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    Eh. I'll be glass half-empty. 538 shows he's polling at around 40.0% approval. That's not close to his 36% approval on December 17, 2017. The worst development(s) in December 2017 related to the Mueller report--nothing close to a global pandemic, 110k+ Americans dead, the protests, etc...

    If things were truly bad for Trump, wouldn't you expect the number to dip below 36%?

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    Eh. I'll be glass half-empty. 538 shows he's polling at around 40.0% approval. That's not close to his 36% approval on December 17, 2017. The worst development(s) in December 2017 related to the Mueller report--nothing close to a global pandemic, 110k+ Americans dead, the protests, etc...

    If things were truly bad for Trump, wouldn't you expect the number to dip below 36%?
    if the midterm results were reflective of that, it still bodes well

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    Reck, and RG for that matter, don't care about the candidate or any particular policies. They're just scarred from their girl losing unexpectedly and are hoping to trigger da repugs the way they were triggered last time.
    Keep telling yourself that as you watch Trump losing ground in states he should be winning. Losing Arizona and flirting with disaster in GA. Your guy.

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    Reck, and RG for that matter, don't care about the candidate or any particular policies. They're just scarred from their girl losing unexpectedly and are hoping to trigger da repugs the way they were triggered last time.
    this is such disingenuous bull . It's not like any Trump supporter is willing to defend his policies. Anytime I've asked for such, i.e., with respect to the COVID response, all I've gotten are deflection tornadoes of Hillary, Obama, etc... We're not talking about policy because team red doesn't want to have a conversation about policies (and yes, the posters here parrot conservative media, so it's a snapshot).

    RG repeatedly said in this thread that Biden wasn't his first choice. But I sure as know he cares about the candidates policies and would be more than willing to have a conversation about them. I'm nearly positive Reck is the same way too. On the other hand, there is absolutely no willingness on the red side to call out Trump. It's slovenly cult devotion, and this post is a prime example of it.

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    Eh. I'll be glass half-empty. 538 shows he's polling at around 40.0% approval. That's not close to his 36% approval on December 17, 2017. The worst development(s) in December 2017 related to the Mueller report--nothing close to a global pandemic, 110k+ Americans dead, the protests, etc...

    If things were truly bad for Trump, wouldn't you expect the number to dip below 36%?
    35-40% of this country would support Trump even if he was caught diddling an 8 year old boy. It’s doscouraging to see it stay above 40% but I definitely wouldn’t expect it to dip below 36%.

    The other factor to consider is that in the middle of a crisis the president typically sees his approval rating skyrocket (ie GWB after 9/11). If Trump we’re handling COVID-19 with even a modi of competency, his approval rating would be north of 50% imo.

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    35-40% of this country would support Trump even if he was caught diddling an 8 year old boy. It’s doscouraging to see it stay above 40% but I definitely wouldn’t expect it to dip below 36%.

    The other factor to consider is that in the middle of a crisis the president typically sees his approval rating skyrocket (ie GWB after 9/11). If Trump we’re handling COVID-19 with even a modi of competency, his approval rating would be north of 50% imo.
    Hadn't considered the latter part, fair point.

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    The other thing is today’s polls (if you believe them) in some ways are a new low for Trump even vs. December 17,2017. I can’t remember a poll at any point where he was ever down by over 10 points in Florida or 15 points in Michigan.

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    Reck, and RG for that matter, don't care about the candidate or any particular policies. They're just scarred from their girl losing unexpectedly and are hoping to trigger da repugs the way they were triggered last time.
    I don't think you could honestly represent someone elses views that you didn't agree with if someone pointed a gun to your head. Strawman to the last.

    Don't care about Hillary, but I do care about the damage that Trumps corruption, incompetence, and venality have done to the country. That is really driving me crazy. Especially with dishonest people like you carrying water for an intellectually and morally bankrupt ideology.

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    35-40% of this country would support Trump even if he was caught diddling an 8 year old boy. It’s doscouraging to see it stay above 40% but I definitely wouldn’t expect it to dip below 36%.

    The other factor to consider is that in the middle of a crisis the president typically sees his approval rating skyrocket (ie GWB after 9/11). If Trump [were] handling COVID-19 with even a modi of competency, his approval rating would be north of 50% imo.
    Agreed.

    He has a definite "floor" of cult members who will never abandon him, and worship him in the creepiest ways possible.

    That isn't enough to win in November. He has lost errybody else.

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    Less and less red, more brown and blue.

    That is the current default map.

    This is what happens when MOST of the swing states electoral votes go Republican:



    This is unlikely in a wave year.

    This is what happens in a huge wave year, highly unlikely it will be that bad for the fascists.



    Reality will be somewhere in between. Fewer and fewer roads to re-election for Trump either way.
    You should apply for MSNBC.

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    The other thing is today’s polls (if you believe them) in some ways are a new low for Trump even vs. December 17,2017. I can’t remember a poll at any point where he was ever down by over 10 points in Florida or 15 points in Michigan.
    I don't know about Michigan, but I don't believe any poll that has Trump down 10 points in Florida.

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    I don't think you could honestly represent someone elses views that you didn't agree with if someone pointed a gun to your head. Strawman to the last.

    Don't care about Hillary, but I do care about the damage that Trumps corruption, incompetence, and venality have done to the country. That is really driving me crazy. Especially with dishonest people like you carrying water for an intellectually and morally bankrupt ideology.
    Did Trump collude with Russia to steal the election?

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    this is such disingenuous bull . It's not like any Trump supporter is willing to defend his policies. Anytime I've asked for such, i.e., with respect to the COVID response, all I've gotten are deflection tornadoes of Hillary, Obama, etc... We're not talking about policy because team red doesn't want to have a conversation about policies (and yes, the posters here parrot conservative media, so it's a snapshot).

    RG repeatedly said in this thread that Biden wasn't his first choice. But I sure as know he cares about the candidates policies and would be more than willing to have a conversation about them. I'm nearly positive Reck is the same way too. On the other hand, there is absolutely no willingness on the red side to call out Trump. It's slovenly cult devotion, and this post is a prime example of it.
    Did Trump collude with Russia to steal the election?
    Case and point.

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    I don't know about Michigan, but I don't believe any poll that has Trump down 10 points in Florida.
    I think it ebbs and flows. Right now is a low point. I have every expectation that come election time Florida will be within a 2% margin regardless of who wins. IIRC it’s been within 2% in every election since 2000 other than 2004.

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    I think it ebbs and flows. Right now is a low point. I have every expectation that come election time Florida will be within a 2% margin regardless of who wins. IIRC it’s been within 2% in every election since 2000 other than 2004.
    100k votes. Roughly what Hillary lost it by.

    I think by default he should do better than her so maybe the 100k deficit becomes 50k. That’s a much better starting point to try to overcome.

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    100k votes. Roughly what Hillary lost it by.

    I think by default he should do better than her so maybe the 100k deficit becomes 50k. That’s a much better starting point to try to overcome.
    The Republicans in Florida love Trump, his support in the panhandle alone is probably enough to make it close. Desantis is also a s bag who’s going to with voting in southeast Florida.

    People also think that the felons being able to vote is going to swing things a lot and it’s not clear that it will. The white felons in florida who can now vote are predominantly of the cousin ing white trash variety and they’ll go for Trump.

    It’s not a guarantee Biden loses or anything, but it’s going to be a razor thin state like it always is.

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    Case and point.
    not surprising you missed the point

    POOOOOTIN!
    Let's have an honest discussion about Trump

    It's funny

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    not surprising you missed the point

    POOOOOTIN!
    Let's have an honest discussion about Trump

    It's funny
    So emotional. Take a glass of water.

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    I don't know about Michigan, but I don't believe any poll that has Trump down 10 points in Florida.
    Confirmation bias
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    Confirmation bias is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information that confirms or support one's prior personal beliefs or values.[1] It is an important type of cognitive bias that has a significant effect on the proper functioning of society by distorting evidence-based decision-making. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. For example, a person may cherry-pick empirical data that supports one's belief, ignoring the remainder of the data that is not supportive. People also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position. The effect is strongest for desired outcomes, for emotionally charged issues, and for deeply entrenched beliefs.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

    Sokay. Reality doesn't care about your fee fees.

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    Did Trump collude with Russia to steal the election?
    His campaign manager gave internal polling data to a known russian intelligence operative. Russia being a country with an active and ongoing disinformation campaign, that ironically you yourself got suckered by your white millenials fleeing the democratic party thread.

    He called publicly for Russian interference, and it is almost certain that he knew about the meeting with the Russian lawyer for dirt on Hillary.

    Not enough evidence to conclusively prove that"Trump colluded", but I think it more than a remote possibility.

    Russia itself had a decided preference, and acted on that preference.

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    Vy65: Trump supporters are disingenuous, never call him out, and simply deflect
    Snakeboy: Deflects

    Case and point.

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    The Republicans in Florida love Trump, his support in the panhandle alone is probably enough to make it close. Desantis is also a s bag who’s going to with voting in southeast Florida.

    People also think that the felons being able to vote is going to swing things a lot and it’s not clear that it will. The white felons in florida who can now vote are predominantly of the cousin ing white trash variety and they’ll go for Trump.

    It’s not a guarantee Biden loses or anything, but it’s going to be a razor thin state like it always is.
    No, the s bag was the other choice - Gillum - found drunk/doped in hotel room with male escort. DeSantis, despite Florida having a very large number of seniors/nursing homes/retirees, kept the Covid death rate very low with his policies. Maybe you should go disparage the other s bag, Cuomo, who didn't. And if there's messing with the voting in Southeast Florida, it'll be Broward County and their suspect voting shenanigans that interfere.

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    No, the s bag was the other choice - Gillum - found drunk/doped in hotel room with male escort. DeSantis, despite Florida having a very large number of seniors/nursing homes/retirees, kept the Covid death rate very low with his policies. Maybe you should go disparage the other s bag, Cuomo, who didn't. And if there's messing with the voting in Southeast Florida, it'll be Broward County and their suspect voting shenanigans that interfere.
    How is that working out now?

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    How is that working out now?
    It's working out just fine - look at 7 day average trend line (sorry I can't pick up chart) on daily fatalities (last chart) - equal or better than trend line going back to April 7th and that's with the state opening up.

    Deaths

    The chart below tracks the daily reported deaths and provides a 7-day average trend line based on cases reported by the Florida Department of Health (DOH) through June 17th.

    https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/...avirus-battle/

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    It's working out just fine - look at 7 day average trend line (sorry I can't pick up chart) on daily fatalities (last chart) - equal or better than trend line going back to April 7th and that's with the state opening up.

    Deaths

    The chart below tracks the daily reported deaths and provides a 7-day average trend line based on cases reported by the Florida Department of Health (DOH) through June 17th.

    https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/...avirus-battle/
    No, its not. lol

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