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My secret sauce with Sanders isn't running on the same milquetoast, just to the left of the Republican platform that's literally never won a general election.
You wouldn't.
My secret sauce with Sanders isn't running on the same milquetoast, just to the left of the Republican platform that's literally never won a general election.
an in bent asking for more debates
Sure, but did Sanders win the Florida Latino vote in the primary?
No, he also lost the South Carolina black vote in the primary. Are you saying that means he'd also lose the South Carolina black vote in the general?
I've also said previously that Florida (at least this year) is an expensive waste of time and resources. They don't need it to win the election and it's stupid to prioritize it over the rust belt/states with winnable senate races.
You accuse me of that but you are on the same boat. Your prefered strategy has led to two failed bids to even make it out of a damn primary. So how is it you think you'd be succesful on a general election when you cant turnout/gain the support needed in a primary let alone for a general election?
That should be seeing as a red flag. Your job becomes that much harder when you're in GE mode. You'd then have to worry about not only getting your core bloc of voters active and engaged but also making sure they do go vote while also trying to get the people you failed to vote for you in the primary.
That adds up, Will.
So don't spend any money AND run the guy that openly antagonized the Cubans.
Biden is a ty candidate but Bernie really isn't any good either tbh.
Yikes you’re really moving goal posts here.
too many Bernie guys talk like this, but couldn’t energize the vote enough to get out to support him during the primaries. He got killed in the primary.
plus there is absolutely a reason Trump and the rest of the s on here chant that bernie mantra. It’s because they wanted to run against him.
now dirks is just stupid and regurgitates what he’s told to. But the r’s abso ing lutley wanted a national general against Bernie.
Yeah, Bernie can't make it out of the primary when the entire left wing media is clamoring about how "unelectable" he is and the DNC is doing everything it can behind the scenes to hamstring him. You're not even arguing in good faith when you pretend Bernie lost a primary that was managed fairly by the DNC.
I don't understand the logic that it's "much harder" when you're in GE mode. What was harder for Obama, the 2008 primary or the 2008 general election? You're just drumming up MSNBC conventional wisdom that has no empirical backup.
the Dems wanted to run against Trump in 2016. How'd that turn out? Picking your candidate based off who the Republicans do and don't want to run against is why the Democratic Party is such an incompetent fest that has no consistent platform and can't get anything done. It doesn't have any ideals, all it does is read and react to what Republicans do.
Focus on winning the states that will actually decide the election. Biden is going to spend a bunch of money in Florida and end up with as many electoral colleges from the states as I personally end up withSo don't spend any money AND run the guy that openly antagonized the Cubans.
Biden is a ty candidate but Bernie really isn't any good either tbh.
but Bernie would have been worse
Bernie has nothing to do with why Biden's campaign has failed so miserably in its outreach to the latino community, that failure is on Biden being a ty candidate.
irrelevant
biden is the one now
cubans anyway -
they are the embarrassment of all latinos
It's an estimate, but I don't think it's unfounded to say that if Candidate A polls at X% among a group of people whose biggest concern is socialism, then Candidate B, an avowed "Democratic Socialist" is going to poll below X%. Maybe it's 45%, maybe it's 20%.
Trump's loss with seniors is definitely COVID related but it's also demeanor related. Clinton still probably loses to him in 2020. They hated her. Maybe Bernie beats Trump with seniors too, but it's a wild card. I could easily see seniors voting against their own safety with a self-avowed "Socialist" on the ballot.
All of this is conjecture. I wish Biden had Bernie's energy and enthusiasm, and there's plenty to criticize the DNC for when it comes to their voter activation there. But I don't see any realistic scenario where Bernie Sanders performs better in Florida than Biden, regardless of the DNC efforts in that state. It's like starting a skinny 6 footer at center in the 1995 NBA because he's got "spunk" and your 7-footer is lazy.
I take umbrage to your passive aggresive insults. There's really no need for your false assumptions and shaming that I watch x and that's how I'm coming to my conclusions like I'm some kind of brainwashed fool.
That said, well now you're conflicting the two.
For all intent and purposes Obama really shouldn't be brought into this conversation because his campaign was a once in a lifetime type of deal and you know this. So who is now arguing in bad faith?
C'mon man, not again.
The DNC was unfair this cycle, how? Bernie won and was clearly the front runner for much of the first 2 months.
If you want to talk about fair or unfair. How many moderates were in this race that clearly impacted Biden the most? Bernie took advantage of the fact. And even then he was winning with like 30% of the vote.
Was there gamesmanship? Of course. You can even say favoritism but Bernie was never dissavantaged the way the moderates were.
Bernie and Warren should have done what the moderates did early on and guess what? Bernie would have won, going away. It's a bit disingenuous to point the fingers at them because they caught on first.
Either Warren or Bernie dropping out and consolidating their own power would have nullify what the moderates did.
I agree. It is in bent on the Biden team to do the outreach and try to turn them out on election day.
Bernie has nothing to do with why Biden's campaign has failed so miserably in its outreach to the latino community, that failure is on Biden being a ty candidate.
There is still time for that. Your self defeatist and lash out at ude toward people who actually agree with you probably in the 90 percentile is a real drag.
This is bull he didn't make it out of the primary because he never expanded his base, he would have won if the DNC didn't convince all their candidates to drop out.
He's not helping himself with the seniors by trying to cut medicare and social security in every budget. That little nugget has been left off Dem talking points for some reason
Warren was working with the "moderates" the same way she was in 2016. She did everything she could to undercut Bernie's campaign with the racial iden y politics.
Pretty convenient to declare something "once in a lifetime" when it doesn't help your argument. That's kinda a derp tactic.
It wasn't gamesmanship, it was actively conspiring to stop one candidate. Obummer called Klobuchar and Buttplug and cut deals with them to endorse Biden the day before super tuesday.
More than anything it was biased media coverage. MSNBC commentators literally compared Bernie to the Nazis and called black women who supported him the "island of misfit black girls." Are you saying that's just normal campaigning
Could have won even if that was the case but convinced Warren to drop out and endorse Bernie.
They didn't think on their feet. They lost a primary that they should've won.
The reason is they're incompetent. Establishment Democrats think the average American cares most about trans inmates getting free sex changes and illegals getting healthcare.
You call it a defeatist at ude, I call it an at ude that you should run like your 5% behind and leave no stone unturned regardless of what the polls say. Biden has clearly not done that.
I was only talking about Latinos in Florida. Bernie wouldn't do any better. You were hinting he would somehow.
Bernie has nothing to do with why Biden's campaign has failed so miserably in its outreach to the latino community, that failure is on Biden being a ty candidate.
So the best Democrats can do is be down 5 points to Trump among Florida latinos? If so that puts Florida out of reach no matter who the candidate is, and they shouldn't even bother to try and win it.
Probably. Florida is ing re ed. If there are paths to win without it, take them.
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