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    You're fawning over a moderate?

    He seems like a post prime Obama to me, which is still good, imo.
    Not just me. Even the most left wing groups like Sunrise Movement like him. Even friends of mine who pay no attention to politics texted me saying they saw clips of the debate and thought Harrison crushed it - you can't watch that debate and not like the guy. It was almost his coming out party, much like Obama's 2004 DNC speech was.

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    Not just me. Even the most left wing groups like Sunrise Movement like him. Even friends of mine who pay no attention to politics texted me saying they saw clips of the debate and thought Harrison crushed it - you can't watch that debate and not like the guy. It was almost his coming out party, much like Obama's 2004 DNC speech was.
    I'm not saying he's not a good candidate.

    Just pointing out before the hate comes in later. He shat on the green new day and has the same position on Obamacare as Biden which wants it expanded, instead of done away with.

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    I'm not saying he's not a good candidate.

    Just pointing out before the hate comes in later. He shat on the green new day and has the same position on Obamacare as Biden which wants it expanded, instead of done away with.
    He's running in South Carolina, I wouldn't expect him to be a progressive.

    Either way, the BernieBros who aren't re ed should know that expanding Obamacare with a public option is something they should support because it's the next step on the path to single payer. Canada arrived at single payer the same way - it first passed an Obamacare-style healthcare plan and ultimately got to single payer. The more you shift the status quo on healthcare to the left the more inevitable single payer becomes, but that kind of reform doesn't happen overnight in Murica. This is the country that needed a civil war to abolish slavery.

    Same thing with the GND - Biden's plan is a good first step. Get it passed so the country sees there's a way to combat climate change while also creating jobs, and then expand it incrementally.

    I could see Harrison re-positioning himself as a more progressive Biden in 2024 to expand on his policies. You also know if he runs he gets that all-important Massa Clyburn endorsement

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    I'm still worried because we could see the effects develop over the next 2-3 weeks as Tillis launches attack ads over it, but yeah I'm less concerned after this poll (especially since it still shows him running ahead of Biden in NC which is where he was running before) and due to the fact there is just so much other dominating the news cycle right now. The average voter won't give a about PG-13 rated text messages (and that might even be a stretch) when said voter is waiting in line at the food bank.

    Btw - another dark horse race to keep your eye on - Espy vs. Hyde-Smith in Mississippi. Hyde-Smith isn't popular at all and Espy is starting to raise a lot of money.

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    That +4 I assume is within the margin of error...
    Just a touch outside of it according to realclearpolitics. 3.3 MoE

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    Not just me. Even the most left wing groups like Sunrise Movement like him. Even friends of mine who pay no attention to politics texted me saying they saw clips of the debate and thought Harrison crushed it - you can't watch that debate and not like the guy. It was almost his coming out party, much like Obama's 2004 DNC speech was.
    Graham looked out of touch and ... a bit sad, tbh. I think a good chunk of his soul got ripped out into the horcrux that is Trumps hair.

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    You're fawning over a moderate?

    He seems like a post prime Obama to me, which is still good, imo.
    Saw a really interesting stat about non-voting black people in states that Trump won narrowly, where the non-voters were more than the margin of victory, often by an order of magnitude.

    Dems pick another african-american to run for president in a few years... it will be fun to watch the "we're not racist, but... " brigade handle that.

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    https://www.axios.com/pennsylvania-p...m_content=1100

    Biden up 12 points with registered voters in Pennsylvania, 8 points higher than the previous Monmouth poll in Pennsylvania.

    Just focus on getting turnout for the next 30 days - the only way Trump wins now is with massive voter suppression.

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    https://www.axios.com/pennsylvania-p...m_content=1100

    Biden up 12 points with registered voters in Pennsylvania, 8 points higher than the previous Monmouth poll in Pennsylvania.

    Just focus on getting turnout for the next 30 days - the only way Trump wins now is with massive voter suppression.
    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...tion-forecast/

    83% chance now. "Debate" show + Trump getting stupid COVID = momentum for Biden, it would seem

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    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...tion-forecast/

    83% chance now. "Debate" show + Trump getting stupid COVID = momentum for Biden, it would seem
    The 83% is a polls plus forecast as well, meaning it allows for the possibility of polls tightening over the next 30 days. If the election were held today with polls where they are, Biden's odds would be 90+%.

    Like I said, start making campaign appearances in states that won't decide the election but have important senate races. Iowa, Montana, Georgia, etc. Just a few visits to those states would go a long way as Trump doesn't have the luxury of being able to visit them. Their voters aren't used to seeing presidents campaigning in their state. Not having to rely on Joe Manchin is the difference between Biden getting a lot done as president or getting nothing done.

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    Not a generic ballot poll.

    Also drawn over all battleground states as a whole. They don't vote as a block, so it can be generally indicative of the average, but electoral college is not allocated on that average.

    Clutch at some more straws. It's funny watching you try. It's almost as if you suck at critical thinking.
    Be interesting to see how that mix of states actually goes in a few weeks.

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    The 83% is a polls plus forecast as well, meaning it allows for the possibility of polls tightening over the next 30 days. If the election were held today with polls where they are, Biden's odds would be 90+%.

    Like I said, start making campaign appearances in states that won't decide the election but have important senate races. Iowa, Montana, Georgia, etc. Just a few visits to those states would go a long way as Trump doesn't have the luxury of being able to visit them. Their voters aren't used to seeing presidents campaigning in their state. Not having to rely on Joe Manchin is the difference between Biden getting a lot done as president or getting nothing done.
    Sort of a Sophies choice.

    If you don't win, and win convincingly, you risk an outright coup attempt.
    If you spend your time winning convincingly, you run the risk of having ing goddamned POS Mitch McConnel killing every bill that is sent to him.

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    Sort of a Sophies choice.

    If you don't win, and win convincingly, you risk an outright coup attempt.
    If you spend your time winning convincingly, you run the risk of having ing goddamned POS Mitch McConnel killing every bill that is sent to him.
    Montana kills two birds with one stone. They need to win the at-large house seat in Montana in the event the presidential election goes to a house vote. Iowa is another state where they need to defend house seats for the scenario where the house decides the race.

    I also don't think the two scenarios you're describing are mutually exclusive. Campaigning in Iowa creates another state where Trump needs to cheat to win, and it's a state that doesn't have mass population centers where it's easier to create long lines and disenfranchise voters.

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    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...tion-forecast/

    83% chance now. "Debate" show + Trump getting stupid COVID = momentum for Biden, it would seem
    Interesting thing about this graph is the single MOST likely outcome is Biden gets about 411 electoral college votes, with Trump getting about 120 or so.

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    Yahoo News/YouGov poll: Trump loses support among three key demographics after debate and COVID-19 diagnosis

    https://news.yahoo.com/yahoo-news-yo...153500657.html


    No Boris pity bump for Trump.

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    Be interesting to see how that mix of states actually goes in a few weeks.
    TSA is still waiting for that Boris Johnson/Bolsenaro like bump for Trump.

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    Stand back and stand by!
    Somebody should condemn RandomGuy

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    Somebody should condemn RandomGuy

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    Condemned

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    I'm not saying he's not a good candidate.

    Just pointing out before the hate comes in later. He shat on the green new day and has the same position on Obamacare as Biden which wants it expanded, instead of done away with.
    Hmmm tell me more..not gonna lie tho..getting aroused at what I am hearing so far

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    the wave will be the best part of 2020.

    trump made america great again by energizing people to vote against him.

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    the wave will be the best part of 2020.

    trump made america great again by energizing people to vote against him.
    I don't think people are ready for how fast he will become a complete laughing stock if this goes the way its looking right now

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