BJ armstrong just said that Tim Duncan is the #2 player all time

[dbreiden83080]

The Bulls wouldn’t have win in 99 even with Scottie

They were mentally and physically exhausted

And Jordan lost another step and his scoring average was still great because he got a lot of welfare free throws

Where would Jordan's GOAT Standing be today had Kraus not been such a fat little turd, and brought the team back in 99? Spurs were going to end the reign IMO..

[baseline bum]

The Bulls wouldn’t have win in 99 even with Scottie

They were mentally and physically exhausted

And Jordan lost another step and his scoring average was still great because he got a lot of welfare free throws

Don't forget Rodman having checked out by then too. Despite Shaq begging Jerry West for him Rodman was the same little in LA that he was in SA.

[dbreiden83080]

Don't forget Rodman having checked out by then too. Despite Shaq begging Jerry West for him Rodman was the same little in LA that he was in SA.

Without Phil, and all his Zen Bull , plus MJ kicking his ass he didn't give a ..

[daslicer]

Without Phil, and all his Zen Bull , plus MJ kicking his ass he didn't give a ..

I think even Rodman knew he couldn't screw up in Chicago.

[BillMc]

Tim is the best NBA winner of our lifetime. There were no years lost to retirements (Jordan), team destruction (Kobe, Shaq) or team-switching (LeBron). You get Tim and you're going to win and win and win, and because of his personality, everyone else will fall inline and you'll maximize your roster, essential for a small market team not in glamorous location.

Shaq can call himself Wilt. Kobe chased Jordan. Tim was the modern day Bill Russell.

[dbreiden83080]

Tim is the best NBA winner of our lifetime. There were no years lost to retirements (Jordan), team destruction (Kobe, Shaq) or team-switching (LeBron). You get Tim and you're going to win and win and win, and because of his personality, everyone else will fall inline and you'll maximize your roster, essential for a small market team not in glamorous location.

Shaq can call himself Wilt. Kobe chased Jordan. Tim was the modern day Bill Russell.

Agreed. And I love the fact that Tim squared off with Lebron in the finals 3 times winning 2 of 3.. We all know it should have been 3-0.. But i'll take it..

[BSfromTX]

How many players play 19 years as a starter and make the POs every season, let alone your squad is almost always in the contender conversation during that time frame?

That alone speaks volumes to even casual fans.

Tim didn't do this when there was only 8 teams and 90% of the league was white. He did this is a far more compe ive and physical era in a much larger league.

He is simply incredible and under appreciated.

And all in a time when the WC was stacked!

[BillMc]

Agreed. And I love the fact that Tim squared off with Lebron in the finals 3 times winning 2 of 3.. We all know it should have been 3-0.. But i'll take it..

Exactly. In the two series victories Tim's team swept Lebron (2007) and then beat him by the greatest margin in NBA Finals History (2014). And Tim's defeat was by the narrowest of margins. LBJ is either overrated or Tim vastly underrated.

[Arcadian]

Exactly. In the two series victories Tim's team swept Lebron (2007) and then beat him by the greatest margin in NBA Finals History (2014). And Tim's defeat was by the narrowest of margins. LBJ is either overrated or Tim vastly underrated.

No doubt Tim got the best of Lebron in their playoff meetings, and was the better winner.

There is no clear-cut GOAT in basketball - every candidate has flaws you can point out. But Tim is definitely on the same level as Jordan, Lebron, or anyone else.

[dbreiden83080]

Exactly. In the two series victories Tim's team swept Lebron (2007) and then beat him by the greatest margin in NBA Finals History (2014). And Tim's defeat was by the narrowest of margins. LBJ is either overrated or Tim vastly underrated.

TD is top 10 on any list that is credible.. IMO A case can be made for top 5. But for Lebron a big issue with his GOAT candidacy is how many players of his era have eaten.. TD got 2 rings. Dirk got 1 Ring, Curry got 3 rings. KD going to the Warriors was BS.. BUT we all know who started that Bull .. Mr. I am "Taking my talents to South Beach" So no sympathy from me, dealing with a Superteam.. I have Lebron top 10 as well. But that's it..

[dbreiden83080]

No doubt Tim got the best of Lebron in their playoff meetings, and was the better winner.

There is no clear-cut GOAT in basketball - every candidate has flaws you can point out. But Tim is definitely on the same level as Jordan, Lebron, or anyone else.

Jordan had in so many ways a perfect career.. He quits at the top of his game after a 3 peat.. Is out almost 2 years and after one loss in 95, rips off another 3 peat and retires again.. It's hard to top that...

[Arcadian]

Jordan had in so many ways a perfect career.. He quits at the top of his game after a 3 peat.. Is out almost 2 years and after one loss in 95, rips off another 3 peat and retires again.. It's hard to top that...

[SASdynasty!]

Jordan had in so many ways a perfect career.. He quits at the top of his game after a 3 peat.. Is out almost 2 years and after one loss in 95, rips off another 3 peat and retires again.. It's hard to top that...

Jordan had a losing record for a third of his career. (5/15 seasons).
Duncan never had a season under .600 (and he played 4 more years).

Jordan did nothing before Pippen (1 playoff win against a team led by Terry mings, who went on to win the series 3-1).
Jordan didn’t win a chip until he the greatest coach of all time (which is why he vowed to not play in 99).

Jordan has the best #2 ever (MVP caliber player who took a paycut), the best Coach of all time, the best rebounder of all time, the best shooter of all time, and some of the most clutch teammates surrounding them even (like Paxson) to bail him out and get him over every hump he couldn’t.

Jordan without an all-time cast is a career loser who had one playoff win in 5 years even though there were only 22 teams in the league and everyone made the playoffs.