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    Be specific. What program has he gutted? I'm not talking about future hypothetical budgets. We are talking today.
    The information is out there for anyone actually curious about it...

    Gimme a sec, it won't be hard to find.

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    "You don’t know what the death rate"

    so you think China is lying about the number of dead/infected?

    let's say 2 or 3% mortality is way too high

    let's crank it down to 1%.

    That's still MANY TIMES the mortality rate for seasonal flu, which kills about 90K every year in USA


    So you are telling me China has accurately counted all the people infected?
    Those who DO NOT come in to be tested.

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    What's the hypocrisy? I don't/didn't defend Obama. Does lack of transparency/using public health officials for Presidential PR suddenly become ok because your political rival did it in the past?

    Btw, you cited no particular examples. Were there any analogous to DJT's handling of this?
    Ron Klain, the Ebola czar?

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    Ron Klain, the Ebola czar?
    What problem did you have with how he handle it? Do you not have a problem with Pence coordinating Presidential ass kissing forr public consumption?

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    The information is out there for anyone actually curious about it...

    Gimme a sec, it won't be hard to find.
    In 2018, Trump fired Tom Bossert, whose job as homeland security adviser on the NSC included coordinating the response to global pandemics. Bossert was not replaced. Last year, Rear Adm. Tim Ziemer, the NSC's senior director for global health security and biodefense, left the council and was not replaced. Dr. Luciana Borio, the NSC's director for medical and biodefense preparedness, left in May 2018 and was also not replaced.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...e-say-n1143656

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    So you are telling me China has accurately counted all the people infected?
    Those who DO NOT come in to be tested.
    no, that's yet another of your legendary ed up takes of my posts

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    Ron Klain, the Ebola czar?
    True, Klain had no experience in public health. Pence has bad experience in public health.

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    Glad CC brought up Obama's Ebola group. That led to a system of international coordination that Trump has declined to fund. There were dozens of offices worldwide, the number now is eight.

    Trump deemphasized public health and pandemic preparedness. That's part of the problem we face today. Trump should promise to fix what he broke.

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    Why in the world would anyone defend Trump’s appointments as anything but ass sucking ignoramuses and incompetents?

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    I’m still in disbelief that Ebola horse ever became a story.

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    no, that's yet another of your legendary ed up takes of my posts
    Then don’t be spouting out mortality rates as facts dumbass.

    Is there not one outlet that will tell us what we do and don’t know and why we should be critical of this sort of phenomena in its infancy? Analysis of what is probably estimated too high and too low and what it means at present and what the present data is and is not good for.

    I guess the guys who can spell out the above fear for their jobs or being wrong about certain tidbits.
    As a primer read popular science article on epidemiology.
    Just came out yesterday I believe.

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    I’m still in disbelief that Ebola horse ever became a story.
    It involved lots of disgusting symptoms so it was exciting.

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    Then don’t be spouting out mortality rates as facts dumbass.
    dumbass, I didn't spout facts,

    but a hypothetical where the Chinese could be UNDERSTATING the mortality rates by 2x or 3x

    goddam, you takes ing suck

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    Why in the world would anyone defend Trump’s appointments as anything but ass sucking ignoramuses and incompetents?
    As long as he does not purge the grinders (people that know this and are not in positions for their political skills) in the CDC, we are still floating.

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    dumbass, I didn't spout facts,

    but a hypothetical where the Chinese could be UNDERSTATING the mortality rates by 2x or 3x

    goddam, you takes ing suck
    Cold they be overstating it? What are the probabilities of each? It could LOOK really bad, the understate that, but the virus has infected many many more people you fckn moron. We don’t know.

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    As long as he does not purge the grinders (people that know this and are not in positions for their political skills) in the CDC, we are still floating.
    If they try to talk about or enact anything with actual science behind it he usually gets rid of them though.

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    Lying, corrupt, sicko Trash and his -sucking mafiya of liars are repeating VERY OLD history

    THE CORONAVIRUS AND HOW POLITICAL SPIN HAS WORSENED EPIDEMICS

    During the past two years, it cut the federal ranks of experts involved with infectious-disease emergencies.

    In February of 2018, the C.D.C. announced plans to
    stop epidemic-prevention work in thirty-nine out of forty-nine countries that it was monitoring and supporting, leaving ten “priority countries.”

    China was not one of them.

    In May, 2018,
    John Bolton, then the national-security adviser,

    disbanded the global-health-security team at the National Security Council.

    Top officials left, and the posts were never refilled.


    https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-coronavirus-and-how-political-spin-has-worsened-epidemics?source=EDT_NYR_EDIT_NEWSLETTER_0_imagene wsletter_Daily_ZZ&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_source=nl&utm_brand=tny&utm_mailing=TNY_Da ily_022920&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c104 8022fcc&cndid=4
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    From Reddit:




    COVID-19

    o,

    Just giving a heads up to what I and my doctor both considered a very ed situation. I just spent a week in Japan, a country at high risk for COVID-19. I wore a mask and essentially tried to stay away from most touristy places (not my first time there), but trains and stations are still packed with people, so there's really not much you can do.

    On arriving back to America (3 days ago), I developed a 102F fever, coughing, and aches. I went to a local hospital in Brooklyn's ER. I informed them of my travel, they provided me a mask, and redirected me to a private room and followed infection protocols (full face covers, gloves, aprons, etc.). I had a chest x-ray and testing for flu/cold/pneumonia/and about 25 other viruses. They all came back negative.

    At this point, the hospital called the CDC requesting permission to perform the COVID-19 testing. The CDC denied the request on the ground that I did not have the most life-threatening symptoms: chest pain and shortness of breath. According to everything I read it's very likely not to have these symptoms if you're in your 30's and relatively healthy.

    And... that was that. They discharged me, said I don't have Corona virus, since they didn't test me for it, and said I can ride the subway, return to work, do whatever I want.

    Of course my doctor disagreed. She said I should treat myself as if I am infected. My partner is currently staying in a nearby hotel since we live in a studio apartment. I am choosing to perform a self-quarantine for 14 days. Fortunately I can work from home and my partner can deliver me groceries if I run out.
    But I don't think that many people are aware of the fact that they're actively not testing people for COVID-19, even people who have travel history to high-risk places.

    Edit: To answer some standard questions.
    Do I still have symptoms?
    Yes, Fever is current 101.6 (as of a couple hours ago), aches, and a cough that is persistent. I'm taking Tylenol and drinking a lot of water.
    Is this real?
    It's as real as I said it is. I returned from Japan. I'm sick. The symptoms are similar to COVID19 and I was refused testing. You can believe whatever you want, I don't care.
    You have the flu?
    Well, not according to my screens I don't.
    Edit 2: I've taken some media inquiries already.
    Edit 3: https://abc7ny.com/5974999/
    Edit 4: Answering some additional questions:
    Didn't the CDC just change their guidance?
    Yes, the CDC added Japan to the list of high-risk countries on Feb 27 (evening). I went to the hospital on Feb 27 (morning). I performed a virtual follow-up visit with an ER doctor Feb 28 at 7:00pm to go over my case with the updated guidance from CDC. According to that ER nurse since the hospital still can't hospitalize me based on my criteria, they can't test me. So effectively, there is no change.
    Were you supposed to go to the ER?
    I called up the ER before I went. Told them about my travel, symptoms, and su ion. I asked the receptionist what the protocol was and they said just come to the ER. Similarly, I asked them how I should get home, and they said I was fine to take any transportation I would normally take.
    Go to the media!
    I have already been contacted by over 15 media organizations, so I can't respond to them all. If I have the strength and energy I wanted to do a couple local/national organizations. However, I'm only talking to organizations who can guarantee that they'll protect my privacy and take it seriously. I need to disclose a lot of personal information (hospital records/occupation/residence etc.) for them to verify and run my story. Also doing Skype interviews while chain coughing into a headset in my dirty room isn't my best weekend activity.


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    I will certainly concede there are ZERO chances we react as effectively as the chinese to limit the pandemic in the US. The president and congress would have to declare martial law. Fat chance of that.

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    new youtube challenge. the coronavirus challenge

    beat it with no meds....


    calling it now... call me nostradamus when it happens

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    I will certainly concede there are ZERO chances we react as effectively as the chinese to limit the pandemic in the US. The president and congress would have to declare martial law. Fat chance of that.
    USA reacting exactly like China with, so far, propaganda and suppression of facts.

    no need for martial law, except in your fevered imagination.

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    an anecdote, useful only in exposing that ER/health care/docs are not prepared to test for covid-19,

    and therefore, helpless to do their jobs, send sick people back into the population.

    Are Trash/Pence/Azar rushing reliable covid-19 tests all over the country?


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    Trump muzzled them

    All coronavirus statements have to be run through the VP's office.

    Does that strike you as appropriate?


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    Trash wants to close the MX border (to please his hate-driven racist 42%)

    but

    Not the CA border where there are more covid-18 cases.

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    Health officials:

    Dozens at Kirkland nursing facility reporting symptoms that might suggest coronavirus


    There are also two confirmed cases associated with the nursing facility.

    https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/report-dozens-kirkland-nursing-facility-reporting-symptoms-that-might-suggest-coronavirus/2YXV65ZP6VBSZDVX53SUWXLYYU/

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