When did they go to congress to ask for the money for the things in the memo?
When did that happen?In the meanwhile, His administration pushed manufacturers for more PPE
Give the dates.
I did.
Nearly 40,000 Americans and authorized travelers have come into the U.S. from China since President Trump imposed travel restrictions
At least 430,000 people have flown to the U.S. from China since Dec. 31, when China first informed the World Health Organization about cases of novel coronavirus in Wuhan.
https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-tr...deb1ce0b3.html
And the New York outbreak is thought to have come in on a flight from Europe. The general panic and crowding on flights and in airports from confused Americans rushing home from abroad probably didn't help either.
When did they go to congress to ask for the money for the things in the memo?
When did that happen?In the meanwhile, His administration pushed manufacturers for more PPE
Give the dates.
I did.
Cellphone data, yep, could have bought it. Legally, after getting a warrant for every individual. Then you would have to get HIPAA approval to tie it to medical records. There's another court case... And then you have to build the data infrastructure to tie it all together. Not to mention use of cash in the US is much more common (less credit card data), and cell phones are actually less common in the US than SK. It all adds up.
That is true. Could another administration have fixed this? It's not like Trump was in the CDC lab, making errors in test design and then in manufacturing center getting the reagents contaminated... Not using foreign tests, there legislation on the books for decades about the US gov't having to buy US, unless there is no alternative. Legally, they had to do it in house. I really doubt, that a democrat administration, friendly with the bureaucracy would be blowing up regulations like that faster than the Trump administration.
So you're arguing the virus had to take a roundabout route through Europe, and this wasn't a delay?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/28/s...uarantine.html
"The W.H.O.’s epidemic-modeling teams concluded that travel restrictions had slowed the spread of the virus outside China by two to three weeks.
For the United States, the delay was probably far greater. Air-traffic data shows that flights from China to the United States dropped much more than they did to Europe."
As a healthcare provider myself (who has lost a colleague to CV19) any lives lost to this disease is unacceptable and using some number of deaths, hypothetical or not, to justify how well Trump response is or was is disgusting. Yes, people will die and I have seen it for myself. And I have seen the helpless/hopeless look on patients, family, doctors, nurses etc faces...and it's not Trump's fault but he isn't helping either and for those of us on the frontlines that's the worst thing you can during this time.
40,000 still came in directly.
I'm not saying there wasn't a delay. It would've been nice if more had been done in that time. Pretending everything that could have been done was done is silly.
Memo date 2/23/20...
1 google search later:
https://www.marke ch.com/story/wh...nds-2020-02-24
Looks about like the 2/24/20 to me. You could actually look these things up yourself. Pay a little attention to something other than the Democrat party's talking points. You might learn something.
A Democrat wouldn't have fired the entire pandemic response team like Trump did.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tr...pandemic-team/
Plus there's that whole science thing the Republicans don't believe in.
Now there, you have an argument. But without that delay, and what WAS done in that time (if it only getting ups out of the way - see the CDC testing fiasco), we would be a LOT worse off. I do not believe any democrat admin ( a Hillary admin, yeah right), nor even most internationalist republican ones (Bush II), would have put that ban in place. An argument that any other administration would be doing better than the current Trump administration, becomes difficult to believe, because of that.
Good. Now you're getting it.
And when was the first order for ppe made?
Snopes...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...sponse-office/
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...esponse-office
Yes, things got re-org. This happens in bureaucracies. Are people spreading BS. Yep, that happens in Washington.
Snopes, IIRC, the same people who rated "If you like your health care plan, you can keep it" true, up until after Barrack Obama's last election campaign...
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You talking about the same Obama that told Syria “Hey if you use biological weapons against your own people that is crossing the RED line and you better watch out if that happens” What happened Syria crossed the RED line and used biological weapons against there own people. What did Obama do?
You talking about the same Obama that whispered to Putin “Our Russian Mortal Foe ” Wait until after the elections and then I’ll have more flexibility.
You talking about the same Obama that allowed Russian “Putin” to invade Ukraine and took over Crimea? And did nothing
Nay I don’t think he would have been up to the challenge/ He is a great speaker though.
So you think Obama would have called it a Republican hoax and refused to produce WHO tests in mass quan ies?
I’m well aware of what he did. It flies in the face of common sense. I still don’t think it changes much.
Most liberals weren’t on board when he started closing incoming air travel. So I don’t know how differently things would have gone. Of course now we can look back and see how much more should have been done but I didn’t see a bunch of politicians demanding a whole lot in January.
The real truth is that we should have had a hard lock down for 3 weeks in February. A near complete travel ban across the board would have been huge. This “essential business” thing is laughable. It should have been a hard lock down and no politician would have been for that. I’m talking nearly all businesses closed, limited state to state travel, limited to no major city to city travel. Clear the streets and isolate. That would have saved lives. So I don’t see how things would have been more than marginally better with anyone else. Because no politician would have gone to those lengths.
The problem with you guys is that you’ve sold out to a side and debate accordingly. When what should have been done was never on the table or even considered by either party.
Aw, giving up so soon?
The answer is mid March.
The order won't come in until later this month.
we know what Obama would do during a pandemic because there was a pandemic during his administration.
The fact you can't even remember it and now have to Google to get talking points say it all.
BTW -- he left the playbook for dealing with pandemics to the new administration.
It's literally called "The Playbook"....
And for pandemics I would hands down want W in change over anybody -- and that guy was a pretty ty president overall. Dude wouldn't have ed around with this at all though.
Who would pay attention to The Playbook from a guy in a tan suit?
The fact you can't even remember it and now have to Google to get talking points say it all.
BTW -- he left the playbook for dealing with pandemics to the new administration.
It's literally called "The Playbook"....
And for pandemics I would hands down want W in change over anybody -- and that guy was a pretty ty president overall.
Well...we can start back in May 2018 when Trump and his staff failed to replaced Timothy Ziemer, the senior director of global health and biodefense on the National Security Council. I mean that alone cost a few lives don't you think?
Why not just send a Terminator back and have all these politicians mothers offed. That would be all kinds of interesting.
Probably change very little. It’s a horribly antiquated system.
Never have quit working
Yeah 44 nothing tell 1k died dead buried 6 feet deep
How do you know? There's a cause and effect, no? With a pandemic response team in place, maybe a few lives could have been saved, no? We could have stockpiled enough PPE, ventilators, etc all the way back in January. CV19 is not Trump's fault--his response or lack thereof is, then and now.
I think Trump was the perfectly wrong choice to prepare for and lead the US through this crisis. Just about any national officeholder above Waters/Gohmert level would've done better.
I agree with the first point. You have no way real ability to prove the second.
That’s the problem with you absolutists. You’re spewing the same one sided argument that they are. Again. Not a single one of these politicians had the balls or even intelligence to speak out about what truly should have been done. Just a bunch of pandering and finger pointing from both sides.
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