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    wasn't bernie's healthcare proposal basically among the most generous on the planet? including dental and child care in there, etc. i just dont see how specifically it adds up to him being right wing (or radical right) in europe . i think thats a meme... suggesting that while he might seem "radical left" here he's pretty standard in europe
    He'd have a better chance of winning in Europe, maybe his own party wouldn't ass him there.

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    He'd have a better chance of winning in Europe, maybe his own party wouldn't ass him there.
    That’s the point.

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    He'd have a better chance of winning in Europe, maybe his own party wouldn't ass him there.
    probably true that the parties wouldnt be as openly hostile to him there, but realistically, its not like a majority of democrat voters nationwide supported him. the number of actual leftists in the US is a lot smaller than the internet noise would suggest (leftist being distinct from liberal)

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    I’m surprise they’re letting her out. She does herself no favors when she’s speaking.
    She’s 10x worse than Hillary in terms of public speaking, I can see why the Phoenix soccer moms hate her so much.

    The reporter asked her in a non-loaded, benign way “Now you’re trailing Mark Kelly in the polls, what are you doing to catch up?” and her reply was an immediate “WELL A LOT OF THE POLLS ARE FAKE!”

    She was yelling during the whole interview and had a conspiracy theory about how Mark Kelly has business interests in a China and he’s going to sell us out to China if he gets elected.

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    She’s 10x worse than Hillary in terms of public speaking, I can see why the Phoenix soccer moms hate her so much.

    The reporter asked her in a non-loaded, benign way “Now you’re trailing Mark Kelly in the polls, what are you doing to catch up?” and her reply was an immediate “WELL A LOT OF THE POLLS ARE FAKE!”

    She was yelling during the whole interview and had a conspiracy theory about how Mark Kelly has business interests in a China and he’s going to sell us out to China if he gets elected.
    These republicans keep pushing the China thing like it’s helpful to them It isn’t.

    When dear leader’s family is the one who is reaping the benefits from China, where do you get off talking about democrats having businesses there?

    Ivanka alone was gifted what amounts to sweat shops just so she can start a shoe company or something like that. Never mind that head husband of his who already had a couple of businesses going.

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    She is a bad spokesman
    Ward is better but has lost twice in primaries

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    probably true that the parties wouldnt be as openly hostile to him there, but realistically, its not like a majority of democrat voters nationwide supported him. the number of actual leftists in the US is a lot smaller than the internet noise would suggest (leftist being distinct from liberal)
    Well you'll never know because the DNC ed him before he could get anywhere.. twice now.

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    Well you'll never know because the DNC ed him before he could get anywhere.. twice now.
    i dont know exactly what the DNC did wrong in 2019/2020... you could certainly argue that the media was being more critical of him, and less so with more establishment/liberal dems. i think you could look at the landscape of the democratic representatives nationwide and find that progressives aren't really the dominant force of the party

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    I wonder if Trump still owes him money from the failed USFL days.

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    Well you'll never know because the DNC ed him before he could get anywhere.. twice now.
    I’m not making excuses for the DNC, but it goes beyond just them. It’s a coordinated effort by the DNC, most of its establishment politicians, and most importantly the media. MSNBC is the worst offender. After Bernie won Nevada, Chris Matthews went on TV screaming about how it was like when France surrendered to Nazi Germany.

    Its really the corporate interests that control the DNC and “left wing” media. The reason Nancy Pelosi fights tooth and nail to keep progressives out of Congress is because she’s worried about what her corporate sponsors might think if she doesn’t.

    EDIT - Im probably naive for thinking this, but I think the establishment grip on the Democratic Party is getting increasingly weaker. They might be able to get enough progressive votes to beat Trump this time around (the only reason I’m voting for Biden is the RBG replacement + Trump trying to tamper with elections. If not for that I’d rather see Trump win another term because it gives progressives a better chance in 2022 and 2024), but I do honestly think you’re going to see revolt in the Democratic Party it they try to pedal another milquetoast establishment type in 2024.
    Last edited by Will Hunting; 08-25-2020 at 05:57 PM.

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    I’m not making excuses for the DNC, but it goes beyond just them. It’s a coordinated effort by the DNC, most of its establishment politicians, and most importantly the media. MSNBC is the worst offender. After Bernie won Nevada, Chris Matthews went on TV screaming about how it was like when France surrendered to Nazi Germany.

    Its really the corporate interests that control the DNC and “left wing” media. The reason Nancy Pelosi fights tooth and nail to keep progressives out of Congress is because she’s worried about what her corporate sponsors might think if she doesn’t.
    It's like the WWE. They all travel together and fight for a show, but if someone from the outside tries to enter, they both beat the out of him/her.

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    It's like the WWE. They all travel together and fight for a show, but if someone from the outside tries to enter, they both beat the out of him/her.
    I get the comparison but I don’t see it. It’s not outsiders they try to keep away, it’s left wing populist ideals no matter where they’re coming from, an outsider or an insider. Even when its an in bent who’s been in congress since 1976 (Ed Markey), the party elites turned against him once he started working with AOC on legislation. They dress it up as an effort to protect in bents, in reality it’s an effort to protect the establishment-friendly status quo.

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    Trump announces pardon of Jon Ponder ahead of GOP convention appearance


    https://youtu.be/X7icpKAqWfg

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    i dont know exactly what the DNC did wrong in 2019/2020... you could certainly argue that the media was being more critical of him, and less so with more establishment/liberal dems. i think you could look at the landscape of the democratic representatives nationwide and find that progressives aren't really the dominant force of the party
    DNC members discuss rules change to stop Sanders at convention
    The talks reveal rising anxiety over the Vermont senator's momentum on the eve of voting.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...legates-110083

    Wrong? Not sure. They were certainly against him. It's not "nothing" that your own party conspires to dismantle you.

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    I get the comparison but I don’t see it. It’s not outsiders they try to keep away, it’s left wing populist ideals no matter where they’re coming from, an outsider or an insider. Even when its an in bent who’s been in congress since 1976 (Ed Markey), the party elites turned against him once he started working with AOC on legislation. They dress it up as an effort to protect in bents, in reality it’s an effort to protect the establishment-friendly status quo.
    Status quo means people on the inside. Outside of the status quo would be Bubba coming over the top ropes.

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    I wonder if Trump still owes him money from the failed USFL days.
    Trump living rent free in your head

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    Trump living rent free in your head
    The irony of this post...

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    DNC members discuss rules change to stop Sanders at convention
    The talks reveal rising anxiety over the Vermont senator's momentum on the eve of voting.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...legates-110083

    Wrong? Not sure. They were certainly against him. It's not "nothing" that your own party conspires to dismantle you.
    im no fan of the DNC. but bernie didnt even get the votes to get the the point discussed in the article

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    Trump living rent free in your head
    Trump's the president and we're in a political forum, dummy.

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    DNC members discuss rules change to stop Sanders at convention
    The talks reveal rising anxiety over the Vermont senator's momentum on the eve of voting.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...legates-110083

    Wrong? Not sure. They were certainly against him. It's not "nothing" that your own party conspires to dismantle you.
    Yet they didn’t do anything about it.

    Also Sanders won 2 of the first 3 contest after this nonsense article. Still nothing was changed.

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    By accepting and tickling QAnon, the GOP is mainstreaming anti-semitism.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/rnc-sp...ve-the-world-1

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    Yet they didn’t do anything about it.

    Also Sanders won 2 of the first 3 contest after this nonsense article. Still nothing was changed.
    Right.. cool narrative. Too bad no one believes it.

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    Right.. cool narrative. Too bad no one believes it.
    eh, you don't. your opinion means little to me

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    Right.. cool narrative. Too bad no one believes it.
    apparently the RNC got cold feet, probably over nothing, like you suggested


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    Trump still plays footsie with alt-right militias and neo-nazis. It's damned dangerous in the context of an election Trump insists will have been bogus if he isn't reelected.

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