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    Trump Campaign sued to 67 county election boards to prevent new vote by mail provisions in PA, claiming voters will be disenfranchsed and the door opened to election fraud. A federal judge has given the Trump campaign until Friday to share any evidence it may have to support its claims that postal voting conduces to voter fraud.

    A federal judge in Pennsylvania told the Trump campaign and the Republican Party that they must produce evidence they have of vote-by-mail fraud in the state by Friday.

    The judge’s order, in a high-profile case about vote-by-mail in the battleground state, essentially forces the Trump campaign to try to back up President Donald Trump’s false claims about massive voter fraud in postal voting. The federal lawsuit filed in Pittsburgh claims that as voters jumped to make use of the greatly broadened eligibility for mail-in ballots during the June 2 primary, practices and procedures by elections officials ran afoul of state law and the state and federal cons utions.

    “The Court finds that instances of voter fraud are relevant to the claims and defenses in this case,” District Judge J. Nicholas Ranjan wrote on Thursday, telling Republicans that they need to provide evidence of fraud to the Democratic Party and the Sierra Club, which are part of the lawsuit.
    https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020...f-voter-fraud/

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    Cites embedded at the link

    Studies Agree: Impersonation Fraud by Voters Very Rarely Happens

     The Brennan Center’s seminal report on this issue, The Truth About Voter Fraud, found that mostreported incidents of voter fraud are actually traceable to other sources, such as clerical errors or bad data matching practices. The report reviewed elections that had been meticulously studied forvoter fraud, and found incident rates between 0.0003 percent and 0.0025 percent. Given this tinyincident rate for voter impersonation fraud, it is more likely, the report noted, that an American“will be struck by lightning than that he will impersonate another voter at the polls.”

     A study published by a Columbia University political scientist tracked incidence rates for voterfraud for two years, and found that the rare fraud that was reported generally could be traced to“false claims by the loser of a close race, mischief and administrative or voter error.”

     A 2017 analysis published in The Washington Post concluded that there is no evidence to support Trump’s claim that Massachusetts residents were bused into New Hampshire to vote.

     A comprehensive 2014 study published in The Washington Post found 31 credible instances ofimpersonation fraud from 2000 to 2014, out of more than 1 billion ballots cast. Even this tinynumber is likely inflated, as the study’s author counted not just prosecutions or convictions, butany and all credible claims.

     Two studies done at Arizona State University, one in 2012 and another in 2016, found similarlynegligible rates of impersonation fraud. The project found 10 cases of voter impersonation fraud nationwide from 2000-2012. The follow-up study, which looked for fraud specifically in stateswhere politicians have argued that fraud is a pernicious problem, found zero successful prosecutions for impersonation fraud in five states from 2012-2016.

     A review of the 2016 election found four do ented cases of voter fraud.

     Research into the 2016 election found no evidence of widespread voter fraud.

     A 2016 working paper concluded that the upper limit on double voting in the 2012 election was 0.02%. The paper noted that the incident rate was likely much lower, given audits conducted by 2the researchers showed that “many, if not all, of these apparent double votes could be a result of measurement error.”

     A 2014 paper concluded that “the likely percent of non-citizen voters in recent US elections is 0.”

     A 2014 nationwide study found “no evidence of widespread impersonation fraud” in the 2012 election.

     A 2014 study that examined impersonation fraud both at the polls and by mail ballot found zero instances in the jurisdictions studied.

     A 2014 study by the non-partisan Government Accountability Office, which reflected a literature review of the existing research on voter fraud, noted that the studies consistently found “few instances of in-person voter fraud.”

     While writing a 2012 book, a researcher went back 30 years to try to find an example of voter impersonation fraud determining the outcome of an election, but was unable to find even one.

     A 2012 study exhaustively pulled records from every state for all alleged election fraud, and foundthe overall fraud rate to be “infinitesimal” and impersonation fraud by voters at the polls to bethe rarest fraud of all: only 10 cases alleged in 12 years. The same study found only 56 allegedcases of non-citizen voting, in 12 years.

     A 2012 assessment of Georgia’s 2006 election found “no evidence that election fraud wascommitted under the au es of deceased registrants.”

     A 2011 study by the Republican National Lawyers Association found that, between 2000 and2010, 21 states had 1 or 0 convictions for voter fraud or other kinds of voting irregularities.

     A 2010 book cataloguing reported incidents of voter fraud concluded that nearly all allegations turned out to be clerical errors or mistakes, not fraud.

     A 2009 analysis examined 12 states and found that fraud by voters was “very rare,” and also concluded that many of the cases that garnered media attention were ultimately unsubstantiated upon further review.

     Additional research on noncitizen voting can be found here:http://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/analysis-noncitizen-voting-vanishingly-rare.

    Additional resources can be found here: https://www.brennancenter.org/analys...sis-andreports.

    Courts Agree: Fraud by Voters at the Polls is Nearly Non-Existent

     The Fifth Circuit, in an opinion finding that Texas’s strict photo ID law is racially discriminatory,noted that there were “only two convictions for in-person voter impersonation fraud out of 20 million votes cast in the decade” before Texas passed its law.3

     In its opinion striking down North Carolina’s omnibus restrictive election law —which included avoter ID requirement — as purposefully racially discriminatory, the Fourth Circuit noted that thestate “failed to identify even a single individual who has ever been charged with committing inperson voter fraud in North Carolina.”

     A federal trial court in Wisconsin reviewing that state’s strict photo ID law found “that impersonation fraud — the type of fraud that voter ID is designed to prevent — is extremely rare” and “a truly isolated phenomenon that has not posed a significant threat to the integrity of Wisconsin’s elections.”

     Even the Supreme Court, in its opinion in Crawford upholding Indiana’s voter ID law, noted thatthe record in the case “contains no evidence of any [in-person voter impersonation] fraud actually occurring in Indiana at any time in its history.” Two of the jurists who weighed in on that case at the time — Republican-appointed former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens and conservative appellate court Judge Richard Posner — have since announced they regret their votes in favor of the law, with Judge Posner noting that strict photo ID laws are “now widely regarded as a means of voter suppression rather than of fraud prevention.”



    https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/Briefing_Memo_Debunking_Voter_Fraud_Myth.pdf

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    mail in voting bad, no wait, it's good!

    The Trump campaign and GOP groups did not sue Republican-leaning Woodbury County, where the auditor sent prepopulated forms to 57,000 registered voters this month. Trump carried that county by 8,500 votes in 2016.
    https://apnews.com/22e6d33f1a2eeadde8e193a9330cde16

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    similar was done in a NC county

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    similar was done in a NC county
    We'll probably see a maximalist version of this after the election, Trump challenging absentee ballots wherever HRC had large majorities in 2016.

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    We'll probably see a maximalist version of this after the election, Trump challenging absentee ballots wherever HRC had large majorities in 2016.
    Trash/Barr will challenge in states with lots of mail-ins, will try to drag out counting past the limit for states to submit EC votes.

    Biden states with contested Pres elections will not be allowed to submit EC votes for Biden,

    in the Trash/Barr attempt to drag Biden below 270.

    A new twist I came across recently which could screw that strategy is that the newly elected House, based on newly elected state legislatures, decides a less-than-270 result, not the pre-election House.

    So if Dems control more state legislatures than Repugs after the election, then House Dems will elect Biden

    November, and maybe December, will be unthinkable, just like that past 5 years with Trash

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    Judge orders new election in New Jersey race Trump cited for mail-in voter fraud

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court...ed-for-mail-in

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    Judge orders new election in New Jersey race Trump cited for mail-in voter fraud

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court...ed-for-mail-in
    Voters did nothing wrong here: this is election fraud. Absentee voting, as has been mentioned many times in this thread, is less secure than in person voting.

    Voter impersonation fraud is real, but vanishingly rare; election fraud sometimes s an election, just look at NC-09 last year. And this one.

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    Voters did nothing wrong here: this is election fraud. Absentee voting, as has been mentioned many times in this thread, is less secure than in person voting.

    Voter impersonation fraud is real, but vanishingly rare; election fraud sometimes s an election, just look at NC-09 last year. And this one.
    TRENTON – Attorney General Gurbir S. Grewal today announced voting fraud charges against Paterson City Councilman Michael Jackson, Councilman-Elect Alex Mendez, and two other men in connection with the May 12, 2020 special election in the City of Paterson.

    All four men are charged with criminal conduct involving mail-in ballots during the election. The investigation by the Attorney General’s Office of Public Integrity & Accountability (OPIA) began when the U.S. Postal Inspection Service alerted the Attorney General’s Office that hundreds of mail-in ballots were found in a mailbox in Paterson. Numerous additional ballots were found in a mailbox in nearby Haledon. Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, all voting in May 12 elections in New Jersey was done by mail-in ballots.

    https://www.nj.gov/oag/newsreleases20/pr20200625a.html

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    TRENTON – Attorney General Gurbir S. Grewal today announced voting fraud charges against Paterson City Councilman Michael Jackson, Councilman-Elect Alex Mendez, and two other men in connection with the May 12, 2020 special election in the City of Paterson.

    All four men are charged with criminal conduct involving mail-in ballots during the election. The investigation by the Attorney General’s Office of Public Integrity & Accountability (OPIA) began when the U.S. Postal Inspection Service alerted the Attorney General’s Office that hundreds of mail-in ballots were found in a mailbox in Paterson. Numerous additional ballots were found in a mailbox in nearby Haledon. Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, all voting in May 12 elections in New Jersey was done by mail-in ballots.

    https://www.nj.gov/oag/newsreleases20/pr20200625a.html
    Officials stuffing the ballot box, bundling votes illegally, or throwing them away isn't voter fraud; it's election fraud.

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    TRENTON – Attorney General Gurbir S. Grewal today announced voting fraud charges against Paterson City Councilman Michael Jackson, Councilman-Elect Alex Mendez, and two other men in connection with the May 12, 2020 special election in the City of Paterson.

    All four men are charged with criminal conduct involving mail-in ballots during the election. The investigation by the Attorney General’s Office of Public Integrity & Accountability (OPIA) began when the U.S. Postal Inspection Service alerted the Attorney General’s Office that hundreds of mail-in ballots were found in a mailbox in Paterson. Numerous additional ballots were found in a mailbox in nearby Haledon. Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, all voting in May 12 elections in New Jersey was done by mail-in ballots.

    https://www.nj.gov/oag/newsreleases20/pr20200625a.html
    The system works.

    The Trump's just mailed in their ballots. Be happy.

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    Trump Campaign sued to 67 county election boards to prevent new vote by mail provisions in PA, claiming voters will be disenfranchsed and the door opened to election fraud. A federal judge has given the Trump campaign until Friday to share any evidence it may have to support its claims that postal voting conduces to voter fraud.

    https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020...f-voter-fraud/
    In a thoughtful 37-page opinion, in one of the most closely watched pieces of litigation surrounding the conduct of the 2020 election, a federal court (Trump appointee Judge Nicholas Ranjan) has used Pullman abstention to decline to consider the Trump Campaign’s cons utional claims against a number of Pennsylvania election rules (including on whether drop boxes are permissible under Pa law and whether absentee ballots not in sealed secrecy envelopes may be counted)
    https://electionlawblog.org/?p=114372

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    There’s one interesting procedural aspect of the case. The court notes that if the Trump Campaign had sought a preliminary injunction, the court likely would have had to rule (and tentatively interpret the state law questions) before deciding on abstention. But the campaign did not seek this preliminary relief, thereby letting the court abstain. Seems like a potential blunder by the Trump lawyers in not seeking a preliminary injunction
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    I'd be surprised if even a Trump appointee granted that preliminary injunction. SCOTUS has made it abundantly clear to the lower courts that the courts should be as uninvolved as possible with the election process.

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    Trump encourages voter fraud in North Carolina

    President Donald Trump suggested that people in North Carolina should vote twice in the November election, once by mail and once in-person, escalating his attempts to cast confusion and doubt on the validity of the results.
    "So let them send it in and let them go vote, and if their system's as good as they say it is, then obviously they won't be able to vote. If it isn't tabulated, they'll be able to vote,” Trump said when asked whether he has confidence in the mail-in system in the battleground state.

    "If it's as good as they say it is then obviously they won't be able to vote. If it isn't tabulated, they'll be able to vote. So that's the way it is. And that's what they should do," he said.

    It is illegal to vote more than once in an election.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...ystem-n1239140

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    Trump encourages voter fraud in North Carolina

    [COLOR=#2A2A2A][FONT=PublicoText]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...ystem-n1239140
    President asking the crowd to commit criminal acts for the greater good of the security of elections, or something like that.

    Like we do now

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    President asking the crowd to commit criminal acts for the greater good of the security of elections, or something like that.

    Like we do now
    reminds me of the plot of Non-Stop... where Liam Neeson was an air marshall. guys hijacked the plane for ransom to prove that air security isnt good enough

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    reminds me of the plot of Non-Stop... where Liam Neeson was an air marshall. guys hijacked the plane for ransom to prove that air security isnt good enough
    Hilarious pretext. Trump's straight up suggesting to his followers that they cheat.

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    voter fraud concern trolls got scarce ITT, did they level up to post-democracy with their leader?

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    law and order President asks his supporters to break the law.

    strange times.

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    Trump encourages voter fraud in North Carolina

    [COLOR=#2A2A2A][FONT=PublicoText]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...ystem-n1239140
    "President Trump encourages supporters to vote absentee-by-mail early, and then show up in person at the polls or the local registrar to verify that their vote has already been counted," Trump campaign official Tim Murtaugh said.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...ystem-n1239140

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    "President Trump encourages supporters to vote absentee-by-mail early, and then show up in person at the polls or the local registrar to verify that their vote has already been counted," Trump campaign official Tim Murtaugh said.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...ystem-n1239140
    "So let them send it in and let them go vote, and if their system's as good as they say it is, then obviously they won't be able to vote. If it isn't tabulated, they'll be able to vote," Trump said when asked whether he has confidence in the mail-in system in North Carolina, a battleground state.

    "If it's as good as they say it is, then obviously they won't be able to vote. If it isn't tabulated, they'll be able to vote. So that's the way it is. And that's what they should do," he said.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...ystem-n1239140

    TSA, you rube.

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    "So let them send it in and let them go vote, and if their system's as good as they say it is, then obviously they won't be able to vote. If it isn't tabulated, they'll be able to vote," Trump said when asked whether he has confidence in the mail-in system in North Carolina, a battleground state.

    "If it's as good as they say it is, then obviously they won't be able to vote. If it isn't tabulated, they'll be able to vote. So that's the way it is. And that's what they should do," he said.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...ystem-n1239140

    TSA, you rube.
    TSA thrown under the bus by his cult leader again.

    How does it feel to worship someone who thinks you are an idiot?

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    "So let them send it in and let them go vote, and if their system's as good as they say it is, then obviously they won't be able to vote. If it isn't tabulated, they'll be able to vote," Trump said when asked whether he has confidence in the mail-in system in North Carolina, a battleground state.

    "If it's as good as they say it is, then obviously they won't be able to vote. If it isn't tabulated, they'll be able to vote. So that's the way it is. And that's what they should do," he said.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...ystem-n1239140

    TSA, you rube.
    Trump lickspittle stages of bargaining:

    He didn't say it.
    He did say it, but he didn't know what he was talking about.
    He said it on purpose, but he was being jocular, where's your sense of humor?!
    He said it, so what?

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    Trump lickspittle stages of bargaining:

    He didn't say it.
    He did say it, but he didn't know what he was talking about.
    He said it on purpose, but he was being jocular, where's your sense of humor?!
    He said it, so what?
    and the ever popular:

    He said it? I'll get back to you on that but (add any whatabou BS of your preference).

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