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    You're exaggerating.

    Annual death from the seasonal flu generally fluctuates between 20,000 and 60,000 deaths per year.

    Only in pandemics like 1918, 1957 and 1968 has US mortality reached 100,000 souls.
    Dude is making the same point, over and over and over and over and over. it was stupid the first time. At some point you have to realize it is a troll schtick, that not even he believes. Once you figure that out, giving him time reading/responding is simply giving the sociopath what he wants, i.e. your attention.

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    no no

    regular flu does not overwhelm our system

    this does as an avalanche of sick ppl would flood hospitals
    The numbers coming out of NYC/NJ alone are roughly equivalent to what was/is coming out of Lombardy, an entire region in Italy (which includes Milan, but it wasn't the epicenter), crammed into a couple dozen square miles. It is going to be a bloodbath unless they've got the most advanced health care system in the world.

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    Hmmm, UK no longer considers Covid-19 a high consequence infectious disease.

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-con...us-of-covid-19

    And this downgrade doesn't come because they were "prepared." They probably had the worst response to this in the Western world, with Johnson advocating the "herd immunity" idea early on.

    Either the UK government isn't being forthcoming due to an agenda like protecting further economic meltdown. The herd immunity idea worked. Or the virus's efficacy in its R0 factor and hospitalization and mortality rates has been way, way overstated for weeks.

    To clarify, I'm not downplaying at all (a "mild" consequence infectious disease we have no immunity to is still a big problem). But this might be the first pinhole of light coming from the end of the tunnel. Unless the UK is being underhanded in some way.

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    Dude is making the same point, over and over and over and over and over. it was stupid the first time. At some point you have to realize it is a troll schtick, that not even he believes. Once you figure that out, giving him time reading/responding is simply giving the sociopath what he wants, i.e. your attention.
    It seldoms costs much energy or time to tell Thread he's wrong and show everyone else just how. If that gratifies him, that's his deal, not mine.

    In this case the specificity of the claim -- 100,000 deaths per year from the flu -- looked new to me. It's bull .

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    Something tells me you’re enjoying this too much. You need to read a few stories from the frontline healthcare providers.
    something tells me you are way off nig

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    This is why longer hours (Northern hemisphere) with sunlight(contains uv light) is preferable.
    It is also why proper sterile labs have UV lights to turn on when one leaves the room.
    UV is wonderful at causing screwups in DNA and RNA (this virus is a RNA virus)
    A fantastic sterilizer that can get at places wiping down cannot.

    Also for you multicellular humans: wear your sunscreen, uv causes mutations that lead to skin cancer.
    They aren't saying UV light to cure an infection. The theory is that since the primary mode of transmission is respiratory droplets the higher UV light reduces the ability of the virus to remain infectious in the air. These are non enveloped rna viruses, they have zero protection from UV light in the environment.
    You did not read my first post.
    I was in no way suggesting this.
    If you are going to be out in the sun you need to wear sunscreen

    There have already been people that did take direct sun as helping.

    The idea that UV sterilizes surfaces is much more important imobthan droplet simply because a virus is most likely to spend more time on a surface.


    It painfully obvious biology taught freshman year in most HS is not sticking.
    In many of the posts here as well.

    And they are not non enveloped. They have a lipid bilayer envelope with protein receptors, (not just a protein capsule) which is why they are so susceptible to soap. soap is a detergent that disrupts and breaks the lipid bilayer.
    Last edited by pgardn; 03-26-2020 at 01:46 PM.

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    The numbers coming out of NYC/NJ alone are roughly equivalent to what was/is coming out of Lombardy, an entire region in Italy (which includes Milan, but it wasn't the epicenter), crammed into a couple dozen square miles. It is going to be a bloodbath unless they've got the most advanced health care system in the world.
    the overflow was expected to be not 2x not 3x not 4x greater than capacity

    but more like 8,9 or 10 times

    doesnt take a brain surgeon to know that areas is ed

    UK is taking it in the rear end as well

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    Hmmm, UK no longer considers Covid-19 a high consequence infectious disease.

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-con...us-of-covid-19

    And this downgrade doesn't come because they were "prepared." They probably had the worst response to this in the Western world, with Johnson advocating the "herd immunity" idea early on.

    Either the UK government isn't being forthcoming due to an agenda like protecting further economic meltdown. The herd immunity idea worked. Or the virus's efficacy in its R0 factor and hospitalization and mortality rates has been way, way overstated for weeks.

    To clarify, I'm not downplaying at all (a "mild" consequence infectious disease we have no immunity to is still a big problem). But this might be the first pinhole of light coming from the end of the tunnel. Unless the UK is being underhanded in some way.
    They're just correcting an initial overreaction. Obviously it doesn't fit their criteria:

    Definition of HCID

    In the UK, a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) is defined according to the following criteria:

    • acute infectious disease
    • typically has a high case-fatality rate
    • may not have effective prophylaxis or treatment
    • often difficult to recognise and detect rapidly
    • ability to spread in the community and within healthcare settings
    • requires an enhanced individual, population and system response to ensure it is managed effectively, efficiently and safely
    Even if it was 5%, that's not "high" and certainly 1% isn't.

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    many moons ago I said Mexicans need to build a wall on their northern border to protect themselves from american hordes

    their inaction is paying a heavy price

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    They're just correcting an initial overreaction. Obviously it doesn't fit their criteria:



    Even if it was 5%, that's not "high" and certainly 1% isn't.
    Also:

    "The need to have a national, coordinated response remains, but this is being met by the government’s COVID-19 response..."

    Which includes the stay at home and social distancing mandates

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    They're just correcting an initial overreaction. Obviously it doesn't fit their criteria:



    Even if it was 5%, that's not "high" and certainly 1% isn't.
    do we know what standard they use to determine high case-fatality rate?

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    many moons ago I said Mexicans need to build a wall on their northern border to protect themselves from american hordes

    their inaction is paying a heavy price
    For kicks I just saw the day after tomorrow with Dennis Quaid the other night and was cracking up at the part where hordes of Americans are fleeing south because of the big freeze. The reporters noted that Americans were now the illegal aliens

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    Hmmm, UK no longer considers Covid-19 a high consequence infectious disease.

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-con...us-of-covid-19

    And this downgrade doesn't come because they were "prepared." They probably had the worst response to this in the Western world, with Johnson advocating the "herd immunity" idea early on.

    Either the UK government isn't being forthcoming due to an agenda like protecting further economic meltdown. The herd immunity idea worked. Or the virus's efficacy in its R0 factor and hospitalization and mortality rates has been way, way overstated for weeks.

    To clarify, I'm not downplaying at all (a "mild" consequence infectious disease we have no immunity to is still a big problem). But this might be the first pinhole of light coming from the end of the tunnel. Unless the UK is being underhanded in some way.
    This is Boris Johnson you are talking about. Dude makes Trump look like a genius.

    They are just a couple weeks behind in their curve.

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    For kicks I just saw the day after tomorrow with Dennis Quaid the other night and was cracking up at the part where hordes of Americans are fleeing south because of the big freeze. The reporters noted that Americans were now the illegal aliens
    shoe in the other foot happens more often than ppl think

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    do we know what standard they use to determine high case-fatality rate?
    If there is, I didn't see it. I'm sure it's intentionally obtuse.

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    For kicks I just saw the day after tomorrow with Dennis Quaid the other night and was cracking up at the part where hordes of Americans are fleeing south because of the big freeze. The reporters noted that Americans were now the illegal aliens
    They'd just be called "immigrants" by modern leftists.

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    the overflow was expected to be not 2x not 3x not 4x greater than capacity

    but more like 8,9 or 10 times

    doesnt take a brain surgeon to know that areas is ed

    UK is taking it in the rear end as well
    NYC is probably going to run out of space at the morgue in the next two days.

    The last time NYC needed mortuary assistance was after 9/11.

    https://www.politico.com/amp/news/20...apacity-148259

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    shoe in the other foot happens more often than ppl think
    It has yet to happen with regards to this though.

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    It has yet to happen with regards to this though.
    kinda has sadly

    most countries are not easily accepting american travelers anymore

    many south american countries, china, etc

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    They'd just be called "immigrants" by modern leftists.
    Or "employees" at Mar Del Lago

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    They're just correcting an initial overreaction. Obviously it doesn't fit their criteria:



    Even if it was 5%, that's not "high" and certainly 1% isn't.
    True. Not sure what they qualify as high case fatality rate. But , even this thing being double the flu's mortality rate is a big problem. That's how close to the edge we organize our health care infrastructure.

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    This is Boris Johnson you are talking about. Dude makes Trump look like a genius.

    They are just a couple weeks behind in their curve.
    They just got hit with 115 today .

    What Johnson did up to this was criminal. Or maybe we can blame the Dutch researchers who were promoting the theory. Netherlands is also taking a hit.

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