Democrats Have Abandoned Civil Liberties

[Splits]

It's a great writeup by Taibbi, and if you read past the headline, he mentions clearly that Republicans have abandoned them a long time ago (he's obviously right)

This is far from a new condemnation on Democrats. He points out areas like the Patriot Act, which they always supported and clearly clashes with other civil rights issues.

Something I think most here have denounced as clearly something the party (and the previous admin) has been wrong about (nobody would expect any better from Republicans).

Unfortunately, there's still a big section of Democrats in Washington that are the old warmonger school... Biden is one of those guys too. Then again, I suppose it could be worse. Your party could be co-opted by somebody like Trump, tbh

Oh I read it, and I agree with most of what he says and your thoughts here. But he does gloss over the degree of servitude the Repubs have shown to the surveillance state.

[ElNono]

Bargaining.

WTF?

And more bargaining.

Full-on bargaining.

Any point you want to make besides color commentary on my post?

This isn't really complicated. We're in a two party system, and if we're realistic, that's not changing. It's going to be Republicans vs Democrats for the foreseeable future.

You don't have to be a Democrat or Republican to understand how an incompetent president is devastating to it's own party (this applies evenly to both). Any change that you deem positive will have to come from within the parties.

I have no interest in neither Dems or GOP imploding, simply because that's hurtful to democracy in general. Ideally, I wouldn't want 16 years in a row of the same party in power on principle alone. However, I don't know that's worse than a flat out incompetent president.

[ElNono]

Oh I read it, and I agree with most of what he says and your thoughts here. But he does gloss over the degree of servitude the Repubs have shown to the surveillance state.

I think where he's coming from is that "I don't have to settle for this sandwich because the GOP is worse"... and I somewhat agree with that.

[TheGreatYacht]

Bend over, I'll in' show you the good of the hole.

DMC, you only care about violation of civil liberties and freedom when it's the Democrats who are in violation amirite? I mean if it's Trump or the GOP who are in the wrong, you will play semantics and do damage control amirite?

I'm not harping on you, I just want consistency

[pgardn]

DMC, you only care about violation of civil liberties and freedom when it's the Democrats who are in violation amirite? I mean if it's Trump or the GOP who are in the wrong, you will play semantics and do damage control amirite?

I'm not harping on you, I just want consistency

A lunatic asks for consistency...

[pgardn]

Bend over, I'll in' show you the good of the hole.

you don’t have enough blood in your whole body to get woody.

[DMC]

you don’t have enough blood in your whole body to get woody.

Thanks, it's big but not that big.

[DMC]

DMC, you only care about violation of civil liberties and freedom when it's the Democrats who are in violation amirite? I mean if it's Trump or the GOP who are in the wrong, you will play semantics and do damage control amirite?

I'm not harping on you, I just want consistency

Add more starch.

[Will Hunting]

Oh I read it, and I agree with most of what he says and your thoughts here. But he does gloss over the degree of servitude the Repubs have shown to the surveillance state.

Taibbi is writing for a target audience that already knows how bad the GOP is. It might come off this way but he’s not your typical lazy journalist trying to falsely equate the two. Any time Taibbi is writing about how bad the Democrats are, the basic premise is everyone knows how corrupt and ty Republicans are but Democratic voters are failing to recognize how ed up their own party is too.

People like the OP who misconstrue Taibbis article as some ringing endorsement of Republican politics know they’re being intellectually dishonest and were already voting Republicans anyway.

[Splits]

Taibbi is writing for a target audience that already knows how bad the GOP is. It might come off this way but he’s not your typical lazy journalist trying to falsely equate the two. Any time Taibbi is writing about how bad the Democrats are, the basic premise is everyone knows how corrupt and ty Republicans are but Democratic voters are failing to recognize how ed up their own party is too.

People like the OP who misconstrue Taibbis article as some ringing endorsement of Republican politics know they’re being intellectually dishonest and were already voting Republicans anyway.

Perfectly stated. Love me some Taibbi and Greenwald, been reading both for a decade+

[Will Hunting]

Perfectly stated. Love me some Taibbi and Greenwald, been reading both for a decade+

I’m a big Greenwald fan too, can’t even remember the last time this happened but it’s always great watching him as a guest on Real Time calling Bill Maher out for becoming a center right neoconservative asshole.

[Blake]

People like the OP who misconstrue Taibbis article as some ringing endorsement of Republican politics know they’re being intellectually dishonest and were already voting Republicans anyway.

[TSA]

Taibbi is writing for a target audience that already knows how bad the GOP is. It might come off this way but he’s not your typical lazy journalist trying to falsely equate the two. Any time Taibbi is writing about how bad the Democrats are, the basic premise is everyone knows how corrupt and ty Republicans are but Democratic voters are failing to recognize how ed up their own party is too.

People like the OP who misconstrue Taibbis article as some ringing endorsement of Republican politics know they’re being intellectually dishonest and were already voting Republicans anyway.

Where did I misconstrue the article as some ringing endorsement of Republican politics and when have I ever supported government over reach and surveillance?