Are the protests hurting Biden?

[DMC]

If the local authorities have a breakdown in their ability to protect American citizens, the federal government should intervene. It doesn't need to be bifurcated to "solely" anything. The local authority having jurisdiction doesn't get a free pass on incompetence just because it had to go to a higher level of authority. You're unraveling a bit, usually you're much more composed. Did someone else take over your account?

[Will Hunting]

If the local authorities have a breakdown in their ability to protect American citizens, the federal government should intervene. It doesn't need to be bifurcated to "solely" anything. You're unraveling a bit, usually you're much more composed. Did someone else take over your account?

I didn't say it needs to be bifurcated. You seem to think the president shares in responsibility judging from this post. If that's the case why is Trump waiting to intervene?

conservatives like DMC and Derp are angry that I'm more aggressive in calling out their bull than I normally am

[DMC]

I didn't say it needs to be bifurcated. You seem to think the president shares in responsibility judging from this post. If that's the case why is Trump waiting to intervene?

conservatives like DMC and Derp are angry that I'm more aggressive in calling out their bull than I normally am

The POTUS shares in responsibility if he does nothing about it. If his response is ineffective, he shares in responsibility. Everything up to the point of federal intervention is on the local authorities. After that it's on the feds. The power of the states to keep out the feds needs to be considered.

I am not angry. I'm pointing out that you aren't composed. Not that you are aggressive. You're making illogical leaps and ignoring reality a lot.

[ChumpDumper]

Didn't Trump already have feds on the ground and in the air in Portland?

[Will Hunting]

The POTUS shares in responsibility if he does nothing about it. If his response is ineffective, he shares in responsibility. Everything up to the point of federal intervention is on the local authorities. After that it's on the feds. The power of the states to keep out the feds needs to be considered.

That's completely fair and I for the most part agree with some exceptions. My question then is what is a 2nd Trump term going to do to solve it if he can't intervene right now?

[DMC]

Didn't Trump already have feds on the ground and in the air in Portland?

The attorney general for the US state of Oregon has filed a lawsuit against the federal government, accusing it of unlawfully detaining protesters.


Can't have it both ways. Either Portland accepts help or they don't. They are a state, not a department of the federal government.

[Will Hunting]

I am not angry. I'm pointing out that you aren't composed. Not that you are aggressive. You're making illogical leaps and ignoring reality a lot.

calling someone "uncomposed" for posting something you disagree with

[Trainwreck2100]

You can’t have it both ways when you cry about the national guard being sent in.

if he can't fix it now what can he do to fix it a year from now?

[ChumpDumper]

The attorney general for the US state of Oregon has filed a lawsuit against the federal government, accusing it of unlawfully detaining protesters.


Can't have it both ways. Either Portland accepts help or they don't. They are a state, not a department of the federal government.

So they already had feds on the ground and failed.

Can't have it both ways.

Thanks.

[DMC]

That's completely fair and I for the most part agree with some exceptions. My question then is what is a 2nd Trump term going to do to solve it if he can't intervene right now?

The only thing it could do is to remove funding from dem sources that might be supporting interstate protest-for-pay folks. That's assuming it's happening. Once the election has concluded, regardless the winner, the incentive to fund protests loses its luster, no foreseeable ROI short of the midterms.

[Winehole23]

He can do all of that right now if he wants to. If he believes that's the best solution then it's what he should be doing, he shouldn't be letting this fester so he can use it as a political issue.

Now would be too soon, Trump wants to spoil the election. If he goes that route, I would expect declaring a state of emergency or invoking the Insurrection Act would be closer to the election.

[DMC]

calling someone "uncomposed" for posting something you disagree with

No, disagreement is expected. Becoming RG isn't. Usually you lace your takes with pragmatism, not just biased homeristic takes that change based on the party in question.

[Will Hunting]

The only thing it could do is to remove funding from dem sources that might be supporting interstate protest-for-pay folks. That's assuming it's happening. Once the election has concluded, regardless the winner, the incentive to fund protests loses its luster, no foreseeable ROI short of the midterms.

Oh cool protest funding conspiracies. Who's funding the protests? Soros and/or Bill Gates?

For what you say about me being uncomposed, you went from being a moderate conservative to being a conspiracy peddling Trumper

[DMC]

Now would be too soon, Trump wants to spoil the election. If he goes that route, I would expect declaring a state of emergency or invoking the Insurrection Act would be closer to the election.

You'd have to ask SR21 or Vy65 or someone who understands the laws better, but there are limits to federal power where state issues are concerned.

[Nathan89]

Tump s need to pick a lane. Either managing the protests/riots is a responsibility that rests squarely on mayors/governors, or it's a responsibility that the president shares in. If it's solely the responsibility of mayors/governors, then Trump getting re-elected will have no impact on how the riots/protests are managed. If the president shares in the responsibility, it means Trump's management of protests/riots in his 1st term has been an abject failure.

Well it's both. Trump did his part by offering federal assistance and the Portland Mayor declined it.

[DMC]

Oh cool protest funding conspiracies. Who's funding the protests? Soros and/or Bill Gates?

For what you say about me being uncomposed, you went from being a moderate conservative to being a conspiracy peddling Trumper

"That's assuming it's happening"

Pretty sure that's a disclaimer.

[Winehole23]

calling someone "uncomposed" for posting something you disagree with

just trying to have an "adult" conversation

[Will Hunting]

Well it's both. Trump did his part by offering federal assistance and the Portland Mayor declined it.

No, he sent DHS agents against the wishes of Portland's Mayor and they only made it worse.

Regardless, if Portland's mayor can decline his offering of assistance, I don't see how a 2nd term changes anything. Wheeler will just decline assistance a year from now they same way he's declining it now.

[DMC]

just trying to have an "adult" conversation

Start another fake news thread.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh cool protest funding conspiracies. Who's funding the protests? Soros and/or Bill Gates?

For what you say about me being uncomposed, you went from being a moderate conservative to being a conspiracy peddling Trumper

Jesus, every single ST Trump supporter lies and subscribes to conspiracy theories.

Why do they think people standing around in their own cities have to be funded?

[Will Hunting]

Jesus, every single ST Trump supporter lies and subscribes to conspiracy theories.

Why do they think people standing around in their own cities have to be funded?

We've got tens of millions of people on unemployment right now. If there was a way to make money protesting, pretty sure our streets would be filled to the brim with protesters

[Will Hunting]

No, disagreement is expected. Becoming RG isn't. Usually you lace your takes with pragmatism, not just biased homeristic takes that change based on the party in question.

I still say plenty of negative about Dems if that's what you're referring to

[DMC]

Backing Protests
If helping design police reform represents one philanthropic response to the shootings, activist movements that swelled following the 2014 shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., offer another. Groups that emerged after Ferguson are mobilizing thousands of people for protests that develop with lightning speed and have dramatic impact. Their approach appeals to some grant makers.

"I’ve never seen the level of organizing and activism in Chicago in the 25 years that I’ve lived here," says Alysia Tate, director of programs at the Chicago Foundation for Women, which is funding several activist groups.

Funders for Justice was launched during the Ferguson crisis to support this form of activism. Neighborhood Funders Group and the Unitarian Universalist Veatch Program at Shelter Rock — two organizations backing grass-roots social-justice efforts — joined with the Ford Foundation to start the network, which has grown to 300 members, according to organizers. They provide general and program support to grass-roots activists but also "rapid response" dollars that pay for protest essentials — food, unifying T-shirts, legal support, and bail money when demonstrators are jailed.

Funders for Justice members include the NoVo Foundation, the Open Society Foundations, and small alliances of high-wealth individual donors such as Solidaire,whose leaders include Leah Hunt-Hendrix, granddaughter of the oil and gas tycoon H.L. Hunt.

https://www.nfg.org/ffj_backing_protests

[DMC]

Donation to a fund that supports protests

[Will Hunting]

Donation to a fund that supports protests

Yeah, protests cost money. That doesn't mean the protesters are getting paid.