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    So your going with let the young people get infected.
    Before testing.

    That way when the young people who get their groceries, visit their parents, go back to their children who are not in school...
    So just get as many young people infected as possible.

    GB wanted to try this.
    It failed early enough so they pulled back.
    Yeah and they're even worse off than we are right now. It's unfortunate Boris Johnson seems to have recovered after killing so many of his countrymen.

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    But you just said those who got sick at home weren't doing everything right. You want to place blame without a realistic strategy in place, or a system that actually makes the strategy work.
    I'm not placing blame. They just aren't "doing everything right". Saying they are "doing everything right" and are still getting infected therefore this strategy can't be implemented is incorrect. We've simply have not chosen to implement this strategy and therefore the tactics that would be necessary have not been taken.

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    Thanks a lot. That hurt, but I'm still on the high from a sensible post from ya', so I'll let it go this time.
    Danka!

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    I'm not placing blame. They just aren't "doing everything right". Saying they are "doing everything right" and are still getting infected therefore this strategy can't be implemented is incorrect. We've simply have not chosen to implement this strategy and therefore the tactics that would be necessary have not been taken.
    It's like a great fire is breaking out due to no fault of any homeowners, but since the fire department is out of equipment and can't put the fires out you're then turning around and telling the victims that it's their fault.

    It isn't about them not doing it right. It's about them being consumed by a force outside their control. You lose that control when people start going out without the systems in place.

    No one is to blame, and we can't implement the strategy yet because we can't.

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    No its not controlled.
    Thats the point.
    You think that its controlled because you are letting young people go to work (but without any idea if they carry the virus.)

    I want to people back to work as badly as any Trump supporter like you.
    But these ideas you are throwing out already have a high probability of NOT working. And we know why.
    In a perfect world at present everyone would be tested and tracked (a problem in itself; some sort of anonymity)
    We would know who needs to stay home and quarantined.
    Then we await a vaccine (that is effective)
    Separating the young from the old is the "control". No country has the same capabilities as the US to execute this strategy.

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    It isn't just the old. It's the overweight, the immunocompromised, the pregnant, those with underlying conditions, and some who are just unlucky. You can't separate all these people. You can't mitigate all the risk if some are deemed essential.

    And you can't even begin to without the tests and tracing.

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    It's like a great fire is breaking out due to no fault of any homeowners, but since the fire department is out of equipment and can't put the fires out you're then turning around and telling the victims that it's their fault.

    It isn't about them not doing it right. It's about them being consumed by a force outside their control. You lose that control when people start going out without the systems in place.

    No one is to blame, and we can't implement the strategy yet because we can't.
    I've just explained that I wasn't blaming them but you've responded to the comment by telling me that I am.

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    I'm not placing blame. They just aren't "doing everything right". Saying they are "doing everything right" and are still getting infected therefore this strategy can't be implemented is incorrect. We've simply have not chosen to implement this strategy and therefore the tactics that would be necessary have not been taken.
    What is Trump's strategy?

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    I've just explained that I wasn't blaming them but you've responded to the comment by telling me that I am.
    You said they were sick because they weren't doing something, or did something wrong even though this is out of their control. What would you call it?

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    No. We are not trying this strategy currently so most haven't given it any thought. One major step would be self segregating with friends and family over a certain age. There are many other tactics that can be taken. Admittedly the strategy is difficult but it actually works long-term and what we are currently doing doesn't work.
    We did try it in 1918, back then we learned that this we're doing is what works, because that's where we ended up after countless deaths with the strategy you suggest. There's no cheating this thing.

    I don't know where the notion that social distancing isn't working comes from? We're not trying to have zero deaths, we're trying to contain contagion not to overwhelm a limited healthcare system.

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    Man, we're gonna have to revise some conspiracy theories.
    The Washington Post reports that the CIA has privately instructed its employees against taking medical advice from the guy who hosted the Apprentice. “At this point, the drug is not recommended to be used by patients except by medical professionals prescribing it as part of ongoing investigational studies,” the agency said on a website for employees. “There are potentially significant side effects, including sudden cardiac death, associated with hydroxychloroquine and its individual use in patients needs to be carefully selected and monitored by a health care professional.” To drive home the point, the agency added in bold: “Please do not obtain this medication on your own.”
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...on-coronavirus

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    No. We are not trying this strategy currently so most haven't given it any thought. One major step would be self segregating with friends and family over a certain age. There are many other tactics that can be taken. Admittedly the strategy is difficult but it actually works long-term and what we are currently doing doesn't work.
    Over 20% of those who have died so far in Bexar county are under 60.

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    Over 20% of those who have died so far in Bexar county are under 60.
    It's not just death, it overlooks that young people might still require hospitalization, even if they survive just fine. As I was explaining earlier, even if it's just 1% that need it, it doesn't scale to our hospital capacity.

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    What is Trump's strategy?
    Find someone to blame.

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    Man, we're gonna have to revise some conspiracy theories.


    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...on-coronavirus
    I’m pretty sure that taking a drug that causes arrhythmias for a disease that’s been found to cause arrhythmias in a high percentage of patients is a great idea. Wish I’d thought of that.

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    What is Trump's strategy?
    The current strategy that you are seeing in the US.

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    And Sweden just tied their highest daily death toll.
    Too early to compare Sweden's response until Norway and Denmark come out of lock down and we see if they e again or not. Decent read at the link.

    https://unherd.com/2020/04/jury-stil...irus-strategy/

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    Too early to compare Sweden's response until Norway and Denmark come out of lock down and we see if they e again or not. Decent read at the link.

    https://unherd.com/2020/04/jury-stil...irus-strategy/
    It is still entirely possible that this virus is just following its natural course and all of our flailing about is doing very little to change that.

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    Trump really throwing a hissy fit because some governors value the lives of the american people while he values his "muh economy"

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    The current strategy that you are seeing in the US.
    Which is what?

    Show me the strategy Trump came up with and implemented.

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    Which is what?

    Show me the strategy Trump came up with and implemented.
    It's a Democratic hoax isn't a strategy tbh

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    Which is what?

    Show me the strategy Trump came up with and implemented.
    Useless 2 hour campaign pressers where he lies and dodges responsibility.

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    Separating the young from the old is the "control". No country has the same capabilities as the US to execute this strategy.
    You're right. Most of them have better capabilities, especially the ones with universal health insurance, and non-free-market greed restricted excess hospital capacity, like, say, Germany.

    Socialism is the answer here. Big bad logical pooling of risk. This whole episode is laying bare all the gaping sores of the US free market failures when it comes to health care and health insurance.

    Suck it.

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    It is still entirely possible that this virus is just following its natural course and all of our flailing about is doing very little to change that.
    Data does not support that. Every place that has locked down has seen a very predictable flattening of the curve, with places that haven't seen the trend upwards.

    Not even really a debate.

    conservatives trying to have their own truth. Reality gonna -slap the lot of you. Again.

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    Data does not support that. Every place that has locked down has seen a very predictable flattening of the curve, with places that haven't seen the trend upwards.

    Not even really a debate.

    conservatives trying to have their own truth. Reality gonna -slap the lot of you. Again.
    I can't believe there are some still arguing this. Of course, for Spurstalk, it's the usual suspects

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