternative narrative in there.

Is there really nothing?:lol

You completely lack the imagination and knowledge to formulate an alternative narrative after two decades?

:rollin

[Nbadan]

I don't see an alternative narrative in there.

Is there really nothing?:lol

You completely lack the imagination and knowledge to formulate an alternative narrative after two decades?

:rollin

reaching......i don't need an alternative.

[ChumpDumper]

reaching......i don't need an alternative.After 20 years, you absolutely do. If there is no alternative, there is only the official narrative.

This is why you lost.

[Nbadan]

After 20 years, you absolutely do. If there is no alternative, there is only the official narrative.

This is why you lost.

you don't get it....I didn't lose...we all lost....we all bought into a bogus story created by those who likely perpetuated the crime

[Nbadan]

chuck won't bother to read it but you can....

A structural reevaluation of WTC7
https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/draft-small-uaf_wtc7_draft_report_09-03-2019-pdf.40025/

[ChumpDumper]

you don't get it....I didn't lose...we all lost....we all bought into a bogus story created by those who likely perpetuated the crime
Nah, You lost because you can't even tell me a narrative you believe after 20 years.

chuck won't bother to read it but you can....

A structural reevaluation of WTC7
https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/draft-small-uaf_wtc7_draft_report_09-03-2019-pdf.40025/
What is their possible and plausible alternative narrative about how WTC7 fell?

And who is Chuck?

[Nbadan]

https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/metabunk-2020-03-25-12-18-48-jpg.40032/


yada yada yada.....nothing to see here folks...move along

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/metabunk-2020-03-25-12-18-48-jpg.40032/


yada yada yada.....nothing to see here folks...move along

Yeah, there really isn't anything to see since you have nothing after 20 years.

[Nbadan]

WTC7 analysis video...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC0yAq2eUFQ

[ChumpDumper]

WTC7 analysis video...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC0yAq2eUFQ


Do they say what they think really happened to WTC7?

[pgardn]

no conspiracy is bullproof....you know that Chuck....this is starting to unravel after only 22 years. They have kept the fact that we have made alien contact secret since the 40s

Is the bolded a joke?

Contact with an alien what? Contact? Like we communicated or we saw something alive from a place other than the earth? If this is not a joke id love to see the report.
A craft or lights we cannot id does not mean we have made alien contact. If you are saying we encountered something we cannot yet explain and call that “alien” that’s very different.

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Do they say what they think really happened to WTC7?

No, and they never will. But, that's okay, because (they) say so.

[pgardn]

Jesus… I read the rest…

There is a huge step in going from, “not a fire” to “someone else brought it down”
Wow…

[Nbadan]

Jesus… I read the rest…

There is a huge step in going from, “not a fire” to “someone else brought it down”
Wow…

The Professors research does not go into anything else other than...did WTC7 collapse because of fire.....and the answer is absolutely, unequivocable NO...

....but he did use models to re-create what it would have taken for the building to collapse in the way that they did, and that would have required a much more involved conspiracy

[ChumpDumper]

The Professors research does not go into anything else other than...did WTC7 collapse because of fire.....and the answer is absolutely, unequivocable NO...

....but he did use models to re-create what it would have taken for the building to collapse in the way that they did, and that would have required a much more involved conspiracy

Like what?

And how?

And why?

[Nbadan]

Like what?

And how?

And why?

you're special aren't you?

[ChumpDumper]

you're special aren't you?You aren't going to answer any questions, are you?

Why can't I just ask questions?

You did for 20 years.

[RandomGuy]

The Professors research does not go into anything else other than...did WTC7 collapse because of fire.....and the answer is absolutely, unequivocable NO...

....but he did use models to re-create what it would have taken for the building to collapse in the way that they did, and that would have required a much more involved conspiracy

:lmao

submit it for peer review. love to see it.

[Nbadan]

:lmao

submit it for peer review. love to see it.

Peer review? The Professor has testified at every hearing since the 911 commission.

He peer reviewed the 911 commission report at gave it a F. If one of his grad students submitted the lousy work NIST put out, he would have failed them

[ChumpDumper]

Peer review? The Professor has testified at every hearing since the 911 commission.

He peer reviewed the 911 commission report at gave it a F. If one of his grad students submitted the lousy work NIST put out, he would have failed them

Who has peer reviewed him?

[Nbadan]

Who has peer reviewed him?

Everyone

[ChumpDumper]

Everyone

Great. Show the list that peer reviewed his WTC7 paper.

[RandomGuy]

Peer review? The Professor has testified at every hearing since the 911 commission.

He peer reviewed the 911 commission report at gave it a F. If one of his grad students submitted the lousy work NIST put out, he would have failed them

so, no his work hasn't been peer reviewed. I lack the expertise to judge either way.

No peer review, it gets tossed in the pile of meh.

[FrostKing]

There are legal drinking adults that weren't alive for 9/11. It's a fading event. I remember being in High School.


IMO, Bushie was used as toy piece for the attacks & subsequent retaliation. I won't go as far as to say prominent Americans planned it but they turned the other cheek and they underestimated the plan/damage.

[FrostKing]

9/11 remains my lifetime mindfuck. Nothing else comes close. There are so many questions.

Hated the Saudis ever since.

Imagine the West coming together to Crusade those arrogant boys today. Our ancestors sold their belongs and boarded boats to foreign lands for less

[Nbadan]

so, no his work hasn't been peer reviewed. I lack the expertise to judge either way.

No peer review, it gets tossed in the pile of meh.

You've been wrong for twenty something years....just like I told you you were. you'll never admit it though cause you are still hard headed

https://www.mdpi.com/2304-6775/5/2/16

[Nbadan]

Anyone interested in real 911 research and Dr. Henley's work can read the reddit forum

https://www.reddit.com/r/engineering/comments/71yw9v/nist_versus_dr_leroy_hulsey_911_megathread/

[Nbadan]

Why are RG and NIST lying?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IegkDCBJxjY

[Nbadan]

9/11 remains my lifetime mindfuck. Nothing else comes close. There are so many questions.

Hated the Saudis ever since.

Imagine the West coming together to Crusade those arrogant boys today. Our ancestors sold their belongs and boarded boats to foreign lands for less

for some it was conspiracies around Pearl Harbor, then JFK, then 911, then Jan 6th. These are all great conspiracies but 911 is provable there is just no political will to bring up the past

[ChumpDumper]

You've been wrong for twenty something years....just like I told you you were. you'll never admit it though cause you are still hard headed

https://www.mdpi.com/2304-6775/5/2/16


Anyone interested in real 911 research and Dr. Henley's work can read the reddit forum

https://www.reddit.com/r/engineering/comments/71yw9v/nist_versus_dr_leroy_hulsey_911_megathread/


Why are RG and NIST lying?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IegkDCBJxjY


for some it was conspiracies around Pearl Harbor, then JFK, then 911, then Jan 6th. These are all great conspiracies but 911 is provable there is just no political will to bring up the past

What do you say really happened on 9/11?

Post your narrative. You've had twenty years.

Or fold like you have every time you've been asked the last twenty years. :lol

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What do you say really happened on 9/11?

Post your narrative. You've had twenty years.

Or fold like you have every time you've been asked the last twenty years. :lol

The shifting about of insurance riders/carriers in the days///hours before the attack is apparent. But you're never going to get the truth as we can't in the JFK assassination...and a score of other (events).

(We) act like we're so much better than Russia is...it's a GD laugh...we ain't shit.

[RandomGuy]

You've been wrong for twenty something years....just like I told you you were. you'll never admit it though cause you are still hard headed

https://www.mdpi.com/2304-6775/5/2/16

I have simple yet to see sufficient evidence for any controlled demolition. It is a dumb idea, that would require a massive conspiracy to carry off, the kind that humans suck at keeping secret.

The best you have come up with is "the exact mechanism of the collapse of this one building appears to be different than the NIST came up with" Even if I grant that, it doesn't prove your theory.

You have a poor standard of evidence, and are driven by confirmation bias.