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Trump's narrative or reality's narrative?
For purposes of this discussion, doesn’t really matter.
You're not gonna face it 'til it's a done deal.
You know my opinion about Joe. Sorry that I prefer him over the candidate who ran the country into the ground and is actively trying to sabotage the election.Chumpettes not gonna admit what's what 'til it's too late.
Country was quite prosperous up until Operation Fake Pandemic.
Dat TDS, bro.
No it wasn’t. Low unemployment and high stock prices aren’t the sole indicators of a good economy. All of Trump’s tax cuts went towards stock buy backs, nothing trickled down or paid for itself like Republicans always say they will. It’s also been his mission to gut protections for pre existing conditions since the day he took office, which would over multiple relatives of mine and close friends.
Sorry you view Trump’s handling of the pandemic as a nothingburger. Most people don’t have the luxury of calling something fake every time it gets in the way of their agenda. Pandemic or no pandemic there was no way i was ever voting for Trump though.
Agree but look at other countries. Europe. Their economy is ed as well due to pandemic.
You make it seem like all these economic hardships are on Trump.its a ing pandemic. 90% of it would still happen regardless. Maybe 10% is due to trump. And im talking economy. Deaths, sure trump has killed most due to his stupidity but economy wise it was mostly the pandemic
Like I already said, the notion that Trump had created “the greatest economy ever!” Before the pandemic is ridiculous. 2018 was the first year in American history that billionaires had a lower effective tax rate than working class Americans. That’s completely due to Trump tax cuts. Before the pandemic 75% of America lived paycheck to paycheck and had no savings. The fact that America was fully employed making $15 an hour working at Target while billionaires were getting rich due to high stock prices doesn’t mean a good economy.
From March to April, US unemployment rose from 4.4% to 14.7%. In Germany it rose from 5.5% to 5.8% during that time, not to mention how much more Germany provides to unemployed workers in terms of safety nets. Since the pandemic began, billionaire wealth has grown in this country by over half a trillion dollars, while wealth for the bottom 99.9% has been destroyed. That’s not happening in Europe - only in Trump’s America is the COVID-19 pandemic leading to a huge transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich.
I agree but US economy performance going by stock market was not a Trump invetion. It was adopted long ago. Also the wealth disparity was not a Trump invention wealth disparity was going wrong way since 9bama, Bush, Clinton.
So its not fair to say Trump broke the economy. He did continue the farce and helped his billionaire friends yes. But Obama did too.
The fact you still have the usual suspect seething 10 hours later tells you everything.
Oh but it absolutely is. No other rich country suffered a GDP drop like we did, ditto mass unemployment. Trump's bad leadership plunged us into depression and made the USA the global epicenter of the pandemic.
The epidemic and our incompetent government response are present tense and ongoing and so is the tally of the damage.
Trump made it worse. It’s a lazy false equivalence so say “Well Obama didn’t fix income inequality either, it’s a wash!”
Obama raised the cap gains tax on rich people in order to subsidize healthcare for poor people. Trump tried gutting that so he could lower the cap gains tax again, knowing it would kick the sickest and most vulnerable Americans off healthcare. In the last two years of Obama’s presidency, the median household income rose at an annual rate over 4%. The calamity Republicans said would happen if Obama let Bush’s tax cuts expire never did happen - instead the middle class achieved a brief increase in income at a rate we haven’t seen for decades after Obama increased taxes on rich people.
Meanwhile, going from 2017 to 2018 (the first year of Trump’s tax cut), median household income rose by 0.1% (median household income data isn’t available for 2019 yet, which is why I only go to 2018). Trump’s tax cuts were feeding another asset bubble the same way Bush’s tax cuts did in the early 2000s, none of the tax savings was trickling down to the middle class, and the asset bubble would have popped with or without COVID-19 he same way Reagan’s asset bubble and GWB’s asset bubble popped.
Joe Biden isn’t going to fix the wealth gap by any stretch of the imagination, but his platform would reverse a lot of what Trump has done if he can get it through Congress. Increasing the cap gains tax rate to the ordinary tax rate would actually be a big step, more than Obama ever did. If Trump gets re-elected he’s already said he wants to lower the cap gains tax even more. That’s a black and white distinction in terms of critical tax policy - over the next 30 years, income produced by capital will continue to represent a larger portion of total income. The only way to sustain a low cap gains tax rate would be to gut safety net programs over time, Trump’s proposed tax cuts only make that worse.
Pic proves Trash is secretly fighting world-wide pedophilia and Satanic baby-eating, according to QAnon
I'm confused with this thinking from Trump supporters. Not sure if it's pure delusion or if this is a new strategy.
Loses state to Hillary...but will win it against Biden based on...protests against police brutality? Kind of crazy.
Also if Minnesota is a replacement for Wisconsin, what good does that do him? He loses Wisconsin so goes Michigan and Pennsylvia. Such desperation.
convention bounce
Lolz
^Very legit sources.
Theyre right about MN. If he loses WI, MI and PA but defends every other state/district he won in 2016 and also wins MN, that gets him over 270.
I just think they’re selective with polls. When a poll says Biden is winning, the response is “lol remember 2016!” When the poll shows Trump gaining ground, the response is “Hey, look at this Rasmussen poll! Biden is ed!”
Is not even that.
They're seeing something that's not really there. People aren't going to vote for Trump base on what went on Minneapolis. They see the protests or riots as a game changer. It's a comfort narrative.
thats quite the assumption
Will Hunting Case and point. This nut thinks he can win New York because of high taxes and what has been happening here the last six months.
https://nypost.com/2020/08/13/trump-...ime-and-taxes/“Over the last six months what’s happened is insane. It’s insane. So we’re going to try very hard to win New York and that will be the first time — is that since Ronald Reagan, I guess? Since Ronald Reagan,” Trump said.
“I will bring down taxes and I’ll make sure that New York City is a safe place. I mean, this is one of our cherished — this is a cherished diamond of this country. And we can’t let this happen to New York.”
I'm increasingly seeing trumpers talk about winning very deeply blue states without giving any sort of concrete evidence.
His campaign has pulled its ads in Michigan and Pennsylvania for several weeks now. I don’t think they’re even close to giving up in PA, but if they don’t get a god convention bump imo they might give up on Michigan.
Keep in mind the Wisconsin state legislature has the corrupt Republican super majority that at the last minute reduced polling places in Milwaukee from 160 to 5 in the primary. Imo he’s pinning a lot of hope on Wisconsin being the deciding state, so it makes sense that if he loses Wisconsin he’ll also lose the nearby states where he’s spending less money and where there will be less voter suppression.
Ultimately thats what I think costs him in Minnesota. 4th highest state income tax in the country, the upper middle class suburban family in the Minneapolis area has gotten ed by his tax plan.
When you write a tax code that’s intended to screw blue states, don’t expect to win any of them
EDIT: Lets also not forget how ridiculous it is to campaign on the platform of "Hey, in my first 4 years as president, I created so much economic calamity and racial hostility that crime went way up in your city. Vote for me, because I'm the one who can fix the thing that wasn't a problem until I became president!"
Last edited by Will Hunting; 08-21-2020 at 02:44 PM.
You are the one who's making a big deal over a simple comment. The MN polls are trending in the opposite direction (toward Trump) - normally I wouldn't even look at MN. I don't make predictive comments about any state except Florida but that is what I see going on on the ground in a highly Dem area.
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