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    Show your math or you don't know and you're just gossiping.

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    Lololololol study asymptomatic persons for...... symptoms. Lololoolokl


    Ifr less than flu.

    Show how to compute or you dont know and you are just gossiping.


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    Lololol ChumpDumper all he can do is parrot. I'm flattered.
    Wrong. You can't show your math. You only gossip.

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    Kids Rarely Transmit Covid-19, Say UVM Docs in Top Journal

    A commentary published in the journal Pediatrics, the official peer-reviewed journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics, concludes that children infrequently transmit Covid-19 to each other or to adults and that many schools, provided they follow appropriate social distancing guidelines and take into account rates of transmission in their community, can and should reopen in the fall.

    The authors, Benjamin Lee, M.D. and William V. Raszka, Jr., M.D., are both pediatric infectious disease specialists on the faculty of the University of Vermont’s Larner College of Medicine. Dr. Raszka is an associate editor of Pediatrics.

    The authors of the commentary, led “COVID-19 Transmission and Children: The Child Is Not to Blame,” base their conclusions on a new study published in the current issue of Pediatrics, “COVID-19 in Children and the Dynamics of Infection in Families,” and four other recent studies that examine Covid-19 transmission by and among children.

    In the new Pediatrics study, Klara M. Posfay-Barbe, M.D., a faculty member at University of Geneva’s medical school, and her colleagues studied the households of 39 Swiss children infected with Covid-19. Contract tracing revealed that in only three (8%) was a child the suspected index case, with symptom onset preceding illness in adult household contacts.

    In a recent study in China, researchers’ contact tracing demonstrated that of the 68 children with Covid-19 admitted to Qingdao Women's and Children's Hospital from January 20 to February 27, 2020, 96% were household contacts of previously infected adults. In another study of Chinese children, nine of 10 children admitted to several provincial hospitals outside Wuhan contracted Covid-19 from an adult, with only one possible child-to-child transmission, based on the timing of disease onset.

    In a French study, a boy with Covid-19 exposed over 80 classmates at three schools to the disease. None contracted it. Transmission of other respiratory diseases, including influenza transmission, was common at the schools.

    In a study in New South Wales, nine infected students and nine staff across 15 schools exposed a total of 735 students and 128 staff to Covid-19. Only two secondary infections resulted, one transmitted by an adult to a child.

    “The data are striking,” said Dr. Raszka. “The key takeaway is that children are not driving the pandemic. After six months, we have a wealth of ac ulating data showing that children are less likely to become infected and seem less infectious; it is congregating adults who aren’t following safety protocols who are responsible for driving the upward curve.”

    Rising cases among adults and children in Texas childcare facilities, which have seen 894 Covid-19 cases among staff members and 441 among children in 883 child care facilities across the state, have the potential to be misinterpreted, Dr. Raszka said. He has not studied the details of the outbreak.

    “There is widespread transmission of Covid-19 in Texas today, with many adults congregating without observing social distancing or wearing masks,” he said. “While we don’t yet know the dynamics of the outbreak, it is unlikely that infants and young children in daycare are driving the surge. Based on the evidence, it’s more plausible that adults are passing the infection to the children in the vast majority of cases.”

    Additional support for the notion that children are not significant vectors of the disease comes from mathematical modeling, the authors say. Models show that community-wide social distancing and widespread adoption of facial cloth coverings are far better strategies for curtailing disease spread, and that closing schools adds little. The fact that schools have reopened in many Western European countries and in Japan without seeing a rise in community transmissions bears out the accuracy of the modeling.

    Reopening schools in a safe manner this fall is important for the healthy development of children, the authors say. “By doing so, we could minimize the potentially profound adverse social, developmental, and health costs that our children will continue to suffer until an effective treatment or vaccine can be developed and distributed, or failing that, until we reach herd immunity,” the paper concludes.

    https://www.uvm.edu/uvmnews/news/kid...cs-top-journal
    Disingenuous tsa never wants to discuss the bolded part.



    Just curious, what does the conspiracy nut side of tsa think of a school in bad financial shape pushing it's own research saying it's okay to go to school?

    https://www.wcax.com/content/news/UV...570463871.html

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    Disingenuous tsa never wants to discuss the bolded part.



    Just curious, what does the conspiracy nut side of tsa think of a school in bad financial shape pushing it's own research saying it's okay to go to school?

    https://www.wcax.com/content/news/UV...570463871.html
    Disingenuous Blake never wants to discuss what immediately follows the bolded part.

    “There is widespread transmission of Covid-19 in Texas today, with many adults congregating without observing social distancing or wearing masks,” he said. “While we don’t yet know the dynamics of the outbreak, it is unlikely that infants and young children in daycare are driving the surge. Based on the evidence, it’s more plausible that adults are passing the infection to the children in the vast majority of cases.”

    And again Blake being disingenuous...neither of the pediatric infectious disease specialists even mentioned opening up colleges let alone their own campus and UVM's financial situation isn't unique.

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    Disingenuous Blake never wants to discuss what immediately follows the bolded part.

    “There is widespread transmission of Covid-19 in Texas today, with many adults congregating without observing social distancing or wearing masks,” he said. “While we don’t yet know the dynamics of the outbreak, it is unlikely that infants and young children in daycare are driving the surge. Based on the evidence, it’s more plausible that adults are passing the infection to the children in the vast majority of cases.”

    And again Blake being disingenuous...neither of the pediatric infectious disease specialists even mentioned opening up colleges let alone their own campus and UVM's financial situation isn't unique.
    I read it just fine. Either you don't or you're disingenuous, take your pick.

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    I’ve shown you enough and will keep telling you it’s not only safe but necessary to open schools. You’re the one who needs to do more research, I’m not the one living with a terrified wife who refuses to do her job while ignoring science.
    That does not look like a study on infection rates in high schoolers.

    You showed me a ton of studies on children under 10, which also showed that infection rates in teenagers mirorred that of the general population.

    Are high schools safe to open too?

    I asked you for the Trump administration plan for that as well.

    There is no plan is there?

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    That does not look like a study on infection rates in high schoolers.

    You showed me a ton of studies on children under 10, which also showed that infection rates in teenagers mirorred that of the general population.

    Are high schools safe to open too?

    I asked you for the Trump administration plan for that as well.

    There is no plan is there?
    YES BECAUSE SWEDEN /TEXT WALL

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    Kids Rarely Transmit Covid-19, Say UVM Docs in Top Journal

    A commentary published in the journal Pediatrics, the official peer-reviewed journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics, concludes that children infrequently transmit Covid-19 to each other or to adults and that many schools, provided they follow appropriate social distancing guidelines and take into account rates of transmission in their community, can and should reopen in the fall.

    The authors, Benjamin Lee, M.D. and William V. Raszka, Jr., M.D., are both pediatric infectious disease specialists on the faculty of the University of Vermont’s Larner College of Medicine. Dr. Raszka is an associate editor of Pediatrics.

    The authors of the commentary, led “COVID-19 Transmission and Children: The Child Is Not to Blame,” base their conclusions on a new study published in the current issue of Pediatrics, “COVID-19 in Children and the Dynamics of Infection in Families,” and four other recent studies that examine Covid-19 transmission by and among children.

    In the new Pediatrics study, Klara M. Posfay-Barbe, M.D., a faculty member at University of Geneva’s medical school, and her colleagues studied the households of 39 Swiss children infected with Covid-19. Contract tracing revealed that in only three (8%) was a child the suspected index case, with symptom onset preceding illness in adult household contacts.

    In a recent study in China, researchers’ contact tracing demonstrated that of the 68 children with Covid-19 admitted to Qingdao Women's and Children's Hospital from January 20 to February 27, 2020, 96% were household contacts of previously infected adults. In another study of Chinese children, nine of 10 children admitted to several provincial hospitals outside Wuhan contracted Covid-19 from an adult, with only one possible child-to-child transmission, based on the timing of disease onset.

    In a French study, a boy with Covid-19 exposed over 80 classmates at three schools to the disease. None contracted it. Transmission of other respiratory diseases, including influenza transmission, was common at the schools.

    In a study in New South Wales, nine infected students and nine staff across 15 schools exposed a total of 735 students and 128 staff to Covid-19. Only two secondary infections resulted, one transmitted by an adult to a child.

    “The data are striking,” said Dr. Raszka. “The key takeaway is that children are not driving the pandemic. After six months, we have a wealth of ac ulating data showing that children are less likely to become infected and seem less infectious; it is congregating adults who aren’t following safety protocols who are responsible for driving the upward curve.”

    Rising cases among adults and children in Texas childcare facilities, which have seen 894 Covid-19 cases among staff members and 441 among children in 883 child care facilities across the state, have the potential to be misinterpreted, Dr. Raszka said. He has not studied the details of the outbreak.

    “There is widespread transmission of Covid-19 in Texas today, with many adults congregating without observing social distancing or wearing masks,” he said. “While we don’t yet know the dynamics of the outbreak, it is unlikely that infants and young children in daycare are driving the surge. Based on the evidence, it’s more plausible that adults are passing the infection to the children in the vast majority of cases.”

    Additional support for the notion that children are not significant vectors of the disease comes from mathematical modeling, the authors say. Models show that community-wide social distancing and widespread adoption of facial cloth coverings are far better strategies for curtailing disease spread, and that closing schools adds little. The fact that schools have reopened in many Western European countries and in Japan without seeing a rise in community transmissions bears out the accuracy of the modeling.

    Reopening schools in a safe manner this fall is important for the healthy development of children, the authors say. “By doing so, we could minimize the potentially profound adverse social, developmental, and health costs that our children will continue to suffer until an effective treatment or vaccine can be developed and distributed, or failing that, until we reach herd immunity,” the paper concludes.

    https://www.uvm.edu/uvmnews/news/kid...cs-top-journal
    Those studies are all about "children" ten and under.

    What about the tens of millions of teenagers?

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    Disingenuous Blake never wants to discuss what immediately follows the bolded part.

    “There is widespread transmission of Covid-19 in Texas today, with many adults congregating without observing social distancing or wearing masks,” he said. “While we don’t yet know the dynamics of the outbreak, it is unlikely that infants and young children in daycare are driving the surge. Based on the evidence, it’s more plausible that adults are passing the infection to the children in the vast majority of cases.”

    And again Blake being disingenuous...neither of the pediatric infectious disease specialists even mentioned opening up colleges let alone their own campus and UVM's financial situation isn't unique.
    You said "schools" are safe to reopen, but only showed data for schools for children 10 and under.

    57,000,000 students in grades k-12.

    10 years old and under is 6/13ths of that population, or less than half.

    Your own studies admit that teenagers infect others at rates that approach that of adults.

    5/13 of that population are teenagers. 38% of 57,000,000 is 21,923,000

    I guess in Trumpworld, 21,923,000 children are not important? The 13 year old child that Trump raped with Epstein certainly doesn't bother you.

    So what you reall meant was "less than half of schools should be safe to open, let's open them all"?

    Once again your Dear Leader has made you defend an untenable garbage position. Boot licking is a full time job these days.
    Last edited by RandomGuy; 07-16-2020 at 05:20 PM.

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    BUT SWEDEN THO

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    You said "schools" are safe to reopen, but only showed data for schools for children 10 and under.

    57,000,000 students in grades k-12.

    10 years old and under is 6/13ths of that population, or less than half.

    Your own studies admit that teenagers infect others at rates that approach that of adults.

    5/13 of that population are teenagers. 38% of 57,000,000 is 21,923,000

    I guess in Trumpworld, 21,923,000 children are not important? The 13 year old child that Trump raped with Epstein certainly doesn't bother you.

    So what you reall meant was "less than half of schools should be safe to open, let's open them all"?

    Once again your Dear Leader has made you defend an untenable garbage position. Boot licking is a full time job these days.
    High school kids can wear masks effectively, unlike younger children. You were okay with high school kids protesting in mass for George Floyd while wearing masks. If you aren’t okay with them attending school in masks either you’re a hypocrite or you don’t believe mask work. And if your wife doesn’t want to teach with a mask on maybe she should find something new.

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    Those studies are all about "children" ten and under.

    What about the tens of millions of teenagers?
    Addressed. Now what are your thoughts on the young kids being allowed back in school?

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    Was it?

    Part of the new Israeli outbreak was a high school they had to shut down.

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    High school kids can wear masks effectively, unlike younger children. You were okay with high school kids protesting in mass for George Floyd while wearing masks. If you aren’t okay with them attending school in masks either you’re a hypocrite or you don’t believe mask work. And if your wife doesn’t want to teach with a mask on maybe she should find something new.
    Teachers are now front line for the economy.
    get the kids back with the teachers and the parents off to work.
    when the teachers go down like the nurses and doctors in hospitals, the Young virile and viral studley subs utes like sputracular and TGY Will save the day

    thinking of how outstanding it will be to have these two teaching our future generation

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    Teachers are now front line for the economy.
    TSA barking out marching orders from the golf course.

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    High school kids can wear masks effectively, unlike younger children. You were okay with high school kids protesting in mass for George Floyd while wearing masks. If you aren’t okay with them attending school in masks either you’re a hypocrite or you don’t believe mask work. And if your wife doesn’t want to teach with a mask on maybe she should find something new.
    Are you ing re ed? Masks don't stop transmission if you're cooped up for eight hours packed tightly with 35 other people in a room. The most important thing is limiting exposure through not spending a lot of time indoors close to people from outside your household.

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    Are you ing re ed? Masks don't stop transmission if you're cooped up for eight hours packed tightly with 35 other people in a room. The most important thing is limiting exposure through not spending a lot of time indoors close to people from outside your household.
    we can have a bunch of little Covid parties under the guise of school

    let’s test herd immunity again

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    TSA barking out marching orders from the golf course.
    Hydroxychloroquine? Check
    Blame Mexico? Check
    Open schools? Check
    Blame BLM protests? Check
    Find something new per Ivanka? Check
    Last edited by Blake; 07-16-2020 at 06:06 PM.

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    And if your wife doesn’t want to teach with a mask on maybe she should find something new.
    And tsa confirms ing idiot status

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    And tsa confirms ing idiot status
    Yeah RandomGuy if he's not willing to sacrifice his wife for Trump's re-election campaign. We should all fall on our swords for our poor mistreated Dear Leader.

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    I'm fine with not reopening schools, but that's easy for me. I've already been working from home for years and I have older kids who are self sufficient.

    I'm pretty sure school closures disproportionately affect poorer families.

    Oh well.

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    I'm fine with not reopening schools, but that's easy for me. I've already been working from home for years and I have older kids who are self sufficient.

    I'm pretty sure school closures disproportionately affect poorer families.

    Oh well.
    Absolutely poor families have a much more difficult time.
    same thing is happening with healthcare right now, the death rate comparison Is awful
    Healthcare and schooling are still huge challenges for this country and its ever-growing difference in wealth

    The orange guy does have a plan on schooling however, very unlike healthcare where he nothing

    Schools will open. guidelines not clear.
    He has given up on the virus, except for hoping it disappears and possibly thwarting The flow of information.

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    Absolutely poor families have a much more difficult time.
    same thing is happening with healthcare right now, the death rate comparison Is awful
    Healthcare and schooling are still huge challenges for this country and its ever-growing difference in wealth

    The orange guy does have a plan on schooling however, very unlike healthcare where he nothing

    Schools will open. guidelines not clear.
    He has given up on the virus, except for hoping it disappears and possibly thwarting The flow of information.
    Trump's COVID plan is hope people get numb to the deaths.

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    High school kids can wear masks effectively, unlike younger children. You were okay with high school kids protesting in mass for George Floyd while wearing masks. If you aren’t okay with them attending school in masks either you’re a hypocrite or you don’t believe mask work. And if your wife doesn’t want to teach with a mask on maybe she should find something new.
    man who gives a about being a hypocrite. Like that matters Everyone on earth is a ing hypocrite. So what? Nobody in ing Lubbock was protesting BLM so they should have a higher risk to getting Corona?

    Anyways since you don't know about you should just say so unless you want to be a hypocrite Unemployment is like 1928 style but yeah lets just all get new jobs. The you say. By state law, there is a cap on he amount of kids you can have in a classroom. BUT since the state doesn't actually have the funding to support their own ing law (nice one TX) and it's easy to get a waiver where you don't have to follow that law. Classroom aren't that big. The classes have 30-35 kids (when I subbed I once had 70 kids in one ing classroom) in a small ass room. Students don't listen. They just don't. They're going to take off their mask. They're going to make jokes about Corona. They're going to cough on teachers they don't like. In some fantasy world, kids just listen and are amazing, but they're not. And it's not just his wife homie. Thousands of teachers signed pe ions. Where are you going to get the people to replace them if they just do as you say and get rid of those who feel uncomfortable being in a small classroom with 100 students a day. HISD had over 850 openings for teachers just last week

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