Nash: Suns Better, Deeper Than Last Year

[DannyB]

Go suck FaggyB's mushroom stamp Mono.

[FaggyB]

A-fucking-men. There's always been some flopping in the NBA, but Manu's the father of the new soccer flop currently infecting the NBA.
It must earn ratings, since our beloved Suns do it so much, and we are the annual winners of the Ratings Championship.

[FaggyB]

DannyB you are a disgrace to mankind.
I love having balls on my face.

[Johnny RIngo]

A-fucking-men. There's always been some flopping in the NBA, but Manu's the father of the new soccer flop currently infecting the NBA.

Laimbeer, Stockton, Rodman, Vlade, Derek Fisher, etc

Nash and Raja have done a good job promoting flopping on the defensive end though.

[Mister Sinister]

I'm guessing DannyB is anxiously awaiting the sequel to 2 Girls, 1 Cup.
You, sir, are a horrid, depraved individual for mentioning that vile, repugnant piece of depravity.

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[RonMexico]

:lmao @ Roman Helmet avatar pic

Mono, I think you need to get rid of your Patriots avatar and sig. pic. You can't openly cheer for a team that is most like the Spurs of the NFL. Once we find out the Spurs have been stealing plays, the Mavs and Suns fans will have a field day. In fact, Mark Cuban might pop a blood vessel in his brain.

[DannyB]

It must earn ratings, since our beloved Suns do it so much, and we are the annual winners of the Ratings Championship.

Fuck you thumb-dick. Find where I EVER placed ratings over anything. Just STFU if you can't find something relevant to criticize me for.

[DannyB]

Laimbeer, Stockton, Rodman, Vlade, Derek Fisher, etc

Nash and Raja have done a good job promoting flopping on the defensive end though.

Nash & Raja? What-the-fuck-ever. I guess if, to you, charges taken = flops. But you should give the credit where it's really due: European players with their exaggerated soccer flops (i.e. Manu).

[Walter Craparita]

Manu gets a free pass because he runs into trains on the other end every single game.

[Kriz-Maxima]

Nash & Raja? What-the-fuck-ever. I guess if, to you, charges taken = flops. But you should give the credit where it's really due: European players with their exaggerated soccer flops (i.e. Manu).


Isn't manu from argentina?

[td4mvp21]

Isn't manu from argentina?

Yep, that's why you shouldn't expect anything intelligent to come out of DannyB's mouth.

[monosylab1k]

Yep, that's why you shouldn't expect anything intelligent to come out of DannyB's mouth.
:lmao

[monosylab1k]

Fuck you thumb-dick.
I don't think Keats would approve of this.

[RonMexico]

Isn't manu from argentina?

I thought he played in Europe before the NBA, but I could be wrong... he may have just played in South America.

Either way, I guess we should classify it as players from any country where soccer is the most popular sport are huge pussies.

[Kriz-Maxima]

Funny that you would say that, isnt Nash a huge soccer fan who spends his summers playing the game?

[anakha]

I thought he played in Europe before the NBA, but I could be wrong... he may have just played in South America.

Either way, I guess we should classify it as players from any country where soccer is the most popular sport are huge pussies.

That might be a dangerous line of thought you're taking there... isn't Nash a soccer fan?

Just saying. :p:

EDIT: Dammit, beat out again! Curse you Maxima! :lol

[Extra Stout]

Mono, I think you need to get rid of your Patriots avatar and sig. pic. You can't openly cheer for a team that is most like the Spurs of the NFL. Once we find out the Spurs have been stealing plays, the Mavs and Suns fans will have a field day. In fact, Mark Cuban might pop a blood vessel in his brain.
Did you know the Spurs have analyzed every single play other teams run? They used to review them on game day, but everybody has them memorized now, so they just go over flash cards during pre-game.

[Johnny RIngo]

Nash's soccer moves came in handy when he clipped Felton with that dirty move. So let's total all of all Stevie Boy's traits:

-No defense
-Flops like a bitch
-Hurts people.
-Whines after every playoff loss

All in all, he's fucking dirty Canadian. I'd take Chris Paul or DWilliams over this scumbag any day of the week.

[Extra Stout]

I thought he played in Europe before the NBA, but I could be wrong... he may have just played in South America.

Either way, I guess we should classify it as players from any country where soccer is the most popular sport are huge pussies.
You are quite the expert on NBA matters. You have Manu's bio positively nailed.

It takes a lot to admit that several members of your own favorite team are huge pussies. And since your coach played over there, I guess he gets thrown in too.

Both you've made a false correlation. Diaw, Barbosa, D'Antoni, even huge soccer fan Nash, aren't pussies because they are from Europe or other soccer-crazed nations, nor because they played in Europe. It's because they've donned the purple and orange of the Suns, and have taken on the milquetoast, whining Cali-wannabe, runt-of-the-litter persona of the city in which they play.

[yourcheatinheart]

I'm guessing DannyB is anxiously awaiting the sequel to 2 Girls, 1 Cup.

:vomit:

[Extra Stout]

The Spurs somehow have managed not to adopt the persona of the city in which they play -- at least I think not.

Do any of the Spurs have Type 2 diabetes?

[ShoogarBear]

The Spurs somehow have managed not to adopt the persona of the city in which they play -- at least I think not.

Do any of the Spurs have Type 2 diabetes?Not since Beno got traded.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

You are quite the expert on NBA matters. You have Manu's bio positively nailed.

It takes a lot to admit that several members of your own favorite team are huge pussies. And since your coach played over there, I guess he gets thrown in too.

Both you've made a false correlation. Diaw, Barbosa, D'Antoni, even huge soccer fan Nash, aren't pussies because they are from Europe or other soccer-crazed nations, nor because they played in Europe. It's because they've donned the purple and orange of the Suns, and have taken on the milquetoast, whining Cali-wannabe, runt-of-the-litter persona of the city in which they play.

Don't get Scottsdale confused with the rest of the city. We try to keep those motherfuckers sequestered.

And Nash, or Raja, or Manu, or whomever who flops doesn't do it because they're a pussy. They do it because it helps there team and they don't give a fuck what impression it sends out to the fans and the media.

[RonMexico]

Funny that you would say that, isnt Nash a huge soccer fan who spends his summers playing the game?

Yes, but the most popular sport in his country is hockey, not soccer. (Remember, I said players who are from countries where the most popular sport is soccer, not where soccer is their favorite sport.) I guess by my original assessment, Nash was trained not to be a pussy by watching hockey players (a sport he also enjoys).

And Extra Stout, D'Antoni is from America, Barbosa has been a pussy in the playoffs and Diaw eats in the offseason like he has a pussy.

[RonMexico]

The Spurs somehow have managed not to adopt the persona of the city in which they play -- at least I think not.

Do any of the Spurs have Type 2 diabetes?

Hmmm... they're arrogant and whine a lot, so it looks like they have. However, most of them are in this country legally, so...

[stretch]

Fuck you thumb-dick. Find where I EVER placed ratings over anything. Just STFU if you can't find something relevant to criticize me for.

I dunno. This isn't exactly talking about ratings, but its as close as it gets. Either way, it is an absolutely retarded and ignorant statement, which has become a regular thing these days with you...


Jealousy? Screw the Spurs. I'd quit watching basketball if the Suns were like the Spurs, even with the championships. I'm not jealous of anything about the Spurs. If the only way to win the championship is to manhandle opponents with a boring bunch of cheapshot artists and hacks, then I don't want the Suns to win one. Screw the Spurs.

:dizzy

[da_suns_fan__]

I dunno. This isn't exactly talking about ratings, but its as close as it gets. Either way, it is an absolutely retarded and ignorant statement, which has become a regular thing these days with you...



:dizzy


I'll talk about ratings...

The Spurs don't get any. Its bad for basketball. Theyre just as slow as they've ever been (see below) and for the sake of the game, I hope the Suns make it to the finals...

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats?sort=pac&league=nba

Boston is the hot story in the league right now, and a Suns/Boston matchup would be an excellent matchup. Dan Bickley wrote an interesting blog about it recently:
Celtics take spotlight off Suns


The Suns still are a thrill ride, still among the NBA elite. But they have lost their spot on the marquee.

It's the year of green, and the Boston Celtics are the latest basketball craze.

"We had to get through a lot of hell and a lot of pain to get to this point, believe me," said Danny Ainge, the Celtics' executive director of basketball operations.

Now, there's no reason to be offended by this apparent shift in national sentiment. The Suns' frenetic style of basketball still is immensely popular, even though Grant Hill shooting three-pointers can't be all that good for ratings.

It's simply that the magnetic attraction of a storied franchise finally waking up is powerful, compelling stuff.

Remember, the Celtics bring more to the table than most teams. They bring ghosts, echoes and a multitude of fans who have been hiding under shamrocks for nearly two decades, since Len Bias died and Michael Jordan took over the league.

"The energy and the excitement in Boston is unbelievable," Ainge said. "People are talking about the Celtics during the World Series, even as the Patriots are running the table. We're back on the map."

Yes, the Celtics are 6-0, the last unbeaten team left. It's just what the NBA needed in a time of public-relations crisis over officiating.

Face it. The Celtics are like the Yankees, a team whose championship banners set the bar for everybody else. They are also like the Green Bay Packers. When they are good and relevant, it's great for league business. Why, surely you remember the choice we all had to make back in the day, the one between Larry's Celtics and Magic's Lakers.

This story gets even better because of the irrepressible Ainge, always brash, always bold, always a talking point wherever he goes. And in the past few years, Bostonians began to turn on him.

Though promisingly successful as head coach of the Suns (before abruptly leaving his post), Ainge's stewardship of the Celtics seemed haphazard and going nowhere. There also were well-publicized rifts with forward Antoine Walker and former coach Jim O'Brien, and until this season, the bottom line was a mess:

Since taking the job in May 2003, Ainge's teams have won 36, 45, 33 and 24 games.

But the late, great Red Auerbach never stopped believing in the former Celtics and Suns star, and it all came together this past summer, when Ainge wrapped up Executive of the Year honors before the season began.

With Paul Pierce screaming for help in the background, Ainge pulled off a trade for veteran sharpshooter Ray Allen. He bartered with the Suns over Shawn Marion, whose agent reportedly nixed the deal, one that could have brought Kevin Garnett to Phoenix. And then Ainge landed Garnett himself, sending tremors through the NBA and instantly electrifying basketball fans in Beantown, who gorged on the idea of Ainge fleecing Kevin McHale (former Celtics star now running the Timberwolves) and receiving a congratulatory call from Larry Bird (now working for the Pacers).

"You know, I just love the sports world," Ainge said. "I've been involved in it my whole life, and I knew coming into Boston that if we weren't prepared to win that there were going to be some tough times ahead for me, my coach, ownership, for everybody. But there are some things you can't tell the fans. You can't always give them all the information on what the plan is. I'm just glad that management and ownership was able to stay on the same page through all of this, through the media criticism and criticism from the fans."

Now Ainge is threatening to become as popular in Boston as Curt Schilling. Ainge has three great players who have bought into this Kelly green dream team, the rebirth of a great franchise. After all, the trio of Garnett, Pierce and Allen has won nothing of consequence in the NBA. Each of the three has been on more All-Star teams than playoff teams, and none has been to the NBA Finals without a ticket.

Yet put them together, throw in a dose of bench/comic relief from Eddie House, and the Celtics have gone from a team that hasn't won a playoff series since 2003 to a championship contender overnight. It has been the perfect storm in the perfect city, and with the recent troubles that have befallen the Knicks and the 76ers, it's nice that the East Coast finally has a heavyweight basketball team for which to cheer.

"It's done more than we even expected, and we expected a lot," Ainge said. "The Celtics have such a rich tradition, and there are so many people over the globe who grew up being Celtics fans and kind of lost interest in the team. We have rekindled that spirit."

In the process, they have taken away some of the Suns' shine, some of their national sentiment. And given Ainge's ties to both organizations, it would be only fitting if these teams could meet in June, for a title that really mattered.

"We'd love to play anybody in the Finals," Ainge said.

We know the feeling.

Dallas doesn't deserve to be metioned as a contender at this point as theyve shown the past couple of seasons they simply don't have mental toughness to overcome the slightest bit of adversity.

[stretch]

I'll talk about ratings...

The Spurs don't get any. Its bad for basketball. Theyre just as slow as they've ever been (see below) and for the sake of the game, I hope the Suns make it to the finals...

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats?sort=pac&league=nba

Boston is the hot story in the league right now, and a Suns/Boston matchup would be an excellent matchup. Dan Bickley wrote an interesting blog about it recently:
Celtics take spotlight off Suns

That's great, but writing articles praising how the Suns are so "fun" to watch doesnt help the Suns get any rings. On the other hand, defense and rebounding does. Perhaps they should get busy writing articles about that and sending them to Mike D'Antoni if they want them to win a ring so fucking badly.


Dallas doesn't deserve to be metioned as a contender at this point as theyve shown the past couple of seasons they simply don't have mental toughness to overcome the slightest bit of adversity.

You mean to tell me that the Suns have? Last I checked, they haven't gotten any father than the Mavericks have the past few seasons. They have had the exact same outcome... early playoff exits and no championships.

BTW - You forgot to put apostrophes in "they're" and "they've." I put them in red and increased the font size on your errors to make sure you saw them, so that you can improve next time. But for now, you fail, both at simple english, and at debating basketball.

[Walter Craparita]

Ducan KG
Bowen Allen
Parker Pierce
Ginobili

Can it get any better than that...

[Findog]

I'll talk about ratings...

Cause you have nothing else to talk about.






Dallas doesn't deserve to be metioned as a contender at this point as theyve shown the past couple of seasons they simply don't have mental toughness to overcome the slightest bit of adversity

Then neither do 27 other teams, including Phoenix. Lot of resilliency they showed in overcoming the suspensions to win a game on the Spurs floor instead of whining like a bunch of crybaby bitches. Oh wait...Also, you're missing an "n" in mentioned.

[da_suns_fan__]

Ducan KG
Bowen Allen
Parker Pierce
Ginobili

Can it get any better than that...

How about the Celtics vs. ANYONE.

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Oh wait...Also, you're missing an "n" in mentioned.

Ah thank you, I knew I was missing something.

[da_suns_fan__]

You mean to tell me that the Suns have? Last I checked, they haven't gotten any father than the Mavericks have the past few seasons. They have had the exact same outcome... early playoff exits and no championships.


You must have missed last season. Or maybe you just erased it from your memory. Can't blame ya there!!! :lol

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How about the Celtics vs. ANYONE.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4/vsf3000/shutthefup.gif

[Findog]

Ah thank you, I knew I was missing something.

Poor da_suns_fan, has to resort to grammar/typo smack, and he even gets owned there.

[stretch]

You must have missed last season. Or maybe you just erased it from your memory. Can't blame ya there!!! :lol
Ummm... no... last I checked... early playoff exit... no championship... It's the same.

[stretch]

Poor da_suns_fan, has to resort to grammar/typo smack, and he even gets owned there.
I wouldn't feel sorry for that little fucker. He picked fights that he couldn't win. Now he has to pay for his mistakes. It's the only way he will learn.

[da_suns_fan__]

Ummm... no... last I checked... early playoff exit... no championship... It's the same.

I see....well "both teams failed to win the championship" is not the same as "the Suns haven't gotten farther than the Mavs the last couple of years".


Too easy. What else ya got?

[Findog]

You must have missed last season. Or maybe you just erased it from your memory. Can't blame ya there!!! :lol

Mavs have made a Finals with their current core, the Suns haven't. Mavs have beaten a defending champion with their current core, the Suns haven't. Congratulations on beating the LA teams in the playoffs though, very impressive. And congratulations on getting good ratings.

[stretch]

I see....well "both teams failed to win the championship" is not the same as "the Suns haven't gotten farther than the Mavs the last couple of years".


Too easy. What else ya got?
Failing to win the championship means you lost. They both lost. Are you really that stupid?

[da_suns_fan__]

Failing to win the championship means you lost. They both lost. Are you really that stupid?

Dumbass. I just owned you and you know it!

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[da_suns_fan__]

Or would you like to repeat how the Suns didn't get farther than the Mavericks last year?

GO WARRIORS!!!

[stretch]

Dumbass. I just owned you and you know it!

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
:wtf

How did you own me?

[Findog]

I see....well "both teams failed to win the championship" is not the same as "the Suns haven't gotten farther than the Mavs the last couple of years".


Too easy. What else ya got?

Both teams have won exactly three playoff series in the last two years. Mavs made a Finals, beat the Spurs, beat the Suns head to head. I'd say that body of work eclipses that of the Suns. Both teams have ultimately fallen short of their goals. If it helps you sleep better at night and comforts you that the Suns beat the Lakers last year, so be it. It's nothing more to brag about than what Dallas has or hasn't done.

[da_suns_fan__]

Getting back to ratings talk....is there anyone out there who doesn't think a Suns vs. Celtics matchup would be great for the league?

Nash and Garnett. Both MVPs. Both players who never back down from a challenge and play with tons of heart. Both going after that elusive championship.

What a story it will be.

Go Suns!

[stretch]

Or would you like to repeat how the Suns didn't get farther than the Mavericks last year?

GO WARRIORS!!!
They really didn't. Both teams made the playoffs, and came up short of the championship. Like a "wise" man once said... "It don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile... winning is winning!"

It goes both ways... It doesn't matter if you lose in the first round, second round, or third round... you lost.

[da_suns_fan__]

I picture a USA Today cover with a split image of KG and Nash.

Wow...goosebumps.

[stretch]

Getting back to ratings talk....is there anyone out there who doesn't think a Suns vs. Celtics matchup would be great for the league?

Nash and Garnett. Both MVPs. Both players who never back down from a challenge and play with tons of heart. Both going after that elusive championship.

What a story it will be.

Go Suns!
I think a Lakers vs. Celtics would be better for the league.

[Findog]

Or would you like to repeat how the Suns didn't get farther than the Mavericks last year?

GO WARRIORS!!!

Who cares? You went one round further and got beat by a better team. You had an easier first-round opponent than we did. Arguing about who is the better loser is retarded, but it's no surprise you're clinging to this argument. If it comforts you, the Suns embarrassed themselves slightly less than the Mavs did last year. Doesn't mean they're closer to a title than Dallas.

[da_suns_fan__]

They really didn't. Both teams made the playoffs, and came up short of the championship. Like a "wise" man once said... "It don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile... winning is winning!"

It goes both ways... It doesn't matter if you lose in the first round, second round, or third round... you lost.


Let it go man, you lost this one. If you really believe this, then we should just remove the word "farther" from the dictionary all together. If the Suns didn't get "farther" than the Mavs last year, then there is no use for this word in the English language.

Back to Celtics/Suns matchup, these two teams produced "The greatest game ever played" back in 76. Think they could top it this year?

[Findog]

Getting back to ratings talk....is there anyone out there who doesn't think a Suns vs. Celtics matchup would be great for the league?

Nash and Garnett. Both MVPs. Both players who never back down from a challenge and play with tons of heart. Both going after that elusive championship.

What a story it will be.

Go Suns!

I had to recheck the post count to make sure this wasn't the parody da_suns_fan. Nope, it's the real thing.

[da_suns_fan__]

I think a Lakers vs. Celtics would be better for the league.

Probably, but I think Kobe and the Lakers have lost some of their magic....and people love Nash.

Wow....I hope it happens.

Go Suns.

[da_suns_fan__]

I had to recheck the post count to make sure this wasn't the parody da_suns_fan. Nope, it's the real thing.

You guys wanted to talk about ratings....now youre getting upset?

A marquee matchup of Suns and Celtics would be great for the league.

There's no denying that. Its a FACT. And looking at the current status of the league, I'd say we should all be praying that it happens.

[stretch]

Let it go man, you lost this one. If you really believe this, then we should just remove the word "farther" from the dictionary all together. If the Suns didn't get "farther" than the Mavs last year, then there is no use for this word in the English language.

Advancing one more round does not mean anything. Hell the Cavaliers made it farther than the Suns, so I guess they are a much better team than the Suns, are they not? According to your logic anyways...

The fact is, there are always different circumstances that face all teams, but if you don't win a championship, nothing else matters, other than the fact that you lost, and need to improve next year in order to win it all.

[stretch]

Probably, but I think Kobe and the Lakers have lost some of their magic....and people love Nash.

Wow....I hope it happens.

Go Suns.
lol, no defense and rebounding

[Findog]

Let it go man, you lost this one. If you really believe this, then we should just remove the word "farther" from the dictionary all together. If the Suns didn't get "farther" than the Mavs last year, then there is no use for this word in the English language.


The point that you can't seem to grasp is that it's a meaningless distinction. Both teams came up way short of their goals. It's kind of like bragging that you're friend is bald, fat and stupid while you're only bald and fat. The "stupid" part is a subjective judgment, just like the assessment of how "embarassing" it was for the Mavs to lose in the way they did. At the end of the day, both the Mavs and Suns are bald and fat losers compared to the Spurs.

I'd like to hear an argument though on how the Suns are going to beat the Spurs this year, or how Grant Hill is going to hold up playing 40 minutes per game already in November, or how the Suns plan to guard opposing bigs that doesn't involve Sean Marks or Brian Skinner, etc. Both teams have their question marks and have earned their doubters. If you want to keep arguing that the Suns are the better "runner up," it just shows you're happy with ratings and second-place. There are four elite teams in the League now with the emergence of Boston. You're just drawing meaningless distinctions between two of those four teams.

[da_suns_fan__]

Advancing one more round does not mean anything. Hell the Cavaliers made it farther than the Suns, so I guess they are a much better team than the Suns, are they not? According to your logic anyways...

The fact is, there are always different circumstances that face all teams, but if you don't win a championship, nothing else matters, other than the fact that you lost, and need to improve next year in order to win it all.

I would never say that the Cavs didn't get farther than the Suns last year.

They did. I agree that this doesn't mean that the Cavs are better than Suns, but you claimed the Suns didn't get farther than the Mavs, which is a flat out lie.

Just admit that you got owned and be done with it Stretchy.

[stretch]

You guys wanted to talk about ratings....now youre getting upset?

A marquee matchup of Suns and Celtics would be great for the league.

There's no denying that. Its a FACT. And looking at the current status of the league, I'd say we should all be praying that it happens.
Not sure where anyone said anything about WANTING to talk about ratings, other than yourself.

I agree, it would be great for the league. But before praying for such a finals, you need to pray that your team plays defense and rebounds the basketball better, because the way that they are playing defense and rebounding, KG will average 50/30 a night, on their way to a sweep and the franchise's 17th championship.

[da_suns_fan__]

The point that you can't seem to grasp is that it's a meaningless distinction. Both teams came up way short of their goals. It's kind of like bragging that you're friend is bald, fat and stupid while you're only bald and fat. The "stupid" part is a subjective judgment, just like the assessment of how "embarassing" it was for the Mavs to lose in the way they did. At the end of the day, both the Mavs and Suns are bald and fat losers compared to the Spurs.

I'd like to hear an argument though on how the Suns are going to beat the Spurs this year, or how Grant Hill is going to hold up playing 40 minutes per game already in November, or how the Suns plan to guard opposing bigs that doesn't involve Sean Marks or Brian Skinner, etc. Both teams have their question marks and have earned their doubters. If you want to keep arguing that the Suns are the better "runner up," it just shows you're happy with ratings and second-place. There are four elite teams in the League now with the emergence of Boston. You're just drawing meaningless distinctions between two of those four teams.


Come on FinDog. Two of these four teams provide outstanding basketball. The other two slow the game down to a crawl.

This is undeniable FACT:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats?sort=pac&order=true&league=nba

Maybe something in the Texas water forces the Spurs, Mavs and Rockets to play slow.

[da_suns_fan_]

I had to recheck the post count to make sure this wasn't the parody da_suns_fan. Nope, it's the real thing.
Sorry, I was busy tugging one out to photoshopped picture of Eva holding the lastest Nielsen ratings. But 16 seconds later I'm back.

I agree with everything that my protege says. He's really learning what being a true da_suns_fan is all about. 1) Claiming you owned people in a thread where you've been owned harder than any Suns fan has ever been owned in ST history, and 2) ratings baby!

[anakha]

A marquee matchup of Suns and Celtics would be great for the league.

In the finals? Maybe, just maybe. Since you're referring to a future event, that argument is still mostly based on opinion and conjecture.


Its a FACT.

See above. Conjecture, not fact. You might wanna read up on the definitions of those two words first. :lol

[da_suns_fan__]

Not sure where anyone said anything about WANTING to talk about ratings, other than yourself.

I agree, it would be great for the league. But before praying for such a finals, you need to pray that your team plays defense and rebounds the basketball better, because the way that they are playing defense and rebounding, KG will average 50/30 a night, on their way to a sweep and the franchise's 17th championship.


Amare definatley needs to get back into shape...but he looked much better last night. So did all the Suns (except Nash who had an off game after playing as good as we've seen him the past week).

The Celtics are on a mission right now and are killing the East, but I think the Suns would come out on top. Just too much talent.

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I would never say that the Cavs didn't get farther than the Suns last year.

They did. I agree that this doesn't mean that the Cavs are better than Suns, but you claimed the Suns didn't get farther than the Mavs, which is a flat out lie.

Just admit that you got owned and be done with it Stretchy.
Obviously, you didn't read my initial post, or the rest of my posts all the way through, as when I was talking about getting farther, I was referring to their ultimate outcomes, of not winning a title. I think any poster on this forum would agree with what I was talking about, even that dumb fuckface DannyB.

[monosylab1k]

Just admit that you got owned and be done with it Stretchy.
Capitalize your O motherfucker.

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Maybe something in the Texas water forces the Spurs, Mavs and Rockets to play slow.

You further prove your ignorance by saying that the Mavericks play slow.

[stretch]

Amare definatley needs to get back into shape...but he looked much better last night. So did all the Suns (except Nash who had an off game after playing as good as we've seen him the past week).

The Celtics are on a mission right now and are killing the East, but I think the Suns would come out on top. Just too much talent.
Oh, for fuck's sake, can you spell anything correctly?

[da_suns_fan__]

Sorry, I was busy tugging one out to photoshopped picture of Eva holding the lastest Nielsen ratings. But 16 seconds later I'm back.

I agree with everything that my protege says. He's really learning what being a true da_suns_fan is all about. 1) Claiming you owned people in a thread where you've been owned harder than any Suns fan has ever been owned in ST history, and 2) ratings baby!

Ah...you didn't like being called my protoge, huh?

Don't forget to promote "Swallowing the Spurs" whenever theres a chance.

Last night's game didn't count because NBA TV doesn't qualify as a "national" game.

But TOMORROW does!

Lets try to get as many people to "Swallow the Spurs".

[da_suns_fan__]

You further prove your ignorance by saying that the Mavericks play slow.


Yeah, because pace is such a misleading stat.

Capitalize your O MOTHERFUCKER!!! :lol :lol

[Findog]

You guys wanted to talk about ratings....now youre getting upset?

Upset? I love it when you talk ratings. It's kind of like watching Corky pee on himself and run around in circles.



I'd say we should all be praying that it happens

If you live in Boston or Phoenix. That's also assuming Boston comes out of the East, Detroit and Chicago will ultimately have something to say about that.

San Antonio/Boston, Houston/Boston, Dallas/Boston would all be compelling matchups as well for different reasons. KG vs Duncan, finally settle the debate on whether KG is Duncan's equal. Ming/McGrady/Garnett/Pierce/Allen, one of those teams overcoming heartbreak and failure. Same thing with Dallas vs Boston, and those series would be entertaining basketball as well. And if you think SAS/BOS would be boring basketball, that guy you suck off constantly disagrees:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/070607


Myth No. 4: The Spurs aren't fun to watch.

Not true. Maybe they aren't that likable, and maybe the flopping and eye-rolling and constant bitching isn't defensible ... but if you can't rally around Duncan's all-around brilliance, Parker's uncanny ability to score in the paint, Ginobili's penchant for rising to the moment, their superb role players and the obvious affection these guys have for each other (as well as their coach), then I don't know what to tell you. Their fast breaks are great. Their slash-and-kick game is great. Duncan's low-post play and footwork isn't just great, it's unparalleled right now. Their spacing is great, their rotations are great, even their flopping is great. Their outside shooting is good enough that they're averaging 39 percent for 3s in the playoffs ... as a team.

Maybe the 2001 Lakers had a higher ceiling because of the Shaq-Kobe combo, but the '07 Spurs are the most brutally efficient group in recent years. Their closeout game against Utah was straight out of the '80s, back when dominant teams won the first two at home, split Games 3 and 4, then sent their opponents packing with a Game 5 butt-whupping. It was nice to see a killer team taking care of business again. Reminded me of the good old days.

[stretch]

Ah...you didn't like being called my protoge, huh?

Wrong.


Don't forget to promote "Swallowing the Spurs" whenever theres a chance.

WRONG.


Lets try to get as many people to "Swallow the Spurs".

FUCKING WRONG.

[stretch]

Yeah, because pace is such a misleading stat.

Capitalize your O MOTHERFUCKER!!! :lol :lol
:wtf

You truly are an idiot. I must say though, chatting with you is quite amusing, and kills a lot of time at work. Keep it up with the ignorance.

[Findog]

Come on FinDog. Two of these four teams provide outstanding basketball. The other two slow the game down to a crawl.

This is undeniable FACT:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats?sort=pac&order=true&league=nba

Maybe something in the Texas water forces the Spurs, Mavs and Rockets to play slow.

Well, you consider the Spurs and Mavs to play a boring style of basketball, I'm guessing Josh Howard, Dirk Nowitzki, Jet Terry, Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker and the greatest power forward who ever played the game are boring. Silly me. I'd rather watch the Suns dunk a bunch of the Bobcats and run up the score.

[pussyface.]

Oh, for fuck's sake, can you spell anything correctly?
As a connoisseur of trying to sound intelligent while misspelling words horribly, I side with da_suns_fan__ on this one. When you're super-smart, you can't pay attention to thinkgs like spelling and grammar. Only siccophants spell right.

[da_suns_fan__]

Upset? I love it when you talk ratings. It's kind of like watching Corky pee on himself and run around in circles.


If you live in Boston or Phoenix. That's also assuming Boston comes out of the East, Detroit and Chicago will ultimately have something to say about that.

San Antonio/Boston, Houston/Boston, Dallas/Boston would all be compelling matchups as well for different reasons. KG vs Duncan, finally settle the debate on whether KG is Duncan's equal. Ming/McGrady/Garnett/Pierce/Allen, one of those teams overcoming heartbreak and failure. Same thing with Dallas vs Boston, and those series would be entertaining basketball as well. And if you think SAS/BOS would be boring basketball, that guy you suck off constantly disagrees:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/070607

Please. There is no scenario that would make a Spurs series "interesting". The Rockets and Mavericks can't even get out of the first round. Im pretty sure we won't see them in the finals.

Nope. Its Suns and Celtics in 08. The series that brought basketball back from the dead (see ratings).

Go Suns.

Got to work now. Keep practicing Texas. Maybe you'll have a better chance tomorrow! :lol

[Humble Billy Hayes]

Please. There is no scenario that would make a Spurs series "interesting". The Rockets and Mavericks can't even get out of the first round. Im pretty sure we won't see them in the finals.

Nope. Its Suns and Celtics in 08. The series that brought basketball back from the dead (see ratings).

Go Suns.

Got to work now. Keep practicing Texas. Maybe you'll have a better chance tomorrow! :lol
Capitalize Your "O" Motherfucker!!

[Findog]

Please. There is no scenario that would make a Spurs series "interesting," because they don't wear purple and orange jerseys and play their home games in Phoenix.

I wish it was Suns and Celtics in 08, but the Suns don't play defense and can't beat a team in the playoffs outside of southern California, so I'm pretty sure we won't be seeing them in the Finals.

[Findog]

Capitalize Your "O" Motherfucker!!

da_suns_fan: "Bill Simmons is a prophet who preaches the gospel, and I am his disciple, except for when he praises the Spurs, then the cognitive dissonance gives me a headache and confuses me!"

[Findog]

:wtf

How did you own me?

You refused to agree with him that the Suns are something special, the likes of which the League has never seen, since Run TMC never happened. You also refused to agree with the notion that tv ratings are of primary importance when analyzing and discussing a particular team. That's called being "owned" in da_smegma_fan's book.

[stretch]

You refused to agree with him that the Suns are something special, the likes of which the League has never seen, since Run TMC never happened. You also refused to agree with the notion that tv ratings are of primary importance when analyzing and discussing a particular team. That's called being "owned" in da_smegma_fan's book.
well, in that case, i really did get owned... :lol

[Findog]

I picture a USA Today cover with a split image of KG and Nash.

Wow...goosebumps.

Two copies, eh? One to read, one to soil?

[Findog]

well, in that case, i really did get owned... :lol

Also, if it's ratings that the League needs, then let's all pray for a Bucks-Rockets Finals. :lol

God I feel for dsf. Even on his home turf of ratings smack, he can't put together a factually correct argument. Bucks-Rockets would trounce Suns-Celtics for viewers and interest.

[ATRAIN]

Nope. Its Suns and Celtics in 08. The series that brought basketball back from the dead (see ratings).



LOL da suns fans is still up on this. GET OVER IT, the SUNS suck and will never win a championship with that team. Why are you still on this board? If your team is soooo bad ass why don't you guys have a good message board? Go infect that one and stay out of ours.

[Reggie Miller]

Also, if it's ratings that the League needs, then let's all pray for a Bucks-Rockets Finals. :lol

God I feel for dsf. Even on his home turf of ratings smack, he can't put together a factually correct argument. Bucks-Rockets would trounce Suns-Celtics for viewers and interest.

All of this discussion about ratings seems really silly in the larger context. Every sport except the NFL is posting record low ratings.

I suspect that the ratings system is fundamentally flawed and cannot model the impact of cable, the internet, DirecTV, etc. The Nielsen net isn't demographically accurate in the first place, and it does not account for people watching games on the internet, in bars, etc.

My understanding is that it does not account for "time-shifting" either. That is, if you Tivo a game and start watching it 15-20 minutes later to skip commercials, the Nielsen box doesn't count that. Someone who knows more about this will probably correct me, but assuming this is true, ratings for sporting events are meaningless. EVERYONE I know with a Tivo does this.

[Findog]

All of this discussion about ratings seems really silly in the larger context. Every sport except the NFL is posting record low ratings.

I suspect that the ratings system is fundamentally flawed and cannot model the impact of cable, the internet, DirecTV, etc. The Nielsen net isn't demographically accurate in the first place, and it does not account for people watching games on the internet, in bars, etc.

My understanding is that it does not account for "time-shifting" either. That is, if you Tivo a game and start watching it 15-20 minutes later to skip commercials, the Nielsen box doesn't count that. Someone who knows more about this will probably correct me, but assuming this is true, ratings for sporting events are meaningless. EVERYONE I know with a Tivo does this.

Well, Reggie, you and I don't care about how many viewers tune in, we're both hoops junkies. We'd much prefer to talk X's and O's. And truth be told, stretch and I were just beating dsf over the head with his ratings talk.

But you're telling me dsf can't even cling to his "Suns are the most popular team based on tv ratings" argument? Don't take that away from him, Reggie, that's all he's got. We'll be having to talk him down and plead with him to take the gun out of his mouth.

Still, if his argument is that a Suns-Celtics Finals would be most beneficial to the League in terms of generating interest in the form of viewers, I'm sorry, but I don't think 250 million people will be watching it, like a Bucks-Rockets Finals would generate. :lol

And I think that it would be extremely beneficial for the health of the League to expand its popularity beyond North America. Somebody really needs to register da_bucks_fan, so we can get sermons on how the Bucks are saving basketball and we need to pray for a Houston-Milwaukee Finals to "save" the NBA.

[ATRAIN]

We'll be having to talk him down and plead with him to take the gun out of his mouth.



Speak for yourself :)

[da_suns_fan__]

Well, Reggie, you and I don't care about how many viewers tune in, we're both hoops junkies. We'd much prefer to talk X's and O's. And truth be told, stretch and I were just beating dsf over the head with his ratings talk.

But you're telling me dsf can't even cling to his "Suns are the most popular team based on tv ratings" argument? Don't take that away from him, Reggie, that's all he's got. We'll be having to talk him down and plead with him to take the gun out of his mouth.

Still, if his argument is that a Suns-Celtics Finals would be most beneficial to the League in terms of generating interest in the form of viewers, I'm sorry, but I don't think 250 million people will be watching it, like a Bucks-Rockets Finals would generate. :lol

And I think that it would be extremely beneficial for the health of the League to expand its popularity beyond North America. Somebody really needs to register da_bucks_fan, so we can get sermons on how the Bucks are saving basketball and we need to pray for a Houston-Milwaukee Finals to "save" the NBA.

True. A Houston/Milwaukee matchup would generate a lot of buzz in China, but even they would eventually get bored of watching that type of garbage basketball they play in Texas.

I mean, look at these numbers!!!

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats?sort=pac&order=false&league=nba&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fhollinger%2fteamstats%3fsort%3dpac%26order%3dfa lse%26league%3dnba

Are the teams in Texas having a contest to see who can put their fans to sleep the fastest?

Do we honestly believe the Chinese will care anymore than we do once the novelty wears off?

The Suns and Celtics, on the other hand, have the potential to bring basketball back to the mainstream and also demonstrate to the world how great this game can truly be! Demonstrate how the game was MEANT to be played!

Nash and KG both going for that ring! A matchup of Magic vs. Bird proportions! Could basketball be "king" again (as it was in the early 90s)?

Between the record low ratings and Donaghy scandal, Im not sure what could be better. And it has a good chance of happening! Lets all keep our fingers crossed.

- DSF

[da_suns_fan__]

Dont hate Texans. Go ask Brent Barry how he thinks the game was MEANT to be played.

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[stretch]

Dont hate Texans. Go ask Brent Barry how he thinks the game was MEANT to be played.

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Brent Barry would also rather have 4 rings playing on a "boring" team, as opposed to no rings on a "fun" team.

[monosylab1k]

True. A Houston/Milwaukee matchup would generate a lot of buzz in China, but even they would eventually get bored of watching that type of garbage basketball they play in Texas.

I mean, look at these numbers!!!

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats?sort=pac&order=false&league=nba&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fhollinger%2fteamstats%3fsort%3dpac%26order%3dfa lse%26league%3dnba

Are the teams in Texas having a contest to see who can put their fans to sleep the fastest?

Do we honestly believe the Chinese will care anymore than we do once the novelty wears off?

The Suns and Celtics, on the other hand, have the potential to bring basketball back to the mainstream and also demonstrate to the world how great this game can truly be! Demonstrate how the game was MEANT to be played!

Nash and KG both going for that ring! A matchup of Magic vs. Bird proportions! Could basketball be "king" again (as it was in the early 90s)?

Between the record low ratings and Donaghy scandal, Im not sure what could be better. And it has a good chance of happening! Lets all keep our fingers crossed.

- DSF

yet again, notice how DSF's posts never seem to use the words "winning" and "championships". We see where the priorities lie here.

[da_suns_fan__]

yet again, notice how DSF's posts never seem to use the words "winning" and "championships". We see where the priorities lie here.


If we get a good Suns/Celtics matchup in the finals, we'll all be winners!!!

Discuss.

[ATRAIN]

yet again, notice how DSF's posts never seem to use the words "winning" and "championships". We see where the priorities lie here.


As many wars as I have had with Mono I would have to say that our general dislike for DSF cancels out everything else. Keep up the good work Mono lol.

[monosylab1k]

If we get a good Suns/Celtics matchup in the finals, we'll all be winners!!!

Discuss.
winners how?

[ATRAIN]

If we get a good Suns/Celtics matchup in the finals, we'll all be winners!!!

Discuss.


If we can get you to stop posting on this SPURS board, we all will be winners.

[da_suns_fan__]

Gotta get back to work...think about what I said Texans.

[ATRAIN]

Gotta get back to work...think about what I said Texans.


Go ahead and play in traffic while your at it.

[monosylab1k]

Gotta get back to work...think about what I said Texans.
with the lunch hour almost over, i'd figure now is about the time they'd let you take a break from the drive-thru window.

[ATRAIN]

with the lunch hour almost over, i'd figure now is about the time they'd let you take a break from the drive-thru window.


LOL

[Mister Sinister]

If we get a good Suns/Celtics matchup in the finals, we'll all be winners!!!

Discuss.
Ok, I'll discuss.
You're a complete and total moron, whose only slightly redeeming quality is that your nigh-incomprehensible stupidity makes most of us laugh, because the alternative is crying, with our heads pointed skyward, "Why, Lord? Why do you inflict this torture upon us?"

[Reggie Miller]

Well, Reggie, you and I don't care about how many viewers tune in, we're both hoops junkies. We'd much prefer to talk X's and O's. And truth be told, stretch and I were just beating dsf over the head with his ratings talk.

But you're telling me dsf can't even cling to his "Suns are the most popular team based on tv ratings" argument? Don't take that away from him, Reggie, that's all he's got. We'll be having to talk him down and plead with him to take the gun out of his mouth.

Still, if his argument is that a Suns-Celtics Finals would be most beneficial to the League in terms of generating interest in the form of viewers, I'm sorry, but I don't think 250 million people will be watching it, like a Bucks-Rockets Finals would generate. :lol

And I think that it would be extremely beneficial for the health of the League to expand its popularity beyond North America. Somebody really needs to register da_bucks_fan, so we can get sermons on how the Bucks are saving basketball and we need to pray for a Houston-Milwaukee Finals to "save" the NBA.


Oh, I understand now. The "ratings" talk is more bearable than the "boring" smack, anyway.

On a more serious note, that whole Tivo thing just occurred to me. If that is correct, then someone needs to revamp the Nielsen system.

Based on my limited experience with it as a participant almost twenty years ago, I don't understand how anyone could ever rely on Nielsen ratings or spend advertising money soley on that basis. Just for example, we used to write down our favorite programs, even if we didn't actually watch them that week. If a show was tanking, we would sometimes mark that we had watched it, etc. My family couldn't have been the only one...

[Findog]

True. A Houston/Milwaukee matchup would generate a lot of buzz in China,

250 million people would watch Houston/Milwaukee. You can't say the same for Boston/Phoenix. Oh wait, they're not Americans, so they don't count! You should get a job with the Bush Administration with that mindset.





http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats?sort=pac&order=false&league=nba&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fhollinger%2fteamstats%3fsort%3dpac%26order%3dfa lse%26league%3dnba

The Texas Triangle all feature great teams that are entertaining to watch. The Suns don't have a monopoly on anything.




Do we honestly believe the Chinese will care anymore than we do once the novelty wears off?

Basketball is only becoming the most popular team sport in the most populous nation on Earth. There will be a steady stream of Chinese players coming to North America.


The Suns and Celtics, on the other hand, have the potential to bring basketball back to the mainstream

Ah, I see, white Americans = mainstream. A quarter of a billion Chinese people and expanding basketball's popularity beyond North America doesn't count according to da_suns_fan logic. I think da_suns_fan is either a racist or an imperialist, probably both. Definitely a retard.

[ATRAIN]

Oh, I understand now. The "ratings" talk is more bearable than the "boring" smack, anyway.

On a more serious note, that whole Tivo thing just occurred to me. If that is correct, then someone needs to revamp the Nielsen system.

Based on my limited experience with it as a participant almost twenty years ago, I don't understand how anyone could ever rely on Nielsen ratings or spend advertising money soley on that basis. Just for example, we used to write down our favorite programs, even if we didn't actually watch them that week. If a show was tanking, we would sometimes mark that we had watched it, etc. My family couldn't have been the only one...


I was in New York City at the NBA store on sat and guess what. SPURS merch sells a LOT!! Guess what was there......SUNS merch. Why you ask, and the answer isnt because they stock more. The answer is because no one buys that crap!!!

[Reggie Miller]

250 million people would watch Houston/Milwaukee. You can't say the same for Boston/Phoenix. Oh wait, they're not Americans, so they don't count! You should get a job with the Bush Administration with that mindset.

The Texas Triangle all feature great teams that are entertaining to watch. The Suns don't have a monopoly on anything.

Basketball is only becoming the most popular team sport in the most populous nation on Earth. There will be a steady stream of Chinese players coming to North America.

Ah, I see, white Americans = mainstream. A quarter of a billion Chinese people and expanding basketball's popularity beyond North America doesn't count. da_suns_fan logic. I think da_suns_fan is either a racist or an imperialist, probably both. Definitely a retard.


You must type a lot faster than I do. ^

[Findog]

with the lunch hour almost over, i'd figure now is about the time they'd let you take a break from the drive-thru window.

A gig at In-N-Out Burger would be a step up for da_suns_fan. As it is, he earns his keep by making visiting businessmen happy in the restrooms at Sky Harbor Airport.

[ATRAIN]

A gig at In-N-Out Burger would be a step up for da_suns_fan. As it is, he earns his keep by making visiting businessmen happy in the restrooms at Sky Harbor Airport.


What do the other Suns homers think of Da_Suns_Fan and how stupid he makes all of you guys look?

[monosylab1k]

A gig at In-N-Out Burger would be a step up for da_suns_fan. As it is, he earns his keep by making visiting businessmen happy in the restrooms at Sky Harbor Airport.
maybe he can tell us how much Sen. Craig pays for a hummer.

[Findog]

Based on my limited experience with it as a participant almost twenty years ago, I don't understand how anyone could ever rely on Nielsen ratings or spend advertising money soley on that basis. ..

There was an interesting section in Michael Lewis' (Moneyball, Blind Side, New New Thing) book Next, where he was talking about how advertisers were foolish to rely on Nielsens for their advertising and marketing decisions. For instance, beer companies advertise during football games on the basis that ALL football fans drink beer, or luxury car manufacturers advertise during golf tournaments because ALL golf fans are wealthy. Eventually through dvr and tivo they'll be able to slice you into a niche demographic and advertisers can target you more precisely and in better ways than commercials, since you can skip through them with tivo.

[Findog]

I was in New York City at the NBA store on sat and guess what. SPURS merch sells a LOT!! Guess what was there......SUNS merch. Why you ask, and the answer isnt because they stock more. The answer is because no one buys that crap!!!

The Spurs are extremely popular in South America because of Manu and Oberto. They're gaining fans that will most likely stay with them past their retirement. da_suns_fan is like the Bushies: he doesn't seem to understand there's a world beyond our borders.

[Mister Sinister]

The Spurs are extremely popular in South America because of Manu and Oberto. They're gaining fans that will most likely stay with them past their retirement. da_suns_fan is like the Bushies: he's too stupid to understand there's a world beyond our borders.
Ficst.

[Reggie Miller]

I was in New York City at the NBA store on sat and guess what. SPURS merch sells a LOT!! Guess what was there......SUNS merch. Why you ask, and the answer isnt because they stock more. The answer is because no one buys that crap!!!


Good point. As a business, I'm not paying millions for advertising without looking at that kind of data. Nielsen ratings alone just don't tell the entire story.

I suspect that the Suns are less popular overseas than all three of the Texas teams, but I don't have any hard data. Houston is a given.

Assuming I actually have a point, I suppose it is as follows. Overseas viewers and people watching in a large social gathering (bar, house party, whatever) are not represented in Nielsen ratings at all. Minorities, specifically African-Americans, are not represented in the ratings proportional to their numbers in the overall U.S. population. Three substantial demographic groups that watch NBA games are inadequately represented or not represented at all by the Nielsen ratings. It seems to me, at least in the case of basketball, that the Nielsen ratings do not model reality at all, much less giving a true percentage of households viewing the game.

[da_suns_fan__]

Texans, this isn't what I had in mind when I asked you to discuss.

Don't pout! You all sound like a bunch of children in denial.

Im just telling it like it is.

Now, try again.

[monosylab1k]

Texans, this isn't what I had in mind when I asked you to discuss.

Don't pout! You all sound like a bunch of children in denial.

Im just telling it like it is.

Now, try again.
fail. capitalize your O motherfucker.

[Findog]

Texans, this isn't what I had in mind when I asked you to discuss.

"Wah Wah Wah! Mommy, the meanie fans of other teams won't worship the Suns like I do! Wah Wah Wah! Mommy, the meanie fans are actually off an interesting tangential discussion of advertising practices that has nothing to do with how super duper awesomey the suns are! Wah Wah Wah! Mommy, make them stop!"

Just like a Suns troll to whine like a crybaby bitch about how unfair their treatment is at the hands of Texas.

[Mister Sinister]

Texans, this isn't what I had in mind when I asked you to discuss.

Don't pout! You all sound like a bunch of children in denial.

I'm just telling it like it is.

Now, try again.
Punctuation, motherfucker, do you use it?!

[da_suns_fan__]

"Wah Wah Wah! Mommy, the meanie fans of other teams won't worship the Suns like I do! Wah Wah Wah! Mommy, the meanie fans are actually off an interesting tangential discussion of advertising practices that has nothing to do with how super duper awesomey the suns are! Wah Wah Wah! Mommy, make them stop!"

[/QUOTE]



Worst....post.....ever.

You should be embarrassed.

[Mister Sinister]

[QUOTE]



Worst....post.....ever.

You should be embarrassed.
:lmao Wow. If I were Findog, I'd be flattered by this, given the source it's coming from.

[Findog]

Worst....post.....ever.

You should be embarrassed.

"Mommy! The meanie fans from the other teams don't agree with me! Make them stop!"

[ATRAIN]

The Spurs are extremely popular in South America because of Manu and Oberto. They're gaining fans that will most likely stay with them past their retirement. da_suns_fan is like the Bushies: he doesn't seem to understand there's a world beyond our borders.


You Forgot our little French Man!!

[ATRAIN]

:lmao Wow. If I were Findog, I'd be flattered by this, given the source it's coming from.


Fin, that shit was funny but WHAT was funnier was Da Suns Crybaby crying about how it was the worst post.

[da_suns_fan__]

"Mommy! The meanie fans from the other teams don't agree with me! Make them stop!"


I wont get mad if you don't agree with me. My goal is to spread the truth to Texans who don't know any better.

Im prepared to meet some adversity along the way, but Im pretty sure I've gotten some Texans excited about a possible Celtics/Suns matchup.

You guys should save up your money. It might be worth it to fly to Phoenix (or Boston for those living closer to the east coast) to witness basketball being played the right way by two championship caliber teams. It might be something you'll tell your grandchildren about.

Think about it and start saving because, lets face it, its not something you'll be able to see in Texas.

[Findog]

You Forgot our little French Man!!


But that's outside of North American, if we go beyond the lower 48, then the Suns aren't the most popular team anymore and da_suns_fan will have to question his entire existence.

Did the Suns even win "Team of the Year" at the ESPYs?

[Mister Sinister]

I wont get mad if you don't agree with me. My goal is to spread the truth to Texans who don't know any better.

I'm prepared to meet some adversity along the way, but Im pretty sure I've gotten some Texans excited about a possible Celtics/Suns matchup.

You guys should save up your money. It might be worth it to fly to Phoenix (or Boston for those living closer to the east coast) to witness basketball being played the right way by two championship caliber teams. It might be something you'll tell your grandchildren about.

Think about it and start saving!
Do they have apostrophes where you come from?

[ATRAIN]

I wont get mad if you don't agree with me. My goal is to spread the truth to Texans who don't know any better.

Im prepared to meet some adversity along the way, but Im pretty sure I've gotten some Texans excited about a possible Celtics/Suns matchup.

You guys should save up your money. It might be worth it to fly to Phoenix (or Boston for those living closer to the east coast) to witness basketball being played the right way by two championship caliber teams. It might be something you'll tell your grandchildren about.

Think about it and start saving because, lets face it, its not something you'll be able to see in Texas.


Its funny how he has hopes of making it to the promise land and when they fail he will be here crying like he was after the suns got eliminated last year.

[Findog]

You guys should save up your money. It might be worth it to fly to Phoenix (or Boston for those living closer to the east coast) to witness basketball being played the right way by two championship caliber teams. It might be something you'll tell your grandchildren about.


I certainly agree that the Celtics are looking championship-caliber at this point. It will be interesting to see which Texas team will come out of the West to play them. Hell, maybe even Utah as a darkhorse could make the Finals. Those four teams are Boston's possible opponents. Aside from my Mavericks, I'm wondering which of the other three I would most want to see in the Finals.

[Mister Sinister]

Its funny how he has hopes of making it to the promise land and when they fail he will be here crying like he was after the suns got eliminated last year.
You know what would be *really* funny? If the Suns missed the playoffs entirely.

[ATRAIN]

Hey Da Suns Fan, I think I hear the burgers burning, time to flip them!! Oh while your at it can you super size my milkshake?

[monosylab1k]

two championship caliber teams.
maybe you can say that about Boston, but unless the Suns have plans to play defense and fire D'Antoni, they're not a championship caliber team.

[monosylab1k]

I think i've said this before, but DSF reminds me exactly of that guy from Kung Pow who thinks losing is winning. He's never been owned harder in a thread yet somehow he thinks he has the upper hand here.

[ATRAIN]

You know what would be *really* funny? If the Suns missed the playoffs entirely.


THAT would be great, but then the waterworks would increase and people at the in and out drive thru would have extra salt on their fries.

[Findog]

Its funny how he has hopes of making it to the promise land and when they fail he will be here crying like he was after the suns got eliminated last year.

No, it'll be funny if the Suns are lucky enough to advance to the Finals and lose to Boston. Then he'll be on a Celtics board talking about boring Boston is, how Bill Simmons doesn't know anything about basketball and the Suns get better tv ratings.

[Mister Sinister]

THAT would be great, but then the waterworks would increase and people at the in and out drive thru would have extra salt on their fries.
Doesn't that already happen when the Suns are playing?

[ATRAIN]

No, it'll be funny if the Suns are lucky enough to advance to the Finals and lose to Boston. Then he'll be on a Celtics board talking about boring Boston is, how Bill Simmons doesn't know anything about basketball and the Suns get better tv ratings.


If they don't win they will also be crying about how Stern hates them soooo much!!

[Reggie Miller]

One thing I almost forgot to mention is the vagaries of taste. All things being equal, most people probably wouldn't buy some of the team uniform color combinations in normal clothing on a dare.

In the early '90s, silver and black was popular, and you saw tons of Raiders, White Sox, and Spurs gear. By the middle '90s, teal was the rage. I can't imagine that all of the teal merchandise sells well today, despite the various teams' records.

In other words, even team merchandise sometimes sells or doesn't sell for reasons that have nothing to do with the team itself. I would assume that Nielsen ratings are also influenced by extraneous things that have nothing to do with who is playing that night. For example, Wednesday is a church or extracurricular activity night for many households. Friday nights are a complete washout in many communities during high school football season.

[Findog]

One thing I almost forgot to mention is the vagaries of taste. All things being equal, most people probably wouldn't buy some of the team uniform color combinations in normal clothing on a dare.

In the early '90s, silver and black was popular, and you saw tons of Raiders, White Sox, and Spurs gear. By the middle '90s, teal was the rage. I can't imagine that all of the teal merchandise sells well today, despite the various teams' records.

In other words, even team merchandise sometimes sells or doesn't sell for reasons that have nothing to do with the team itself. I would assume that Nielsen ratings are also influenced by extraneous things that have nothing to do with who is playing that night. For example, Wednesday is a church or extracurricular activity night for many households. Friday nights are a complete washout in many communities during high school football season.

Question Reggie: What is more amusing? da_suns_fan and his poor attempts at logic, or freedarko's pretentious wankery?

I came across this sentence in the comments section of the latest post, and I've determined that it doesn't mean anything at all, I don't think the word "systemic" is being used properly.

http://freedarko.blogspot.com/2007/11/brett-ashley-was-good-time.html


The thing you want to take from Marx is methodological - a sense of systemic relationality and a sense of crisis. FD usually does that exceptionally well.

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I think i've said this before, but DSF reminds me exactly of that guy from Kung Pow who thinks losing is winning. He's never been owned harder in a thread yet somehow he thinks he has the upper hand here.
Lol, I was thinking about that too, hahaha

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Worst....post.....ever.

You should be embarrassed.

You should be embarrassed by your poor usage of periods, and lack of use of spaces.

[Reggie Miller]

Question Reggie: What is more amusing? da_suns_fan and his poor attempts at logic, or freedarko's pretentious wankery?

I came across this sentence in the comments section of the latest post, and I've determined that it doesn't mean anything at all, I don't think the word "systemic" is being used properly.

http://freedarko.blogspot.com/2007/11/brett-ashley-was-good-time.html


In my opinion, they are not using "systemic" properly for a variety of reasons. Most importantly, the statement is not a correct description of Marxism, or more specifically, dialectical materialism. Marx saw "systems" as a form of dialectical idealism. In other words, humans impose their ideas (system) on a material reality that may or may not relate to human ideas in a systematic way.

Marx believed that reality (material circumstances) determined ideology, whereas most Continental philosophers before Marx believed that matter reflected metaphysical ideas or ideal forms. (Plato would be the classic example of "idealism" in this sense, but Marx was mostly responding to the work of Kant and Hegel.) However, there is still a dialectical relationship between matter and ideas for Marx. Matter determines ideology, but ideas do have some power to to infuence material circumstances. In the final analysis, matter is primary for Marx, however. The revolution comes not becuase of a changed international consciousness or communist ideology, but becuase technology and international capitalism make such a revolution possible.

I would agree with the first half of the quote. Dialectical materialism could be characterized as a "methodology." If one accepts Marx's fundamental premise, then the rest of his work is just the "heavy lifting" of applying dialectical materialism to world history. To say that Marxism or dialectical materialsim is a "systemic relationality" is assinine, to be quite blunt. Ignoring the fact that the statement may be a nonsequitur in of itself, Marx viewed his life work as debunking the systems of Western thought (and the overly systematic Kant and Hegel in particular). Marx also saw many world-historical events or technological advances as major paradigm shifts that essentially rendered the past meaningless and destroyed social relationships. Many of the "systems" and "relationships" we perceive are constructs, accidents, or coincidences for Marx.

At any rate, the Free Darko crowd really burns my beans. I occasionally play the role of a pompous ass for my own amusement (and hopefully the amusement of others). Most of those clowns are dead serious, however. If they really believed half of their own crap, they wouldn't watch NBA basketball anyway. Marxism may be one of my favorite topics, as I am a former Russian language and Soviet Area Studies major. I would be the first person to tell you it has absolutely nothing to do with basketball, with the possible exception of the racial composition of ownership.

[RonMexico]

I have to admit that I think DSF is my favorite poster on here. His everpresent optimism is something I wish I had in my miserable life.

[Findog]

At any rate, the Free Darko crowd really burns my beans. I occasionally play the role of a pompous ass for my own amusement (and hopefully the amusement of others). Most of those clowns are dead serious, however. If they really believed half of their own crap, they wouldn't watch NBA basketball anyway. Marxism may be one of my favorite topics, as I am a former Russian language and Soviet Area Studies major. I would be the first person to tell you it has absolutely nothing to do with basketball, with the possible exception of the racial composition of ownership.

Yeah, I was posting comments as "Zeke" in that post. That's the same reaction I have to them as well: they truly seem to believe the weird mythologies they build up around various players, and they seem to get off on the idea that they can tie basketball into some sort of greater political or cultural truth. I can't stand pretentiousness, and it reminds me of some of the experiences and people I ran into as an undergrad in college. They remind me of music and art snobs: "Oh, we have a much richer and deeper appreciation of hoops than you do."

[anakha]

I have to admit that I think DSF is my favorite poster on here. His everpresent optimism is something I wish I had in my miserable life.

A lot of people would call that 'delusion', you know. :lol

[RonMexico]

A lot of people would call that 'delusion', you know. :lol

Some might, but it honestly brightens my day. He has a little of that poster "Dirk Nowitzki" in him, with less icons and obnoxiousness.

[anakha]

Some might, but it honestly brightens my day. He has a little of that poster "Dirk Nowitzki" in him, with less icons and obnoxiousness.

Thank heavens for that.

If d_s_f was as trigger-happy with the emoticons as Dirk Nowitzki, half of Spurstalk would be covered in clapping hands and pink elephants.

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but Dirk Nowitzki just does that to act goofy, and is more than capable of having a good, serious basketball discussion. DSF is simply stupid, nothing more.

[Reggie Miller]

Yeah, I was posting comments as "Zeke" in that post. That's the same reaction I have to them as well: they truly seem to believe the weird mythologies they build up around various players, and they seem to get off on the idea that they can tie basketball into some sort of greater political or cultural truth. I can't stand pretentiousness, and it reminds me of some of the experiences and people I ran into as an undergrad in college. They remind me of music and art snobs: "Oh, we have a much richer and deeper appreciation of hoops than you do."

I think the NBA gives us an interesting window on the state of race relations in the U.S. This has nothing to do with any deep significance of basketball; it's just that the majority of players are African-American (and the majority of ownership is Caucasian). IMHO, it really doesn't get much deeper than that.

I've never met a real intellectual that thought of themselves as an intellectual. For example, Elie Wiesel was a guest lecturer at my college. If ever anyone qualified for the label "egghead," it's Wiesel. However, five minutes with the guy told you he was much more interested in people than ideas for their own sake. I've run into that quite a bit over the years.

The average person is more than capable of understanding something like Das Kapital, but he/she doesn't have the time, inclination, and/or discipline to tackle a book of that length. I think that is what aggravates me about intellectual snobs the most. The majority of these fools don't seem to understand that their "deep understanding" is largely a byproduct of privilege and leisure. A working family with three kids doesn't have the money or leisure time to take in a Jean-Luc Goddard film festival. Many people would say that the average American has no interest in that sort of thing, but again, I think people are too quick to sell others short. I really like Japanese movies, but my introduction was Godzilla, not Kurosawa.

I guess another way to put it would be to quote my former minister: "There's no one more hateful and mean-spirited than a self-styled liberal intellectual."

[da_suns_fan__]

but Dirk Nowitzki just does that to act goofy, and is more than capable of having a good, serious basketball discussion. DSF is simply stupid, nothing more.

Why would anyone want to have a serious basketball discussion with you?

Youre a cliche. No different from monos or mardigan.

Don't pout just because you got owned.

[Findog]

^ Why would anyone want to have a serious basketball discussion with you?

You're a cliche. No different from DannyB or yourcheatinheart.

Don't pout just because you got owned.

Also, you were missing an apostrophe in you're. Capitalize your O, motherfucker.

[stretch]

Why would anyone want to have a serious basketball discussion with you?

Youre a cliche. No different from monos or mardigan.

Don't pout just because you got owned.
When was I owned? I believe I already dismissed that crazy notion, as it was your utter inability to read and comprehend english that caused it to arise to begin with.

[Findog]

I think the NBA gives us an interesting window on the state of race relations in the U.S. This has nothing to do with any deep significance of basketball; it's just that the majority of players are African-American (and the majority of ownership is Caucasian). IMHO, it really doesn't get much deeper than that.

I've never met a real intellectual that thought of themselves as an intellectual. For example, Elie Wiesel was a guest lecturer at my college. If ever anyone qualified for the label "egghead," it's Wiesel. However, five minutes with the guy told you he was much more interested in people than ideas for their own sake. I've run into that quite a bit over the years.

The average person is more than capable of understanding something like Das Kapital, but he/she doesn't have the time, inclination, and/or discipline to tackle a book of that length. I think that is what aggravates me about intellectual snobs the most. The majority of these fools don't seem to understand that their "deep understanding" is largely a byproduct of privilege and leisure. A working family with three kids doesn't have the money or leisure time to take in a Jean-Luc Goddard film festival. Many people would say that the average American has no interest in that sort of thing, but again, I think people are too quick to sell others short. I really like Japanese movies, but my introduction was Godzilla, not Kurosawa.

I guess another way to put it would be to quote my former minister: "There's no one more hateful and mean-spirited than a self-styled liberal intellectual."

Chomsky had a very interesting take on this. He once made a comment to the effect that what goes in universities isn't so much intellectual work as intellectual "life." It's very cozy and comfortable to get tenure for discussing well-known works of literature of comparing and contrasting the different approaches of philosophers, but is it intellectual work? A car mechanic in some ways performs more intellectual work than an English professor, it takes real talent and skill to be able to diagnose and fix a broken car, and his contributions to society are more valuable. I once really pissed some liberal arts grads off when I said that I could get 80% of their education with a library card and for free, while they paid thousands of dollars for the privilege.

[Reggie Miller]

Chomsky had a very interesting take on this. He once made a comment to the effect that what goes in universities isn't so much intellectual work as intellectual "life." It's very cozy and comfortable to get tenure for discussing well-known works of literature of comparing and contrasting the different approaches of philosophers, but is it intellectual work? A car mechanic in some ways performs more intellectual work than an English professor, it takes real talent and skill to be able to diagnose and fix a broken car, and his contributions to society are more valuable. I once really pissed some liberal arts grads off when I said that I could get 80% of their education with a library card and for free, while they paid thousands of dollars for the privilege.


I just waded through that Free Darko thread, and I have to commend you. I wouldn't have had the patience.

That was "pretentious wankery" at it's worst (which covers a lot of ground). The entire premise was sloppy pseudo-intellectualism. An NBA player cannot be part of the bourgeoisie, because he does not own or control the means of production (the NBA franchise itself). It went downhill from there... The responses to your Zeke posts were classic. Some of these guys must have gone to the P.T. Barnum school of rhetoric: "When you can't dazzle them with dexterity, baffle them with bullshit."

C.S. Lewis once wrote that "university politics are bitter precisely because the stakes are so small." I read that and realized that I had no future in academia. Unfortunately, I went into ministry, and I had to learn the hard way that Mr. Lewis should have also mentioned denominational politics in a footnote.

I like your mechanic example. Here's another one. A black guy and a white guy working side by side doing physical labor know a lot more about race relations than anyone in an ivory tower.

[Findog]

I just waded through that Free Darko thread, and I have to commend you. I wouldn't have had the patience.

That was "pretentious wankery" at it's worst (which covers a lot of ground). The entire premise was sloppy pseudo-intellectualism. An NBA player cannot be part of the bourgeoisie, because he does not own or control the means of production (the NBA franchise itself). It went downhill from there... The responses to your Zeke posts were classic. Some of these guys must have gone to the P.T. Barnum school of rhetoric: "When you can't dazzle them with dexterity, baffle them with bullshit."

C.S. Lewis once wrote that "university politics are bitter precisely because the stakes are so small." I read that and realized that I had no future in academia. Unfortunately, I went into ministry, and I had to learn the hard way that Mr. Lewis should have also mentioned denominational politics in a footnote.

I like your mechanic example. Here's another one. A black guy and a white guy working side by side doing physical labor know a lot more about race relations than anyone in an ivory tower.

There's website I used to visit called plastic.com. It was basically a political/current events board. It used to be a lively place to discuss politics or whatever, but it became a narrow echo chamber along the same lines.

I don't want to totally dog academia, but sometimes I think it's helpful to remember what it's useful for and what it isn't.

[JMarkJohns]

So... I've been away from a computer for six days. What have I missed?! :)

"This is the thread that never ends... it just goes on and on, my friends... Some people started typing, not knowing what it'd be, but now it just continues on just like my misery... This is the thread that never ends..."

[yourcheatinheart]

^ Why would anyone want to have a serious basketball discussion with you?

You're a cliche. No different from DannyB or yourcheatinheart.

Don't pout just because you got owned.

Also, you were missing an apostrophe in you're. Capitalize your O, motherfucker.


get off my nuts bitch! http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/meeks4president/2Obsession.jpg you fucking reek of it. GO SUNS!!

[Findog]

lol, yourcheatinheart

[da_suns_fan__]

Why did u bump this thread?

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Why did u bump this thread?
Because you're gay.

[JMarkJohns]

If I had money, I'd pay to have D'Antoni knocked off. All five starters played 36 minutes or more, and no bench player, of the three played, even played 20 minutes.

That's just silly stupid!

[CubanMustGo]

That's the Mike D'Antoni we all know and few love ...

[ShoogarBear]

If I had money, I'd pay to have D'Antoni knocked off. All five starters played 36 minutes or more, and no bench player, of the three played, even played 20 minutes.

That's just silly stupid!Remember this in April.

[JMarkJohns]

I should probably refrain from the "offing" talk. On the outside chance he's offed, I don't need the trouble.

That said...

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Bump.

lollerskates

[monosylab1k]

Where is that thread where da_suns_fan__ brags about how smart he is with his Arizona State education, then gets owned hard by Bottomtooth, who then reveals that he's like 16, proving a teenager is smarter than an Arizona State graduate. That was a great thread.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:lol

[JMarkJohns]

Remember this in April.

I barely got the chance as they were ousted so quickly...

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Where is that thread where da_suns_fan__ brags about how smart he is with his Arizona State education, then gets owned hard by Bottomtooth, who then reveals that he's like 16, proving a teenager is smarter than an Arizona State graduate. That was a great thread.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81997
:)

[Red Hawk #21]

I love this vid but I dont hate the suns though, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYJGXpOV9DA

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Capitalize your "O", motherfucker.

hey, whats up man!

[history2b]

hey, whats up man!


Duncan owns Kobe?

How can a guy with a 4-2 lifetime record in the playoffs "own" the other player?

Perhaps he has more championships? :lmao

[mingus]

you automatically own someone when you make them cry after pounding them in a playoff series.

[pauls931]

Steve, for your own good, GTFO!!!!

[NRHector]

you automatically own someone when you make them cry after pounding them in a playoff series.don't forget Fisher

[lefty]

LMAO Nash

[Giuseppe]

LMAO Nash

The quitter.

[lefty]

The quitter.
That would be Kobe

[Giuseppe]

& Rodman, and Nash.