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    I think they're getting way too careless in assuming all the Elena/Buttplug votes go to Biden. They both had a predominantly white base of supporters (albeit moderate whites) who weren't big fans of Biden in the first place (thus they were looking for a moderate alternative). If I had to guess them dropping out helps Warren more than anyone else - especially since Warren can now consolidate the "WE NEED WOMENZ!!!" vote.
    Had this being a little earlier than I can see and concede your point but we're heading into Super Tuesday and she's got 8 delegates. At this point people should be realizing the reality. 2 person race, 3 at most.

    Warren is also polling terribly low so whatever leftovers she gets will probably be minimal. Say Buttiegieg and Elena's voters split betwen Biden and Warren, we're talking about maybe 2-3% points which would put her nowhere near the point of contention.

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    Trump would destroy Biden at the debates. And it really pains me to say that. Bernie is loud and mean looking, but so is Trump.
    Bernie has been known to self neauter. That time when he decided not to attack Hillary about mah emails. He gave her a pass. Trump didn't.

    The latter worked out.

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    Had this being a little earlier than I can see and concede your point but we're heading into Super Tuesday and she's got 8 delegates. At this point people should be realizing the reality. 2 person race, 3 at most.

    Warren is also polling terribly low so whatever leftovers she gets will probably be minimal. Say Buttiegieg and Elena's voters split betwen Biden and Warren, we're talking about maybe 2-3% points which would put her nowhere near the point of contention.
    Yeah it you're right. She and Bloomer have no business in this race at all.

    The polls that have come out today have Sanders up big in California. I'm hoping for a perfect storm scenario where he gets 40+% of the vote there and the other candidates are all struggling to get to 15%.

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    Only if the Dems let Trump write the narrative like they did in 2016. They could spend half a debate just brining up how Trump had tried to cut Medicare in every budget he's made
    It's going to be hard to stop Trump from writing the narrative if the Dem candidate is a guy with early onset dementia who doesn't know his from his oatmeal.

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    It's going to be hard to stop Trump from writing the narrative if the Dem candidate is a guy with early onset dementia who doesn't know his from his oatmeal.

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    I'm having a hard time believing Bernie is a better candidate than JoeBi. Both are ing terrible.

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    I'm having a hard time believing Bernie is a better candidate than JoeBi. Both are ing terrible.
    We ran the female version of JoeBi 4 years ago.

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    one thing im reading is that even if biden doesnt get a massive % of pete/klobuchar voters, their absence will probably be enough to help him reach 15% viability in more districts, and therefore net him more delegates

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    I forget who said this but it's starting to look obviously coordinated now. That can grate on people.

    Even to people who like being told who to vote for. Also the move was pretty immediate from the candidates to the host of endorsement he's gotten overnight from the entire party.

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    It's going to be hard to stop Trump from writing the narrative if the Dem candidate is a guy with early onset dementia who doesn't know his from his oatmeal.

    That's what I'm afraid of. Biden has always been a poor debater and going up against Trump would be a disaster especially with his memory loss or whatever the heck he has going on with him.

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    Bernie has been known to self neauter. That time when he decided not to attack Hillary about mah emails. He gave her a pass. Trump didn't.

    The latter worked out.

    He probably should had because you know had the shoe been on the other foot Hillary would had attacked Sanders on it. She is attacking him now and she isn't even running.

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    That's what I'm afraid of. Biden has always been a poor debater and going up against Trump would be a disaster especially with his memory loss or whatever the heck he has going on with him.
    he's a poor debater from an academic perspective, but in terms of politics dominated by quippy soundbites, he had been quite good

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    We ran the female version of JoeBi 4 years ago.
    hillary had a lot more baggage and was generally less likeable than biden, to be fair (compare their favorability ratings)

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    I’m actually impressed by how shameless the DNC establishment is in coordinating against Sanders. They’re not being shy at all about their willingness to completely fracture the party with a chaotic brokered convention that guarantees a Trump win as long as it means Sanders doesn’t win

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    We ran the female version of JoeBi 4 years ago.
    Like I said, JoeBi ain't great either. But I haven't heard much of a response to the kinda youth turnout Bernie needs.

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    I’m actually impressed by how shameless the DNC establishment is in coordinating against Sanders. They’re not being shy at all about being willing to completely fracture the party with a chaotic brokered convention that guarantees a Trump win as long as it means Sanders doesn’t win
    If only the Republicans had done that with Trump.

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    We ran the female version of JoeBi 4 years ago.
    Hillary is pretty smart and thinks on her feet at least. She's still sharp, just arrogant af.

    Biden in the other hand is likeable, but his mental acuity is all but gone. For the time being I think likeability counts more than being senile at the very moment.

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    I’m actually impressed by how shameless the DNC establishment is in coordinating against Sanders. They’re not being shy at all about their willingness to completely fracture the party with a chaotic brokered convention that guarantees a Trump win as long as it means Sanders doesn’t win
    if trump wins it means they can try to run one of their own people again as soon as 2024. if sanders wins, that delays it to 2028

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    Like I said, JoeBi ain't great either. But I haven't heard much of a response to the kinda youth turnout Bernie needs.
    I have no idea what that graph is based off but I’m sure it includes a bunch of rosy assumptions about the “swing voters” that Shillary didn’t get but Biden somehow will get by running on an identical platform.

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    If only the Republicans had done that with Trump.
    they made the same mistake of having an overly-crowded field allowing the populist to ramp up his support while the party quabbled with itself. they ended up being stuck with cruz (who republicans hated too) and kasich (who never had a snowballs chance) as trump's opposition down the stretch. on the other hand, biden is generally liked (much more than cruz, anyway)... but bloomberg, at least in the polls, is a much bigger wildcard than kasich ever was

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    if trump wins it means they can try to run one of their own people again as soon as 2024. if sanders wins, that delays it to 2028
    If Trump wins re-election against Biden after another coordinated effort by the DNC to stop Sanders (this one potentially even more blatant than the 2016 effort was) the Democrat party as we know it is going to crater. There’s no way of knowing who they’ll be able to run in 2024 under that scenario.

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    I have no idea what that graph is based off but I’m sure it includes a bunch of rosy assumptions about the “swing voters” that Shillary didn’t get but Biden somehow will get by running on an identical platform.
    Here's the 55 page report detailing everything if you wanna pick it apart

    https://osf.io/25wm9/

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    If only the Republicans had done that with Trump.
    They would have lost to Hillary Clinton. I know you’re genuine in your disdain for Trump unlike other Republicans on this site but it’s not a coincidence they won the election after being the party that let its primary voters pick the candidate without any establishment intervention.

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    Speaking of Hillary...

    A federal judge Monday granted a request from conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch to have former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton sit for a sworn deposition to answer questions about her use of a private email server to conduct government business.

    Clinton has argued that she has already answered questions about this and should not have to do so again, but D.C. District Court Judge Royce C. Lamberth said in his ruling that her past responses left much to be desired.

    "As extensive as the existing record is, it does not sufficiently explain Secretary Clinton’s state of mind when she decided it would be an acceptable practice to set up and use a private server to conduct State Department business," Lamberth said.

    The judge went on to recognize that while Clinton responded to written questions in a separate case, "those responses were either incomplete, unhelpful, or cursory at best.

    Simply put her responses left many more questions than answers.” Lamberth said that using written questions this time “will only muddle any understanding of Secretary Clinton’s state of mind and fail to capture the full picture, this delaying the final disposition of this case even further.”

    The ruling comes after Judicial Watch revealed at a December 2019 status conference that the FBI released "approximately thirty previously undisclosed Clinton emails," and that the State Department "failed to fully explain" where they came from.

    The State Department has been pushing for the discovery phase of the case to come to a close, but Lamberth said he is not ready to do so, saying that "there is still more to learn."

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