"Stackhouse was a man."

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, Im sure there weren't any Spurs fans who applauded Horry for taking out Nash.Probably. Wasn't crazy about that myself though -- and really, no one's opinion matters more than mine.

[ECZ]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89344

What's wrong with that? I weigh 450 lbs, I haven't seen my penis in 6 years, and I've never touched a woman's ladybits. The only thing that soothes such crushing disappointment in life is a KFC bowl.

:lol
:hungry:

[Findog]

Until this little outburst of yours, I actually had respect for your posts. Silly me.

Guess I have to never question the Spurs side of things to earn your respect. Pity the loss. :rolleyes

[gospursgojas]

:fro

[McMofo]

If Avery gets fired Pop will make him an assistant coach.

[urunobili]

If Avery gets fired Pop will make him an assistant coach.
i bet you he won;t... Pop is his friend but he would never let him threaten our lockeroom's chemistry

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

Could people be more like Manu please? Keep your cool, hit your free throws and let the others lose their cool, moan and get the technical foul.

It was just a hard foul, there's at least one like that in every NBA game.

[himat]

:lol
:hungry:

STFU that's nothing to laugh about.

Findog, you seem smart and good. Get a life together man, you can easily do it. Or is this a joke?

[Findog]

STFU that's nothing to laugh about.

Findog, you seem smart and good. Get a life together man, you can easily do it. Or is this a joke?

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89344

It's a joke.

[himat]

:lol I was too lazy to read that. Good, you had me scared there.

[urunobili]

STFU that's nothing to laugh about.

Findog, you seem smart and good. Get a life together man, you can easily do it. Or is this a joke?
it seems Fin has found a boyfriend... :married:

Spurs Talk "where making new friends happen"

:clap

[travis2]

Guess I have to never question the Spurs side of things to earn your respect. Pity the loss. :rolleyes

No, you just need to be a man and admit you can't answer a question put to you instead of being a little bitch.

You claim Ginobili drove Stackhouse to the ground while Stackhouse's left arm was wrapped around his neck. I want to know how he did it.

[himat]

it seems Fin has found a boyfriend... :married:

Spurs Talk "where making new friends happen"

:clap

You're the gay little bitch here.

[urunobili]

You're the gay little bitch here.
proudly so... :toast

[ECZ]

STFU that's nothing to laugh about.

Findog, you seem smart and good. Get a life together man, you can easily do it. Or is this a joke?


http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89344

It's a joke.

:lol

jeez, wtf is wrong with some of you guys...it was OBVIOUSLY a joke

I hope there is at least ONE person on this forum who doesn't act tough because of his/her post count, e-cash, and/or MOD status.

[Findog]

No, you just need to be a man and admit you can't answer a question put to you instead of being a little bitch.

You claim Ginobili drove Stackhouse to the ground while Stackhouse's left arm was wrapped around his neck. I want to know how he did it.

I watched the video last night and was relying on my memory. Just watched it again. From my viewing, it looks like Stackhouse takes exception to what Manu is doing with his flailing elbow and doesn't interpret it as incidental. He retaliates and the momentum carries them both to the floor. Point still stands, Manu knew what he was doing with his elbows. Boxing out is one thing, using your elbow as a weapon is another.

So I was wrong, Manu did not drive Stack to the floor after the boxout. He DID demonstrate poor body control and flail his elbow in a way that Stack didn't appreciate and lost his cool and overreacted. The point is the same, Manu does these sorts of things all the time that piss off opposing players. Of course you'll say that Manu was boxing out and going on pure instinct and had no intent to hurt or injure, just help secure the rebound for San Antonio. Thing is, Stack didn't think so and retailiated for a reason. What he did in response wasn't right, but I think the point also stands that Manu doesn't get the benefit of the doubt because of his history of flopping, exagerrating contact and using excessive contact in a way that opposing players don't appreciate.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I watched the video last night and was relying on my memory. Just watched it again. From my viewing, it looks like Stackhouse takes exception to what Manu is doing with his flailing elbow and doesn't interpret it as incidental. He retaliates and the momentum carries them both to the floor. Point still stands, Manu knew what he was doing with his elbows. Boxing out is one thing, using your elbow as a weapon is another.
:lmao! are you joking??

[peewee's lovechild]

All I know is that there will be plenty of whining when the Mavs fail to make it to the playoffs.

[Findog]

:lmao! are you joking??

Stack's been in the league 13 years now? How many times do you see him responding this way to getting boxed out? What he did was wrong, but in his mind it was retaliation.

I forgot, Manu is Jesus. He can do no wrong.

[Findog]

All I know is that there will be plenty of whining when the Mavs fail to make it to the playoffs.

Whining? We're getting a lottery pick for our troubles instead of getting drilled by the top seed. Why would we whine?

[koriwhat]

Stack's been in the league 13 years now? How many times do you see him responding this way to getting boxed out? What he did was wrong, but in his mind it was retaliation.

I forgot, Manu is Jesus. He can do no wrong.

no you mavfans are just fuckin idioctic.

[urunobili]

Stack's been in the league 13 years now? How many times do you see him responding this way to getting boxed out? What he did was wrong, but in his mind it was retaliation.

I forgot, Manu is Jesus. He can do no wrong.
damn stop justifying violence Fin... we all know you're better than that! this is getting old.... :depressed

[hater]

I watched the video last night and was relying on my memory. Just watched it again. From my viewing, it looks like Stackhouse takes exception to what Manu is doing with his flailing elbow and doesn't interpret it as incidental. He retaliates and the momentum carries them both to the floor. Point still stands, Manu knew what he was doing with his elbows. Boxing out is one thing, using your elbow as a weapon is another.

So I was wrong, Manu did not drive Stack to the floor after the boxout. He DID demonstrate poor body control and flail his elbow in a way that Stack didn't appreciate and lost his cool and overreacted. The point is the same, Manu does these sorts of things all the time that piss off opposing players. Of course you'll say that Manu was boxing out and going on pure instinct and had no intent to hurt or injure, just help secure the rebound for San Antonio. Thing is, Stack didn't think so and retailiated for a reason. What he did in response wasn't right, but I think the point also stands that Manu doesn't get the benefit of the doubt because of his history of flopping, exagerrating contact and using excessive contact in a way that opposing players don't appreciate.

I rewatched it like 10 times. There is no elbow from Manu. When you box out you are supposed to use your arms too.

Stackhouse got pissed that Manu was boxing him out with force and pulled Manu back with his right arm. Then once on the floor he pushed manus face into the ground.

both dirty moves by Stackhouse. no dirty move by Manu.

and you bringing up Manu's past flopping into this conversation just shows you are one dumb bastard

[TexSports]

I watched the play several times in slo mo and can see Ginoboli grab stackhouses hands and wrap them quickly around his throat (you have to look closely) then he extends his hands straight out as he pushes stackhouse to the floor with the back of his head. Manu was completely out of control and his nose could have injured someone, out of safety Stackhouse gently lowered Ginobili to the floor before anyone could be injured. It looks like Stackhouse is yelling something like, back off everyone, he's out of control! He then held Ginobilis head down to prevent his nose from puncturing somone.. I think that is what MAV fans are seeing and I think I am beginning see it, let me get one more rum and coke and watch it again....

Nope..... I don't see it, yet.

[duncan228]

I hope there is at least ONE person on this forum who doesn't act tough because of his/her post count, e-cash, and/or MOD status.

Welcome to SpursTalk. :)

Oh, there really aren't "mods" here.

[FromWayDowntown]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89344

It's a joke.

Isn't that a Patton Oswalt joke?

[hater]

Stack's been in the league 13 years now? How many times do you see him responding this way to getting boxed out? What he did was wrong, but in his mind it was retaliation.

I forgot, Manu is Jesus. He can do no wrong.

:lol Stackhouse and Terry have gotten more suspensions during their career than all the current SPurs combined.

[Findog]

damn stop justifying violence Fin... we all know you're better than that! this is getting old.... :depressed

How am I justifying it? What stack did was wrong. I don't understand why this is so hard to grasp

[Findog]

I rewatched it like 10 times. There is no elbow from Manu. When you box out you are supposed to use your arms too.

Wrong. You have to be careful where your elbows go. Players take exception to flying elbows. I got bitched at last week in a pickup game for using my elbows while setting a hard screen. The other guy didn't appreciate it and got in my face to let me know. It was totally unintentional on my part and I think he understood it, but it was a warning to be more careful.


and you bringing up Manu's past flopping into this conversation just shows you are one dumb bastard

Opposing players sure think the way Manu plays is relevant. Like I said, I don't see Stackhouse completely losing his shit over getting boxed out like that.

[Findog]

Isn't that a Patton Oswalt joke?

Yes.

[Cry Havoc]

Stack's been in the league 13 years now? How many times do you see him responding this way to getting boxed out? What he did was wrong, but in his mind it was retaliation.

I forgot, Manu is Jesus. He can do no wrong.

How many times have you seen Stack get boxed out by a "smaller" white boy, after blowing a big lead, while his team is suddenly in jeopardy of not making the playoffs, in the same game that earlier his team's best player went down with a really nasty looking injury?

[hater]

latino

[jmard5]

http://mavtalk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=236&sid=1c5ab1651186a3a4362f9bc949ae804e

[TexSports]

Are you saying the guy playing in the pick up game, should have grabbed you from behind and thrown you down for not having control of your body?

[urunobili]

some translation...


Wrong. You have to be careful where your elbows go. Players take exception to flying elbows. I got bitched at last week in a pickup game for using my elbows while setting a hard screen. The other guy didn't appreciate it and got in my face to let me know. It was totally unintentional on my part and I think he understood it, but it was a warning to be more careful. = getting ape shit owned on a pick up game and almost ass kicked... :frying:



Opposing players sure think the way Manu plays is relevant. Like I said, I don't see Stackhouse completely losing his shit over getting boxed out like that.
lol at considering Stack better than that :nope

[Findog]

Are you saying the guy playing in the pick up game, should have grabbed you from behind and thrown you down for not having control of your body?

No, but I can understand him being upset. I can understand Stack being upset, I can't condone what he did in response.

[Findog]

How many times have you seen Stack get boxed out by a "smaller" white boy, after blowing a big lead, while his team is suddenly in jeopardy of not making the playoffs, in the same game that earlier his team's best player went down with a really nasty looking injury?

How many times have you seen opposing players take exception to Manu's tactics? I didn't ask how many times opposing players use his face as a trampoline, I'm asking how many times do opposing players get upset over the way he controls, or doesn't control, as the case may be, his body?

[ChumpDumper]

Wrong. You have to be careful where your elbows go. Players take exception to flying elbows. I got bitched at last week in a pickup game for using my elbows while setting a hard screen. The other guy didn't appreciate it and got in my face to let me know. It was totally unintentional on my part and I think he understood it, but it was a warning to be more careful.Bullshit, you knew exactly what you were doing flailing around like that.




Opposing players sure think the way Manu plays is relevant. Like I said, I don't see Stackhouse completely losing his shit over getting boxed out like that.I do and yesterday, I did.

[ElNono]

Stack's been in the league 13 years now? How many times do you see him responding this way to getting boxed out? What he did was wrong, but in his mind it was retaliation.

I forgot, Manu is Jesus. He can do no wrong.

C'mon Findog, you know Stack better than that. He's got an history of being stupid:

The Mavericks' Jerry Stackhouse and the Jazz's Kirk Snyder were suspended a game without pay by the league yesterday for a postgame scuffle after Dallas's win over Utah on Saturday. Following the game, Stackhouse and Snyder scuffled in a hallway near the Jazz team bus.

LINK (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A44504-2005Apr11.html)

Detroit Pistons Christian Laettner and Jerry Stackhouse got into a fight aboard the team plane while returning from a game at Charlotte, a newspaper said Friday.

LINK (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/news/1999/04/23/pistons_fight/)

When Stackhouse was asked about Williams's comments, Stackhouse replied "Jerome Who?" He repeated it a couple of more times before disappearing into the locker room. The story goes that Williams approached Stackhouse while the two were getting dressed to leave the team's practice facility. Supposedly taking a threatening pose, Williams looked down on Stackhouse before the shooting guard slammed him into a cubicle and started jostling with Williams

LINK (http://books.google.com/books?id=bAdlvKCY6mwC&pg=PA66&lpg=PA66&dq=jerome+williams+stackhouse&source=web&ots=KdWR2g4U90&sig=-cjIO-QVmFwvaDpr_ZdRArytt-s&hl=en)

The NBA suspended San Antonio Spurs forward Robert Horry two games without pay for his role in a physical confrontation with Dallas Mavericks forward Jerry Stackhouse, in which the Mavericks say Horry bit Stackhouse on the arm. Replays of the incident showed Horry attempting to bite Stackhouse's arm, but Horry's teeth never made contact with Stackhouse's skin.

LINK (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2353401)

[Findog]

Bullshit, you knew exactly what you were doing flailing around like that.

I'm not crafty like Manu.

[Findog]

C'mon Findog, you know Stack better than that. He's got an history of being stupid:

The Mavericks' Jerry Stackhouse and the Jazz's Kirk Snyder were suspended a game without pay by the league yesterday for a postgame scuffle after Dallas's win over Utah on Saturday. Following the game, Stackhouse and Snyder scuffled in a hallway near the Jazz team bus.

LINK (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A44504-2005Apr11.html)

Detroit Pistons Christian Laettner and Jerry Stackhouse got into a fight aboard the team plane while returning from a game at Charlotte, a newspaper said Friday.

LINK (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/news/1999/04/23/pistons_fight/)

When Stackhouse was asked about Williams's comments, Stackhouse replied "Jerome Who?" He repeated it a couple of more times before disappearing into the locker room. The story goes that Williams approached Stackhouse while the two were getting dressed to leave the team's practice facility. Supposedly taking a threatening pose, Williams looked down on Stackhouse before the shooting guard slammed him into a cubicle and started jostling with Williams

LINK (http://books.google.com/books?id=bAdlvKCY6mwC&pg=PA66&lpg=PA66&dq=jerome+williams+stackhouse&source=web&ots=KdWR2g4U90&sig=-cjIO-QVmFwvaDpr_ZdRArytt-s&hl=en)

The NBA suspended San Antonio Spurs forward Robert Horry two games without pay for his role in a physical confrontation with Dallas Mavericks forward Jerry Stackhouse, in which the Mavericks say Horry bit Stackhouse on the arm. Replays of the incident showed Horry attempting to bite Stackhouse's arm, but Horry's teeth never made contact with Stackhouse's skin.

LINK (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2353401)

I never said that Stackhouse was a guy averse to throwing down.

[ElNono]

How many times have you seen opposing players take exception to Manu's tactics? I didn't ask how many times opposing players use his face as a trampoline, I'm asking how many times do opposing players get upset over the way he controls, or doesn't control, as the case may be, his body?

In the many, all the years Manu has played for the Spurs, only ONCE I've seen an opposing player bleed out of the flailing and elbowing you accuse Manu of. It was Ron Artest in a Sacto game. I've seen Manu bleed, or getting a black eye so many more times it's not even funny.

[hater]

I never said that Stackhouse was a guy averse to throwing down.


Stack's been in the league 13 years now? How many times do you see him responding this way to getting boxed out?

you're not too bright are you?

[Findog]

In the many, all the years Manu has played for the Spurs, only ONCE I've seen an opposing player bleed out of the flailing and elbowing you accuse Manu of. It was Ron Artest in a Sacto game. I've seen Manu bleed, or getting a black eye so many more times it's not even funny.

I'm aware of that, the most recent that comes to mind is G3 against Phoenix last year. And I'm not really pissed about what he did, it's par for the course with him. Both guys shrugged it off as in the heat of the battle, although Stackhouse came out looking worse.

[Findog]

you're not too bright are you?

How many times before yesterday has Stackhouse reacted like this to just a boxout? I didn't ask how many times did he confront Kirk Snyder in the locker room for throwing illegal elbows, how many times he punched Christian Laettner on a team plane for cheating at cards, how many times he went up to Antoine Walker during a game and told him to STFU or he'd kick his ass. Stack is unquestionably nuts, not a guy whose sister you would want to accidentally sleep with. Not everybody would react the way he did, but most guys would get just as angry. How is this so hard to understand?

My only point here is that Manu is not well liked by opposing players because they believe this stuff isn't incidental. You can debate that till the cows come home. It's the same thing with Bowen, a trip here or an elbow there may be no big deal, but it's perceived as being part of a pattern. How is that so hard to concede?

[WalterBenitez]

How many times before yesterday has Stackhouse reacted like this to just a boxout? I didn't ask how many times did he confront Kirk Snyder in the locker room for throwing illegal elbows, how many times he punched Christian Laettner on a team plane for cheating at cards, how many times he went up to Antoine Walker during a game and told him to STFU or he'd kick his ass. Stack is unquestionably nuts, not a guy whose sister you would want to accidentally sleep with. Not everybody would react the way he did, but most guys would get just as angry. How is this so hard to understand?

My only point here is that Manu is not well liked by opposing players because they believe this stuff isn't incidental. You can debate that till the cows come home. It's the same thing with Bowen, a trip here or an elbow there may be no big deal, but it's perceived as being part of a pattern. How is that so hard to concede?

An your evidence is... :rolleyes

[hater]

How many times before yesterday has Stackhouse reacted like this to just a boxout? I didn't ask how many times did he confront Kirk Snyder in the locker room for throwing illegal elbows, how many times he punched Christian Laettner on a team plane for cheating at cards, how many times he went up to Antoine Walker during a game and told him to STFU or he'd kick his ass. Stack is unquestionably nuts, not a guy whose sister you would want to accidentally sleep with. Not everybody would react the way he did, but most guys would get just as angry. How is this so hard to understand?

My only point here is that Manu is not well liked by opposing players because they believe this stuff isn't incidental. You can debate that till the cows come home. It's the same thing with Bowen, a trip here or an elbow there may be no big deal, but it's perceived as being part of a pattern. How is that so hard to concede?

that's it? sure I concede Manu is not well liked by opponents. because he makes them look stupid then beats them. even he said he's not in the NBA to make friends.

now you concede that what stackhouse did was dirty and worthy of a suspension

[Cry Havoc]

How many times before yesterday has Stackhouse reacted like this to just a boxout?

And how many times has Manu initiated contact that caused another player to attempt to physically assault him while he's lying prone on the ground? I can play the "there's no history of this" game too.

[Findog]

that's it? sure I concede Manu is not well liked by opponents. because he makes them look stupid then beats them. even he said he's not in the NBA to make friends.

now you concede that what stackhouse did was dirty and worthy of a suspension

I haven't backtracked on anything. Go back to the beginning of this thread, I've consistently refused to defend Stack's response. His anger is understandable, losing his cool is not.

[hater]

I haven't backtracked on anything. Go back to the beginning of this thread, I've consistently refused to defend Stack's response. His anger is understandable, losing his cool is not.

was it dirty?

[DAINTX]

we should take dirk off mav hands

Stoudamire for Dirk, straight up. That seems like a fair trade. Dirk may have a little more skill, but Damon probably has more heart. OK, maybe the Mavs would have to kick in a few $M, but most would go for that, right? :lol

[GrandeDavid]

Avery is cheap. I don't think his jersey should be hanging in the rafters.

[Avitus1]

I can't wait till Avery gets fired.

[Findog]

I can't wait till Avery gets fired.

April 17th or 18th.

[Kindergarten Cop]

April 17th or 18th.

Do you really think that Avery will be fired at season's end?

[bigfundamental21]

I think it starts from the top down. I think Cuban's stupidity infiltrates the entire Mavs organization. Avery is just a mentally weak coach and is susceptible to Cuban's idiocy.
Hell yeah, it all starts with Cuban :donkey .

Avery is not thinking about the Spurs when he says stupid crap like that. He is trying to make his boss happy. He can't say anything different or his job is gone. Either way, he may lose his job if he can't right the ship.

As for unretiring his jersey.... i don't agree. Avery's time as a Spurs player has nothing to do with his time as a mavs coach. he's just being a homer.

[Findog]

Do you really think that Avery will be fired at season's end?

Unless Dirk gets healthy real quick and this team improbably makes a deep playoff run, Avery is done. And he'll be gone for the cumulative effect of getting successively outcoached by Riley and Nellie, which isn't that bad because those are two of the keenest basketball minds around, but also making the strategic decision to "do like the Spurs do" and mess around with rotation and sub patterns early on. It turns out wins were precious in the West this year, and wouldn't it be nice to have back those early season losses to shit teams now that we can't survive Dirk being out so long? That SPAM shit works for San Antonio, but we have to find our own approach.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Unless Dirk gets healthy real quick and this team improbably makes a deep playoff run, Avery is done. And he'll be gone for the cumulative effect of getting successively outcoached by Riley and Nellie, which isn't that bad because those are two of the keenest basketball minds around, but also making the strategic decision to "do like the Spurs do" and mess around with rotation and sub patterns early on. It turns out wins were precious in the West this year, and wouldn't it be nice to have back those early season losses to shit teams now that we can't survive Dirk being out so long? That SPAM shit works for San Antonio, but we have to find our own approach.

Yep, Avery should get fired. It's his fault his chump ass owner went out and ditched its two best defenders to get a geriatric point guard and fucked up the team chemistry.

[Findog]

Yep, Avery should get fired. It's his fault his chump ass owner went out and ditched its two best defenders to get a geriatric point guard and fucked up the team chemistry.

Great take. You don't know anything about the Mavs.

[Findog]

Also, here's a friendly tip AHF, but you're an even bigger douche than the Mav trolls on this board and the annoying bandwagon fans you're surrounded by in Dallas. It's a great way to make your case by engaging in the exact behavior you claim to detest in our fanbase. Not every Mav fan is trying to insert sand in your vagina. Some of us just want to talk hoops. You don't have to get into a defensive stance just because "Dallas Mavericks" appears under my screen name and avatar. I'm not here to push anyone's buttons or rile anybody up. Most Spurs fans are pretty knowledgeable to talk basketball with. If you want to stay in the shallow end of the pool, why not just hang out in the Troll Cave?

[ChuckD]

Stackhouse was wrong to do what he did. How many times do I have to state that? But like he said, this is nothing new with Ginobili. He's not a completely innocent party to the altercation, just a bit craftier and wiser.
You've just defined the line between champions and "other teams". Too bad (for you, anyways) the Mavs are on the other side of it. EVERY champion team does this. They also DON'T react when the other team does this, or something worse, like Stack's takedown.

Once you lose your cool, you're done. What Stack basically said was "I can't win against Ginobili playing physical basketball, so I am forced to turn this into WWE", which, considering that he plays for Cuban, shouldn't be much of a surprise.

[ChuckD]

Great take. You don't know anything about the Mavs.
You know, you people keep saying that, but I have to be honest with you: the date of that trade may just be made into a San Antonio municipal holiday. The Mavs had achieved separation and an edge, and they fucking voluntarily gave it up.

Point guard is one of the toughest positions to truly learn int he NBA, and it can sometimes take 5-6 years to truly learn the position. Look at Chauncey Billups. He was considered a bust, and Detroit got him as a backup. That's why you go and get veteran mentors at the position. You go and get someone who is willing to play a role and 25 minutes when Harris is fucking up, and then is willing to play 5 minutes when he's single handedly destroying SA.

[debo]

Of course he was wrong. So was Ginobili for excessive contact on the box out.

you mean he PURPOSELY shoved his body up against Stackhouse in order to secure a rebound?


:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :rolleyes

[T Park]

Im amazed that stack's hand on manu's chest is a result of manu flaling backwards, and "pulling" stack down.

Amazing how Manu can do that all over the place.

[hater]

was it dirty?

answer my question dog. was stackhouse's retaliation dirty?

[Findog]

answer my question dog. was stackhouse's retaliation dirty?

Of course it was. If you had bothered to read my posts in this thread, would it lead you to a different conclusion?

[Findog]

You know, you people keep saying that, but I have to be honest with you: the date of that trade may just be made into a San Antonio municipal holiday. The Mavs had achieved separation and an edge, and they fucking voluntarily gave it up.

Time will tell. You don't get a title for just beating San Antonio, and you have to advance far enough into the playoffs to face the Spurs. I wasn't in favor of the trade because of the age difference. And the team around Kidd in Dallas is not the best fit for his skills. He was much more effective in the motion Princeton offense that New Jersey runs instead of the iso sets the Mavs have.

But I will say this: the Mavs go as far as Dirk takes them, and with Kidd here, his production was up, way up, back to the MVP level of the last two years. He's going to be 30 this summer, and they wanted to get a point guard that could get him easier looks. He hasn't had that since Nash has left, and he's had to create for himself. It's about conserving him as much as anything. Right now the foundation for the next two years is Dirk and Kidd. They have a lot of work to do to surround them with the right kind of supporting cast. But they probably weren't going to win a title with what they had, the feeling was that they had plateaued by going to the Finals and winning 67 games. The rest of the league had figured the Mavs out, and at that point you learn to execute better or get different personnel.

The other caveat with Harris is that he's extremely injury prone, and they were going to have to roll based on his health and availability for every spring.

[Findog]

I hope somebody on the Mavs gets Kidd a shooting coach during the off season.. if he can start making 15 foot jumpers next year the Mavs will be one scary team.

He's been in the League 15 years. He is what he is. He's a decent 3-point shooter, he's obviously worked on that set-shot from the wings. It's his midrange jumper that sucks.

[marini martini]

crackhouse went down on manus neck for god 's sake! and kept his palm on manus neck to bring himself up, which could have very well have killed him. WTF? That's gansta, guys! And your freaking gang leader is "no can dance cuban" with second leutenant avery? Phishhhhhhhhhaw :dramaquee Makes me embarrased to claim dallas as a city in TEXAS :toast

[GaryJohnston]

Shame on Avery for that statement. But I'm sure he was just frustrated.

[sassystriker]

Stackhouse is just a dickhead. We can't do anything about him, he just doesn't have a breeding. Look at him, he was the one who looked foolish out there for losing his cool. He is too stupid, did he expect Manu to just let him have the ball and say " Ok Stacky, you're bigger than I am, so I'll just stand here while you grab the ball". Dumb! Of course Manu would fight him for that. This is basketball they are playing not chess, its a physical game, body banging and accidents are ever present on court. You've just gotta outwit and outplay other players to make the game yours. If he can't handle the competitiveness and the pressure of the game, he's better off cleaning the floor where he'd have less competition.

Avery always forgets to think before he say something. That big mouth of his just have to be taped up permanently.

P.S. Van Gundy is ridiculously stupid and a no brainer!

[kuato]

1) The Bad Boys actually tried to injure opposing players. That's a step beyond hard-nosed play. Like I said, there's a reason you can't get away now with the shit they tried to pull.

2) Basketball is a much more pleasing sport to watch than rugby. I don't want to watch 200-198 Paul Westhead track meets without any defense whatsover, but I also don't want to watch a bunch of pussies compensate for their overall lack of talent by injuring opposing players in lieu of playing basketball. ----> Did you saw the U.S.A vs Argentina match on the olympics ? , remember Marbury hitting Fabri´s hand.

[Manu-of-steel]

Of course he was wrong. So was Ginobili for excessive contact on the box out. Manu was trying to goad Stack into losing his cool, and he succeeded. But let's put to bed this "Manu is an innocent angel" horseshit.
Stack has a history of losing his cool, even without provocation-remember when he broke the eye socket of joe johnson? it was stack who did it. manu? he was doing his role which is to box out-have you ever heard of that word before?

[hsxvvd]

squeeky little fucker.

[travis2]

I watched the video last night and was relying on my memory. Just watched it again. From my viewing, it looks like Stackhouse takes exception to what Manu is doing with his flailing elbow and doesn't interpret it as incidental. He retaliates and the momentum carries them both to the floor. Point still stands, Manu knew what he was doing with his elbows. Boxing out is one thing, using your elbow as a weapon is another.

So I was wrong, Manu did not drive Stack to the floor after the boxout. He DID demonstrate poor body control and flail his elbow in a way that Stack didn't appreciate and lost his cool and overreacted. The point is the same, Manu does these sorts of things all the time that piss off opposing players. Of course you'll say that Manu was boxing out and going on pure instinct and had no intent to hurt or injure, just help secure the rebound for San Antonio. Thing is, Stack didn't think so and retailiated for a reason. What he did in response wasn't right, but I think the point also stands that Manu doesn't get the benefit of the doubt because of his history of flopping, exagerrating contact and using excessive contact in a way that opposing players don't appreciate.

All right, that's more like it. Now, we can agree to disagree on whether he was "flailing" or not. Frankly, I don't think his elbow was that high...sure, it was high, but not like he was going after his face or anything. It was up around the shoulder, not the face. No, it was just hard work on the floor boxing out.

Frankly, I think Stackhouse was pissed that Manu was actually working him for the rebound instead of just letting him have his space. Well, that and the fact that the Spurs were making a run after being down 12. He's a legend in his own mind.

[SouthernFried]

Great Defense always pisses off the other team. If you've ever played basketball, you really hated that guy that was all over you..."you cheap dirty bastard...stay away from me!!"

and so it goes...

[m33p0]

i dunno know if shithouse was ever a man, but he sure is a bitch now.

[m33p0]

Great Defense always pisses off the other team. If you've ever played basketball, you really hated that guy that was all over you..."you cheap dirty bastard...stay away from me!!"

and so it goes...
:tu

[cash459]

Great Defense always pisses off the other team. If you've ever played basketball, you really hated that guy that was all over you..."you cheap dirty bastard...stay away from me!!"

and so it goes...

:toast :clap :toast

THAT is exactly what it was. Some NBA players nowadays forget that there is a thing called hustle and defense. they expect other players to just LET them make plays or not try hard 100% of the time. carmelo anthony, allen iverson & ray allen are perfect examples. all of them :cry

[LilMissSPURfect]

Great Defense always pisses off the other team. If you've ever played basketball, you really hated that guy that was all over you..."you cheap dirty bastard...stay away from me!!"

and so it goes...

THIS SHOULD B PUT IN ROCK SOMEWHERE (like in wah wah allen's locker & melo & AI.....)

TSHIRTS maybe....


PLAY or BE PLAYED! :toast :toast

[SAGambler]

:toast :clap :toast

THAT is exactly what it was. Some NBA players nowadays forget that there is a thing called hustle and defense. they expect other players to just LET them make plays or not try hard 100% of the time. carmelo anthony, allen iverson & ray allen are perfect examples. all of them :cry

Well, I don't know so much about Iverson. That lil fuker takes a lot of hits and keeps on coming. But for sure Melo and Ray Ray are a couple of whiny bitches that lose their cool when you play tight defense on them. And actually why I wonder if Boston will make it to the Finals.

Refs are starting to let teams play hard now, so you can just imagine what the playoffs are going to be like. How long before Ray Ray loses his composure and blows up? Once you rattle him, he becomes worthless on the court.

[Cherry]

THIS SHOULD B PUT IN ROCK SOMEWHERE (like in wah wah allen's locker & melo & AI.....)

TSHIRTS maybe....


PLAY or BE PLAYED! :toast :toast




http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/535/playjs8.jpg

[LilMissSPURfect]

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/535/playjs8.jpg


its what I'm talkin bout!

[SAGambler]

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/535/playjs8.jpg


But the pic should be Manu up faking at the 3 pt line, with a player flying at him, and Manu saying "Don't you idiots ever learn"? "Gotcha again"....

[LilMissSPURfect]

But the pic should be Manu up faking at the 3 pt line, with a player flying at him, and Manu saying "Don't you idiots ever learn"? "Gotcha again"....


get 'er done! photoshop

make sum chirts...

[Cherry]

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/48/play2eg9.jpg


http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/92/play3cl7.jpg

[tmtcsc]

Not you specifically, but the entire tenor of this thread: "How dare he retaliate against our poor Manu!"


Go back and watch the game if you have it recorded. Watch the elbows and shoves that Manu takes...especially after the incident with Stack. Ginobili doesn't retaliate with shoves and punches. If the ref doesn't blow the whistle, then its no harm. It' s tough, hard basketball and thats it. Nothing personal.

The difference is, Manu gets it. He understands. He won't let his emotions hurt his team. Need proof ? Look at the Medals and Rings.

[Findog]

Need proof ? Look at the Medals and Rings.

Manu is a great player, never said otherwise. I don't care about FIBA. He'll never lead a team to a title, but he's got Duncan on his side. He would be the first one to say so.

[Cherry]

He'll never lead a team to a title

Well, at least "Poor Manu" is doing his part :D

[urunobili]

Manu is a great player, never said otherwise. I don't care about FIBA. He'll never lead a team to a title, but he's got Duncan on his side. He would be the first one to say so.
ROFL i thought you knew more about basketball... he LEAD Argentina to defeat an ALL STAR team USA team on the biggest international stage and you bring this crap.... you need a break Fin... 4 real...

[Findog]

ROFL i thought you knew more about basketball... he LEAD Argentina to defeat an ALL STAR team USA team on the biggest international stage and you bring this crap.... you need a break Fin... 4 real...

Again, Manu is a great player. No argument from me on that point. But it's not that surprising that Argentina would beat the US under FIBA rules. Duncan is not as effective in FIBA play. The US would slaughter all comers under NBA rules.

[MrChug]

I started disliking Avery even more when he decided to drag on his retirement jersey acceptance speech an extra 40 fkn minutes. :bang

[Twisted_Dawg]

Findog....I respect your tenacity.

But how much fucking time have you spent on this thread?

[Findog]

Findog....I respect your tenacity.

But how much fucking time have you spent on this thread?

I usually avoid these kinds of threads in the Spurs section of the board, but I like the give and take sometimes.

[Obstructed_View]

Didn't Stackhouse say that Manu's game is to grab and pull? I guess he thinks nobody saw him grab Manu's shorts on a fast break in the first half.

[dg7md]

Long story short, Stack was right in playing Manu tough, even a hard foul would be respected, however what he did was vicious and could have easily injured his neck, could have even snapped if if Manu's head was titled at a slightly different angle.

[JustSpurs]

Findog....I respect your tenacity.

But how much fucking time have you spent on this thread?


Nothing like padding your post count....

[dav4463]

I think it starts from the top down. I think Cuban's stupidity infiltrates the entire Mavs organization. Avery is just a mentally weak coach and is susceptible to Cuban's idiocy. As far I can remember, Nellie obviously wasn't. I think Cuban will find himself selling the team after he fires the next coach after Avery and can't turn the team around to championship-level basketball again (two or three more years tops). He just interferes too much into the court decision-making aspects of the team.

Avery needs some time as an assistant somewhere to learn how to more mentally tough and how to better interact with players. But I think he has shown flashes of what it takes to be a good coach, he just needs more training.


Great post! Let's read it again.....

I think Avery has just been "running with the wrong crowd (cuban, mavs)" and can still be saved. He's still a Spur at heart but he kisses cuban's butt. He needs to "BE A MAN" like Nelson, and not take cuban's crap.

[Manudona]

I watched the video last night and was relying on my memory. Just watched it again. From my viewing, it looks like Stackhouse takes exception to what Manu is doing with his flailing elbow and doesn't interpret it as incidental. He retaliates and the momentum carries them both to the floor. Point still stands, Manu knew what he was doing with his elbows. Boxing out is one thing, using your elbow as a weapon is another.

So I was wrong, Manu did not drive Stack to the floor after the boxout. He DID demonstrate poor body control and flail his elbow in a way that Stack didn't appreciate and lost his cool and overreacted. The point is the same, Manu does these sorts of things all the time that piss off opposing players. Of course you'll say that Manu was boxing out and going on pure instinct and had no intent to hurt or injure, just help secure the rebound for San Antonio. Thing is, Stack didn't think so and retailiated for a reason. What he did in response wasn't right, but I think the point also stands that Manu doesn't get the benefit of the doubt because of his history of flopping, exagerrating contact and using excessive contact in a way that opposing players don't appreciate.


Today Dwight Howard boxed out Thomas, who ended up with blood in his face thanks to carefully positioned Superman elbows while boxing him out for a rebound, the funny thing is that KT did not take exception and tried to choke him, but went to the bench and put ice on it (or just some towel). Now before you counter saying that is different for DH is very good controlling his elbows and that was just a coincidence, remember that in the very same match he INJURED (for real, not like the fantasies about Manu) his OWN teammate, who was knocked down AND IT IS NOT THE FIRST TIME HE DOES THAT TO A TEAMMATE, in fact is the second time to the very same teammate, as you can read here Here (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/basketball/magic/orl-magic2608mar26,0,6022703.story)

Yet, nobody is even mentioning it, but if the player who does that is Manu (I wonder is is just for he is white an hispanic?) then hell raisers abound.

[DazedAndConfused]

It is no coincidence that nearly every game someone is trying to take out Manu Ginobli at some point.

[Manudona]

It is no coincidence that nearly every game someone is trying to take out Manu Ginobli at some point.

Like today? Manu dare to steal the ball from Superman so he tried to "take him out" give me a break, usually the ones trying to take him out are the ones that believe they are the shit and can not tolerate that a skinny white guy that I am sure they just consider a "flopper" schools them. Blame Karl and the media.

[dg7md]

It is no coincidence that nearly every game someone is trying to take out Manu Ginobli at some point.

But like THAT? That wasn't a tough foul to the basket, that was a neck pin down at an awkward angle.

[Obstructed_View]

I guess the league wasn't looking at Stackhouse's reputation after all, but instead was responding to the outcry of opposing fans. Since nobody really fears Jerry Stackhouse, and since they are probably a better team without him, there was no outcry, and subsequently no suspension. Meanwhile the Suns are going public about how the officials are out to get them.

[smeagol]

It is no coincidence that nearly every game someone is trying to take out Manu Ginobli at some point.
Because he has kicked some asses in the NBA since 2003. And that is something big headed NBA stars don't like.

[doldrums]

Because he has kicked some asses in the NBA since 2003. And that is something big headed NBA stars don't like.

it's also xenophobia. Like "How can some Argentine kick my ass when it's our nation's sport"

[Agloco]

I think it starts from the top down. I think Cuban's stupidity infiltrates the entire Mavs organization. Avery is just a mentally weak coach and is susceptible to Cuban's idiocy. As far I can remember, Nellie obviously wasn't. I think Cuban will find himself selling the team after he fires the next coach after Avery and can't turn the team around to championship-level basketball again (two or three more years tops). He just interferes too much into the court decision-making aspects of the team.

Avery needs some time as an assistant somewhere to learn how to more mentally tough and how to better interact with players. But I think he has shown flashes of what it takes to be a good coach, he just needs more training.

Best take so far.

The Cuban effect causes people to act like complete morons. Too bad Avery can't break out of the circle of friends up there.