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    Sounds like a call against police unions (and teachers' unions). I'm all for getting rid of bad cops and bad teachers but isn't it the Dem party that tows to the unions' bidding (and prevents school choice which I believe is a better way out of poverty).
    Apparently they didn't in Camden, so this facile argument doesn't work.

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    Why? Are they the people actually making the decisions?
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    Why? Are they the people actually making the decisions?
    Well he is attempting to Democratsplain what they really mean. Seems he should splain it to them first.

    It's not a big issue. If you say the protestors and what they want are irrelevant to the Democrat party then I'll accept your word for it.

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    Well he is attempting to Democratsplain what they really mean. Seems he should splain it to them first.
    No, he is explaining to people reading this forum what defunding actually means in practice. You clearly want it to be something else for the political advantage of your party.

    It's not a big issue. If you say the protestors and what they want are irrelevant to the Democrat party then I'll accept your word for it.
    The KKK is representative of you and your party according to you. I'll accept your word for it.

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    Maybe you can go to some of the protests and Democratsplain what it means to the people saying it means disband the police and talking about a police free future.

    No, no, no angry mob what you really mean is keep the police and raise taxes so we can provide more govt services.
    Well somebody watched Tucker Carlson.

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    Sounds like a call against police unions (and teachers' unions). I'm all for getting rid of bad cops and bad teachers but isn't it the Dem party that tows to the unions' bidding (and prevents school choice which I believe is a better way out of poverty).
    Dem establishment abandoned unions decades ago.

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    Well somebody watched Tucker Carlson.
    You?

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    This thread is a perfect example of how liberals are absolutely ing terrible at branding.

    "We're going to come up with this super provocative catchphrase that, at first glance, sounds like we're advocating for something really radical, but then we're going to spend days trying to explain to you that it's actually something you'd probably agree with. YOU'RE the idiot for not doing the research to figure out what we mean."

    Meanwhile the GOP is introducing legislation to close down the Post Office and they're calling it "The We Love Our Families Postal Act."

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    The MN councilwoman in the video with the mayor literally said "This is a Yes or No question" to a concept that requires 15 minutes at a minimum to explain.

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    No, he is explaining to people reading this forum what defunding actually means in practice. You clearly want it to be something else for the political advantage of your party.

    The KKK is representative of you and your party according to you. I'll accept your word for it.
    You're pulling out all the strawman stops on this one

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    Since Chump brought them up it should be noted that when the KKK says White Supremacy what they really mean is a more inclusive and just society. That's what it means in practice.

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    You're pulling out all the strawman stops on this one
    Ironic post.

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    Sounds like a call against police unions (and teachers' unions). I'm all for getting rid of bad cops and bad teachers but isn't it the Dem party that tows to the unions' bidding (and prevents school choice which I believe is a better way out of poverty).
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    Phrase is kowtow, btw. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kowtow

    It is, normally. This is one case where a union will just have to live with what society decides is best.

    I am for unions generally, although it seems like police unions tend to be run by jackasses, if the limited sample of them that seem to be making the news is representative.

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    Maybe you can go to some of the protests and Democratsplain what it means to the people saying it means disband the police and talking about a police free future.

    No, no, no angry mob what you really mean is keep the police and raise taxes so we can provide more govt services.
    Not really. I think we would need, overall, fewer police if we didn't force them to do so many functions that would better served by other experts, such as doctors and psychologists to handle addicts and homeless, etc.

    Quite frankly, I think quite a few of the angry mob understand this exactly. Not going to even try to claim all do.

    Let me know when you take some personal responsibility and actually read the article. It is really an interesting idea.

    Police themselves will admit this — that they are being called to respond to situations beyond the scope of their job. “We’re asking cops to do too much in this country,” Dallas Police Chief David Brown said in 2016, after five of his officers were targeted by a mass shooter. “Every societal failure, we put it off on the cops to solve. Not enough mental health funding, let the cops handle it… Here in Dallas we got a loose dog problem; let’s have the cops chase loose dogs. Schools fail, let’s give it to the cops… That’s too much to ask. Policing was never meant to solve all those problems.”

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    Phrase is kowtow, btw. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kowtow

    It is, normally. This is one case where a union will just have to live with what society decides is best.

    I am for unions generally, although it seems like police unions tend to be run by jackasses, if the limited sample of them that seem to be making the news is representative.
    Why not carry the same sentiment to teachers' unions which protect bad teachers? Doesn't the same philosophy apply? I guess ruining kids life by slowly languishing in bad schools is not seen as being (quickly) stopped on the street.

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    Dem establishment abandoned unions decades ago.
    Seems to me the teachers' unions still hold a lot of sway. It's unbelievable to me that a state like WV could be so against school choice. IMHO, the money should follow the student - that's the best way to get the best education - compe ion for the students.

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    How did this become about teachers?

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    San Antonio will never crack down on the Police. The fire and police unions proved their stroke when the ran Sheryl Sculley off. because she dared to stand up to them.

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    How did this become about teachers?
    Two peas in a pod if you ask me - imo, the teachers affect kids lives/outcomes more than cops. All this focus on cops - how many times in one's lifetime does one come in contact with a cop compared to a teacher - especially in the formative years? Wanna give minorities a better life - focus on the teachers/education - it's the best way out of poverty.

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    Two peas in a pod if you ask me - imo, the teachers affect kids lives/outcomes more than cops. All this focus on cops - how many times in one's lifetime does one come in contact with a cop compared to a teacher - especially in the formative years? Wanna give minorities a better life - focus on the teachers/education - it's the best way out of poverty.
    Why are there good non-charter schools?

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    This.

    If we spent as much on social services as we did on militarized police... we would not need militarized police.
    So you want porous borders AND increased social services to undo ented immigrants?

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    New Poll: 80 Percent Want to Keep, Increase Police Funding

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    defund them

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    Why are there good non-charter schools?
    Good public schools are more likely in good neighborhoods where parents are involved both time-wise and monetarily - good magnet schools usually have a special focus and additional resources to support that focus eg IB, STEM, etc.

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