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    Bounce & Brains: The Off-Ball Movement that Helps Make FSU's Patrick Williams So Good

    https://www.si.com/college/fsu/baske...deo-highlights
    Yes! I've said this over and over. My observations have been that Pat's BBall IQ is great.

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    And to add to this real quick: I don't know enough about Aleksej Pokuševski to know if I like him as a prospect. The little I've seen of him haven't impressed me (people overrate the skill level of guys playing against lesser compe ion; most NBA players are highly skilled in terms over average non-NBA players but look bad when compared to the absolute elite players), but I'm not saying he'd be a bad pick as a player. What I am saying is that if the Spurs draft him, if at all possible, they need to bring him over. I have had my issues with Samanic, but I am really happy he's in Austin and not Europe. I don't care about wasting a few hundred k on a 15th man. I do care about the team having direct control over his development. So there's no place in the drafting process for a lottery pick for worrying about savings. That goes for Ex's comment on stashing for LJ's about trading down. Spend the freaking money. Literally nothing else on the team is more important.

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    Agree. The draft and stash unless its very specific should be dead for SA. Like if it’s a #1 pick clear cut that falls because you need to stash? Sure. But other than that, it’s dead. Kill it.

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    Also, if the perception of this draft is bad, Sa should be using LMA and hopefully DDR to gain extra shots. Get the lottery picks while you can, even if it means taking on a bad contract or two for an extra year.

    Get PF/F/C pipeline built up with as much cheap lottery assets as you can if there is a real opportunity. Now is the time.

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    “A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be.”
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    Big body, 7'4" wingspan

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    when teams can start tradin their picks?

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    There probably are some guys in the second round that will be decent gambles. Reed for sure, Killian Tillie if his body doesn't collapse. Woodard as a defensive SF. I kind of like Malik Fitts who could go undrafted. Cassius Stanley is like a Jonathan Simmons type, not a SF but fun to watch dunk. N'Doye or Eboua. Maybe even Kalaitzakis, though without doing too much research into him I'm su ious of a Greek who is loaned out to outside of the motherland to play.
    A couple 2nd rd guys I like are Robert Woodard and Reggie Perry (although Woodard might go in the late 1st)

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    There is skepticism among team executives that this draft will take place as scheduled on Oct. 16 -- in part because there is even more skepticism across every sector of the league that free agency will begin as scheduled two days later. (See more in this report from ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.) Obviously, everything about this situation is fluid.

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    There is a bit about R.C. as well.

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    The issue isn't that the can't afford him. They can. They absolutely can. There's no universe in which they can't. Under no cir stances should the team want to stash their first-rounder. It should literally be the guy they hope is the best player. No other contract on the team is worth getting in the way of it. As I said below, if it's the right player and that player can't come over, that's one thing. Even then, as Objective said, it's dicey and should be Plan Z.



    The draft isn't ty. That's just the perception of it. Every draft has good players coming out. Even that "horrible" 2013 draft had two HOFers, another All-Star, a borderline All-Star and multiple other max players or solid rotation players. And that's the hindsight worst draft, not the worst draft in terms of expectations. The Spurs need to find the good players in the draft, not just punt because they think it's a crap shoot. We as fans can think that. It's their jobs to make it work.

    As far as the money goes, the tax line is projected at $132 Million. They'd easily have enough space to fit everyone in. As you said, the Spurs are a non-playoff team, so why do they care that they have some more holes? If they are really that bad, they should be looking to move guys for parts, which will fill up the roster spots without adding much salary. Moreover, that range is enough to where they don't need to let both Lyles and Poeltl go to get under the tax (they don't actually need to let either go if they don't want to use the MLE).

    It's bonkers, man. Of course Lyles is expendable if the alternative is stashing a lottery pick. To say otherwise just doesn't make sense. I don't hate him, but he's just a guy. Hopefully the Spurs draft a PF at 11 and just start him anyway. Push comes to shove, I'd rather keep Lyles and move on from DeRozan, but letting him go along with letting Forbes and Beli walk isn't the worst thing in the world.
    OK, 2013 was probably the worst draft since 2000. I can’t see more than 1 HOF player, the Greek Freak, and one late blooming All Star in Oladipo Let’s talk about the Freak. Skinny young kid, lots of talent, playing low level Euro ball. In other words, a pick you would have hated, preferring something more conventional.

    Who’s your other HOF player? Just curious....

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    Presuming the top 10 more or less goes according to projections and they stick at 11, it probably comes down to Vassell, Nesmith, Bey and Williams and I suspect they zero in specifically on the middle two. The dynamic shooter or the 3 and D combo forward. Either would fill a specific need.

    As an aside, the Pistons falling to 7 is probably good news. No chance of Ball, limited chance of Haliburton, increased chance of Okongwu (otherwise loom as a potential Poeltl offer sheet team). If Avdija gets to 7, along with Hayes and Okongwu and they're not particularly high on any, it could put a DeRozan or Murray + 11 for 7 trade in play.

    Could just be front office speak, but Weaver (GM) did say "you could get same quality player between 3-13". He also came from the Thunder, who are obsessed with athleticism.
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    I’m coming around to the idea of Precious at 11. 22 rebounds in a game is ridiculous. He does also have shooting potential. I see him as a 3-4-5. He’d fit in nicely with this current roster. Spurs need hustle, energy, and someone to matchup with the 6’8”+ stars. Might as well just keep our shooters. I feel like he’d baby Vassel, Williams, Bey 1 on 1. He’s a mismatch.

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    OK, 2013 was probably the worst draft since 2000. I can’t see more than 1 HOF player, the Greek Freak, and one late blooming All Star in Oladipo Let’s talk about the Freak. Skinny young kid, lots of talent, playing low level Euro ball. In other words, a pick you would have hated, preferring something more conventional.
    What difference does it make if I wouldn't've loved the pick? You might've preferred Jan Vesely to Kawhi for all I know. It's not my job as a random chode to pick the right guys. It is my job as a person with common sense to know that drafts all contain good players. Will it be Toppin? Will it be Williams? Will it be Pokuševski? Who knows? Maybe they all succeed or they all bust. But regardless of our different philosophies, it's going to be someone, and the Spurs need to know how that is.

    I do think Giannis' growth surprised everyone, just like Leonard's did. Jason Kidd, for all the he gets, put Giannis on the path to be a star by making him handle the ball. My initial point that you're still steaming about wasn't even about not liking raw players. It was about the idea that immediate value is more important than future value, so you need more future value to make up for the time you had to wait. That's not even philosophical. That's basic economics. If you have to wait four years for a guy to become MVP, that's worth four lost years of a rotation player. If you have to wait three years for a guy to become a meh starter, that's not necessarily worth the three years you spent not having a good bench player.

    Anyways

    Who’s your other HOF player? Just curious....
    I think Gobert will get it. In the very least, he's another All-Star.

    Even if we're talking about a guy like Schroeder though, he's worth enough to move on from Lyles, especially if it's the PF version of him.

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    Presuming the top 10 more or less goes according to projections and they stick at 11, it probably comes down to Vassell, Nesmith, Bey and Williams and I suspect they zero in specifically on the middle two. The dynamic shooter or the 3 and D combo forward. Either would fill a specific need.

    As an aside, the Pistons falling to 7 is probably good news. No chance of Ball, limited chance of Haliburton, increased chance of Okongwu (otherwise loom as a potential Poeltl offer sheet team). If Avdija gets to 7, along with Hayes and Okongwu and they're not particularly high on any, it could put a DeRozan or Murray + 11 for 7 trade in play.

    Could just be front office speak, but Weaver (GM) did say "you could get same quality player between 3-13". He also came from the Thunder, who are obsessed with athleticism.
    The Spurs aren't going to trade DeRozan to move up four spots. Unless they legit consider Murray negative value, they definitely aren't going to be adding him into the deal. I get that Spurs fans are down on their players, but neither of those guys really has that low of stock around the league.

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    The Spurs aren't going to trade DeRozan to move up four spots. Unless they legit consider Murray negative value, they definitely aren't going to be adding him into the deal. I get that Spurs fans are down on their players, but neither of those guys really has that low of stock around the league.
    What do you think it would take to move up 4 spots vs moving up into the top 3?

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    I’m coming around to the idea of Precious at 11. 22 rebounds in a game is ridiculous. He does also have shooting potential. I see him as a 3-4-5. He’d fit in nicely with this current roster. Spurs need hustle, energy, and someone to matchup with the 6’8”+ stars. Might as well just keep our shooters. I feel like he’d baby Vassel, Williams, Bey 1 on 1. He’s a mismatch.
    Yep. Work on his jumper with chip and he will get buckets.

    Sky's the limit if he has the mental will to become great. He has the physical tools to do alot of damage.

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    I wish I can agree with you regarding his shooting but history says that if you have a terrible percentage in free throws the chances of you developing an outside shoot is almost nil. His mid shoot is bad his three ball is terrible and even his free throw percentage will remind you of Shaq I think he is averaging 47% on his free throws.

    But on the flip side he will be a defensive stud who can rebound and guard almost anyone and he can dunk the ball. Lol.

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    I wish I can agree with you regarding his shooting but history says that if you have a terrible percentage in free throws the chances of you developing an outside shoot is almost nil. His mid shoot is bad his three ball is terrible and even his free throw percentage will remind you of Shaq I think he is averaging 47% on his free throws.

    But on the flip side he will be a defensive stud who can rebound and guard almost anyone and he can dunk the ball. Lol.
    The Spurs as currently constructed (and their young core) can perfectly live with a non-shooting 4/5 hybrid, to be honest. I'm hopeful Achiuwa can learn how to shoot, and at the very least be a solid FT and/or midrange shooter, but even if that wasn't the case, we have a plethora of guards to take on the scoring load; , if Precious goes on to develop at the level where he becomes a future building block, you surround him with a stretch 4-5, depending on which position Achiuwa ends up playing most comfortably at, and that's a straight up solid team to me.

    What the Spurs can't live by with, is their horrid defense, non-existant rebounding besides the occasional DJ board, and lack of size all around. All of these things, Precious would instantly help with, and he seems mobile enough to keep up with our guards and be part of a faster offense. He also seems to be a high-character and high-motor guy, two things the Spurs are also sorely lacking right now. If he never develops a 3 point shot, oh well... You work around it, IMO, not discard the prospect just because of it.

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    I am sure I will get a bit of flack for this, but one player I really like is Vernon Carey Jr. I feel his game would fit nicely with our style of play. I am not saying use 11 on him, far too high. But, I would love to find a reasonable scenario to get him on draft night.

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    I am sure I will get a bit of flack for this, but one player I really like is Vernon Carey Jr. I feel his game would fit nicely with our style of play. I am not saying use 11 on him, far too high. But, I would love to find a reasonable scenario to get him on draft night.
    I wouldn't be upset if we got him, but I'm leary of Duke players in the NBA.

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    I guess nobody had to create a new thread. Fun and boring at the same time.

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    The Spurs as currently constructed (and their young core) can perfectly live with a non-shooting 4/5 hybrid, to be honest. I'm hopeful Achiuwa can learn how to shoot, and at the very least be a solid FT and/or midrange shooter, but even if that wasn't the case, we have a plethora of guards to take on the scoring load; , if Precious goes on to develop at the level where he becomes a future building block, you surround him with a stretch 4-5, depending on which position Achiuwa ends up playing most comfortably at, and that's a straight up solid team to me.

    What the Spurs can't live by with, is their horrid defense, non-existant rebounding besides the occasional DJ board, and lack of size all around. All of these things, Precious would instantly help with, and he seems mobile enough to keep up with our guards and be part of a faster offense. He also seems to be a high-character and high-motor guy, two things the Spurs are also sorely lacking right now. If he never develops a 3 point shot, oh well... You work around it, IMO, not discard the prospect just because of it.
    What? Their star perimeter player is the most averse three point shooter in the league, they can't afford a single more position to don't shoot 3's.

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    Precious is an undersized center in today's NBA. Stop asking for him.

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    I’m coming around to the idea of Precious at 11. 22 rebounds in a game is ridiculous. He does also have shooting potential. I see him as a 3-4-5. He’d fit in nicely with this current roster. Spurs need hustle, energy, and someone to matchup with the 6’8”+ stars. Might as well just keep our shooters. I feel like he’d baby Vassel, Williams, Bey 1 on 1. He’s a mismatch.
    I'm with you plus that his shoot is Not so bad 32.5 % 3pt with more than 1 attempt per game same as Williams, 60% ft is Not that good but not unfixable.
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    Precious is an undersized center in today's NBA. Stop asking for him.
    That's why he is a PF and could be a small ball 5.

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