NYT endorses Warren & Klobuchar

[Will Hunting]

I mean I'm with you on " Bloomberg" but I can't think of a single thing that makes a Trump reelection preferable to a Bloomberg presidency.

- Better results in the 2022 senate midterms if Trump is still in office making Democrats angry
- Better long term if the recession that’s like to hit prior to 2024 gets blamed on a Republican

Before voting for Bloomberg I’d want to know what kind of Supreme Court justices he’s picking. If he’s going the corporatist route and picks justices who agree with the citizens united ruling (god knows he clearly wants the rich to be able to control elections) then the above two factors are reason enough to vote for Trump over Bloomberg.

[Reck]

- Better results in the 2022 senate midterms if Trump is still in office making Democrats angry
- Better long term if the recession that’s like to hit prior to 2024 gets blamed on a Republican

Before voting for Bloomberg I’d want to know what kind of Supreme Court justices he’s picking. If he’s going the corporatist route and picks justices who agree with the citizens united ruling (god knows he clearly wants the rich to be able to control elections) then the above two factors are reason enough to vote for Trump over Bloomberg.

The right answer is vote for niether.

I see Bloomberg as an extension of what Trump is. Maybe less radical but still cut from the same cloth.

The wait and see approach is nonsense. Why would democrats be any more or less angry in 2 years from now if Trump's still in office? What makes you think people will start blaming Trump and his puppet senators in 4 years if the recession hits? Like what thay've done up to this point is not cause enough to vote them the out?

Trump would find a way to blame anyone but himself if a recession hits us. Have we learned nothing from these past 3 years?

In my opinion if we dont at least get rid of Trump and gain a few seats in the senate this year, it's not going to happen in the next cycle either.

[Will Hunting]

The right answer is vote for niether.

I see Bloomberg as an extension of what Trump is. Maybe less radical but still cut from the same cloth.

The wait and see approach is nonsense. Why would democrats be any more or less angry in 2 years from now if Trump's still in office? What makes you think people will start blaming Trump and his puppet senators in 4 years if the recession hits? Like what thay've done up to this point is not cause enough to vote them the out?

Trump would find a way to blame anyone but himself if a recession hits us. Have we learned nothing from these past 3 years?

In my opinion if we dont at least get rid of Trump and gain a few seats in the senate this year, it's not going to happen in the next cycle either.

Are you really going to try and argue that Democrats don’t completely the pooch in turning out for mid term elections when it’s their guy in the whitehouse? If a bland moderate like Bloomberg wins the Democrats will get trounced in midterm elections worse than they even did with Obama.

[Reck]

Are you really going to try and argue that Democrats don’t completely the pooch in turning out for mid term elections when it’s their guy in the whitehouse? If a bland moderate like Bloomberg wins the Democrats will get trounced in midterm elections worse than they even did with Obama.

I'm not saying they dont. But you're banking on anger as if Republicans aren't better at playing the angry card better than us. I mean rofl they won the presidency on it and they are still angry for some reason.

[spurraider21]

- Better results in the 2022 senate midterms if Trump is still in office making Democrats angry
- Better long term if the recession that’s like to hit prior to 2024 gets blamed on a Republican

Before voting for Bloomberg I’d want to know what kind of Supreme Court justices he’s picking. If he’s going the corporatist route and picks justices who agree with the citizens united ruling (god knows he clearly wants the rich to be able to control elections) then the above two factors are reason enough to vote for Trump over Bloomberg.

Bloomberg’s justice selection would be preferable to anyone trump would pick

[Will Hunting]

Bloomberg’s justice selection would be preferable to anyone trump would pick

Definitely wouldn’t be worse but I’m not convinced it’d be better. Bloomberg is every bit as much of a small government deregulation friendly corporatist as Trump is.

[spurraider21]

Definitely wouldn’t be worse but I’m not convinced it’d be better. Bloomberg is every bit as much of a small government deregulation friendly corporatist as Trump is.

he's never going to put a gorsuch/kavanaugh, man. i get what you're saying but its a false equivalence

[Will Hunting]

I'm not saying they dont. But you're banking on anger as if Republicans aren't better at playing the angry card better than us. I mean rofl they won the presidency on it and they are still angry for some reason.

That wasn’t what I was saying, my bad for using the word angry when it’s not literally what I meant.

In 2018 they were angry but Democrats basically matched Republicans in turnout. If Trump wins, I’d expect something similar in 2022 unless there’s an economic downturn before then in which case I’d expect independents/moderates to be landsiide in favor of the Dems like they were in 2006. If Bloomberg wins though the Dems get trounced in 2022 no matter what.

[Will Hunting]

he's never going to put a gorsuch/kavanaugh, man. i get what you're saying but its a false equivalence

I could easily see him appointing a Gorsuch or Kavanaugh (two guys his besty Pat Toomey voted in favor of).

[baseline bum]

I mean I'm with you on " Bloomberg" but I can't think of a single thing that makes a Trump reelection preferable to a Bloomberg presidency.

Trump will beat the ever living out of Bloomberg in a general election, so it would be more like a you vote to the Democratic party if they think Bloomberg is the answer.

[Spurminator]

- Better results in the 2022 senate midterms if Trump is still in office making Democrats angry

Better long term if the recession that’s like to hit prior to 2024 gets blamed on a Republican

You may be right on both of these but I also think you could say the same thing for any Democrat candidate. So this doesn't feel like so much an argument against Bloomberg as it is an argument for just letting Trump win again.

2022 is no easy feat if Trump is in office, because he'll still have voter suppression on his side and he'll be pushing many of those efforts while his administration stands by and lets it happen. As far as blame for the recession, I'd still rather have Bloomberg for 4 years followed by a different Republican, than to have another 4 years of Donald Trump. JMO

[Spurminator]

Dems need to control the Presidency and both houses ASAP regardless of how they get there and give DC and PR statehood as one of their first actions, and restore the VRA. The US as a whole moves left when we can render the racist/gun obsessive portion of the conservative vote a fringe third party where it belongs. Right now they have a disproportionate influence on national elections, so GOP leaders have to cater to them whether they really want to or not.

[Spurtacular]

You guys overthink this. It's going to be sh** every voting cycle regardless of who is in power.

[Will Hunting]

Dems need to control the Presidency and both houses ASAP regardless of how they get there and give DC and PR statehood as one of their first actions, and restore the VRA. The US as a whole moves left when we can render the racist/gun obsessive portion of the conservative vote a fringe third party where it belongs. Right now they have a disproportionate influence on national elections, so GOP leaders have to cater to them whether they really want to or not.

The only way they become a fringe 3rd party is a cons utional amendment that changes how the Senate works. As long as North Dakota has as many senators as California the rural re s are going to be massively overrepresented.

[Spurminator]

The only way they become a fringe 3rd party is a cons utional amendment that changes how the Senate works. As long as North Dakota has as many senators as California the rural re s are going to be massively overrepresented.

That's why you make DC and PR states. I think a new -4 Senate disadvantage would change things tremendously as far as the GOP's general approach.

[boutons_deux]

Klobuchar asked to resign for imprisoning a supposedly innocent black teen for life.