But pun aside, there's millions of dollars in the balance here, so one would expect this to only escalate.We don't have the power
You need to catch them first, which apparently it's still a problem.
People like you that think fines or jail time of any sort is a deterrent don't understand the problem. Some of these people would gladly take a free ride in an American prison over going back to some of the holes.
I didn't say that, I was actually a proponent of better tech instead of the wall gimmick.
I'm pointing out that a wall isn't going to be an obstacle for cartels that make millions of dollars through smuggling.
It's a huge obstacle. Walls work. They've been used all throughout history for a reason.
The desperation.
You're forgetting the other side of it. Cartels are businesses too. It takes a lot of resources to train coyotes. They keep losing men, they're screwed.
And when they use greener coyotes and get busted more, they're even more screwed and losing money hand over fist directly, too.
That worked, too.
So we should just get rid of the 2nd amendment and all guns for personal protection, because walls work, right? don't be an idiot.
List me a wall that historically hasn't been breached, especially by a well funded and motivated opponent. It doesn't exist. Not even the Berlin wall.
Yes, it's pretty desperate for some of these people. This is apparently what you don't get.
Not to mention the epic fail on that wall...
Although a useful deterrent against raids, at several points throughout its history the Great Wall failed to stop enemies, including in 1644 when the Manchu Qing marched through the gates of Shanhai Pass and replaced the most ardent of the wall-building dynasties, the Ming, as rulers of China.
It's what you argued... you said walls historically work.
So they work or not?
Definitely had nothing to do with abolishing the second amendment. That was your desperation talking.
Yea, walls historically work. Read up.
Seems like stricter background checks and criminal punishment for employers who knowingly hire illegals or willfully bury their head in the sand would be a lot more thorough than a wall that people can hack through with a saw.
Mar a Lago needs its cheap groundskeepers though
We're talking security here... you're arguing walls work for that.Definitely had nothing to do with abolishing the second amendment. That was your desperation talking.
Yea, walls historically work. Read up.
Walls are great at delimiting, and provide a small amount of protection against a casual invader, but that's clearly not what we're talking about here.
I did read, even posted a quote. Still waiting for you to list the walls that historically 'worked'.
Can't do that. Part of the donor class.Seems like stricter background checks and criminal punishment for employers who knowingly hire illegals or willfully bury their head in the sand would be a lot more thorough than a wall that people can hack through with a saw.
Mar a Lago needs its cheap groundskeepers though
Yeah that's extremely hypocritical. Also need to punish employers who hire h1B's over US Citizens, especially for high paying jobs. I'm far less concerned with the $11/hour career dishwasher from Latin America who's funny and humble and a good overall individual than the $68/hour (US money) computer programmer from India with a ty xenophobic personality and then takes that money back to India and perpetuates the caste system there. Lose-lose.
Yet the hypocrisy doesn’t stop you from thinking Trump is some kind of populist who gives a about making sure American jobs don’t go to illegals
I'm not against enforcing our immigration border, tbh... but like you said, there's readily much better ways to deal with this problem.
We're now in year 3 or 4 of this wall, at a cost of millions (billions?) of dollars, and it's clearly ineffective (lol @ smugglers having the time to put putty on the other side after they crossed).
Plus it's not like we couldn't tell if it was efficient. A true working solution would make a substantial dent in drug smuggling and distribution at least, and that would inevitably make the news (Fox would be first in line here).
H1Bs are exactly for high paying jobs where there's not enough Americans to fulfill the position. The scam with H1Bs is consulting companies hiring H1Bs and not paying them top dollar, while subcontracting to companies that pay the consulting companies top dollar.
The vast majority of these consulting companies also provide outsourcing.
And yeah, this is another area where both conservative and liberals have been pretty silent about.
Yeah I’m all for enforcing the border too, but a big expensive wall that has major enviroental implications but smugglers and illegals can easily get through is re ed.
In the end though, if there is no way for illegals to make a living here, they’ll stop coming. In 2009 the net change in our illegal population was negative because there weren’t any jobs here. The idea that you punish the illegal immigrant for being here and not the employer that made it possible for the illegal to be here makes absolutely no sense.
Isn't that what IronMexican was ing about? That Obama substantially ramped up the deportations? IIRC, Barry still has the highest numbers of deportations, even after this gimmicky wall.
Obama had plenty of deportations but there were also a lot of illegals who just up and left because they couldn’t get work anymore.
Illegal immigration was a big problem in the 1990s/early 2000s because we had a temporary shortage of labor in the US due a construction bubble while NAFTA completely ed Mexican agriculture and sent Mexico into an economic crisis it never recovered from. Since 2007 the country’s illegal population has decreased, it shouldn’t even be an issue now. With a 15% unemployment rate it’s especially less an issue now than ever. No one is illegally immigrating to the US to try to get a job anytime soon.
WTF. This is my main and only account.Yea, you're the one who has it all figured out, weed.
You can't even do your sweeping stand-alone declarations on your main account.
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