Are Trump s leaving Fox to watch Newsmax or OANN per their leader?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

While the Republican establishment will try to thwart Trump and Trump-like candidates, they might not succeed. To go back to your question of the Miller/Bannon influence and spurraider's point about Trump getting 70M + votes, the problem is this: a Trumpist candidate who is able to attract disengaged voters without losing many traditional voters is more likely to succeed than a Romney/McCain type whose only path to victory is shepherding traditional R voters and converting moderate D voters.

Conservatives love to wax eloquent about fiscal prudence, morality and small government but they don't care about those principles in practice. Ultimately they will go with someone they think will teach their enemies a lesson. Look at the evangelicals who never stopped supporting arguably the worst human being to run for office

and my point is that no trumpest has ever been challenged by the GOP establishment for a complete election cycle. 4 years after super Tuesday they were legion saying that they never expected this to happen. That won't happen again.

as for the rest the GOP is obviously about power and control more so than anything else. Trump cannot be reliably bought and he has proved that over and over again so in a world if quid pro quo he is not a good candidate.

[spurraider21]

He still lost by five points to a mediocre candidate that really didn't try for about three months in the campaign.

I get what you're saying to an extent but the general is not indicative of the base and he was not contested in the primaries where you could actually see where the base was at.

At the same time there is a significant portion of the GOP particularly the donors that do not like Trump. If he does run in four years they're not going to wait until the July to start taking him seriously.

I'd be willing to bet that those powers that be are going to be actively working to undermine any potential bid in for years starting right now.

he ran away with the 2016 primaries despite vigorous opposition tbh. anybody who doesnt lick trump's boots is dubbed a RINO these days. trump is the republican party

[Spurs Homer]

He accomplished some things in the 1st 2 - 3 years.
1st president in ages to grow some balls and not put up with Mexicos bull porous Southern border then simply passing those Guats etc on up to the US. Ditto China. Some of Trumps trade stances evened the playing field out a bit. I wish he would full on sign up with Taiwan before the s try to Communize it like they are with Hong Kong.

When he pooh poohed the virus is when he lost me. Then he acted like a pussy and is still complicit while McConnel and Pelosi teamed up to the country out of any meaningful stimulous.

He sold out the usa to russia. When the entire USA intel community -which has been the gold standard of the world for a hundred years - unanimously concluded that russia cyber ed the usa to help trump

trump was asked in front of the world- and as he stood next to putin-

he was asked if he would slap putin down and denounce his attack

trump - with a straight face- took putins side and dishonored himself, his followers, his country

and YOU continued to support him.

that piece of traitor.

you too for standing by him even AFTER his betrayal.

YOU were/are complicit in this treason and when all the facts are uncovered- you will never wash the stain off.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

he ran away with the 2016 primaries despite vigorous opposition tbh. anybody who doesnt support trump is dubbed a Rino these days. trump is the republican party

Vigorous? At first Rubio and Bush were competing with each other and it wasn't until after super Tuesday that they really started taking him seriously.

that was when all the questions about the poll started coming in because none of the polls took him seriously up to that point either.

I remember Priebus after super Tuesday basically saying that Trump's success took them completely by surprise

Heck even Trump himself didn't take his potential to win seriously according to Woodward's work

[Spurminator]

He'll pretend he's running because there's money to be made by doing so, but I don't see him going through with it. He hates losing too much to risk it.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Here in about a month Trump is going to lose the bully pulpit. he is no longer going to be the president and in a position to rec careers from the White House. He is no longer going to be able to have every tweet be hung on by the media as it's been for the last 4 years.

The actual powers that be that are within the GOP IE the donors are going to reassert control. I could be wrong but at the same time I've seen it happen over and over and over and over again.

[Millennial_Messiah]

what makes you think trump isnt running 2024?

Oh yeah, he'll run alright... in the primaries

On super tuesday 2024 he'll try to make a bloody case about how there was fraud in the primaries and everyone will laugh at him and move on

[baseline bum]

He still lost by five points to a mediocre candidate that really didn't try for about three months in the campaign.

I get what you're saying to an extent but the general is not indicative of the base and he was not contested in the primaries where you could actually see where the base was at.

At the same time there is a significant portion of the GOP particularly the donors that do not like Trump. If he does run in four years they're not going to wait until the July to start taking him seriously.

I'd be willing to bet that those powers that be are going to be actively working to undermine any potential bid in for years starting right now.

Which is why I anticipate he's going to be campaigning and holding rallies starting January 20th. GOP establishment might not like him but he controls their voters and they know he wouldn't give a second thought to running third party in 2024 thus decimating the GOP if they prevent him from the nomination.

[Warlord23]

Here in about a month Trump is going to lose the bully pulpit. he is no longer going to be the president and in a position to rec careers from the White House. He is no longer going to be able to have every tweet be hung on by the media as it's been for the last 4 years.

The actual powers that be that are within the GOP IE the donors are going to reassert control. I could be wrong but at the same time I've seen it happen over and over and over and over again.

If I'm the GOP establishment/donor class, 2020 has taught me that the ideal 2024 candidate is one who can continue Trump's policy messaging without behaving like a crass idiot. That means talk about populist, nativist MAGA stuff and forget about the traditional low-tax, small-government playbook. Trump's ability to persuade previously disengaged non-college-educated voters to turn out in droves has meant that OH and IA are now reliably red. His moronic tendencies cost him AZ and GA, but they can be recovered by someone more polished.

If they pick a candidate who can continue speaking to Trump voters without offending others, they will coast to victory in 2024

[baseline bum]

If I'm the GOP establishment/donor class, 2020 has taught me that the ideal 2024 candidate is one who can continue Trump's policy messaging without behaving like a crass idiot. That means talk about populist, nativist MAGA stuff and forget about the traditional low-tax, small-government playbook. Trump's ability to persuade previously disengaged non-college-educated voters to turn out in droves has meant that OH and IA are now reliably red. His moronic tendencies cost him AZ and GA, but they can be recovered by someone more polished.

If they pick a candidate who can continue speaking to Trump voters without offending others, they will coast to victory in 2024

They need a cult of personality. Not sure who can be such a convincing deplorable as Trump.

[FrostKing]

They need a cult of personality. Not sure who can be such a convincing deplorable as Trump.

You are mixing up teams. This one is anti-establishment. Your team has cult of personality.

[Warlord23]

They need a cult of personality. Not sure who can be such a convincing deplorable as Trump.

That's the key question. They need someone who can act like Trump without being monumentally stupid or narcissistic.

[Bogie]

You are mixing up teams. This one is anti-establishment. Your team has cult of personality.

jesus you’re ing stupid, you lying racist incel bag

[Warlord23]

You are mixing up teams. This one is anti-establishment. Your team has cult of personality.

Trump sold himself as an anti-establishment guy. But his biggest achievements were a tax cut and appointing SCOTUS judges. He delivered nothing on the wall, on trade, on replacing Obamacare, on cutting drug prices.

What he ultimately achieved could have been done by a Jeb Bush, and with maybe ~100k fewer Covid deaths

[Bogie]

That's the key question. They need someone who can act like Trump without being monumentally stupid or narcissistic.

that’s Trump s pull. He lies like you and I breathe. He will say anything to anybody at anytime. He is not laden with a conscience or any empathy.

he will stay as a force and the face of the Republican Party for as long as he wants to.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If I'm the GOP establishment/donor class, 2020 has taught me that the ideal 2024 candidate is one who can continue Trump's policy messaging without behaving like a crass idiot. That means talk about populist, nativist MAGA stuff and forget about the traditional low-tax, small-government playbook. Trump's ability to persuade previously disengaged non-college-educated voters to turn out in droves has meant that OH and IA are now reliably red. His moronic tendencies cost him AZ and GA, but they can be recovered by someone more polished.

If they pick a candidate who can continue speaking to Trump voters without offending others, they will coast to victory in 2024

Sure. But that still leaves Trump as persona non grata

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Which is why I anticipate he's going to be campaigning and holding rallies starting January 20th. GOP establishment might not like him but he controls their voters and they know he wouldn't give a second thought to running third party in 2024 thus decimating the GOP if they prevent him from the nomination.

I look forward to the bloodbath

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You are mixing up teams. This one is anti-establishment. Your team has cult of personality.

Are you trying to be ironic? Trump? Ring a bell?

[boutons_deux]

Trash exposed Repugs as the party of one-party authoritarianism, to add to their appeals to racism, White Male Suprema city, white male grievance iden y, misogyny, continued imperial militarism, xenophobia

One-party authoritarianism, as long as it's the oligarchy's party, is preferred by the Capitalist oligarchy which is totally anti-democratic, as is the Cons ution.

The oligarchy does not control the House (yet) nor the WH, but they control the scorched-earth obstructionist Senate which will block Dem House (100s of Dem bills will not even be taken up), and they dominate SCOTUS 6-3 and most of the Federal judiciary.

Repugs see Trash pulling 74M voters and are scared to lose them, will pander to them with "Trumpism" to keep the Senate, take back the House, and totally nullify Biden.

When the Repugs control Senate, House, White House and SCOTUS, GAMEOVER.

Until then McConnell will block everything from Pelosi, as he has done 400+ times since 2019.

America is ed and un able.

[FrostKing]

Trash exposed Repugs as the party of one-party authoritarianism, to add to their appeals to racism, White Male Suprema city, white male grievance iden y, misogyny, continued imperial militarism, xenophobia

One-party authoritarianism, as long as it's the oligarchy's party, is preferred by the Capitalist oligarchy which is totally anti-democratic, as is the Cons ution.

The oligarchy does not control the House (yet) nor the WH, but they control the scorched-earth obstructionist Senate which will block Dem House (100s of Dem bills will not even be taken up), and they dominate SCOTUS 6-3 and most of the Federal judiciary.

Repugs see Trash pulling 74M voters and are scared to lose them, will pander to them with "Trumpism" to keep the Senate, take back the House, and totally nullify Biden.

When the Repugs control Senate, House, White House and SCOTUS, GAMEOVER.

Until then McConnell will block everything from Pelosi, as he has done 400+ times since 2019.

America is ed and un able.

capitalizing White Male

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Trash exposed Repugs as the party of one-party authoritarianism, to add to their appeals to racism, White Male Suprema city, white male grievance iden y, misogyny, continued imperial militarism, xenophobia

One-party authoritarianism, as long as it's the oligarchy's party, is preferred by the Capitalist oligarchy which is totally anti-democratic, as is the Cons ution.

The oligarchy does not control the House (yet) nor the WH, but they control the scorched-earth obstructionist Senate which will block Dem House (100s of Dem bills will not even be taken up), and they dominate SCOTUS 6-3 and most of the Federal judiciary.

Repugs see Trash pulling 74M voters and are scared to lose them, will pander to them with "Trumpism" to keep the Senate, take back the House, and totally nullify Biden.

When the Repugs control Senate, House, White House and SCOTUS, GAMEOVER.

Until then McConnell will block everything from Pelosi, as he has done 400+ times since 2019.

America is ed and un able.

The oligarchy paid for pelosi Schumer Reid feinstein and all of the rest of the Democratic leadership with few exceptions.

[JPB]

Here in about a month Trump is going to lose the bully pulpit. he is no longer going to be the president and in a position to rec careers from the White House. He is no longer going to be able to have every tweet be hung on by the media as it's been for the last 4 years.

The actual powers that be that are within the GOP IE the donors are going to reassert control. I could be wrong but at the same time I've seen it happen over and over and over and over again.

This has basically been my position for weeks now. Trump is done asa he's leaving the WH... Much less power, attention and visibilty for someone who already lost this election by 7M+ votes against sleepy Joe. He'll keep his hardcore fanbase but will become history for eveybody else, starting by his GOP fellas who won't miss to bury him. He took everyone by surprise 4 years ago but woldn't be able to duplicate it, specially how extreme and crazy he has become. And he knows it. That's before even mentioning potential legal trouble.

[Winehole23]

[Thread]

This has basically been my position for weeks now. Trump is done asa he's leaving the WH... Much less power, attention and visibilty for someone who already lost this election by 7M+ votes against sleepy Joe. He'll keep his hardcore fanbase but will become history for eveybody else, starting by his GOP fellas who won't miss to bury him. He took everyone by surprise 4 years ago but woldn't be able to duplicate it, specially how extreme and crazy he has become. And he knows it. That's before even mentioning potential legal trouble.

JPB totally misjudged that one.

tee, hee.

[Winehole23]