Bulls: The Last Dance do entary

[ambchang]

Jordan’s 3 percentage went up during the shortened line era and went back to a ty 29% when the NBA went back to the regular 3 pt line

He was shooting in the mid 30s in 92-93. Not steph curry but it was decent especially in those days.

[FrostKing]

ambchang in this thread

[Neo.]

As the entire perimeter defense is changed?

Drexler Payton penny and hill are on the same level with the wades and pierces of the world.

Ever wonder why perimeter play is so dominant now? Rule changes.

we already been over this

everyone still handchecks

and what used to be illegal defenses now allows gameplans never allowed previously. Never heard TMac complain about being handchecked. But he wanted zone defense abolished because it stifled scoring.

can't just say that rule changes are the sole and only reason for better perimeter play, that's just ignorant and completely stupid.

[Neo.]

The point was that terry wasn’t much better than Starks or Ehlo and he outplayed Lebron whole Jordan destroyed the other two on a regular basis.

Starks made the all star team. Was strong on defense.

Terry was a good scorer.

Ehlo was a good defender and smart shooter.

They are all role players.

Hm well if he outplayed lebron who is a top 5 player ever, while the other guys got destroyed by a top 5 player ever, sounds like Terry > starks and ehlo

thanks

[FrostKing]

Hm well if he outplayed lebron who is a top 5 player ever, while the other guys got destroyed by a top 5 player ever, sounds like Terry > starks and ehlo

thanks

Lebron is a Top 5 player since the 1990s

Ever? Top 12

[Neo.]

Lebron is a Top 5 player since the 1990s

Ever? Top 12

literally re ed lol

[FrostKing]

literally re ed lol

For example Hakeem

James needs more than 1 extra le to be fully ahead

[Neo.]

For example Hakeem

James needs more than 1 extra le to be fully ahead

lol please explain this one

[FrostKing]

lol please explain this one

Hakeem's status is cemented. Lebron still has the potential to be regarded as the superior player.

Would I pick Lebron over Hakeem in a close out game tomorrow? At this moment no.

[lefty]

Hakeem > Joirdan

[Killakobe81]

Jordan’s three got progressively better later in his career.

It’s not like the three is such a disgustingly difficult shot to make for nbaers. Brook Lopez and Lamarcus Aldridge is getting better through time.

As for defense there are still the Marco bellenellis and James Hardens of the world. You guys make it sound like the league is covered with prime Kawhi.

Besides I still consider rodman and Pippen better than every single wing defender in the league today. And then there’s Gary Payton as well.

Sure but he was dominant without it and was gifted at attacking the rim, hitting the midrange etc. Just saying it's speculation... And if that was his only weakness even in 2019-2020 nba who cares? His PER, wins shares, offensive rating are all elite for almost any Era...

And yes there are crummy defenders in the modern NBA but the athleticism and all around skill level is higher. Doesn't mean it's better in loved the mid 80's and early 90's but most of the specialist types in the NBA that can only shoot are pretty much mocked ( o, Bryn Forbes) or regulated to Kyle Korver roles... In MJ Era those guys played significant roles and MJ abused them just like he did good defensive guys like DJ Majerle or Dumars...there is no need to be dishonest about it. Better superstar talent back then ...but three and D pace and space has regulated Shannon Brown types (no three some D) and Korver (3 and no D) to end of the bench... Korver would be a significant player at his current age in the 80s on the right team.

[FrostKing]

Hakeem > Joirdan

[FrostKing]

Episode III and IV

I expect Rodman back story with Detroit Pistons journey. I want to see Jordan in the locker room especially after playoff loses. The building blocks of what was molded into a Bully in the Eastern Conference

Episode Four is Phil. Not discussed here but debating with Bull fans, some agree that this doc is too hard on Krause. Phil successfully built an 'us vs them' rivalry between the players and Management. Bulls acquired Kukoc, Harper, Kerr, and Longley in 1993+, thus the franchise was still on the upswing thanks to Krause.

[Neo.]

Hakeem's status is cemented. Lebron still has the potential to be regarded as the superior player.

Would I pick Lebron over Hakeem in a close out game tomorrow? At this moment no.

please explain how more than 1 additional championship is what would cement lebron over hakeem

[lefty]

that’s rich coming from the guy who is bent on defending 1 player all the time

[FrostKing]

please explain how more than 1 additional championship is what would cement lebron over hakeem

Eye test

Hakeem had the more dominant peak and was better defensively.
Like I stated, LeBron still has the possibility to firmly over jump Hakeem but until he does so...

[lefty]

Episode III and IV

I expect Rodman back story with Detroit Pistons journey. I want to see Jordan in the locker room especially after playoff loses. The building blocks of what was molded into a Bully in the Eastern Conference

Episode Four is Phil. Not discussed here but debating with Bull fans, some agree that this doc is too hard on Krause. Phil successfully built an 'us vs them' rivalry between the players and Management. Bulls acquired Kukoc, Harper, Kerr, and Longley in 1993+, thus the franchise was still on the upswing thanks to Krause.

Yeah they are too harsh on him
I feel bad for his family dude is dead and they are still pounding on him

Jordan and Jackson are certified pieces of

[FrostKing]

Yeah they are too harsh on him
I feel bad for his family dude is dead and they are still pounding on him

Jordan and Jackson are certified pieces of

Maybe I wasn't paying attention but I feel you've been holding this in. Good for you let it all out.

[Dirks_Finale]

Hakeem's status is cemented. Lebron still has the potential to be regarded as the superior player.

Would I pick Lebron over Hakeem in a close out game tomorrow? At this moment no.

This.

Hakeem obliterating MVP D-rob in 1995 did it for me. His back to back is more impressive than Lebron's accomplishments, TBH. Didn't ring chase by leaving to build super friends teams....even won it all as a damn 6 seed.

[lefty]

This.

Hakeem obliterating MVP D-rob in 1995 did it for me. His back to back is more impressive than Lebron's accomplishments, TBH. Didn't ring chase by leaving to build super friends teams....even won it all as a damn 6 seed.

But it wasn’t as easy to go switch teams

Jordan and any other ringless star would have pulled the trigger if they could

[Neo.]

Eye test

Hakeem had the more dominant peak and was better defensively.
Like I stated, LeBron still has the possibility to firmly over jump Hakeem but until he does so...

rofl ok so basically you dont know what youre talking about

[FrostKing]

rofl ok so basically you dont know what youre talking about

Formulate a counter point before you @ again.

[Neo.]

Formulate a counter point before you @ again.

there's no counter point needed. you literally had no point.

[FrostKing]

there's no counter point needed. you literally had no point.

Still no counter point

I'll see you during our show buddy

[Dirks_Finale]

But it wasn’t as easy to go switch teams

Jordan and any other ringless star would have pulled the trigger if they could

Valid point on it being more difficult to bolt.

But Jordan was incredibly loyal to Phil. Plus, beating your rivals, not joining them, was a thing back then. Can't see him pulling a Lebron.