By October Trumo will have 60 million unused doses of hydrocholoquine and 200 thousand carcasses in bodybags

[Dirks_Finale]

Could it be weaker in the warmer climate? I think it's possible. It's also a matter of doctors making better decisions. They now understand not to position patients on their backs during hospitalization as it is more of a strain on the body to fight for oxygen in that position. And they know that 80% of folks on vents never come off, so they are less likely to go that route unless they are absolutely certain it's a necessity. Also, Remdesivir is out there and the low dose steroid is being used in the UK with success.

I buy it only because in my (non scientific) opinion, it makes logical sense that a virus might mutate more rapidly with a new carrier (humans). It also makes sense that less deadly strands of the virus are spreading while the deadlier strands are more contained.

[TimDunkem]

Could it be weaker in the warmer climate? I think it's possible. It's also a matter of doctors making better decisions. They now understand not to position patients on their backs during hospitalization as it is more of a strain on the body to fight for oxygen in that position. And they know that 80% of folks on vents never come off, so they are less likely to go that route unless they are absolutely certain it's a necessity. Also, Remdesivir is out there and the low dose steroid is being used in the UK with success.

That and your immune system is generally stronger in warmer months, but as I said, we're probably in a trough with deaths due to the lag of low infections in early May coming off of peak social distancing.

If anything, it's possibly less deadly in warmer months as it's less likely your immune system freaks out, but it's still just as INFECTIOUS. Also, yes, the fact we know a lot more about treating the worst patients certainly helps a lot.

Still, wait until late July to see where we were now, and August coming off of 4th of July...Then get ready for fall and winter when Flu comes back strong.

[Dirks_Finale]

That and your immune system is generally stronger in warmer months, but as I said, we're probably in a trough with deaths due to the lag of low infections in early May coming off of peak social distancing.

If anything, it's possibly less deadly in warmer months as it's less likely your immune system freaks out, but it's still just as INFECTIOUS. Also, yes, the fact we know a lot more about treating the worst patients certainly helps a lot.

Still, wait until late July to see where we were now, and August coming off of 4th of July...Then get ready for fall and winter when Flu comes back strong.

That's the part that is very interesting to me as we've been told that would not be the case in the warmer months. That the virus supposedly rapidly disappates in sunlight and/or humid settings, like Influenza.

And yeah, I think it's a combination of these things. Another issue to consider is viral load which was never really a thing with past viruses but seems to be with this one. The healthcare professionals with high viral load were perishing from the virus early on. The less exposure the better the outcome, even if you are already infected. I think a lot of people get that now and are distancing themselves from their loved ones once they realize they have it.

[TimDunkem]

Certainly is a weird virus. The one thing I do hold out hope for is that we're going to learn a of a lot when all is said and done.

Sadly, I still think we're going to lose a lot more until it's over.

[pgardn]

That's the part that is very interesting to me as we've been told that would not be the case in the warmer months. That the virus supposedly rapidly disappates in sunlight and/or humid settings, like Influenza.

And yeah, I think it's a combination of these things. Another issue to consider is viral load which was never really a thing with past viruses but seems to be with this one. The healthcare professionals with high viral load were perishing from the virus early on. The less exposure the better the outcome, even if you are already infected. I think a lot of people get that now and are distancing themselves from their loved ones once they realize they have it.

I would feel comfortable in saying UV definitely helps for outdoors; should not be as worrisome on surfaces. you still don’t want to get anybody’s face.
some of the worst outbreaks are inside loud voices people singing right next to each other.
or of course inside hospitals that are treating people.

[rogcl1]

You could very well be right, and if you are we’re really ed

We can’t afford for the economy to go into another complete shutdown either way imo, if a state like Florida has to reverse course and shut down again, we’re going to see unprecedented levels of financial market volatility and chaos. If a bunch of boomers die off then so be it, next time they should vote for a president who takes public health crises seriously.

The one thing that I think is clear is that the increase in cases in states like Florida isn’t solely due to “more testing!” New York/New Jersey/Massachusetts all have more testing too, and their cases are declining. The states where cases are increasing are the states that haven’t taken this seriously.

Alright dude ,climb down off of your all knowing pedestal and quit stereotyping and making statements that sound like Trump himself and his blind minions.. "If a bunch of boomers die off then so be it,(Wow asshole) next time they should vote for a president who takes public health crisis seriously. " I am 67 years old and didn't vote for Trump nor did the overwhelming majority of my "boomer" friends. If you have beliefs like that you are just as big a threat as the other idiots. kiss my ass fool.

[TimDunkem]

Alright dude ,climb down off of your all knowing pedestal and quit stereotyping and making statements that sound like Trump himself and his blind minions.. "If a bunch of boomers die off then so be it,(Wow asshole) next time they should vote for a president who takes public health crisis seriously. " I am 67 years old and didn't vote for Trump nor did the overwhelming majority of my "boomer" friends. If you have beliefs like that you are just as big a threat as the other idiots. kiss my ass fool.

Congrats. You and your friends are in the boomer minority.

[rogcl1]

Congrats. You and your friends are in the boomer minority.

The "let the old people die off thing really is a sensitive area for me. i take care of my parents in their mid 90's and I myself am no spring chicken and I have had spirited discussions with others , not just young folk, about their idea of the old people having lived their life so what if they die off. This discussion has come when they are espousing their views that they will not wear a mask or social distance ,because it infringes on their freedom. As for the voting, those of my friends in my former profession and mostly more educated have mostly all always despised Trump. I have found lately though that some of those outside that set of cir stances have cooled greatly on Trump. It is not old vs young, economy vs health or anything like that. The economy will flourish when its is safe for all to get out as before. In the meantime there are things that can be done to make things as safe as possible for ALL, such as masks, social distancing, avoiding tight closed in areas ect. The whole world is working on this and science will figure it out if the virus itself doesn't dissapate. And in the meantime we all owe it to everyone , young and old and in between, to take the precautions that are known to slow the spread of the virus.

[TSA]

That's the part that is very interesting to me as we've been told that would not be the case in the warmer months. That the virus supposedly rapidly disappates in sunlight and/or humid settings, like Influenza.

And yeah, I think it's a combination of these things. Another issue to consider is viral load which was never really a thing with past viruses but seems to be with this one. The healthcare professionals with high viral load were perishing from the virus early on. The less exposure the better the outcome, even if you are already infected. I think a lot of people get that now and are distancing themselves from their loved ones once they realize they have it.

It can still be true that the virus dissipates in sunlight/warm weather and we still see cases spread as it's too hot to do anything outdoors and people stay inside together with the AC on.

[daslicer]

You could very well be right, and if you are we’re really ed

We can’t afford for the economy to go into another complete shutdown either way imo, if a state like Florida has to reverse course and shut down again, we’re going to see unprecedented levels of financial market volatility and chaos. If a bunch of boomers die off then so be it, next time they should vote for a president who takes public health crises seriously.

The one thing that I think is clear is that the increase in cases in states like Florida isn’t solely due to “more testing!” New York/New Jersey/Massachusetts all have more testing too, and their cases are declining. The states where cases are increasing are the states that haven’t taken this seriously.

The vibe I get it is from politicians on both sides that there will not be another shutdown. They are going to pretty much risk people dying to stop an economic meltdown. I feel we could still have a meltdown even with that terrible strategy due to crashing the healthcare system which will have a domino effect on other industries.

[spurraider21]

or just keep fingers cross that a vaccine is developed and mass produced relatively soon

and make sure TGY isn't allowed to buy food at the market until he gets the vaccine and is microchipped to prove it

but only him

[rogcl1]

The vibe I get it is from politicians on both sides that there will not be another shutdown. They are going to pretty much risk people dying to stop an economic meltdown. I feel we could still have a meltdown even with that terrible strategy due to crashing the healthcare system which will have a domino effect on other industries.

Yes. What you say makes great sense. Neither forced opening or forced shutdown is the whole answer. People's confidence and health will determine the level of opening or shutdown. That is why it is so imperative to do those things that we can and are known to slow the spread in the meantime ,otherwise the economic crash and hardship on the healthcare system could be devastating. Forced opening with people crying about their rights and not wearing masks or distancing and hanging out in tight indoor settings is what could make for a difficult situation .

[Dirks_Finale]

Yeah, it seems to be peaking in the miserably hot states like TX and AZ so that makes sense.

It can still be true that the virus dissipates in sunlight/warm weather and we still see cases spread as it's too hot to do anything outdoors and people stay inside together with the AC on.

[Dirks_Finale]

Do you trust a vaccine that has been hurried through? Say we get mass produced and ready in Dec... Will you receive it?

or just keep fingers cross that a vaccine is developed and mass produced relatively soon

and make sure TGY isn't allowed to buy food at the market until he gets the vaccine and is microchipped to prove it

but only him

[spurraider21]

Do you trust a vaccine that has been hurried through? Say we get mass produced and ready in Dec... Will you receive it?

if it's gone through the appropriate clinical trials, then yes.

[Will Hunting]

Alright dude ,climb down off of your all knowing pedestal and quit stereotyping and making statements that sound like Trump himself and his blind minions.. "If a bunch of boomers die off then so be it,(Wow asshole) next time they should vote for a president who takes public health crisis seriously. " I am 67 years old and didn't vote for Trump nor did the overwhelming majority of my "boomer" friends. If you have beliefs like that you are just as big a threat as the other idiots. kiss my ass fool.

OK boomer