Here's another fact, though: LMA's decision came down between Phoenix and us and the only reason he picked us is because it was closer to his kid. It's disturbing that he had a hard time deciding between us and the Suns too. And look what happened with Morris last year. He looked for any excuse to bolt out of San Antonio the minute he saw there was another last minute option.
Yes, LMA was an anomaly. But even he wasn’t a max player. Guys like the Greek Freak and AD aren’t signing with SA. Ironically, I think they would be more likely to come to SA if we had a good young core with guys like wiseman and haliburton than guys like DDR and LMA.
No doubt the make the playoffs for pop route and going with veterans-gay,mills,ddr,lma didnt work. Both lma and ddr probably walk after this season so teams know the spurs leverage in trades is all but gone now
There is still hope a stupid team like the Knicks after tonight would still be interested in Derozan if they don't get Westbrook,Harden. Look for the Knicks to make a desperate move if the Nets get Harden.
Small markets usually don't land tier 1 free agents. Spurs are going to have to build their team through the draft and trades just like the Nuggets have. They can get a tier 2 free agent every now and then like the Nuggets did in Millsap to help with the development of the young guys when it comes to winning.
Agree. I was just saying it’s not the “only” way.
The fact that the Knicks might have interest in Westbrook is all you need to know for how stupid they are. Outside of them and Charlotte, nobody will touch him.
Demar is better today and cheaper, and will continue to be.
Theres nothing the Knicks can give me that I want though outside of #8. Go look at their roster and laugh.
Depression ain't getting traded tonight unfortunately. Maybe, a desperate playoff team might throw something for him mid-season.
I would say it's not about who is on there current roster granted Mitch Robinson looks to have potential to be a Deandre Jordan type of player. The Spurs could possible get 2 first round picks for Derozan from the Knicks. That's what I would be gunning for if I was the Spurs.
Agreed. Any 2 expiring contracts (especially because SA needs temporary bigs anyways) and 2 1sts.
However, it’s really hard to see SA and NY dealing with all the bad blood. Look at what NY did with Morris last year and they think SA tampered with Kristaps.
If Spurs could get two 1sts for Derozan, he'd already be gone. The reality is that no team will offer that for a fake star that can't defend or shoot threes. It's why even a less talented player like Robert Covington can net more assets than Derozan. He has skills that can be plugged into any roster while Derozan is stuck playing a style of basketball that's archaic.
There's some clear leaders in the pack (ie. players with better odds), but there's more than 3 of them - Lebron, Kwitter, Durant, AD, Curry, Giannis, Luka (l think), Harden (I don't think he belongs in this club, but there are others who think he does), Jokic (maybe), Bam (maybe). And maybe a few more rookie types - Ja Morant, Zion, ???
You could be right that no team will give up first round picks for Derozan but I still think there is a chance that can happen. Once Harden,Westbrook get traded I feel the dominoes will fall and there will be some team that will be desperate to add an alleged "star" to their roster. Spurs just have to wait it out.
Knicks sure do have a lot of filler. I’d want more back than just #8 plus filler (Portis/Ellington) for Demar. And I don’t think they give up a second first rounder. Maybe you do it for #23 too, or Dallas’ pick next year. The one thing they have is a lot of future draft capital.
Knicks are desperate to get into the playoffs. My brother is a hardcore Knicks fan and he told me he would take Derozan only because he feels Derozan could help lead them to an 8th seed. A lot of Knick fans feel that way about Derozan from what I have read on the message boards. I don't think the Knicks will trade their 8th pick for Derozan but the Spurs should definitely try to get their pick for next year and the Mavs pick along with a solid role player. It's very possible you can strike that type of deal with the Knicks.
I can see a team offering one 1st but not multiple. Perception is also important in this league. Jrue Holiday only has one all-star appearance on his resume compared to four for Derozan, but everybody thinks highly of him(just look at the way other players always talk him up). Derozan, in contrast, was made to be a laughing stock on Jimmy Kimmell, is constantly going on and on about his mental health issues in the media. There's a very negative perception of him around the league. GMs are definitely aware of this. If he was actually good, Spurs would have already extended him.
Shouldn't this thread be killed already after the Bulls rumor, tbh?
You make great points about perception being reality. Jrue getting traded for 3 first round picks to me was just mind boggling for the reasons you mentioned. I agree with what you said about Derozan. I do believe that winning does help in changing perceptions. If the Spurs manage to have a winning record around .500 are better with Derozan to start the season maybe it will be enough to sway some team on taking a chance on him. Even if nobody does he will be gone after this year which is still a win win in my eyes.
If Demar could continue the style of play we saw from him in the bubble, he could definitely be moved mid-season imo.
Bulls rumor was reportrd to be put out by GS to up the value of #2.
I think the spurs are playing hard ball with #11. Not wanting to include that in the deal. This rumor about the bulls is to put pressure on the spurs. But it’s all guess work.
Right..........
I was referring to the Bulls 4+ Wendall Carter Jr. for GSW's #2 pick trade. Adding in Looney would be about $600,000 dollars in difference salary between him and WJC.
When factoring in the differences in salary, GSW would actually save $1.1 million in that trade.
SI reporting that the Celtics and Warriors have talking about trades for #2.
Word out of SF is Thompson suffered a lower leg injury today. That would change Warriors approach if its significant.
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