Generation Power Rankings

[DMC]

I'm Gen X but I'd put Millennials ahead of us, tbh.

Millennials are much more about experience than possession. They're more socially conscious, and they support independent businesses more than chains. They're the GoFundMe/Kickstarter generation. I've worked with a ton of them and I haven't seen much of the legendary en lement. They generally work longer hours for less pay than their bosses ever did.

Whereas previous generations generally popped out 2 or 3 babies and bought a ty house before they could really afford it, Millennials seem more content to wait.

As far as music, you can blame them for listening to ty music as teens but that stuff was being forced on them by Boomer/GenX-owned stations. Millennials ushered in the digital music age which widely expanded availability and access to independent music.

I agree, though, that Boomers ing suck.

Of course they're willing to wait to buy a house, the mother ers don't leave home until there 29 or 30 and even then they still wear ing Super Mario t-shirts and don't know how to dress or comb their hair. By then they've never had a social interaction outside of a video game. We were kicked the out by the time we were 16 years old and told to join the military get a ing job.

How many of them would you have to go to to find one who knew how to change a flat tire? The woman in the relationship would be doing the tire changing while fat neckbeard set over there and increased his kill death ratio on whatever game he's playing while his buddies internet meme teamed him to ing death on his phone.

He still not sure about commitment and he's been through five or six different fat girlfriends each of whom have more masculinity than he does. Any of his friends are gender confused and he is too a little bit but he blames all that on his parents who he sees every day because he won't ing leave.

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Occupy Wall Street (although not 5 years ago) followed that same, self-serving trendy fashion fad. The real place that should've been occupied was 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, but it was "cooler" to shout angst at evil bankers, when Barry O didn't do much to change things aside from take very healthy donations from Wall Street. But Barry O was a liberal icon for some reason, so obviously the occupiers weren't going to target "Hope and Change."

What other protests have been substantial? March for our Lives? No change to the gun laws, as far as I know. Environmentalism? This is a major bone I pick with millennials. Little Greta Thurnberg loves to talk about carbon emissions related to transportation, but says nothing about her generation's use of tech gadgets. "Kneeling." Lol. Nothing trendier and more self-serving than that. I'm definitely sympathetic to cause. But you know what would really be effective? Boycotting the in' season. Kneeling and then standing up to continue to getting paid your millions doesn't seem like a sincere gesture to me. Everyone is an "activist" as long as that activism doesn't come with an uncomfortable lifestyle change.

Tell it, Midst. Testify!!!

[Will Hunting]

white millenials =/= millenials

how about the numbers for millenials, generally

”If you selectively look at the most conservative millennials, they’re actually not liberal at all!”

[midnightpulp]

white millenials =/= millenials

how about the numbers for millenials, generally

Still a lot of votes.

But my point here also is that it's pretty much a fact of life that many people (not all) get more conservative as they age and thus vote more conservative, as they graph shows. It's rather linear. Millennials or whomever can't sit around and hope the old white people with money "see it their way." And per the graph, there's still millions of boomer Democrats, so the combined voting power of liberal Millennials, Gen Xers, and Boomers should be able to overwhelm the opposition here. But which demo "stayed home" and didn't pick up the slack? We know the answer. That's the crux of my criticism against millennials. The Forbes poll said it itself, only 2 in 10 millennials would consider themselves politically engaged. That has got to change.

[DMC]

i dont see where i called millennials a progressive hive mind

Oh no you did just own it. No one needs to prove it to you. We're now doing baseless accusations as proof.

[spurraider21]

Still a lot of votes.

But my point here also is that it's pretty much a fact of life that many people (not all) get more conservative as they age and thus vote more conservative, as they graph shows. It's rather linear. Millennials or whomever can't sit around and hope the old white people with money "see it their way." And per the graph, there's still millions of boomer Democrats, so the combined voting power of liberal Millennials, Gen Xers, and Boomers should be able to overwhelm the opposition here. But which demo "stayed home" and didn't pick up the slack? We know the answer. That's the crux of my criticism against millennials. The Forbes poll said it itself, only 2 in 10 millennials would consider themselves politically engaged. That has got to change.

a) thats not what the graph shows. it's not tracking the same voters over the years

b) its just as much an explanation that the overton window continues adjusting. the civil rights act was a very liberal thing, but plenty of people (conservatives, including southern democrats) opposed it. nobody would oppose it today. its not necessarily one sided. we used to have marginal tax rates up to 90. today if you want them north of 40 you are branded a socialist. reagan (the supposed godfather of modern conservatism) supported an amnesty program for illegal immigrants... deferred deportations of illegal immigrants 18 or younger if they lived with at least 1 parent who was going through that process, etc. republicans who contributed to the "gang of 8" negotiations were branded as RINOs

millenials lack of engagement in the political process bothers me as well. they also spend the least amount of time watching cable news which contributes to that

[Will Hunting]

Still a lot of votes.

But my point here also is that it's pretty much a fact of life that many people (not all) get more conservative as they age and thus vote more conservative, as they graph shows. It's rather linear. Millennials or whomever can't sit around and hope the old white people with money "see it their way." And per the graph, there's still millions of boomer Democrats, so the combined voting power of liberal Millennials, Gen Xers, and Boomers should be able to overwhelm the opposition here. But which demo "stayed home" and didn't pick up the slack? We know the answer. That's the crux of my criticism against millennials. The Forbes poll said it itself, only 2 in 10 millennials would consider themselves politically engaged. That has got to change.

So basically you’re saying the older generations are rich conservatives assholes and it’s up to the millennials to start voting more if they’re going to usher in meaningful reform.

Cant say I disagree.

[Monostradamus]

”If you selectively look at the most conservative millennials, they’re actually not liberal at all!”

[midnightpulp]

a) thats not what the graph shows. it's not tracking the same voters over the years

b) its just as much an explanation that the overton window continues adjusting. the civil rights act was a very liberal thing, but plenty of people (conservatives, including southern democrats) opposed it. nobody would oppose it today. its not necessarily one sided. we used to have marginal tax rates up to 90. today if you want them north of 40 you are branded a socialist

[midnightpulp]

So basically you’re saying the older generations are rich conservatives assholes and it’s up to the millennials to start voting more if they’re going to usher in meaningful reform.

Cant say I disagree.

Yep. That's the way it's always seemed to be in American politics. People with money want to hold on to every in' cent. "I got mine." And they'll be damned if the money they "bootstrapped" themselves to is going to go to freeloaders. Mind you, not all, as the graph shows, but there's enough people who were probably idealistic in their youth that turned into rich assholes when they made their first million or whatever.

Then you have "millionaire larpers," those people who think they are just temporarily humiliated millionaires. These people seem to be your middle America white working class (no in' idea why they continue to vote republican. Guess it's the guns and abortion thing, but they still are against social programs).

[spurraider21]

im not disagreeing that the older generations lean more conservative than the younger generations. but that does not inherently show that young people become more conservative. is it an age thing or a generational thing? that data alone isn't answering the question

[Will Hunting]

Then you have "millionaire larpers," those people who think they are just temporarily humiliated millionaires. These people seem to be your middle America white working class (no in' idea why they continue to vote republican. Guess it's the guns and abortion thing, but they still are against social programs).

This is my main gripe in the boomer v millennial debate. I agree that rich people are always going to be assholes, but I see a lot more joe the plumber types in boomers than I do millennials. Poor/middle class millennials seem to be a lot more cognizant of their diminished social standing than poor/middle class boomers are.

[midnightpulp]

im not disagreeing that the older generations lean more conservative than the younger generations. but that does not inherently show that young people become more conservative. is it an age thing or a generational thing? that data alone isn't answering the question

See the bottom graph. You'll see that boomers went from 39 percent republican/lean republican in '00 to 44 percent 2016. Xers went from 37 to 39 percent. Silents went from 38 to 48. These small percentage increases and decreases are enough to swing elections.

[spurraider21]

See the bottom graph. You'll see that boomers went from 39 percent republican/lean republican in '00 to 44 percent 2016. Xers went from 37 to 39 percent. Silents went from 38 to 48. These small percentage increases and decreases are enough to swing elections.

boomers went from 43% democrat/lean democrat in '00 to 44% in 2016. Xers went from 41 to 48. Silents went from 43 to 41.

you're really just having independents "pick sides" more than a shift one way or the other

[spurraider21]

honestly i've always interpreted the whole "you'll get more conservative when you get older" meme as parents not trying to understand why their kids are more liberal than them and just getting defensive when their worldview is challenged

[midnightpulp]

This is my main gripe in the boomer v millennial debate. I agree that rich people are always going to be assholes, but I see a lot more joe the plumber types in boomers than I do millennials. Poor/middle class millennials seem to be a lot more cognizant of their diminished social standing than poor/middle class boomers are.

It probably has to do with the time period in which they were raised. Boomers grew up during the post-war optimism period where the middle class soared and the American mentality was "can do" in all manners of technology, society, etc. Boomers saw once-in-a-lifetime events like the moon landing unfold in their living rooms. The Vietnam War threw a bit of wet blanket on things, but that optimism was regained when boomers basically protested the war to end. So again, "can do."

I'm of the oldest millennial demo or youngest Xer, and the 80s, even with Reaganomics and the Cold War, was still a rather "optimistic time," which is why I think 80s nostalgia is so prevalent. But everything changed during 9/11 and then the great recession and now this coronavirus situation. So younger millennials really never known a time of unbounded optimism like the boomers did. This might explain why Boomers were taken in with the MAGA . Trump sold himself as a figure who would return them to that time when we were landing on the moon and pop was making a great living at the Chrysler factory. That said, this is more of a middle America mentality than a coastal one. Coastal boomers tend to be liberals, either limousine liberals or liberals because they are a minority. Why Trump went for the low hanging fruit in Middle America.

[ElNono]

So basically you’re saying the older generations are rich conservatives assholes and it’s up to the millennials to start voting more if they’re going to usher in meaningful reform.

Cant say I disagree.

I don't think anybody disagrees with that mantra, but it's a gruesome simplification of the whole thing. ie: it's not Millenials that control the leadership of the two largest parties.

And so, it's easy to just say, go out and vote! But then suddenly the menu is one 70+ years old vs another 70+ years old, people that can't hardly identify with.

I'm not saying the mantra is wrong, or that even mid is wrong, but without putting it in context, it's also a bit misleading. It's more complex than... just vote!

[ElNono]

Then you have "millionaire larpers," those people who think they are just temporarily humiliated millionaires. These people seem to be your middle America white working class (no in' idea why they continue to vote republican. Guess it's the guns and abortion thing, but they still are against social programs).

This is my main gripe in the boomer v millennial debate. I agree that rich people are always going to be assholes, but I see a lot more joe the plumber types in boomers than I do millennials. Poor/middle class millennials seem to be a lot more cognizant of their diminished social standing than poor/middle class boomers are.

This is perhaps the biggest mystery/scam of them all.

[midnightpulp]

boomers went from 43% democrat/lean democrat in '00 to 44% in 2016. Xers went from 41 to 48. Silents went from 43 to 41.

you're really just having independents "pick sides" more than a shift one way or the other

Yeah, but the republican lean saw the most gains (aside form Xers).

I'm assuming maybe those independents came to be attracted to some part of the conservative platform as they aged, maybe abortion laws, tax cuts, etc.

Ultimately, this generation is rather arbitrary. I have way, way more in common with someone born in 1975 than someone born in 1998. Boomers who were born in 1964 are quite different from Boomers born in 1946. The former was the punk rock and hip hop generation, while the latter was the Elvis and Beatles generation.

[spurraider21]

This is perhaps the biggest mystery/scam of them all.

votingrepublican.jpg tbh

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The Greatest Generation brought us 50% divorce rate & we've never recovered.
The Greatest Generation brought alcohol abuse on a scale we've never recovered from.

[midnightpulp]

I don't think anybody disagrees with that mantra, but it's a gruesome simplification of the whole thing. ie: it's not Millenials that control the leadership of the two largest parties.

And so, it's easy to just say, go out and vote! But then suddenly the menu is one 70+ years old vs another 70+ years old, people that can't hardly identify with.

I'm not saying the mantra is wrong, or that even mid is wrong, but without putting it in context, it's also a bit misleading. It's more complex than... just vote!

This just sounds like a bit more excuse making. People who run for president are usually old. They're usually white, Christian, and rich. In my voting career, I've never had a candidate "I could identify with," but I "just voted," because as trite as it sounds, the lesser of two evils is still a lesser evil. I remained convinced that if Al Gore won (which he actually did), 9/11 and the recession don't happen. The price of not voting in 2016 was getting a 2nd rate game show host as "our" president. Same logic. I think Hillary is probably better prepared for the coronavirus than Trump. At the very least, she wouldn't have stirred up the very ugly racial and nationalistic sentiment Trump did.

For the president, most we can do usually is vote in the lesser of evils. The candidates "you can get excited about," are usually your local politicians, who tend to skew younger and are more directly involved with their base (e.g. Cortez and O'Rourke).

[midnightpulp]

The Greatest Generation brought us 50% divorce rate & we've never recovered.
The Greatest Generation brought alcohol abuse on a scale we've never recovered from.

Cub is actually right. How much of a "lie" is this picture?



Frank Zappa

Someone said they made some noise
The cops have shot some girls & boys
You'll sit home & drink all night
They looked too weird . . . it served them right
Mama! Mama!
Someone said they made some noise
The cops have shot some girls & boys
You'll sit home & drink all night
They looked too weird . . . it served them right
Ever take a minute just to show a real emotion
In between the moisture cream & velvet facial lotion?
Ever tell your kids you're glad that they can think?
Ever say you loved 'em? Ever let 'em watch you drink?
Ever wonder why your daughter looked so sad?
It's such a drag to have to love a plastic Mom & Dad
Mama! Mama!
Your child was killed in the park today
Shot by the cops as she quietly lay
By the side of the creeps she knew . . .
They killed her too.

[Chucho]

The hippie movement was a self-serving, trendy fashion fad. Outside of civil rights protests (lead by black leaders, not hippies), their demonstrations didn't accomplish . They got Nixon elected (and re-elected) and they spit on Vietnam soldiers. Protests of the past 5 years are far more altruistic and substantive than the hippies.

LOL, easy to say the same thing about today's SJWs. It was a fad filled with vain, ineffectual protests generally organized by black people. People plying their pain off of history, re-opening wounds isn't substantive. Millennials basically treat people who enlist in the army with the same disdain they do the Conversative party and also use military service to discredit and demean people who go into service.

Also, there were plenty of white activist led protests. Regardless of hippies, they were still Boomers. How can you quantify it was more substantive and altruistic?

Annddd, they got Trump elected and they're probably going to get him elected again.

Only difference? Richard Nixon was is probably the most progressive President of the modern times and his election fixed a whole lot of . The good he did certainly outweighed the bad. We'd be ecstatic and blessed if either of the past 3 Administrations achieved what he did, sans WaterGate obviously.

[Will Hunting]

I don't think anybody disagrees with that mantra, but it's a gruesome simplification of the whole thing. ie: it's not Millenials that control the leadership of the two largest parties.

And so, it's easy to just say, go out and vote! But then suddenly the menu is one 70+ years old vs another 70+ years old, people that can't hardly identify with.

I'm not saying the mantra is wrong, or that even mid is wrong, but without putting it in context, it's also a bit misleading. It's more complex than... just vote!

Yeah I don’t think you quite got what I was saying but regardless I agree with this.

”JUST VOTE!” doesn’t work when both candidates are for private healthcare, ballooning college tuition, corporate tax cuts and rampant military spending.