trump wants a herd immunity response to covid.

[DMC]

Man this is the third lane you've swerved into.

Dude needs a superhighway.

From forum cop to traffic cop

[Will Hunting]

Don't be deceived into thinking the democrats don't do the same sh#t. They play politics with your livelihood everyday, you just don't see it.

Realistically, was said plan any better than ACA? Probably not, but it also couldn't have been any worse

Oh OK so now you've given up on defending how the Republicans handled it and have gone with "but Democrats do it too!" crutch. Predictable.

Give me some examples of Democrats trying to hide legislation from the American people. Be specific.

I'd say what we had before Obamacare (i.e., what we would have had if Republicans had gotten their bill passed) where people with pre-existing conditions couldn't get health insurance unless it was through an employer is a lot worse than Obamacare.

[ChumpDumper]

From forum cop to traffic cop

This would be more of a road planning job.

[DMC]

Oh OK so now you've given up on defending how the Republicans handled it and have gone with "but Democrats do it too!" crutch. Predictable.

Give me some examples of Democrats trying to hide legislation from the American people. Be specific.

I'd say what we had before Obamacare (i.e., what we would have had if Republicans had gotten their bill passed) where people with pre-existing conditions couldn't get health insurance unless it was through an employer is a lot worse than Obamacare.

[Trainwreck2100]

Oh OK so now you've given up on defending how the Republicans handled it and have gone with "but Democrats do it too!" crutch. Predictable.

Give me some examples of Democrats trying to hide legislation from the American people. Be specific.

I'd say what we had before Obamacare (i.e., what we would have had if Republicans had gotten their bill passed) where people with pre-existing conditions couldn't get health insurance unless it was through an employer is a lot worse than Obamacare.

Still Obamacare's biggest failing is giving employers an out by making them only cover employees that work a certain number of hours a week. Should have made it something like 5

[Will Hunting]

Still Obamacare's biggest failing is giving employers an out by making them only cover employees that work a certain number of hours a week. Should have made it something like 5

Obamacare's biggest failing is that it didn't provide a public option that could have begun the process of demolishing the insanely stupid system that is employer-based healthcare.

For all the "muh small business!" rhetoric from Republicans, one of the biggest reasons small businesses thrive in other countries a lot more than they do here is because of a healthcare system that relies on employers to be the primary facilitators of health insurance coverage (even before Obamacare, small businesses provided health insurance, so blaming Obamacare for that is disingenuous). It's not a burden for a company with 100,000 employees to provide healthcare - they have a giant risk pool and they can self-insure (which most of them do). Companies with <500 employees don't have the same luxury and can't self insure.

[Nathan89]

take care of your elders. trump wants them dead sooner rather later.

A herd immunity response would involve protecting the elderly.

[ChumpDumper]

A herd immunity response would involve protecting the elderly.

We're not doing that thanks to Trump's failed ideology.

[boutons_deux]

Still Obamacare's biggest failing is giving employers an out by making them only cover employees that work a certain number of hours a week. Should have made it something like 5

Much worse was Roberts allowing states to opt out of Medicaid expansion, causing 15K deaths in those states, and an actual lower longevity vs states that expanded Medicaid.

Companies providing group plans is a historical perversion (goes back WWII labor shortage in SF Bay shipbuilding) that USA can't correct, eg, by switching from for-profit scam to Medicare for All

[El Santo]

Ill take herd immunity over bill gates vaccine anyday..

[ElNono]

so it's now the Dems' fault that Republicans never revealed their healthcare plan? Do you not see how insanely stupid this logic is, that Republicans had every right to hide their amorphous healthcare bill from the American people because the big mean Dems were going to be critical of it?

There's only one reason to hide any kind of plan from people: it ing sucks ass. Otherwise, there's absolutely no reason. Heck, it was a moment where they could've made political gains.

The strategy for repealing Barrycare first was so there would be all these million of people that suddenly had no insurance, and they could ram whatever piece of plan they were thinking about, so they could at least say, "hey, this is better than nothing".

[ElNono]

Still Obamacare's biggest failing is giving employers an out by making them only cover employees that work a certain number of hours a week. Should have made it something like 5

Obamacare biggest failing is that it doesn't control costs, period. You can twist and turn the whole healthcare equation around, but if you don't put price caps on things like medicines, treatments, etc (like every other country in the world) you will simply continue down the same failed path.

[rmt]

take care of your elders. trump wants them dead sooner rather later.

Your post is quite a jump from that video - seeing that the older one is, the more likely (loosely speaking) it is that he/she is Republican. Are you saying Trump wants to kill off the people who make up most of his base?

[Will Hunting]

There's only one reason to hide any kind of plan from people: it ing sucks ass. Otherwise, there's absolutely no reason. Heck, it was a moment where they could've made political gains.

The strategy for repealing Barrycare first was so there would be all these million of people that suddenly had no insurance, and they could ram whatever piece of plan they were thinking about, so they could at least say, "hey, this is better than nothing".

I still think they had no plan and they wanted to simply repeal Obamacare to make it so things went back to the way they were.

Agreed though that if they actually had a better plan it would have been revealed.

[ChumpDumper]

Your post is quite a jump from that video - seeing that the older one is, the more likely (loosely speaking) it is that he/she is Republican. Are you saying Trump wants to kill off the people who make up most of his base?

Absolutely.

[rmt]

Much worse was Roberts allowing states to opt out of Medicaid expansion, causing 15K deaths in those states, and an actual lower longevity vs states that expanded Medicaid.

Companies providing group plans is a historical perversion (goes back WWII labor shortage in SF Bay shipbuilding) that USA can't correct, eg, by switching from for-profit scam to Medicare for All

I think there is a misunderstanding of Medicare on this board. I don't know one person who has Medicare that is not using it under a "for profit" company (like Avmed or Blue Cross Blue Shield) - these are usually Medicare Advantage plans - ranging from HMO-types (limited area, limited physician network) to PPO-types (like what my mother in law has) with virtually unlimited geographic coverage and physician network (she pays iirc over $3000 per year in addition to the $144.60 per month that most people have to pay for Medicare Part B). I don't know a single person who uses the Original (government) Medicare because you'd be on the hook for 20% of almost everything.

https://www.medicare.gov/your-medica...ts-at-a-glance

It seems to me the much touted Medicare for All on this board is actually MEDICAID if you are not expecting to pay all the costs associated with linked page above. Let's call a spade a spade and not mix up the meaning of "government run" Medicaid (or similarly VA) with "for profit" Medicare Advantage - that many seniors are pleased with.