AOC should leave the Democratic Party

[Will Hunting]

Steyer is beginning to grow on me tbh which is surprising since I’m typically not a fan of the oligarch candidates, but he seems really electable and is genuinely intent on addressing climate change.

[AaronY]

These are all intentionally obtuse strawman arguments ignoring what the Biden critics are complaining about

The current complaints are about how he is willing and wants to work with Republicans which is smart as....well you know...factually its what normal people want

"More than eight in 10 voters believe “compromise and common ground should be the goal for political leaders” (87% agree, including 64% strongly agree)"

http://politics.georgetown.edu/press...ease-oct-2019/


so its good to pay lip service to even if it is ultimately not likely to happen. Same thing with the "I would appoint a Republican as VP" thing which is obviously just lip service as he's not going to do that.

The other complaint is Buttigieg is a Republican as he "only" supports free college for those making less than $100k and "only" wants the public option

[spurraider21]

These are all intentionally obtuse strawman arguments ignoring what the Biden critics are complaining about

next one gonna be:

people are calling biden a republican... and look, he's registered as a DEMOCRAT

lol destroyed

[spurraider21]

This is how you get President Trump reelected.

nominating a centrist to run against him?

[spurraider21]

The current complaints are about how he is willing and wants to work with Republicans which is smart as....well you know...factually its what normal people want

"More than eight in 10 voters believe “compromise and common ground should be the goal for political leaders” (87% agree, including 64% strongly agree)"

http://politics.georgetown.edu/press...ease-oct-2019/


so its good to pay lip service to even if it is ultimately not likely to happen. Same thing with the "I would appoint a Republican as VP" thing which is obviously just lip service as he's not going to do that.

The other complaint is Buttigieg is a Republican as he "only" supports free college for those making less than $100k and "only" wants the public option

whats this based on tho... because kamala said so?

[DarrinS]

Dems should keep moving further left.

[Chris]

Remember how much negative press Trump got (and still gets)? He won. AOC could be simply a name on a sheet of paper but all the hoopla about her does all the campaigning for her.

Justice Democrats take care of their own when it comes to publicity. Zack Exley is in bed with social media platforms and cutting edge algorithms that either enhance or effectively erase content.

[AaronY]

whats this based on tho... because kamala said so?

Progressive critiques of Biden being out of touch by saying he wants to work with Republicans. How on Earth have you not heard these? have you vacationed on another planet the past year??

[spurraider21]

Progressive critiques of Biden being out of touch by saying he wants to work with Republicans. How on Earth have you not heard these? have you vacationed on another planet the past year??

again, where are you getting this from? kamala at the debate? or just random tweets

[ChumpDumper]

nominating a centrist to run against him?

Party infighting and true Scotsmanning. Was talking about the whole direction of the thread.

[Will Hunting]

The current complaints are about how he is willing and wants to work with Republicans which is smart as....well you know...factually its what normal people want

"More than eight in 10 voters believe “compromise and common ground should be the goal for political leaders” (87% agree, including 64% strongly agree)"

http://politics.georgetown.edu/press...ease-oct-2019/


so its good to pay lip service to even if it is ultimately not likely to happen. Same thing with the "I would appoint a Republican as VP" thing which is obviously just lip service as he's not going to do that.

The other complaint is Buttigieg is a Republican as he "only" supports free college for those making less than $100k and "only" wants the public option

Re Buttplug I’ve said numerous times here that calling him some kind of ultra moderate is dumb - he’s not Warren or Sanders but he’s plenty progressive.

that poll about compromise...is that how Trump got elected, by promising compromise and common ground? When you’re polling the average American about compromise they’re not going to admit to themselves “yeah the other party I don’t want compromise”, they’re going to give the sensible answer.

Might as well do a poll asking Americans “Do you think the next president should aim to end world hunger and obtain world peace?”.....then after 9 out of 10 people say yes the Dems should nominate the next Miss America since she’ll be passionate about world hunger and world peace

[AaronY]

again, where are you getting this from? kamala at the debate? or just random tweets

My man "Joe Biden is out of touch because he wants to work with Republicans" is an entire cottage industry. There are hundreds of article about it. Lol Dear God, do you follow politics at all?

[spurraider21]

Party infighting and true Scotsmanning. Was talking about the whole direction of the thread.

yeah... its not as big a deal is you want to make it to be

sure, something like what, 12% of sanders primary voters went on to vote for trump? 25% of hillary's 08 primary voters went on to vote for mccain. obama still crushed.

[Reck]

so he’s less conservative than two conservative swing state/red state Democrats in the Senate in recent years? Shocker.

Let me guess, he’s also more liberal than Claire McCaskill, Doug Jones and Joe Manchin

My point is to AOC that Biden should be a Republican.

This is the other link I posted which shows a graph of his political alignment.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/mem...h_biden/300008

Consistently to the left, no? He’s no Bernie Sanders to be sure but his supporters like to throw the word around like Biden is a bonafide Republican.

I’m even starting to see Obama being tagged as a conservative these days. And that may as well be with today’s standards.

[ChumpDumper]

yeah... its not as big a deal is you want to make it to be

We'll see.

Only took 70k votes in the right places last time.

[spurraider21]

My man "Joe Biden is out of touch because he wants to work with Republicans" is an entire cottage industry. There are hundreds of article about it. Lol Dear God, do you follow politics at all?

3 posts now without anything but "its common knowledge, bro"

thats derp level stuff

[spurraider21]

We'll see.

Only took 70k votes in the right places last time.

what about the rest of the post you quoted?

[ChumpDumper]

what about the rest of the post you quoted?

Going on to vote versus not voting at all?

Any numbers for that?

[AaronY]

3 posts now without anything but "its common knowledge, bro"

thats derp level stuff

Here's articles discussion the controversy about Joe Biden's compromise comments:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/19/o...cans-2020.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-trump/604432/


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/02/o...publicans.html
https://www.wsj.com/articles/democra...se-11577823966


https://www.latimes.com/opinion/ente...620-story.html

https://theweek.com/speedreads/85970...ublicans-there

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...esident-227250

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ackfire-226758

[Will Hunting]

My point is to AOC that Biden should be a Republican.

This is the other link I posted which shows a graph of his political alignment.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/mem...h_biden/300008

Consistently to the left, no? He’s no Bernie Sanders to be sure but his supporters like to throw the word around like Biden is a bonafide Republican.

I’m even starting to see Obama being tagged as a conservative these days. And that may as well be with today’s standards.

I have no idea what your point is, I was commenting on whatever the article was you posted that compared Biden to some of the most notoriously right-wing Democrats in recent memory as a way if trying to show he’s some kind of hard-line Democrat.

[AaronY]

Mad because he didnt know about the 87% want compromise and common ground fact

my man if you think the average American is in for constant culture wars and people dunking on each other over and over and basically constant chaos Wow. One is out of touch I guess. To normies someone who is willing to take care of the country and help politicians get along so they dont have to worry about it is appealing. The constantly online activist wing is not representative of the normal

[Will Hunting]

Party infighting and true Scotsmanning. Was talking about the whole direction of the thread.

I used to think this but just don’t see it anymore after 2016. The Republican primary was as nasty as primary debates get but in the end Republicans turned out their base better than the Democrats did. In a political climate as polarizing as were in nastiness and infighting seems to be what draws voter interest.

[spurraider21]

Going on to vote versus not voting at all?

Any numbers for that?

yes. virtually the same. more 08 clintonites stayed home and more 08 clintonites defected to the republican candidate

[Reck]

How about the point that Biden is an actual Democrat who voted with them something like 85+ percent of the time?

How’s that for clear?

[spurraider21]

Here's articles discussion the controversy about Joe Biden's compromise comments:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/19/o...cans-2020.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-trump/604432/


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/02/o...publicans.html
https://www.wsj.com/articles/democra...se-11577823966


https://www.latimes.com/opinion/ente...620-story.html

https://theweek.com/speedreads/85970...ublicans-there

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...esident-227250

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ackfire-226758

yeah and just about all of these pieces are supporting what biden says. not seeing how this is "his biggest criticism"